Well, me and God agree on one thing according to this video... Abortion (as long as it's not forced). Because how can we be true Atheists if we want to rid society of stem cell research? I'm sure all of you have heard the insanity of "pro-life" people shooting Doctors in the name of the Christian God right? It's ridiculous.
Man makes mistakes! God does not make mistakes! He is Perfect! God is our Father. He does not sin. We sin. That is the difference between God and Man. Man makes many mistakes. God is perfect. He creates for a purpose. Think about it. If everything in this world were perfect how dull this world would be. We are all unique. He made us this way so we would have a choice to love him. Without God we don't know love. We don't know choice. We have to have the choice to love him.
@Selex501 There's plenty of cases of people talking to spirits, exorcisms, telepathy (thoughts going out of the brain and traveling into another person's brain in wave forms), channelings etc... there's vast proof for a soul to exist...
@Selex501 clarividence (plentty of policial cases; mind leaves body and time to recover a murder information for example) aura; seen by vidents and special technologies, the only problem is that mainstram science wont get into this, they keep this knowledge hidden...
Bible Morality is man's morality not God's. It was written by man in the inspiration of God. Man does not have a concept of how vast God is, or how perfect he is, they had to write the bible to tell it and even when they did they didn't really come close. When you consider how vast his love is for us and how vast his wrath can be, than you will understand why he sent his son. For us, So that we would learn to forgive.
@ JulieColleen your delusional honey you know nothing of god... just like the rest of us, because hes not here nor will he ever be so you might as well do some thinking and look into the nonsense that you call religion and open your mind a little bit.. There are a million ways in which we could have gotten here and you've chosen the easiest (stupidest) one. I'm not saying i know the answer but neither does anyone and i certainly doubt you have picked the right one out of the millions of possib
Because we do not know the timing of infinite. We do not know these things. One thing that Jesus taught us is that God does forgive. He sent his son to teach us that.
God came here on earth to teach us to forgive. That was his only purpose. He did not come here for anything else. He wants us to be like him. To forgive. God is perfect. Man is not perfect. Man is not perfect because he is not God. The only way to be perfect is to lose and realize how we lose that is how we learn. God does not lose for he is perfect. Therefore, He has all knowledge. We do not go against him. We cannot imagine perfect love or how vast his love is. Nor his Hate.
@JulieColleen oh dear what have your parents done to you. did you watch the post, or did you just stick your fingers in your ears. as hard as it is in this world at times. its better to die as an honest reasonable person than to die an ignorant one. if your imaginary friend really exisits why post, doesnt he have it all in hand?. i suggest you get the book ''christ in egypt by d m murdock'', explaining the evolution of gods. love and peace to you
All I have to say about this is God is perfect. He does not interfere with we as Men do only when forgiveness. He only came to save us so that we could forgive. Because before he came there was no forgiveness.
The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
God didn't make a new covenant because the "old one wasn't as well thought out as it should be". It was made because the people of the OT would not obey the laws of God. Just as God was disappointed with humanity before Noah and sent the Deluge. Its not because the OT was error-ed. It was because people were so disobedient to God that they couldn't follow and keep his laws..So out of love for humanity God sacrificed himself as the ultimate sacrifice for them
EXCELLENT! Yes, it's all there in the "holy" Bible. I challenge all "believers" to rationalize this garbage away. The true "root of all evil" is GOD!!!
@SimKoning Very good question. An Atheist can be every bit as moral as a Christian, but having good morals doesn't make up for not asking Christ to forgive our sins and having a relationship with God. I'm not saying that Atheists are bad people by any means, I'm pretty sure you're a kind and loving person in real life. No Christian should act superior or holier than anyone else (including nonbelievers) becuase no one is sinless.
@AvantGardeGuy2 "for not asking Christ to forgive our sins" Why should I ask a faith healer that thought racism (Mark 7:24-37), stoning children (Mark 7:10 ) and all the other insane 613 laws of the Torah were "moral"?. You have a childish Sunday school version of Christ in your head. Buddha, a man that lived 500 years before him tought superior morality that did not depend on a god; in other words, it did not depend on begging forgiveness from a tyrannical monster that wants to burn me forever.
@SimKoning What about those verses were racist? I read that scripture before and I could not find such an example. Do mean when he said not to mention the miracles? If God is a monster who want's us to burn in hell, why would he even bother dying on a cross to save us from it? A truly evil, racist, merciless God wouldn't wan't a relationship with his children, nor would he command us to love one another and treat eachother as brothers and sisters. In kindness, MJR.
@AvantGardeGuy2 Uhhh, the Greek woman being called a dog by Jesus, who refused to heal her daughter until she said that she was a dog compared to the Jews, that verse. Ring any bells?
@SimKoning He wasn't being racist towards the woman, he was showing the Israelites he didn't just come to heal the Israelites, but people of all races and creeds. Afterall, God made every race on the Earth, and It wouldn't make sense for him to be racist. Jesus knew the woman would have an excellent reply to his question. It was a test of her faith. Although most Israelites stayed away from Canaanites and gentiles, Christ did not.
@AvantGardeGuy2 Anyway I gotta go to work. I suggest you pick up a book on Buddhism or something, or a historical book on the bible. In all this debate you are doing to your best to make it not seem as bad as it is, but it doesn't change the fact that it says you call sell women and foreigners as slaves, beat them and keep them forever. Do you really think that the creator of the universe would be ok with this?
@carol122054 So, the countless missionaries helping people in haiti, feeding the hungry, and aiding the sick, and reaching out to the lost in the name of God are doing evil?
@AvantGardeGuy2 Are you suggesting that secular can not or do not do the same thing? And what does this have to do with the Bible's contents? Christians doing good things does not change the fact that the bible is a disgusting book.
@AvantGardeGuy2 You obviously haven't read your Bible. Hint, just saying that those things are not in there does not change the fact that they are. Jesus said in Mark 7:10 that it is God's law to stone your children to death of if they are disobedient, are you calling Jesus a liar? Paul goes on to write in his letters that women are inferior and should not teach or speak in the church and that slaves should obey their masters. Acts advocates communism. Maybe you should read the Bible more?
Mark 7:10 doesn't say to "stone your kid" if he/she disobeys, it is saying that whoever (adults included) curses and reviles their parents will not have a long or fruitful life (the bible says honoring our folks will give us long life). The scripture regarding Women's roles in Church isn't saying women are inferior and should literally be silent, it's saying that women shouldn't try to take authority over male church leaders. Men and Woman have different roles in the church.
It has nothing to do with sexism or chauvinism. The slaves mentioned were not selected for their race and were not sold in slave trade against their will (which the bible condemns). These "slaves" were servants who chose to work for others, usally to pay off their debts (even doctors could get jobs as slaves). These servants were to be treated with utmost respect, and were only to be disciplined if they were doing bad things. These slaves only worked for about 7 years.
@AvantGardeGuy2 Again, you haven't read your bible in any real depth. I'm guessing you were taught this? Exodus 21 says that female slaves do not have to be set free after 6 years. It says that you can sell your DAUGHTER as a sex slave. It provides a loophole to keep your male hebrew slave FOREVER, by holding his salve wife and daughter. it says you can torture your slave via as long as he does not die within two days. Lev 25:44 says you can keep FOREIGN slaves as long as you want!
It doesn't say she must be a "sex slave", but rather if the owner is married to her then he must meet her needs, otherwise she can go free. The beating of slaves is only if they do something illegal like murder, rape or attack someone. They weren't enslaved in that kind of sense. These foreign slaves knew full well that they could work for long periods of time. Racism is not involved with this process, and these servants were not to be abused or treated as inferior.
@AvantGardeGuy2 "It doesn't say she must be a "sex slave" It says if she does not PLEASE her master he can let her go free. Do you think it is OK to SELL YOUR DAUGHTER as property? It also says he can keep her as property as long as he wants. "The beating of slaves is only if they do something illegal like murder" Bullshit, show me where it says that for one, two explain to me how one enforces chattel slavery any other way? Jesus even uses a parable about slave beating Luke 12:45
@SimKoning The Luke parable talks of an evil servant beating the other slaves and the master returing to bring justice on the wicked servant. It is an allegory of the punishment God will bring on evil men.
@AvantGardeGuy2 "and the servant who was ignorant of his master's will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more." He is talking about slaves that do not behave. Ask yourself this, why is it Christ never spoke once against slavery? Why doesn't the bible EVER say it is wrong to own another human being as property?
@AvantGardeGuy2 Oh you mean the apologist website that says that the earth is less than 10,000 years old? You don't see a problem with using that as a source?
@AvantGardeGuy2 Do they explain why a slave's life is only worth 30 shekels? BTW I haven't even scratched the surface yet. They ever teach you about how Moses slaughtered babies? They teach you about how the "law" says to stone a woman on her father's doorstep if they can't find the bloody sheets from her wedding night? What about the verse that says a woman has to marry her rapist if she was a virgin?
@AvantGardeGuy2 "The slaves mentioned were not selected for their race" Bullshit, read Genesis 9:25 where it says the Canaanites were doomed to be slaves because of their ancestor.
It doesn't mention the Canaanite people in this verse, only the man Canaan, who did wicked things. As for the alleged killing verse, are you sure it's Acts 5:32? I looked it up in my Bible and it reads "And we are witnesses to these things and so is the holy spirit whom God has givento those who obey him".
@AvantGardeGuy2 The Pharisees were the liberal Jews at the time that took a not literal view of the laws of God. By AD 30, Instead of stoning people to death, the Jews started collecting fines or creating loop holes to avoid stoning people despite God's COMMAND to do so. Jesus was rebuking them for their "human" traditions such as WASHING YOUR HANDS, while ignoring God's command to stone disobedient children. FWI it's one of the ten commandments. You need to actually read the bible little more.
When the Pahrisees were going to stone an audlteress woman to death, Christ drew a line in the sand and said "Whichever of you is without sin may cast the first stone". They understood they were not blameless and left. Jesus certainly didn't approve of the woman's adultery, but he was mericful enough to give her , like all of us, a chance to give up our old ways and turn to him. It was God's love and mercy that motivated him to die for us. Thank you for the questions.
that story was added later and could very well be fictional; even if it is not, it says he WROTE something in the sand, and you may notice there was no man about to be stoned with her like the law demands. It takes two to commit adultery, guess who the men were? This is assuming she was actually a prostitute and not someone being accused of being a prostitute simply to test Jesus' knowledge of the laws as they insisted on doing so often. He wrote in the sand because it was the sabbath.
@AvantGardeGuy2 "The scripture regarding Women's roles in Church isn't saying women are inferior' And what apologist web site told you that nonsense? 1st Conrith. 14:34 says that women should keep silent in the church. Ephesians 5:21 says that men are above women in the same way God is above men! Are you saying we are equal to God?!
@SimKoning No one is equal to God. Scripture states that women and men should stick by each others' side, women are not to be "under man's feet" but should not be above him. Woman is man's partner.
@AvantGardeGuy2 It says woman should obey men because they came from man, in the same way man came from God. How is this not sexist? Do you even understand what sexism is? Let's ignore the fact that the Adam and Even story is a MYTH and that's what Paul is basing his argument on.
@SimKoning Just out of curiosity, if you believe the Bible is a myth, what point is there in trying to say it is evil? Just a logical question. With respect, Matt Reyna.
@AvantGardeGuy2 What do most Christians think about the Quran? What do most Christians think about Hinduism and their caste system? There are people that think gay people are immoral because the same set of laws that says you should stone a woman to death if no one hears her scream during rape says they ar, you don't see a problem with that? The point is, there are people who DON'T think this is a myth and base their lives around it.
@AvantGardeGuy2 Acts 5:32. woops, it was actually God that killed people for not selling all their property so it could be spread out according to need.
@Imaginefree69 The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
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ok so you re playing with the old testament written in very old times where slavery was considered normal (also theres right now slaves, the children who made your shoes while do nothing nothing for them but bitching about the slaves more than 2000 years ago in a book), but now you should update to the reality, we re in new testament times
Read the new testament see for yourself it isn't all as good as you think it is. Also the word of god is forever, and since he is omnipotent he could never be wrong or have any need to change his mind.
I digress if you are stupid enough to believe in a book of mythology written by primitive men you will be too stupid to read the new testament and understand it is not what everyone says it is.
Personally, I think the best way to show someone the errors of their beliefs is to first show them that you understand their beliefs (which the author of this video did not even attempt to do), then provide a rational, as well as reverent, counter-example to each belief (again, not present in the video, just a bunch of sarcastic rhetoric). I'm Atheist and I am all for trying to enlighten people, but the lack of respect shown to Christianity in this video prevents it from doing so.
God never sanctioned rape. The person who did the video was not honest and he ripped Scripture out of context. And his final explanation of Hebrews 8 wasn't even close to accurate.
The Bible is a spiritual Book. It can only be understood with a spiritual mind. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Corinthians 2:14).
If everyday, "run of the mill" Christians (Not in your category) actually read the atrocities ordered by Yahweh, they might cancel their subscriptions. If they could just see that their moral standards are much greater than the "moral giver's", they just might question religion itself. My mother and father are perfect examples of this. Both never attend church and still consider themselves Christians. I think their in it for the imaginary palace in the sky.
How about the one where God summons two she bears to devour 42 little kids for making fun of a bald guy (Kings
2:23)? Or my personal favorite; the story where he has his own son killed as part of a brutal blood sacrifice so that he can forgive our sins? I think his name was Jesus or something. BTW why in the hell couldn't he simply forgive us, and what is with his obsession with blood and burning goat flesh? Particularly the smell of it?
What do you mean "respectfully"? I'm quoting the bible. It says he likes the smell of burning goats. It says he killed 42 children via bears. It says he had his own son put to death to pay for our sins in blood. It says the nomal course of action for for an attack on a guest is offer your virgin daughters. It says that God will make you eat your children if you don't obey the law. I actually read and understand this book. If you read this book, how do you miss this stuff?
Sure. Umm..... How about... The story of Elisha in 2Kings? You know, the one when Elisha is walking to Bethal; boys make fun of him, calling "bald head" and so on; Elisha curses the kids in the name of God; 2 female bears come out of the woods and shred 42 of the mocking children. Are you familiar?
Was Sarte correct when he said, "If there is no God, everything is permissible."? And, if that's true, how are there any human rights? Granted by whom? Wouldn't Tennyson & Darwin's "red tooth and claw" seem to apply instead?
To put it simply, this is not true. Some actions are not permissible simply because, if expanded to a global scale, they would destroy our society or even our entire species. If all humans murdered, there would end up being no more humans.
Cooperation plays a large role in evolution, as is evident in the numerous animals that form herds, packs, hives, etc. instead of killing each other off. Cooperation increased the fitness of the entire group.
You mean you wouldn't enjoy life and love your children if you found out it's not all for the sake of a sky god tyrant's ego? You wouldn't make the world a better place for yourself and those you live with during the short and very precious time you have on this planet? Your words show exactly how your faith strips the real value of life from your mind and the minds of others. I for one am glad that I exist everyday, and death makes me appreciate every minute of my life. I feel sorry for you.
Socratic line of questioning (continued below) for the sake of reductive analysis. Doesn't mean I personally hold such positions (in this case, I def don't).
Before I answer this question, answer mine. Do you think a sane, non psychotic god would order the death of someone for picking up wood on a holy day? If so why?
We don't know, that's what makes life so interesting and ultimately worth living.
If all answers were known, there wouldn't be any reason to keep on going with life at all. It would just be boredom for eternity. Just like heaven must be.
Thanks for the reply. I agree that discovery makes life interesting. I believe we were made for it. We're in a clear part of the Milky Way, that offers a clear view of spectacular space scenery.
Where we might differ is that I find such joy in knowing our purpose.
If we both agree that life on earth is interesting, what makes you think Heaven is boring?
Heaven would remove all danger, and would have no further knowledge to gain. Without new things, nothing would be interesting. Same-old-same for eternity. How could that not be boring?
Not to mention that most really interesting people throughout history were not Christian and would be in hell. Most of the "devout" religious followers I have met throughout my life I wouldn't want to spend that much time with. They don't show a lot of creativity, just dogmatic nonacceptance of new ideas.
Where are you getting these ideas? Rennaissance paintings? Not attacking you, it just seems a lot of our understanding of Biblical concepts seems to be influenced in such a way.
Though I reject some, I like a lot of new ideas, including some theological ones.
Most of the modern theological ideas are really no different that the original ideas. Two very influential writers were Aquinas and Augustine.
Heaven is supposed to be "perfect", which causes all kinds of problems defining what is and is not involved in heaven. I was dealing with the major stereotypical definitions of heaven in use today. There are some other ideas, but there is no more reason to accept one over another. All current and past opinions on heaven are purely speculation.
Well, I find a completely happy and healthy society to be much less boring than it is now.. With mass suffering and disease and hunger and famine, sounds all too much like the norm. but like I said, I don't even know if that is possible to have all the answers.
Think little about it.. The more we learn the more interesting it gets! So if we knew all the answers (which I don't even know is possible) that would be so awesome! Even if the answers are not so pleasing.
The more we learn, the more we found out that there is even more we don't know. That's the beauty of life. The answers that we get not only answer some questions, they nearly always lead to more unanswered questions.
That isn't a problem, it's simply the acceptance that sometimes answering a question doesn't lead to more questions. It's a possible occurrence in any investigative scenario.
God never sanctioned rape. The person who did the video was not honest and he ripped Scripture out of context. And his final explanation of Hebrews 8 wasn't even close to accurate.
The Bible is a spiritual Book. It can only be understood with a spiritual mind. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Corinthians 2:14).
No kidding. I especially like how he took the account of Lot and made it seem like God ordered him to turn over his daughters. When it is actually a cautionary tale showing the decent of a man who turned his eye toward the riches of this world.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The Bible is full of stories of people royally messing up. God knew ahead of time and let them mess up anyway.
You seem pretty confused about the content of your bible. Read in the entirety, all these statements mean the same thing. The words still say what they say. You can take the woman that you capture during war and use them for your own ( of course after willing the men and children , which is also in there) still means rape them till they scream no matter what kind of spin you would care to put on it. When it explains how to treat your slaves and how much they are worth,,cant spin that.
"and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.""
Of course. When He said that, they were still under the OT law. Galatians 3 informs us that the law was a schoolmaster to get us to Christ, no further.
You are willing to say that morality is objective (which implies unchanging), but then say the moral law changes. Levitical law is at once necessary "to get us to Christ," but also unnecessary for Christians to follow (which implies it must not be needed to arrive at Christ).
Not if Levitical law was always intended since its inception to be temporary.
Correction to my previous statement. The law was not to get "us" (as in everyone) to Christ. It was only given to the Israelites. Gentiles were a law unto themselves.
So different ethical laws apply to different people? Sounds an awful lot like ethical relativism to me.
If gentiles don't need Levitical law to get to Christ, why would the ancient peoples have needed it?
If you're taking a stand on ethical objectivism, doesn't it make more sense to say that Levitical law was simply wrong? The reason our moral laws change is because our flawed understanding of morality changes (the same way science changes, even though the material world does not change).
ok 1st you would have to agree what is evil...lets say murder is evil. so let say i am thinking of killing you. now where did the idea come from? was is from satan or your general stupidity that made my chemicals in my head come up with that? now what is stoping me from killing you? god? or the thought of getting your blood on my clothes and a lengthy prison term? you came be a great moral person without the jesus delusion.
(basic common sence) what a group of people agree to be evil is evil. people experiences teach them what is good for them and the group....killing someone because they worked on sunday most people would consider moronic and evil. most people would consider slavery evil...but if your a moron you can read the bible and believe in 2000 year old scriblings of how to keep your slaves and learn how it is right to stone to death people who work on sunday...
If a group finds it's more efficient to kill off the elderly who consume resources w/o benefiting the group, and make them into food, would it be evil to do so?
If a group of Vikings decide it's good for them to pillage and burn coastal villages, would it be evil to do so?
Is it really convention by which we define evil? Pragmatism?
if vikings pillage villages those viking would probably find it moral to do so...some groups will do what they feel is evil since it is such a good benafit to them regaurdless...the people getting pillage would prob consider it evil out of thier self-interest
for the most part we make our own morals to suit are own self interest. you might feel it would be wrong to kill a cat to eat it...if i put you on a island with nothing to eat but cats...i would assume your morals would change...
I don't consider it immoral to eat cats; just repulsive. You? But I understand your point.
I agree that morals are often adjusted to to suit self interests. But should they be? It seems with many situations there is an "is" as well as an "ought".
Would an unaffected, 3rd party consider the Viking behavior evil?
do i find it immoral to eat a cat...nope...if its ok to eat cows and chickens feel free to eat cat and dogs....there is an overpopulation why not? i would check your local laws its probably would end you in jail though...
morals are for people who want to feel better than someone else....that person is a stripper? that person sleeps around? i am better than that ect ect i have morals
Well, as an unaffected 3rd party, I think the Vikings were probably very scary, but no more evil than the Crusaders, especially the Teutonic Crusaders.
It varies considerably depending on your philosophical outlook. An act could be evil:
- because it has negative consequences
- because it violates human rights
- because it is inherently evil regardless of its consequences
- because society perceives it to be evil
- because the Flying Spaghetti Monster says it is evil
- etc.
There are many different ways of approaching morality. I think the shallowest way, regardless of religion, is to appeal to the commands of an authority figure.
The golden rule which is apparent to anyone with a modicum of wisdom including little kids is reciprocity. You get as you give. If you are nice people are generally pleasant in return, and if you aren't nice, people react less favorably towards you. From this simple scale it is easy to determine the appropriate behavior scale to establish a notion of evil. No god required.
How do we know that's the right criteria? The Vikings could get w/o giving & didn't seem to expect their victims to show them kindness. How do we conclude an objective morality? Was Kant right?
I don't know why you're singling out the vikings here. Virtually every society has attempted to violently exploit people who were weaker than them. Also, many vikings were traders who got what they wanted through a peaceful exchange of goods.
As for objective morality, we can arrive at it through logic. I think Kant was right to an extent, but I think his categorical imperative leads to utilitarianism: people should try to do what is best for all.
Objective morality ? A difficult ask, however once again the rule of behavioral reciprocity seems to hold. It is present in nearly every human culture and in every age, of course so were sociopaths. Kant is only correct when you register sociopaths as human, even though they have no morality and form a criminal element in every society. As something of an indictment, sociopaths are often very successful due to their ruthless exploitation of other humans.
I think you set the bar a bit high for determining something as evil. For example, if parents let their daughter be raped by their bank manager in lieu of loan repayments, surely that is evil ?
RELIGION = FRAUD. How do half-intelligent people believe in such mythical, fictional nonsense - miracles, angels, afterlife with an imaginary boss in the sky. The world would be a better place without this evil, story-book nonsense.
It's not 'what Christians DO' that decides the morality of the Bible. The fact that MOST christians reject those Laws about stoning disobedient children, homosexuals etc demonstrates beautifully thet they SELECT the laws to obey according to secular, innate norms of morality rather than scripture. Any human society without 'moral' standards could not have survived. ALL societies, with different 'gods', have broadly similar moral norms. They have a survival value.
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i am an atheist.. you are a fucking idiot.. you have completly distorted the bible.. most i only agree with a couple of these.. the rest your mixing up with gods talk.. and humans laws.. and some arent even what you say... just because something happened like "someone killed someone" doesnt automatically mean its saying "KILLING IS OKAY"
i support what your doing but wtf.. dude get your facts right because when you make up shit your no better than a dellusional christian.
Actually, if you read the actual scripture, you'll see God DOES say these evil acts are okay. I've clarified this by reading several different versions of the Bible myself. Feel free to view my own playlist on this same topic: "The Case F
Jesus is not the Son of God.
Maria was inseminated by the holy ghost!!!!!!
Read your Bible.
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
the bible is moral? But what about the part when God raped Jesus' mom? ahaha wow reeeal moral
TheGreatDeciever55 1 year ago 8
Well, me and God agree on one thing according to this video... Abortion (as long as it's not forced). Because how can we be true Atheists if we want to rid society of stem cell research? I'm sure all of you have heard the insanity of "pro-life" people shooting Doctors in the name of the Christian God right? It's ridiculous.
thevoicoftruth1989 1 year ago 4
Man makes mistakes! God does not make mistakes! He is Perfect! God is our Father. He does not sin. We sin. That is the difference between God and Man. Man makes many mistakes. God is perfect. He creates for a purpose. Think about it. If everything in this world were perfect how dull this world would be. We are all unique. He made us this way so we would have a choice to love him. Without God we don't know love. We don't know choice. We have to have the choice to love him.
JulieColleen 1 year ago
@JulieColleen If he's perfect, why do children die? Why do good men die? Why are the pure punished, and the impure glorified?
Selex501 1 year ago
@Selex501 because man sins, if you don't your physical body may sease but your soul is immortal.
FlaiteOne 1 year ago
@FlaiteOne But souls aren't real
Selex501 1 year ago 4
@Selex501 There's plenty of cases of people talking to spirits, exorcisms, telepathy (thoughts going out of the brain and traveling into another person's brain in wave forms), channelings etc... there's vast proof for a soul to exist...
FlaiteOne 1 year ago
@FlaiteOne You mean all those "cases" where there's no solid evidence to prove it
Selex501 1 year ago 3
@Selex501 clarividence (plentty of policial cases; mind leaves body and time to recover a murder information for example) aura; seen by vidents and special technologies, the only problem is that mainstram science wont get into this, they keep this knowledge hidden...
FlaiteOne 1 year ago
@FlaiteOne becuase its nonsense a trick of the mind
keaverkite 1 year ago 3
Bible Morality is man's morality not God's. It was written by man in the inspiration of God. Man does not have a concept of how vast God is, or how perfect he is, they had to write the bible to tell it and even when they did they didn't really come close. When you consider how vast his love is for us and how vast his wrath can be, than you will understand why he sent his son. For us, So that we would learn to forgive.
JulieColleen 1 year ago
ilities by saying someone put us here and if we dont have complete faith in that "thing" we will be damned for all eternity.
MegaJwhite09 1 year ago
@ JulieColleen your delusional honey you know nothing of god... just like the rest of us, because hes not here nor will he ever be so you might as well do some thinking and look into the nonsense that you call religion and open your mind a little bit.. There are a million ways in which we could have gotten here and you've chosen the easiest (stupidest) one. I'm not saying i know the answer but neither does anyone and i certainly doubt you have picked the right one out of the millions of possib
MegaJwhite09 1 year ago
The only crime in this video is the horrific massacre of context.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
Because we do not know the timing of infinite. We do not know these things. One thing that Jesus taught us is that God does forgive. He sent his son to teach us that.
JulieColleen 1 year ago
God came here on earth to teach us to forgive. That was his only purpose. He did not come here for anything else. He wants us to be like him. To forgive. God is perfect. Man is not perfect. Man is not perfect because he is not God. The only way to be perfect is to lose and realize how we lose that is how we learn. God does not lose for he is perfect. Therefore, He has all knowledge. We do not go against him. We cannot imagine perfect love or how vast his love is. Nor his Hate.
JulieColleen 1 year ago
@JulieColleen oh dear what have your parents done to you. did you watch the post, or did you just stick your fingers in your ears. as hard as it is in this world at times. its better to die as an honest reasonable person than to die an ignorant one. if your imaginary friend really exisits why post, doesnt he have it all in hand?. i suggest you get the book ''christ in egypt by d m murdock'', explaining the evolution of gods. love and peace to you
kram83au 1 year ago
All I have to say about this is God is perfect. He does not interfere with we as Men do only when forgiveness. He only came to save us so that we could forgive. Because before he came there was no forgiveness.
JulieColleen 1 year ago
God did not do this man did this, man also wrote the bible only inspired by God. Man did this too.
JulieColleen 1 year ago
Jesus gave us the truth on morals with the Beatitudes / Sermon on the Mount. All else fails.
KnowTheBible559 1 year ago
*claps*
ThePsychoticScyth396 1 year ago
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BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
God didn't make a new covenant because the "old one wasn't as well thought out as it should be". It was made because the people of the OT would not obey the laws of God. Just as God was disappointed with humanity before Noah and sent the Deluge. Its not because the OT was error-ed. It was because people were so disobedient to God that they couldn't follow and keep his laws..So out of love for humanity God sacrificed himself as the ultimate sacrifice for them
CreedChrist 1 year ago
I worship the Road Warrior.
TomahawkTerror 1 year ago
And the religious say "what would we do without the morals in the book?"
Read the fucking book, and look at your fucking morals.
stepchangeable 1 year ago
Religion is poison. High time we get rid of useless superstition.
bary1234 1 year ago
well we still have slavery whats ur point?
JamesianDGAF 1 year ago
EXCELLENT! Yes, it's all there in the "holy" Bible. I challenge all "believers" to rationalize this garbage away. The true "root of all evil" is GOD!!!
carol122054 1 year ago
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AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 The question is there any good thing a theist can do that an atheist can not?
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning Very good question. An Atheist can be every bit as moral as a Christian, but having good morals doesn't make up for not asking Christ to forgive our sins and having a relationship with God. I'm not saying that Atheists are bad people by any means, I'm pretty sure you're a kind and loving person in real life. No Christian should act superior or holier than anyone else (including nonbelievers) becuase no one is sinless.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 "for not asking Christ to forgive our sins" Why should I ask a faith healer that thought racism (Mark 7:24-37), stoning children (Mark 7:10 ) and all the other insane 613 laws of the Torah were "moral"?. You have a childish Sunday school version of Christ in your head. Buddha, a man that lived 500 years before him tought superior morality that did not depend on a god; in other words, it did not depend on begging forgiveness from a tyrannical monster that wants to burn me forever.
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning And by tought I mean taught
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning What about those verses were racist? I read that scripture before and I could not find such an example. Do mean when he said not to mention the miracles? If God is a monster who want's us to burn in hell, why would he even bother dying on a cross to save us from it? A truly evil, racist, merciless God wouldn't wan't a relationship with his children, nor would he command us to love one another and treat eachother as brothers and sisters. In kindness, MJR.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Uhhh, the Greek woman being called a dog by Jesus, who refused to heal her daughter until she said that she was a dog compared to the Jews, that verse. Ring any bells?
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning He wasn't being racist towards the woman, he was showing the Israelites he didn't just come to heal the Israelites, but people of all races and creeds. Afterall, God made every race on the Earth, and It wouldn't make sense for him to be racist. Jesus knew the woman would have an excellent reply to his question. It was a test of her faith. Although most Israelites stayed away from Canaanites and gentiles, Christ did not.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Anyway I gotta go to work. I suggest you pick up a book on Buddhism or something, or a historical book on the bible. In all this debate you are doing to your best to make it not seem as bad as it is, but it doesn't change the fact that it says you call sell women and foreigners as slaves, beat them and keep them forever. Do you really think that the creator of the universe would be ok with this?
SimKoning 1 year ago
@carol122054 So, the countless missionaries helping people in haiti, feeding the hungry, and aiding the sick, and reaching out to the lost in the name of God are doing evil?
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Are you suggesting that secular can not or do not do the same thing? And what does this have to do with the Bible's contents? Christians doing good things does not change the fact that the bible is a disgusting book.
SimKoning 1 year ago
lol
LOLTOROCK 1 year ago
If your neighbours work on Saturday, kill them.
If your child throws oatmeal at you, kill him.
If your mom plants corn and pumpkins in the same field, kill her.
If your sister has premarital sex, kill her
(but don't think twice about her sex partner).
If the folks in the next town aren't Christians,
kill them all and take their baby girls home for sex slaves.
It's all there, advice for a perfect life.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago 42
@Imaginefree69 The Bible DOES NOT teach any of the things you mentioned. That's not Christianity, that's Fanaticism.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
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@AvantGardeGuy2
"The Bible DOES NOT teach any of the things you mentioned."
Hey, I just quoted the Bible.
If you don't like what it says...
you're getting smarter!
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 "That's not Christianity, that's Fanaticism"
Have you never seen Christians congregated together praying and convulsing on the floor. Looks pretty fanatical to me.
philster61 1 year ago
@philster61 Actually, those are just people filled with the Holy Spirit.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 More like alcoholic spirits.
philster61 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 You obviously haven't read your Bible. Hint, just saying that those things are not in there does not change the fact that they are. Jesus said in Mark 7:10 that it is God's law to stone your children to death of if they are disobedient, are you calling Jesus a liar? Paul goes on to write in his letters that women are inferior and should not teach or speak in the church and that slaves should obey their masters. Acts advocates communism. Maybe you should read the Bible more?
SimKoning 1 year ago
Mark 7:10 doesn't say to "stone your kid" if he/she disobeys, it is saying that whoever (adults included) curses and reviles their parents will not have a long or fruitful life (the bible says honoring our folks will give us long life). The scripture regarding Women's roles in Church isn't saying women are inferior and should literally be silent, it's saying that women shouldn't try to take authority over male church leaders. Men and Woman have different roles in the church.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
It has nothing to do with sexism or chauvinism. The slaves mentioned were not selected for their race and were not sold in slave trade against their will (which the bible condemns). These "slaves" were servants who chose to work for others, usally to pay off their debts (even doctors could get jobs as slaves). These servants were to be treated with utmost respect, and were only to be disciplined if they were doing bad things. These slaves only worked for about 7 years.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Again, you haven't read your bible in any real depth. I'm guessing you were taught this? Exodus 21 says that female slaves do not have to be set free after 6 years. It says that you can sell your DAUGHTER as a sex slave. It provides a loophole to keep your male hebrew slave FOREVER, by holding his salve wife and daughter. it says you can torture your slave via as long as he does not die within two days. Lev 25:44 says you can keep FOREIGN slaves as long as you want!
SimKoning 1 year ago
It doesn't say she must be a "sex slave", but rather if the owner is married to her then he must meet her needs, otherwise she can go free. The beating of slaves is only if they do something illegal like murder, rape or attack someone. They weren't enslaved in that kind of sense. These foreign slaves knew full well that they could work for long periods of time. Racism is not involved with this process, and these servants were not to be abused or treated as inferior.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 "It doesn't say she must be a "sex slave" It says if she does not PLEASE her master he can let her go free. Do you think it is OK to SELL YOUR DAUGHTER as property? It also says he can keep her as property as long as he wants. "The beating of slaves is only if they do something illegal like murder" Bullshit, show me where it says that for one, two explain to me how one enforces chattel slavery any other way? Jesus even uses a parable about slave beating Luke 12:45
SimKoning 1 year ago
Thanks for the questions, but I'm not really much of an expert. I suggest you ask someone who has a deeper understanding of theology than I.
In kindness, MJR.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@SimKoning The Luke parable talks of an evil servant beating the other slaves and the master returing to bring justice on the wicked servant. It is an allegory of the punishment God will bring on evil men.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 "and the servant who was ignorant of his master's will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more." He is talking about slaves that do not behave. Ask yourself this, why is it Christ never spoke once against slavery? Why doesn't the bible EVER say it is wrong to own another human being as property?
SimKoning 1 year ago
I suggest you read the article "The Bible and Slavery" at answersingensis for more info. Peace out.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Oh you mean the apologist website that says that the earth is less than 10,000 years old? You don't see a problem with using that as a source?
SimKoning 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Do they explain why a slave's life is only worth 30 shekels? BTW I haven't even scratched the surface yet. They ever teach you about how Moses slaughtered babies? They teach you about how the "law" says to stone a woman on her father's doorstep if they can't find the bloody sheets from her wedding night? What about the verse that says a woman has to marry her rapist if she was a virgin?
SimKoning 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 "The slaves mentioned were not selected for their race" Bullshit, read Genesis 9:25 where it says the Canaanites were doomed to be slaves because of their ancestor.
SimKoning 1 year ago
It doesn't mention the Canaanite people in this verse, only the man Canaan, who did wicked things. As for the alleged killing verse, are you sure it's Acts 5:32? I looked it up in my Bible and it reads "And we are witnesses to these things and so is the holy spirit whom God has givento those who obey him".
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Canaan was the ancestor of the canaanites.I means acts 4:32, the verse where god killed someone is verse 5:1-11
SimKoning 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 By wicked things to you mean seeing his drunk ass dad naked... oooohhhhhh
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning I think the scripture implied he sodomized his own father,
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 The Pharisees were the liberal Jews at the time that took a not literal view of the laws of God. By AD 30, Instead of stoning people to death, the Jews started collecting fines or creating loop holes to avoid stoning people despite God's COMMAND to do so. Jesus was rebuking them for their "human" traditions such as WASHING YOUR HANDS, while ignoring God's command to stone disobedient children. FWI it's one of the ten commandments. You need to actually read the bible little more.
SimKoning 1 year ago
When the Pahrisees were going to stone an audlteress woman to death, Christ drew a line in the sand and said "Whichever of you is without sin may cast the first stone". They understood they were not blameless and left. Jesus certainly didn't approve of the woman's adultery, but he was mericful enough to give her , like all of us, a chance to give up our old ways and turn to him. It was God's love and mercy that motivated him to die for us. Thank you for the questions.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
that story was added later and could very well be fictional; even if it is not, it says he WROTE something in the sand, and you may notice there was no man about to be stoned with her like the law demands. It takes two to commit adultery, guess who the men were? This is assuming she was actually a prostitute and not someone being accused of being a prostitute simply to test Jesus' knowledge of the laws as they insisted on doing so often. He wrote in the sand because it was the sabbath.
SimKoning 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 "The scripture regarding Women's roles in Church isn't saying women are inferior' And what apologist web site told you that nonsense? 1st Conrith. 14:34 says that women should keep silent in the church. Ephesians 5:21 says that men are above women in the same way God is above men! Are you saying we are equal to God?!
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning No one is equal to God. Scripture states that women and men should stick by each others' side, women are not to be "under man's feet" but should not be above him. Woman is man's partner.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 It says woman should obey men because they came from man, in the same way man came from God. How is this not sexist? Do you even understand what sexism is? Let's ignore the fact that the Adam and Even story is a MYTH and that's what Paul is basing his argument on.
SimKoning 1 year ago
@SimKoning Just out of curiosity, if you believe the Bible is a myth, what point is there in trying to say it is evil? Just a logical question. With respect, Matt Reyna.
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 What do most Christians think about the Quran? What do most Christians think about Hinduism and their caste system? There are people that think gay people are immoral because the same set of laws that says you should stone a woman to death if no one hears her scream during rape says they ar, you don't see a problem with that? The point is, there are people who DON'T think this is a myth and base their lives around it.
SimKoning 1 year ago
Do you have any examples as to how Paul advocated communism?
AvantGardeGuy2 1 year ago
@AvantGardeGuy2 Acts 5:32. woops, it was actually God that killed people for not selling all their property so it could be spread out according to need.
SimKoning 1 year ago
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@Imaginefree69 The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
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Evolution supplies all that is needed for the development
of codes of conduct that preserve and facilitate
survival and co-operation,
which is precisely what these "laws" do.
Such sensitivities in no way support any particular god.
In fact, as Christians believe that their most heinous acts
will be magically vanished and forgotten via human sacrifice,
they actually have very little incentive to act in a moral manner.
Hmmm..
That just might explain a hell of a lot.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
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SHHSFilmCluB 2 years ago
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Read your bible:You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. (Read Deuteronomy 23:1
lizazoon 2 years ago
Read your bible dude...
NorwegianPianist89 2 years ago
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ok so you re playing with the old testament written in very old times where slavery was considered normal (also theres right now slaves, the children who made your shoes while do nothing nothing for them but bitching about the slaves more than 2000 years ago in a book), but now you should update to the reality, we re in new testament times
bye
roflzi 2 years ago
Watch the entire video.
RawNuts 2 years ago
@roflzi
Read the new testament see for yourself it isn't all as good as you think it is. Also the word of god is forever, and since he is omnipotent he could never be wrong or have any need to change his mind.
I digress if you are stupid enough to believe in a book of mythology written by primitive men you will be too stupid to read the new testament and understand it is not what everyone says it is.
RealistAtheist 2 years ago
those people were way more intelligent that you and surely everyone on this site and i have read it thanks for caring
roflzi 2 years ago
Personally, I think the best way to show someone the errors of their beliefs is to first show them that you understand their beliefs (which the author of this video did not even attempt to do), then provide a rational, as well as reverent, counter-example to each belief (again, not present in the video, just a bunch of sarcastic rhetoric). I'm Atheist and I am all for trying to enlighten people, but the lack of respect shown to Christianity in this video prevents it from doing so.
npdarren 2 years ago
great video....10 Stars
whitemisa 2 years ago
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God never sanctioned rape. The person who did the video was not honest and he ripped Scripture out of context. And his final explanation of Hebrews 8 wasn't even close to accurate.
The Bible is a spiritual Book. It can only be understood with a spiritual mind. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Corinthians 2:14).
libbypotpie 2 years ago
is that confusing to anyone?
are you or are you not "a natural man"?
RevSpike 2 years ago
SimKoning
+1
SunLike1278 2 years ago
If your everyday average Christians would just read the Bible, I think we would have a lot less Christians.
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago
Please elaborate.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago 2
Gladly, Mike!
If everyday, "run of the mill" Christians (Not in your category) actually read the atrocities ordered by Yahweh, they might cancel their subscriptions. If they could just see that their moral standards are much greater than the "moral giver's", they just might question religion itself. My mother and father are perfect examples of this. Both never attend church and still consider themselves Christians. I think their in it for the imaginary palace in the sky.
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago
"atrocities ordered by Yaweh"
Let's examine that closely. What example would you like to consider?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago 3
How about the one where God summons two she bears to devour 42 little kids for making fun of a bald guy (Kings
2:23)? Or my personal favorite; the story where he has his own son killed as part of a brutal blood sacrifice so that he can forgive our sins? I think his name was Jesus or something. BTW why in the hell couldn't he simply forgive us, and what is with his obsession with blood and burning goat flesh? Particularly the smell of it?
SimKoning 2 years ago
Please rephrase respectfully, and I'm willing to reply.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
What do you mean "respectfully"? I'm quoting the bible. It says he likes the smell of burning goats. It says he killed 42 children via bears. It says he had his own son put to death to pay for our sins in blood. It says the nomal course of action for for an attack on a guest is offer your virgin daughters. It says that God will make you eat your children if you don't obey the law. I actually read and understand this book. If you read this book, how do you miss this stuff?
SimKoning 2 years ago
ok anyway i'll give you one. Why would a sane God have someone put to death for picking up firewood?
SimKoning 2 years ago
I'm not saying that sarcastically, btw. I really want us to take a good, contextual look at it.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago 3
Sure. Umm..... How about... The story of Elisha in 2Kings? You know, the one when Elisha is walking to Bethal; boys make fun of him, calling "bald head" and so on; Elisha curses the kids in the name of God; 2 female bears come out of the woods and shred 42 of the mocking children. Are you familiar?
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago
Was Sarte correct when he said, "If there is no God, everything is permissible."? And, if that's true, how are there any human rights? Granted by whom? Wouldn't Tennyson & Darwin's "red tooth and claw" seem to apply instead?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago 3
"If there is no God, everything is permissible"
To put it simply, this is not true. Some actions are not permissible simply because, if expanded to a global scale, they would destroy our society or even our entire species. If all humans murdered, there would end up being no more humans.
Cooperation plays a large role in evolution, as is evident in the numerous animals that form herds, packs, hives, etc. instead of killing each other off. Cooperation increased the fitness of the entire group.
Dyne77 2 years ago 3
"they would destroy our society..."
But if there's no purpose or meaning to our society anyway...
mikebForJesus 2 years ago 2
You mean you wouldn't enjoy life and love your children if you found out it's not all for the sake of a sky god tyrant's ego? You wouldn't make the world a better place for yourself and those you live with during the short and very precious time you have on this planet? Your words show exactly how your faith strips the real value of life from your mind and the minds of others. I for one am glad that I exist everyday, and death makes me appreciate every minute of my life. I feel sorry for you.
SimKoning 2 years ago
Socratic line of questioning (continued below) for the sake of reductive analysis. Doesn't mean I personally hold such positions (in this case, I def don't).
What is the real value of life?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Before I answer this question, answer mine. Do you think a sane, non psychotic god would order the death of someone for picking up wood on a holy day? If so why?
SimKoning 2 years ago
We don't know, that's what makes life so interesting and ultimately worth living.
If all answers were known, there wouldn't be any reason to keep on going with life at all. It would just be boredom for eternity. Just like heaven must be.
13shadowwolf 2 years ago
"If all answers were known.."
Thanks for the reply. I agree that discovery makes life interesting. I believe we were made for it. We're in a clear part of the Milky Way, that offers a clear view of spectacular space scenery.
Where we might differ is that I find such joy in knowing our purpose.
If we both agree that life on earth is interesting, what makes you think Heaven is boring?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Heaven would remove all danger, and would have no further knowledge to gain. Without new things, nothing would be interesting. Same-old-same for eternity. How could that not be boring?
Not to mention that most really interesting people throughout history were not Christian and would be in hell. Most of the "devout" religious followers I have met throughout my life I wouldn't want to spend that much time with. They don't show a lot of creativity, just dogmatic nonacceptance of new ideas.
13shadowwolf 2 years ago
"Heaven would.."
Where are you getting these ideas? Rennaissance paintings? Not attacking you, it just seems a lot of our understanding of Biblical concepts seems to be influenced in such a way.
Though I reject some, I like a lot of new ideas, including some theological ones.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Most of the modern theological ideas are really no different that the original ideas. Two very influential writers were Aquinas and Augustine.
Heaven is supposed to be "perfect", which causes all kinds of problems defining what is and is not involved in heaven. I was dealing with the major stereotypical definitions of heaven in use today. There are some other ideas, but there is no more reason to accept one over another. All current and past opinions on heaven are purely speculation.
13shadowwolf 2 years ago
What are you talking about?! If all answers were known life would be a lot more interesting!
luc59457 2 years ago
Uh...nope. Life would be completely boring. It would be like a movie you had seen a dozen times. You would know what was going to happen.
Might as well just sleep through it.
13shadowwolf 2 years ago 2
Well, I find a completely happy and healthy society to be much less boring than it is now.. With mass suffering and disease and hunger and famine, sounds all too much like the norm. but like I said, I don't even know if that is possible to have all the answers.
luc59457 2 years ago
Think little about it.. The more we learn the more interesting it gets! So if we knew all the answers (which I don't even know is possible) that would be so awesome! Even if the answers are not so pleasing.
luc59457 2 years ago
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13shadowwolf 2 years ago
The more we learn, the more we found out that there is even more we don't know. That's the beauty of life. The answers that we get not only answer some questions, they nearly always lead to more unanswered questions.
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luc59457 2 years ago
That isn't a problem, it's simply the acceptance that sometimes answering a question doesn't lead to more questions. It's a possible occurrence in any investigative scenario.
13shadowwolf 2 years ago
God never sanctioned rape. The person who did the video was not honest and he ripped Scripture out of context. And his final explanation of Hebrews 8 wasn't even close to accurate.
The Bible is a spiritual Book. It can only be understood with a spiritual mind. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (I Corinthians 2:14).
libbypotpie 2 years ago
@libbypotpie
No kidding. I especially like how he took the account of Lot and made it seem like God ordered him to turn over his daughters. When it is actually a cautionary tale showing the decent of a man who turned his eye toward the riches of this world.
Intrepidman 2 years ago
Well, God did wipe everybody else out because they were immoral.
And he didnt even mention that both his virgin daughters got their father drunk and had sex with him right after this, to "preserve the seed".
Maybe God didnt see that one coming?
thisisnotanick 2 years ago 3
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The Bible is full of stories of people royally messing up. God knew ahead of time and let them mess up anyway.
What is your point?
Intrepidman 2 years ago 2
God seems to spend quite alot of time trying to fix problems he created in the first place, only to cause more sin.
He even breaks his own rules time after time.
thisisnotanick 2 years ago 23
Intrepid,
You seem pretty confused about the content of your bible. Read in the entirety, all these statements mean the same thing. The words still say what they say. You can take the woman that you capture during war and use them for your own ( of course after willing the men and children , which is also in there) still means rape them till they scream no matter what kind of spin you would care to put on it. When it explains how to treat your slaves and how much they are worth,,cant spin that.
carpnter2000 2 years ago
@Intrepidman
"and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.""
RealistAtheist 2 years ago
Actually hilarious.
bbsonjohn 2 years ago
I've never been the same after witnessing the Saturday Sea Food Special at Red Lobster.
SomeBSUTubeName 2 years ago
Oh noes, eating shellfish...on the Sabbath ! The entire establishment and everyone who has ever eaten there must be stoned to death by Levitical Law.
formless777 2 years ago
Christians don't beholden to Levitical law.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Actually that isn't true. Jesus says at least twice that his followers MUST OBEY LEVITICAL LAW !
formless777 2 years ago
Of course. When He said that, they were still under the OT law. Galatians 3 informs us that the law was a schoolmaster to get us to Christ, no further.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
You are willing to say that morality is objective (which implies unchanging), but then say the moral law changes. Levitical law is at once necessary "to get us to Christ," but also unnecessary for Christians to follow (which implies it must not be needed to arrive at Christ).
Do you not see these contradictions?
Dyne77 2 years ago
Not if Levitical law was always intended since its inception to be temporary.
Correction to my previous statement. The law was not to get "us" (as in everyone) to Christ. It was only given to the Israelites. Gentiles were a law unto themselves.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
So different ethical laws apply to different people? Sounds an awful lot like ethical relativism to me.
If gentiles don't need Levitical law to get to Christ, why would the ancient peoples have needed it?
If you're taking a stand on ethical objectivism, doesn't it make more sense to say that Levitical law was simply wrong? The reason our moral laws change is because our flawed understanding of morality changes (the same way science changes, even though the material world does not change).
Dyne77 2 years ago
"its okay to kill ur children" SO THATS WHY MY RELIGIOUS DAD BEATS ME UP!!!! :O *teehee atheist in a religious family*
Moonstream360 2 years ago
What is the source of evil?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
ok 1st you would have to agree what is evil...lets say murder is evil. so let say i am thinking of killing you. now where did the idea come from? was is from satan or your general stupidity that made my chemicals in my head come up with that? now what is stoping me from killing you? god? or the thought of getting your blood on my clothes and a lengthy prison term? you came be a great moral person without the jesus delusion.
hellasow 2 years ago
How do we determine what behaviors are evil?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
(basic common sence) what a group of people agree to be evil is evil. people experiences teach them what is good for them and the group....killing someone because they worked on sunday most people would consider moronic and evil. most people would consider slavery evil...but if your a moron you can read the bible and believe in 2000 year old scriblings of how to keep your slaves and learn how it is right to stone to death people who work on sunday...
hellasow 2 years ago
If a group finds it's more efficient to kill off the elderly who consume resources w/o benefiting the group, and make them into food, would it be evil to do so?
If a group of Vikings decide it's good for them to pillage and burn coastal villages, would it be evil to do so?
Is it really convention by which we define evil? Pragmatism?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
if vikings pillage villages those viking would probably find it moral to do so...some groups will do what they feel is evil since it is such a good benafit to them regaurdless...the people getting pillage would prob consider it evil out of thier self-interest
for the most part we make our own morals to suit are own self interest. you might feel it would be wrong to kill a cat to eat it...if i put you on a island with nothing to eat but cats...i would assume your morals would change...
hellasow 2 years ago
Good examples.
I don't consider it immoral to eat cats; just repulsive. You? But I understand your point.
I agree that morals are often adjusted to to suit self interests. But should they be? It seems with many situations there is an "is" as well as an "ought".
Would an unaffected, 3rd party consider the Viking behavior evil?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
3rd party groups like barbarians possibly that are agressive would find the behavior ok.
non war like groups would tend not too...
you agree that morals are often adjusted to to suit self interests. But should they be?
i will answer with a question...should there be any fighting or any wars? the question is mute since if anyone who wants to start a war can
live and let live is better morals than what is in the bible..u should be able to see the bible is not even close 2 perfect
hellasow 2 years ago
do i find it immoral to eat a cat...nope...if its ok to eat cows and chickens feel free to eat cat and dogs....there is an overpopulation why not? i would check your local laws its probably would end you in jail though...
morals are for people who want to feel better than someone else....that person is a stripper? that person sleeps around? i am better than that ect ect i have morals
the religous are known for that.
hellasow 2 years ago
Well, as an unaffected 3rd party, I think the Vikings were probably very scary, but no more evil than the Crusaders, especially the Teutonic Crusaders.
formless777 2 years ago
And how do we know that both are wrong? Is morality an absolute, objective discipline as say math and logic?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
It varies considerably depending on your philosophical outlook. An act could be evil:
- because it has negative consequences
- because it violates human rights
- because it is inherently evil regardless of its consequences
- because society perceives it to be evil
- because the Flying Spaghetti Monster says it is evil
- etc.
There are many different ways of approaching morality. I think the shallowest way, regardless of religion, is to appeal to the commands of an authority figure.
Dyne77 2 years ago
But are there behaviors that are absolutely, objectively wrong, regardless of philosophical outlook?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
How do we determine what behaviors are evil ?
That's easy and requires no theology lesson...
The golden rule which is apparent to anyone with a modicum of wisdom including little kids is reciprocity. You get as you give. If you are nice people are generally pleasant in return, and if you aren't nice, people react less favorably towards you. From this simple scale it is easy to determine the appropriate behavior scale to establish a notion of evil. No god required.
formless777 2 years ago
How do we know that's the right criteria? The Vikings could get w/o giving & didn't seem to expect their victims to show them kindness. How do we conclude an objective morality? Was Kant right?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
I don't know why you're singling out the vikings here. Virtually every society has attempted to violently exploit people who were weaker than them. Also, many vikings were traders who got what they wanted through a peaceful exchange of goods.
As for objective morality, we can arrive at it through logic. I think Kant was right to an extent, but I think his categorical imperative leads to utilitarianism: people should try to do what is best for all.
Dyne77 2 years ago
I agree we should, but why should we?
If morality is objective, like math and logic, how long has it been so? How long has 2+2=4?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Sorry. The ancient Vikings are just an example. I agree there were other violent, exploitive cultures.
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
Objective morality ? A difficult ask, however once again the rule of behavioral reciprocity seems to hold. It is present in nearly every human culture and in every age, of course so were sociopaths. Kant is only correct when you register sociopaths as human, even though they have no morality and form a criminal element in every society. As something of an indictment, sociopaths are often very successful due to their ruthless exploitation of other humans.
formless777 2 years ago
Are sociopaths perhaps just an extreme case of the selfish, exploitive tendencies in all of us?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
No, sociopaths are people who have parts of their mammalian forebrain inactive.
formless777 2 years ago
i determine evil if this thing threatens us as a specie..
ding2dong74 2 years ago
I think you set the bar a bit high for determining something as evil. For example, if parents let their daughter be raped by their bank manager in lieu of loan repayments, surely that is evil ?
formless777 2 years ago
What if it's an asteroid on a collision course with Earth? Since it has no will, can it commit evil?
mikebForJesus 2 years ago
What a brilliant video. I couldn't agree more.
TarnishedWolf 2 years ago
RELIGION = FRAUD. How do half-intelligent people believe in such mythical, fictional nonsense - miracles, angels, afterlife with an imaginary boss in the sky. The world would be a better place without this evil, story-book nonsense.
goldstead 2 years ago 3
It's not 'what Christians DO' that decides the morality of the Bible. The fact that MOST christians reject those Laws about stoning disobedient children, homosexuals etc demonstrates beautifully thet they SELECT the laws to obey according to secular, innate norms of morality rather than scripture. Any human society without 'moral' standards could not have survived. ALL societies, with different 'gods', have broadly similar moral norms. They have a survival value.
derek24hudson 2 years ago 8
Great vid
ThePabloDali 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i am an atheist.. you are a fucking idiot.. you have completly distorted the bible.. most i only agree with a couple of these.. the rest your mixing up with gods talk.. and humans laws.. and some arent even what you say... just because something happened like "someone killed someone" doesnt automatically mean its saying "KILLING IS OKAY"
i support what your doing but wtf.. dude get your facts right because when you make up shit your no better than a dellusional christian.
mgproductions2007 2 years ago
Actually, if you read the actual scripture, you'll see God DOES say these evil acts are okay. I've clarified this by reading several different versions of the Bible myself. Feel free to view my own playlist on this same topic: "The Case F