Everyone is entitled to their opinion-the Sheriff in closer to the pathology of this shooting-he would be, as most residents of Tucson would be, more familiar with the actions against Giffords in the past-not by Loughner, but the actions against Giffords.
Fox, like many other media outlets have an agenda-
Meanwhile in the wake of the shooting the Gov of AZ and the legislature has cut funding to AZ mental healthcare services....morons on both sides of the isle.
This is nuts how people tie this moron to todays rhetoric.In 2007 their was no dumbass healthcare "takeover" or any other of the policies that are in debate in 2011.This psycho had a beef with Gabby that dated to a 2007 congress on the corner where Gabby blew off a dumbass question he ask,and she should have the question made no sense.Gun laws only put guns in criminals hands because most murders are done with stolen,black market,etc guns.Responsible gun owners don't kill people criminals do
@EspnNBAGeneral Loughner was a lefty and a loon. A former classmate, who identifies as democrat, put that forward on FaceBook when she first learned that she'd known the shooter. Liberal, or self-proclaimed "Truth" lovers have vilified her for stating it. Always nice to see lefties eat their own when errant members tell an inconvenient truth. But no, it is not nice, because truth should be common ground between everyone in this world, regardless of politics. We have our own dicks on the right.
If an illegal immigrant would have shot Giffords Fox would have exploited the hell out of it, like they have in the past, to argue against illegal immigration. But since a conservative shot Giffords, they are arguing against the exploitation. Foxnews does nothing but politicize tragedy...see e.g. 9-11, Fort Hood, etc.
What a dipstick. He totally contradicts himself at 5:16.
Oh, an @arthur1911: Go and try and gather up some facts. There is no such thing as "The Tea Party". It's called the "Taxed Enough Already (TEA) Party Movement"
So let's get this strait---Loughner had been going around acting like an utterly deranged violent head case for years, numerous people had made numerous complaints about him, he was thrown out of college precisely because the people around him were deeply afraid of him, he had already threatened to kill someone and somehow talk shows are to blame? Instead of political grand standing, why didn't the Commissar Dupnik do his job?
@1911arthur ...lol How did the last election go for ya?
Jared Loughner’s By Chris Ariens on January 12, 2011 This morning on “Good Morning America,” ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield sat down with Zach Osler, a high school friend of Jared Loughner, the suspect in the Tucson massacre. Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.
I don't know. Maybe Pima County would have been better served by a real sheriff, one who spent his time trying to lock up nut-bags and criminals rather than finding ways to excuse them. Which is what he's doing. The sheriff is actually embarked on a course that if he doesn't stop, will provide an escape hatch, one way or the other, for the accused
1....Dupnik expressed his views about mentally ill people not being institutionalized to the Tucson Citizen newspaper in September 1999 after four people had been shot by local law enforcement officers in the course of a single week.
@usagirlfriend ...2. The Citizen published the sheriff's remarks in its Sept. 21, 1999 edition in a story by staff writer Michael R. Graham that ran under the headline 'Dupnik: Guns, Drink Making Streets Unsafe.' 'Each day, a higher percentage of the population is armed. "And a lot of them are emotionally disturbed, violent, psychotic, and they drink too much,' Dupnik told The Citizen.
The hate speech is mostly coming from the right-wing. Remember the second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil was the Oklahoma City bombing carried out by right-wing terrorists. The recent incendary letters have all been sent to Democrats. The anthrax letters were sent to Democrats. The terrorist attack on the Holocaust museum was a right-wing nut. The killer of Dr. Teller was a right-wing assassin. The Olympic Village bomber was a right-wing terrorist.
Thanks to Clarence Dupnik, Jared Loughner will walk free. Dupnik was blaming before he new the assailants name and who he was. Judy Clarke, the famous attorney will use this opportunity to use his unprofessional words to her benefit... When Dupnik was asked how he new talk radio was to blame, his answer was he just new do to 50yrs of experience.
CornFedArmen: what the fuck are you talking about? Evil lies? Pseudo law enforcement officials? This man should be put in prison because ... he's been duped by what, whom? You are either missing the point altogether, or you are deliberately trying to enflame the issue. "I grew up in a country that is totally different than the country we have today." Yes, what he says reflects my experience as well. This is not the country I grew up in and expected to be when I reached this age (57).
That lunatic bastard was not motivated by the tea party, talk radio, or the right. What these losers don't say is the people that know him describe him as an extreme leftist that reads crap like hittlers bible : Mein Kampf. This guy was probably frustated at Mrs. Giffords because she was not a leftist like he was, instead she was more of a conservative democrat more towards the center. Only ignorant morons could believe the bs from the left.
He burns the American flag, hates the Bible, reads communist literature, thinks 9/11 was a right wing conspiracy...and supposedly intelligent people are labeling this psychopathic murderer a right winger? Really? Seriously...really? Is rational thought dead? This democrat sheriff's hypocrisy is stunning. Despicable.
Is this sheriff so ignorant the he doesnt even realize that he is doing EXACTLY what he is biatching about other right wing pundits doing?
Here he complains about right wingers speculative or untrue "vitriol" and he is standing there implying that this guy, who had some leftward leaning ideals, did it because of a right wing ideology when that is only speculative in itself and he has absolutely no proof at this point that that is the case......when he should just stick to the facts.....
@fleiva30 The sheriff is a washed up has been. He's completely full of crap too. None of the leftists complained when Hollywood released a movie about the assassination of George W Bush a few years back. What? A movie glorifying violence against a Republican politician isn't incendiary? The left clearly has a double standard. When leftist pols incite violence it's not a problem. There's no evidence this crime was politically motivated anyway. The sheriff should resign.
Vitriolic comments all over the place here. Maybe you do have a problem in your country? I guess he is right with political parties not being able to sit down together and discuss the facts. Too much hatred.
Love the double-standard when it comes to rhetoric. Go figure there is a huge outcry against right-wing rhetoric now, yet for some reason all the threats, hateful and seemingly violence-condoning comments made by the left during Bush's administration. I guess there is no room for discourse both ways. Even more so, why does this sheriff cut the act? Just say what you mean. Everyone knows you means Fox News, Sarah Palin, the Republicans, the Tea Party, Glenn Beck, etc. Stop saving face.
The RepubliCONS theFar Right Wingnuts of the "FOX NEWS"CULT are the Reason the USA is so HATED in the the World. It's the CONservatives in this World NO MATTER the Religion They Follow that are the EVIL in this World. It isn't the MODERATE Republicans like Ron Paul who has SPOUTED the VILE HATE like the SLUT Sarah Palin& the Rest of the REDNECK DUMBED DOWN Vermon that have INFESTED the Republican Party. FUCK the CONservative Bastards Hang alongside the REST of the TRAITORS in CONgress.
Some of the anger was against the congresswoman as well because she disagreed with Pelosi and was not left enough. It was wiped from KOS. This Sheriff should be held responsible since he has had the shooter under investigation for a while. He has assured people that mental health officials had the kid under control. Talk about irresponsible.
Sheriff Dupnik is an embarrassment to Pima County and this state. I've lost all respect for this man with the inflammatory politically motivated disinformation and accusations he's made relative this sickening tragedy. This is the head law enforcement officer of my county and he is inciting hatred and disunity with these unfounded accusations lacking any evidence. He’s just lost the ability to testify in court as a credible witness and as such should not be an officer of the court.
No proof - just opinion. This man stops short of blaming every talk radio conservative as well as the Tea Party movement - yet has no proof. In fact the proof shows the political polar opposite. The only irresponsibility here is with Dupnik's words and opinions ... what a hypocrite! He is doing exactly what he rails against!
"Some People" say... is a weasel phrase used often by FOX NEWS.
This guy shows a lot of class and patience in dealing with this feather headed bimbo.
"With respect, you're a democrat" what does that mean? She's trying to rally her audience against him. what a bitch. She knows FOX viewers will automatically dismiss anyone who is a democrat.
@fredxmertz Calling any woman a "bitch" and a "feather headed bimbo" is really not convincing anyone that you are anything more than a politically polarized misogynist. Calling any woman such names is not only disrespectful - it is juvenile. No matter how much I would disagree with someone, I would never choose to denigrate them in this manner. As a point of clarification, Ms. Kelly is anything but an intellectual light weight, and I don't think you would fare well in a discussion with her.
Did you know "race car" spelled backwards still spells race car?
The word "eat" is the only word that, if you take the 1st letter and move it to the last, spells its past tense – ate?
And if you rearrange the letters in "Tea Party Republicans" and add just a few more letters, it spells: "Shut-up, you free-loading, progress-blocking, Loughner-loving, homophobic, resource-sucking, racist, hypocritical jerks, and face the fact that you capsized the country under Bush"?
Please realize that Sheriff Dupnik stopped be a real law enforcement officer when he ran for his first election. He is just another politician. Sheriffs a and Police Chiefs almost never speak for the officers that work for them; they spout the party line of the political party that got them elected or appointed.
Sheriff Dupnik rules. It's a real indictment on the conservatives that they scream bloody murder when someone asks them to express themselves more civilly.
@dubasher You describe a conservative Democrat as a Communist? You are exactly what he's talking about, spewing hate and bile. You are what's wrong with America.
@Mattbro DIPSHIT won't enforce the laws of his state and nation? Yeah, he's communist piece of shit. And if he had a brain in that old broken down head of his he'd understand that the shooter was a flag burning, anti-american, constitution hating, communist manifesto reading, leftist nutball. But....he's a DIPSHIT.
@dubasher Do you even know what the word communist means? Apparently not. The guy raved about the gold standard and the constitution, which are Tea Party concepts. His favorite books were taken straight from a high school reading list and included not just the Communist Manifesto (left wing), but also Mein Kampf (right wing).
@Mattbro Mein Kampf is right wing? LOL You dipshit jr., Hitler was a NATIONAL SOCIALIST. There is nothing right wing about mein kampf. Dude, Laughner REJECTED the constitution. Do you realize he shot that lady in large part cuz SHE READ THE CONSTITUTION not 48 hours earlier? Face it, the dude was a confused nutball, but his primary ideology was leftist. The "right wing" had HUGE victories in the November elections. Happy people don't shoot people, dumbass.
@dubasher Whether or not he was influenced by Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck isn't so much the point. The point is that when the Sheriff says the discourse needs to be more civil, and hotheads like you call him a communist, you are proving his point.
@Mattbro No, the point is that DIPSHIT sheriff doesn't know what he's talking about. The lunatic was a leftist. The sheriff is too damn stupid to look at facts, not the idiotic ideas in his own head.
@Mattbro Conservative democrats no longer exist. The Republican party today is moderate at best, and the Democratic party has embraced the European style socialist agenda.
"Redistribution of wealth" is robbery. Using euphemisms does not make anything more civilized, it simply confuses gullible people. When armed individuals take your money under threat of force, it is robbery.
Calling the murders committed by Laughner, "unlawful terminations of life" would not make them civilized either.
@Mattbro You mean like when progessives suggested assasination was a means to remove George Bush from office? That sort of civility? No one holds the high ground here and you are foolish to believe otherwise.
@Karnakthemagnificent What leading Democrat suggested assassinating Bush? This is false equivalency. On the conservative side you have a national figure (Palin) with several million followers targeting opposing candidates with crosshairs over them and a list of specific names. Who is doing that on the Democrating side? No one. You have an entire movement demonizing Obama as a Marxist for trying to give people health care, for crying out loud. Stop pretending the level of vitriol is the same.
@Mattbro : You are trying to put words in my mouth. I never said "leading democrat", rather it was voices from progressive media such as the dailyKOS. You should also stop trying to paint conservatives with such a broad brush, not every conservative agrees with Sarah Palin or Glen Beck. As for an entire movement demonizing a person - perhaps you have heard of Moveon . org? Yes the vitriol is the same and it is disturbing no matter what the political philosophy.
@Karnakthemagnificent Well then you didn't make yourself very clear. Are you serious? You're equating a few posts on Daily Kos with the daily stream of invective coming from right-wing radio, Fox News and Sarah Palin, aimed at people who voted for health care reform pioneered by the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney? I don't expect random partisans on the Internet to be civil to one another, although it would be nice. I do expect it from leading national figures, though.
@Mattbro I was quite clear, you chose to hear what you wanted to. The DailyKos, Democratundergound, Media Matters, MSNBC, Chris Mattews, Rachel Madow, Oberman. Come on now, who is fooling who? There are strident voices from both sides, I am just not as self assured as you apparently are about who is telling the truth because I have lived long enough to know better. You mention the Heritage Foundation, try looking at George Soros and see how much money this guy funnels into the progressive agenda
@HabitualHobosexual : The point is that no party holds the moral high ground on this issue. The Sheriff pontificates about money coming in from overseas and going to fund political movements. This is right out of the Democratic party talking points (See Pelosi 2010 elections), this is a distortion of the facts and should not be said by the Sheriff - his statements have politicized this tragety and could compromise the criminal case against the shooter.
@Karnakthemagnificent You're right. The media and politicians as a whole hold this responsibility and so do all of us including me and you. I am naively hopeful that something good comes out of this situation like maybe we all reflect on ourselves and know we are all Americans. We can disagree on policies without devolving into hatred and bitterness. The atmosphere in this country is at a scary point.
@Mattbro like Obama when he says: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun” - “Get in Their Faces!” - “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” - “Hit Back Twice As Hard” - “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick."- Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”- “It’s time to Fight for it.”-“Punish your enemies.”-“I’m itching for a fight.”
@themunz126 Now quote what's been said on the right. Then maybe you'll come to the conclusion that everyone and the media and the politicians and us need to grow the fuck up and learn what constructive criticism is. Instead of all this partison jabber that is exchanged.
Is the Sheriff talking about the leader of our USA? Obama: They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun, Obama to his followers: "Get in their faces, on ACORN mobs: "I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I'm angry, to his mercenary army, "Hit back twice as Hard!, on the private sector, "We talk to these folks...so I know whose ass to kick" to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat” to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
Megyn is a snake. She has the gall to lecture a 75 year old Sheriff w/50 years experience? She is just like all teabaggers who want to stop the conversation by saying this man is politicizing the situation. Ridiculous. No matter the mental health of this punk, this is a political event. A judge was killed, a Congresswoman was nearly killed. She outs him as a Democrat while accusing him of politicizing? Shameful. She & all teabaggers are afraid that their bullsh-t has consequences. And it does.
@eqsmooththe ...... this dumb ass sheriff, admitting he's got NO facts for what he's speculating about; that he has NO evidence. As a member of the law, this sheriff, says he's got no evidence to support his contention that Tea Party did it first, or was it Sarah Palin?
Sheriff Dupnik is supposed to be the chief law enforcement officer of Pima County. He keeps running to the microphone and spewing uninformed OPINIONS like he's the mayor of New York City.
Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past. Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County. The sheriff admits to knowing about him since2007..... This may not have happened if you did your job sheriff (.
@joespeed87 - i will be interested in how the good sheriff explains why his office did nothing even though they were aware of death threats that the shooter had been making towards people in the county.
@joespeed87 : I think you need to rethink this, It is never wise for anyone with a handle of joespeed to call any woman a bitch. It smacks of hillbilly misogyny. If you listen carefully to Dupnik, he is constantly injecting personal opinion in to his statements and justifies this by saying that his experience allows him unique insight. Kelly nukes him on this point by making the observation that madmen have always engaged in acts of violence, i.e. Kennedy and King assasinations.
@DeclareRestore Your point is? I never argued that they caused these things to happen. Megyn Kelly essentially makes the point that an unbalanced person does things for their own reasons, nothing in the case suggests that the shooter was making a political statement. Rather is seems he was retaliating against the government for trying to control his mind.
@ChrisWI98 Not so much politicize but point blame at a whole party for the action of one individual without any facts. This is beyond inappropriate for a sheriff!
@DeclareRestore The only person in this interview to superimpose partisan politics was the FauxNews reporter when she used the word "Democrat". Then she suddenly accused the sheriff of politicizing. Very clever projection. Then their impressionable audience believe and repeat their trickery, like you just did. FauxNews anchors aren't stupid, but they count on their followers to be just that.
@ChrisWI98 Wow. You called me impressionable and stupid. Who's the clever one now?
If you watched the sheriff's initial press conference, you would see what Megyn Kelly was referring to when she asked why the sheriff was politicizing a tragedy.
@DeclareRestore I watched all the videos. Some of the things he said when talking about television and radio: unbalanced...vitriol....hatred....bigotry.... Arizona is the capitol of prejudice...Unbalanced people are especially susceptible to vitriol.
If YOU equate those words to certain pundits or a political movement, then that is something you need to come to terms with. Good luck. I mean that.
@ChrisWI98 "tackled the shooter's magazine and gun." more like took it out of his hand while he was being held down. tackled the shooter's magazine and gun. This is just amazing this guy is doing just what he is complaining about. No doubt he blames the right. Dupnik is a jackass. No doubt he opposes anyone that speaks out and disagrees with his views and is using this to attack the right. Before the left points fingers they need to look at the 3 that are pointing back at them.
@2012vote Your right. Funny when Amy Bishop an far left Obama supporter shot and killed 3 Professors last year the left said nothing. When a Muslim shot 31 killing 13 at Fort Hood they said Please dont rush to judgement we need to understand him. When a Muslim tried to set off a a car bomb in NYC again please dont rush to judge him. Obama said "if they bring a knife we bring a gun. The left has called the Teaparty every name in the book. The left has 1000 fingers pointing at themselves.
@ChrisWI98 The Sheriff blamed this incident on talk radio without any evidence that this man listened to talk radio. That is the point I am presently arguing. It's completely irresponsible.
@ChrisWI98 : Dupnik, as a law enforcement official should not have said anything other than the facts of the case. To do otherwise might taint the criminal case against the shooter. Dupnik states it was harsh political speech that led to this shooting and infers it was talk radio and rightwing politicians. Kelly got him to admit that it was his personal opinion, not fact. As the Sheriff Dupnik's opinon holds greater weight than most citizens and should not be part of an ongoing criminal case.
@Karnakthemagnificent Dupnik said that a lady standing in line to take a picture with the Democratic Congresswoman tackled the shooter's magazine and gun. He said it was one of the most heroic acts he's ever seen. That was an opinion too. He wants opinion shapers to be less virulent. As a peacekeeper, he should praise some things and condemn others. The only people offended by his comments are Teabaggers. As Mattbro said so eloquently below, that is a real indictment upon them.
America is trying to figure why this bitch is telling everyone on FU News that he is democrat,when he never told anyone else who interview him what party he came from? Does FU News have a fucking agenda against all democrats? If they do,then they need to get out of the news business immediately. By the way,he was telling the truth and FU News will never,ever admit that he is right.
to the poster of this video... what if the politician was on the right and the shooter was of the left, would you still believe this shouldn't be politicized? try to be honest.
@Lombokstrait1 There is no evidence that the shooter was from the right. In fact he said that he did not trust religion and read books such a Mien Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. Those would point more towards a left leaning ideology, but in any case, this was a completely unjustifiable act of violence.
@Somac2006 I agree, totally unjustifiable act of violence.
but don't rewrite history. The nazis and hitler were on the far right of the political spectrum where big business / govt / and their military industrial complex converged. mien kampf also embraced zenophobia and hardcore nationalism, which is on the right of the political spectrum. they put socialist in the name of their party just to muddy the waters and confuse the minions.
@Lombokstrait1 Hitler was a Fascists as were the Nazis, and under Fascism, business are privately owned but managed by the government. They want to remove classes, but not by directly control of the economy. That is what we see the liberals in this country doing. i.e. Healthcare, GM, private business takeovers, etc.
@Somac2006 hmmm not really. what we have here is socialism for the rich. which basically is what the far right ends up being. right now we have a govt for the rich and by the rich.... that ain't socialism. that's neo-feudalism / fascism... where big business runs the govt. if you have been paying attention you'll notice big business and the wealthy are doing better than ever. profits were at record high last quarter... yet the economy not so much.
@Lombokstrait1 Wouldn't the far right be anarchy? Less government? Also, didn't business govt and the military converge under Vladimir Lenin? The Nazi party was a socialist party. Then Hitler took control of the German government.
@DeclareRestore Anarchy happens when there is no govt at all.
And no private business under lenin vanished completely as did personal property. the political spectrum at both the extreme left or right end with a totalitarian regime. thats the irony of it. extreme left and right meet at the same point eventually. A tiny ruthless ruling class...
fascism is far right... they used the term socialism as a cloak to get the workers to go along with it.
Did you notice the sherrif said HE HAS NOT SEE THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO. If he has not seen the video how does he know this lady actually tackled the shooter? Not only that he says the govt is doing whats best for this country?
This is a government hit. The reason this guy is politicizing this event is because that is what HIS HANDLERS TOLD HIM TO DO.
The FBI has confiscated any evidence and will mostly destroy it or never release it. AMERICANS. OUR CORRUPT GOVT OFFICIALS AND MEDIA ARE EVIL.
What country did this guy grow up in? Put down ideology? A nation of sheeple is that what he is looking for?
thefish103 11 months ago
fuck that ass licking peace of shit mother fucker!
izzy414able 11 months ago
Dupnik = Moron.
1980PintoMan 1 year ago
Some two-bit alcoholic freemason just solved the case. Please go back to American Idol, your new phone apps, and your jar of penis pills.
thechangeling613 1 year ago
Everyone is entitled to their opinion-the Sheriff in closer to the pathology of this shooting-he would be, as most residents of Tucson would be, more familiar with the actions against Giffords in the past-not by Loughner, but the actions against Giffords.
Fox, like many other media outlets have an agenda-
Meanwhile in the wake of the shooting the Gov of AZ and the legislature has cut funding to AZ mental healthcare services....morons on both sides of the isle.
liveecarbme 1 year ago
@liveecarbme Everyone may express an opinion. That does not make them equal in value, or truth.
45CaliberCure 10 months ago
This is nuts how people tie this moron to todays rhetoric.In 2007 their was no dumbass healthcare "takeover" or any other of the policies that are in debate in 2011.This psycho had a beef with Gabby that dated to a 2007 congress on the corner where Gabby blew off a dumbass question he ask,and she should have the question made no sense.Gun laws only put guns in criminals hands because most murders are done with stolen,black market,etc guns.Responsible gun owners don't kill people criminals do
jp221073 1 year ago
The Republicans single handily caused this event by their pro-gun laws and hate-filled rhetoric.
No amount of spinning can prevent that very obvious truth from reaching the ears of the public.
EspnNBAGeneral 1 year ago
@EspnNBAGeneral Loughner was a lefty and a loon. A former classmate, who identifies as democrat, put that forward on FaceBook when she first learned that she'd known the shooter. Liberal, or self-proclaimed "Truth" lovers have vilified her for stating it. Always nice to see lefties eat their own when errant members tell an inconvenient truth. But no, it is not nice, because truth should be common ground between everyone in this world, regardless of politics. We have our own dicks on the right.
45CaliberCure 10 months ago
If an illegal immigrant would have shot Giffords Fox would have exploited the hell out of it, like they have in the past, to argue against illegal immigration. But since a conservative shot Giffords, they are arguing against the exploitation. Foxnews does nothing but politicize tragedy...see e.g. 9-11, Fort Hood, etc.
rockstar7131 1 year ago
What a dipstick. He totally contradicts himself at 5:16.
Oh, an @arthur1911: Go and try and gather up some facts. There is no such thing as "The Tea Party". It's called the "Taxed Enough Already (TEA) Party Movement"
cristmh 1 year ago
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ccolbert4 1 year ago
sheriff dumbfuck.
TheUWF 1 year ago
So let's get this strait---Loughner had been going around acting like an utterly deranged violent head case for years, numerous people had made numerous complaints about him, he was thrown out of college precisely because the people around him were deeply afraid of him, he had already threatened to kill someone and somehow talk shows are to blame? Instead of political grand standing, why didn't the Commissar Dupnik do his job?
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
Tea Party is finished and a laughing stock, scrubbing their web site as fast as they can of bullseyes and slogans such as don't retreat reload! lol
Why are they running??? Guilty???
Wait till those bullseye adds pop up at election time!
By the way, last election went real good.
Demos have the Senate and the White House!
1911arthur 1 year ago
@1911arthur the dumicrats are done. they just came out with reports that whitey is leaving the democrap party. good luck with 2012. lololol
TheUWF 1 year ago
Liberals, the party of peace??
1. Which voted "against" equal-rights in the 50's and 60's
2. The party of WAR ? ? ? FDR (though "correctly") launched America into WW II
3. Harry S. decided to use atomic weapons
4. JFK created the "Bay of Pigs" fiasco (causing the Oct. Missile
Crisis) as well as covertly launching America into Cambodia and, hence, Vietnam.
5. LBJ ratchet the Vietnam war to "super-large" scale.
So.... next time you liberals want to control America ?? ..... NO thanks
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
Palin's people said it wasn't a bulleseye or target site but a surveyors scope!!!
lol.
You can't trust anyone from the Tea Party as they will lie through their teeth like this!
The Tea Party is pretty much finished.
You can see all the political adds,now as the crosshairs will pop up on every add.
Why did they immediatley scrub their web sites after the incident?
Guilty?
1911arthur 1 year ago
@1911arthur ...lol How did the last election go for ya?
Jared Loughner’s By Chris Ariens on January 12, 2011 This morning on “Good Morning America,” ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield sat down with Zach Osler, a high school friend of Jared Loughner, the suspect in the Tucson massacre. Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
@1911arthur ... another clone account. Why am I not surprised??
It seems your types don't have courage, spines or knowledge to own your beliefs.
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
I was being sarcastic idiot.
ProvidentTools 1 year ago
I don't know. Maybe Pima County would have been better served by a real sheriff, one who spent his time trying to lock up nut-bags and criminals rather than finding ways to excuse them. Which is what he's doing. The sheriff is actually embarked on a course that if he doesn't stop, will provide an escape hatch, one way or the other, for the accused
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
1....Dupnik expressed his views about mentally ill people not being institutionalized to the Tucson Citizen newspaper in September 1999 after four people had been shot by local law enforcement officers in the course of a single week.
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
@usagirlfriend ...2. The Citizen published the sheriff's remarks in its Sept. 21, 1999 edition in a story by staff writer Michael R. Graham that ran under the headline 'Dupnik: Guns, Drink Making Streets Unsafe.' 'Each day, a higher percentage of the population is armed. "And a lot of them are emotionally disturbed, violent, psychotic, and they drink too much,' Dupnik told The Citizen.
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
He's a white boy so it must be some right wing conspiracy. This sherif is the biggest idiot in the world.
ProvidentTools 1 year ago
@ProvidentTools What does his race have to do with anything? Sounds like you're the biggest idiot in the world.
HabitualHobosexual 1 year ago
outlaw guns and criminals will find another way...we all know it.
howardb42006 1 year ago
The hate speech is mostly coming from the right-wing. Remember the second worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil was the Oklahoma City bombing carried out by right-wing terrorists. The recent incendary letters have all been sent to Democrats. The anthrax letters were sent to Democrats. The terrorist attack on the Holocaust museum was a right-wing nut. The killer of Dr. Teller was a right-wing assassin. The Olympic Village bomber was a right-wing terrorist.
Weird huh?
jaimeheidijames 1 year ago
Thanks to Clarence Dupnik, Jared Loughner will walk free. Dupnik was blaming before he new the assailants name and who he was. Judy Clarke, the famous attorney will use this opportunity to use his unprofessional words to her benefit... When Dupnik was asked how he new talk radio was to blame, his answer was he just new do to 50yrs of experience.
bette1122 1 year ago
CornFedArmen: what the fuck are you talking about? Evil lies? Pseudo law enforcement officials? This man should be put in prison because ... he's been duped by what, whom? You are either missing the point altogether, or you are deliberately trying to enflame the issue. "I grew up in a country that is totally different than the country we have today." Yes, what he says reflects my experience as well. This is not the country I grew up in and expected to be when I reached this age (57).
nfaust1 1 year ago
yes we can---make sheriff traitor suffer for his evil lies
yes we can---fight to have him removed from office
yes we can---have all pseudo law enforcement officials like him pay for their treason
yes we can---put men like "sheriff" duped in prison for treason
CornFedArmen 1 year ago
faux news suxx. that guys head should have been taken from his body before the cops even got there...
lkpeay 1 year ago
Go Megyn!!!
bella50008 1 year ago
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cinnibunns8 1 year ago
That lunatic bastard was not motivated by the tea party, talk radio, or the right. What these losers don't say is the people that know him describe him as an extreme leftist that reads crap like hittlers bible : Mein Kampf. This guy was probably frustated at Mrs. Giffords because she was not a leftist like he was, instead she was more of a conservative democrat more towards the center. Only ignorant morons could believe the bs from the left.
Tejanito 1 year ago
He burns the American flag, hates the Bible, reads communist literature, thinks 9/11 was a right wing conspiracy...and supposedly intelligent people are labeling this psychopathic murderer a right winger? Really? Seriously...really? Is rational thought dead? This democrat sheriff's hypocrisy is stunning. Despicable.
comscout 1 year ago
Is this sheriff so ignorant the he doesnt even realize that he is doing EXACTLY what he is biatching about other right wing pundits doing?
Here he complains about right wingers speculative or untrue "vitriol" and he is standing there implying that this guy, who had some leftward leaning ideals, did it because of a right wing ideology when that is only speculative in itself and he has absolutely no proof at this point that that is the case......when he should just stick to the facts.....
captainkbt 1 year ago
the sherrif is right..!,,,too much brainwashed people out there it was just a matter of time..!!
fleiva30 1 year ago
@fleiva30 The sheriff is a washed up has been. He's completely full of crap too. None of the leftists complained when Hollywood released a movie about the assassination of George W Bush a few years back. What? A movie glorifying violence against a Republican politician isn't incendiary? The left clearly has a double standard. When leftist pols incite violence it's not a problem. There's no evidence this crime was politically motivated anyway. The sheriff should resign.
electango 1 year ago
Kelly is a typical FOXbot.
ottoskidoo 1 year ago
@ottoskidoo You mean to say an attractive and intelligent woman?
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
This man is ground zero for the polarized climate we are in.
Ninefingers1010 1 year ago
You mean like the vitriol from that far right website the daily KOS?
bubbiesdad 1 year ago
Vitriolic comments all over the place here. Maybe you do have a problem in your country? I guess he is right with political parties not being able to sit down together and discuss the facts. Too much hatred.
dongydongy 1 year ago
Love the double-standard when it comes to rhetoric. Go figure there is a huge outcry against right-wing rhetoric now, yet for some reason all the threats, hateful and seemingly violence-condoning comments made by the left during Bush's administration. I guess there is no room for discourse both ways. Even more so, why does this sheriff cut the act? Just say what you mean. Everyone knows you means Fox News, Sarah Palin, the Republicans, the Tea Party, Glenn Beck, etc. Stop saving face.
MrBlake14 1 year ago
The RepubliCONS theFar Right Wingnuts of the "FOX NEWS"CULT are the Reason the USA is so HATED in the the World. It's the CONservatives in this World NO MATTER the Religion They Follow that are the EVIL in this World. It isn't the MODERATE Republicans like Ron Paul who has SPOUTED the VILE HATE like the SLUT Sarah Palin& the Rest of the REDNECK DUMBED DOWN Vermon that have INFESTED the Republican Party. FUCK the CONservative Bastards Hang alongside the REST of the TRAITORS in CONgress.
suzieq0452 1 year ago
@suzieq0452 Hang alongside the REST of the TRAITORS in CONgress. Like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi?
bubbiesdad 1 year ago
@suzieq0452 Anger issues?
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
Some of the anger was against the congresswoman as well because she disagreed with Pelosi and was not left enough. It was wiped from KOS. This Sheriff should be held responsible since he has had the shooter under investigation for a while. He has assured people that mental health officials had the kid under control. Talk about irresponsible.
themunz126 1 year ago
There is no way this tool should be sheriff. Liberism is a mental dissorder so that alone should have kept him from being sheriff!!!
spaceace78801 1 year ago 2
Sheriff Dupnik is an embarrassment to Pima County and this state. I've lost all respect for this man with the inflammatory politically motivated disinformation and accusations he's made relative this sickening tragedy. This is the head law enforcement officer of my county and he is inciting hatred and disunity with these unfounded accusations lacking any evidence. He’s just lost the ability to testify in court as a credible witness and as such should not be an officer of the court.
1iceman2004 1 year ago 2
No proof - just opinion. This man stops short of blaming every talk radio conservative as well as the Tea Party movement - yet has no proof. In fact the proof shows the political polar opposite. The only irresponsibility here is with Dupnik's words and opinions ... what a hypocrite! He is doing exactly what he rails against!
sensfaninohio 1 year ago
Megyn is a real American.
apollo13jim 1 year ago
megyn is on my shit list.
rickyseabra 1 year ago
Sheriff Dupnik's friend was murdered.
"Some People" say... is a weasel phrase used often by FOX NEWS.
This guy shows a lot of class and patience in dealing with this feather headed bimbo.
"With respect, you're a democrat" what does that mean? She's trying to rally her audience against him. what a bitch. She knows FOX viewers will automatically dismiss anyone who is a democrat.
fredxmertz 1 year ago
@fredxmertz Calling any woman a "bitch" and a "feather headed bimbo" is really not convincing anyone that you are anything more than a politically polarized misogynist. Calling any woman such names is not only disrespectful - it is juvenile. No matter how much I would disagree with someone, I would never choose to denigrate them in this manner. As a point of clarification, Ms. Kelly is anything but an intellectual light weight, and I don't think you would fare well in a discussion with her.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
Did you know "race car" spelled backwards still spells race car?
The word "eat" is the only word that, if you take the 1st letter and move it to the last, spells its past tense – ate?
And if you rearrange the letters in "Tea Party Republicans" and add just a few more letters, it spells: "Shut-up, you free-loading, progress-blocking, Loughner-loving, homophobic, resource-sucking, racist, hypocritical jerks, and face the fact that you capsized the country under Bush"?
How weird is that?
rickyseabra 1 year ago
@rickyseabra Dude, there is medication for what you are experiencing.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
Please realize that Sheriff Dupnik stopped be a real law enforcement officer when he ran for his first election. He is just another politician. Sheriffs a and Police Chiefs almost never speak for the officers that work for them; they spout the party line of the political party that got them elected or appointed.
1retiredknight 1 year ago
Dupnik should change his last name to DIPSHIT.
dubasher 1 year ago
@dubasher I'll second that.
VOTETHEDUMMYOUT 1 year ago
Sheriff Dupnik rules. It's a real indictment on the conservatives that they scream bloody murder when someone asks them to express themselves more civilly.
Mattbro 1 year ago
@Mattbro Dupnik is a DIPSHIT. Sheriff Joe will tear this commie a new one.
dubasher 1 year ago
@dubasher You describe a conservative Democrat as a Communist? You are exactly what he's talking about, spewing hate and bile. You are what's wrong with America.
Mattbro 1 year ago
@Mattbro DIPSHIT won't enforce the laws of his state and nation? Yeah, he's communist piece of shit. And if he had a brain in that old broken down head of his he'd understand that the shooter was a flag burning, anti-american, constitution hating, communist manifesto reading, leftist nutball. But....he's a DIPSHIT.
dubasher 1 year ago
@dubasher Do you even know what the word communist means? Apparently not. The guy raved about the gold standard and the constitution, which are Tea Party concepts. His favorite books were taken straight from a high school reading list and included not just the Communist Manifesto (left wing), but also Mein Kampf (right wing).
Mattbro 1 year ago
@Mattbro Mein Kampf is right wing? LOL You dipshit jr., Hitler was a NATIONAL SOCIALIST. There is nothing right wing about mein kampf. Dude, Laughner REJECTED the constitution. Do you realize he shot that lady in large part cuz SHE READ THE CONSTITUTION not 48 hours earlier? Face it, the dude was a confused nutball, but his primary ideology was leftist. The "right wing" had HUGE victories in the November elections. Happy people don't shoot people, dumbass.
dubasher 1 year ago
@dubasher Exactly right.
apollo13jim 1 year ago
@dubasher Whether or not he was influenced by Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck isn't so much the point. The point is that when the Sheriff says the discourse needs to be more civil, and hotheads like you call him a communist, you are proving his point.
Mattbro 1 year ago
@Mattbro No, the point is that DIPSHIT sheriff doesn't know what he's talking about. The lunatic was a leftist. The sheriff is too damn stupid to look at facts, not the idiotic ideas in his own head.
dubasher 1 year ago
@Mattbro Conservative democrats no longer exist. The Republican party today is moderate at best, and the Democratic party has embraced the European style socialist agenda.
"Redistribution of wealth" is robbery. Using euphemisms does not make anything more civilized, it simply confuses gullible people. When armed individuals take your money under threat of force, it is robbery.
Calling the murders committed by Laughner, "unlawful terminations of life" would not make them civilized either.
1retiredknight 1 year ago
@Mattbro You mean like when progessives suggested assasination was a means to remove George Bush from office? That sort of civility? No one holds the high ground here and you are foolish to believe otherwise.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent What leading Democrat suggested assassinating Bush? This is false equivalency. On the conservative side you have a national figure (Palin) with several million followers targeting opposing candidates with crosshairs over them and a list of specific names. Who is doing that on the Democrating side? No one. You have an entire movement demonizing Obama as a Marxist for trying to give people health care, for crying out loud. Stop pretending the level of vitriol is the same.
Mattbro 1 year ago
@Mattbro : You are trying to put words in my mouth. I never said "leading democrat", rather it was voices from progressive media such as the dailyKOS. You should also stop trying to paint conservatives with such a broad brush, not every conservative agrees with Sarah Palin or Glen Beck. As for an entire movement demonizing a person - perhaps you have heard of Moveon . org? Yes the vitriol is the same and it is disturbing no matter what the political philosophy.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago 2
@Karnakthemagnificent Well then you didn't make yourself very clear. Are you serious? You're equating a few posts on Daily Kos with the daily stream of invective coming from right-wing radio, Fox News and Sarah Palin, aimed at people who voted for health care reform pioneered by the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney? I don't expect random partisans on the Internet to be civil to one another, although it would be nice. I do expect it from leading national figures, though.
Mattbro 1 year ago
@Mattbro I was quite clear, you chose to hear what you wanted to. The DailyKos, Democratundergound, Media Matters, MSNBC, Chris Mattews, Rachel Madow, Oberman. Come on now, who is fooling who? There are strident voices from both sides, I am just not as self assured as you apparently are about who is telling the truth because I have lived long enough to know better. You mention the Heritage Foundation, try looking at George Soros and see how much money this guy funnels into the progressive agenda
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent Try looking a Murdoch and the Koch brothers and see how much money and propaganda they funnel into the conservative movement.
HabitualHobosexual 1 year ago
@HabitualHobosexual : The point is that no party holds the moral high ground on this issue. The Sheriff pontificates about money coming in from overseas and going to fund political movements. This is right out of the Democratic party talking points (See Pelosi 2010 elections), this is a distortion of the facts and should not be said by the Sheriff - his statements have politicized this tragety and could compromise the criminal case against the shooter.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent You're right. The media and politicians as a whole hold this responsibility and so do all of us including me and you. I am naively hopeful that something good comes out of this situation like maybe we all reflect on ourselves and know we are all Americans. We can disagree on policies without devolving into hatred and bitterness. The atmosphere in this country is at a scary point.
HabitualHobosexual 1 year ago
@HabitualHobosexual Amen..
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent ....I thought the Clinton's had to give back the money to China???
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
@Mattbro like Obama when he says: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun” - “Get in Their Faces!” - “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” - “Hit Back Twice As Hard” - “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick."- Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”- “It’s time to Fight for it.”-“Punish your enemies.”-“I’m itching for a fight.”
themunz126 1 year ago
@themunz126 Now quote what's been said on the right. Then maybe you'll come to the conclusion that everyone and the media and the politicians and us need to grow the fuck up and learn what constructive criticism is. Instead of all this partison jabber that is exchanged.
HabitualHobosexual 1 year ago
Is the Sheriff talking about the leader of our USA? Obama: They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun, Obama to his followers: "Get in their faces, on ACORN mobs: "I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I'm angry, to his mercenary army, "Hit back twice as Hard!, on the private sector, "We talk to these folks...so I know whose ass to kick" to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat” to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
13meemaw 1 year ago
Megyn is a snake. She has the gall to lecture a 75 year old Sheriff w/50 years experience? She is just like all teabaggers who want to stop the conversation by saying this man is politicizing the situation. Ridiculous. No matter the mental health of this punk, this is a political event. A judge was killed, a Congresswoman was nearly killed. She outs him as a Democrat while accusing him of politicizing? Shameful. She & all teabaggers are afraid that their bullsh-t has consequences. And it does.
eqsmooth 1 year ago
@eqsmooththe ...... this dumb ass sheriff, admitting he's got NO facts for what he's speculating about; that he has NO evidence. As a member of the law, this sheriff, says he's got no evidence to support his contention that Tea Party did it first, or was it Sarah Palin?
Sheriff Dupnik is supposed to be the chief law enforcement officer of Pima County. He keeps running to the microphone and spewing uninformed OPINIONS like he's the mayor of New York City.
Libs deal with the facts??
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past. Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County. The sheriff admits to knowing about him since2007..... This may not have happened if you did your job sheriff (.
usagirlfriend 1 year ago
this sheriff is just a bit of a jerk
vanzorge 1 year ago
@vanzorge no he is just smart because he knows what is going on in Arizona and we don't. Maybe Megyn needs to come out as a teabagging bitch.
joespeed87 1 year ago
@joespeed87 - i will be interested in how the good sheriff explains why his office did nothing even though they were aware of death threats that the shooter had been making towards people in the county.
joe - i take it that you are a lib dem
vanzorge 1 year ago
@joespeed87 : I think you need to rethink this, It is never wise for anyone with a handle of joespeed to call any woman a bitch. It smacks of hillbilly misogyny. If you listen carefully to Dupnik, he is constantly injecting personal opinion in to his statements and justifies this by saying that his experience allows him unique insight. Kelly nukes him on this point by making the observation that madmen have always engaged in acts of violence, i.e. Kennedy and King assasinations.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent Jodie Foster did not cause the shooting of Reagan and The Catcher in the Rye did not result in Lennon being killed. Wise up.
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
@DeclareRestore Your point is? I never argued that they caused these things to happen. Megyn Kelly essentially makes the point that an unbalanced person does things for their own reasons, nothing in the case suggests that the shooter was making a political statement. Rather is seems he was retaliating against the government for trying to control his mind.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
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dslehman 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent I agree 100%
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
(3:20 sec) Uh no, I do not have any information to backup my claims as sheriff.
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
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ChrisWI98 1 year ago
How dare liberals politicize the assassination of a .....POLITICIAN. OMG, FauxNew viewers.....DUMB!
ChrisWI98 1 year ago
@ChrisWI98 Not so much politicize but point blame at a whole party for the action of one individual without any facts. This is beyond inappropriate for a sheriff!
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
@DeclareRestore The only person in this interview to superimpose partisan politics was the FauxNews reporter when she used the word "Democrat". Then she suddenly accused the sheriff of politicizing. Very clever projection. Then their impressionable audience believe and repeat their trickery, like you just did. FauxNews anchors aren't stupid, but they count on their followers to be just that.
ChrisWI98 1 year ago
@ChrisWI98 Wow. You called me impressionable and stupid. Who's the clever one now?
If you watched the sheriff's initial press conference, you would see what Megyn Kelly was referring to when she asked why the sheriff was politicizing a tragedy.
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
@DeclareRestore I watched all the videos. Some of the things he said when talking about television and radio: unbalanced...vitriol....hatred....bigotry.... Arizona is the capitol of prejudice...Unbalanced people are especially susceptible to vitriol.
If YOU equate those words to certain pundits or a political movement, then that is something you need to come to terms with. Good luck. I mean that.
ChrisWI98 1 year ago
@ChrisWI98 "tackled the shooter's magazine and gun." more like took it out of his hand while he was being held down. tackled the shooter's magazine and gun. This is just amazing this guy is doing just what he is complaining about. No doubt he blames the right. Dupnik is a jackass. No doubt he opposes anyone that speaks out and disagrees with his views and is using this to attack the right. Before the left points fingers they need to look at the 3 that are pointing back at them.
2012vote 1 year ago
@2012vote Your right. Funny when Amy Bishop an far left Obama supporter shot and killed 3 Professors last year the left said nothing. When a Muslim shot 31 killing 13 at Fort Hood they said Please dont rush to judgement we need to understand him. When a Muslim tried to set off a a car bomb in NYC again please dont rush to judge him. Obama said "if they bring a knife we bring a gun. The left has called the Teaparty every name in the book. The left has 1000 fingers pointing at themselves.
VOTETHEDUMMYOUT 1 year ago
@ChrisWI98 The Sheriff blamed this incident on talk radio without any evidence that this man listened to talk radio. That is the point I am presently arguing. It's completely irresponsible.
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
@ChrisWI98 : Dupnik, as a law enforcement official should not have said anything other than the facts of the case. To do otherwise might taint the criminal case against the shooter. Dupnik states it was harsh political speech that led to this shooting and infers it was talk radio and rightwing politicians. Kelly got him to admit that it was his personal opinion, not fact. As the Sheriff Dupnik's opinon holds greater weight than most citizens and should not be part of an ongoing criminal case.
Karnakthemagnificent 1 year ago
@Karnakthemagnificent Dupnik said that a lady standing in line to take a picture with the Democratic Congresswoman tackled the shooter's magazine and gun. He said it was one of the most heroic acts he's ever seen. That was an opinion too. He wants opinion shapers to be less virulent. As a peacekeeper, he should praise some things and condemn others. The only people offended by his comments are Teabaggers. As Mattbro said so eloquently below, that is a real indictment upon them.
ChrisWI98 1 year ago
@ChrisWI98 "Teabaggers" - nice "unbalanced...vitriol....hatred....bigotry" speech.
Stating that he believes someone's actions are heroic is completely different from fabricating evidence to a crime.
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
America is trying to figure why this bitch is telling everyone on FU News that he is democrat,when he never told anyone else who interview him what party he came from? Does FU News have a fucking agenda against all democrats? If they do,then they need to get out of the news business immediately. By the way,he was telling the truth and FU News will never,ever admit that he is right.
joespeed87 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Megyn, you are so transparent.
gclafontaine 1 year ago
Megyn Kelly is such a whore.
miketothad 1 year ago
damn, you righties are ILLITERATE!
miketothad 1 year ago
to the poster of this video... what if the politician was on the right and the shooter was of the left, would you still believe this shouldn't be politicized? try to be honest.
Lombokstrait1 1 year ago
@Lombokstrait1 There is no evidence that the shooter was from the right. In fact he said that he did not trust religion and read books such a Mien Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. Those would point more towards a left leaning ideology, but in any case, this was a completely unjustifiable act of violence.
Somac2006 1 year ago
@Somac2006 I agree, totally unjustifiable act of violence.
but don't rewrite history. The nazis and hitler were on the far right of the political spectrum where big business / govt / and their military industrial complex converged. mien kampf also embraced zenophobia and hardcore nationalism, which is on the right of the political spectrum. they put socialist in the name of their party just to muddy the waters and confuse the minions.
Lombokstrait1 1 year ago
@Lombokstrait1 Hitler was a Fascists as were the Nazis, and under Fascism, business are privately owned but managed by the government. They want to remove classes, but not by directly control of the economy. That is what we see the liberals in this country doing. i.e. Healthcare, GM, private business takeovers, etc.
Somac2006 1 year ago
@Somac2006 hmmm not really. what we have here is socialism for the rich. which basically is what the far right ends up being. right now we have a govt for the rich and by the rich.... that ain't socialism. that's neo-feudalism / fascism... where big business runs the govt. if you have been paying attention you'll notice big business and the wealthy are doing better than ever. profits were at record high last quarter... yet the economy not so much.
Lombokstrait1 1 year ago
@Lombokstrait1 Wouldn't the far right be anarchy? Less government? Also, didn't business govt and the military converge under Vladimir Lenin? The Nazi party was a socialist party. Then Hitler took control of the German government.
DeclareRestore 1 year ago
@DeclareRestore Anarchy happens when there is no govt at all.
And no private business under lenin vanished completely as did personal property. the political spectrum at both the extreme left or right end with a totalitarian regime. thats the irony of it. extreme left and right meet at the same point eventually. A tiny ruthless ruling class...
fascism is far right... they used the term socialism as a cloak to get the workers to go along with it.
Lombokstrait1 1 year ago
Did you notice the sherrif said HE HAS NOT SEE THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO. If he has not seen the video how does he know this lady actually tackled the shooter? Not only that he says the govt is doing whats best for this country?
This is a government hit. The reason this guy is politicizing this event is because that is what HIS HANDLERS TOLD HIM TO DO.
The FBI has confiscated any evidence and will mostly destroy it or never release it. AMERICANS. OUR CORRUPT GOVT OFFICIALS AND MEDIA ARE EVIL.
LoveBringsTruth 1 year ago
@LoveBringsTruth what is your agenda? are you coming from the right or the left?
Lombokstrait1 1 year ago
so funny.."what evidence do you have that he was watching tv or listening to radio" lol ummm 2011... the information age?? internet..tv..radio.
jimijackson 1 year ago