I hate the fact that people say the gondorians didn't fight hard in this scene, heres some simple facts: they were greatly outnumbered, extremely tired, many of their men had already been killed from earlier fights, they had very low morale due to those reasons, but they kept fighting and lasted till dawn, which i think was a victory for them because of those conditions, and faramir made the right choices on lettting them retreat!
tired, exhausted, thier armour no doubt stank, they wouldn't have had a good night's sleep in weeks and the orks caught them almost completely by supprise from the direction they weren't watching.
the boats were just a distraction, so the bridge could be cokpleted and the orcs, numbering several timed the gondorian several times swarmed in.
i think they did a fantastic job considering the situation and their conditions to hold out untll dawn.
It bugs me how people bash faramir for being a bad captain or the lesser brother between boromir and him, faramir made the best decision not only for his men in Osgiliath, but for frodo as well. As we know, boromir is taken by the ring and tries to betray frodo, faramir makes the right decision by letting him go. So, indirectly, we can thank faramir, (and several other minor characters) for saving middle earth, not just frodo
It says in this battle there are 10,000 morannon and 5,000 morgul orcs leaded by gothmog a morannon orc commander. and a morgul orc commander which says gets killed. i think the morannon orcs are the ones with the spiked black armor and the morgul orcs are smaller and wear the chainmail. but the gondorians were so outnumbered how they protected osgiliath through the night i do not know.
@CRAZEDVILLAIN they can but they were exhausted, caught by suprise, and out numbered about 30 to 1. Yet they still managed to kill about half the orcs
the gondorians were heavely outnumbered, since Sauron attacked for real this time. there was simply no chance to win for gondor. as for the blabla about faramir being a bad captain, how wrong. sure boromir would stay, and in the end they would have all died. Faramir made the best choice, and paid for it with his life and ppl on youtube calling him a bad captain. boromir was a better warrior, but faramir is definately more cunning and wise.
@DiscusvissenRocken I don't know about who was the better captain. I like both of them, I think in a fair battle Boromir would be the better captain, Faramir was far more useful in guerrilla warefare and not as much of a shining beacon of moral to his people. But I am really replying because I want to know what you meant with 'he paid for it with his life' Faramir never died, he was only wounded. (Or someone correct me?)
@SapareStoll he survived by mere luck: Denethor sent them on a suicide mission, so in some extent Faramir pays for his descision with his life. fortunately he survives tho, but by mere luck ( and because he was a plot character ofc)
@DiscusvissenRocken I know, was just making sure that was understood. I don't recall if the non extent version of the movie mentioned him not dying.(I do know they did not have the part were he falls in love with Eowyn(was it?) But I just recalled that he never died in the books.
And I know what you meant, he was awesome for being ready to die.(In a way, and in some way kinda stupid..)
this scene does explain while they are so unprepared, but i do think this movie jipped gondor. in the book the orcs overpowered gondor through having such a much larger army and pusshing the gondorim back while taking massive casualties. in the movie its just scene after scene of the gondor guys being slaughtered with sad music to show how evil the orcs are or something. WHAT THE FUCK, i wanna see the gondor guys actualy KILL the orcs.
This movie always reminds me of what is going on in our present situation on earth. At 5:14, where the orc says, "the age of men is over, the time of the orc has come" is like the non-whites saying "the age of whites rule is over, the time of non-whites has come"
Is it just me who thinks Gandalf was a bit of a let down here? I mean he's supposed to be a wizard, so he puts a torch on the Nazgul and makes them fly away?! Come on dude, where's the fucking chain lightning??!
@NickSully94 well he doesnt need to shoot lightning they are servants of darkness so light them y do u think sauron sent a cloud over his army they couldnt stand sun light
Madril. Madril was second in command and he was an experienced Ranger.
Madril, the old ranger, Madril, who has more experience than any other Ranger together, even more then Faramir. Hail him. Show him respect. R.I.P Madril, Second in command of the rangers.
@MushroomCastle123 Yes i found it again during the sarlacc pit scene from Star Wars Return of the Jedi there a part when luke slashes a guy with his lightsaber and when the guy falls into the pit he screams this exact same scream lmao. I was going to put the link in here but it wouldnt let me just go watch that scene.
@sgjohnson49 Funny thing about chokepoints is that they can also make you loose the battle. For example in Osgiliath Faramir had about at least five chokepints he could have used , however each chokepoint would have taken up 1/5 of his army and seeing he has 500 men , he would have had to spread out his army thinly to cover each chokepoint with enough men.
@sgjohnson49 Well Faramirs strategy was quite well you see the orcs could have only attacked from 2 places , the river or the north. Seeing as how they didnt attck from the north and only from the river Faramir quickly assembled 300 men to gather with him to hold the orcs at the river(which was a chokepoint).Now he left 200 men back for reinforcements.
@sgjohnson49 Faramirs strategy was to have his men ambush the orcs when they came into Osgiliath followed by a counterattack forcing the orcs to make no head way into Osgiliath then have the 200 remaining soldiers to come and push the orcs out .However the orcs ended up entering Osgiliath from a different way and forced the 200 sodliers to fight them and not link up with their brethren at the river .Then when the Gondorians were tired from the heavy fighting they lost quickly.
They did a good job holding off the city for that long. They only had 500 men to defend a ruin city, and most of the battles were fought one vs one. yeah the gondorians one these one vs one battles but there were just so many orcs that once you killed an orc, one would take its place. Good example would be at 3:31 where that guy killed one orc, but didnt have 2 seconds to catch his breath, another orc took the fallen orcs place and eventually the orcs will win with the numbers they had.
@kaptinfancy 500 soldiers defending Osgiliath? MMMM.....Gondor barely has any troops left to defend its lands anymore I wonder how many men they had at Minas Tirith?
@kaptinfancy What was in the book but NOT in the movie was that the first wall of Minas Tirith was virtually indestructable and that the Orcs never entered the city.
Plus in the movie it looks as if the Orcs bombarded the city for fun.If you see the boulders they were throwing with that pace the city would have been destroyed in half an hour.
@Tsagia Yeah usually it would have taken multiple boulder hits to destroy a section of Minas Tirith and yet P.J makes it look as if it only takes one hit.You wanna know whats really odd is that the comment you said about the boulder thing was really interesting,because yeah it would have taken the orcs only around like 5 hours to destroy Minas Tirith using the catapults and yet the fight lasted for around 12 hours?The orcs must have divided time for each bomabardment.
@BlowShitUp12 Yeah I mean if you look at some of the shots in the movie the rocks and boulders destroy huge areas of the city like buildings and towers as if they're LEGO bricks.Plus the army shown in the movie was ridiculously big.Looking at aeral views of the siege the army blocks are even bigger than the entire city!Lol!Orcs playing scrabble and backgammon in their free time going "It's so nice Peter Jackson made the first wall out of carton or else we'd never get in that bloody city".
@Tsagia Yeah I think it was pretty stupid making Minas Tirith so freaking weak , I mean it was a city very very sturdy and yet P.J makes it looks like its been built out of legos.As for the soldiers I know that they were extremely outnumbered but I mean Gondorians fought very good in the book,although seeing as how its a movie P.J probably did all those to show the power of the orc because they are the bad guys and we prefer them over the good guys.
@Ereinion3019 You would have to understand the diff. between the Gondorian armour from the Second Age to Third Age year 2050 and the Gondorian armour from Third Age 2050 all the way to the end of the War of The Ring.Only by learning what both armours were capable then could you understand why the orcs had little trouble of piercing that armour.As for the orc arrows, I hope you understand that they are known as the"Black arrows" and are deadly at close range, like the orc firing it in here.
@MultiKillerBot your right. the armor of the men of the second age was of Numeron design and plus they had years to prepare for the battle against Sauron. that armor was incredible strong because of the craftman ship of the Numenors and Elves. the armor now is crappy. the orcs prepared for war and Gondor didn't really because it was an ailing kingdom.
@DBZ1253 Yeah, plus this type of armour is suppose to represent ceremonial purposes instead of strict warfare , unlike the Second Age shields and armour which representated strict warfare(that type actually carried into the Third Age but changed to this one due to Gondor's decline), so basically not only are the soldiers of Gondor during the War of the Ring not nearly par to par with their earlier Third Age or Second Age counterparts but their armour is very weak as well.
@Ereinion3019 I have read the Return of the King book and only the battle of the Black Gate were they doing extremely well against the orcs.The battle of Osgiliath was barely mentioned in the book so I dont know how you got the impression that they did much better ,as for the battle of Minas Tirith, it was mostly archers and the Knights of Dol Amroth that fought the best, the regular Gondorian infantry in the book did as good as they did in the movie.
@rayisguapo even if you had a horse you are fucked :P you must go back to osgiliath anyway :P so if you was in osgiliath you died with a exeption of faramir :P
There is nothing wrong with this scene.The Gondorians are not prepaired for battle and many of them are simple soldiers.On the contrary these orcs are morannon orcs wich are probably the strongest race of orcs together with Uruk-Hai.Where the gondorians have their strong armor the orcs have a greater physical strength .It is true that in the book the soldiers of gondor defend themselves better than in this scene,but their asses are kicked in the same way. long Live Mordor and the orcs.
@Cesare218 Also in the book it says what the gondorians did as an army not individually from a soldier point of view so Peter Jackson just basically showed the fights from one on one.Also Morannon orcs had years to train whereas the Gondorians most of them only had a few weeks of training due to the fact their commanders needed many soldiers to defend their falling kingdom.
I don't know if it's just me, but I really think people are misunderstanding the element of surprise; if you pay attention, you'll know that it was a shock to Fararamir that they weren't attacking from the North. So, the way I look at is that he thought they would attack from the North and probably had his archers stationed there, but then he found out too late so he couldn't have used his archers.
@blightscrib There armour isnt of the Numenorean version anymore their armour is a one layer strip of steel used for ceremonial purposes instead of actual warfare .
Gondorian Soldiers fought hard, but they were exhausted, many were walking wounded. There was also knowledge that their greatest commander (Boromir) was dead and the fact the Orcs have the numbers, and the Wraiths on their side doesn't help.
How would you feel if you had to fight hideous, feral monsters with all of that, while at constant risk of being picked up and thrown aside by a flying beast?
If anything, I'd say they fought well, considering they held the enemy back for days.
I noticed how in the book, the soldiers of Gondor are much more effective and kickass. In the movie, virtually every time they're featured they're getting slaughtered.
@Kosta97379 Um not really , in the book this battle was only mentioned briefly , so you didnt know the what really happened , at minas tirith the Gondorians get 2800 backup from the provinces , in the movie they didnt so they were stuck with approximately 2000 men ,plus their kingdom was in decline .
@Kosta97379, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. I thought i was the only one thinking that because in alot of scense with gondor they get their ass kicked bad. Hell even Rohan put up a better fight and alot of their army was kids and old guys.
@destructionking23 Actaully he is wrong , because in the book all it said was how Gondor did as an army not individaully from a soldiers perspective of fighting , so they still got owned the same.Are you kidding me ? Rohan put up a good fight ? It was mostly the elves , and the three Hunters doing 90%percent of the work.Also you are confusing yourself with the regular gondor units and the knights of Dol Amroth. Read the book again and you will find your errors.
@destructionking23 Gondor was outnumbered 10 to 1 . Faramir had 500 men and 200 of those men were rangers(which should only be used for ambushes or recon missions, Not defending ruined cities.Also the fight lasted for 6 hours and most Gondorians didnt get rest nor did they finish their dinners.Another thing was that P.J showed us the beginning and last part of the battle not the Middle part so Gondor atually did do good but we didnt see it cuz P.J had a lot of scenes to do.
@MultiKillerBot, ok, look: my answer isnt intended on being taken seriously. Im just saying that in the movie gondor got their ass kicked in a lot of scenes. The whole outnumbered and and tired or whatever i dont care. My answer wasnt supposed to be serious, it is just a joking one.
@Kosta97379 Probably because they couldn't afford to film long scenes where the soldiers of Gondor kicked ass for a while, then were finally routed, multiple times. That gets expensive. Much easier to have them all get slaughtered until the heroes show up.
@CRAZEDVILLAIN yeah, but then look at the other pointless scenes in the movie...they showed so much dumb crap that I personally didn't care about, i dont know bout every1 else but to me the parts with frodo and sam were lame but important so i get y they put those in but in general id rather not have frodo and sam in there that much..
@Kosta97379 I thought they were doing a good job when the Orcs first arrived, if you notice its daylight when they start to get slaughtered. There are reasons for this, there are about 500,000 Orcs coming to minas tirith. With maybe 600 Soldiers/Rangers. After maybe 10 hours fighting they'd be exhausted wouldn't they? Also Gothmog had no idea what the defence would be like, there could be hundreds of archers so he sent the weak orcs in. You notice at 3:40 he begins to send the tough orcs in.
@Kosta97379 The exact same applies for when the orcs siege on minas tirith, they're holding good towards the start and at the courtyard, when they start to get pushed up levels however, they start to lose.
@Kosta97379 Nonsense, orcs are vicious cratures willing to fight and wage war just "for fun". So they are naturally better at combat than ordinary man. Also, most warriors attacking Minas Tirith were uruks not orcs.
Love 5;59...its fukin beautiful!! sends shivers up me neck! jst like the piercing white light....that bitta music pierces ur heart like....ITS SOOOOO EMOTIONAL!!!! :P
i would have gone all kind of ape shit on them! and the reasons i think that the orcs one was their over whellming numbers, better wepons, the element of surpirse and fear, and the men where stabbinh the orcs when they should have swung their swords and taken of their heads
This is the best battle in the trilogy in my opinion, I got really sick of the "watch the mighty heros up their kill-count" of the others...this feels like a dirty, nasty grim bloodbath against a ferocious foe...surely its more dramatically satisfying when the enemy is strong? good guys in LOTR had it too easy, unkillable heroes, unstoppable ents, ghost armies that cant be defeated, reincarnating gandalfs...just never remotely felt they were in any danger. At all.
Yeah man, what the bad strategist was Faramir, so they knew already that the Orcs were more than them and they let the orcs land so Gondorian forces could ambush them? wtf? they needed to shoot fire arrows to the boats so they would have killed a good number of Orcs before they land and sink their boats, also they had to use ballistics, oil all the shore of the river and light it when they orcs were landing on there...jeezzz!!!
1. Faramir only knew the orcs were there when that one guy died , so he wouldnt have had time to make much preperations .
2.Ballistas, oil and fire arows? who said they had those? and as for fire arrows um it would have taken them 10 minuts to get the archers into position, light thier arrows and fire by that time orcs would have landed .
@MultiKillerBot well buddy, that was the middle earth right? so they were suppose to have the warfare of the middle ages, right? soit was imposible to bring all those weapons at there? orcs had better weapons and strategists than gondor, in the 2 towers orcs used ballistics, bows, fire arrows and bombs!!! come on man!! even you can build fire arrows in your home! Faramir sucks!!
@Joakinsmat Well dude it doesnt work like that ! Even if he does get the fire arrows , he would have to get his men into position which would have taken time like 2 minutes , then the orcs would have used the nazgul to take them all out . I like to see you defend the ruins then with only 500 men .
@Joakinsmat Oh and um this is a movie suppose to represent real life . I mean in real life people normally used regular arrows most of the times and they prob. would have lost defending ruins if for 3 reasons
-Number deficiency
-Fatigued from fighting
-Night time battle It would have been easier in the day .
@Joakinsmat Also please note that osgiliath was in ruins and did not have sufficient numbers ,and the archers wouldnt have found good cover cuz the buildings are falling apart . Plus most of their men or half were rangers no way to defend a city in ruins .
@tysontwenty He was hit two times , one on his arm and one at the side of his head. You wouldnt be able to function right when the side of your head is hit. The armour that he has is thin layer sheet of steel so thats why.Also most of the orcs were Morannon orcs and the Gondorians were just simple soldiers instead of Numenoreans.
@tysontwenty Well the orc hit the arm of the Gondorian so he wouldnt be able to strike back , then he hit the head making the Gondorian dizzy. He wouldnt die from these blows depending on how hard the impact to the head was. However the orc probably still kept beating him though, so he would have died . Also remeber getting hit on your head is no laughing matter .
I HATE the way this scene was done! It just makes the soldiers of Gondor look like absolute pushovers! In the books, it was far less one- sided mano-a-mano, just despite how many hundred orcs were slain there were always more to replace them. I can forgive them leaving out the Rammas Echor, Cair Andros and the Causeway forts, but the films do make the average Gondorian look rather rubbish, which isn't fair to them. I'd forgotten that Gondorian whose face gets stood on - always saddens me deeply.
@pker8
Because Faramir is also CHuck Norri's apprentice,but for that he has another form.XD
TheSephiroth5 1 month ago
I hate the fact that people say the gondorians didn't fight hard in this scene, heres some simple facts: they were greatly outnumbered, extremely tired, many of their men had already been killed from earlier fights, they had very low morale due to those reasons, but they kept fighting and lasted till dawn, which i think was a victory for them because of those conditions, and faramir made the right choices on lettting them retreat!
pker8 4 months ago
the gondor triips were
tired, exhausted, thier armour no doubt stank, they wouldn't have had a good night's sleep in weeks and the orks caught them almost completely by supprise from the direction they weren't watching.
the boats were just a distraction, so the bridge could be cokpleted and the orcs, numbering several timed the gondorian several times swarmed in.
i think they did a fantastic job considering the situation and their conditions to hold out untll dawn.
Mikeybetts 4 months ago
It bugs me how people bash faramir for being a bad captain or the lesser brother between boromir and him, faramir made the best decision not only for his men in Osgiliath, but for frodo as well. As we know, boromir is taken by the ring and tries to betray frodo, faramir makes the right decision by letting him go. So, indirectly, we can thank faramir, (and several other minor characters) for saving middle earth, not just frodo
majormcjansen 6 months ago
It says in this battle there are 10,000 morannon and 5,000 morgul orcs leaded by gothmog a morannon orc commander. and a morgul orc commander which says gets killed. i think the morannon orcs are the ones with the spiked black armor and the morgul orcs are smaller and wear the chainmail. but the gondorians were so outnumbered how they protected osgiliath through the night i do not know.
2010marioluigi 6 months ago
@Villeroi8 He was like "See? There's a weak spot! Hit me!"
Th3Juic3 6 months ago
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2:56 that orc jumped right into it lol.
Villeroi8 6 months ago
i like it
pratamamifta5 7 months ago
Dman gondorians were slaughtered
deeeEeEEEeEee33eem 7 months ago
These guys had been fighting for years in the books, I think. The rangers have, at least. Why can't they swing a sword?
CRAZEDVILLAIN 7 months ago
@CRAZEDVILLAIN they can but they were exhausted, caught by suprise, and out numbered about 30 to 1. Yet they still managed to kill about half the orcs
GoFlamesGo100 7 months ago
5:04 he got so badly owned
sleepyleee 7 months ago
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sleepyleee 7 months ago
the gondorians were heavely outnumbered, since Sauron attacked for real this time. there was simply no chance to win for gondor. as for the blabla about faramir being a bad captain, how wrong. sure boromir would stay, and in the end they would have all died. Faramir made the best choice, and paid for it with his life and ppl on youtube calling him a bad captain. boromir was a better warrior, but faramir is definately more cunning and wise.
DiscusvissenRocken 7 months ago
@DiscusvissenRocken I don't know about who was the better captain. I like both of them, I think in a fair battle Boromir would be the better captain, Faramir was far more useful in guerrilla warefare and not as much of a shining beacon of moral to his people. But I am really replying because I want to know what you meant with 'he paid for it with his life' Faramir never died, he was only wounded. (Or someone correct me?)
SapareStoll 6 months ago
@SapareStoll he survived by mere luck: Denethor sent them on a suicide mission, so in some extent Faramir pays for his descision with his life. fortunately he survives tho, but by mere luck ( and because he was a plot character ofc)
DiscusvissenRocken 6 months ago
@DiscusvissenRocken I know, was just making sure that was understood. I don't recall if the non extent version of the movie mentioned him not dying.(I do know they did not have the part were he falls in love with Eowyn(was it?) But I just recalled that he never died in the books.
And I know what you meant, he was awesome for being ready to die.(In a way, and in some way kinda stupid..)
SapareStoll 6 months ago
6:25 perfect timing
myballisticbeetz123 7 months ago
@myballisticbeetz123 Haha!!
kennethmckaran24 7 months ago
this scene does explain while they are so unprepared, but i do think this movie jipped gondor. in the book the orcs overpowered gondor through having such a much larger army and pusshing the gondorim back while taking massive casualties. in the movie its just scene after scene of the gondor guys being slaughtered with sad music to show how evil the orcs are or something. WHAT THE FUCK, i wanna see the gondor guys actualy KILL the orcs.
KingOCleveland 7 months ago
how do the fucking retards not see this coming
KingOCleveland 7 months ago
Gandalf is fucking badass.
viviyep 7 months ago
at 3:43 all i hav to say to that soldier is u just got tackled and u lost the football game for ur team and at 3:50 i hav to say i fell sorry for him
TheZOMBIEKILLER777 8 months ago
If they had opened the gate like 2 seconds later, the riders would have crashed right into the gate :P
Lundiez 8 months ago
@McChang117 Saurmans actor was lol
SunWukong4 9 months ago
This movie always reminds me of what is going on in our present situation on earth. At 5:14, where the orc says, "the age of men is over, the time of the orc has come" is like the non-whites saying "the age of whites rule is over, the time of non-whites has come"
shotty2222 10 months ago 4
@shotty2222 So uh, your comparing minorities to the enemies of all life?
MrFloppyFish 6 months ago
Lord of the Rings is freaking awesome.
shotty2222 10 months ago
Damn, those orcs are sneaky.
Noogai45 10 months ago
Is it just me who thinks Gandalf was a bit of a let down here? I mean he's supposed to be a wizard, so he puts a torch on the Nazgul and makes them fly away?! Come on dude, where's the fucking chain lightning??!
NickSully94 10 months ago
@NickSully94 well he doesnt need to shoot lightning they are servants of darkness so light them y do u think sauron sent a cloud over his army they couldnt stand sun light
TheZOMBIEKILLER777 8 months ago
the duds that fall of there horses must be like fuck this shit i am not walking all the way back to minas tirith!
sion963 10 months ago
the dud that fall of there horses must be like fuck this shit i am not walking all the way back to minas tirith!
sion963 10 months ago
Madril. Madril was second in command and he was an experienced Ranger.
Madril, the old ranger, Madril, who has more experience than any other Ranger together, even more then Faramir. Hail him. Show him respect. R.I.P Madril, Second in command of the rangers.
The84eRegiment 10 months ago
Haha the last Orc after that volley of arrows at 4:00 was like, "Hey guys whats going on here?, OH SHI-"
CplNichols 11 months ago 8
At 3:37 its not and orc it a goat in disguise!
ThePimpycat 11 months ago
kitty
TheStyx44 11 months ago
NAZGUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLL
YseraFatbeard 11 months ago
a small band of men holding osgiliath against thousands and thousands of orcs, attacking from the river and the land.
just. so. fuckin. AWESOME.
ivaflimkien 11 months ago
5:06 pwned
Faralakaboom 1 year ago
Osgiliath = Rome
Katuiros 1 year ago
6:00 so fucking epic. <3 I love that scene. <3<3
sirhcfile 1 year ago
3:51 sad
legokid918 1 year ago
4:15-4:18 THE GUY SAYS NAZGUL. BUT THEY BLOCK OUT THE SOUND IN EVERY FUCKING MOVIE WTF?
emiliskool 1 year ago
The Gondor soldiers were just completely overwhelmed though
assassainscreed 1 year ago
you notice the scream@ 5:48 was used in the Battle of the Hornburg in the Two Towers? :P
MushroomCastle123 1 year ago
@MushroomCastle123 That scream is FAMOUS as a recycled sound listen to screams in the OLD Star Wars movies and you will even hear it.
rossog 1 year ago
@rossog OMG are you serious?! Wow.
MushroomCastle123 1 year ago
@MushroomCastle123 Yes i found it again during the sarlacc pit scene from Star Wars Return of the Jedi there a part when luke slashes a guy with his lightsaber and when the guy falls into the pit he screams this exact same scream lmao. I was going to put the link in here but it wouldnt let me just go watch that scene.
rossog 1 year ago
@MushroomCastle123
That's the famous wilhelm scream ^^
B0zz3 11 months ago
Ha, Gondor music plays as they attack for about one second, then they get slaughtered...
VesrynK45 1 year ago 14
@VesrynK45 I think 6:25 was definitely the Better time to play the Gondor Music.
BumbleBrook 9 months ago
@VesrynK45 Ha? This is one of the saddest parts of the whole film! : (
HopeUnquenchable 7 months ago
Auts 0:39 - 0:43
MrNoobFromSpace 1 year ago
@MrNoobFromSpace Sorry i ment 3:39 - 3:43
MrNoobFromSpace 1 year ago
How and When the orcs got East Osgiliath ???
yankirules 1 year ago
@yankirules extended scene
salisburyschool 1 year ago
3:55 FARAMIR !
yankirules 1 year ago 2
They should of sent like a hobbit army to osgiliath to help defend....those little bastards just want to eat
kaptinfancy 1 year ago
ITS THE WHITE RIDER!!!
maxie15o9 1 year ago
Why did faramir wait for the orks to be well inside the city before attacking insead of making use of the chokepoints
sgjohnson49 1 year ago
@sgjohnson49 Funny thing about chokepoints is that they can also make you loose the battle. For example in Osgiliath Faramir had about at least five chokepints he could have used , however each chokepoint would have taken up 1/5 of his army and seeing he has 500 men , he would have had to spread out his army thinly to cover each chokepoint with enough men.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@sgjohnson49 Well Faramirs strategy was quite well you see the orcs could have only attacked from 2 places , the river or the north. Seeing as how they didnt attck from the north and only from the river Faramir quickly assembled 300 men to gather with him to hold the orcs at the river(which was a chokepoint).Now he left 200 men back for reinforcements.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@sgjohnson49 Faramirs strategy was to have his men ambush the orcs when they came into Osgiliath followed by a counterattack forcing the orcs to make no head way into Osgiliath then have the 200 remaining soldiers to come and push the orcs out .However the orcs ended up entering Osgiliath from a different way and forced the 200 sodliers to fight them and not link up with their brethren at the river .Then when the Gondorians were tired from the heavy fighting they lost quickly.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
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"whys that gay music gotta ruin the epicness of gandalfs beam of light :("
Lol, only a big idiot would call this score "gay", the fact that you use the word "gay" can only mean that you are a true douchebag.
mitrooper 1 year ago
This is how melee battles should be, no stupid slow motion scenes full of fake CG blood like in that overrated crap called 300.
mitrooper 1 year ago 2
soldiers of gondor seem like a bunch of fat cowards in the movie.thats irritating.
DENO393 1 year ago
i love how they went from thousands of warriors, down to a few hundred. orcs are so beast
plitt23 1 year ago
whys that gay music gotta ruin the epicness of gandalfs beam of light :(
MrSweetchoc 1 year ago
To bad Tolkein didnt keep going with lord of the rings after the return of the king
ThePolishGuy26 1 year ago
They did a good job holding off the city for that long. They only had 500 men to defend a ruin city, and most of the battles were fought one vs one. yeah the gondorians one these one vs one battles but there were just so many orcs that once you killed an orc, one would take its place. Good example would be at 3:31 where that guy killed one orc, but didnt have 2 seconds to catch his breath, another orc took the fallen orcs place and eventually the orcs will win with the numbers they had.
kaptinfancy 1 year ago
@kaptinfancy 500 soldiers defending Osgiliath? MMMM.....Gondor barely has any troops left to defend its lands anymore I wonder how many men they had at Minas Tirith?
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
@BlowShitUp12 I believe they had about 4,000 in Minas Tirith im not sure though.
ThePolishGuy26 1 year ago
@ThePolishGuy26 I thought there were around 2,000-3,000.
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
@kaptinfancy What was in the book but NOT in the movie was that the first wall of Minas Tirith was virtually indestructable and that the Orcs never entered the city.
Plus in the movie it looks as if the Orcs bombarded the city for fun.If you see the boulders they were throwing with that pace the city would have been destroyed in half an hour.
Tsagia 1 year ago
@Tsagia Yeah usually it would have taken multiple boulder hits to destroy a section of Minas Tirith and yet P.J makes it look as if it only takes one hit.You wanna know whats really odd is that the comment you said about the boulder thing was really interesting,because yeah it would have taken the orcs only around like 5 hours to destroy Minas Tirith using the catapults and yet the fight lasted for around 12 hours?The orcs must have divided time for each bomabardment.
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
@BlowShitUp12 Yeah I mean if you look at some of the shots in the movie the rocks and boulders destroy huge areas of the city like buildings and towers as if they're LEGO bricks.Plus the army shown in the movie was ridiculously big.Looking at aeral views of the siege the army blocks are even bigger than the entire city!Lol!Orcs playing scrabble and backgammon in their free time going "It's so nice Peter Jackson made the first wall out of carton or else we'd never get in that bloody city".
Tsagia 1 year ago
@Tsagia Yeah I think it was pretty stupid making Minas Tirith so freaking weak , I mean it was a city very very sturdy and yet P.J makes it looks like its been built out of legos.As for the soldiers I know that they were extremely outnumbered but I mean Gondorians fought very good in the book,although seeing as how its a movie P.J probably did all those to show the power of the orc because they are the bad guys and we prefer them over the good guys.
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
that soldier at 3.57 is so fucked
Faralakaboom 1 year ago
i love 3.57:D i jizzed over that volley
Faralakaboom 1 year ago
i think it's almost impossible, for little a orc's arrow, to pierce a steel plate armour.
and gondor soldier kick asses much more in the book
Ereinion3019 1 year ago
@Ereinion3019 You would have to understand the diff. between the Gondorian armour from the Second Age to Third Age year 2050 and the Gondorian armour from Third Age 2050 all the way to the end of the War of The Ring.Only by learning what both armours were capable then could you understand why the orcs had little trouble of piercing that armour.As for the orc arrows, I hope you understand that they are known as the"Black arrows" and are deadly at close range, like the orc firing it in here.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@MultiKillerBot your right. the armor of the men of the second age was of Numeron design and plus they had years to prepare for the battle against Sauron. that armor was incredible strong because of the craftman ship of the Numenors and Elves. the armor now is crappy. the orcs prepared for war and Gondor didn't really because it was an ailing kingdom.
DBZ1253 1 year ago
@DBZ1253 Yeah, plus this type of armour is suppose to represent ceremonial purposes instead of strict warfare , unlike the Second Age shields and armour which representated strict warfare(that type actually carried into the Third Age but changed to this one due to Gondor's decline), so basically not only are the soldiers of Gondor during the War of the Ring not nearly par to par with their earlier Third Age or Second Age counterparts but their armour is very weak as well.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@Ereinion3019 I have read the Return of the King book and only the battle of the Black Gate were they doing extremely well against the orcs.The battle of Osgiliath was barely mentioned in the book so I dont know how you got the impression that they did much better ,as for the battle of Minas Tirith, it was mostly archers and the Knights of Dol Amroth that fought the best, the regular Gondorian infantry in the book did as good as they did in the movie.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
man gandalf coming to the rescue so fucking awesome!
bukakeeblakbelt 1 year ago
I like this battle. :D
Zimdude12 1 year ago
if you didnt grab a horse back to minas tirith, you are so fucked.
rayisguapo 1 year ago 43
@rayisguapo even if you had a horse you are fucked :P you must go back to osgiliath anyway :P so if you was in osgiliath you died with a exeption of faramir :P
cas1029 11 months ago
people that say Gondorians are rubbish think about this, the battle began at night- it's dark, and ended when it's light so:
500 rangers+ soldiers for many hours got very tired,
100,000 orcs each probably fighting for half an hour before resting.
could you fight 100,000 for many many hours?
HahaGourds 10 months ago 3
@HahaGourds yes i could if i wasnt already on saurons side i am an easterling
TheZOMBIEKILLER777 8 months ago
i like this battle
joshtounen 1 year ago
its the best battle
joshtounen 1 year ago
1:30 The armor he's wearing is completely useless. >:\
rando12 1 year ago
@rando12 and why do you think its that useless, surely one arrow should not have killed him with all that armour on?
tysontwenty 1 year ago
What I really hate in movies is that arrows always go through armor.
armor in movies is made of paper :p
anmerpozzobon 1 year ago
die voelen zich kut
youer1 1 year ago
The Gondoe Archers always die for some reason.
MrGeneralJB 1 year ago
There is nothing wrong with this scene.The Gondorians are not prepaired for battle and many of them are simple soldiers.On the contrary these orcs are morannon orcs wich are probably the strongest race of orcs together with Uruk-Hai.Where the gondorians have their strong armor the orcs have a greater physical strength .It is true that in the book the soldiers of gondor defend themselves better than in this scene,but their asses are kicked in the same way. long Live Mordor and the orcs.
Cesare218 1 year ago
@Cesare218 Also in the book it says what the gondorians did as an army not individually from a soldier point of view so Peter Jackson just basically showed the fights from one on one.Also Morannon orcs had years to train whereas the Gondorians most of them only had a few weeks of training due to the fact their commanders needed many soldiers to defend their falling kingdom.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
Its a german version of DDAY
triangleshapedcheese 1 year ago
what happened to orcs after gondor soldiers left the city
did they had a drunk party or what.
Goblin1206 1 year ago
look at 3.00 that condorian kicks that orc ass :D wery funny indeed
napander001 1 year ago
the ambushed them from the north and the west they couldn't hold them off for long
MafiaManAD 1 year ago
@MafiaManAD true but they could have sent one man in gondor to send rienforsmenst
orton2461 1 year ago
@MafiaManAD Not to mention they only had 500 men going up agianst 5000+.
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
I like how the orc boats look like higgins landing craft from world war 2
msbennett89 1 year ago
I don't know if it's just me, but I really think people are misunderstanding the element of surprise; if you pay attention, you'll know that it was a shock to Fararamir that they weren't attacking from the North. So, the way I look at is that he thought they would attack from the North and probably had his archers stationed there, but then he found out too late so he couldn't have used his archers.
malkrow21 1 year ago
I dont like to see this battle really ... it's like the gondorians can't kill one single orc, only Faramir, Madril and Damrod seem to kill orcs.
This, while it were actually the orcs who made more losses at this battle than the gondorians!
brom001 1 year ago
i dont see why the gondorians didn't make any blockaids on the river bank? and why didn't the rangers start firing before the boats landed??
luccawgs 1 year ago
can you make this in German please
speedriver95 1 year ago
i dont see how a crude shoddy arrow shot from a crude shoddy bow could kill a heavily plated gondorian
blightscrib 1 year ago
@blightscrib There armour isnt of the Numenorean version anymore their armour is a one layer strip of steel used for ceremonial purposes instead of actual warfare .
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
Love the music at 3:57
assassainscreed 1 year ago
Gondorian Soldiers fought hard, but they were exhausted, many were walking wounded. There was also knowledge that their greatest commander (Boromir) was dead and the fact the Orcs have the numbers, and the Wraiths on their side doesn't help.
How would you feel if you had to fight hideous, feral monsters with all of that, while at constant risk of being picked up and thrown aside by a flying beast?
If anything, I'd say they fought well, considering they held the enemy back for days.
NicholasGeschke 1 year ago
I noticed how in the book, the soldiers of Gondor are much more effective and kickass. In the movie, virtually every time they're featured they're getting slaughtered.
In the book, they "Cost the orcs very dearly"
Kosta97379 1 year ago 19
@Kosta97379 Um not really , in the book this battle was only mentioned briefly , so you didnt know the what really happened , at minas tirith the Gondorians get 2800 backup from the provinces , in the movie they didnt so they were stuck with approximately 2000 men ,plus their kingdom was in decline .
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@Kosta97379
its because it would be hard to show the effect of them getting beaten if they seemed to take out say 10 orcs for every gondorian.
evildog100 1 year ago
@Kosta97379, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. I thought i was the only one thinking that because in alot of scense with gondor they get their ass kicked bad. Hell even Rohan put up a better fight and alot of their army was kids and old guys.
destructionking23 1 year ago
@destructionking23 Actaully he is wrong , because in the book all it said was how Gondor did as an army not individaully from a soldiers perspective of fighting , so they still got owned the same.Are you kidding me ? Rohan put up a good fight ? It was mostly the elves , and the three Hunters doing 90%percent of the work.Also you are confusing yourself with the regular gondor units and the knights of Dol Amroth. Read the book again and you will find your errors.
BlowShitUp12 1 year ago
@BlowShitUp12, geez man i was just joking. Lighten up.
destructionking23 1 year ago
@destructionking23 Gondor was outnumbered 10 to 1 . Faramir had 500 men and 200 of those men were rangers(which should only be used for ambushes or recon missions, Not defending ruined cities.Also the fight lasted for 6 hours and most Gondorians didnt get rest nor did they finish their dinners.Another thing was that P.J showed us the beginning and last part of the battle not the Middle part so Gondor atually did do good but we didnt see it cuz P.J had a lot of scenes to do.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@MultiKillerBot, ok, look: my answer isnt intended on being taken seriously. Im just saying that in the movie gondor got their ass kicked in a lot of scenes. The whole outnumbered and and tired or whatever i dont care. My answer wasnt supposed to be serious, it is just a joking one.
destructionking23 1 year ago
@Kosta97379 Probably because they couldn't afford to film long scenes where the soldiers of Gondor kicked ass for a while, then were finally routed, multiple times. That gets expensive. Much easier to have them all get slaughtered until the heroes show up.
CRAZEDVILLAIN 1 year ago
@CRAZEDVILLAIN yeah, but then look at the other pointless scenes in the movie...they showed so much dumb crap that I personally didn't care about, i dont know bout every1 else but to me the parts with frodo and sam were lame but important so i get y they put those in but in general id rather not have frodo and sam in there that much..
Cappucino145 10 months ago
@Kosta97379 True,true.Also the question is:
Orc arrow penetrates Gondorian armor so easily?Bullocks.
Tsagia 1 year ago
@Kosta97379 I thought they were doing a good job when the Orcs first arrived, if you notice its daylight when they start to get slaughtered. There are reasons for this, there are about 500,000 Orcs coming to minas tirith. With maybe 600 Soldiers/Rangers. After maybe 10 hours fighting they'd be exhausted wouldn't they? Also Gothmog had no idea what the defence would be like, there could be hundreds of archers so he sent the weak orcs in. You notice at 3:40 he begins to send the tough orcs in.
AliiiiLewis 1 year ago
@Kosta97379 The exact same applies for when the orcs siege on minas tirith, they're holding good towards the start and at the courtyard, when they start to get pushed up levels however, they start to lose.
AliiiiLewis 1 year ago
@Kosta97379 Nonsense, orcs are vicious cratures willing to fight and wage war just "for fun". So they are naturally better at combat than ordinary man. Also, most warriors attacking Minas Tirith were uruks not orcs.
halafradrimx 1 year ago
@Kosta97379 yeah but in the film it had to be more dramatic
gugvg 1 year ago
@Kosta97379 agreed lol their armour=like takin on 6 orcs or somethin lol
maxie15o9 1 year ago
Love 5;59...its fukin beautiful!! sends shivers up me neck! jst like the piercing white light....that bitta music pierces ur heart like....ITS SOOOOO EMOTIONAL!!!! :P
Emmetl43 1 year ago
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3:37 Kycklingorchen!
ugpower 1 year ago
3:37 kycklingorchen!
ugpower 1 year ago
i would have gone all kind of ape shit on them! and the reasons i think that the orcs one was their over whellming numbers, better wepons, the element of surpirse and fear, and the men where stabbinh the orcs when they should have swung their swords and taken of their heads
Multimonster98 1 year ago
stay on the higher ground with bows and spears :L peice of piss
08chazman08 1 year ago
what's the name of the song that start at 0.37? it seems a evil theme!
xenoma1993 1 year ago
The time of the Orc, has come...
Jenzmetal 1 year ago
The book is better it's not like that and the army of the dead didn't fight in the book
gugvg 1 year ago
This is the best battle in the trilogy in my opinion, I got really sick of the "watch the mighty heros up their kill-count" of the others...this feels like a dirty, nasty grim bloodbath against a ferocious foe...surely its more dramatically satisfying when the enemy is strong? good guys in LOTR had it too easy, unkillable heroes, unstoppable ents, ghost armies that cant be defeated, reincarnating gandalfs...just never remotely felt they were in any danger. At all.
stevedml 1 year ago
Yeah man, what the bad strategist was Faramir, so they knew already that the Orcs were more than them and they let the orcs land so Gondorian forces could ambush them? wtf? they needed to shoot fire arrows to the boats so they would have killed a good number of Orcs before they land and sink their boats, also they had to use ballistics, oil all the shore of the river and light it when they orcs were landing on there...jeezzz!!!
Joakinsmat 1 year ago
@Joakinsmat Um you are the bad startegist
1. Faramir only knew the orcs were there when that one guy died , so he wouldnt have had time to make much preperations .
2.Ballistas, oil and fire arows? who said they had those? and as for fire arrows um it would have taken them 10 minuts to get the archers into position, light thier arrows and fire by that time orcs would have landed .
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@MultiKillerBot well buddy, that was the middle earth right? so they were suppose to have the warfare of the middle ages, right? soit was imposible to bring all those weapons at there? orcs had better weapons and strategists than gondor, in the 2 towers orcs used ballistics, bows, fire arrows and bombs!!! come on man!! even you can build fire arrows in your home! Faramir sucks!!
Joakinsmat 1 year ago
@Joakinsmat Well dude it doesnt work like that ! Even if he does get the fire arrows , he would have to get his men into position which would have taken time like 2 minutes , then the orcs would have used the nazgul to take them all out . I like to see you defend the ruins then with only 500 men .
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@Joakinsmat Oh and um this is a movie suppose to represent real life . I mean in real life people normally used regular arrows most of the times and they prob. would have lost defending ruins if for 3 reasons
-Number deficiency
-Fatigued from fighting
-Night time battle It would have been easier in the day .
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@Joakinsmat Also please note that osgiliath was in ruins and did not have sufficient numbers ,and the archers wouldnt have found good cover cuz the buildings are falling apart . Plus most of their men or half were rangers no way to defend a city in ruins .
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@MultiKillerBot Was that Gondorian at 4:13 really killed that easily with his helmet and all that armour on?
tysontwenty 1 year ago
@tysontwenty He was hit two times , one on his arm and one at the side of his head. You wouldnt be able to function right when the side of your head is hit. The armour that he has is thin layer sheet of steel so thats why.Also most of the orcs were Morannon orcs and the Gondorians were just simple soldiers instead of Numenoreans.
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
@MultiKillerBot So is it likely he would have been killed just from those blows? or would he have survived?
tysontwenty 1 year ago
@tysontwenty Well the orc hit the arm of the Gondorian so he wouldnt be able to strike back , then he hit the head making the Gondorian dizzy. He wouldnt die from these blows depending on how hard the impact to the head was. However the orc probably still kept beating him though, so he would have died . Also remeber getting hit on your head is no laughing matter .
MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
I HATE the way this scene was done! It just makes the soldiers of Gondor look like absolute pushovers! In the books, it was far less one- sided mano-a-mano, just despite how many hundred orcs were slain there were always more to replace them. I can forgive them leaving out the Rammas Echor, Cair Andros and the Causeway forts, but the films do make the average Gondorian look rather rubbish, which isn't fair to them. I'd forgotten that Gondorian whose face gets stood on - always saddens me deeply.
roryfinnokane 1 year ago
where can i find the music for 3:30 - 4:50?
waffleownage 1 year ago
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does anyone know if the gondor soldiers are this bad in the book?
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MultiKillerBot 1 year ago
faramir wins
other people fail..
08chazman08 1 year ago
@08chazman08
of course, that because faramir is a captain!!!
xenoma1993 1 year ago
The age of man is over !!! the time of ORC has come ! :D
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MrMilan90 1 year ago
Keep quiet ! Kill hem ! Fastaa ! :D
MrMilan90 1 year ago
5:04 must hurt like hell...
SweZyx 1 year ago
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5:04 it must hurt like hell...
SweZyx 1 year ago
5:04 it must hurt like hell...
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SweZyx 1 year ago
Classic Wilhelm scream at 5:47
Heard it hundreds of times in hundreds of movies. Never gets old haha
fcb955ff 1 year ago
Good thing the Gandalf is around..
azuer143 1 year ago