You seem to be under impression that,"free market = giving power to business" while the thing is that under free market the only "power" they've is to sell their products WITHOUT violating people's life, liberty & property, if they violate it then people can protest & retaliate but same can't be said about govt since govt has "LEGAL" authority, it can violate people's rights (often at the behest of rich & powerful) & its harder to protest & retaliate against it because govt makes all the "rules"
Wow, you really posted all of that? I copied and pasted stuff because I wasn't going to waste a few hours of my life writing down every single word until it reaches over four pages worth. Im officially done having this argument, its going to just go on forever.
Its not worth it. You can sit on your ass all day and night and do this shit but I have a job and a life. Just know that, you aren't proving anyone wrong, until your beliefs ever happen in real life. then there's no reason to trust you. The day that we go back to the real Gold Standard and your ideology becomes official for the first time in real life history, that is the day I'll start looking more into Austrian School of Economics.
"you aren't proving anyone wrong, until your beliefs ever happen in real life"
That's like saying that those who said that Earth is a sphere were wrong until everyone accepted that it wasn't flat but a sphere or that involuntary servitude was justifiable until the majority around the world accepted that it wasn't.
Things should stands on reason, not depending on who & how many believe they're right or wrong.
It's alright if you don't wish to respond, you've that freedom but I'll definitely like to rid you of the misconception that videos like "money masters", "wizard of oz",etc are peddling around that treasury/govt "pays interest to Fed" & that's why we've this debt & things would be better if govt could print its own money - ok, so what next? What does Fed do with with all that money? Do they take it home? NO......guess what.....Fed handsover all of its "profits" TO TREASURY (1)
So Treasury/govt "paying" interest to Fed is MERELY AN ACCOUNTING PROCEDURE since the money COMES BACK to Treasury anyway, plus, the Fed's profits not only includes interest SUPPOSEDLY "paid" by Treasury but also other incomes of Fed like interest they've earned on loans given to banks, etc so there are times when Fed hands over MORE in "profits" to Treasury than it SUPPOSEDLY "paid"
And as usual, you can verify it by going to Fed's website or calling up Treasury or whatever (2)
So what all these videos are peddling is PURE NONSENSE. We're NOT in so much debt "because Fed charges interest to Treasury/govt" but for the simple fact that like people everywhere, people in govt are self-interested & they've power to rob. Raising taxes is unpopular so they raise money for welfare & warfare thru debt to keep BUYING gullible people's votes. And if govt had power to DIRECTLY "create" money, tthey'd've created so much of it that US-dollar would've been worth Zimbabwean-dollar (3)
As for gold-standard, again, it was a PHONY "gold-standard" that we had, it was MONOPOLY where govt fixed a price then devalued currency & so on.
Can private mints debase their coins? Of course but there'd be no monopoly so as all markets work, people would reject bad coins & those mints will go down, simple freedom to choose & select, & COMPETITION would deal with it
Not to mention, there'd be "electronic money" denominated in grams/oz so not like you'd've to carry coins around
Wow, I sent you two tiny messages and you still come back and respond with 5 comments each being huge rants. What the hell is wrong with you? Get a life. I don't care what you say anyways. You can demonize my sources (wizard of oz, etc) but they are still more professional and actually work in this kind of field and you don't, instead you are probably jobless and waste all your time posting bull shit on youtube.
Not only have I posted my own comments and statements but I copied and pasted countless information from professionals and scholars that debunked and took down every statement that you said including the statements that you are saying now that have to be 5 pages. All you are doing is just repeating the same thing and using different words at times and that is all. This is going to do nothing and lead nowhere. Get a life you are wrong.
Until your system is tried which it has never been tried anytime through out history and until scholars and people actually take your kinds of thoughts and view of economics and takes the Austrian School of economics seriously, which no one does. Then your ideas mean nothing to me. Your views have been debunked several times and I have debunked them through posting quotes from professionals and scholars who are in the field. This is going no where, just get a life
Again, you just can't see that there's NO DIFFERENCE between govt & pvt sector, they're BOTH made up of self-interested people. Yes, can pvt sector trample people's liberties, yes, but it has no "LEGAL" authority to do that while govt does.
I want govt's powers to be limited to prosecuting those who violate others' life, liberty & property AND I want govt to be PAID by people according to their performance like pvt sector; if govt has power to "LEGALLY" ROB then there's little incentive for them
Let me clarify that I do NOT believe that prv sector is less corrupt than govt since BOTH comprise self-interested individuals BUT one MAJOR difference is that govt can LEGALLY rob & suppress people while pvt sector has no such authority.
As a minarchist, I do expect govt to be an arbitrator (NOT RULERS) to protect every person's right to life, liberty & property BUT they'd be paid VOLUNTARILY by people, based on their service, rather than them being able to "legally" ROB thru taxes & inflation
Government can legally rob and suppress people but so can the private sector. Giving them so much power and authority allows them to dictate policies and politicians. Therefore allowing those people in the private sector to help create law sand suppress people.
"Government can legally rob and suppress people but so can the private sector"
But govt can do it "LEGALLY" & legitimise it.
"Giving them so much power and authority allows them to dictate policies and politicians"
What power? The biggest power in the hands of the pvt sector is the ability to bribe & buy out & thereby use GOVT'S POWER to their benefit, which leads to favoritism & kills competition, at the expense of the people.
Most so called "economists", are either too dumb or too corrupt, otherwise they'd understand that economics is about supply & demand & prices are products of supply of & demand for goods/services, which are continuously fluctuating as they represent people's expectations, which are dynamic hence the real economists would recognize the obvious that govts should NOT control money & interest. But again, popular "experts" are only meant to convince the masses to concede power to ruling-class.
Wow, the idiot Ron Paul Austrian School follower is calling most economists stupid or corrupt. Yep, those scholars who make a living working in the economy and talking about economics sure are dumb and/or corrupt. This is coming from the youtube guy who has no life and followers the ideology (Austrian School of Economics) that has not been tried once throughout history.
Economy is much more than just the supply and demand of goods and services.
"the idiot Ron Paul Austrian School follower is calling most economists stupid or corrupt"
Let's think about it, why govt & politicians are so corrupt? Because only those who engage in favoritism to rich & powerful get into power & such people are obviously corrupt. The same holds true, in most cases, with any other "public" aspects, only those who push things that are beneficial to rich & powerful get all the money & limelight - Keynes is obvious example
"This is coming from the youtube guy who has no life and followers the ideology (Austrian School of Economics) that has not been tried once throughout history."
That's called APPEAL TO AUTHORITY, a view should NOT be considered "right" because so & so big shot thinks that way or that majority thinks that way; & just because a view is in the minority does NOT make it wrong, many things including the spherical nature of Earth was once considered "wrong"
"Economy is much more than just the supply and demand of goods and services."
Well, to anyone who's willing to use reason & logic it's NOTHING BUT supply & demand. All the complexities are introduced to dupe the gullible, just like the mystics & magicians duping & scamming people with their trickery
As I've said before, "interest" is the "price of lending/borrowing money" & just like many govts in the past found out that govts are INCAPABLE of dictacting prices in the market because prices are products of supply & demand for goods/services which are organic & dynamic forces which CAN'T be predicted by govt & central-banks so when they control interest-rates & moneysupply, they inevitably err causing "mal-investment" which the market will naturally look to liquidate thru recession
@tjtomkins Economic crisis's happen for numerous reasons. Here is a list. Strategic complementarities in financial markets Leverage Asset-liability mismatch Uncertainty and herd behavior Regulatory failures Fraud Contagion Recessionary effects There's the reasons. Its not just banks and fiat currency
It's important to understand the CAUSES to fine reasonable solutions
BEFORE the crises there's always a period of over-expansion of credit due to fractional & central banking where banks over-lend & invariably to many unsound borrowers, which inevitably default causing bank-panics & then then banks lend cautiously & since money is created when loans are given, less loans equals to shrinking of moneysupply, which is an attempt of the markets to bring INFLATED prices down to natural levels
Recessions usually result from excess capacity, when supply exceeds demand. When the economy is expanding, businesses build factories, buy inventory, and hire staff. But businesses often misgauge the market’s long-term appetite. When anticipated demand falls short, businesses respond by closing plants, firing workers, and discounting merchandise.
"Recessions usually result from excess capacity, when supply exceeds demand. When the economy is expanding, businesses build factories, buy inventory, and hire staff. But businesses often misgauge the market’s long-term appetite."
But you miss the point that businesses overproduce due to "cheap-money" created by banks & govts thru fractional-reserve-banking, WITHOUT this manipulation, there'd be no "cheap-credit" so no "excess capacity" so no recessions
As the downturn spreads, it becomes contagious, discouraging job growth, spending, and investment. Today’s economy suffers in part from excess housing capacity, which drove down home prices before rippling through the rest of the economy.
Keynes no clue about exactly how crises occur so no wonder his solution is simply to create more inflation & rob people of their purchasing-power.
It's like going to a doctor to claims to have the remedy but.....doesn't know what the disease is & what caused it.
Others, like Mises, Rothbard & Hayek (Nobel prize winner in 70s, but it has lost its value now that even Obama go it!) have described how & why crises occur but there idea aren't considered by govt because it won't benefit govt & banks
Making up stupid false questions and answers about Keynes doesn't mean that Keynes doesn't know how crisis's occur. Keynes has said several times why crisis's occur. He has given tons of logic, he is also a Novel Prize Winner and a winner of several other awards. He is the most influential economist since Adam Smith. His economic theories were used for the first 70 years of the 19th century, it declined for two or three decades and then became mainstream again
Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek, are so unreliable and unrealistic that they are equivalent to Karl Marx. Marx and his communist Manifesto while was a popular philosophical book, it was unrealistic for reality. The ideology of Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek has never been tried just like True Communism as envisioned by Karl Marx hasn't been tried
Austrian School: Because of the big evil government
Q: Ok but why do crisis's occur in the first place.
Austrian School: Because of big evil government
Q: Ok, so in short, you got no clue why crisis's occur?
Austrian School: NO! I DO KNOW! Its the EVIL GOVERNMENT, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE ANSWER (followed by quoting Ronald Reagan by thinking he is a small government conservative)
Ron Paul is leftwing on the Iraq and Afghanistan intervention, Canadian on his legalising pot stance and Iranian in his defence of Israel. So, who doesn't laugh when his manic pixie supporters imagine he has a chance in a billion of ever becoming the Republican leader? His economic policies are extreme right wing but so what, this the Republican race?
Ron Paul isn't politics; Ron Paul is a Nazi John Lennon for conservative rich kids to listen to at university. It's their form of rebellion.
Everything is so corrupt. Our voices do not matter our actions will only imprison us. What do we do? And only one man has the determination to fix this, but his voice is being silenced because he is one of us, a person.
@PiercedEar I agree this is just disgraceful to everything America is SUPPOSED to stand for. If I was Ron Paul I woulda been pissed at that question and asked who said that and gave them a black eye, but he didn't nice calm cool and collected. Good leader qualities? You bet they are.
America can succeed from the white house property line in DC.
And institute Dr. Paul in a newly built white house...and cease the history and artifacts of the old white house.
Then we can take dynamite and Blow a huge Moat around the white house so pundits and lobbyist cant get out...and fill the moat with Gators, and motion censored ballistic Sharks.
Vote for motion censored ballistic sharks...vote RP 2012.
But seriously- Stop fucking around...and vote the good doctor in!!!
The MSM and the government are scared of him because he is becomming the people choice, Not the bankers and the oligarchy in power. With the advent of the internet it is apparent that they are scrambling to find a way to thwart his bid at the president by throwing every bit of mud they can to see what sticks, This transparency thing is backfiring on the powers that be and only ron paul is gaining because of it.
It's not only the MSM, the Republican party has treated Ron Paul like friggin' shit! If he isn't on the ticket in 2012, the GOP can kiss my vote goodbye!
@PiercedEar It depends on your State. VA doesn't allow write-ins, so I'll have to find a 3rd party, independent or not vote if Paul isn't on the ballot. At least I'll get to vote for him in the primary.
If Mr Paul gets the nomination you will see election fraud like no other. I think everybody has gotten sick of the Rhinocans whispering sweet nothings in their ears every two years and then raising their middle finger to their voters the day after they've been sworn in...
The Elite have placed mechanisms to deny Ron Paul his WH bid. They've authorized a foreign country to count the votes of the Iowa Caucus. Elron-Voxeo, an Israeli defense firm, will tally the votes of the Iowa Caucus. Why would they do this, especially when Israel doesn't want a RP presidency? Even if RP garners 98% of the votes they won't let him win.
How bout: "If Ron Paul wins Iowa, we'll take you and the rest of this corrupt ass-backwards shit of a failed system propped too long on carelessness and greed- For too long the sin of Greed has gone unpunished. Don't worry, WE shall bring you Justice. you can feel it in the air- your day of Reckoning is near!!! ...2012 We're coming strong!
The only people in America that don't want Ron Paul to become President are the Jews. It is now clear who the real enemy of America truly is. As the Roman statesman "Cicero" looked on as his great country was crumbling down around him, he set out to understand the cause of the destruction of his beloved country Rome and concluded it to be the work of the "Enemy Within". Those who are subverting and distorting the truth about RON PAUL and his message of LIBERTY and FREEDOM are the "Enemy Within".
First they ignore Ron Paul, then when Americans are supporting him they tried to discredit the Doctor with books and newsletters written over two decades ago. Desperation much?
If there's one thing CNN, MSNBC, and Faux have in common it's their fear and hatred for Ron Paul. It went from Cain, Gingrich, Ron Paul, but no dirt on Mitt Romney even though the guy flip-flops every week and bankrupted several of his companies? Good job MSM.
The way the MSM has treated Dr. Paul is disgusting. A truly pathetic attempt to discredit the man. Ron Paul is a living, breathing, founding father and will win in Iowa because the PEOPLE will choose their next leader, NOT the media. This is a WAR between a Constitutionalist and the Central Bankers. It is going to be one of the most important elections in U.S. history.
Ron Paul is not a true GOP Conservative. Ron Paul and his weirdo cult of losers are a bunch of nut jobs. I could never vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul believes Bush blew up the WTC Towers on 9-11. Ron Paul believes in Bigfoot and that Little Green Aliens in Spaceships are invading us. Ron Paul supports Terrorism against the USA. Ron Paul is a proven racist that America will not tolerate. Ron Paul is supported by the KKK and Neo-Nazi's. Ron Paul is a Sorry Ass Traitor. Let us say Amen.
I don't trust sound bites. I'm not even sure what point that guy was trying to make. His words didn't cohere into a cogent thought in the 16 seconds he was on camera.
Most Obama people I know like Ron Paul better than the other Republicans. Don't blame liberals for stacking the deck against Ron Paul - blame the Christian Conservatives that you will slavishly vote for when he loses.
The initial caucuses really don't mean anything in the scope of the lager picture. All they represent is "testing the waters" to see who looks the best at that moment. Whoever "wins" in Iowa gets an influx of money, but that's it. The results mean absolutely nothing and do not hold any relevance when the RNC convenes a few months later.
Or, to put it in language the Internet understands, not a single fuck will be given.
Sshhhh. Ron, the stuff they're talking about is exposing the fact that election years are large scale friendly sheep herding contests for the global power elite. Just say something about homos or blowing up brown ppl... gotta pander to the base and all....
Ron Paul has huge negatives: 44% of registered Republicans say they won't even consider voting for him (compare that with Romney at 16%). If he makes it into a general election against Obama he gets slaughtered. Sorry to all of you who have a crush on him, but he has zero chance of getting elected.
@dfgyuhdd Ron Paul running against Obama but losing would be optimal because it would put freedom on the public stage without giving the statists an excuse to blame their sinking titanic on capitalism.
It used to be one had to look hard to find anything about Ron Paul on the internet news. Then it would invariably say that Ron Paul couldn't possibly win because he is this, that or the other thing, then the article was immediately refuted by the comments section where his supporters would state that Ron Paul was just right for them. Now we have numerous articles daily and still, the comments immediately refute the lies. Why don't you just give up and wave a white flag mainstream media?
So after the caucus's each state is going to then have their vote on who they want as the nominee, nationally Ron Paul is not ranked high. He is below the top front runners by double digits so he is only leading really in Iowa. Therefore if Ron Paul wins Iowa, the question is does it really mean anything?
Those are very poor choice of words. However, I understand what he is trying to say. Pretty much Ron Paul has focused all of his time on Iowa, right now he is leading by a few percentage points in Iowa, however in every other caucus, he is behind by double digit percentage points and national polling averages show Ron Paul ranking far below Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, etc. CONTINUED
Man, there is no US media that actually puts out un-biased news. I thought CNN was a good news company, to find out the other day they were cutting parts of an interview with Ron Paul and making it seem like he "walked out" and got "frustrated".
what the FUCK?? I'm not the president of ron pauls fan club or anything, but this is BULLSHIT! Your opinion doesn't mean that you get to directly undermine democracy or the election, no matter who the candidate is PERIOD!
hell will freeze before ron paul gets the nomination, i don't see why the media should pay attention to him before he inevitably ends up 3rd party, to tease the front runners i guess? fox news doesn't like him, talk radio talks smack all the time, congressional republicans dont dare lend support, banks and big businesses continue to shy away, and that's the entire republican establishment. in order to turn to ron paul, their political structure would literally have to collapse in on itself.
has the MSM offered any good reasons for disregarding dr. paul as a candidate? i never hear any direct criticism of his plans, just "he's crazy", "he's nuts", "he's unelectable". i'd like specific reasons why the opinions of many americans should be so readily disregarded...
@thejuggernautbitch7 He's a nut case that doesn't believe in evolution or global warming. Sorry, but I want my president to be more intelligent than I am.
@Dyslexda If you actually read or listen to his stances on evolution they make perfect sense, much more than anyone who agrees wholeheartedly with it or is 100% against it. He basically just believes that as no one can really know for certain it's foolish to write off one side over the other.
The is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Evolution has been proven. People who say its 100% true are right because evolution is 100% true. Trying to find a middle ground and make up excuses like no one really knows is so ignorant and such an insult to scientists and biologists. Its amazing how ignorant we have become as a country to just attack science and scientific evidence. Ron Paul is wrong, and he denied evolution publicly, its on video.
@Dyslexda well you dont have to worry because Dr. Paul is way smarter then you will never be. Global warming? where the hell have you been? This has been the biggest money gobbing hoax of all time with Al Gore's hands all over it !! Investing in carbon tax companies, Newt promoting it with Pelosi and he never came out and said that was the worse thing he did because the "cats out of the bag"!! Go online and get your news and stop watching the news on TV.
You are an idiot. Denying Global Warming is like denying Evolution. Oh wait, Ron Paul denies Evolution so, really his opinion doesn't matter. Its not a money gobbling Hoax, nearly every scientist in the scientific community knows Global Warming and climate change is real. I get my news online just like Dyslexda, we just don't get it from people who deny global warming and evolution and are idiots like the information you get
@Dyslexda oh and how is he a nut case? Because he wants to end wars, end the fed, give every american there freedom back, wants to lower presidents salary from 400k a year to 39k, fight our wars here in the USA not other wars we cant afford? I'm sorry but your nuts to think that anyone else out there is willing to do that. The others are bought and paid for and will do what they are told to do... Do your homework because you arent smart one bit.
I agree with a lot of Ron Paul's policies but I disagree with a lot as well. If I want to support a politician who is honest and consistant and wants to end the wars, audit and/or end the Fed, give every American their freedom back, and fight wars and problems in the USA, I will just support Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, and Bernie Sanders
The salary thing is good but to me it doesn't matter. Ron Paul already makes millions off of his racist investment letters and makes 100s of thousands of dollars off of being a doctor so it doesn't bother him. The salary thing doesn't bother me, I would rather have a politician be making a good amount of money providing for the people, and helping the country then making less money and providing nothing and hurting the country.
Ron Paul also wants to go back to the Gold Standard and gold coins which is very outdated and no legitimate economist thinks that is good, Gold Standard caused problems in the past which is why we got out of it. Ron Paul rather protect the rights of business's to discriminate based off of sexual orientation and race than protecting human rights, Ron Paul signed and drafted a plan that will be a federal plan to limit women rights, etc.
@cinemafreak666 You are uninformed on his policies and stands on the issues. The Gold Standard existed up until 1971. That meant the Federal Reserve couldn't just print money. It needed to be backed by something. The value of the dollar will drop as the debt increases and this will cause hyper-inflation. It's happened many times before in history. That's why the founders of the Constitution wanted to prevent this scenario.
No "legitimate economist" considers gold-standard because they're all bought & paid for by the government & banks who benefit MASSIVELY by having the power to "create money" which is STEALING people's purchasing-power without them even noticing, the most pernicious types of ROBBERY. If people economically enslaved to the ruling class thru a government monopoly on money then it's only a matter of time before they lose rest of the freedoms & that's happening already
I am not in favor of the Federal Reserve, I am not in favor really of money period. Money is man made and it is all a hoax. Gold had value because people put value in it. The Gold Standard did fail, there wasn't a conspiracy to take out the gold standard. I dislike bankers as do many people including progressives and liberals. Many people oppose the federal reserve including progressives and liberals, that doesn't mean our option should be the gold standard though
Money is ESSENTIAL to civilized societies because without it people are left with barter which stagnates trade & prosperity due to problem of "coincidence of wants" (please google it), the problem lies with money that can be controlled by a few.
No, what we'd was a PHONY gold-standard, all it was price-fixing, it $20/oz then they created more money & then they revalued it to $35 & then created more money & then they got rid of the "hindrance" for good (1)
Really! But that's true for everything! And why do they value it? Why numerous civilizations around the globe chose it as MONEY? People've used beans, tobacco, salt & many other things as "money" but gold wins over because its supply is very limited which helps contain inflation & therefore people's PURCHASING-POWER is NOT lost like all the other things supply of which is far greater (2)
Further, less supply also means that a small amount of it can store huge purchasing-power, which also makes it easily transportable & easily storable, its durability also helps its fuction as money, its fungible so easily exchanged, malleable & divisible & not to mention, its shininess makes it eye-catching, all of these features TOGETHER (not the least short-supply & powerful store of purchasing-power) make it the one of the best things to be used as money. (3)
Again, why has everyone been running towards gold? It's because it's supply is limited & hence it holds purchsing-power well while all the toilet-paper-currencies are losing their value/purchasing-power quickly; it's simple supply & demand, govts around are "creating" more & more of their currencies & bringing their value down & just like when supply of tomatoes is high, its prices are low, currencies are losing value but gold's supply doesn't increase so fast (4)
Yes, Gold did stick around and things like Tobacco, beans did die out as a use of currency. But guess what, Gold died out as well. Its not our money anymore nor is it the rest of the worlds. Nearly ever society has adapted to paper currency so Gold died out just like the beans, tobacco, salt, etc. And Gold isn't coming back either.
Gold didn't die out, it was KILLED by many govts BANNING its public from keeping it, leaving them open to ROBBERY by govts & banks thru currency-devalution/inflation. And that combined with tools of mass-indoctrination that public-education as well as mass-media are, people were brainwashed into forgeting role of gold as money, central-banks dumped huge amounts of gold in 80s to reduce its price to convince people monopoly-money was bettter as money (1)
But guess what, gold they could dump on the market (to suppress it price) was limited so they ran out & since then gold has risen & risen & risen, now that their toilet-paper-pyramid is collapsing. It was said that Bretton-Woods wouldn't last & it didn't & it was said that this paper-pyramid wouldn't last & it's now on it's last legs, they know it so they're now hoping centralize monetary-power even more thru a GLOBAL CURRENCY - it's called "Special-Drawing-Rights" (2)
Gold could dump on the market and Gold could screw up the economy and other economies as well like it has in the past. There is no global currency, you are quoting conspiracy theorists who have all been debunked.
Paper-money is what's crewing the people while enriching govt overlords, big banks & plutocrats that rule them; if you can't see that then.....
Google "Special Drawing Rights", you can do that much can't you? It's a global currency issued by IMF. Economic centralization of power is essential to political centralization, you can even see that with EU, national sovereignty of those countries becomes void but good things is that centralization is failing
Wow, again, more talk about indoctrination and other conspiracy bull shit. You wont get anyone's respect if you keep talking like this. Gold was limited at first and then banned in some areas as a form of currency due to the fact that Gold fucked up many of these peoples economies and were slowing their economic growth and recoveries down. Gold failed which is why people ended up moving on.
"Gold fucked up many of these peoples economies and were slowing their economic growth and recoveries down. Gold failed which is why people ended up moving on"
Gold did what it was supposed to do, limit govts & banks ability to "create money" at will (& thereby STEAL purchasing-power), that's why it evolved as store of purchasing-power & as is obvious STILL IS. The fact is that corrupt govts & banks EVERYWHERE kept on "conjuring" more money than they'd gold
Okay, money is essential, that may be. However, I disagree that money shouldn't be as an important factor as it is right now in today's world. Every single thing in our lives requires money. Therefore we need money to live. I think it has become a burden for us because money has ended up controlling everyone's lives.
Well, you were the one saying we don't. Of course, it's essential that's what I've said that's why it has to be something that can't just be created out of thin air by governments or anyone else for that matter.
"money has ended up controlling everyone's lives"
Because governments & central-banks control it & in unison devalue it & STEAL people's purchasing-power without them even realizing.
But I changed my mind on it and made a point though that, money controls our lives so much that we need it to live and that is something that shouldn't be happening
Money has ended up controlling everyone's live snot because of government.Central bank control could be accurate but don't blame it on the entire system of government. Greed is the problem, selfishness is the issue, and power is the issue.Corrupted politicians and its private corporate friends are the issue
The Gold Standard is flawed and it failed and the bankers and the federal reserve took advantage of the failure to place in another flawed monetary system which is the federal reserve. Pretty much congress loses their power to control money like its stated in the constitution and they give it to the bankers.
A REAL gold-standard would be one where currency is denominated in weights of gold rather than fixing its price to arbitrary amount of "toilet -paper".
Congress NEVER had power to control money, Constitution clearly says in section 1, article 8 that Congress can COIN money ie to STANDARDIZE it, there was a debate about NOT giving Congress power to issue money as many Founders had seen how Continental Congress abused it just like ALL governments do
Congress had power to coin, money and regulate it so it had power even if it wasn't to create money. However, still, the government still has power to produce out currencies. As stated by the U.S. Treasury Department.
Well, you talked about the Constitution so lets leave the "Treasury Dept" out of it (which is owned by banks & plutocrats anyway, just like pretty much the whole of the govt)
Money were NOT a creation of the govt but a necessity born out of the socio-economic evolution. As I've said, it is essential to civilized societies & for trade & prosperity & continued growth.
Please read this after fixing URL - mises(dot)org /books /originsmoney (dot)pdf
"Producing all currency" ---- which line says that ----- usconstitution (dot) net
As I've said, there was a debate about NOT giving the Congress the power to issue money & looking at the way Continental Congress devalued currency, they did NOT give that power to Congress, they were "hard money" people, that is, gold & silver
The belief that govt which comprises of some of the most corrupt people should've such HUGE power -shrugs-
The treasury department is constitutional though. It was established one or two years after the constitution was created. It is legal and constitutional. Many people didn't favor gold and silver. Many of the founding fathers and federalists supported the idea of paper currency. Which is what we have as well as every country today has. Congress has power to coin money and regulate it and the U.S. treasury has the power to produce money, all this is constitutional.
@cinemafreak666 Man, im trying to read your comments (trying, as im not american) and im very impressed and i like many of the things you say a lot. Congratulations, you have a great mind, i hope you are having a great life also, i need a girlfriend.. lol. What i wanted to say is that i think i heard somewhere ( Ron paul maybe) criticizing that the power to coin money had been put into private hands, altought you seem to know better than ..almost anyone, contact ron paul is the best you could do
"The treasury department is constitutional though"
Just because it is Constitutional does NOT mean it can do whatever or whatever it says supercedes the Constitution. If whatever Treasury says could supercede the Constitution then what would be the point having the Constitution in the first place!
"Many of the founding fathers and federalists supported the idea of paper currency"
Is that a joke?
"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself"
"The truth is, that capital may be produced by industry, and accumulated by economy; but jugglers only will propose to create it by legerdemain tricks with paper."
---- Thomas Jefferson author of Declaration of Independence
But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them.”
--- George Washington, commander-in-chief of Continental Army
“Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice.”
--- George Washington, commander-in-chief of Continental Army
"Paper money is unjust. It is unconstitutional, for it affects the rights of property as much as taking away equal value in land"
--- James Madison, chief architect of the Constitution
Advising on domestic and international financial, monetary, economic, trade and tax policy (fiscal policy being the sum of these, and the ultimate responsibility of Congress);
watch?v=A5nGCpzel6o <<< He saw a 9/11-like event coming in 1998, he foresaw the Housing Bubble ages ago & there's more....isn't that enough intelligence for a president? None of the candidates understand political & economic issues like he does.
His belief in evolution is irrelevant because he doesn't believe in government-controlled "education" (mass-indoctrination), he supports a voucher-system where all schools will be private but government will bear the expenses.
I agree with Ron Paul on many things but I disagree with him on many things as well. Ron Paul wasn't the only person who predicted that housing bubble and the wars and 9/11. Many economists, mostly Keynesian economists predicted the economic bubble and many progressives predicted 9/11 and the wars being a problem and costing us as well.
His belief in evolution should matter because evolution is a proven fact.
I'm sure some others predicted it too, including Keynsians but there's no doubting the fact that the global banking system today runs on Keynesian thought of inflation & inflation & more inflation (& banks rejoice while people have their purchasing-power stolen)& that's exactly what brought the catastrophe. He was a man who explained away boom-bust-cycle by "animal spirits" (how scholarly!) while the real problem lies in fractional-reserve-banking & money-monopoly
I understand the problem is the fractional reserve banking and money monopoly, but Keynesian Economics and Keynesian theories are not based off of inflation.More Keynesian economics predicted the economic collapse more than any other type of economist. We live in a system where inflation happens. Even with Gold, you can get inflation.Keynesian economics has nothing to do with inflation nor is Keynesian thought pro-inflation or requires inflation. So you are wrong on that.
Keynesianism is ALL ABOUT INFLATION, because it supports communist/socialist theory that governemnt should control money & its belief in government-control of INTEREST-RATES is what creates bubbles due to over-expansion of credit & then as I've said before, over-expansion leads to lending TOO MUCH & then some borrowers default causing a bit of "domino-effect" which causes panic among banks, they stop lending & then money shrinks to its natural lever with recession
Not, you are wrong, Keynesian economics HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INFLATION, IT IS NOT ABOUT INFLATION. It does not support communist/socialist theories that government should control money and INTEREST RATES. Again you don't understand what Keynesian economics is about.
What you are talking about is a Monetarist and Supply Side economic policy not Keynesian economics. You are getting it all wrong and mixed up.
Seriously, where di you come from, pal? The whole world practices Keynesian economics & Keynesianism dictates that central-banking overlords should set interest-rates rather than allowing forces of supply & demand work it out in the market; & keeps FAILING over & over because CENTRAL-PLANNING DOES NOT WORK.
Yes, Keynesianism IS communist/socialist because it supports CENTRAL-PLANNING which has failed everywhere miserably.
What you are describing about banks and the creation of bubbles borrowing, interest rates, etc. None of this has anything to do with communism and socialism this is pure capitalism and one of the many issues with it.
"Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes and, therefore, advocates active policy responses by the public sector, including monetary policy actions by the central bank and fiscal policy actions by the government to stabilize output over the business cycle economics."
"Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes and, therefore, advocates active policy responses by the public sector, including monetary policy actions by the central bank and fiscal policy actions by the government to stabilize output over the business cycle economics."
I didn't say there'd be no inflation with a gold-standard but it'd be extremely low because gold's supply grows very slowly as producing it entails REAL EXPENSES, it can't just be "created" by putting a few numbers in a book or on a computer like today's FICTIONAL MONEY works. Of course, gold-standard alone won't reduce inflation, full-reserve-banking (lending only time-deposits) would be necessary as it puts systemic restrictions on over-expansion of credit.
Okay but the point is that you are accusing Keynsian economics as being inflation driven and it supporting inflation when inflation happens even under the Gold Standard. And again enough with this fictional money comments. Money is all fictional, humans put value into it, therefore the fictional money that you hate is real money.
"the point is that you are accusing Keynsian economics as being inflation driven and it supporting inflation when inflation happens even under the Gold Standard"
No, bubbles happen because of creation of excess credit, which is caused by fractional-reserve-banking as well as manipulation of interest-rates done by central-banks without regard to the market-forces. I've already said, it was NOT "gold-standard" but PHONY price-fixing scam by govt.
"Money is all fictional, humans put value into it, therefore the fictional money that you hate is real money"
The cost of $100-bill is about 4-5 cents - that's why it's fictional;
banks create money by putting numbers on their books or computers - that's fictional money
These things are taken at "face value" unlike gold, the production of which requires real expenditure & that expenditure determines its value & purchasing-power
The reason I've said his belief in evolution is irrelevant because he doesn't wish to IMPOSE it on others thru scam called public education. After all, everyone should've freedom of thought, facts should be brought forth thru discussions & if some don't agree, it doesn't matter, in the long-run, truth needs no proof but use of FORCE & suppression for any reason can't be justified.
Anyways, there's no "perfect candidate".BTW, how many candidates are anti-Fed?
Public Education is a scam? Ww, if you want reality and society to accept you and accept Libertarians, you need to not think in that kind of absurd way. Indoctrination happens all the time even without public education. It happens more in the private life of individuals than in the hands of public education. There is no force and suppression
Ok, let's keep it simple. Who controls public-education - govt, who owns corrupt govt - powerful interests who seek use govt's enormous power for their self-interest. Soooooo, who controls public-education?
Again, the belief that corrupt individuals in the govt are going to set public-education in the interest of people at large, this belief is so bereft of reality...but apparently, it only shows power of indoctrination right from a young age (1)
Nowhere have I said that public-education is the "only" indoctrination, have I said it? NO, it's just that it's the WORST kind of indoctrination as it allowed the ruling-class to "program" the masses to their taste.
People's behavior & thought-processes are greatly affected by their environment so the policy is to 'get'em young', look Marx's Communist Manifesto - one of 10 points is......public education........and guess what.....monopoly-money controlled by the govt (2)
No where have I said that you think public education is the "only" indoctrination. But you said that public education is indoctrination. Which reading your post further confirms it, you just called public education indoctrination and above all the WORST kind of indoctrination. Of course, you are 100% wrong on this but I don't expect anything other than crazy. Public education existed way before Karl Marx. Again, it has nothing to do at getting at them young.
No where in Marx's Manifesto does it say monopoly-money controlled by government. Marx doesn't like government and wants a stateless and classless society.
"No where in Marx's Manifesto does it say monopoly-money controlled by government"
Seriously, have you heard of Google? PLEASE google "Communist Manifesto", which includes 10 points by Karl Marx, one of which was public education, another one was govt-controlled centralized monopoly over money.
Don't believe me, just Google it & see for yourself.
Once again, you have no evidence to back any of this. Public education is not an indoctrination, there is no elitists and power interest groups dictating and indoctrination everyone's children, you need to get a life and stop watching Alex Jones.
What does government have to prove? Government is not making profit from public education. There is no reason for them to not be in the interest of people. On the other hand private education is selective so it can indoctrinate
They say what really mattered in Iowa was second and third. Guess who that is?
RON PAUL 2012!
Lishy1 1 month ago
RON PAUL has many stones in his sack and a sling shot in his hand. "Look Out Goliath...you've already been struck!"
q1w2e3r467 1 month ago
You seem to be under impression that,"free market = giving power to business" while the thing is that under free market the only "power" they've is to sell their products WITHOUT violating people's life, liberty & property, if they violate it then people can protest & retaliate but same can't be said about govt since govt has "LEGAL" authority, it can violate people's rights (often at the behest of rich & powerful) & its harder to protest & retaliate against it because govt makes all the "rules"
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Wow, you really posted all of that? I copied and pasted stuff because I wasn't going to waste a few hours of my life writing down every single word until it reaches over four pages worth. Im officially done having this argument, its going to just go on forever.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Its not worth it. You can sit on your ass all day and night and do this shit but I have a job and a life. Just know that, you aren't proving anyone wrong, until your beliefs ever happen in real life. then there's no reason to trust you. The day that we go back to the real Gold Standard and your ideology becomes official for the first time in real life history, that is the day I'll start looking more into Austrian School of Economics.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"you aren't proving anyone wrong, until your beliefs ever happen in real life"
That's like saying that those who said that Earth is a sphere were wrong until everyone accepted that it wasn't flat but a sphere or that involuntary servitude was justifiable until the majority around the world accepted that it wasn't.
Things should stands on reason, not depending on who & how many believe they're right or wrong.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
It's alright if you don't wish to respond, you've that freedom but I'll definitely like to rid you of the misconception that videos like "money masters", "wizard of oz",etc are peddling around that treasury/govt "pays interest to Fed" & that's why we've this debt & things would be better if govt could print its own money - ok, so what next? What does Fed do with with all that money? Do they take it home? NO......guess what.....Fed handsover all of its "profits" TO TREASURY (1)
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
So Treasury/govt "paying" interest to Fed is MERELY AN ACCOUNTING PROCEDURE since the money COMES BACK to Treasury anyway, plus, the Fed's profits not only includes interest SUPPOSEDLY "paid" by Treasury but also other incomes of Fed like interest they've earned on loans given to banks, etc so there are times when Fed hands over MORE in "profits" to Treasury than it SUPPOSEDLY "paid"
And as usual, you can verify it by going to Fed's website or calling up Treasury or whatever (2)
tjtomkins 1 month ago
So what all these videos are peddling is PURE NONSENSE. We're NOT in so much debt "because Fed charges interest to Treasury/govt" but for the simple fact that like people everywhere, people in govt are self-interested & they've power to rob. Raising taxes is unpopular so they raise money for welfare & warfare thru debt to keep BUYING gullible people's votes. And if govt had power to DIRECTLY "create" money, tthey'd've created so much of it that US-dollar would've been worth Zimbabwean-dollar (3)
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
As for gold-standard, again, it was a PHONY "gold-standard" that we had, it was MONOPOLY where govt fixed a price then devalued currency & so on.
Can private mints debase their coins? Of course but there'd be no monopoly so as all markets work, people would reject bad coins & those mints will go down, simple freedom to choose & select, & COMPETITION would deal with it
Not to mention, there'd be "electronic money" denominated in grams/oz so not like you'd've to carry coins around
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Wow, I sent you two tiny messages and you still come back and respond with 5 comments each being huge rants. What the hell is wrong with you? Get a life. I don't care what you say anyways. You can demonize my sources (wizard of oz, etc) but they are still more professional and actually work in this kind of field and you don't, instead you are probably jobless and waste all your time posting bull shit on youtube.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Not only have I posted my own comments and statements but I copied and pasted countless information from professionals and scholars that debunked and took down every statement that you said including the statements that you are saying now that have to be 5 pages. All you are doing is just repeating the same thing and using different words at times and that is all. This is going to do nothing and lead nowhere. Get a life you are wrong.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Until your system is tried which it has never been tried anytime through out history and until scholars and people actually take your kinds of thoughts and view of economics and takes the Austrian School of economics seriously, which no one does. Then your ideas mean nothing to me. Your views have been debunked several times and I have debunked them through posting quotes from professionals and scholars who are in the field. This is going no where, just get a life
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
Again, you just can't see that there's NO DIFFERENCE between govt & pvt sector, they're BOTH made up of self-interested people. Yes, can pvt sector trample people's liberties, yes, but it has no "LEGAL" authority to do that while govt does.
I want govt's powers to be limited to prosecuting those who violate others' life, liberty & property AND I want govt to be PAID by people according to their performance like pvt sector; if govt has power to "LEGALLY" ROB then there's little incentive for them
tjtomkins 1 month ago
Let me clarify that I do NOT believe that prv sector is less corrupt than govt since BOTH comprise self-interested individuals BUT one MAJOR difference is that govt can LEGALLY rob & suppress people while pvt sector has no such authority.
As a minarchist, I do expect govt to be an arbitrator (NOT RULERS) to protect every person's right to life, liberty & property BUT they'd be paid VOLUNTARILY by people, based on their service, rather than them being able to "legally" ROB thru taxes & inflation
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Government can legally rob and suppress people but so can the private sector. Giving them so much power and authority allows them to dictate policies and politicians. Therefore allowing those people in the private sector to help create law sand suppress people.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"Government can legally rob and suppress people but so can the private sector"
But govt can do it "LEGALLY" & legitimise it.
"Giving them so much power and authority allows them to dictate policies and politicians"
What power? The biggest power in the hands of the pvt sector is the ability to bribe & buy out & thereby use GOVT'S POWER to their benefit, which leads to favoritism & kills competition, at the expense of the people.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
Most so called "economists", are either too dumb or too corrupt, otherwise they'd understand that economics is about supply & demand & prices are products of supply of & demand for goods/services, which are continuously fluctuating as they represent people's expectations, which are dynamic hence the real economists would recognize the obvious that govts should NOT control money & interest. But again, popular "experts" are only meant to convince the masses to concede power to ruling-class.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Wow, the idiot Ron Paul Austrian School follower is calling most economists stupid or corrupt. Yep, those scholars who make a living working in the economy and talking about economics sure are dumb and/or corrupt. This is coming from the youtube guy who has no life and followers the ideology (Austrian School of Economics) that has not been tried once throughout history.
Economy is much more than just the supply and demand of goods and services.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"the idiot Ron Paul Austrian School follower is calling most economists stupid or corrupt"
Let's think about it, why govt & politicians are so corrupt? Because only those who engage in favoritism to rich & powerful get into power & such people are obviously corrupt. The same holds true, in most cases, with any other "public" aspects, only those who push things that are beneficial to rich & powerful get all the money & limelight - Keynes is obvious example
tjtomkins 1 month ago
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"This is coming from the youtube guy who has no life and followers the ideology (Austrian School of Economics) that has not been tried once throughout history."
That's called APPEAL TO AUTHORITY, a view should NOT be considered "right" because so & so big shot thinks that way or that majority thinks that way; & just because a view is in the minority does NOT make it wrong, many things including the spherical nature of Earth was once considered "wrong"
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"Economy is much more than just the supply and demand of goods and services."
Well, to anyone who's willing to use reason & logic it's NOTHING BUT supply & demand. All the complexities are introduced to dupe the gullible, just like the mystics & magicians duping & scamming people with their trickery
tjtomkins 1 month ago
As I've said before, "interest" is the "price of lending/borrowing money" & just like many govts in the past found out that govts are INCAPABLE of dictacting prices in the market because prices are products of supply & demand for goods/services which are organic & dynamic forces which CAN'T be predicted by govt & central-banks so when they control interest-rates & moneysupply, they inevitably err causing "mal-investment" which the market will naturally look to liquidate thru recession
tjtomkins 1 month ago
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
It's important to understand the CAUSES to fine reasonable solutions
BEFORE the crises there's always a period of over-expansion of credit due to fractional & central banking where banks over-lend & invariably to many unsound borrowers, which inevitably default causing bank-panics & then then banks lend cautiously & since money is created when loans are given, less loans equals to shrinking of moneysupply, which is an attempt of the markets to bring INFLATED prices down to natural levels
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Recessions usually result from excess capacity, when supply exceeds demand. When the economy is expanding, businesses build factories, buy inventory, and hire staff. But businesses often misgauge the market’s long-term appetite. When anticipated demand falls short, businesses respond by closing plants, firing workers, and discounting merchandise.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"Recessions usually result from excess capacity, when supply exceeds demand. When the economy is expanding, businesses build factories, buy inventory, and hire staff. But businesses often misgauge the market’s long-term appetite."
But you miss the point that businesses overproduce due to "cheap-money" created by banks & govts thru fractional-reserve-banking, WITHOUT this manipulation, there'd be no "cheap-credit" so no "excess capacity" so no recessions
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
As the downturn spreads, it becomes contagious, discouraging job growth, spending, and investment. Today’s economy suffers in part from excess housing capacity, which drove down home prices before rippling through the rest of the economy.
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
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"Today’s economy suffers in part from excess housing capacity, which drove down home prices before rippling through the rest of the economy"
What CAUSED this "excess housing capacity"? It's the Fed issuing cheap-credit partly to pay off govt-debt cheaply, plus, Freddie & Fanny easy housing-loans, Community-Reinvestment-Act mandating banks to offer cheap-loans, FDIC essentially ensuring banks-failures with taxpayers money - there's govt everywhere
tjtomkins 1 month ago
Keynes no clue about exactly how crises occur so no wonder his solution is simply to create more inflation & rob people of their purchasing-power.
It's like going to a doctor to claims to have the remedy but.....doesn't know what the disease is & what caused it.
Others, like Mises, Rothbard & Hayek (Nobel prize winner in 70s, but it has lost its value now that even Obama go it!) have described how & why crises occur but there idea aren't considered by govt because it won't benefit govt & banks
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Making up stupid false questions and answers about Keynes doesn't mean that Keynes doesn't know how crisis's occur. Keynes has said several times why crisis's occur. He has given tons of logic, he is also a Novel Prize Winner and a winner of several other awards. He is the most influential economist since Adam Smith. His economic theories were used for the first 70 years of the 19th century, it declined for two or three decades and then became mainstream again
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"Keynes has said several times why crisis's occur"
He said they occur due to ANIMAL SPIRITS *facepalm*
"he is also a Novel Prize Winner "
So did Obama lmao, as I've said already, it's not necessarily a reflection of anything other than the opinion of those choosing the winner
"He is the most influential economist"
He ought to be.........since he asked for centralizing money in the hands of rich & the powerful! *rols eyes*
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek, are so unreliable and unrealistic that they are equivalent to Karl Marx. Marx and his communist Manifesto while was a popular philosophical book, it was unrealistic for reality. The ideology of Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek has never been tried just like True Communism as envisioned by Karl Marx hasn't been tried
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"The ideology of Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek has never been tried just like True Communism as envisioned by Karl Marx hasn't been tried"
There's a BIG difference between the two things.
Marx's ideology is utopian since it disregards obvervable fact that people are self-interested, not to mention it's based on violent means
While Austrian Economics is about freedom & letting people choose rather than a FEW "honest angelic" politicians & govt dictating things
tjtomkins 1 month ago
Keynes in short -:
Q - Why do crises occur?
Keynes - Umm...they just happen...& THEN govt & central-banks must create inflation & blah blah blah...
Q - Ok but why do crises occur in the first place?
Keynes - Umm...animal spirits...yeah...animal spirits...& THEN govts & banks must create inflation &....
Q - Ok, so in short, you've no clue why crises occur?
Keynes - Umm....yeah...that's pretty much it I guess...but I know how to solve them!
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Q: Why Do Crisis's Occur?
Austrian School: Because of the big evil government
Q: Ok but why do crisis's occur in the first place.
Austrian School: Because of big evil government
Q: Ok, so in short, you got no clue why crisis's occur?
Austrian School: NO! I DO KNOW! Its the EVIL GOVERNMENT, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE ANSWER (followed by quoting Ronald Reagan by thinking he is a small government conservative)
cinemafreak666 1 month ago
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Ron Paul is leftwing on the Iraq and Afghanistan intervention, Canadian on his legalising pot stance and Iranian in his defence of Israel. So, who doesn't laugh when his manic pixie supporters imagine he has a chance in a billion of ever becoming the Republican leader? His economic policies are extreme right wing but so what, this the Republican race?
Ron Paul isn't politics; Ron Paul is a Nazi John Lennon for conservative rich kids to listen to at university. It's their form of rebellion.
Englishgrammar 2 months ago
So this is why they fixed Iowa? So this guy wouldn't scrap it?..... Ron Paul 2012- Because were sick of these douches.
Trolling4RonPaul2012 2 months ago
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How do We The People change this?
Everything is so corrupt. Our voices do not matter our actions will only imprison us. What do we do? And only one man has the determination to fix this, but his voice is being silenced because he is one of us, a person.
I believe in Liberty and ~RonPaul2012.
NinnyStorm 2 months ago
so, they tell us to our faces,,that we dont matter...they just take it out.. Ron Paul 2012!
PiercedEar 2 months ago 2
@PiercedEar I agree this is just disgraceful to everything America is SUPPOSED to stand for. If I was Ron Paul I woulda been pissed at that question and asked who said that and gave them a black eye, but he didn't nice calm cool and collected. Good leader qualities? You bet they are.
Dangazzm 2 months ago
America can succeed from the white house property line in DC.
And institute Dr. Paul in a newly built white house...and cease the history and artifacts of the old white house.
Then we can take dynamite and Blow a huge Moat around the white house so pundits and lobbyist cant get out...and fill the moat with Gators, and motion censored ballistic Sharks.
Vote for motion censored ballistic sharks...vote RP 2012.
But seriously- Stop fucking around...and vote the good doctor in!!!
MrManboobie 2 months ago
The MSM and the government are scared of him because he is becomming the people choice, Not the bankers and the oligarchy in power. With the advent of the internet it is apparent that they are scrambling to find a way to thwart his bid at the president by throwing every bit of mud they can to see what sticks, This transparency thing is backfiring on the powers that be and only ron paul is gaining because of it.
TheStrazy 2 months ago
It's not only the MSM, the Republican party has treated Ron Paul like friggin' shit! If he isn't on the ticket in 2012, the GOP can kiss my vote goodbye!
2012JohnGalt 2 months ago
@2012JohnGalt But, can't we write in his name if he isnt on the ticket?? otherwise what do we end up with?
PiercedEar 2 months ago
@PiercedEar It depends on your State. VA doesn't allow write-ins, so I'll have to find a 3rd party, independent or not vote if Paul isn't on the ballot. At least I'll get to vote for him in the primary.
2012JohnGalt 2 weeks ago
The media can suck it.
RON PAUL 2012!!
anthonydo503 2 months ago 3
The media is pathetic. People know it. And more are waking up to it everyday. Ron Paul 2012!
emetts2112 2 months ago 4
If Mr Paul gets the nomination you will see election fraud like no other. I think everybody has gotten sick of the Rhinocans whispering sweet nothings in their ears every two years and then raising their middle finger to their voters the day after they've been sworn in...
150grnballistictip 2 months ago 2
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Stalinkid42 2 months ago
The Elite have placed mechanisms to deny Ron Paul his WH bid. They've authorized a foreign country to count the votes of the Iowa Caucus. Elron-Voxeo, an Israeli defense firm, will tally the votes of the Iowa Caucus. Why would they do this, especially when Israel doesn't want a RP presidency? Even if RP garners 98% of the votes they won't let him win.
joe80dman 2 months ago
How bout: "If Ron Paul wins Iowa, we'll take you and the rest of this corrupt ass-backwards shit of a failed system propped too long on carelessness and greed- For too long the sin of Greed has gone unpunished. Don't worry, WE shall bring you Justice. you can feel it in the air- your day of Reckoning is near!!! ...2012 We're coming strong!
soulfeltart 2 months ago 5
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The only people in America that don't want Ron Paul to become President are the Jews. It is now clear who the real enemy of America truly is. As the Roman statesman "Cicero" looked on as his great country was crumbling down around him, he set out to understand the cause of the destruction of his beloved country Rome and concluded it to be the work of the "Enemy Within". Those who are subverting and distorting the truth about RON PAUL and his message of LIBERTY and FREEDOM are the "Enemy Within".
HiawathaMohawk 2 months ago
First they ignore Ron Paul, then when Americans are supporting him they tried to discredit the Doctor with books and newsletters written over two decades ago. Desperation much?
If there's one thing CNN, MSNBC, and Faux have in common it's their fear and hatred for Ron Paul. It went from Cain, Gingrich, Ron Paul, but no dirt on Mitt Romney even though the guy flip-flops every week and bankrupted several of his companies? Good job MSM.
irrelevance90 2 months ago
That fucker on msnbc really needs food poisoning.
Keepseeker 2 months ago 3
Ron Paul you got my vote
yoohoo888ur 2 months ago
The way the MSM has treated Dr. Paul is disgusting. A truly pathetic attempt to discredit the man. Ron Paul is a living, breathing, founding father and will win in Iowa because the PEOPLE will choose their next leader, NOT the media. This is a WAR between a Constitutionalist and the Central Bankers. It is going to be one of the most important elections in U.S. history.
kingcopy11 2 months ago 17
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Ron Paul is not a true GOP Conservative. Ron Paul and his weirdo cult of losers are a bunch of nut jobs. I could never vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul believes Bush blew up the WTC Towers on 9-11. Ron Paul believes in Bigfoot and that Little Green Aliens in Spaceships are invading us. Ron Paul supports Terrorism against the USA. Ron Paul is a proven racist that America will not tolerate. Ron Paul is supported by the KKK and Neo-Nazi's. Ron Paul is a Sorry Ass Traitor. Let us say Amen.
runningchance 2 months ago
I don't trust sound bites. I'm not even sure what point that guy was trying to make. His words didn't cohere into a cogent thought in the 16 seconds he was on camera.
TheThomaswastaken 2 months ago
BTW that guy's twitter who said that is @politcoroger make your voice heard...
Pprovo1 2 months ago
Fuck MSNBC, CNN,Fox .. these extremists took control of the media, the banks, and the politicans. Ron Paul is the candidate thats best for America
JigglesJingle 2 months ago 29
Most Obama people I know like Ron Paul better than the other Republicans. Don't blame liberals for stacking the deck against Ron Paul - blame the Christian Conservatives that you will slavishly vote for when he loses.
revdj 2 months ago
NO GUYS MSNBC IS UNBIASED OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
THEY LOVE OBAMA + SOCIALISM
hizzlemafizzle 2 months ago
Ron Paul or not at all.
ronpaulkid 2 months ago
The initial caucuses really don't mean anything in the scope of the lager picture. All they represent is "testing the waters" to see who looks the best at that moment. Whoever "wins" in Iowa gets an influx of money, but that's it. The results mean absolutely nothing and do not hold any relevance when the RNC convenes a few months later.
Or, to put it in language the Internet understands, not a single fuck will be given.
tehnoblerogue 2 months ago
Sshhhh. Ron, the stuff they're talking about is exposing the fact that election years are large scale friendly sheep herding contests for the global power elite. Just say something about homos or blowing up brown ppl... gotta pander to the base and all....
Ron Paul and nobody less 2012 baby!
cculb1 2 months ago 4
Ron Paul has huge negatives: 44% of registered Republicans say they won't even consider voting for him (compare that with Romney at 16%). If he makes it into a general election against Obama he gets slaughtered. Sorry to all of you who have a crush on him, but he has zero chance of getting elected.
dfgyuhdd 2 months ago
@dfgyuhdd McCain had lower poll rates at this point last time around. That doesn't mean anything.
Paul vs Obama would be terrifying for the establishment as Paul would destroy Obama.
Harboggles 2 months ago
@dfgyuhdd Ron Paul running against Obama but losing would be optimal because it would put freedom on the public stage without giving the statists an excuse to blame their sinking titanic on capitalism.
clemonsx90 2 months ago
@dfgyuhdd 44% against Obama or against other candidates? Poll in reference to primaries is not relevant in Presidential discussion.
Frankydp 2 months ago
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i123789i 2 months ago
I love watching the zionists and their puppets in complete panic mode.
metathus1488 2 months ago 4
@metathus1488 amen to that
fistful0fst33l 2 months ago
It used to be one had to look hard to find anything about Ron Paul on the internet news. Then it would invariably say that Ron Paul couldn't possibly win because he is this, that or the other thing, then the article was immediately refuted by the comments section where his supporters would state that Ron Paul was just right for them. Now we have numerous articles daily and still, the comments immediately refute the lies. Why don't you just give up and wave a white flag mainstream media?
maineronyt 2 months ago 2
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Non-rich people voting for Ron Paul is like a flock of chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
MiHiVidz 2 months ago
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So after the caucus's each state is going to then have their vote on who they want as the nominee, nationally Ron Paul is not ranked high. He is below the top front runners by double digits so he is only leading really in Iowa. Therefore if Ron Paul wins Iowa, the question is does it really mean anything?
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
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Those are very poor choice of words. However, I understand what he is trying to say. Pretty much Ron Paul has focused all of his time on Iowa, right now he is leading by a few percentage points in Iowa, however in every other caucus, he is behind by double digit percentage points and national polling averages show Ron Paul ranking far below Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, etc. CONTINUED
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cinemafreak666 2 months ago
Man, there is no US media that actually puts out un-biased news. I thought CNN was a good news company, to find out the other day they were cutting parts of an interview with Ron Paul and making it seem like he "walked out" and got "frustrated".
LordInglip 2 months ago
What is being implied that they will "just take it out?"
AndyMH182 2 months ago
god i love paul's response
wiiNoPity4You 2 months ago
Youtube, It's a :31 clip... Why does it take you over a minute to load it?
imagineinsanity 2 months ago
@imagineinsanity A lot of people are watching it, most likely.
AndyMH182 2 months ago
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Very ominous language by the MSM to say that they will "take it out". I wonder if that's supposed to be some kind of veiled threat.
tallswede80 2 months ago
turn off your tv sets
twags32689 2 months ago
what the FUCK?? I'm not the president of ron pauls fan club or anything, but this is BULLSHIT! Your opinion doesn't mean that you get to directly undermine democracy or the election, no matter who the candidate is PERIOD!
moediggity28 2 months ago
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hell will freeze before ron paul gets the nomination, i don't see why the media should pay attention to him before he inevitably ends up 3rd party, to tease the front runners i guess? fox news doesn't like him, talk radio talks smack all the time, congressional republicans dont dare lend support, banks and big businesses continue to shy away, and that's the entire republican establishment. in order to turn to ron paul, their political structure would literally have to collapse in on itself.
maximummask 2 months ago
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maximummask 2 months ago
@maximummask If you paid him better attention you might be better able to formulate your sentence syntax.
Orphaliman 2 months ago
@maximummask I can think of one reason, all the Republican candidates and Obama seem hell bent on starting another war.
sirmoran 2 months ago
has the MSM offered any good reasons for disregarding dr. paul as a candidate? i never hear any direct criticism of his plans, just "he's crazy", "he's nuts", "he's unelectable". i'd like specific reasons why the opinions of many americans should be so readily disregarded...
thejuggernautbitch7 2 months ago
@thejuggernautbitch7 He's a nut case that doesn't believe in evolution or global warming. Sorry, but I want my president to be more intelligent than I am.
Dyslexda 2 months ago
@Dyslexda You are out of luck until 2016 then. They are mostly religious nutz or scumbags of some flavor.
rampant0224 2 months ago
@Dyslexda If you actually read or listen to his stances on evolution they make perfect sense, much more than anyone who agrees wholeheartedly with it or is 100% against it. He basically just believes that as no one can really know for certain it's foolish to write off one side over the other.
CherryGarcia15 2 months ago
@CherryGarcia15
The is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Evolution has been proven. People who say its 100% true are right because evolution is 100% true. Trying to find a middle ground and make up excuses like no one really knows is so ignorant and such an insult to scientists and biologists. Its amazing how ignorant we have become as a country to just attack science and scientific evidence. Ron Paul is wrong, and he denied evolution publicly, its on video.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@Dyslexda well you dont have to worry because Dr. Paul is way smarter then you will never be. Global warming? where the hell have you been? This has been the biggest money gobbing hoax of all time with Al Gore's hands all over it !! Investing in carbon tax companies, Newt promoting it with Pelosi and he never came out and said that was the worse thing he did because the "cats out of the bag"!! Go online and get your news and stop watching the news on TV.
progolfer82 2 months ago 3
@progolfer82
You are an idiot. Denying Global Warming is like denying Evolution. Oh wait, Ron Paul denies Evolution so, really his opinion doesn't matter. Its not a money gobbling Hoax, nearly every scientist in the scientific community knows Global Warming and climate change is real. I get my news online just like Dyslexda, we just don't get it from people who deny global warming and evolution and are idiots like the information you get
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@Dyslexda oh and how is he a nut case? Because he wants to end wars, end the fed, give every american there freedom back, wants to lower presidents salary from 400k a year to 39k, fight our wars here in the USA not other wars we cant afford? I'm sorry but your nuts to think that anyone else out there is willing to do that. The others are bought and paid for and will do what they are told to do... Do your homework because you arent smart one bit.
progolfer82 2 months ago 5
@progolfer82
I agree with a lot of Ron Paul's policies but I disagree with a lot as well. If I want to support a politician who is honest and consistant and wants to end the wars, audit and/or end the Fed, give every American their freedom back, and fight wars and problems in the USA, I will just support Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, and Bernie Sanders
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@progolfer82
The salary thing is good but to me it doesn't matter. Ron Paul already makes millions off of his racist investment letters and makes 100s of thousands of dollars off of being a doctor so it doesn't bother him. The salary thing doesn't bother me, I would rather have a politician be making a good amount of money providing for the people, and helping the country then making less money and providing nothing and hurting the country.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@progolfer82
Ron Paul also wants to go back to the Gold Standard and gold coins which is very outdated and no legitimate economist thinks that is good, Gold Standard caused problems in the past which is why we got out of it. Ron Paul rather protect the rights of business's to discriminate based off of sexual orientation and race than protecting human rights, Ron Paul signed and drafted a plan that will be a federal plan to limit women rights, etc.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666 You are uninformed on his policies and stands on the issues. The Gold Standard existed up until 1971. That meant the Federal Reserve couldn't just print money. It needed to be backed by something. The value of the dollar will drop as the debt increases and this will cause hyper-inflation. It's happened many times before in history. That's why the founders of the Constitution wanted to prevent this scenario.
GotPsi1111 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
No "legitimate economist" considers gold-standard because they're all bought & paid for by the government & banks who benefit MASSIVELY by having the power to "create money" which is STEALING people's purchasing-power without them even noticing, the most pernicious types of ROBBERY. If people economically enslaved to the ruling class thru a government monopoly on money then it's only a matter of time before they lose rest of the freedoms & that's happening already
tjtomkins 2 months ago 2
@tjtomkins
I am not in favor of the Federal Reserve, I am not in favor really of money period. Money is man made and it is all a hoax. Gold had value because people put value in it. The Gold Standard did fail, there wasn't a conspiracy to take out the gold standard. I dislike bankers as do many people including progressives and liberals. Many people oppose the federal reserve including progressives and liberals, that doesn't mean our option should be the gold standard though
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
Money is ESSENTIAL to civilized societies because without it people are left with barter which stagnates trade & prosperity due to problem of "coincidence of wants" (please google it), the problem lies with money that can be controlled by a few.
No, what we'd was a PHONY gold-standard, all it was price-fixing, it $20/oz then they created more money & then they revalued it to $35 & then created more money & then they got rid of the "hindrance" for good (1)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
"Gold had value because people put value in it"
Really! But that's true for everything! And why do they value it? Why numerous civilizations around the globe chose it as MONEY? People've used beans, tobacco, salt & many other things as "money" but gold wins over because its supply is very limited which helps contain inflation & therefore people's PURCHASING-POWER is NOT lost like all the other things supply of which is far greater (2)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Further, less supply also means that a small amount of it can store huge purchasing-power, which also makes it easily transportable & easily storable, its durability also helps its fuction as money, its fungible so easily exchanged, malleable & divisible & not to mention, its shininess makes it eye-catching, all of these features TOGETHER (not the least short-supply & powerful store of purchasing-power) make it the one of the best things to be used as money. (3)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Again, why has everyone been running towards gold? It's because it's supply is limited & hence it holds purchsing-power well while all the toilet-paper-currencies are losing their value/purchasing-power quickly; it's simple supply & demand, govts around are "creating" more & more of their currencies & bringing their value down & just like when supply of tomatoes is high, its prices are low, currencies are losing value but gold's supply doesn't increase so fast (4)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Yes, Gold did stick around and things like Tobacco, beans did die out as a use of currency. But guess what, Gold died out as well. Its not our money anymore nor is it the rest of the worlds. Nearly ever society has adapted to paper currency so Gold died out just like the beans, tobacco, salt, etc. And Gold isn't coming back either.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
Gold didn't die out, it was KILLED by many govts BANNING its public from keeping it, leaving them open to ROBBERY by govts & banks thru currency-devalution/inflation. And that combined with tools of mass-indoctrination that public-education as well as mass-media are, people were brainwashed into forgeting role of gold as money, central-banks dumped huge amounts of gold in 80s to reduce its price to convince people monopoly-money was bettter as money (1)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
But guess what, gold they could dump on the market (to suppress it price) was limited so they ran out & since then gold has risen & risen & risen, now that their toilet-paper-pyramid is collapsing. It was said that Bretton-Woods wouldn't last & it didn't & it was said that this paper-pyramid wouldn't last & it's now on it's last legs, they know it so they're now hoping centralize monetary-power even more thru a GLOBAL CURRENCY - it's called "Special-Drawing-Rights" (2)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Gold could dump on the market and Gold could screw up the economy and other economies as well like it has in the past. There is no global currency, you are quoting conspiracy theorists who have all been debunked.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
Paper-money is what's crewing the people while enriching govt overlords, big banks & plutocrats that rule them; if you can't see that then.....
Google "Special Drawing Rights", you can do that much can't you? It's a global currency issued by IMF. Economic centralization of power is essential to political centralization, you can even see that with EU, national sovereignty of those countries becomes void but good things is that centralization is failing
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Wow, again, more talk about indoctrination and other conspiracy bull shit. You wont get anyone's respect if you keep talking like this. Gold was limited at first and then banned in some areas as a form of currency due to the fact that Gold fucked up many of these peoples economies and were slowing their economic growth and recoveries down. Gold failed which is why people ended up moving on.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
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@cinemafreak666
"Gold fucked up many of these peoples economies and were slowing their economic growth and recoveries down. Gold failed which is why people ended up moving on"
Gold did what it was supposed to do, limit govts & banks ability to "create money" at will (& thereby STEAL purchasing-power), that's why it evolved as store of purchasing-power & as is obvious STILL IS. The fact is that corrupt govts & banks EVERYWHERE kept on "conjuring" more money than they'd gold
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Okay, money is essential, that may be. However, I disagree that money shouldn't be as an important factor as it is right now in today's world. Every single thing in our lives requires money. Therefore we need money to live. I think it has become a burden for us because money has ended up controlling everyone's lives.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
"Therefore we need money to live"
Well, you were the one saying we don't. Of course, it's essential that's what I've said that's why it has to be something that can't just be created out of thin air by governments or anyone else for that matter.
"money has ended up controlling everyone's lives"
Because governments & central-banks control it & in unison devalue it & STEAL people's purchasing-power without them even realizing.
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
But I changed my mind on it and made a point though that, money controls our lives so much that we need it to live and that is something that shouldn't be happening
Money has ended up controlling everyone's live snot because of government.Central bank control could be accurate but don't blame it on the entire system of government. Greed is the problem, selfishness is the issue, and power is the issue.Corrupted politicians and its private corporate friends are the issue
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
The Gold Standard is flawed and it failed and the bankers and the federal reserve took advantage of the failure to place in another flawed monetary system which is the federal reserve. Pretty much congress loses their power to control money like its stated in the constitution and they give it to the bankers.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
A REAL gold-standard would be one where currency is denominated in weights of gold rather than fixing its price to arbitrary amount of "toilet -paper".
Congress NEVER had power to control money, Constitution clearly says in section 1, article 8 that Congress can COIN money ie to STANDARDIZE it, there was a debate about NOT giving Congress power to issue money as many Founders had seen how Continental Congress abused it just like ALL governments do
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Congress had power to coin, money and regulate it so it had power even if it wasn't to create money. However, still, the government still has power to produce out currencies. As stated by the U.S. Treasury Department.
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tjtomkins 2 months ago
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@cinemafreak666
Well, you talked about the Constitution so lets leave the "Treasury Dept" out of it (which is owned by banks & plutocrats anyway, just like pretty much the whole of the govt)
Money were NOT a creation of the govt but a necessity born out of the socio-economic evolution. As I've said, it is essential to civilized societies & for trade & prosperity & continued growth.
Please read this after fixing URL - mises(dot)org /books /originsmoney (dot)pdf
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Producing all currency, coinage and postage stamps of the U.S.
Collecting taxes, duties and money paid to and due to the U.S.:
Paying all bills of the U.S.;
Managing the federal finances;
Managing government accounts and the United States public debt;
Supervising national banks and thrift institutions;
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
"Producing all currency" ---- which line says that ----- usconstitution (dot) net
As I've said, there was a debate about NOT giving the Congress the power to issue money & looking at the way Continental Congress devalued currency, they did NOT give that power to Congress, they were "hard money" people, that is, gold & silver
The belief that govt which comprises of some of the most corrupt people should've such HUGE power -shrugs-
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
The treasury department is constitutional though. It was established one or two years after the constitution was created. It is legal and constitutional. Many people didn't favor gold and silver. Many of the founding fathers and federalists supported the idea of paper currency. Which is what we have as well as every country today has. Congress has power to coin money and regulate it and the U.S. treasury has the power to produce money, all this is constitutional.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666 Man, im trying to read your comments (trying, as im not american) and im very impressed and i like many of the things you say a lot. Congratulations, you have a great mind, i hope you are having a great life also, i need a girlfriend.. lol. What i wanted to say is that i think i heard somewhere ( Ron paul maybe) criticizing that the power to coin money had been put into private hands, altought you seem to know better than ..almost anyone, contact ron paul is the best you could do
troglodita6000 1 month ago
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@troglodita6000
"im trying to read your comments (trying, as im not american) and im very impressed and i like many of the things you say a lot"
Dude, he's merely copy-pasting from Wikipedia lol
Like, most people he's a product of indoctrination by govt-controlled education & mass-media, I believe thinking for oneself
If you think corrupt politicians & central-banks should be able to create money out of thin air & STEAL everyone's purchasing-power then...*shrugs*
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
"The treasury department is constitutional though"
Just because it is Constitutional does NOT mean it can do whatever or whatever it says supercedes the Constitution. If whatever Treasury says could supercede the Constitution then what would be the point having the Constitution in the first place!
tjtomkins 1 month ago
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@cinemafreak666
"Many of the founding fathers and federalists supported the idea of paper currency"
Is that a joke?
"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself"
"The truth is, that capital may be produced by industry, and accumulated by economy; but jugglers only will propose to create it by legerdemain tricks with paper."
---- Thomas Jefferson author of Declaration of Independence
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them.”
--- George Washington, commander-in-chief of Continental Army
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
“Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice.”
--- George Washington, commander-in-chief of Continental Army
"Paper money is unjust. It is unconstitutional, for it affects the rights of property as much as taking away equal value in land"
--- James Madison, chief architect of the Constitution
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Advising on domestic and international financial, monetary, economic, trade and tax policy (fiscal policy being the sum of these, and the ultimate responsibility of Congress);
Enforcing federal finance and tax laws;
Investigating and prosecuting tax evaders;
Publishing statistical reports.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@Dyslexda
watch?v=A5nGCpzel6o <<< He saw a 9/11-like event coming in 1998, he foresaw the Housing Bubble ages ago & there's more....isn't that enough intelligence for a president? None of the candidates understand political & economic issues like he does.
His belief in evolution is irrelevant because he doesn't believe in government-controlled "education" (mass-indoctrination), he supports a voucher-system where all schools will be private but government will bear the expenses.
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
I agree with Ron Paul on many things but I disagree with him on many things as well. Ron Paul wasn't the only person who predicted that housing bubble and the wars and 9/11. Many economists, mostly Keynesian economists predicted the economic bubble and many progressives predicted 9/11 and the wars being a problem and costing us as well.
His belief in evolution should matter because evolution is a proven fact.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
I'm sure some others predicted it too, including Keynsians but there's no doubting the fact that the global banking system today runs on Keynesian thought of inflation & inflation & more inflation (& banks rejoice while people have their purchasing-power stolen)& that's exactly what brought the catastrophe. He was a man who explained away boom-bust-cycle by "animal spirits" (how scholarly!) while the real problem lies in fractional-reserve-banking & money-monopoly
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
I understand the problem is the fractional reserve banking and money monopoly, but Keynesian Economics and Keynesian theories are not based off of inflation.More Keynesian economics predicted the economic collapse more than any other type of economist. We live in a system where inflation happens. Even with Gold, you can get inflation.Keynesian economics has nothing to do with inflation nor is Keynesian thought pro-inflation or requires inflation. So you are wrong on that.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
Keynesianism is ALL ABOUT INFLATION, because it supports communist/socialist theory that governemnt should control money & its belief in government-control of INTEREST-RATES is what creates bubbles due to over-expansion of credit & then as I've said before, over-expansion leads to lending TOO MUCH & then some borrowers default causing a bit of "domino-effect" which causes panic among banks, they stop lending & then money shrinks to its natural lever with recession
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Not, you are wrong, Keynesian economics HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INFLATION, IT IS NOT ABOUT INFLATION. It does not support communist/socialist theories that government should control money and INTEREST RATES. Again you don't understand what Keynesian economics is about.
What you are talking about is a Monetarist and Supply Side economic policy not Keynesian economics. You are getting it all wrong and mixed up.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
Seriously, where di you come from, pal? The whole world practices Keynesian economics & Keynesianism dictates that central-banking overlords should set interest-rates rather than allowing forces of supply & demand work it out in the market; & keeps FAILING over & over because CENTRAL-PLANNING DOES NOT WORK.
Yes, Keynesianism IS communist/socialist because it supports CENTRAL-PLANNING which has failed everywhere miserably.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
What you are describing about banks and the creation of bubbles borrowing, interest rates, etc. None of this has anything to do with communism and socialism this is pure capitalism and one of the many issues with it.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Here's a definition on Keynesian
"Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes and, therefore, advocates active policy responses by the public sector, including monetary policy actions by the central bank and fiscal policy actions by the government to stabilize output over the business cycle economics."
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
"Keynesian economics argues that private sector decisions sometimes lead to inefficient macroeconomic outcomes and, therefore, advocates active policy responses by the public sector, including monetary policy actions by the central bank and fiscal policy actions by the government to stabilize output over the business cycle economics."
CENTRAL-PLANNING & FAIL
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@cinemafreak666
I didn't say there'd be no inflation with a gold-standard but it'd be extremely low because gold's supply grows very slowly as producing it entails REAL EXPENSES, it can't just be "created" by putting a few numbers in a book or on a computer like today's FICTIONAL MONEY works. Of course, gold-standard alone won't reduce inflation, full-reserve-banking (lending only time-deposits) would be necessary as it puts systemic restrictions on over-expansion of credit.
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Okay but the point is that you are accusing Keynsian economics as being inflation driven and it supporting inflation when inflation happens even under the Gold Standard. And again enough with this fictional money comments. Money is all fictional, humans put value into it, therefore the fictional money that you hate is real money.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
"the point is that you are accusing Keynsian economics as being inflation driven and it supporting inflation when inflation happens even under the Gold Standard"
No, bubbles happen because of creation of excess credit, which is caused by fractional-reserve-banking as well as manipulation of interest-rates done by central-banks without regard to the market-forces. I've already said, it was NOT "gold-standard" but PHONY price-fixing scam by govt.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
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@cinemafreak666
"Money is all fictional, humans put value into it, therefore the fictional money that you hate is real money"
The cost of $100-bill is about 4-5 cents - that's why it's fictional;
banks create money by putting numbers on their books or computers - that's fictional money
These things are taken at "face value" unlike gold, the production of which requires real expenditure & that expenditure determines its value & purchasing-power
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Like I said even with Gold, there is inflation
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
The reason I've said his belief in evolution is irrelevant because he doesn't wish to IMPOSE it on others thru scam called public education. After all, everyone should've freedom of thought, facts should be brought forth thru discussions & if some don't agree, it doesn't matter, in the long-run, truth needs no proof but use of FORCE & suppression for any reason can't be justified.
Anyways, there's no "perfect candidate".BTW, how many candidates are anti-Fed?
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Public Education is a scam? Ww, if you want reality and society to accept you and accept Libertarians, you need to not think in that kind of absurd way. Indoctrination happens all the time even without public education. It happens more in the private life of individuals than in the hands of public education. There is no force and suppression
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
Ok, let's keep it simple. Who controls public-education - govt, who owns corrupt govt - powerful interests who seek use govt's enormous power for their self-interest. Soooooo, who controls public-education?
Again, the belief that corrupt individuals in the govt are going to set public-education in the interest of people at large, this belief is so bereft of reality...but apparently, it only shows power of indoctrination right from a young age (1)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
Nowhere have I said that public-education is the "only" indoctrination, have I said it? NO, it's just that it's the WORST kind of indoctrination as it allowed the ruling-class to "program" the masses to their taste.
People's behavior & thought-processes are greatly affected by their environment so the policy is to 'get'em young', look Marx's Communist Manifesto - one of 10 points is......public education........and guess what.....monopoly-money controlled by the govt (2)
tjtomkins 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
No where have I said that you think public education is the "only" indoctrination. But you said that public education is indoctrination. Which reading your post further confirms it, you just called public education indoctrination and above all the WORST kind of indoctrination. Of course, you are 100% wrong on this but I don't expect anything other than crazy. Public education existed way before Karl Marx. Again, it has nothing to do at getting at them young.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@tjtomkins
No where in Marx's Manifesto does it say monopoly-money controlled by government. Marx doesn't like government and wants a stateless and classless society.
cinemafreak666 2 months ago
@cinemafreak666
"No where in Marx's Manifesto does it say monopoly-money controlled by government"
Seriously, have you heard of Google? PLEASE google "Communist Manifesto", which includes 10 points by Karl Marx, one of which was public education, another one was govt-controlled centralized monopoly over money.
Don't believe me, just Google it & see for yourself.
tjtomkins 1 month ago
@tjtomkins
Once again, you have no evidence to back any of this. Public education is not an indoctrination, there is no elitists and power interest groups dictating and indoctrination everyone's children, you need to get a life and stop watching Alex Jones.
What does government have to prove? Government is not making profit from public education. There is no reason for them to not be in the interest of people. On the other hand private education is selective so it can indoctrinate
cinemafreak666 2 months ago