By trade, I am a tool designer, but I deal with plastics. I often ponder about making a forging tool so that I can manufacture items that I want for myself and possibly to sell.
If a picture is worth a 1000 words, this video is a novel of information!
I worked in a forge for 5 years doing this kind of work and I can't believe that they aren't wearing any kind of saftey glasses period. I had to wear tinted ones cause I couldn't stare at that stuff for 8 hours a day.
Hot billet is being cheesed, and forged in 3 operations from one heat, then trimmed (clipped). The operator dags (lubricates) the dies to help prevent the forged parts sticking in the dies and reduce die wear, the last forging in the film sticks in the top die !
@SheffMick Sounds like you know forging-terminology. I think that US companies that sub-contract should have some accountability for the blatant disregard for workers' safety in these Asian shops.
Understand your opinion, but saying that, if a electrician you hire to do some work in your home gets hurt because of his mistake, should we hold you accountable since you are paying him to do the job?
No safety glasses, a single foot switch for the press operation, no gloves, no regards for worker safety and health. They might make it cheaper than we can in the USA but I still have all my fingers and toes and I can still see them.
@yethdear How about all you H&S police get a padded cell somewhere, lock yourself in it and dont ever come out. Sure these guys have been doing this since you were in diapers. You guys are just like liberals, over reactive wingers that make stupid rules and take away freedom. H&S and emission taxes are the largest bugbear on industry today. Im all for less red tape, common sense, not stupid sense and personal responsibility. Even if he gets hurt guess what, its his fault and no one else's.
You make absolutely no sense. Rules and safeguards are put in place for a damn reason. 1. To help ensure workers go home with their life and limbs, 2. To reduce the company worker compensation rates low. I guarantee you that if a worker loses an arm or dies, OSHA will come in there and 99% the company is getting fined.
You are obviously the type of worker management needs to keep an eye on. You are a liability to them.
@normanmj Further too my last, you fear the mighty OSHA because they will slap you around if you screw up in the smallest way, so your heart doesn't really lie with the individual, rather you fear osha's stick. That is not the ethical way to do business. I would rather look after my employees because I want to and genuinely care rather than to be forced by the government yet again as in every aspect of our lives.
Unfortunately, there are MANY MANY employers who do not take their employees safety seriously. I don't know what you mean by H&S Agenda? The goal for any employer is to keep costs down, no? Employers cannot keep costs down if their employees are continually being hurt, that is why there are rules. I have worked in many different industries, from general industry, construction, etc and never once has there been such a restriction (safety wise), that the job cannot be done efficiently.
@normanmj Lets give you an example of this efficiency then. A knee height scaffolding structure needs to be move three feet forward so contractors can continue installing electrical ducting on the ceiling. The pathetic platform has to be deconstructed by a qualified scaffolder and then re erected and signed off. What a bunch of BS. I couldn't install new light bulbs at my place of work because I'm not qualified or insured. Again what BS. I dont want to be nannied like a child, maybe you do.
You sure do act like a child, so it's not surprising you have trouble with following or understanding rules. Your boss can make you a "competent" person to assemble/disassemble scaffolding, so I'm not sure what your problem is. There have been lots of workers who have died on the job because some moron didn't know how to install a scaffold correctly, that is why there are rules. If you don't like rules, then you should find yourself some fly by night handyman service to work for.
@normanmj My point is that not all of us is handicapped brain dead sheep that needs babysitting. You probably sit up at night wondering how generations of old got by without h&s. You clearly like all the red tape, government interference, paperwork and nannying. Pretty soon we wont be able to fart without a license. I love my workshop where I can leave H&S by the door and put my common sense head on. And I still have all my bodily functions.
Tell that to the 30 year electrician who didn't want to comply with the rules and got electrocuted, or the contractor working in a trench without cave-in protection that got killed. ALL of them thought the same way you did, that you've been doing your job for XX amount of years and haven't gotten hurt. Now they are 6 feet under because of their arrogance. I'll tell you what, if you blatantly disregarded my companies rules while on the clock, you would be on the unemployment line.
@normanmj Very sad that they got hurt or died, but you know what, they were personally responsible for their own actions. So if they get hurt or killed, sorry to say..........so what.......and!. Dont be like an over reactive liberal and ban the gun just because someone got shot. Shall we ban cars and swimming pools too then?? Thats the same way H&S is going. Taking personal responsibility and common sense away. I pity your kids, they must grow up in a H&S bubble where they never get hurt.
Not true. The companies they worked for continually ignored federal safety laws, and even their own company laws allowing their employees to put theirs lives in danger. With your thinking, we don't need any laws. No speed limits, allow drinking and driving, etc etc. Please tell me the difference. You act like H&S folks want people in bubble wrap, which from my experience, has been completely false. I'm done talking to a ignorant tard like yourself.
@normanmj In response to your comment about the electrician, I think that your two examples are invalid. The can't be properly analogized because maybe the contractor or electrician wasnt thinking with common sense, you dont know because there are those people in the workplace who use common sense and there are those who are... shall we say idiots. However, I think that both of your points are valid as saftey regulations do need to exist. BUT there must be a balance as there is with all
@MotoScootMech critical things in life. Yes we do need certain saftey regulations so that no one has to make the call to Joe's family saying hes not coming home from work today (a terrible thought indeed). But at what point do the saftey regulations become too much and people start to lost the idea of right and wrong and lose their common sense. People need to be held responsible for their own actions and need to be taught to think before they act and prepare for the unpreparable.
@normanmj In response to your electrician getting killed comment, I think that maybe the electrician or contractor werent thinking the same as ZS6JMP. Both of your examples dont work because they may not have been using common sense and just did things without thinking, those idiots do exist in the work place. However, I think that both of you and ZS6JMP's comments are valid. I dont think that we need to be on one side of the fence or the other, just like many critical aspects in life a
@normanmj My question to you. Where will the h&s agenda stop??? When humans dont have to get out of bed because its dangerous. See the h&s slope is a slippery one as nothing will ever be safe enough for OSHA. You mention litigation, that is the reason h&s exists because some dimwit will sue.
Looks like they're making valves for pipelines. The first press forges the stock/workpiece on an impression die to shape the metal while the other one just trims the flash. It might need some secondary operations like drilling etc. to produce the final product.
I wish I had one of these hydraulic forging presses myself. A cheaper version though older technology is the friction screw press and the drop hammer which are also quite effective for closed die forging and commonly employed in making engine, powertrain and chassis components of cars, trucks, tractor, motorcycles, handtools etc.
@DixonPhano No actuall it is not. I did forging for years in the states until just recently. this is really slow, and they are doing some really unsafe things in this video. This could be vastly improved. i checked and saw that 1000 celcius is 1832 fahrenheit. That is nothing where I worked, the tonnage is really low as too. The process could easily be made more efficient and much safer as well.
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TAPICTURES 1 week ago
This video is amazing!!!
By trade, I am a tool designer, but I deal with plastics. I often ponder about making a forging tool so that I can manufacture items that I want for myself and possibly to sell.
If a picture is worth a 1000 words, this video is a novel of information!
Al828282 3 weeks ago
@Al828282
Kool.I've working in molding ( I'm a processor ) for 20 years.Chicagoland area
2112ShakeMaster 1 week ago
are they dumbells??
mrdan859 1 month ago
Ever slow. We used to run the line 3 times faster than this.
rtisi 2 months ago
that's exactly why its cheaper in china, no expensive safety regulations to follow.
frozenwalkway 2 months ago
thanks NAFTA
Homesteadforge 6 months ago
i want to see how they make a forge chevy crankshaft please
joe35664 6 months ago
I worked in a forge for 5 years doing this kind of work and I can't believe that they aren't wearing any kind of saftey glasses period. I had to wear tinted ones cause I couldn't stare at that stuff for 8 hours a day.
blacksmokincummins01 6 months ago
looks fun.
Dercommandingofficer 9 months ago
I dare you to piss on em!!!!
maplemanz 1 year ago
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@maplemanz I dare you to sit on em!!!!
iRouRoui 10 months ago
these are valve housings !! (right?)
robbedoes1985 1 year ago
touch the glowy things.
ronaldli5 1 year ago
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rdm2535 1 year ago
be letter my turn comming soon..바리티
rdm2535 1 year ago
hand weights!
clearliquid 1 year ago
Wow they look cold
Rwy02 1 year ago
This is my life.
thewelford 1 year ago
I would have dreamt this noise all nights, instead of him. And I done it, in similar working conditions. This is one of an hell.
DixonPhano 1 year ago
hey is it in eurotech??kwangju those koreans are familliar ,,they really dont care for there workers!!
beckluv213 1 year ago
what type of material they use for those dies?
levisalo 1 year ago
wat type of lubrican is bein used???
jackblack4646 1 year ago
Hot billet is being cheesed, and forged in 3 operations from one heat, then trimmed (clipped). The operator dags (lubricates) the dies to help prevent the forged parts sticking in the dies and reduce die wear, the last forging in the film sticks in the top die !
SheffMick 2 years ago 7
Don't no about you Mick,but I wouldn't let him press my trousers! FR Darley Dale!
sloppywank81 2 years ago
@SheffMick Sounds like you know forging-terminology. I think that US companies that sub-contract should have some accountability for the blatant disregard for workers' safety in these Asian shops.
CamelFlouge 1 year ago
@CamelFlouge
Understand your opinion, but saying that, if a electrician you hire to do some work in your home gets hurt because of his mistake, should we hold you accountable since you are paying him to do the job?
normanmj 7 months ago
No safety glasses, a single foot switch for the press operation, no gloves, no regards for worker safety and health. They might make it cheaper than we can in the USA but I still have all my fingers and toes and I can still see them.
yethdear 2 years ago 14
@yethdear look closer, guys' wearing white gloves
jacktheripped 1 year ago
@yethdear Exactly my thoughts! I wonder if Korea (?) has an OSHA? At least a pair of safety glasses... RL
rlewis1946 1 year ago
@yethdear How about all you H&S police get a padded cell somewhere, lock yourself in it and dont ever come out. Sure these guys have been doing this since you were in diapers. You guys are just like liberals, over reactive wingers that make stupid rules and take away freedom. H&S and emission taxes are the largest bugbear on industry today. Im all for less red tape, common sense, not stupid sense and personal responsibility. Even if he gets hurt guess what, its his fault and no one else's.
ZS6JMP 10 months ago
@ZS6JMP
You make absolutely no sense. Rules and safeguards are put in place for a damn reason. 1. To help ensure workers go home with their life and limbs, 2. To reduce the company worker compensation rates low. I guarantee you that if a worker loses an arm or dies, OSHA will come in there and 99% the company is getting fined.
You are obviously the type of worker management needs to keep an eye on. You are a liability to them.
normanmj 7 months ago
@normanmj Further too my last, you fear the mighty OSHA because they will slap you around if you screw up in the smallest way, so your heart doesn't really lie with the individual, rather you fear osha's stick. That is not the ethical way to do business. I would rather look after my employees because I want to and genuinely care rather than to be forced by the government yet again as in every aspect of our lives.
ZS6JMP 7 months ago
@ZS6JMP
Unfortunately, there are MANY MANY employers who do not take their employees safety seriously. I don't know what you mean by H&S Agenda? The goal for any employer is to keep costs down, no? Employers cannot keep costs down if their employees are continually being hurt, that is why there are rules. I have worked in many different industries, from general industry, construction, etc and never once has there been such a restriction (safety wise), that the job cannot be done efficiently.
normanmj 7 months ago
@normanmj Lets give you an example of this efficiency then. A knee height scaffolding structure needs to be move three feet forward so contractors can continue installing electrical ducting on the ceiling. The pathetic platform has to be deconstructed by a qualified scaffolder and then re erected and signed off. What a bunch of BS. I couldn't install new light bulbs at my place of work because I'm not qualified or insured. Again what BS. I dont want to be nannied like a child, maybe you do.
ZS6JMP 7 months ago
@ZS6JMP
You sure do act like a child, so it's not surprising you have trouble with following or understanding rules. Your boss can make you a "competent" person to assemble/disassemble scaffolding, so I'm not sure what your problem is. There have been lots of workers who have died on the job because some moron didn't know how to install a scaffold correctly, that is why there are rules. If you don't like rules, then you should find yourself some fly by night handyman service to work for.
normanmj 7 months ago
@normanmj My point is that not all of us is handicapped brain dead sheep that needs babysitting. You probably sit up at night wondering how generations of old got by without h&s. You clearly like all the red tape, government interference, paperwork and nannying. Pretty soon we wont be able to fart without a license. I love my workshop where I can leave H&S by the door and put my common sense head on. And I still have all my bodily functions.
ZS6JMP 7 months ago
@ZS6JMP
Tell that to the 30 year electrician who didn't want to comply with the rules and got electrocuted, or the contractor working in a trench without cave-in protection that got killed. ALL of them thought the same way you did, that you've been doing your job for XX amount of years and haven't gotten hurt. Now they are 6 feet under because of their arrogance. I'll tell you what, if you blatantly disregarded my companies rules while on the clock, you would be on the unemployment line.
normanmj 7 months ago
@normanmj Very sad that they got hurt or died, but you know what, they were personally responsible for their own actions. So if they get hurt or killed, sorry to say..........so what.......and!. Dont be like an over reactive liberal and ban the gun just because someone got shot. Shall we ban cars and swimming pools too then?? Thats the same way H&S is going. Taking personal responsibility and common sense away. I pity your kids, they must grow up in a H&S bubble where they never get hurt.
ZS6JMP 7 months ago
@ZS6JMP
Not true. The companies they worked for continually ignored federal safety laws, and even their own company laws allowing their employees to put theirs lives in danger. With your thinking, we don't need any laws. No speed limits, allow drinking and driving, etc etc. Please tell me the difference. You act like H&S folks want people in bubble wrap, which from my experience, has been completely false. I'm done talking to a ignorant tard like yourself.
normanmj 7 months ago
@normanmj In response to your comment about the electrician, I think that your two examples are invalid. The can't be properly analogized because maybe the contractor or electrician wasnt thinking with common sense, you dont know because there are those people in the workplace who use common sense and there are those who are... shall we say idiots. However, I think that both of your points are valid as saftey regulations do need to exist. BUT there must be a balance as there is with all
MotoScootMech 6 months ago
@MotoScootMech critical things in life. Yes we do need certain saftey regulations so that no one has to make the call to Joe's family saying hes not coming home from work today (a terrible thought indeed). But at what point do the saftey regulations become too much and people start to lost the idea of right and wrong and lose their common sense. People need to be held responsible for their own actions and need to be taught to think before they act and prepare for the unpreparable.
MotoScootMech 6 months ago 3
@normanmj In response to your electrician getting killed comment, I think that maybe the electrician or contractor werent thinking the same as ZS6JMP. Both of your examples dont work because they may not have been using common sense and just did things without thinking, those idiots do exist in the work place. However, I think that both of you and ZS6JMP's comments are valid. I dont think that we need to be on one side of the fence or the other, just like many critical aspects in life a
MotoScootMech 6 months ago
@normanmj My question to you. Where will the h&s agenda stop??? When humans dont have to get out of bed because its dangerous. See the h&s slope is a slippery one as nothing will ever be safe enough for OSHA. You mention litigation, that is the reason h&s exists because some dimwit will sue.
ZS6JMP 7 months ago
Looks like they're making valves for pipelines. The first press forges the stock/workpiece on an impression die to shape the metal while the other one just trims the flash. It might need some secondary operations like drilling etc. to produce the final product.
shaider77 2 years ago
thanks
poozit 3 years ago
Yes!! Love those machines. The heavier the better.
I want one! ...then I'd make some modifications so that the press produced tough, forged crankshafts for my KMZ motorcycle and more...
Maserati420 3 years ago
I wish I had one of these hydraulic forging presses myself. A cheaper version though older technology is the friction screw press and the drop hammer which are also quite effective for closed die forging and commonly employed in making engine, powertrain and chassis components of cars, trucks, tractor, motorcycles, handtools etc.
shaider77 2 years ago
seems pretty inefficient, what are they making
somedude8319 3 years ago
@somedude8319 pretty inefficient uh? Machining 1000°C "things" this fast is a-hell-of-a-robot-efficiency, my darling.
DixonPhano 1 year ago
@DixonPhano No actuall it is not. I did forging for years in the states until just recently. this is really slow, and they are doing some really unsafe things in this video. This could be vastly improved. i checked and saw that 1000 celcius is 1832 fahrenheit. That is nothing where I worked, the tonnage is really low as too. The process could easily be made more efficient and much safer as well.
somedude8319 1 year ago
Looks like a block and final operation. Hot trim.
smithraymond 3 years ago