i have one solution. Belgium should set up or establish another different language which could english.Most people speack two or three language easily in that country
@fgj4001 It's completely unacceptable. They're proud of their languages, because it encompasses their culture, their birthplace. It's easy for you to say because it's your mother tongue. As far as I know, both Flanders and Wallonia are very proud. Another reason is that they wouldn't simply adopt English, because it's the global language, it's everywhere in the world; I agree it's practical, but no linguist'd agree. After all, the country who's responsible for all this mess is the UK.
@LizzieShan1994 i'm was talking about actual flemish names that also are pronounced as if they're french, not leterme... same with brugge/bruges and other belgian cities, everyone always uses the french names.
@figaro4555 In fact Belgium is part of the ''Low Lands'' too. To which we owe our name. And they will keep their names. Like there are ''Hollanders'' and ''Limburgers'' (2 regions). Well that's what I think, and in my opinion it wouldn't be bad for us to become one.
if there is a limb infected with gangreen you have to cut it off in order to stay alive. So if wallonia does not intend to make their economy healthy again, belgium must split in order to save the healthy part :). I do not want it to be seperate either, but there is not a single system working if the one part has to support the other, without gaining anything in return. Wallonia must make their economy healthy because Flanders can't keep up with the debts that they bring us in!
Next time, have the courtesy to ask the questions in either of our country's languages, instead of English. Maybe you'll have better and less biased responses.
2:55 in 1998 the Belgians waited almost 150 days for a government.. 4 years later, Belgium still exists and we're once again waiting.. having a déja-vu..
Very disappointed by Al Jazeera. Usually they do real journalism, but this time maybe some correct demographics would help : the french speaking is around 35% of the population, not 50% as stated in the video.
And about the flemish school: isn't it normal that whem you emigrate to an other country with a different language that you learn that language? There is the problem: lot's of french speaking walloons came living in flanders without learning the language. Isn't it normal that their kids are expected to learn dutch at school, by going to a dutch school? It's all a case of respect, in both ways! I'm Belgian and proud of it! Now after almost a year without government, it's time to find a sollution!
This documantary is a fraud! To begin with by showing the italian flag and second by sayong Brussels is french speaking (it's officially bilingual)! After that they say that the amount of walloons against flemish is the same... WRONG again, 60% flemish! Also have to say that the amount of flemish radicals that want to split Belgium is a small minority! ( less then 10%). Most just want more rights for the economical strong north!
@belbraz10 I agree and disagree. The Italian flag hahaha really I was WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT???
Ok brussels is officially bilingual but we all know that most of people speak french. everywhere in brussels. I hear people speaking spanish or english more often than dutch.
@belbraz10 Small minority ?? Less than 10% ? What about close of the 30% of flamish that voted for NVA ?? Do you know the first term of their fondment status??
Don't the Flemish get second billing to French? What's funny is the best schools are in the north. Of course the French speakers don't want separation because they'll get the short end of the stick. Nederland 1 - 0 België.
ohh and btw 3:26 flanders is discriminating to the french speaking? yeah right, go as a french to the baker in flanders and go as a dutch to a baker in wallonie you will see the diffrence...
If it weren't for the spanish king, Belgium and the netherlands would have still been together as one country ( probably ), which means that there wouldn't have been a problem with the differences in language. Too Bad the spanish king wanted the low lands so much :p
@MialloMarco Get your facts right. Belgium split of the Netherlands in 1830, the so-called Belgian Revolution. They wanted to be independent, hence their battle cries such as "We want Willem Gone" (Wij willen Willem weg)". Willem van Oranje was the Dutch King by the way. The spanish king had nothing to do with this.
@MentalHaraKiri Volgens mij toch niet hoor. Ik heb het dit jaar nog allemaal gezien bij Nederlands Cultuurgeschiedenis. Antwerpen en Brussel stonden zelfs nog achter Willem van oranje voor een paar jaar. De Spaanse koning wou de lage landen terug en stuurde hij iemand om dat terug te krijgen, maar het mislukte deels. De koning had wel het zuidelijke gedeelte kunnen bemachtigen. Hierdoor hebben de Nederlanden dan maar een Grens gemaakt tussen België en Nederland en jaren later werd het officieel
@MialloMarco Spaanse koning? Bedoel je Karel V/Carlos V/Charles V? Dat was een Vlaming en hij was Graaf van Vlaanderen, Koning van Spanje en Keizer van het Heilige Romaanse Rijk. Dat was 100en jaren voor de onafhankelijkheid van België.
@MentalHaraKiri 200 jaar later, na de nederlaag van Napoleon, ging België terug op in het verenigd Koninkrijk der Nederlanden. De twee landen echter waren al zo lang gescheiden van elkaar dat het geen nut meer had om het terug één geheel te maken waardoor ze in 1830 onafhankelijkheid hebben bemachtigd.
@MialloMarco Ik had het inderdaad over de kortdurende Nederlandse overheersing van 1815 tot 1830, mijn excuses. Uit de tachtig-jarige Oorlog is inderdaad de split definitief geworden. Maar ik denk niet dat een gemeenschappelijke taal voldoende zou geweest zijn om (zie vervolg)
@MialloMarco de Verenigde Lage Landen samen te houden. Het protestantse Noorden tegenover het katholieke Zuiden, etc. "Geen nut" zeg je, het was eerder vanuit ongenoegen vanuit de Franstalige elite in Vlaanderen, en de levensbeschouwelijke breuklijn die ik daarjuist aanhaalde. Maar je was inderdaad juist, ik had het wat misbegrepen, mijn excuses :)
@MentalHaraKiri Geen probleem hoor. Daar heb je inderdaad wel gelijk in. De mensen die protestants waren zijn tijdens de tachtig jarige oorlog allemaal naar het noorden gevlucht, al de intellectuelen, en de 'boeren', de gelovigen, bleven dus inderdaad achter in het huidige België. Maar goed, het is nu opgeklaard :)
Flanders, come be a part of Netherlands, it is better to us, we will have the Antwerp Port, the second largest port of Europe, and with the Rotterdam Port, our economy will rise significantly.
@MrVuit012 With the exception of language, Flanders has as little ties as with Wallonia. Dutch people have different values, a different culture. Your propostion wouldn't solve anything. Might as well stay as Belgium then.
Update for those who care: Still no government here in Belgium. Since the time of this clip there was a sort of placeholder government that immediately fell, then re-elections and now the elected parties have been arguing again for more than half a year unable to find a compromise. We have been without government for 3 years now.
@o0ze well flanders is just a small little piece of land, they can't provide for themselves, history has shown it, and by the way half of our population doesn't speak turkish!
@DonAlektrionas "well flanders is just a small little piece of land, they can't provide for themselves, history has shown it"
Uh, when calculated separately the Flemish GDP per capita is in the top 3 of Europe and 80% of the Belgian GDP is created by the Flemish. The Belgian GDP is 20% higher than that of your own Greece, even though we are only 10 million people (+ aren't bankrupt).
Brussels airport lies in Flanders, also Antwerp (2nd largest port in Europe) + Zeebrugge (largest RoRo port in Europe), 80% of the world's uncut diamonds end up in Antwerp and so on. Flemish kids score top ranks internationally in science, math & languages. We have a booming tourist industry, high-tech r&d and manufacturing (medical tech & optics mostly), several leading pharmaceutical companies, 2 world-class universities, etc.
Our population is of similar size as the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and others.
So why wouldn't we be able to provide for ourselves? We're already doing so for a country twice our own size, a country where nothing we ever do or say is appreciated. Split up and move on. Alles geven, Grietje.
@DonAlektrionas Dont forget that all the money is coming from flanders not from the noble french
Encore un wallon egoiste Qui ne comprend pas la situation en Belgique. Regarde autour de toi. Dont forget that all the money is coming from flanders not from the noble french
@matrevoltx Yeah right, the argument about money. Before believing everything BDW tells u, try and inform yourself. Unemployment is nowdiminishing faster in wallonia and brussels than in flanders, and I bet I make more money than you. And excuse me, but if you've given us any money, we should've seen it somewhere right? Well our highways are still way more depraved than yours, so politicians didn't make anything out of it, and I've never received any money from you either...
You have a point. The thing is, the belgian politic's mentality doesn't reflect the people's. But some people just believe too much in politics... It's two separate worlds but yet some aren't clever enough to think things through, they just drink words from politicians and the news. Where do we go with such a lack critical behaviour? I have no problem with flemish people, my GF is flemish... But she is SICK over Vlamingen, though, they are like a third of Flanders...
@zeLordz and how sick do you think we are of so many francophones always victimising themselves and never facing the problems head on? it's always our fault, isn't it...
I'm Flemish, and I must say, most of the problematique is caused by fanatic frustrated flamingant bastards. Most of the problems with language etc. were stirred up by nationalist nuts on both sides of the language border.. There is a problem with politics in Belgium, but it has less to do with the two languages and Walloons and Flamish than with bad parties and greedy politicians.
I really don't understend this irrational need to divide this small country. Language? God, let the people in the world have only such stupid problems!
@Synthiotics hm... i think that pll like u're the part of the problem indeed for I don't care what will happen with this signifing nothing "country". I said only that after some experiences with guys like u I think the "Belgians" are stupid ignorants without future.
As a Dutch speaking Belgian i can say this to the world:
I am a Belgian in the first place, a European in the second. Our culture goes back more than 2000 years. And as such it will stay.
Our country is suffering from politic mind games from the Flemish politicians whom came from the original Flemish region trying to conquer the rest of the Dutch speaking Belgians. See the history between Brabant and Vlaanderen.
@siriatu LOL! Het Graafschap Vlaanderen en het Hertogdom Brabant bestaan niet meer sinds 1795. Het "Vlaanderen" van vandaag is enkel een naamgeving voor "de Unie van de Vlaamse Gemeenschap en het Vlaamse Gewest" ofwel "het nederlandstalig gedeelte van België". Die naam is er gekomen in 1989, meer dan 200 jaar later dus. Het Vlaanderen van vandaag heeft NIETS te maken met de oude graafschappen. Over de naam is trouwens beslist in de Vlaamse regering, waarin ook brabanders en limburgers zetelen.
Even though i don't like to learn all these languages. (I live in the north part of belgium) In the end I'm very gratefull i have to. And i can fully understand why some people don't want to learn flemish. I mean most of the time we don't even understand each other! You can't demand people to learn your language! When you go to another land or somewhere in your own country it's enough to see people make an effort. You don't go and learn spanish when you go there on a holiday!
Everyone is welcome here as long as they respect us, our culture and our language. Not too much to ask, I hope. If we Flemish were to move to a Franco region would you allow us to "Flemify" entire Franco areas while constantly disrespecting the original inhabitants, and then having the nerve to ask those same people to pay for your wellfare check, your pensions, etc? This isn't about racism, it's about a chronic lack of respect toward the Flemish culture, and we will not tolerate it any longer.
@MareMarginis "we will not tolerate it any longer" ..... very clever! It's because of such stupid thinking that were are here today. Thank you very much!
To the Francophones here saying the Flemish are racists and that Flemish schools only allow Flemish kids... Wow, have you ever been here? Here's a music clip that shows a fairly realistic view of all the diversity in Flemish schools:
Laura - Stapelgek Op Jou (official HD music video)
This makes me laugh bec 3 years later, it's still the same mess on here, even worse, the government , fell, again a few months ago tor same reasons !! Just can LOL at all that !
the flemish where the only ones fighting for belgium in ww1, the frenchspeaking belgians where most of the time arrogant officers who said their commands in french and then said "le meme pour le flamands" which means same goes for the flemish
hahaha wtf is that talk about ?? what do u mena by the flemish were the onlly ones to fight for belgium ? Nothing can b more wrong that what u state on here, sorry !!And anyway ww2 is past , is it a reson to go on shitting the country like some nationalists flemish do ?
i'm happy that not every francophone is afraid enough to show their true nature, thanks GDZjeenik! please continue to show everyone your true colours!!!
@Hasaluth And sadly, many flemish are also afraid to show their true nature. Mister quadrilingue XD I really doubt you talk 4 languages smoothly. Many pretend to talk, but when you start any sentence, they stay there with their open bakkes and their mouth full of theet. Wanker ROFLMAO.
De Walen moeten wanneer in Vlaanderen het Nederlands spreken, de Vlamingen spreken Frans wanneer in Wallonië zijn. Nederlands is niet zo moeilijk, kijk naar mij - ik ben Amerikaan, vermoedelijk het luiste land in de wereld is, en ik kun tot op zekere hoogte Nederlands spreken (het is niet perfect, ik weet het). Vlug een beetje!
As an outsider living in Belgium, well, maybe I'm not the best one to talk, but I think Belgium is better off just being as no-nonsense about politics as it is about most things and trying to build bridges instead of tearing apart what I think is a great country and a beautiful melding of cultures.
Besides, split from each other, you will probably all lose Brussels because it doesn't really need either Wallonia or Flanders. I don't think anyone wants that.
@WynneL Brussels kind of depends on Flanders, not only for monetary support but its airport and other services are located inside of Flanders. It's also surrounded by it, no part of Brussels touches Wallonian territory.
This broadcast is so pro-French it is ridiculous. This Tania Page chick clearly doesn't understand history and is not competent to be prognosticating on anything. I cannot wait for the establishment of the Flemish Republic. Leve Vlaanderen!
The international press is mostely informated by the Frech community. And the French community isn't objective. I'm sorry, but in school, we, Flemish teenagers, get 4 houres dutch, and 4 houres French, every week. We do talk French. And we only want to keep our own identity. We our proud of who we are. And isn't it normal that government institutions in Flanders should help their citizens in their own language? Imagine that they would send a tax letter in Spanish instead English.
@coveryfire Part 1 : In fact flemish people (especially the younger generations, like me) speak English very well, as it is a part of Flemish education. Our Walloon counterparts seriously lack in this specific part. The whole problem of Belgium is, that you have a "more" richer Flemish speaking people in the north and that a lot of flemish tax money goes to the Walloons, and that there is an increased amount of french speakers in in certain flemish city's.... ==>
@coveryfire ==> that make up then more then 70 % of the population and refuse to learn flemish and want their children to be thought in french schools etc. etc. To really understand our problem you have to know that flemish used to be "the workers/peasants language" hunderd years ago and that ALL, and i mean all (universities/medical/government) spoke solely french. Now the roles are reversed so this naturally causes for some tensions.
If you want to go to an English speaking region, you learn English. If you want to go to a Dutch (Flemish) speaking region, you learn dutch. It is a matter of courtesy. The Francophones refuse this. That is the problem: no courtesy at all, only 'dedain' for other languages.
Talk about being biased.. It's not even an issue in most of the country and occurrences like this are rare and born out of frustration. But it is true is that a growing majority of us have pretty much had it with the unworkable political situation and inequal reporting on the communal issues here in Belgium, and if it weren't for Brussels we'd have gone for independence by now.
It's about quality not quantity. For me it can separate. I never received any respect in Brussels as a Flemish guy. I never had a Wallon attempting to speak dutch in my line of job which is in Flemish side. I came to a point that as soon my location is Brussels or Flanders, I simply refuse to speak french.
@SpracheSprecher The Francophones are welcome to join France but not with Brussels attached (not that France would be willing to cough up billions of € every single year to fund the failing Walloon economy & infrastructure). If this country breaks up the Flemish want a republic with a president, as very few of us feel any close relationship with the northern Dutch (who possibly are even more chauvinist than the Francophones in the country) and least of all their orange monarchy.
I've been in Beligum and I noticed that in Flanders people knew to speak in English quite good while in Waloonia they were not so fluent... And some didn't even understand the basics... I think french speakers should understand for once that french is not the ligua franca and that tourists are not supposed to speak french but ENGLISH!!! Swallow your pride!!!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when reading these comments. I can understand how some folks could get the wrong impressions, that we are on the brink of war and ready to slit eachother's throats. But honestly, on an individual level most Flemings and Francophones get along just fine. It's only on YouTube that these discussions become heated, most of all the because many posters here (including myself) are in their teens or early twenties.
I'd like to add that in everyday life you will notice nothing of this, especially not outside of Brussels and few other bordertowns. And if you do, it'll be a dirty look at the most, nothing more. This isn't the Balkans, we're not about to start killing eachother. Generally speaking, I and many Flemings have no issue whatsoever speaking French to anyone. But it is not normal that someone from Pakistan can learn Dutch no problem, yet someone from the same nationality refuses to do so.
I'm not saying the Flemish are without blame, mistakes have been made on both sides, but with a history like that you can't blame us for wanting to protect our language and our rights.
I'm going to stop because 500 char youtube comments are no place to discuss this, I constantly have to delete important points to make it all fit. All I'm saying is that the international media only looks at the results of what has happened, never the cause.
why should they divide the language in Belgium? why not just learn both so both of the Wallonian's and Flander's can stop arguing about it and so they can understand each other, honestly I don't see what the problem is, there are some countries out there that are bilingual or multilingual, there is this film called "Hop" which is a French and Flemish film, honestly I think both French and Flemish are cool languages, I'm learning Dutch now
We get blamed for standing up for our rights in a country that was built on French-first (study some Belgian history if this interests you enough to discuss about it), where the majority Flemish had less rights than the minority Francophones, where most of the income came from Flanders but all the investments went to Wallonia, etc. We're not about to let that happen again.
But again, this is about far more than language, it's more a clash of ideologies and, of course, money.
Ah yes the French, possibly and most likely the least informed or most ill-informed people when it comes to Belgium. No wonder really, all your information comes from the Belgian francophone press, which is more like propaganda than anything else. It's shameful how they have given the Flemish a bad name.
@SturmUndDrang13 Brussels is a city which now belongs to the world.
basscann0n 4 months ago
@basscann0n. Nothing belongs to the world.
SturmUndDrang13 4 months ago
@Aeoen Not between the young funnily enough, between the old and greedy!
basscann0n 4 months ago
i have one solution. Belgium should set up or establish another different language which could english.Most people speack two or three language easily in that country
fgj4001 6 months ago
@fgj4001 It's completely unacceptable. They're proud of their languages, because it encompasses their culture, their birthplace. It's easy for you to say because it's your mother tongue. As far as I know, both Flanders and Wallonia are very proud. Another reason is that they wouldn't simply adopt English, because it's the global language, it's everywhere in the world; I agree it's practical, but no linguist'd agree. After all, the country who's responsible for all this mess is the UK.
leoYANG96 1 month ago
The way she says Yves Leterme, like he's french...
LizzieShan1994 7 months ago
@LizzieShan1994 even if it's a flemish name she still pronounces it as if it's french...
Synthiotics 6 months ago
@Synthiotics yea i know, it's what i said
LizzieShan1994 6 months ago
@LizzieShan1994 i'm was talking about actual flemish names that also are pronounced as if they're french, not leterme... same with brugge/bruges and other belgian cities, everyone always uses the french names.
Synthiotics 6 months ago
typo... "i was"
Synthiotics 6 months ago
Flanders unites with Holland. Walloon unites with France.
Solved.
Icaurs389 7 months ago
@Icaurs389 not really
AegisLow 7 months ago
@Icaurs389 Solved ? Do you really think belgians want to leave their country like that ?
figaro4555 7 months ago
@figaro4555 How do you mean ''leave'' their country?
Icaurs389 7 months ago
@Icaurs389 Obviously,if flanders unites with holland and wallonia unites with france,belgian wouldn't exist anymore,so they kinda would leave belgium
figaro4555 7 months ago
@figaro4555 In fact Belgium is part of the ''Low Lands'' too. To which we owe our name. And they will keep their names. Like there are ''Hollanders'' and ''Limburgers'' (2 regions). Well that's what I think, and in my opinion it wouldn't be bad for us to become one.
Icaurs389 7 months ago
@Icaurs389 yea, belgians aren't bothered with giving up their country right, dumbass
LizzieShan1994 6 months ago
if there is a limb infected with gangreen you have to cut it off in order to stay alive. So if wallonia does not intend to make their economy healthy again, belgium must split in order to save the healthy part :). I do not want it to be seperate either, but there is not a single system working if the one part has to support the other, without gaining anything in return. Wallonia must make their economy healthy because Flanders can't keep up with the debts that they bring us in!
iSilkeSmeesters 7 months ago
Next time, have the courtesy to ask the questions in either of our country's languages, instead of English. Maybe you'll have better and less biased responses.
TheFingersHurt 8 months ago
If Flanders' economy goes down, so Wallonia? // Let's go to work people, theres a country to re-build and a nation to be born!
darkrhawk 8 months ago
2:55 in 1998 the Belgians waited almost 150 days for a government.. 4 years later, Belgium still exists and we're once again waiting.. having a déja-vu..
boate2 9 months ago
Very disappointed by Al Jazeera. Usually they do real journalism, but this time maybe some correct demographics would help : the french speaking is around 35% of the population, not 50% as stated in the video.
281074leek 9 months ago
Aljazeera is not a balanced source for information.
InvasorEspacial007 9 months ago 2
And about the flemish school: isn't it normal that whem you emigrate to an other country with a different language that you learn that language? There is the problem: lot's of french speaking walloons came living in flanders without learning the language. Isn't it normal that their kids are expected to learn dutch at school, by going to a dutch school? It's all a case of respect, in both ways! I'm Belgian and proud of it! Now after almost a year without government, it's time to find a sollution!
belbraz10 10 months ago 9
This documantary is a fraud! To begin with by showing the italian flag and second by sayong Brussels is french speaking (it's officially bilingual)! After that they say that the amount of walloons against flemish is the same... WRONG again, 60% flemish! Also have to say that the amount of flemish radicals that want to split Belgium is a small minority! ( less then 10%). Most just want more rights for the economical strong north!
belbraz10 10 months ago 3
@belbraz10 I agree and disagree. The Italian flag hahaha really I was WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT???
Ok brussels is officially bilingual but we all know that most of people speak french. everywhere in brussels. I hear people speaking spanish or english more often than dutch.
pitijo10 9 months ago
@pitijo10 same goes for french, i hear more english and arabic in brussels.
Donar331 7 months ago
@Donar331 hahahah great ^^
pitijo10 7 months ago
@belbraz10 Small minority ?? Less than 10% ? What about close of the 30% of flamish that voted for NVA ?? Do you know the first term of their fondment status??
titescoute 8 months ago
Don't the Flemish get second billing to French? What's funny is the best schools are in the north. Of course the French speakers don't want separation because they'll get the short end of the stick. Nederland 1 - 0 België.
XlPH0S 10 months ago
100 days , more like 4 years now
ArenaRapest 10 months ago
ohh and btw 3:26 flanders is discriminating to the french speaking? yeah right, go as a french to the baker in flanders and go as a dutch to a baker in wallonie you will see the diffrence...
christtttn 10 months ago 3
why is the italian flag backwards at the screen at the begining? o.o
christtttn 10 months ago
If it weren't for the spanish king, Belgium and the netherlands would have still been together as one country ( probably ), which means that there wouldn't have been a problem with the differences in language. Too Bad the spanish king wanted the low lands so much :p
MialloMarco 11 months ago
@MialloMarco Get your facts right. Belgium split of the Netherlands in 1830, the so-called Belgian Revolution. They wanted to be independent, hence their battle cries such as "We want Willem Gone" (Wij willen Willem weg)". Willem van Oranje was the Dutch King by the way. The spanish king had nothing to do with this.
MentalHaraKiri 10 months ago
@MentalHaraKiri Volgens mij toch niet hoor. Ik heb het dit jaar nog allemaal gezien bij Nederlands Cultuurgeschiedenis. Antwerpen en Brussel stonden zelfs nog achter Willem van oranje voor een paar jaar. De Spaanse koning wou de lage landen terug en stuurde hij iemand om dat terug te krijgen, maar het mislukte deels. De koning had wel het zuidelijke gedeelte kunnen bemachtigen. Hierdoor hebben de Nederlanden dan maar een Grens gemaakt tussen België en Nederland en jaren later werd het officieel
MialloMarco 10 months ago
@MialloMarco Spaanse koning? Bedoel je Karel V/Carlos V/Charles V? Dat was een Vlaming en hij was Graaf van Vlaanderen, Koning van Spanje en Keizer van het Heilige Romaanse Rijk. Dat was 100en jaren voor de onafhankelijkheid van België.
BelgianMusic 9 months ago
@MentalHaraKiri btw: Dit was wel nog een stuk voor 1830. Dit was tijdens de 80 jarige oorlog.
MialloMarco 10 months ago
@MentalHaraKiri 200 jaar later, na de nederlaag van Napoleon, ging België terug op in het verenigd Koninkrijk der Nederlanden. De twee landen echter waren al zo lang gescheiden van elkaar dat het geen nut meer had om het terug één geheel te maken waardoor ze in 1830 onafhankelijkheid hebben bemachtigd.
MialloMarco 10 months ago
@MialloMarco Ik had het inderdaad over de kortdurende Nederlandse overheersing van 1815 tot 1830, mijn excuses. Uit de tachtig-jarige Oorlog is inderdaad de split definitief geworden. Maar ik denk niet dat een gemeenschappelijke taal voldoende zou geweest zijn om (zie vervolg)
MentalHaraKiri 10 months ago
@MialloMarco de Verenigde Lage Landen samen te houden. Het protestantse Noorden tegenover het katholieke Zuiden, etc. "Geen nut" zeg je, het was eerder vanuit ongenoegen vanuit de Franstalige elite in Vlaanderen, en de levensbeschouwelijke breuklijn die ik daarjuist aanhaalde. Maar je was inderdaad juist, ik had het wat misbegrepen, mijn excuses :)
MentalHaraKiri 10 months ago
@MentalHaraKiri Geen probleem hoor. Daar heb je inderdaad wel gelijk in. De mensen die protestants waren zijn tijdens de tachtig jarige oorlog allemaal naar het noorden gevlucht, al de intellectuelen, en de 'boeren', de gelovigen, bleven dus inderdaad achter in het huidige België. Maar goed, het is nu opgeklaard :)
MialloMarco 10 months ago
Belgium won't divide, I'm sure.
1997xander 11 months ago
Who makes the chocolate, they deserve the power...jk. I hope the the north takes power
meronmotors 1 year ago
form 2 new countrys
fschd1 1 year ago
Flanders, come be a part of Netherlands, it is better to us, we will have the Antwerp Port, the second largest port of Europe, and with the Rotterdam Port, our economy will rise significantly.
MrVuit012 1 year ago
@MrVuit012 With the exception of language, Flanders has as little ties as with Wallonia. Dutch people have different values, a different culture. Your propostion wouldn't solve anything. Might as well stay as Belgium then.
MentalHaraKiri 10 months ago
haha, "walloons" xD
sounds funny
SleepingStranger 1 year ago
@DanteOMFG the real history is a little different than how you present it...
BelgianMusic 1 year ago
Everyone hates flanders, went there for a rave, their attitudes are so shit
smashadin 1 year ago
@smashadin Right...
BelgianMusic 1 year ago
Vlaanderen mag bij Nederland komen!!
Flanders may join The Netherlands!!
chillcrewgodfather 1 year ago
We have officialy broken the record : 209 Days without government . Politicians may be proud of themselves
matrevoltx 1 year ago
2:12 "Belgium is a little country, if we're seperated we're... smaller."
I bet she has a Captain Obvious cape hidden away somewhere in her underground lair.
o0ze 1 year ago 26
Update for those who care: Still no government here in Belgium. Since the time of this clip there was a sort of placeholder government that immediately fell, then re-elections and now the elected parties have been arguing again for more than half a year unable to find a compromise. We have been without government for 3 years now.
Yaeri2 1 year ago
flemish people should submit to the stronger and nobler french!
DonAlektrionas 1 year ago
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o0ze 1 year ago
@o0ze well flanders is just a small little piece of land, they can't provide for themselves, history has shown it, and by the way half of our population doesn't speak turkish!
DonAlektrionas 1 year ago
@DonAlektrionas what history has shown it then? it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about :)
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@DonAlektrionas "well flanders is just a small little piece of land, they can't provide for themselves, history has shown it"
Uh, when calculated separately the Flemish GDP per capita is in the top 3 of Europe and 80% of the Belgian GDP is created by the Flemish. The Belgian GDP is 20% higher than that of your own Greece, even though we are only 10 million people (+ aren't bankrupt).
AegisLow 7 months ago 2
Brussels airport lies in Flanders, also Antwerp (2nd largest port in Europe) + Zeebrugge (largest RoRo port in Europe), 80% of the world's uncut diamonds end up in Antwerp and so on. Flemish kids score top ranks internationally in science, math & languages. We have a booming tourist industry, high-tech r&d and manufacturing (medical tech & optics mostly), several leading pharmaceutical companies, 2 world-class universities, etc.
AegisLow 7 months ago 2
Our population is of similar size as the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland and others.
So why wouldn't we be able to provide for ourselves? We're already doing so for a country twice our own size, a country where nothing we ever do or say is appreciated. Split up and move on. Alles geven, Grietje.
AegisLow 7 months ago 3
@AegisLow Niemand zegt dat Vlaanderen het niet aan zou kunnen om zich te scheiden met Wallonië.
Icaurs389 7 months ago
@Icaurs389 DonAlektrionas deed dat wel
AegisLow 7 months ago
@DonAlektrionas Dont forget that all the money is coming from flanders not from the noble french
Encore un wallon egoiste Qui ne comprend pas la situation en Belgique. Regarde autour de toi. Dont forget that all the money is coming from flanders not from the noble french
matrevoltx 1 year ago
@matrevoltx Yeah right, the argument about money. Before believing everything BDW tells u, try and inform yourself. Unemployment is nowdiminishing faster in wallonia and brussels than in flanders, and I bet I make more money than you. And excuse me, but if you've given us any money, we should've seen it somewhere right? Well our highways are still way more depraved than yours, so politicians didn't make anything out of it, and I've never received any money from you either...
zeLordz 1 year ago
@zeLordz that's because of all the corruption perhaps? and the constant mismanagement?
BelgianMusic 1 year ago
@BelgianMusic
You have a point. The thing is, the belgian politic's mentality doesn't reflect the people's. But some people just believe too much in politics... It's two separate worlds but yet some aren't clever enough to think things through, they just drink words from politicians and the news. Where do we go with such a lack critical behaviour? I have no problem with flemish people, my GF is flemish... But she is SICK over Vlamingen, though, they are like a third of Flanders...
zeLordz 1 year ago
@zeLordz and how sick do you think we are of so many francophones always victimising themselves and never facing the problems head on? it's always our fault, isn't it...
BelgianMusic 1 year ago
@BelgianMusic so you are victimising yourself
blankenbruinen 1 year ago
lol as Nigel Farage says, Belgium is a non-country.
phantomsuccour 1 year ago
its simple, vlaanderen goes to holland
wallonie goes to france
vlaanderen -> holland
wallonie -> france
Eclairs 1 year ago
@Eclairs I share your opinion. But there is only one problem. Brussel is enclosed by Flanders, but most people there speak French :S
chillcrewgodfather 1 year ago
Free Tibe- Uh .. Flanders?
Graymoths 1 year ago
I'm Flemish, and I must say, most of the problematique is caused by fanatic frustrated flamingant bastards. Most of the problems with language etc. were stirred up by nationalist nuts on both sides of the language border.. There is a problem with politics in Belgium, but it has less to do with the two languages and Walloons and Flamish than with bad parties and greedy politicians.
thatsmyrail 1 year ago
@thatsmyrail Wonderfully one-sided and devoid of any factual content. You'll fit right in here.
Synthiotics 1 year ago 12
Go Belgium.
debouvette 1 year ago
The language spoken in Belgium is MUSLIMISM
hhahahahahaahahahah
fakfunk 1 year ago
Solution: Flanders goes under Netherland, Wallonia goes under France. And bomb Brussels!
Voodoozeko 1 year ago
if belgium gets separated... it'll be 3 new coutries: Flandre, Wallonie and the Republic of Brussels. anyways... let's long for une Belgique Unie. xD
ispyonu20 1 year ago
2 belgiums ... why not?
fightefx 1 year ago 2
@fightefx Protože tady jsou hlupy.
GDZjeenik 1 year ago
nooo, what did the guy do with the chocolat?! :'( haha
TheLauraaaaa 1 year ago 2
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flippant608 1 year ago
I really don't understend this irrational need to divide this small country. Language? God, let the people in the world have only such stupid problems!
Restitutek 1 year ago
@Restitutek people like you who think this is about language only are part of the problem to be honest...
Synthiotics 1 year ago
@Synthiotics hm... i think that pll like u're the part of the problem indeed for I don't care what will happen with this signifing nothing "country". I said only that after some experiences with guys like u I think the "Belgians" are stupid ignorants without future.
Restitutek 1 year ago
@Restitutek "Belgians" are stupid ignorants without future."
Thanks for your well thought out contribution.
Synthiotics 1 year ago
@Synthiotics No problem, u know, this is not easy but very important to adjust yourself to the belgians' standards of discussion. ;)
Restitutek 1 year ago
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what a shitcountry this is
aarshaar 1 year ago
@aarshaar only the politics... aside from that it's pretty nifty here.
Demarchist 1 year ago 2
As a Dutch speaking Belgian i can say this to the world:
I am a Belgian in the first place, a European in the second. Our culture goes back more than 2000 years. And as such it will stay.
Our country is suffering from politic mind games from the Flemish politicians whom came from the original Flemish region trying to conquer the rest of the Dutch speaking Belgians. See the history between Brabant and Vlaanderen.
siriatu 1 year ago
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Demarchist 1 year ago
@siriatu LOL! Het Graafschap Vlaanderen en het Hertogdom Brabant bestaan niet meer sinds 1795. Het "Vlaanderen" van vandaag is enkel een naamgeving voor "de Unie van de Vlaamse Gemeenschap en het Vlaamse Gewest" ofwel "het nederlandstalig gedeelte van België". Die naam is er gekomen in 1989, meer dan 200 jaar later dus. Het Vlaanderen van vandaag heeft NIETS te maken met de oude graafschappen. Over de naam is trouwens beslist in de Vlaamse regering, waarin ook brabanders en limburgers zetelen.
fluffytom82 9 months ago
Even though i don't like to learn all these languages. (I live in the north part of belgium) In the end I'm very gratefull i have to. And i can fully understand why some people don't want to learn flemish. I mean most of the time we don't even understand each other! You can't demand people to learn your language! When you go to another land or somewhere in your own country it's enough to see people make an effort. You don't go and learn spanish when you go there on a holiday!
BecauseImAFool 1 year ago
Belgium united.
petiso8 1 year ago
bye bye belgium !
pyramide13 1 year ago
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MareMarginis 1 year ago
Everyone is welcome here as long as they respect us, our culture and our language. Not too much to ask, I hope. If we Flemish were to move to a Franco region would you allow us to "Flemify" entire Franco areas while constantly disrespecting the original inhabitants, and then having the nerve to ask those same people to pay for your wellfare check, your pensions, etc? This isn't about racism, it's about a chronic lack of respect toward the Flemish culture, and we will not tolerate it any longer.
MareMarginis 1 year ago 5
@MareMarginis "we will not tolerate it any longer" ..... very clever! It's because of such stupid thinking that were are here today. Thank you very much!
pitijo10 9 months ago
To the Francophones here saying the Flemish are racists and that Flemish schools only allow Flemish kids... Wow, have you ever been here? Here's a music clip that shows a fairly realistic view of all the diversity in Flemish schools:
Laura - Stapelgek Op Jou (official HD music video)
MareMarginis 1 year ago 2
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trigga1uk 1 year ago
@trigga1uk
As Belgium is the European capital city.. I think yes =) Is the UK even a country or just a floating vessel somewhere between 2 real continents? ;)
Commadore4eva 1 year ago 2
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seatleontsi1 1 year ago
l union fait la force still?
funny that Québec doesnt have independence too yet..
how many separations,small countries are we gonna build now?
RENEDU2 1 year ago
@RENEDU2 hehehehe... yeah that's a fact!! we human beings want now small countries!! hehehe
ispyonu20 1 year ago
Glad to hear Flemish freedom could soon become a reality.
separatesix 1 year ago
This makes me laugh bec 3 years later, it's still the same mess on here, even worse, the government , fell, again a few months ago tor same reasons !! Just can LOL at all that !
inevergiveup1402 1 year ago
the flemish where the only ones fighting for belgium in ww1, the frenchspeaking belgians where most of the time arrogant officers who said their commands in french and then said "le meme pour le flamands" which means same goes for the flemish
samgillispwnage 1 year ago
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hahaha wtf is that talk about ?? what do u mena by the flemish were the onlly ones to fight for belgium ? Nothing can b more wrong that what u state on here, sorry !!And anyway ww2 is past , is it a reson to go on shitting the country like some nationalists flemish do ?
inevergiveup1402 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402 i'm not talking about WW2, i'm talking about ww1 go learn some history
samgillispwnage 1 year ago
@samgillispwnage
oh well if u talking about ww1 , it's still worse ,bec it happened almost 100 years ago !! LOL
inevergiveup1402 1 year ago
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@inevergiveup1402
people don't forget
samgillispwnage 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402 learn some proper english before you try to take the high ground..
rResurgam 1 year ago
@rResurgam
oh wow ! really interesting your post !! LOL
If u got nothing better to say, u'd better shut the fuck up !!
Who the fuck r u to post remarks about my way of expressing myself in english ?? just wondering ! LOL
inevergiveup1402 1 year ago
i'm happy that not every francophone is afraid enough to show their true nature, thanks GDZjeenik! please continue to show everyone your true colours!!!
Hasaluth 1 year ago
@Hasaluth And sadly, many flemish are also afraid to show their true nature. Mister quadrilingue XD I really doubt you talk 4 languages smoothly. Many pretend to talk, but when you start any sentence, they stay there with their open bakkes and their mouth full of theet. Wanker ROFLMAO.
GDZjeenik 1 year ago
And isn't the Belgian flag backwards at the beginning?
swissirish1 1 year ago
De Walen moeten wanneer in Vlaanderen het Nederlands spreken, de Vlamingen spreken Frans wanneer in Wallonië zijn. Nederlands is niet zo moeilijk, kijk naar mij - ik ben Amerikaan, vermoedelijk het luiste land in de wereld is, en ik kun tot op zekere hoogte Nederlands spreken (het is niet perfect, ik weet het). Vlug een beetje!
swissirish1 1 year ago 3
@swissirish1 Wij eisen geen perfectie, gewoon een tegemoetkoming. Het is de effort dat telt, en zelfs dat is voor velen teveel gevraagd.
En kudos voor je Nederlands/Vlaams :)
Demarchist 1 year ago 2
As an outsider living in Belgium, well, maybe I'm not the best one to talk, but I think Belgium is better off just being as no-nonsense about politics as it is about most things and trying to build bridges instead of tearing apart what I think is a great country and a beautiful melding of cultures.
Besides, split from each other, you will probably all lose Brussels because it doesn't really need either Wallonia or Flanders. I don't think anyone wants that.
WynneL 1 year ago
@WynneL Brussels kind of depends on Flanders, not only for monetary support but its airport and other services are located inside of Flanders. It's also surrounded by it, no part of Brussels touches Wallonian territory.
vVogeltjes 1 year ago 15
True independence for everything and everyone.........
Unique law,its forbidden to kill a men with a gun,but he can kill you..........
penalty......... none...........
Long live Anarchy!!!
StellandBlood 1 year ago
Flemish freedom is on it's way!
separatesix 1 year ago
@separatesix It's about frickin time!!!
OvertOperations 1 year ago
This broadcast is so pro-French it is ridiculous. This Tania Page chick clearly doesn't understand history and is not competent to be prognosticating on anything. I cannot wait for the establishment of the Flemish Republic. Leve Vlaanderen!
hetiseennacht 1 year ago
The international press is mostely informated by the Frech community. And the French community isn't objective. I'm sorry, but in school, we, Flemish teenagers, get 4 houres dutch, and 4 houres French, every week. We do talk French. And we only want to keep our own identity. We our proud of who we are. And isn't it normal that government institutions in Flanders should help their citizens in their own language? Imagine that they would send a tax letter in Spanish instead English.
IkHaatNamenMetCijfer 1 year ago
As Americans, you should understand that to, don't you? You are also proud to be American. Well, in the same way, we our also proud to be Flemish.
IkHaatNamenMetCijfer 1 year ago
You know nothing - the French cry discrimination - how about when they banned our language, culture, etc for most of our history?
Wallonia only wants our taxes on the gravy trains to them.
NeoFalcon69 1 year ago
they should both just speak english. problem solved.
coveryfire 1 year ago
@coveryfire yes and become part of the dumbed down cultures of the anglophone world..
Hasaluth 1 year ago
@coveryfire Not everyone wants to speak english O.o dutch is a beautiful language
JoyceWhatever 1 year ago
@coveryfire Part 1 : In fact flemish people (especially the younger generations, like me) speak English very well, as it is a part of Flemish education. Our Walloon counterparts seriously lack in this specific part. The whole problem of Belgium is, that you have a "more" richer Flemish speaking people in the north and that a lot of flemish tax money goes to the Walloons, and that there is an increased amount of french speakers in in certain flemish city's.... ==>
Caelistas 1 year ago
@coveryfire ==> that make up then more then 70 % of the population and refuse to learn flemish and want their children to be thought in french schools etc. etc. To really understand our problem you have to know that flemish used to be "the workers/peasants language" hunderd years ago and that ALL, and i mean all (universities/medical/government) spoke solely french. Now the roles are reversed so this naturally causes for some tensions.
Caelistas 1 year ago
i say we nuke ourselves
Hasaluth 1 year ago 3
@Hasaluth
Haha, idd er is nog nooit een probleem geweest die een atoombom niet kan oplossen.
dnbwhynot 1 year ago
Flanders independent please! and organised econemy with our brothers the dutch
ardiesken 1 year ago
If you want to go to an English speaking region, you learn English. If you want to go to a Dutch (Flemish) speaking region, you learn dutch. It is a matter of courtesy. The Francophones refuse this. That is the problem: no courtesy at all, only 'dedain' for other languages.
jcjlf 1 year ago
@jcjlf i think you mean disdain ;)
rResurgam 1 year ago
Talk about being biased.. It's not even an issue in most of the country and occurrences like this are rare and born out of frustration. But it is true is that a growing majority of us have pretty much had it with the unworkable political situation and inequal reporting on the communal issues here in Belgium, and if it weren't for Brussels we'd have gone for independence by now.
ReptilianDeathRay 1 year ago 3
It's about quality not quantity. For me it can separate. I never received any respect in Brussels as a Flemish guy. I never had a Wallon attempting to speak dutch in my line of job which is in Flemish side. I came to a point that as soon my location is Brussels or Flanders, I simply refuse to speak french.
lievenjupi 1 year ago 3
the flemish part of belgium shoul just become part of the netherlands, and the the french part to france
SpracheSprecher 1 year ago
@SpracheSprecher The Francophones are welcome to join France but not with Brussels attached (not that France would be willing to cough up billions of € every single year to fund the failing Walloon economy & infrastructure). If this country breaks up the Flemish want a republic with a president, as very few of us feel any close relationship with the northern Dutch (who possibly are even more chauvinist than the Francophones in the country) and least of all their orange monarchy.
Weirdologist 1 year ago
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I've been in Beligum and I noticed that in Flanders people knew to speak in English quite good while in Waloonia they were not so fluent... And some didn't even understand the basics... I think french speakers should understand for once that french is not the ligua franca and that tourists are not supposed to speak french but ENGLISH!!! Swallow your pride!!!
rmo18 1 year ago 3
it's just the french trying to control the dutch.
MetelAdict 1 year ago
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when reading these comments. I can understand how some folks could get the wrong impressions, that we are on the brink of war and ready to slit eachother's throats. But honestly, on an individual level most Flemings and Francophones get along just fine. It's only on YouTube that these discussions become heated, most of all the because many posters here (including myself) are in their teens or early twenties.
Synthiotics 1 year ago 8
@Synthiotics 'most of all the because' = delete the 'the'
Synthiotics 1 year ago
I'd like to add that in everyday life you will notice nothing of this, especially not outside of Brussels and few other bordertowns. And if you do, it'll be a dirty look at the most, nothing more. This isn't the Balkans, we're not about to start killing eachother. Generally speaking, I and many Flemings have no issue whatsoever speaking French to anyone. But it is not normal that someone from Pakistan can learn Dutch no problem, yet someone from the same nationality refuses to do so.
BelgianMusic 1 year ago 5
I'm not saying the Flemish are without blame, mistakes have been made on both sides, but with a history like that you can't blame us for wanting to protect our language and our rights.
I'm going to stop because 500 char youtube comments are no place to discuss this, I constantly have to delete important points to make it all fit. All I'm saying is that the international media only looks at the results of what has happened, never the cause.
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BelgianMusic 1 year ago
why should they divide the language in Belgium? why not just learn both so both of the Wallonian's and Flander's can stop arguing about it and so they can understand each other, honestly I don't see what the problem is, there are some countries out there that are bilingual or multilingual, there is this film called "Hop" which is a French and Flemish film, honestly I think both French and Flemish are cool languages, I'm learning Dutch now
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BelgianMusic 1 year ago
We get blamed for standing up for our rights in a country that was built on French-first (study some Belgian history if this interests you enough to discuss about it), where the majority Flemish had less rights than the minority Francophones, where most of the income came from Flanders but all the investments went to Wallonia, etc. We're not about to let that happen again.
But again, this is about far more than language, it's more a clash of ideologies and, of course, money.
BelgianMusic 1 year ago
@BelgianMusic okay I can understand that about the divided parties rights,and thats good that they learn a little bit of both
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keuteltjes 1 year ago
Er...what about the German speakers?
kieran196 1 year ago
Why can't everyone just get along? ACCEPT YOUR DIFFERENCES AND LEARN TO EMBRACE THEM.
Belgium must stay together! Both groups need to grow up, especially the Flanders.
If this country splits, well damn, that will change the face of Europe, and not for the better.
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OudMaarGoed 1 year ago
Hi, i am from France and i would be more than happy to accept the wallons and Wallonie as part of France.
The flamish are cold people and constipated. It's a fact.
Vive la France et vive la langue française!!!
The flamish can stay bythemself or be part of the Netherlands.
philippebensemhoun 2 years ago
@philippebensemhoun
Ah yes the French, possibly and most likely the least informed or most ill-informed people when it comes to Belgium. No wonder really, all your information comes from the Belgian francophone press, which is more like propaganda than anything else. It's shameful how they have given the Flemish a bad name.
dnbwhynot 1 year ago 4
so people in the north speak flemish and people in the south speak french thats confusing
stealth1692 2 years ago
Why can't Flanders be absorbed into the Netherlands and Wallonia into France? Belgium wouldn't need to actually exist.
sniffypigster 2 years ago