@7World2 the headscissors was perfect. it was the transition to the armbar takedown that was sloppy. it still doesn't diminish either divas talent. it was just a lil sloppy and mis-timed.
Sure it wasn't done super duper fast so that we cant even see what happens, but it is still impressive, still done very quickly and besides this is a WWE match, people arent allowed to move to quickly.
Ok maybe it was a little slow but thats kinda Beth's fault. Maybe it wasn't perfect but at least she tried. I'd like to see you bunch of loosers complaining try that!
Melina is sloppy, sorry but it's the truth. This is a botched La Mistica, she should leave the moves she does to the original person. Yoshi Tonic is shit, this is shit, she made Matt Sydal's The Slice lame. Michelle McCool does a shitty Styles Clash, so a lot of Divas make great moves look like utter garbage.
That was typical Melina, sloppy as hell. Want to see the REAL move watch Mistico (La MIstica) or Quackenbush (La Quackida), those are how the move is really done, not this sloppy mess of a move. She makes great moves look like shit.
As much as i agree, Melina can be big time sloppy and goes for some moves that are simply out of her league.. for instance The Matrix kick, which i haven't seen her do for ages (probably because she is so slow doing it and makes it look pointlessly stupid, her kick has no impact and it's laughable)
But this wasn't her fault, you can clearly see that Beth Phoenix doesn't extend her arm enough for Melina and then goes down slowly and makes it look like crap.
So you want Melina to kick her opponent's face off? Not everything in wrestling has to be as impactful as a powerbomb. Some moves are just for flair. While almost all of Melina's moves have great impact, the matrix kick is one of them there for flair. If it is sold properly -- like Alicia does in my Top 10 Moves of Melina video -- it looks good.
Melina's execution is excellent. This idea that she goes for moves "out of her league" is absurd. She is the best female wrestler in WWE.
@KinglyNumbaOne - No, i'd like to see her actually pull the move off the way it was intended, there is no realism in her matrix kick because whoever she is doing it on has to wait there for her to slowly lift her leg up and then pretend it actually had impact when it clearly didn't.
Again, watch my top ten moves video and see how the move is supposed to go. When it is sold correctly, the move is good. Of course if the person runs back to Melina too quickly while doing nothing, the move will stink. But if, like Alicia, they act as if they are going to hit a double axe handle and sell it correctly, the move looks good.
@KinglyNumbaOne - The same can be said for Christian and Kofi Kingston's Pendulums.. Christian is a really good wrestler, but his Pendulum kick is always mis-timed and it does him no justice at all.. while Kofi Kingston does it spot on and makes it look great.
Melina's execution is not excellent lol, she is a decent enough wrestler for WWE's Standards, but the best?. They've got Natalya and Burchill who could put a clinic on the rest of the Diva roster, along with alot of WWE's Male roster.
Natalya and Katie are both excellent, but Melina has proven that she better than both of them. I don't know what else this woman has to do to prove she is the best female wrestler in the world. Why is it that Bret Hart can see that but other people pretend not to? She has the best body of matches, the best moveset, and the best wrestling skills of any woman currently employed by the WWE.
Yeah, which is why Bret Hart said that she has the best wrestling imagination and is the best female wrestler in the world. I'm sure Bret Hart is a know-nothing idiot and your opinion is SOOOO MUCH more valuable than his.
Face it: You haven't got a clue what you're talking about it. Melina has one of the best wrestling minds -- male or female.
@KinglyNumbaOne He said she was inventive and creative, not that she has great logic in the ring. He'd think she was less creative and imaginative if he knew all her stuff other people do. I'm sure Bret Hart has seen only a few of her 3 minute matches and made his judgment based on that. Not all old heads know what they are talking about. Malenko said some shitty wrestler had the best fundamentals on the indies and dude was the shits compared to anyone in ROH or PWG
Oooooh. He didn't use the exact words you used to denounce her to praise her, therefore what I am saying has no merit, right? That's silly.
In any event, I couldn't care less what Malenko said or didn't say. The fact remains that Bret hart actually gave a specific argument to buttress his point about Melina. Also, for you to say that he made his judgment of one three minute match is to disregard what he said. He said he LOVES watching her wrestle, which indicates more than once
@KinglyNumbaOne You think he spent money to watch her on PPV? Other than that she has only been in short matches on tv. I love to see Kobashi wrestle, but i only watched a few of his matches. Kind of throws your argument off, but I understand what the point is you are trying to make. I don't think Hart spends a lot of time watching wrestling especially outside of wwe. To think he does is silly. If I only watched WWE (and never saw Beth Phoenix) I'd say Melina was the best woman wrestler too
Don't be daft. You don't have to order PPVs to be able to watch PPV matches. I rarely buy PPVs, yet I watch Melina's matches on the night they occur. The idea that you have to spend $40 bucks for every PPV to watch and follow a wrestler is dumb.
If you think you are Beth Phoenix is a better wrestler than Melina, then you don't know what constitutes good wrestling. Beth, while good, is not great like Melina. Beth is only stronger than Melina. Period.
@KinglyNumbaOne I laugh at the idea that Bret sits by his computer and downloads WWE PPVs.
A wrestler's moveset is not what makes him/her a good wrestler. Reading the crowd, knowing what and when to do moves and doing the least amount and recieving the biggest reaction for it, that's wrestling. Telling a great story, that's wrestling. That's what bret hart was about, as well.
Based on your description of what constitutes good wrestling, how can you then say that Beth is a better wrestler than Melina? By the way, I am not saying that Bret downloads all WWE PPVs. Rather, my point was that there are ways to watch and follow a wrestlers matches other than buying PPVs. Heck, every PPV match that Melina has wrestled is on YouTube.
@KinglyNumbaOne Beth gets the best reaction out of her three or so moves. She'll hold someone up in the air during the very end of the match, building to that big bump, then do her finisher. She can get the crowd to be on her side just by staring down her opponent or giving a harsh look. It's really hard to explain without sitting and watching the match and talking it through, but Beth can do more with a lot less. She doesn't have to do flips and a bunch of indy spots to get over.
Okay, I am going to tell why what you just said is very stupid.
First you say that Beth can get a louder reaction for doing very little, and you then try to prove this by citing the fact that she lifts her opponent into the air for ages, which is manifestly a flashy power spot. The idea that because Beth doesn't do flips and spots (which she can't do because she's over 50 pounds bigger than her opponents) means that she doesn't do spots is silly.
Also, I would directly disagree with your assertion that Beth is even over at all. Beth is horrid as a face at getting the crowd behind her, emoting, and playing the face in peril. For you to say that she can get the crowd on her side by merely staring is living in a delusional world. I follow women's wrestling in the WWE rather closely and I can NEVER recall that EVER happening.
@KinglyNumbaOne You don't get it, but it's ok. It'll take a year to make you understand. Her stuff with Santino was more over than anything in the women's division is the last 6 years.
A flashy power spot is essentially nothing. It's like standing there. It takes no energy. The person posts off of you. She does nothing and the crowd goes crazy. That's why Melina is hurt every other month cuz she does stupid shit she can't perform without killing herself and does it in every match.
And you think her stuff with Santino was over because of her? Or do you think that has more to do with the comedy genius that is Santino? You make very silly arguments.
Also, to your point that Melina gets hurt because of the moves she does, all I can say is that it is as manifestly false as it is really stupid. The first time she was injured was because Victoria pushed her off the top rope recklessly. Anyone would have been injured. And her second injury was a freak incident.
Melina has never botched a move to cause her injury. For you to say she has is just dumb.
Also, your argument that Beth just stands there and does nothing is dumb. It takes a lot of strength to lift up two women at the same time and perform repeated backbreaker racks.
I've seen a lot of silly arguments on the internet, but yours are among the silliest.
@rdchili69 -- If you knew anything about wrestling, you'd know that Beth made it sloppy by not slamming herself into the mat quickly like Mistica's opponents do. As for "typical Melina sloppiness" you might want to watch my new Top Ten moves of Melina video -- and I dare you to retype that after watching.
Bret Hart, who knows more about wrestling than you, called her the best wrestler in the world. Please know what you are talking about before talking.
@KinglyNumbaOne I know more about wrestling than you do, calling Melina anything near a great wrestler is insulting to those who can actually wrestle, people like Gail Kim, Natayla, Sara Del Ray, Megumi Kudome, etc... those are women who can actually wrestle.
@KinglyNumbaOne I did watch your video. The bridging Reverse Chinlock is Austin Aries Horns of Aries/Last Chancery and he does it better than he as usual, she can barely keep herself in the bridging position which isn't really all that hard to do. She does a Curb Stomp but pulls the hair, big whoop, Super Dragon's Curb Stomp owns it. Grapevine Bridings Reverse STF is a Single Leg Muta Lock again, the original is better.
youre comparing a woman that was trained by a company that doesnt give a crap about women, to wrestlers that were in places that cared about female wrestling, so of course theyre better than her
la mistica de melina perez viva mexico cabrones
alexreymysterio619jr 2 months ago
@alexreymysterio619jr What did you say?
7World2 1 month ago
sloppy
drupares 6 months ago
@drupares Are we looking at the same video..? or no..maybe I should adjust my screen....
7World2 2 months ago
@7World2 the headscissors was perfect. it was the transition to the armbar takedown that was sloppy. it still doesn't diminish either divas talent. it was just a lil sloppy and mis-timed.
drupares 2 months ago
Tilt-a-whirl into an (ATTEMPTED) Omnoplata
diack8 7 months ago
Sure it wasn't done super duper fast so that we cant even see what happens, but it is still impressive, still done very quickly and besides this is a WWE match, people arent allowed to move to quickly.
SINSSTER 8 months ago
Ok maybe it was a little slow but thats kinda Beth's fault. Maybe it wasn't perfect but at least she tried. I'd like to see you bunch of loosers complaining try that!
JerryThunder1 8 months ago
That was Sin Cara's move before he moved to the WWE....he does it WAY much faster...
orami93 9 months ago
La mistica but the ugly and low level version.
SSKACG 1 year ago 21
LA MISTICA
jhniscolV2 1 year ago 12
Melina is sloppy, sorry but it's the truth. This is a botched La Mistica, she should leave the moves she does to the original person. Yoshi Tonic is shit, this is shit, she made Matt Sydal's The Slice lame. Michelle McCool does a shitty Styles Clash, so a lot of Divas make great moves look like utter garbage.
rdchili69 1 year ago
@rdchili69 At least the Divas NOW, Lita or Trish or Gail Kim would've mastered it
Qiuera91 1 year ago
That was typical Melina, sloppy as hell. Want to see the REAL move watch Mistico (La MIstica) or Quackenbush (La Quackida), those are how the move is really done, not this sloppy mess of a move. She makes great moves look like shit.
rdchili69 2 years ago
As much as i agree, Melina can be big time sloppy and goes for some moves that are simply out of her league.. for instance The Matrix kick, which i haven't seen her do for ages (probably because she is so slow doing it and makes it look pointlessly stupid, her kick has no impact and it's laughable)
But this wasn't her fault, you can clearly see that Beth Phoenix doesn't extend her arm enough for Melina and then goes down slowly and makes it look like crap.
caemawred 2 years ago 2
@caemawred
So you want Melina to kick her opponent's face off? Not everything in wrestling has to be as impactful as a powerbomb. Some moves are just for flair. While almost all of Melina's moves have great impact, the matrix kick is one of them there for flair. If it is sold properly -- like Alicia does in my Top 10 Moves of Melina video -- it looks good.
Melina's execution is excellent. This idea that she goes for moves "out of her league" is absurd. She is the best female wrestler in WWE.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne - No, i'd like to see her actually pull the move off the way it was intended, there is no realism in her matrix kick because whoever she is doing it on has to wait there for her to slowly lift her leg up and then pretend it actually had impact when it clearly didn't.
caemawred 1 year ago
@caemawred
Again, watch my top ten moves video and see how the move is supposed to go. When it is sold correctly, the move is good. Of course if the person runs back to Melina too quickly while doing nothing, the move will stink. But if, like Alicia, they act as if they are going to hit a double axe handle and sell it correctly, the move looks good.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne - The same can be said for Christian and Kofi Kingston's Pendulums.. Christian is a really good wrestler, but his Pendulum kick is always mis-timed and it does him no justice at all.. while Kofi Kingston does it spot on and makes it look great.
Melina's execution is not excellent lol, she is a decent enough wrestler for WWE's Standards, but the best?. They've got Natalya and Burchill who could put a clinic on the rest of the Diva roster, along with alot of WWE's Male roster.
caemawred 1 year ago
@caemawred
Natalya and Katie are both excellent, but Melina has proven that she better than both of them. I don't know what else this woman has to do to prove she is the best female wrestler in the world. Why is it that Bret Hart can see that but other people pretend not to? She has the best body of matches, the best moveset, and the best wrestling skills of any woman currently employed by the WWE.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago 2
@KinglyNumbaOne She has the moves, but not the logic
GhostlyPapaya 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Yeah, which is why Bret Hart said that she has the best wrestling imagination and is the best female wrestler in the world. I'm sure Bret Hart is a know-nothing idiot and your opinion is SOOOO MUCH more valuable than his.
Face it: You haven't got a clue what you're talking about it. Melina has one of the best wrestling minds -- male or female.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne He said she was inventive and creative, not that she has great logic in the ring. He'd think she was less creative and imaginative if he knew all her stuff other people do. I'm sure Bret Hart has seen only a few of her 3 minute matches and made his judgment based on that. Not all old heads know what they are talking about. Malenko said some shitty wrestler had the best fundamentals on the indies and dude was the shits compared to anyone in ROH or PWG
GhostlyPapaya 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Oooooh. He didn't use the exact words you used to denounce her to praise her, therefore what I am saying has no merit, right? That's silly.
In any event, I couldn't care less what Malenko said or didn't say. The fact remains that Bret hart actually gave a specific argument to buttress his point about Melina. Also, for you to say that he made his judgment of one three minute match is to disregard what he said. He said he LOVES watching her wrestle, which indicates more than once
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
And it was more than a few of her three-minute matches. You don't love to watch someone wrestle and only watch a few of their matches.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne You think he spent money to watch her on PPV? Other than that she has only been in short matches on tv. I love to see Kobashi wrestle, but i only watched a few of his matches. Kind of throws your argument off, but I understand what the point is you are trying to make. I don't think Hart spends a lot of time watching wrestling especially outside of wwe. To think he does is silly. If I only watched WWE (and never saw Beth Phoenix) I'd say Melina was the best woman wrestler too
GhostlyPapaya 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Don't be daft. You don't have to order PPVs to be able to watch PPV matches. I rarely buy PPVs, yet I watch Melina's matches on the night they occur. The idea that you have to spend $40 bucks for every PPV to watch and follow a wrestler is dumb.
If you think you are Beth Phoenix is a better wrestler than Melina, then you don't know what constitutes good wrestling. Beth, while good, is not great like Melina. Beth is only stronger than Melina. Period.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne I laugh at the idea that Bret sits by his computer and downloads WWE PPVs.
A wrestler's moveset is not what makes him/her a good wrestler. Reading the crowd, knowing what and when to do moves and doing the least amount and recieving the biggest reaction for it, that's wrestling. Telling a great story, that's wrestling. That's what bret hart was about, as well.
GhostlyPapaya 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Based on your description of what constitutes good wrestling, how can you then say that Beth is a better wrestler than Melina? By the way, I am not saying that Bret downloads all WWE PPVs. Rather, my point was that there are ways to watch and follow a wrestlers matches other than buying PPVs. Heck, every PPV match that Melina has wrestled is on YouTube.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne Beth gets the best reaction out of her three or so moves. She'll hold someone up in the air during the very end of the match, building to that big bump, then do her finisher. She can get the crowd to be on her side just by staring down her opponent or giving a harsh look. It's really hard to explain without sitting and watching the match and talking it through, but Beth can do more with a lot less. She doesn't have to do flips and a bunch of indy spots to get over.
GhostlyPapaya 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Okay, I am going to tell why what you just said is very stupid.
First you say that Beth can get a louder reaction for doing very little, and you then try to prove this by citing the fact that she lifts her opponent into the air for ages, which is manifestly a flashy power spot. The idea that because Beth doesn't do flips and spots (which she can't do because she's over 50 pounds bigger than her opponents) means that she doesn't do spots is silly.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Also, I would directly disagree with your assertion that Beth is even over at all. Beth is horrid as a face at getting the crowd behind her, emoting, and playing the face in peril. For you to say that she can get the crowd on her side by merely staring is living in a delusional world. I follow women's wrestling in the WWE rather closely and I can NEVER recall that EVER happening.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne You don't get it, but it's ok. It'll take a year to make you understand. Her stuff with Santino was more over than anything in the women's division is the last 6 years.
A flashy power spot is essentially nothing. It's like standing there. It takes no energy. The person posts off of you. She does nothing and the crowd goes crazy. That's why Melina is hurt every other month cuz she does stupid shit she can't perform without killing herself and does it in every match.
GhostlyPapaya 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
And you think her stuff with Santino was over because of her? Or do you think that has more to do with the comedy genius that is Santino? You make very silly arguments.
Also, to your point that Melina gets hurt because of the moves she does, all I can say is that it is as manifestly false as it is really stupid. The first time she was injured was because Victoria pushed her off the top rope recklessly. Anyone would have been injured. And her second injury was a freak incident.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@GhostlyPapaya
Melina has never botched a move to cause her injury. For you to say she has is just dumb.
Also, your argument that Beth just stands there and does nothing is dumb. It takes a lot of strength to lift up two women at the same time and perform repeated backbreaker racks.
I've seen a lot of silly arguments on the internet, but yours are among the silliest.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@rdchili69 -- If you knew anything about wrestling, you'd know that Beth made it sloppy by not slamming herself into the mat quickly like Mistica's opponents do. As for "typical Melina sloppiness" you might want to watch my new Top Ten moves of Melina video -- and I dare you to retype that after watching.
Bret Hart, who knows more about wrestling than you, called her the best wrestler in the world. Please know what you are talking about before talking.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne I know more about wrestling than you do, calling Melina anything near a great wrestler is insulting to those who can actually wrestle, people like Gail Kim, Natayla, Sara Del Ray, Megumi Kudome, etc... those are women who can actually wrestle.
Melina makes herself sloppy, not anyone else.
rdchili69 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne I did watch your video. The bridging Reverse Chinlock is Austin Aries Horns of Aries/Last Chancery and he does it better than he as usual, she can barely keep herself in the bridging position which isn't really all that hard to do. She does a Curb Stomp but pulls the hair, big whoop, Super Dragon's Curb Stomp owns it. Grapevine Bridings Reverse STF is a Single Leg Muta Lock again, the original is better.
rdchili69 1 year ago
@rdchili69
youre comparing a woman that was trained by a company that doesnt give a crap about women, to wrestlers that were in places that cared about female wrestling, so of course theyre better than her
also how does she make the Slice look lame?
jhniscolV2 1 year ago
reminds me of La Mistica
808TROY 2 years ago
This is one reason why Bret Hart praises her time and time again.
theshowstoppah 2 years ago 2
AWESOME!
BlaqueOut89 3 years ago