A total hack job by these alleged "reporters." The entire video (slightly less than 20 minutes uploaded in 2 parts) of this speaker is available on YouTube. When it hasn't been hacked up by these hack reporters you'll see that the speaker is extremely complimentary of the IAF pilots and the Su30, but does offer some constructive and appropriate criticism as well.
The lecturer actually only insults the French (deservedly).
Full video entitled "Indo-US Red Flag Air Force Exercise Lecture 2008."
What a way to advertise to sell your fighters... Oh sorry i forgot there's a economic depression in US. So u want indians to buy few aircrafts to create job in your country.... Sorry but india have already neglected the offer..
The real problem in India is actually the Indian media, for all you idiots watch the real videos of the USAF Lecture after Red Flag 2008, and judge for yourself, it was all constructive criticism, and he repeatedly praises IAF for their sincerity and their professionalism but no the Indian media won't show that. Stupid politics controlled media.....
@1987Arihant buddy, it aint about the planes, its how the pilots r trained, pakistani hav already won a contest against britian and many other countries, wts the point of having modern planes if u cant fly em? bud i aint tryin to offend u bt u need to use ur brain and btw pakistan is moving on to f 10s and around 100 more f 17 and planned fifth generation planes ;)
@shamk9 Obviously it is about the training and wat was that again , the pakis won against the BRITS ! hahahahahahaa , i m jus tryin to re-quote u , wats the use of flying at all wen u hav chinese planes , cold war era f-16's and useless porki pilots flying it ! GET A LIFE U IDIOT , LIKE THEY AL SAY , LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS VERY DANGEROUS ! LOL !
@araw19india He has a point. The Pakis do fly cold war era F-16s as you claim. However, the Pakis did defeat the RAF in their EF Typhoons without a single loss in those cold war era F-16s. Having good equipment is less than half the battle. If you put incapable pilots in the cockpit of a $150M dollar plane, then you'll lose a pilot and a perfectly good airplane should you send them against a great pilot flying a mediocre aircraft. The RAF should take this lesson seriously.
@shamk9 buddy, we won all the exercises against the brits earlier this year and u just showed ur indian stereotype blad, i can ask u the same question, wts the use of getting modern planes if u cant fly them? fact!!! i aint going to say something bad aboout india cz im presenting pakistan here and if the dogs barking, let him, u dnt hav to be a dog too :D
@Read2Rock u r the real idiots we know that su30mki cannot beat f22 coz f22is an 5th gen fighter nd su30 is an 4.5 gen fighter so su30 is comparebal to ur f16,f15 nd some other fighters nd we will hv pak fa/fgfa our own 5th gen fighter made in coopration with russia nd indian AMCA which is also a 5th gen by 2017 then we will comparethem with f22 so dude pls 1st get some knowldge about aircrafts nd then come in disscusions nd if u realy want to know truth search in wiki.idiot.
@Read2Rock a loser pakistani lesbian has noting to do except schooling bullshit is utube.better such some american dicks for more F16s.ohhhh sorry pakistan has already junk fighter 17.
stupid fat lazzy usaf pilot.he is just showing his frustation of how their fighters were beaten by indian mig21 nd mirages in cope india 2004 nd frustated idiot.even USAF had also distansed itself from his comments.idiot.
@MrSumitindian Grow up India. Take it like a man. The frenchies are the ones that should be mad. They got ratted out. India just needs some good teachers in their airforce. Idiot Indian's posting here(not the Indian ex-navy guy) are just talking about the mig-21 vs F-16 with our old radar( now F-16 and 15 have AESA's in them) because you don't want to talk about the F-22 vs Russki junk. Your the first Indian I didn't like and a sad example of your people. U.S. and India should be friends. TSFG
This isn't offensive, it's about how 4th gen fighters are no match for 5th gen. India should take this as "constructive criticism", and apply lessons learned while training to fight the Raptors... especially since Communist China recently unveiled it's own stealth fighter. India needs to stop worrying about words and start worrying about sticks and stones, they hurt a lot more. Dear India, you're cool and all, but get your D up to par, or you'll get whooped again by China.
lol he didn't say anything so bad it's just basic trash talk between allied training games. The brits and french brag all the time when they beat the americans and vise verca. Why are the indians taking it so hard lol.
@TheProjektcc There are obvious cultural differences; and it's too bad, India needs to toughen up to compete with China, the gauntlet is already down.
Obviously the IAF would never even dream of linking the Su's Russian data link to the standard used by NATO....and obviously the F-22 is better than the Sukhoi. Big deal! more people know it than not. To all the non-Indians, this is nothing more than a 24X7 news channel trying to get some sensational story. The editor probably doesn't have a clue that the F-22 and the Raptor are one and the same!
@ZiiiP2142 All it does is blast a bunch of information your way and makes a majority of viewers believe it. Whether or not it is true or a biased opinion.
@pdalvi criticism is good , but this is simply bull shit by the american , cant they stop thinking that they are the best. it is nothing else but a childish behaviour ! LMAO !
What's puzzling is - this video captured in a secure controlled briefing has been released whole heartedly..... Its obviously not some kind of leak. So opt must be a part of a bigger pre architected propaganda.. And it is at the same time frame that a 11 billion dollar purchase bid was going on by Indian air force for which there are multiple companies competing, including the us lockheed Martin trying to sell it's outdated f16s. I can't resist thinking that this is a cheap but precise propaga
Su-30MKI Avionics include Russian,Indian,Israeli and French. Its completely unique. and classified. And IAF pilots are trained by Russian pilots(Best in the world.) And now IAF possess a core of highly skilled veteran pilots.
Fernoff didnt participated in 2008 Red Flag Exercise with IAF. India has manufactured AL-31 engines with TV nozzles under license at the HAL Nasik plant. Dont sent any engine to Russia for repair or over hauling.
One more important thing i would like to mention here, that is all USAF fighters are made by their own advanced technology unlike IAF which is heavly depends upon Russia/France for such advanced fighter jets.
The desperate reaction and expressions of the respective colone simply show that our IAF proved their metal well in that exercise, althought this metal had been proved in much better way earlier against porkistani air force on number of occassions which is said to be trained by USAF since its inception. Although I simply admire the quality of US fighter jets, US Aerospace engineers are one of the best in the world.
its time for india to hire some NATO pilot instructor coz the russian pilot training they got aint worth a shit..no wonder why non-agile u.s in the end ended up dominate more agile russian jet..its bcoz of training n more advance u.s avionics n weapon systems..ooh dont say russia dont fly those planes,actually every country that russia sold there plane too have russian instructor to teach them in first 3 months about air combat tactics n how to use russian jets..russia training sucks balls.
@fmoa Indian Airforce didn't use a datalink in that exercise..Then ...the avionics in SU30MKI are Israeli not Russian.If Indian pilots are not well trained then how did they out perform the Americans in COPE INDIA 2006??? Colonel fornof in his speech clearly mention that the experienced Indian pilots came in MIG21's for the redflag.
@saajanjohn123 They outperformed the USAF in 2004 actually. And the reason they beat the USAF was because they had inexperienced pilots flying against the IAF's best pilots. When you have pilots that have less than 500 hours in the F-15 going against pilots that have over 2000 hours in an aircraft, who do you actually believe is going to win? In 2008 the IAF were flying against seasoned US pilots in the F-15 and the IAF got beat because of this.
@BBEEAANN1 In 2008 IAF was flying with radars switched off .The Indian planes were also using a different datalink (Russian) and we didn't have any AWACS there.Also the colonel himself said the experienced IAF pilots came in Mig 21 Bisons and not in SU30 MKI's.
@saajanjohn123 The IAF were not flying with their radars switched off, they had a ton of friendly fire BVR kills because they were scared of being shot down. The data link is important because you dont need to call into the AWACS in order to ask if the target you are seeing is friendly or not. The IAF had to do this because they were not in the datalink and instead of risking being shot down they fired and fled. If you youtube search RedFlag 2008 and watch the second part the Col. explains this.
@BBEEAANN1 Clearly IAF didnt turn operate its radar. There is friendly fire occured in both side. But history shows that USAF leading in that. Identifying friend or foe is not depend on datalink. how foolish you are? are u mad? if you se your own datalink to identify enemy(practically not possible) then u rdead.
@JineshJK The friendly fired happened by the IAF. I suggest you actually watch the video to understand what is being said. The IAF had its radar on but, since it was not in the data link it could not tell friend from foe so, it had to call in to the AWACS to check. The AWACS told them their was no enemy aircraft within 40 miles of them and they still fired killing friendly aircraft. They did this because they had losses in exercises and did not want to have anymore.
@BBEEAANN1 Real war situation is not like controlled situation in RF. In red flag the white force or umpire control both aggressor and blue force side. clearly RF is a strategic event for USAF the situation is heavily controlled by multiple AWACS. Thats because Russian Airforce didnt participated on Red Flag. I am not sure on your arguments that US invited Russia for Red Flag. I didnt heard anything like that. Or is it too derived by your research?
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah they declained. nothing unusual. Oh next time USAF gonna invite Chinese Air Force? then Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Iran.. Oh no mighty USAF and US diplomacy. And the result in advance for people like you.. They will decline USAF invitation to Red Flag. Amazing ha??
@BBEEAANN1 Col. Fernoff is a BLUFFMASTER you dont need to refer those bluffs here. Su-30MKI is also known as a mini-AWACS. It can transfer multiple target coordinates to another fighter. Works better with our IAF IL-76 AWACS(Israeli AWACS suit on Ilyushin-76).
How foolish is your comment that "They did this because they had losses in exercises and did not want to have anymore". IAF is not Fernoffs toy. All the USAF pilots participated in 2008 Red Flag Amazed by IAF pilots. they expressed that.
@JineshJK And one fool from somewhere didnt like that and organized a press meeting to bluff about IAF. All his attempt to underestimate IAF clears that As a USAF pilot there is something happened that he needs to worry about.
@JineshJK they were amazed at their professionalism. I suggest you watch the video again and listen to what he says. He didnt say that the IAF were the best in 1v1. He says the F-15 handily beat the Su-30 in 1v1. He says the Indians could not get into the data link with the rest of the force because they were using a Russian data link that is not compatible with the US. He also said that they were calling into the AWACS to check targets, the AWACS told them there were no enemies in the area,...
@BBEEAANN1 I suggest you to dont watch that video again. I dont make any comments which refers his video. Only criticize it. So he clearly admitted that F-15 is nothing without any support from AWACS or from ground. USAF pilots trained and practiced on there for years. And its a totally USAF controlled situation. Even though IAF scored F-15 kills against USAF. Why did Fernoff and you forget about that?
@JineshJK The 1v1 the F-15 did with the Su-30MKI for three days had no AWACS support. Where did you get that there was AWACS support in that? Did you even listen to what he stated about the 1v1? Did you even hear that a fully loaded F-15 beat an empty Su-30MKI in 1v1? The Su-30 had one pod on it only. But I guess you take what you want from the discussion and discard the rest as you add things to it that arent even there.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah clearly i dont take anything from you and your video. How a fully loaded F-15 beat Su-30MKI?? Do you have any proof?? Dont vomit Fernoff Bluffs. No one will consider it except people like you who dont know anything about the topic and simply argues that we are number one and top. F-15 is far far inferior to Sukhoi-27 and 30s. Its unable to conduct any ground support mission without Israeli Litening targeting pod. But Su30MKI is able to do that. Yeah we also using Litening Pods.
@JineshJK quite easily considering the Su-27 line suffers from lateral instability issues. The Col. stated what happened to the Su-30MKI in the videa vs the F-15 with actual pilots and not new pilots flying them. Why dont you go learn what the difference is betwen the CV, CTOL, and the STOVL variants on the F-35 before you make yourself look foolish here as well.
@BBEEAANN1 ignorance made mad madness made everything as foolish as they. So Stop it no one talked about F-35 variants. SO AGAIN NICE TRY TI DEVIATE FROM ACTUAL TOPIC. ha ha.. helpless moron. Su-27 wings are fused to its fuselage. And wing angles or dihedral highly optimized for its maneuverability. You are an utter idiot. How the hell a lateral stability lacking aircraft perform the amazing maneuvers that are impossible for all other aicrafts in the world.
@JineshJK I suggest you look up the known lateral instability of the Su-27 design, this helps with its ability to be highly maneuverable but, you research things well when discussing them:/
@BBEEAANN1 Especially Su-30 MKI has Canards integrated to its highly sophisticated Fly by Wire system. there is no chance for any kind of lateral instability. You almost tried 100 more words that you didnt have any idea about to beat me. But boy SAD SAD.. you again spoiled it. No one can measure lateral stability by naked eye. You and your Col. ho both are superb. People who changed Centre Gravity of aircraft to its nose. and measured lateral instability and dihedral by naked eye. Ha ha..
@JineshJK You do know that the F-15 is not an Israeli aircraft and they fly them? You do know that the US shares its technology with the Israeli's just as the Israeli's do the same. Just like the US is helping to develop the current missle defense system with the Israeli's. This is what allies do, I guess you dont get this. The F-15 is slightly underneath the Su-30 but, I would hope the Russians would have developed a better craft in less than 30 years time, my bad.
@BBEEAANN1 Israelis avoid big budget projects(Especially in unknown fields). So leave it. US possess money exploited from all over the world. So they can make Moon landing videos, Big defence gimmick projects,etc.
@BBEEAANN1 Did you hear anything about umpiring white group of Red Flag? They control all these exercise and command Blue Force. that means its more likely to a third eye on the sky. USAF explanation is different and everybody knows whats the real fact. At first you talk about US AWACS datalink with Su-30MKIs and then arguing that it was IAF AWACS, now saying that there is no AWACS in Red Flag. What do you think yourself? Fernoffs aim is clear 2008 Red Flag was a clear shame for USAF. and he
@JineshJK need to counter that fact and boast a lot about USAF. Or what else. He was not an official spokesman of USAF or Red Flag and didnt even participated in 2008 Red Flag exercise. I comment a lot about all these statements and you didnt even respond at once. At first your claim is based on "Col. Fernoff's own experience" then you said that "Red Flag is all about inexperienced USAF pilots". Then how High ranked Col. participated in it??
@JineshJK Of course Redflag 2008 is a shame for the USAF, they only learned what the SU-MKI could and could not do and found out the F-15 was capable of demolishing it in 1v1 excercises with experienced pilots. Not to mention that helmet targeting systems are going to make TVC of no relevance. But you keep thinking that the USAF sucks, dont cry when you see more Russian made aircrafts littering the ground in whatever illegal war our dumbass government gets us into.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah by Red Flag 2008 USAF realized that Su-30MKI is enough and even IAF Mig-21 Bison could kick USAF. And planned to produce more Hollywood movies to win Red Flag exercise. Also USAF pilots returned to their primary school to memories all about "CENTRE OF GRAVITY"(After Col. Fornoff's press meeting). Another blunder from 'BBEEAANN1'.. "Fighter pilots gonna use Helmet mounted targeting system to turn their aircraft"!!!!!?? Ha ha great brain. Please dont expose your brain to sun light.
@JineshJK You definitely dont know much about das do you? Where in any of this did I say that your helmet turned your aircraft. This is why talking to you is a tiring process. Youtube search F-35 das. The helmet targeting system targets and aircraft and the missles fire and track behind the aircraft to kill its target. Thank you for knowing what is being discussed and thinking I said something that I didnt. Come back when you are educated on the das on the f-35 and current F-16 systems.
@BBEEAANN1 Fool das is not a radar its infrared and other electronic track platform based. Thats why i told that there is limitations for missiles. Long-range, Short-range,etc. there guidence varying from infrared to active radar guided. Each suited for specific situations and conditions. So first learn something about air-air weapon system. DAS is nothing new. Its just a simplified small version of FLIR and Targetting pod.
@JineshJK When you are in a dogfight you are in visual range jines, this means that IRST tracking at that range there are no limitations but, there will be issues with the AESA radar being able to lock onto the Stealth tech on the F-35. This is a known issue with the dogfights that people have with the F-22. It is hard to get a lock on the aircraft. I learned plenty about das and the F-35 has a full 360 degree of das. Lets say that das is only a 40 mile range, that is well within das's range.
@BBEEAANN1 Btw jine I have always known that das is IRST so stop thinking that I dont. If you are going into the merge with an F-35 you have to deal with its AESA radar tracking you and its das IRST tracking you. By the time you are in the merge both the AESA and IRST will have you tracked and even if you get behind the aircraft jamming, you arent jamming das and you are going to get shot down. Try thinking things through a bit there jine. The Su's have a huge radar cross section..
@BBEEAANN1 F-35 is a total failure. Its not near stealthy as F-22 and a bulky big spot for SAM systems. Its designed mainly for ground support. and the truth is that it cant sustain a machine gun ground fire. And IRST used to detect objects invisible to radar. And its range is very low. IRBIS-E radars in Su-35 can detect F-35 like target from more than 100km away. Su-27 IRST range is 80-100km and also has laser designator for weapon guidance.
@BBEEAANN1 How? In which way? There is no problem for AESA target locking against a stealth aircraft. Prove it how? Its nothing, an object hard one. Distance is the only problem for any radar against any stealth aircraft. If it is in close range(not so close without any jammer), Its much much easier to detect. Only USAF fighter pilots conducted full Dogfight exercise with F-22. And just understand the fact that F-22 is amazingly poor in WVR combat.
@JineshJK You are the one who said that the F-22 and the Eurofighter went head to head and the Eurofighter won. It is good to see you are correcting yourself considering the F-22 has only flown against the USAF and NAVY pilots. The F-15 with AESA radar has a hard time logging onto the aircraft, same thing with the F-18 with AESA radar. The fact remains that in exercises the F-22 has had the biggest lopsided victories in RedFlag to date. No other aircraft has logged the kills it has.
@BBEEAANN1 I didnt correct anything myself because I dont need to do that, like you. No one corrected anything. I talked about F-22s "FULL DOGFIGHT EXERCISE" yeah its only happened against USAF. But several trails and comparison. Not so celebrated one.(For USAF, Nothing to celebrate). First read comments carefully and read this link..
@BBEEAANN1 Its goals only depend on stealth,high altitude operations,AESA radar,and supercruise. Thats only. Nothing more, there is no advantage from sensor fusion,stylish gizmos,etc. F-22 cant remain invisible in WVR combat. and in dog fight its a big zero, cause one usual 20mm ground rifle fire is enough to damage F-22 severely. then imagine a fire from 30mm Su-27 cannon. So its vulnerable in ground support role and WVR combat.
@BBEEAANN1 Su-30MKIs are able to fire missiles on shared targets. So they dont need to switch on Radars to fire passive radar guiding missiles. Or can kept it in a degraded performance.
@JineshJK It cant transfer any data to fighters who dont have a common datalink, gee I would have thought you would have figured that out. The AWACS/USAF datalink and the Su-30 datalinks are not compatible hence the reason the Indians had to call into the AWACS for confirmation on targets.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah Confirmation on Target.. then who are responds?? US AWACS then if the target was friendly then who is really gonna take that responsibility?? Targets confirmed by US AWACS, fire on confirmed target was friendly. Then who is responsible for that?? Thats my question.(All under your claimed situation).
@JineshJK Do you even get that the Indians were on the same team in the excercise? It is the USAF/IAF/FAF/GAF all on the same team flying against the aggressor squadrons. The germnas and french were in the datatlink with the USAF but, the IAF have a Russian based system so they are not compatible with the datalink so, they had to call into the AWACS to check on targets. If you actually knew anything about Redflag then you would know about this. You have no idea what Redflag is, go learn
@BBEEAANN1 From the first I talked about Aggressor squad and its participants. First datalink is not necessary in all situation. datalink is used for many purpose, target confirmation was one of them and IAF Su-30MKIs radars didnt used for track and lock targets. So they need to confirm the acquired targets(via shared target coordinates) by AWACS. Here NATO maintain a standard on their devices. So they are compatible. But in the case of IAF. And that doesnt mean that Su-30MKI is defeated.
@JineshJK The friendly fired happened by the IAF. I suggest you actually watch the video to understand what is being said. The IAF had its radar on but, since it was not in the data link it could not tell friend from foe so, it had to call in to the AWACS to check. The AWACS told them their was no enemy aircraft within 40 miles of them and they still fired killing friendly aircraft. They did this because they had losses in exercises and did not want to have anymore.
@BBEEAANN1 Friendly fire not only happened by IAF. Thats my point. USAF also scores friendly fire. IAF didnt switched its radars ON or in a degraded performance. Su-30MKIs are able to track and lock targets using its IRST(OLS-30) If IAF had its radars ON then how they gonna mistake targets even after the radio communication with AWACS? No datalink is needed. While the Blue force driven only by USAF.
@JineshJK watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w - here is the second part of the discussion where the Col. goes over why the IAF had so many friendly fire losses in the exercises. They were using their radars but, were not in the data link. If they were not using their radars they would not be able to target another aircraft and fire a missle at the target.
@BBEEAANN1 Radars used in degraded performance mode. And not all the aircrafts. Some remain in completely switched off mode while using shared target coordinates from friends. In that mode the range and capability of the radar is low. And so they need to relay on AWACS at that situation. In that way If IAF start friendly fire, then who is responsible for that? The AWACS crew. They sent wrong coordinates to the MKIs.
@JineshJK They were calling into the AWACS because they were not in the datalink. They had their radar on. You cannot lock onto a target and fire at it to generate a kill in RedFlag unless you have your friggin radar on. Would you please go learn about the exercises and stop making excuses for what happened to the Su-30 in 1v1 exercises. In 1v1 they had their radars on or you dont generate kills either. Make all the delusional excuses you want, feel free. Im done, peace, enjoy your delusion.
@BBEEAANN1 Su-30MKIs are able to fire missiles on shared targets. So they dont need to switch on Radars to fire passive radar guiding missiles. Or can kept it in a degraded performance.
First you need to understand that a radar can operate in a DEGRADED Performance level. You got that?
Several 1 to 1 combats were performed by IAF and USAF in RF. where are you going?? After all these bluffs...
@BBEEAANN1 The IAF was not in the datalink and they needed to call AWACS because our datalink is unique (as @JineshJK said)and having a datalink which is unique is very important in war time.The US is always oppurtunistic and we don't think they will help India in a war with our enemies.They would remain as spectators and also will try to block India from getting weapons or spares at wartime.That's why we even now we don't consider US as a reliable partner in weapons deal.
@saajanjohn123 Why would the US go to war with India? Seriously you guys listen to your media, just like the idiotic average American does and dont check any of the data that your brainwashing media spews at you.The newscast that did a piece on the Col. cut parts of the video in order to get him to say he was saying bad things about India so, what does the average Indian citizen do, they say wonderfully bad things about the US without checking to see if the information was true.
@BBEEAANN1 ha ha Indian medias always trying to praise US. Every mainstream media is under control of US lobby. Average Do you know what Clinton called Lashkar-e-Taiba in the past? Kashmir Freedom fighters. What about David Headly?? I dont like to turn our active topic into politics. But US relay on Weapon trades and thats the politics for them.
@JineshJK Really, the India media always praises the US. What about this media piece we are discussing there genius? It surely sounds like they are praising the US of A right there now doesnt it? Some people are incredibly intelligent and can see the obvious, I wish you were one of those people.
@saajanjohn123 The whole video is on youtube and can be seen and the Col. is not putting down the IAF. He actually praises them on things they did. He goes over how the US thought the Su-30 was gonna be a match for the F-22 and these exercises proved it wasnt. He went over the 1v1 with the F-15 and the Su-30 and showed with more experienced pilots, the F-15 can dominate the Su-30 just like the Su-30 can do the same the the F-15. It is the pilot not the jet.
@BBEEAANN1 Then what about the quote.. "They need to sent their engine to Russia for Overhauling or Repair..." One minute difference between takeoff.. All these are Bluffs. Wrong comments about foreign airforce. Is it great for a discipline oriented force?? IAF dont need 1 minute difference between take off, And HAL has licensed Al-31 engine Manufacturing-Overhauling unit. But critical parts are imported from Russia.
@JineshJK You dont know much about FoD do you? Russian engines are known to get damage from FoD and have to launch at longer increments between take-offs so they dont FoD an engine out. If an engine needs repairs Russia makes the IAF send their engines back to Russia in order to fix the engine. This is not a bluff, this is known fact. Just like the issues with the MiG-29's the Indians have had. They have constantly bitched about their engines failing and a ton did.
@BBEEAANN1 Prove it... Prove it dumpass.. FOD is a serious problem for all turbojet engine. Do you remember the F-16 crash due to FOD?? HAL plant in Nasik produce Al-31 engine under license. Also doing overhaul-repair. You statements are bluff because you and your Col. both are retarded Americans. We dont faced any issue with Russian engine but US may faced a lot with copied technology. Please show me one US turbojet engine free from FOD.!! IAF didnt take 1 minute gap for take off.
@JineshJK F-16's crash because birds fly into its engines not because of small pieces of debris come off of the tarmac into the engine, like Russian aircraft.
@BBEEAANN1 Prove any Russian aircraft crash due to tiny piece of foreign object(in which US engine will survive). Its another challenge prove it if you are a man...
@JineshJK I already sent you the link at your channel where the Indian air force discusses this in multiple documents. I went back a few minutes later and the comment was deleted. If you want me to relink it to you I will. The FOD issue is a known issue and the Polish airforce stated such about their MiG-29's as well.
@BBEEAANN1 That was a comment not a link. You just need to prove it. you comment the link(reduced by tinyurl com). FOD issue is not only for Russian engines its for all the turbine engines in the world. This is one another example for the foolishness of Col. Fernoff. And people like you holding it. How idiotic. Do you have a mind? then please think about FOD in turbine engine. Ha ha How its only specialized in Russian engine!!!?
@JineshJK The IAF took one minute to take off in between planes and the US helped them get that down to 45 seconds. Im done discussing things with you when you feel everything the US states about the IAF is incorrect and everything that the IAF states is true. Its just like this wonderful news piece that completely takes parts of what the Col says and edits it to get them to say what they want. Continue in your brainwashed delusion
@BBEEAANN1 IAF didnt one minute gap for take off. How US helped them to take it down?? Not US official statement. Its a statement from retarded kid Col. Terrance Fernoff. No one consider it as an Official USAF statement. USAF apologize for his fake arguments against Indian Air Force. Edited or not, Those words are still in the name of your dumpass Col. So first wash your own brain to recognize those bits from the whole video.
I have left you the links at your channel and you just delete them. I cant leave the links here so I want you to google World record: 500th Indian "Flying Coffin" Mig crashes. this will bring you to the Rupee news and multiple other links that show the IAF has the worst safety record in the world. You will find a link that is from 2003 where the MiG had crashed 350 MiG's and lost 170 pilots. You will also find that the IAF has l024 crashes in 13 years.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah only IAf has the worse on Mig-21 because of poor early local upgradation and parts quality. And again there is no 500 crash. Ok you better search on google. The website also accepting the fact that their news is independent form officials. Then how they increased 350 crash(includes pilot error) to 500?? So You need to research better.. 1024 crashes??? ha ha. Are u dreaming?
@JineshJK btw I sent you a couple of links to your channel so you can go read up on what the IAF thinks of the MiG and its complaints about it and its engine issues. I have more links if you would like them. Just ask and I will get them for you, they are Indian sources as well.
@JineshJK I sent it multiple times and rechecked after it was on your site a few minutes after. You deleted 3 links that I sent you so yeah, try not deleting them. I will once again send you the links, after this I am done. This is my last statements to you, and I am responding to what you have posted here and then I am rinsing my hands of my discussion with you. You do not like to look anything up and I will leave you where you are.
@BBEEAANN1 HA ha Bluffer... Post it on the comment area so everyone could refer it. You didnt post any link to my channel instead a cry. I posted all links and reference in comment area. And challenged you several times. No links yet. Sad.. sad..
@JineshJK I actually posted multiple links to you in your channel. I go back after a few minutes and they are removed by you. This is my last post, I left you three links. If you dont believe me then google the issues with the IAF crashing 500 MiGs
@BBEEAANN1 You actually posted nothing. And i will delete any bluffs or meaning less words. So are you sure about your gender? as a male? again and again how many challenges from me. Cant take atleast one? Poor. Again POST YOUR DAMN LINKS IN COMMENT AREA AS I DONE. and prove you are a man.
@BBEEAANN1 I posted more than 20 links to you. and you?? So first provide any single link and then talk about your tiredness due to the fake link postings.
@saajanjohn123 The Col. said the IAF pilots came from training in the Mig 21 Bison to the Su-30 so, they had a lot of experience in both aircraft. The 1v1 that happened over 3 days with the F-15 was against the Su-30 and the IAF was flying against more experienced pilots in the F-15. The F-15 was also being flown with a full wartime config against the Su-30 with one pod on the aircraft and still lost. It is not the airplane, it is the pilot that makes the difference in air to air combat.
@saajanjohn123 watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w -Here is the second part of the discussion where he goes over how the IAF frat kills were huge because they were shooting down friendly aircraft because they did not want to get shot down.
@JineshJK Friendly fire happens in war and all countries have friendly fire casualties. This is why the US developed data links so this stuff doesnt happen.
@saajanjohn123 yeah bro agree with you. Not only in Red Flag alone, all exercise IAF conducted with foreign counterparts with Su-30MKIs were in a Radar swiched off or in a degraded performance way. Racism is still blowing from America Fernoff is the best example for that. F-15 is no way near to Sukhoi fighter jets. Su-30MKI is nothing different. thats because Mikhail Simnovs dogfight challenge against USAF still remains free. Americans believe in HOLLYWOOD..
@JineshJK The F-15 can handle a Su-30 in 1v1, if you have a experienced pilot. If you believe TVC is going to help you against off bore site missles the F-15 and F-16 are getting you better strap yourself in for a huge disappointment because they arent. If the US wanted to they could slap TVC on both the F-16 and F-15 and they would both outdo the Su's easily. The F-15 Active and F-16MATV could both out do the Su's in all acrobatic displays.
@BBEEAANN1 Prove it.. If US aircrafts are able to dominate Russians in Acrobatic.. Prove it with videos.
Also tell USAF to take dogfight challenge from Sukhoi.. How about it. All I am talking about CHALLENGE!! not about you EXERCISE Invitation!! Ok Understand that??
@BBEEAANN1 US didnt invited Russia to Red Flag. Now stop your bluff. Can you prove it I provide you links about TVCs when you demand it. I searched a lot about your invitation story. I didnt found anything. So its clear USAF DIDNT INVITE RUSSIA TO RED FLAG... BUT MIKHAIL SIMNOV CHALLENGED USAF TO PARTICIPATE IN A DOG FIGHT WITH SUKHOI-27, THE CHALLENGE IS STILL OPEN.. USAF cant do that. And if they already invited, then its still a training combat and not a combat challenge...
@BBEEAANN1 Red Flag was organized for US and its allies. then how USAF gonna invite Russian Airforce? Sukhoi is ready to fight with US fighters on any soil. 2008 Red Flag was a total ass shaker for US. Now they know how better trained pilots using Russian fighters and its true power. Fernoff's desperate press meeting was one of the nice example for that.
@JineshJK You dont know much about RedFlag do you? Maybe when you read up on it some more we can actually have an intelligent conversation about it. Until then im tired of talking with the uneducated.
@BBEEAANN1 I know much much about Red Flag Exercise 2008. IAF kicked USAF and returned to Home. Please dont talk infront of the mirror. If you..then You need to face an uneducated illiterate Master.
@JineshJK the fact that more russian aircraft have been shot down in the history of modern aircraft warfare shows the facts that the US dominance as an airforce is above the Russian technology that they are developing. This is historical fact. The US have less aircraft that have been shot down compared to Russian aircraft. So much for being superior. We invite Russia to prove they are better and they turn down the invitation, so much for coming to prove who is better. Have nice day
@BBEEAANN1 US faced small airforces with a force 4 times larger than them(NATO). And with the support of more money from Japan. They didnt need to fight against better trained Force. Even though what happened in Vietnam? Korea? Now in Iraq. American Coffin business expanded more.
@BBEEAANN1 In 2004 it was Cope India Exercise conducted in Indian soil. And no airforce in the world will sent their inexperienced pilots to foreign soil for anything..(including exercise). And IAF won 90% of missions conducted. In 2008 it was Red Flag a prestigious exercise for USAF. No doubt there also USAF fielded pilots were trained and experienced well. Even though F-15 lost its majority of missions against IAF Mig-21 Bisons and Su-30MKIs. Mig-21s were completely blind for USAF F-15,16&18s.
@JineshJK Obviously you dont get why the US does Redflag, it is to train inexperienced pilots on how to work together. Please research why the US does Redflag, it is a training excercise for the inexperienced pilots who have no wartime experience. The F-15 lost to 1v1 excercises to the Su-30 because the pilots who were flying had less than 500 hours in the F-15. In 2008 the IAF flew against more experienced USAF pilots and got beat badly. The F-18 has AESA radar, the Bison is not invisible to it
@BBEEAANN1 eah Mig-21 was invisible to USAF fighters. AESA is means nothing infront of smart tactics and jamming. In Red Flag US pilots didnt gain any upper hand over IAF. Red flag is not for inexperienced US pilots. They studying about their foreign counterparts. And Red Flag is heavily under control of the USAF AWACS. So thats a biased condition for exercise.
@JineshJK Col. Richard "Moody" Suter based his plan for Red Flag on lessons learned from Vietnam. Young pilots and crew members were either shot down or had an accident during their first 10 sorties. His plan was to get those young pilots into a combat-structured environment, where those first 10 missions could be performed in the controlled arena of an exercise. This is a quote from the RedFlag description, please learn what RedFag is and why it was created
@BBEEAANN1 Ha Ha.. Quote?? Are you sleeping? Wake up man BARAK OBAMA won the Nobel prize for PEACE!!! a US president got it. And still you need to believe the quotes of American diplomacy and military?? So dont show any gimmicks from your Govt. or force. Young pilots need more HOME TRAINING before going to face any foreign pilots. So dont vomit USAF quotes.. please. What about the bitter experience that F-22Raptor got from Euro Fighter Typhoon? Also cancelled further sorties after that incident
@JineshJK Do I or the majority of people in the US like Obama? Obviously you dont know much about the American people. You also dont know how to separate the US government from its people. You also like to believe everything the news tells you without researching anything. Should Obama have won the Nobel Prize for continuing an illegal war in Iraq and Afghanistan?No he shouldnt have and everyone in the US mocked Norway for giving him the Peace Prize.Can you link me the data on the F-22/EF please
@BBEEAANN1 People in US didnt like politicians and also they are unable to judge them whether its Republican or Democrats. Everything is controlled by Lockheed,Boeing,Apple,Dell,Microsoft,pharmaceutical companies,etc. Weapon trade depends on war war depends on some foolish concept like "War on Terrorism" made by US, terrorism created and updated by US. Total shameless criminal bank dedicated for dreaming WORLD ORDER.. Actually US medias destroying Quality Human Resources in US. thats the truth.
@JineshJK You really dont know much about the American people at all. I suggest you actually research us as well since you make broad assumptions about the US without knowing anything about us or our culture. Watching to much Indian propaganda on the TV is the only thing I can attribute it to.
@JineshJK The legacy fighters do not have the AESA radar. I am sorry if you dont know much about the AESA radar but, it sees you even if you have a pod jamming. I suggest a little research it before discussing it.
@BBEEAANN1 AESA emits active electronic radiation unlike Passive scanning radar system. how it will counter the jamming pod? Explain it.. if you already done any research. Legacy fighter is not my topic and I consider it as one more bluff from you.
@JineshJK You dont know much about AESA now do you? Jammers work by figuring out the frequency of a radar and broadcasting a signal on the frequency to confuse it. AESA constantly changes operating frequencies so jamming it is very difficult. Man I wish you would research topics you discuss because you have no idea any of the topics you discuss.
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah its right but Jammers are able to emit multiple frequencies at the same time and they are depend on Radio wave band. That means electromagnetic spectrum like X-band or L-band or S-band. I think AESA radars probably utilize X-band spectrum. They can use all range of frequencies in a band from each transceiver element.(varying from pulse to pulse) So its a great mechanism to spot objects invisible to PESA.
@JineshJK Go read up on AESA and talk to me when you realize that the F-15/F-16 that were being jammed were legacy fighters with older radars in RedFlag. The newer versions of the aircraft all have AESA radar that is hard to jam. The newer F-16's and the F-18 SH all have AESA radars and yeah, that MiG-21 is gonna be scrap if it thinks jamming is going to help it.
@BBEEAANN1 AESA came or not the aircraft is still unreliable crap US made one So there is no point to talk. May Hollywood produce another fantasy with a fantastic name like "AESA" starring one white one black and one woman. Yeah its over solved all technical, military, and racial-gender discrimination with only one movie. "THE AESA"... Mig-21 is a proven fighter jet please dont compare it with toys "MADE IN USA"...
@JineshJK Tell that to all the MiG's the Israeli's have eaten up over the years in the F-15 and the F-16. Im sure the MiG 21 pilots would be sure to explain to you how much junk the aircraft were that shot them down. The F-14 ate up the MiG-21 and the MiG-23 and youre calling US made aircraft junk. Btw whhy dont you look up the numbers of MiG-21's, btw the Indians call them the flying coffin, compared to the F-15/F-16, then talk to me about what is junk.
@BBEEAANN1 Israelis destroyed 85% Migs by bombing missions against ARAB airbase. Do you read anything about invisible Mig-21s(Israeli radars failed to detect them). Talk about air-air combat. Soviets destroyed Israeli Mirages using the same Mig-21s. Any pilot in the world represent Mig-21 as a junk, except some american fools. Even Israeli pilots accept that fact that Mig-21s are Superb. Explain the purpose of Operation Diamond. Why Israel hijacked Mig-21 and examined it with Americans.
@JineshJK I suggest you look at the link I left at your comments about the crash record the Indian airforce has set in the MiG. The Indians call the MiG the flying coffin in their media. Why would they call the MiG that? It is either a. The MiG is a terrible aircraft which, I dont think it is or 2. The engines and other parts of the aircraft are old and are breaking down or 3. The Indians are inept at training young pilots in aircraft so they dont kill themselves and crash. I will go with 2/3
@BBEEAANN1 First provide any single link? Can you? Are you able to do that? Indians didnt call any Mig "Flying Coffin" and Media did it. US influence in media could do anything. The problems faced during the upgradation of Mig-21s by inexperienced HAL employees and local poor quality parts. The problem faced only in IAF not Russian Airforce or any other force using Mig-21s. So dont need more bluffs and imagination from you. Mig-21 crash crisis, only beacuse of poor local maintenance.
@BBEEAANN1 Oh Mig is poor?? then why Israeli air force conduct War simulation against Mig-21s and Mig-29s. Mig-21s are still formidable and proved well against F-15s and F-18s combat exercise.
You dont know anything about Fighter aircraft and so heavily depending basic quick reference form internet. And including your own imagination and findings in that. You cant handle it.
@JineshJK The MiG-21 has been shot down more than almost any other aircraft. Indian has crashed like 300 of them and call the MiG the flying coffin. I already gave you the link. Is it a good plane? yes. Has it been shot down alot? Yes. The F-16 and F-15 havent been shot down in air to air combat and those claiming to have done so have no proof so, yeah get the proof. The have been lost to sam and ground fire but, that has happened to the MiG and Su's as well.
@BBEEAANN1 Because Mig-21 was widely used(trusted, reliable, and formidable aircraft). IAF lost 116 Mig-21 in crash(most during Upgradation). not 300. First learn to search on internet. F-16 and F-15 didnt meet any good airforce in air combat and Simnov challenge them to participate in a dogfight with their Sukhoi-27. No Of course no American pilots are able to do that. So the challenge still reamains.
@JineshJK I gave you the link in your comments about the IAF loosing its 500th MiG to a crash since they started flying the aircraft. They have the worst record in the entire world for crashing aircraft. I gave you 3 links from Indian sources stating this about the MiG but you just delete them from your comments in your channel. As I said I am done talking with you and if you wish to deny your own media feel free to live in your delusion. Peace and have a nice life, believe what you will.
@BBEEAANN1 IAF didnt lose Migs near 250 in crash even it didnt touch anyway near to 400 with combat loss count. You just suggest wikipedia. And I recommend you to read it again carefully. Ha ha pretender... Nice try Oh everyone recognize you as a hero!!! Shut your mouth and post it in comment space as I do. And prove it. Also prove you are a Man by finish this challenge.
@BBEEAANN1 Lets take an operator count:- Mig21-18current and 46former. while F-16 only operated by -25 users. Su-27-21 while F-15-5 only. Mig-29-26current and 10former users while F-18-8 only. Now compare the crash ratio with the no of unit or user figure. Also Almost 30%(from exported) of Mig-21 and Mig29s didnt maintained well and used roughly. Still you can cross check the figure. Su-27,Mig-29,Mig-25,Su-25,Mig-21,etc. several times defected to West mostly to Israel and US. Just use your wiki.
@BBEEAANN1 To counter that technique a Jammer only need to create noise in all frequencies of that band. Yeah still AESA could spot the enemy but difficult to lock it and fire. because of its on defensive measures. If they operate it in full power, then the enemy will spot you(main critic by Pierre Sprey). But in the case of 2008 Red Flag, Mig-21 Bisons were completely blind for F-15s. I read a lot about that in several Red Flag reports and logs.. I think you can easily find it on wikipedia.
@JineshJK and once again the legacy F-15/F-16 are not using AESA radars. Thank you for actually knowing this. Only the block 50/52 or higher F-16's and the F-15 E's are using AESA radar and off bore sites. Im glad you understand that the US doesnt bring its best and newest shinnies to exercises.
@JineshJK once again, since you are uneducated on the topic, any F-16 under the block 50/52, any F-15 that is under the D/E category and any F-18 that is not an SH or E/F does not have AESA radar. They have radars that are almost 20 years old. I am glad you research this topic when discussing it so you can know what you are talking about. Once again go learn about the F-16,F-15, F-18, and the pioneered TVC the US has had on its test bed aircraft before discussing the topics.
@BBEEAANN1 NO ONE WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT F-16,F-18,F-15 LIKE CRAP AIRCRAFTS. SO STOP IT. NO ONE WILL LISTEN YOU. FIND SOME AMERICANS TO VOMIT YOUR USAF SAGA... BYE..BYE..
Did he said something not true we all know its true come out of the illusion
netneo9g 2 weeks ago
I guess we all have our Fox news channels :P
manekk1990 4 weeks ago
A total hack job by these alleged "reporters." The entire video (slightly less than 20 minutes uploaded in 2 parts) of this speaker is available on YouTube. When it hasn't been hacked up by these hack reporters you'll see that the speaker is extremely complimentary of the IAF pilots and the Su30, but does offer some constructive and appropriate criticism as well.
The lecturer actually only insults the French (deservedly).
Full video entitled "Indo-US Red Flag Air Force Exercise Lecture 2008."
ForTheDefense77 1 month ago
well of course the IAF is sub-par they are using old Russian weapons. they need to buy the good stuff.
Radar11g 1 month ago
I guess the truth hurts?? Indian media is full of shit.
BookerT48 2 months ago
Oh is it??? Because the cnn is saying something else... And the us aircrafts were rejected as they couldn't met our standards..
SARTHAK11000 2 months ago
What a way to advertise to sell your fighters... Oh sorry i forgot there's a economic depression in US. So u want indians to buy few aircrafts to create job in your country.... Sorry but india have already neglected the offer..
SARTHAK11000 3 months ago
@SARTHAK11000
Lol economic depression? Not even close. Our economy has been growing for almost 2 years now.
vigorousAtheist 2 months ago
this news report is full of shit. Watch the whole lecture that the instructor did. Fucking shitty ass indian media.
kaunghtut 3 months ago
The real problem in India is actually the Indian media, for all you idiots watch the real videos of the USAF Lecture after Red Flag 2008, and judge for yourself, it was all constructive criticism, and he repeatedly praises IAF for their sincerity and their professionalism but no the Indian media won't show that. Stupid politics controlled media.....
BengalJOY 3 months ago
@1987Arihant buddy, it aint about the planes, its how the pilots r trained, pakistani hav already won a contest against britian and many other countries, wts the point of having modern planes if u cant fly em? bud i aint tryin to offend u bt u need to use ur brain and btw pakistan is moving on to f 10s and around 100 more f 17 and planned fifth generation planes ;)
shamk9 4 months ago
@shamk9 Obviously it is about the training and wat was that again , the pakis won against the BRITS ! hahahahahahaa , i m jus tryin to re-quote u , wats the use of flying at all wen u hav chinese planes , cold war era f-16's and useless porki pilots flying it ! GET A LIFE U IDIOT , LIKE THEY AL SAY , LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS VERY DANGEROUS ! LOL !
araw19india 4 months ago
@araw19india He has a point. The Pakis do fly cold war era F-16s as you claim. However, the Pakis did defeat the RAF in their EF Typhoons without a single loss in those cold war era F-16s. Having good equipment is less than half the battle. If you put incapable pilots in the cockpit of a $150M dollar plane, then you'll lose a pilot and a perfectly good airplane should you send them against a great pilot flying a mediocre aircraft. The RAF should take this lesson seriously.
AeroSharkTech 3 months ago
@shamk9 buddy, we won all the exercises against the brits earlier this year and u just showed ur indian stereotype blad, i can ask u the same question, wts the use of getting modern planes if u cant fly them? fact!!! i aint going to say something bad aboout india cz im presenting pakistan here and if the dogs barking, let him, u dnt hav to be a dog too :D
shamk9 4 months ago
@Read2Rock u r the real idiots we know that su30mki cannot beat f22 coz f22is an 5th gen fighter nd su30 is an 4.5 gen fighter so su30 is comparebal to ur f16,f15 nd some other fighters nd we will hv pak fa/fgfa our own 5th gen fighter made in coopration with russia nd indian AMCA which is also a 5th gen by 2017 then we will comparethem with f22 so dude pls 1st get some knowldge about aircrafts nd then come in disscusions nd if u realy want to know truth search in wiki.idiot.
MrSumitindian 4 months ago
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MrQwertyui12345678 4 months ago
@Read2Rock a loser pakistani lesbian has noting to do except schooling bullshit is utube.better such some american dicks for more F16s.ohhhh sorry pakistan has already junk fighter 17.
MrQwertyui12345678 4 months ago
stupid fat lazzy usaf pilot.he is just showing his frustation of how their fighters were beaten by indian mig21 nd mirages in cope india 2004 nd frustated idiot.even USAF had also distansed itself from his comments.idiot.
MrSumitindian 5 months ago
@MrSumitindian Grow up India. Take it like a man. The frenchies are the ones that should be mad. They got ratted out. India just needs some good teachers in their airforce. Idiot Indian's posting here(not the Indian ex-navy guy) are just talking about the mig-21 vs F-16 with our old radar( now F-16 and 15 have AESA's in them) because you don't want to talk about the F-22 vs Russki junk. Your the first Indian I didn't like and a sad example of your people. U.S. and India should be friends. TSFG
Thestealthfighterguy 3 months ago
Col. Fernof of USAF is fat and stupid
HindustanofHindus 5 months ago
nice way to sell their f 18 .dont worry india has already neglected that.
MrQwertyui12345678 5 months ago
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MrQwertyui12345678 4 months ago
just another rude ignorant dumb officer: colonel fanboy:)
raueda 5 months ago
what he said is right
as an indian i have noted indians are no1 in criticising but they cant stand being criticised ,13 years in the US have made me a much better person
edsgersudakov 6 months ago
This isn't offensive, it's about how 4th gen fighters are no match for 5th gen. India should take this as "constructive criticism", and apply lessons learned while training to fight the Raptors... especially since Communist China recently unveiled it's own stealth fighter. India needs to stop worrying about words and start worrying about sticks and stones, they hurt a lot more. Dear India, you're cool and all, but get your D up to par, or you'll get whooped again by China.
RogerwilcoFoxtrot 6 months ago
poor chap ..was just trying to sell his raptors and useless f-16s ..
bunty752007 6 months ago
typical back stabbers yanks
harjinderbasman 7 months ago
Haters gonna hate, Waiters gonna wait, Tators gonna tate, daters gonna date and gators gonna gate......
vfIskullangel 7 months ago
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Vann7 7 months ago
lol he didn't say anything so bad it's just basic trash talk between allied training games. The brits and french brag all the time when they beat the americans and vise verca. Why are the indians taking it so hard lol.
TheProjektcc 7 months ago
@TheProjektcc There are obvious cultural differences; and it's too bad, India needs to toughen up to compete with China, the gauntlet is already down.
RogerwilcoFoxtrot 6 months ago
Obviously the IAF would never even dream of linking the Su's Russian data link to the standard used by NATO....and obviously the F-22 is better than the Sukhoi. Big deal! more people know it than not. To all the non-Indians, this is nothing more than a 24X7 news channel trying to get some sensational story. The editor probably doesn't have a clue that the F-22 and the Raptor are one and the same!
vodinavis 8 months ago 16
@vodinavis sounds like your american CNN that constantly bitches about useless shit too.
eclipse245 1 month ago
@eclipse245 Hmm, I have CNN and it rarely bitches about stuff. They dont use harsh language even when talking about moronic dictators.
ZiiiP2142 1 month ago
@ZiiiP2142 Well obviously for political correctness. All CNN is, is a propaganda channel.
eclipse245 1 month ago
@eclipse245 And how so...?
ZiiiP2142 1 month ago
@ZiiiP2142 All it does is blast a bunch of information your way and makes a majority of viewers believe it. Whether or not it is true or a biased opinion.
eclipse245 1 month ago
Oh grow up. Take criticism and learn from it. Stop crying you silly news channel.
pdalvi 9 months ago 23
@pdalvi criticism is good , but this is simply bull shit by the american , cant they stop thinking that they are the best. it is nothing else but a childish behaviour ! LMAO !
araw19india 4 months ago
What's puzzling is - this video captured in a secure controlled briefing has been released whole heartedly..... Its obviously not some kind of leak. So opt must be a part of a bigger pre architected propaganda.. And it is at the same time frame that a 11 billion dollar purchase bid was going on by Indian air force for which there are multiple companies competing, including the us lockheed Martin trying to sell it's outdated f16s. I can't resist thinking that this is a cheap but precise propaga
sachinprofile 9 months ago
SEE THAT
watch?v=0vqi9jdBCUc&feature=related (WHOLE TRUTH)
THAT'S WHY USAF ARE ABUSED WITH IAF ????
souro19 9 months ago
Su-30MKI Avionics include Russian,Indian,Israeli and French. Its completely unique. and classified. And IAF pilots are trained by Russian pilots(Best in the world.) And now IAF possess a core of highly skilled veteran pilots.
JineshJK 10 months ago
Fernoff didnt participated in 2008 Red Flag Exercise with IAF. India has manufactured AL-31 engines with TV nozzles under license at the HAL Nasik plant. Dont sent any engine to Russia for repair or over hauling.
JineshJK 10 months ago
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JineshJK 10 months ago
Oh Indian media !!1 ... How much we hate you...
thedarkembassy 11 months ago
One more important thing i would like to mention here, that is all USAF fighters are made by their own advanced technology unlike IAF which is heavly depends upon Russia/France for such advanced fighter jets.
filmmakermumbai 11 months ago
The desperate reaction and expressions of the respective colone simply show that our IAF proved their metal well in that exercise, althought this metal had been proved in much better way earlier against porkistani air force on number of occassions which is said to be trained by USAF since its inception. Although I simply admire the quality of US fighter jets, US Aerospace engineers are one of the best in the world.
filmmakermumbai 11 months ago
its time for india to hire some NATO pilot instructor coz the russian pilot training they got aint worth a shit..no wonder why non-agile u.s in the end ended up dominate more agile russian jet..its bcoz of training n more advance u.s avionics n weapon systems..ooh dont say russia dont fly those planes,actually every country that russia sold there plane too have russian instructor to teach them in first 3 months about air combat tactics n how to use russian jets..russia training sucks balls.
fmoa 11 months ago
@fmoa Indian Airforce didn't use a datalink in that exercise..Then ...the avionics in SU30MKI are Israeli not Russian.If Indian pilots are not well trained then how did they out perform the Americans in COPE INDIA 2006??? Colonel fornof in his speech clearly mention that the experienced Indian pilots came in MIG21's for the redflag.
saajanjohn123 11 months ago
@saajanjohn123 They outperformed the USAF in 2004 actually. And the reason they beat the USAF was because they had inexperienced pilots flying against the IAF's best pilots. When you have pilots that have less than 500 hours in the F-15 going against pilots that have over 2000 hours in an aircraft, who do you actually believe is going to win? In 2008 the IAF were flying against seasoned US pilots in the F-15 and the IAF got beat because of this.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 In 2008 IAF was flying with radars switched off .The Indian planes were also using a different datalink (Russian) and we didn't have any AWACS there.Also the colonel himself said the experienced IAF pilots came in Mig 21 Bisons and not in SU30 MKI's.
saajanjohn123 10 months ago
@saajanjohn123 The IAF were not flying with their radars switched off, they had a ton of friendly fire BVR kills because they were scared of being shot down. The data link is important because you dont need to call into the AWACS in order to ask if the target you are seeing is friendly or not. The IAF had to do this because they were not in the datalink and instead of risking being shot down they fired and fled. If you youtube search RedFlag 2008 and watch the second part the Col. explains this.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Clearly IAF didnt turn operate its radar. There is friendly fire occured in both side. But history shows that USAF leading in that. Identifying friend or foe is not depend on datalink. how foolish you are? are u mad? if you se your own datalink to identify enemy(practically not possible) then u rdead.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK The friendly fired happened by the IAF. I suggest you actually watch the video to understand what is being said. The IAF had its radar on but, since it was not in the data link it could not tell friend from foe so, it had to call in to the AWACS to check. The AWACS told them their was no enemy aircraft within 40 miles of them and they still fired killing friendly aircraft. They did this because they had losses in exercises and did not want to have anymore.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Real war situation is not like controlled situation in RF. In red flag the white force or umpire control both aggressor and blue force side. clearly RF is a strategic event for USAF the situation is heavily controlled by multiple AWACS. Thats because Russian Airforce didnt participated on Red Flag. I am not sure on your arguments that US invited Russia for Red Flag. I didnt heard anything like that. Or is it too derived by your research?
JineshJK 10 months ago
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BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah they declained. nothing unusual. Oh next time USAF gonna invite Chinese Air Force? then Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Iran.. Oh no mighty USAF and US diplomacy. And the result in advance for people like you.. They will decline USAF invitation to Red Flag. Amazing ha??
JineshJK 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Col. Fernoff is a BLUFFMASTER you dont need to refer those bluffs here. Su-30MKI is also known as a mini-AWACS. It can transfer multiple target coordinates to another fighter. Works better with our IAF IL-76 AWACS(Israeli AWACS suit on Ilyushin-76).
How foolish is your comment that "They did this because they had losses in exercises and did not want to have anymore". IAF is not Fernoffs toy. All the USAF pilots participated in 2008 Red Flag Amazed by IAF pilots. they expressed that.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK And one fool from somewhere didnt like that and organized a press meeting to bluff about IAF. All his attempt to underestimate IAF clears that As a USAF pilot there is something happened that he needs to worry about.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK they were amazed at their professionalism. I suggest you watch the video again and listen to what he says. He didnt say that the IAF were the best in 1v1. He says the F-15 handily beat the Su-30 in 1v1. He says the Indians could not get into the data link with the rest of the force because they were using a Russian data link that is not compatible with the US. He also said that they were calling into the AWACS to check targets, the AWACS told them there were no enemies in the area,...
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I suggest you to dont watch that video again. I dont make any comments which refers his video. Only criticize it. So he clearly admitted that F-15 is nothing without any support from AWACS or from ground. USAF pilots trained and practiced on there for years. And its a totally USAF controlled situation. Even though IAF scored F-15 kills against USAF. Why did Fernoff and you forget about that?
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK The 1v1 the F-15 did with the Su-30MKI for three days had no AWACS support. Where did you get that there was AWACS support in that? Did you even listen to what he stated about the 1v1? Did you even hear that a fully loaded F-15 beat an empty Su-30MKI in 1v1? The Su-30 had one pod on it only. But I guess you take what you want from the discussion and discard the rest as you add things to it that arent even there.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah clearly i dont take anything from you and your video. How a fully loaded F-15 beat Su-30MKI?? Do you have any proof?? Dont vomit Fernoff Bluffs. No one will consider it except people like you who dont know anything about the topic and simply argues that we are number one and top. F-15 is far far inferior to Sukhoi-27 and 30s. Its unable to conduct any ground support mission without Israeli Litening targeting pod. But Su30MKI is able to do that. Yeah we also using Litening Pods.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK quite easily considering the Su-27 line suffers from lateral instability issues. The Col. stated what happened to the Su-30MKI in the videa vs the F-15 with actual pilots and not new pilots flying them. Why dont you go learn what the difference is betwen the CV, CTOL, and the STOVL variants on the F-35 before you make yourself look foolish here as well.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 ignorance made mad madness made everything as foolish as they. So Stop it no one talked about F-35 variants. SO AGAIN NICE TRY TI DEVIATE FROM ACTUAL TOPIC. ha ha.. helpless moron. Su-27 wings are fused to its fuselage. And wing angles or dihedral highly optimized for its maneuverability. You are an utter idiot. How the hell a lateral stability lacking aircraft perform the amazing maneuvers that are impossible for all other aicrafts in the world.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK I suggest you look up the known lateral instability of the Su-27 design, this helps with its ability to be highly maneuverable but, you research things well when discussing them:/
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Especially Su-30 MKI has Canards integrated to its highly sophisticated Fly by Wire system. there is no chance for any kind of lateral instability. You almost tried 100 more words that you didnt have any idea about to beat me. But boy SAD SAD.. you again spoiled it. No one can measure lateral stability by naked eye. You and your Col. ho both are superb. People who changed Centre Gravity of aircraft to its nose. and measured lateral instability and dihedral by naked eye. Ha ha..
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK You do know that the F-15 is not an Israeli aircraft and they fly them? You do know that the US shares its technology with the Israeli's just as the Israeli's do the same. Just like the US is helping to develop the current missle defense system with the Israeli's. This is what allies do, I guess you dont get this. The F-15 is slightly underneath the Su-30 but, I would hope the Russians would have developed a better craft in less than 30 years time, my bad.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Israelis avoid big budget projects(Especially in unknown fields). So leave it. US possess money exploited from all over the world. So they can make Moon landing videos, Big defence gimmick projects,etc.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Did you hear anything about umpiring white group of Red Flag? They control all these exercise and command Blue Force. that means its more likely to a third eye on the sky. USAF explanation is different and everybody knows whats the real fact. At first you talk about US AWACS datalink with Su-30MKIs and then arguing that it was IAF AWACS, now saying that there is no AWACS in Red Flag. What do you think yourself? Fernoffs aim is clear 2008 Red Flag was a clear shame for USAF. and he
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK need to counter that fact and boast a lot about USAF. Or what else. He was not an official spokesman of USAF or Red Flag and didnt even participated in 2008 Red Flag exercise. I comment a lot about all these statements and you didnt even respond at once. At first your claim is based on "Col. Fernoff's own experience" then you said that "Red Flag is all about inexperienced USAF pilots". Then how High ranked Col. participated in it??
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Of course Redflag 2008 is a shame for the USAF, they only learned what the SU-MKI could and could not do and found out the F-15 was capable of demolishing it in 1v1 excercises with experienced pilots. Not to mention that helmet targeting systems are going to make TVC of no relevance. But you keep thinking that the USAF sucks, dont cry when you see more Russian made aircrafts littering the ground in whatever illegal war our dumbass government gets us into.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah by Red Flag 2008 USAF realized that Su-30MKI is enough and even IAF Mig-21 Bison could kick USAF. And planned to produce more Hollywood movies to win Red Flag exercise. Also USAF pilots returned to their primary school to memories all about "CENTRE OF GRAVITY"(After Col. Fornoff's press meeting). Another blunder from 'BBEEAANN1'.. "Fighter pilots gonna use Helmet mounted targeting system to turn their aircraft"!!!!!?? Ha ha great brain. Please dont expose your brain to sun light.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK You definitely dont know much about das do you? Where in any of this did I say that your helmet turned your aircraft. This is why talking to you is a tiring process. Youtube search F-35 das. The helmet targeting system targets and aircraft and the missles fire and track behind the aircraft to kill its target. Thank you for knowing what is being discussed and thinking I said something that I didnt. Come back when you are educated on the das on the f-35 and current F-16 systems.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Fool das is not a radar its infrared and other electronic track platform based. Thats why i told that there is limitations for missiles. Long-range, Short-range,etc. there guidence varying from infrared to active radar guided. Each suited for specific situations and conditions. So first learn something about air-air weapon system. DAS is nothing new. Its just a simplified small version of FLIR and Targetting pod.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK When you are in a dogfight you are in visual range jines, this means that IRST tracking at that range there are no limitations but, there will be issues with the AESA radar being able to lock onto the Stealth tech on the F-35. This is a known issue with the dogfights that people have with the F-22. It is hard to get a lock on the aircraft. I learned plenty about das and the F-35 has a full 360 degree of das. Lets say that das is only a 40 mile range, that is well within das's range.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Btw jine I have always known that das is IRST so stop thinking that I dont. If you are going into the merge with an F-35 you have to deal with its AESA radar tracking you and its das IRST tracking you. By the time you are in the merge both the AESA and IRST will have you tracked and even if you get behind the aircraft jamming, you arent jamming das and you are going to get shot down. Try thinking things through a bit there jine. The Su's have a huge radar cross section..
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 F-35 is a total failure. Its not near stealthy as F-22 and a bulky big spot for SAM systems. Its designed mainly for ground support. and the truth is that it cant sustain a machine gun ground fire. And IRST used to detect objects invisible to radar. And its range is very low. IRBIS-E radars in Su-35 can detect F-35 like target from more than 100km away. Su-27 IRST range is 80-100km and also has laser designator for weapon guidance.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 How? In which way? There is no problem for AESA target locking against a stealth aircraft. Prove it how? Its nothing, an object hard one. Distance is the only problem for any radar against any stealth aircraft. If it is in close range(not so close without any jammer), Its much much easier to detect. Only USAF fighter pilots conducted full Dogfight exercise with F-22. And just understand the fact that F-22 is amazingly poor in WVR combat.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK You are the one who said that the F-22 and the Eurofighter went head to head and the Eurofighter won. It is good to see you are correcting yourself considering the F-22 has only flown against the USAF and NAVY pilots. The F-15 with AESA radar has a hard time logging onto the aircraft, same thing with the F-18 with AESA radar. The fact remains that in exercises the F-22 has had the biggest lopsided victories in RedFlag to date. No other aircraft has logged the kills it has.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
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@BBEEAANN1 I didnt correct anything myself because I dont need to do that, like you. No one corrected anything. I talked about F-22s "FULL DOGFIGHT EXERCISE" yeah its only happened against USAF. But several trails and comparison. Not so celebrated one.(For USAF, Nothing to celebrate). First read comments carefully and read this link..
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JineshJK 9 months ago
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@BBEEAANN1 F-22 never flown against IAF jets. Ok Redesrcher.. First understand that.
Once again here is the link..
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JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Its goals only depend on stealth,high altitude operations,AESA radar,and supercruise. Thats only. Nothing more, there is no advantage from sensor fusion,stylish gizmos,etc. F-22 cant remain invisible in WVR combat. and in dog fight its a big zero, cause one usual 20mm ground rifle fire is enough to damage F-22 severely. then imagine a fire from 30mm Su-27 cannon. So its vulnerable in ground support role and WVR combat.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK and they still fired, killing friendly targets. If they didnt have their radar on they could not fire.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Su-30MKIs are able to fire missiles on shared targets. So they dont need to switch on Radars to fire passive radar guiding missiles. Or can kept it in a degraded performance.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK It cant transfer any data to fighters who dont have a common datalink, gee I would have thought you would have figured that out. The AWACS/USAF datalink and the Su-30 datalinks are not compatible hence the reason the Indians had to call into the AWACS for confirmation on targets.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah Confirmation on Target.. then who are responds?? US AWACS then if the target was friendly then who is really gonna take that responsibility?? Targets confirmed by US AWACS, fire on confirmed target was friendly. Then who is responsible for that?? Thats my question.(All under your claimed situation).
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK Do you even get that the Indians were on the same team in the excercise? It is the USAF/IAF/FAF/GAF all on the same team flying against the aggressor squadrons. The germnas and french were in the datatlink with the USAF but, the IAF have a Russian based system so they are not compatible with the datalink so, they had to call into the AWACS to check on targets. If you actually knew anything about Redflag then you would know about this. You have no idea what Redflag is, go learn
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 From the first I talked about Aggressor squad and its participants. First datalink is not necessary in all situation. datalink is used for many purpose, target confirmation was one of them and IAF Su-30MKIs radars didnt used for track and lock targets. So they need to confirm the acquired targets(via shared target coordinates) by AWACS. Here NATO maintain a standard on their devices. So they are compatible. But in the case of IAF. And that doesnt mean that Su-30MKI is defeated.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK The friendly fired happened by the IAF. I suggest you actually watch the video to understand what is being said. The IAF had its radar on but, since it was not in the data link it could not tell friend from foe so, it had to call in to the AWACS to check. The AWACS told them their was no enemy aircraft within 40 miles of them and they still fired killing friendly aircraft. They did this because they had losses in exercises and did not want to have anymore.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Friendly fire not only happened by IAF. Thats my point. USAF also scores friendly fire. IAF didnt switched its radars ON or in a degraded performance. Su-30MKIs are able to track and lock targets using its IRST(OLS-30) If IAF had its radars ON then how they gonna mistake targets even after the radio communication with AWACS? No datalink is needed. While the Blue force driven only by USAF.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w - here is the second part of the discussion where the Col. goes over why the IAF had so many friendly fire losses in the exercises. They were using their radars but, were not in the data link. If they were not using their radars they would not be able to target another aircraft and fire a missle at the target.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Radars used in degraded performance mode. And not all the aircrafts. Some remain in completely switched off mode while using shared target coordinates from friends. In that mode the range and capability of the radar is low. And so they need to relay on AWACS at that situation. In that way If IAF start friendly fire, then who is responsible for that? The AWACS crew. They sent wrong coordinates to the MKIs.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK They were calling into the AWACS because they were not in the datalink. They had their radar on. You cannot lock onto a target and fire at it to generate a kill in RedFlag unless you have your friggin radar on. Would you please go learn about the exercises and stop making excuses for what happened to the Su-30 in 1v1 exercises. In 1v1 they had their radars on or you dont generate kills either. Make all the delusional excuses you want, feel free. Im done, peace, enjoy your delusion.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
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@BBEEAANN1 Su-30MKIs are able to fire missiles on shared targets. So they dont need to switch on Radars to fire passive radar guiding missiles. Or can kept it in a degraded performance.
First you need to understand that a radar can operate in a DEGRADED Performance level. You got that?
Several 1 to 1 combats were performed by IAF and USAF in RF. where are you going?? After all these bluffs...
JineshJK 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 The IAF was not in the datalink and they needed to call AWACS because our datalink is unique (as @JineshJK said)and having a datalink which is unique is very important in war time.The US is always oppurtunistic and we don't think they will help India in a war with our enemies.They would remain as spectators and also will try to block India from getting weapons or spares at wartime.That's why we even now we don't consider US as a reliable partner in weapons deal.
saajanjohn123 10 months ago
@saajanjohn123 Why would the US go to war with India? Seriously you guys listen to your media, just like the idiotic average American does and dont check any of the data that your brainwashing media spews at you.The newscast that did a piece on the Col. cut parts of the video in order to get him to say he was saying bad things about India so, what does the average Indian citizen do, they say wonderfully bad things about the US without checking to see if the information was true.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 ha ha Indian medias always trying to praise US. Every mainstream media is under control of US lobby. Average Do you know what Clinton called Lashkar-e-Taiba in the past? Kashmir Freedom fighters. What about David Headly?? I dont like to turn our active topic into politics. But US relay on Weapon trades and thats the politics for them.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Really, the India media always praises the US. What about this media piece we are discussing there genius? It surely sounds like they are praising the US of A right there now doesnt it? Some people are incredibly intelligent and can see the obvious, I wish you were one of those people.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@saajanjohn123 The whole video is on youtube and can be seen and the Col. is not putting down the IAF. He actually praises them on things they did. He goes over how the US thought the Su-30 was gonna be a match for the F-22 and these exercises proved it wasnt. He went over the 1v1 with the F-15 and the Su-30 and showed with more experienced pilots, the F-15 can dominate the Su-30 just like the Su-30 can do the same the the F-15. It is the pilot not the jet.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Then what about the quote.. "They need to sent their engine to Russia for Overhauling or Repair..." One minute difference between takeoff.. All these are Bluffs. Wrong comments about foreign airforce. Is it great for a discipline oriented force?? IAF dont need 1 minute difference between take off, And HAL has licensed Al-31 engine Manufacturing-Overhauling unit. But critical parts are imported from Russia.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK You dont know much about FoD do you? Russian engines are known to get damage from FoD and have to launch at longer increments between take-offs so they dont FoD an engine out. If an engine needs repairs Russia makes the IAF send their engines back to Russia in order to fix the engine. This is not a bluff, this is known fact. Just like the issues with the MiG-29's the Indians have had. They have constantly bitched about their engines failing and a ton did.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Prove it... Prove it dumpass.. FOD is a serious problem for all turbojet engine. Do you remember the F-16 crash due to FOD?? HAL plant in Nasik produce Al-31 engine under license. Also doing overhaul-repair. You statements are bluff because you and your Col. both are retarded Americans. We dont faced any issue with Russian engine but US may faced a lot with copied technology. Please show me one US turbojet engine free from FOD.!! IAF didnt take 1 minute gap for take off.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK F-16's crash because birds fly into its engines not because of small pieces of debris come off of the tarmac into the engine, like Russian aircraft.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Prove any Russian aircraft crash due to tiny piece of foreign object(in which US engine will survive). Its another challenge prove it if you are a man...
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK I already sent you the link at your channel where the Indian air force discusses this in multiple documents. I went back a few minutes later and the comment was deleted. If you want me to relink it to you I will. The FOD issue is a known issue and the Polish airforce stated such about their MiG-29's as well.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
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@BBEEAANN1 That was a comment not a link. You just need to prove it. you comment the link(reduced by tinyurl com). FOD issue is not only for Russian engines its for all the turbine engines in the world. This is one another example for the foolishness of Col. Fernoff. And people like you holding it. How idiotic. Do you have a mind? then please think about FOD in turbine engine. Ha ha How its only specialized in Russian engine!!!?
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK The IAF took one minute to take off in between planes and the US helped them get that down to 45 seconds. Im done discussing things with you when you feel everything the US states about the IAF is incorrect and everything that the IAF states is true. Its just like this wonderful news piece that completely takes parts of what the Col says and edits it to get them to say what they want. Continue in your brainwashed delusion
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 IAF didnt one minute gap for take off. How US helped them to take it down?? Not US official statement. Its a statement from retarded kid Col. Terrance Fernoff. No one consider it as an Official USAF statement. USAF apologize for his fake arguments against Indian Air Force. Edited or not, Those words are still in the name of your dumpass Col. So first wash your own brain to recognize those bits from the whole video.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK Sending you links as I type this, enjoy the read....
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 where is your links?? post it on comment space So others can refer it.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK
I have left you the links at your channel and you just delete them. I cant leave the links here so I want you to google World record: 500th Indian "Flying Coffin" Mig crashes. this will bring you to the Rupee news and multiple other links that show the IAF has the worst safety record in the world. You will find a link that is from 2003 where the MiG had crashed 350 MiG's and lost 170 pilots. You will also find that the IAF has l024 crashes in 13 years.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah only IAf has the worse on Mig-21 because of poor early local upgradation and parts quality. And again there is no 500 crash. Ok you better search on google. The website also accepting the fact that their news is independent form officials. Then how they increased 350 crash(includes pilot error) to 500?? So You need to research better.. 1024 crashes??? ha ha. Are u dreaming?
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK btw I sent you a couple of links to your channel so you can go read up on what the IAF thinks of the MiG and its complaints about it and its engine issues. I have more links if you would like them. Just ask and I will get them for you, they are Indian sources as well.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Sent it first and Bark. Please point out a single complaint on Mig-29.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK I sent it multiple times and rechecked after it was on your site a few minutes after. You deleted 3 links that I sent you so yeah, try not deleting them. I will once again send you the links, after this I am done. This is my last statements to you, and I am responding to what you have posted here and then I am rinsing my hands of my discussion with you. You do not like to look anything up and I will leave you where you are.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 HA ha Bluffer... Post it on the comment area so everyone could refer it. You didnt post any link to my channel instead a cry. I posted all links and reference in comment area. And challenged you several times. No links yet. Sad.. sad..
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK I actually posted multiple links to you in your channel. I go back after a few minutes and they are removed by you. This is my last post, I left you three links. If you dont believe me then google the issues with the IAF crashing 500 MiGs
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 You actually posted nothing. And i will delete any bluffs or meaning less words. So are you sure about your gender? as a male? again and again how many challenges from me. Cant take atleast one? Poor. Again POST YOUR DAMN LINKS IN COMMENT AREA AS I DONE. and prove you are a man.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I posted more than 20 links to you. and you?? So first provide any single link and then talk about your tiredness due to the fake link postings.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@saajanjohn123 The Col. said the IAF pilots came from training in the Mig 21 Bison to the Su-30 so, they had a lot of experience in both aircraft. The 1v1 that happened over 3 days with the F-15 was against the Su-30 and the IAF was flying against more experienced pilots in the F-15. The F-15 was also being flown with a full wartime config against the Su-30 with one pod on the aircraft and still lost. It is not the airplane, it is the pilot that makes the difference in air to air combat.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@saajanjohn123 watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w -Here is the second part of the discussion where he goes over how the IAF frat kills were huge because they were shooting down friendly aircraft because they did not want to get shot down.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 No huge friendly fire. but happened in both sides. By referring History USAF leading in that.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Friendly fire happens in war and all countries have friendly fire casualties. This is why the US developed data links so this stuff doesnt happen.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@saajanjohn123 yeah bro agree with you. Not only in Red Flag alone, all exercise IAF conducted with foreign counterparts with Su-30MKIs were in a Radar swiched off or in a degraded performance way. Racism is still blowing from America Fernoff is the best example for that. F-15 is no way near to Sukhoi fighter jets. Su-30MKI is nothing different. thats because Mikhail Simnovs dogfight challenge against USAF still remains free. Americans believe in HOLLYWOOD..
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK The F-15 can handle a Su-30 in 1v1, if you have a experienced pilot. If you believe TVC is going to help you against off bore site missles the F-15 and F-16 are getting you better strap yourself in for a huge disappointment because they arent. If the US wanted to they could slap TVC on both the F-16 and F-15 and they would both outdo the Su's easily. The F-15 Active and F-16MATV could both out do the Su's in all acrobatic displays.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Prove it.. If US aircrafts are able to dominate Russians in Acrobatic.. Prove it with videos.
Also tell USAF to take dogfight challenge from Sukhoi.. How about it. All I am talking about CHALLENGE!! not about you EXERCISE Invitation!! Ok Understand that??
JineshJK 10 months ago
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BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 US didnt invited Russia to Red Flag. Now stop your bluff. Can you prove it I provide you links about TVCs when you demand it. I searched a lot about your invitation story. I didnt found anything. So its clear USAF DIDNT INVITE RUSSIA TO RED FLAG... BUT MIKHAIL SIMNOV CHALLENGED USAF TO PARTICIPATE IN A DOG FIGHT WITH SUKHOI-27, THE CHALLENGE IS STILL OPEN.. USAF cant do that. And if they already invited, then its still a training combat and not a combat challenge...
JineshJK 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Red Flag was organized for US and its allies. then how USAF gonna invite Russian Airforce? Sukhoi is ready to fight with US fighters on any soil. 2008 Red Flag was a total ass shaker for US. Now they know how better trained pilots using Russian fighters and its true power. Fernoff's desperate press meeting was one of the nice example for that.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK You dont know much about RedFlag do you? Maybe when you read up on it some more we can actually have an intelligent conversation about it. Until then im tired of talking with the uneducated.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 I know much much about Red Flag Exercise 2008. IAF kicked USAF and returned to Home. Please dont talk infront of the mirror. If you..then You need to face an uneducated illiterate Master.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK the fact that more russian aircraft have been shot down in the history of modern aircraft warfare shows the facts that the US dominance as an airforce is above the Russian technology that they are developing. This is historical fact. The US have less aircraft that have been shot down compared to Russian aircraft. So much for being superior. We invite Russia to prove they are better and they turn down the invitation, so much for coming to prove who is better. Have nice day
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 US faced small airforces with a force 4 times larger than them(NATO). And with the support of more money from Japan. They didnt need to fight against better trained Force. Even though what happened in Vietnam? Korea? Now in Iraq. American Coffin business expanded more.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 In 2004 it was Cope India Exercise conducted in Indian soil. And no airforce in the world will sent their inexperienced pilots to foreign soil for anything..(including exercise). And IAF won 90% of missions conducted. In 2008 it was Red Flag a prestigious exercise for USAF. No doubt there also USAF fielded pilots were trained and experienced well. Even though F-15 lost its majority of missions against IAF Mig-21 Bisons and Su-30MKIs. Mig-21s were completely blind for USAF F-15,16&18s.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Obviously you dont get why the US does Redflag, it is to train inexperienced pilots on how to work together. Please research why the US does Redflag, it is a training excercise for the inexperienced pilots who have no wartime experience. The F-15 lost to 1v1 excercises to the Su-30 because the pilots who were flying had less than 500 hours in the F-15. In 2008 the IAF flew against more experienced USAF pilots and got beat badly. The F-18 has AESA radar, the Bison is not invisible to it
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 eah Mig-21 was invisible to USAF fighters. AESA is means nothing infront of smart tactics and jamming. In Red Flag US pilots didnt gain any upper hand over IAF. Red flag is not for inexperienced US pilots. They studying about their foreign counterparts. And Red Flag is heavily under control of the USAF AWACS. So thats a biased condition for exercise.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Col. Richard "Moody" Suter based his plan for Red Flag on lessons learned from Vietnam. Young pilots and crew members were either shot down or had an accident during their first 10 sorties. His plan was to get those young pilots into a combat-structured environment, where those first 10 missions could be performed in the controlled arena of an exercise. This is a quote from the RedFlag description, please learn what RedFag is and why it was created
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Ha Ha.. Quote?? Are you sleeping? Wake up man BARAK OBAMA won the Nobel prize for PEACE!!! a US president got it. And still you need to believe the quotes of American diplomacy and military?? So dont show any gimmicks from your Govt. or force. Young pilots need more HOME TRAINING before going to face any foreign pilots. So dont vomit USAF quotes.. please. What about the bitter experience that F-22Raptor got from Euro Fighter Typhoon? Also cancelled further sorties after that incident
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Do I or the majority of people in the US like Obama? Obviously you dont know much about the American people. You also dont know how to separate the US government from its people. You also like to believe everything the news tells you without researching anything. Should Obama have won the Nobel Prize for continuing an illegal war in Iraq and Afghanistan?No he shouldnt have and everyone in the US mocked Norway for giving him the Peace Prize.Can you link me the data on the F-22/EF please
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 People in US didnt like politicians and also they are unable to judge them whether its Republican or Democrats. Everything is controlled by Lockheed,Boeing,Apple,Dell,Microsoft,pharmaceutical companies,etc. Weapon trade depends on war war depends on some foolish concept like "War on Terrorism" made by US, terrorism created and updated by US. Total shameless criminal bank dedicated for dreaming WORLD ORDER.. Actually US medias destroying Quality Human Resources in US. thats the truth.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK You really dont know much about the American people at all. I suggest you actually research us as well since you make broad assumptions about the US without knowing anything about us or our culture. Watching to much Indian propaganda on the TV is the only thing I can attribute it to.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Ha ha culture in US?? Funny man. ha ha CULTURE in US!!!
JineshJK 9 months ago
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JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK The legacy fighters do not have the AESA radar. I am sorry if you dont know much about the AESA radar but, it sees you even if you have a pod jamming. I suggest a little research it before discussing it.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 AESA emits active electronic radiation unlike Passive scanning radar system. how it will counter the jamming pod? Explain it.. if you already done any research. Legacy fighter is not my topic and I consider it as one more bluff from you.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK You dont know much about AESA now do you? Jammers work by figuring out the frequency of a radar and broadcasting a signal on the frequency to confuse it. AESA constantly changes operating frequencies so jamming it is very difficult. Man I wish you would research topics you discuss because you have no idea any of the topics you discuss.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Yeah its right but Jammers are able to emit multiple frequencies at the same time and they are depend on Radio wave band. That means electromagnetic spectrum like X-band or L-band or S-band. I think AESA radars probably utilize X-band spectrum. They can use all range of frequencies in a band from each transceiver element.(varying from pulse to pulse) So its a great mechanism to spot objects invisible to PESA.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Go read up on AESA and talk to me when you realize that the F-15/F-16 that were being jammed were legacy fighters with older radars in RedFlag. The newer versions of the aircraft all have AESA radar that is hard to jam. The newer F-16's and the F-18 SH all have AESA radars and yeah, that MiG-21 is gonna be scrap if it thinks jamming is going to help it.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 AESA came or not the aircraft is still unreliable crap US made one So there is no point to talk. May Hollywood produce another fantasy with a fantastic name like "AESA" starring one white one black and one woman. Yeah its over solved all technical, military, and racial-gender discrimination with only one movie. "THE AESA"... Mig-21 is a proven fighter jet please dont compare it with toys "MADE IN USA"...
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK Tell that to all the MiG's the Israeli's have eaten up over the years in the F-15 and the F-16. Im sure the MiG 21 pilots would be sure to explain to you how much junk the aircraft were that shot them down. The F-14 ate up the MiG-21 and the MiG-23 and youre calling US made aircraft junk. Btw whhy dont you look up the numbers of MiG-21's, btw the Indians call them the flying coffin, compared to the F-15/F-16, then talk to me about what is junk.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Israelis destroyed 85% Migs by bombing missions against ARAB airbase. Do you read anything about invisible Mig-21s(Israeli radars failed to detect them). Talk about air-air combat. Soviets destroyed Israeli Mirages using the same Mig-21s. Any pilot in the world represent Mig-21 as a junk, except some american fools. Even Israeli pilots accept that fact that Mig-21s are Superb. Explain the purpose of Operation Diamond. Why Israel hijacked Mig-21 and examined it with Americans.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK I suggest you look at the link I left at your comments about the crash record the Indian airforce has set in the MiG. The Indians call the MiG the flying coffin in their media. Why would they call the MiG that? It is either a. The MiG is a terrible aircraft which, I dont think it is or 2. The engines and other parts of the aircraft are old and are breaking down or 3. The Indians are inept at training young pilots in aircraft so they dont kill themselves and crash. I will go with 2/3
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 First provide any single link? Can you? Are you able to do that? Indians didnt call any Mig "Flying Coffin" and Media did it. US influence in media could do anything. The problems faced during the upgradation of Mig-21s by inexperienced HAL employees and local poor quality parts. The problem faced only in IAF not Russian Airforce or any other force using Mig-21s. So dont need more bluffs and imagination from you. Mig-21 crash crisis, only beacuse of poor local maintenance.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Oh Mig is poor?? then why Israeli air force conduct War simulation against Mig-21s and Mig-29s. Mig-21s are still formidable and proved well against F-15s and F-18s combat exercise.
You dont know anything about Fighter aircraft and so heavily depending basic quick reference form internet. And including your own imagination and findings in that. You cant handle it.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK The MiG-21 has been shot down more than almost any other aircraft. Indian has crashed like 300 of them and call the MiG the flying coffin. I already gave you the link. Is it a good plane? yes. Has it been shot down alot? Yes. The F-16 and F-15 havent been shot down in air to air combat and those claiming to have done so have no proof so, yeah get the proof. The have been lost to sam and ground fire but, that has happened to the MiG and Su's as well.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Because Mig-21 was widely used(trusted, reliable, and formidable aircraft). IAF lost 116 Mig-21 in crash(most during Upgradation). not 300. First learn to search on internet. F-16 and F-15 didnt meet any good airforce in air combat and Simnov challenge them to participate in a dogfight with their Sukhoi-27. No Of course no American pilots are able to do that. So the challenge still reamains.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK I gave you the link in your comments about the IAF loosing its 500th MiG to a crash since they started flying the aircraft. They have the worst record in the entire world for crashing aircraft. I gave you 3 links from Indian sources stating this about the MiG but you just delete them from your comments in your channel. As I said I am done talking with you and if you wish to deny your own media feel free to live in your delusion. Peace and have a nice life, believe what you will.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 IAF didnt lose Migs near 250 in crash even it didnt touch anyway near to 400 with combat loss count. You just suggest wikipedia. And I recommend you to read it again carefully. Ha ha pretender... Nice try Oh everyone recognize you as a hero!!! Shut your mouth and post it in comment space as I do. And prove it. Also prove you are a Man by finish this challenge.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Lets take an operator count:- Mig21-18current and 46former. while F-16 only operated by -25 users. Su-27-21 while F-15-5 only. Mig-29-26current and 10former users while F-18-8 only. Now compare the crash ratio with the no of unit or user figure. Also Almost 30%(from exported) of Mig-21 and Mig29s didnt maintained well and used roughly. Still you can cross check the figure. Su-27,Mig-29,Mig-25,Su-25,Mig-21,etc. several times defected to West mostly to Israel and US. Just use your wiki.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 To counter that technique a Jammer only need to create noise in all frequencies of that band. Yeah still AESA could spot the enemy but difficult to lock it and fire. because of its on defensive measures. If they operate it in full power, then the enemy will spot you(main critic by Pierre Sprey). But in the case of 2008 Red Flag, Mig-21 Bisons were completely blind for F-15s. I read a lot about that in several Red Flag reports and logs.. I think you can easily find it on wikipedia.
JineshJK 10 months ago
@JineshJK and once again the legacy F-15/F-16 are not using AESA radars. Thank you for actually knowing this. Only the block 50/52 or higher F-16's and the F-15 E's are using AESA radar and off bore sites. Im glad you understand that the US doesnt bring its best and newest shinnies to exercises.
BBEEAANN1 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 No one care US bullshits like "Legacy craps" F-15/F-16 craps" leave it. Please spot anything near to "FAIR" category in US military.
JineshJK 9 months ago
@JineshJK once again, since you are uneducated on the topic, any F-16 under the block 50/52, any F-15 that is under the D/E category and any F-18 that is not an SH or E/F does not have AESA radar. They have radars that are almost 20 years old. I am glad you research this topic when discussing it so you can know what you are talking about. Once again go learn about the F-16,F-15, F-18, and the pioneered TVC the US has had on its test bed aircraft before discussing the topics.
BBEEAANN1 9 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 NO ONE WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT F-16,F-18,F-15 LIKE CRAP AIRCRAFTS. SO STOP IT. NO ONE WILL LISTEN YOU. FIND SOME AMERICANS TO VOMIT YOUR USAF SAGA... BYE..BYE..
JineshJK 9 months ago
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BBEEAANN1 10 months ago