@PeacfulJoh I could imagine how hard it would be to not clap after the first movement. It's too brilliant and could pass for a piece of it's own or a last movement
If that piano had thoughts, they would be, "PLEASE stop, it's really nice, but...I...was...not...[pant]...built...[wheeze]...for... this!" I had a bet going with myself about which would catch fire first: the piano or Hamelin. Kudos to Alkan for writing a piece which borders on technical impossibility while still containing emotion and musicality, and kudos to Hamelin for being able to play the piece while conveying its many intents to the listener.
That's standard protocol in India for showing impromptu appreciation of some really brilliant interpretation, right in the midst of performance. Western musicians are usually made aware of this in advance, so that they are not caught by surprise. Of course, I am not talking about the relatively sophisticated audiences in metros like Bombay, which are used to western music performances, although even there you do get random applause between movmts from an admirer unwary of western music customs .
You shouldn't be saying "western customs" without accentuating the "classical" part - in jazz, the "custom" is clapping after each solo, and some claps and "whooos" after especially impressive feats is very frequent, as well.
Not sure about clapping traditions in India, but their own classical music is improvisation based as well.
hamelin is the only pianist to have enough skills to play alkan's concerto so naturally and not to precisely (by that I mean a sterile playing; of course hamelin does play almost without wrong notes) and liveless
the audience is also great : no applause between the movements! great! this can destroy a great work like that
Well the leaps in the repetition section here, for example, were clearly somewhat above Hamelin's capabilities, at least at that day, because he fumbles up a LOT there.
Wrong. The Tchaikovsky concerto in B-flat has applause after the first part due to the unexpected length of the first movement. If you watch the Jack Gibbons performance of this concerto, there is applause at the end there as well. I believe there are other examples as well.
well.. that is not really a question to me.. we know that genius exists in this world.. of course, alkan was a genius.. i'm more interested in asking, how the hell Hamelin memorozed all the songs he had to play? this song takes about 27 mins, added up with the other songs totalling up to more than 1h30min.. how??
Thanks! It was a nice show. I found Gibbons interpretation of the Allegro Barbaro here and I do have a few recordings somewhere on casssette tape ... of the Sonatine, could it be? I find it magnificient. he keeps nice control and that lets the piece live. You may be right about Hamelin, though I am amazed at this man's power! (here his speed gets muddy around 6:00) . Alkan, I feel, created fabulous music, but at times he lacked the gift of termination...
this is absolutely amazing!!! i have heard the entire movement 4 times in a row, and i still can't get enough of it! alkan was a GENIUS! why isn't he even half as well known as franz liszt and chopin?he obviously was one of the few in history to match their skill, why doen't he get the respect and fame he deserves?
he was a complete recluse, that may explain why. But I agree with you. I have loved his music ever since discopvery in the late 1970s... I did a special radio show on him back in the early 80s in the USA, and it got good response. At the time there was very little recorded stuff, mostly by Ronald Smith and by Lewenthal. There was also a trio on an LP that I unfortunately lost.
This is said to be in the ranks with the hardest pieces. I say hard because if you can pull it off with the right technique. Not just how you wanna play.
I only discovered Alkan a couple of years ago thanks to a brilliant pianist friend in Edinburgh. Alkan lived at the same time as Chopin and Liszt, and deserves similar acclaim to them. He was unfortunate not to get such "publicity" but at least his stuff is becoming better known now. It's incredibly difficult as you can see.
...this composer clearly had the attitude: "I am going to ram it up their ass all I can"...but he clearly knew how to do it...
fredericfranc 4 months ago
no claps at the end of the perform!?!?!?!
abokadoSM 1 year ago
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5turbo5 1 year ago
@abokadoSM Well it's only the first movement, so it would be improper to clap.
mahler151 11 months ago
I love the exilirating moment at 5:14 and 5:33 is my favorite section
cedricrlongreen 1 year ago
@PeacfulJoh I could imagine how hard it would be to not clap after the first movement. It's too brilliant and could pass for a piece of it's own or a last movement
cedricrlongreen 1 year ago
If that piano had thoughts, they would be, "PLEASE stop, it's really nice, but...I...was...not...[pant]...built...[wheeze]...for... this!" I had a bet going with myself about which would catch fire first: the piano or Hamelin. Kudos to Alkan for writing a piece which borders on technical impossibility while still containing emotion and musicality, and kudos to Hamelin for being able to play the piece while conveying its many intents to the listener.
Bravissimo.
almostlasse123 1 year ago 3
That's standard protocol in India for showing impromptu appreciation of some really brilliant interpretation, right in the midst of performance. Western musicians are usually made aware of this in advance, so that they are not caught by surprise. Of course, I am not talking about the relatively sophisticated audiences in metros like Bombay, which are used to western music performances, although even there you do get random applause between movmts from an admirer unwary of western music customs .
Flamennova 2 years ago
@Flamennova
You shouldn't be saying "western customs" without accentuating the "classical" part - in jazz, the "custom" is clapping after each solo, and some claps and "whooos" after especially impressive feats is very frequent, as well.
Not sure about clapping traditions in India, but their own classical music is improvisation based as well.
twooffour 1 year ago
hamelin is the only pianist to have enough skills to play alkan's concerto so naturally and not to precisely (by that I mean a sterile playing; of course hamelin does play almost without wrong notes) and liveless
the audience is also great : no applause between the movements! great! this can destroy a great work like that
joernbroeker 2 years ago
@joernbroeker
Well the leaps in the repetition section here, for example, were clearly somewhat above Hamelin's capabilities, at least at that day, because he fumbles up a LOT there.
twooffour 1 year ago
Wow, no applause after the first part? That shows considerable restraint from the audience!!
weikko79 2 years ago
There are no applauses between the movements! never
Androslav 2 years ago 6
Wrong. The Tchaikovsky concerto in B-flat has applause after the first part due to the unexpected length of the first movement. If you watch the Jack Gibbons performance of this concerto, there is applause at the end there as well. I believe there are other examples as well.
thunder1909 2 years ago
yes, like horowitz tchaikovsky too
eltachimetro 2 years ago
And Richter after playing Ravel's "Alborada del Gracioso", it's only the fourth movement of five from "Miroirs".
But Androslaw is right. There shouldn't be applause between movements. It annoys me.
OrangeSodaKing 2 years ago
a full orchestra in 88 keys...the work of a true genius. give me a thumbs up if you agree!
MountCashelTuck 3 years ago 42
THUMBS UP
Yamsareverytasty 2 years ago 6
How do these guys write this stuff down?
Darklord12356 3 years ago
well.. that is not really a question to me.. we know that genius exists in this world.. of course, alkan was a genius.. i'm more interested in asking, how the hell Hamelin memorozed all the songs he had to play? this song takes about 27 mins, added up with the other songs totalling up to more than 1h30min.. how??
rvn10rvn17 3 years ago
ahah, where the hell does 9:07 come from
moemoe12321 3 years ago
Thanks! It was a nice show. I found Gibbons interpretation of the Allegro Barbaro here and I do have a few recordings somewhere on casssette tape ... of the Sonatine, could it be? I find it magnificient. he keeps nice control and that lets the piece live. You may be right about Hamelin, though I am amazed at this man's power! (here his speed gets muddy around 6:00) . Alkan, I feel, created fabulous music, but at times he lacked the gift of termination...
Malaka57 3 years ago
this is absolutely amazing!!! i have heard the entire movement 4 times in a row, and i still can't get enough of it! alkan was a GENIUS! why isn't he even half as well known as franz liszt and chopin?he obviously was one of the few in history to match their skill, why doen't he get the respect and fame he deserves?
johnbaptistlulu 3 years ago 6
he was a complete recluse, that may explain why. But I agree with you. I have loved his music ever since discopvery in the late 1970s... I did a special radio show on him back in the early 80s in the USA, and it got good response. At the time there was very little recorded stuff, mostly by Ronald Smith and by Lewenthal. There was also a trio on an LP that I unfortunately lost.
Malaka57 3 years ago
oops i coughed while i watched this. Sorry Hamelin
Yamsareverytasty 3 years ago 3
This is said to be in the ranks with the hardest pieces. I say hard because if you can pull it off with the right technique. Not just how you wanna play.
Godlovesyou234 4 years ago
Lovely music but all that people could see is technique...
I feel so sorry for Alkan...
aldebussy 4 years ago 3
And the bit after 8.30!!!!!
floofers 4 years ago
I only discovered Alkan a couple of years ago thanks to a brilliant pianist friend in Edinburgh. Alkan lived at the same time as Chopin and Liszt, and deserves similar acclaim to them. He was unfortunate not to get such "publicity" but at least his stuff is becoming better known now. It's incredibly difficult as you can see.
floofers 4 years ago
Wow the bit after 5.40 is awesome!
floofers 4 years ago
jesus...
lxr0913 5 years ago