If is a military ship, there are no maritime law., it belongs to its owner. Anyway, the ship was found in spanish waters, n the operation was hidden of spanish autoirities, they already knew that it was not legal, but they already get what they wanted, the gold not declared in the research. The difference between the declared and the no declared is the odissey's profit. The trial was in USA, n Spain still won, didn't spain be right in its claims? of course yes.
Now there are still thousand of ancient spanish vessel sinked all around the planet whith thousand of tons of gold, silver and jewlery!!!!!!! but Spain just have rights in those where there are documents of the charge in the India's Archive of Seville, and those vessels wich are military, because internacional laws recognize that a military vessel and its load belong to its true owner forever while the owner exists.
@dabit01 "Maritime Law" & Law of salvage do not allow Spain or any county to claim the gold or value of any find. the finder is the keeper at sea, on land this is different, and certain finds are categorised differently ( In the UK anyway) but at sea, its maritime law that prevails... not country's laws. & "Correctly so".
@fuelban Spain and USA consider their sunken warships are and should be treated as graves of fallen in service. It is not just a plundering of our heritage, also is a desecration of graves of Spanish soldiers killed in service by Anglosaxon Pirates as Odysseis company is..
The fact is that our government has been ineffective and lazy about this matter during to much time, and just since the Fisher's case and others like Odissey, is working on this matter properly together with the spanish navy.
For exemple, in 2007 Odyssey Marine Exploration found 17K tons of gold and silver coins and recently after a hard and long trial in Florida, the judge has ordered the devolution of the treasure to Spain.
Nevertheless I must say that spaniards searched the treasure during many decades after the sinking, but they never found it and thought it was lost forever.
Spaniards don't search for ancient treasures because the laws in Spain don't allow to do business or comercialize the goods of spanish vessels. The charge belongs to Spain and treasure-researchers must bring it to the government while they recive a % compensation.
2. The people who could claim for the treasure was 1)Spain, (because the gold and jewlry was extracted and manufactered in spanish lands, and because the vessel was spanish too) and 2) the Fisher family ( because they invested in the research and of course, because they found it)
The trial in USA favored Fisher's family, so they are the only owners of the treasures that they found.
I' m sorry for his family tragedy but now they are in history books. God bless them.
I wish a life like him, although I don't become rich, just for fun and adventure.
Now ,let's see some points:
1. No country in America including those south-americans countries where the gold was extracted can claim for the treasure because in XVI century almost the whole continent was "New Spain", neither Peru neither Bolivia, Mexico, Usa existed in that age.
Recently the americans (Odessey) found a British ship found off the florida keys worth 400 million (Indian loot) . 80% of it will be Americans keeps I read
..hey, el tema es del oro encontrado en el Atocha, la ley del mar dice que "quien lo encuentre, es suyo", y encima de eso, esta en aguas americanas. En sur america existia una civilizacion, de indios, y "vosotros" fueron los invasores, a cuenta de que estaban descubriendo el otro lado del globo, y llegaron armados, con polvora, municiones, mataron a miles de indios, y se establecieron, el resto es historia.(hablo de sur america, de donde viene el oro)
what an amazing story....it is so incredible how humans will continue and be so tenacious when they are seduced by something...I cant help but admire fisher's determination...I am amazed he kept his wife and children on side.
He must have been an incredible man.....Even when one of his sons died he continued....I am so glad it had a happy ending. At least he didnt die in vain.
Well done Mr Fisher & family!!, what an experience!, everything you went thru!, my respects to you all. ...Is there more of the Atocha downthere somewhere?????!!!!!!! (anybody`s answer will be welcomed)
@TheGentleman4u I hope when somebody steal something from you somebody says: "Nice job!" That is a SPANISH treasure from a SPANISH ship. Robbers, bring it back, it should be in our museums!
@mbcrra Hey, 1) lo que dices de que fue comercializado con los indijenas, lo pongo muy en duda, seguramente los esclavizaron y obligaron a buscar oro para llevarlo a Espana, 2) Espana nunca hizo nada por encontrar a el Atocha, pero ahora que lo encontro un americano, si reclaman que es suyo?? que comodos!!, y 3), "ladron que roba a ladron, tiene 100 anios de perdon!. Si eso fuera de Espana, porque estaba en el Atocha, en los cayos de Florida?? ..eso se llama "expropiar"
@TheGentleman4u Hay muchos estados de USA que son Españoles y fueron "Robados". Si sois tan justos ¿porque no nos los devolveis?. Ha claro usariais la fuerza, como España cuando era un imperio. Hipocritas. Ese oro es Español porque los territorios pertenecian en ese momento a España y porque lo extrageron Españoles, fueran nativos o no. Ademas llevan un sello que pone bien clarito ha quien pertenecen.
@TheGentleman4u ah! y por cierto a eso se le llama ser un pirata, alguien idealizado por la cultura Anglosajona, pero que no deja de ser lo mas bajo y rastrero, además de ser un ladron. No me vengas con la doble moral, porque la envidia de la Corona Britanica le hacia justificar y utilizar cualquier mala arte y cobardia, con tal de salirse con la suya. Vosotros habeis heredado esa idiologia como hijos de piratas que sois, inventando guerras y robando tierras aprovechando que nos invadio Napoleon
@mbcrra Hay una sentencia firme sobre el "Expolio" del Galeon Español hundido en el estrecho de Gibraltar (Nuestras Aguas para colmo). ¿Sabes que fue de eso?. Supongo que pasó como con el caso "Couso". Cuando tratas con Papá USA siempre te acaba jodiendo. Y despues van de Santicos, y de que malos fuimos los Españoles, me dan ganas de pegarle un ostia$%"·$%·$%&·$&·&. Lo siento, pero es que es Indignante y estoy hasta los cojones de leer comentarios contra España, siendo siempre los más "primos"
@mbcrra it should be in YOUR museums? really? dude, did you even watch the video? the spanish ROBBED that treasure from south america continuouslly and sent treasure ships back to spain to fund the economy ... who knows who the original owners were probebly defencless south american families .... now this family owns it and they are rich as %$&^ so don't be jealous ...
The greatest treasure discovery and the many years of it's search, the perils, tragedies, perseverance, never giving up on your dreams, and the triumph of it's discovery...read "Fool's Paradise", written by Robert E. Ferguson, who participated with Mel Fisher and his team. Check out Friesen Press and also Amazon.com and learn that you can feel the fulfillment of your goals and dreams.
The Fisher's deserve every ounce of that gold. They dedicated their entire lives to finding it. It prob never would have been found. The gov't should GIVE them even more money for the historical benefit.
@jillsofili1 Shut the fuck up, if you fucking peruvians cared that much about your gold then you shouldeve went and found it your fucking self. The fishers found it. Get the fuck over yourself.
I went to the Keys and went to Mel's museum, and bought a genuine silver 8 piece like the one in this video around the son's neck. each piece is logged you brought it up, Mel himself brought up my coin. Its documented with papers when I bought it.
Kool
andrewfuentesymail 1 month ago
thats messed up the goverment tried to take it all
nolanjuice84 3 months ago
fuelban
If is a military ship, there are no maritime law., it belongs to its owner. Anyway, the ship was found in spanish waters, n the operation was hidden of spanish autoirities, they already knew that it was not legal, but they already get what they wanted, the gold not declared in the research. The difference between the declared and the no declared is the odissey's profit. The trial was in USA, n Spain still won, didn't spain be right in its claims? of course yes.
David in Spain
dabit01 4 months ago
Now there are still thousand of ancient spanish vessel sinked all around the planet whith thousand of tons of gold, silver and jewlery!!!!!!! but Spain just have rights in those where there are documents of the charge in the India's Archive of Seville, and those vessels wich are military, because internacional laws recognize that a military vessel and its load belong to its true owner forever while the owner exists.
THE END
dabit01 5 months ago
@dabit01 "Maritime Law" & Law of salvage do not allow Spain or any county to claim the gold or value of any find. the finder is the keeper at sea, on land this is different, and certain finds are categorised differently ( In the UK anyway) but at sea, its maritime law that prevails... not country's laws. & "Correctly so".
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 4 months ago
@fuelban Spain and USA consider their sunken warships are and should be treated as graves of fallen in service. It is not just a plundering of our heritage, also is a desecration of graves of Spanish soldiers killed in service by Anglosaxon Pirates as Odysseis company is..
SAACAAS 2 weeks ago
@fuelban This ship was sunken in "Spanish waters" (Europe). "Golfo de Cadiz".
SAACAAS 2 weeks ago
The fact is that our government has been ineffective and lazy about this matter during to much time, and just since the Fisher's case and others like Odissey, is working on this matter properly together with the spanish navy.
For exemple, in 2007 Odyssey Marine Exploration found 17K tons of gold and silver coins and recently after a hard and long trial in Florida, the judge has ordered the devolution of the treasure to Spain.
dabit01 5 months ago
Nevertheless I must say that spaniards searched the treasure during many decades after the sinking, but they never found it and thought it was lost forever.
Spaniards don't search for ancient treasures because the laws in Spain don't allow to do business or comercialize the goods of spanish vessels. The charge belongs to Spain and treasure-researchers must bring it to the government while they recive a % compensation.
dabit01 5 months ago
2. The people who could claim for the treasure was 1)Spain, (because the gold and jewlry was extracted and manufactered in spanish lands, and because the vessel was spanish too) and 2) the Fisher family ( because they invested in the research and of course, because they found it)
The trial in USA favored Fisher's family, so they are the only owners of the treasures that they found.
.
dabit01 5 months ago
Amazing history, what and adventurer!!!
I' m sorry for his family tragedy but now they are in history books. God bless them.
I wish a life like him, although I don't become rich, just for fun and adventure.
Now ,let's see some points:
1. No country in America including those south-americans countries where the gold was extracted can claim for the treasure because in XVI century almost the whole continent was "New Spain", neither Peru neither Bolivia, Mexico, Usa existed in that age.
dabit01 5 months ago
The best part about this story is that the govt. got told to fuck off.
mrceebees14 5 months ago 7
amazing story
willemfie 5 months ago
Thank you for posting this video. Story was amazing.
MannyZtotheG 5 months ago
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and the recently discovered Inglesh ship, SS Gairsoppa's gold was stolen from the Indians but the americans will keep it! hehehe British suckers
hopes this helps the many unemployed
olg06 5 months ago
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Recently the americans (Odessey) found a British ship found off the florida keys worth 400 million (Indian loot) . 80% of it will be Americans keeps I read
olg06 5 months ago
gold is peruvian and bolivian ...
rodrogogo 5 months ago
Its sad that gold cannot buy or cheat death
TheEliminator1992 5 months ago
..hey, el tema es del oro encontrado en el Atocha, la ley del mar dice que "quien lo encuentre, es suyo", y encima de eso, esta en aguas americanas. En sur america existia una civilizacion, de indios, y "vosotros" fueron los invasores, a cuenta de que estaban descubriendo el otro lado del globo, y llegaron armados, con polvora, municiones, mataron a miles de indios, y se establecieron, el resto es historia.(hablo de sur america, de donde viene el oro)
TheGentleman4u 5 months ago
I met Mel when I was just a kid in key west.
Still know Kane to this day.
SonnyREast 6 months ago
what an amazing story....it is so incredible how humans will continue and be so tenacious when they are seduced by something...I cant help but admire fisher's determination...I am amazed he kept his wife and children on side.
He must have been an incredible man.....Even when one of his sons died he continued....I am so glad it had a happy ending. At least he didnt die in vain.
Cardywhite111 7 months ago
Well done Mr Fisher & family!!, what an experience!, everything you went thru!, my respects to you all. ...Is there more of the Atocha downthere somewhere?????!!!!!!! (anybody`s answer will be welcomed)
TheGentleman4u 7 months ago
@TheGentleman4u I hope when somebody steal something from you somebody says: "Nice job!" That is a SPANISH treasure from a SPANISH ship. Robbers, bring it back, it should be in our museums!
mbcrra 7 months ago
@mbcrra Hey, 1) lo que dices de que fue comercializado con los indijenas, lo pongo muy en duda, seguramente los esclavizaron y obligaron a buscar oro para llevarlo a Espana, 2) Espana nunca hizo nada por encontrar a el Atocha, pero ahora que lo encontro un americano, si reclaman que es suyo?? que comodos!!, y 3), "ladron que roba a ladron, tiene 100 anios de perdon!. Si eso fuera de Espana, porque estaba en el Atocha, en los cayos de Florida?? ..eso se llama "expropiar"
TheGentleman4u 7 months ago
@TheGentleman4u Hay muchos estados de USA que son Españoles y fueron "Robados". Si sois tan justos ¿porque no nos los devolveis?. Ha claro usariais la fuerza, como España cuando era un imperio. Hipocritas. Ese oro es Español porque los territorios pertenecian en ese momento a España y porque lo extrageron Españoles, fueran nativos o no. Ademas llevan un sello que pone bien clarito ha quien pertenecen.
SAACAAS 6 months ago
@TheGentleman4u ah! y por cierto a eso se le llama ser un pirata, alguien idealizado por la cultura Anglosajona, pero que no deja de ser lo mas bajo y rastrero, además de ser un ladron. No me vengas con la doble moral, porque la envidia de la Corona Britanica le hacia justificar y utilizar cualquier mala arte y cobardia, con tal de salirse con la suya. Vosotros habeis heredado esa idiologia como hijos de piratas que sois, inventando guerras y robando tierras aprovechando que nos invadio Napoleon
SAACAAS 6 months ago
@mbcrra Hay una sentencia firme sobre el "Expolio" del Galeon Español hundido en el estrecho de Gibraltar (Nuestras Aguas para colmo). ¿Sabes que fue de eso?. Supongo que pasó como con el caso "Couso". Cuando tratas con Papá USA siempre te acaba jodiendo. Y despues van de Santicos, y de que malos fuimos los Españoles, me dan ganas de pegarle un ostia$%"·$%·$%&·$&·&. Lo siento, pero es que es Indignante y estoy hasta los cojones de leer comentarios contra España, siendo siempre los más "primos"
SAACAAS 6 months ago
@mbcrra it should be in YOUR museums? really? dude, did you even watch the video? the spanish ROBBED that treasure from south america continuouslly and sent treasure ships back to spain to fund the economy ... who knows who the original owners were probebly defencless south american families .... now this family owns it and they are rich as %$&^ so don't be jealous ...
vezezu 5 months ago
The greatest treasure discovery and the many years of it's search, the perils, tragedies, perseverance, never giving up on your dreams, and the triumph of it's discovery...read "Fool's Paradise", written by Robert E. Ferguson, who participated with Mel Fisher and his team. Check out Friesen Press and also Amazon.com and learn that you can feel the fulfillment of your goals and dreams.
threetreespublishing 7 months ago
Fascinating......as a scuba diver, I can appreciate the hard work involved in searching for lost artifacts under water!
whistlewing 9 months ago
finders keepers faggot
doodz232 10 months ago
The Fisher's deserve every ounce of that gold. They dedicated their entire lives to finding it. It prob never would have been found. The gov't should GIVE them even more money for the historical benefit.
banacek8675 11 months ago
PURE PERUVIAN GOLD LEAVE THEM IN THE OCEAN OR GIVE THEM BACK TO PERU PERIOD
jillsofili1 11 months ago
@jillsofili1 Shut the fuck up, if you fucking peruvians cared that much about your gold then you shouldeve went and found it your fucking self. The fishers found it. Get the fuck over yourself.
TheCleansedRS 9 months ago
QUIERO UNA PEQUEÑA PARTE POR SER NIETO DE ESPAÑOL
nobua1000 11 months ago
@nobua1000 creo que repartir un pequeño tesoro entre varios cientos de millones de nietos de españoles no sería muy bueno xDD
Morenowez 11 months ago
@nobua1000 Así se habla, nos roban nuestros tesoros!
mbcrra 7 months ago
Amazing story.
kellycodetectors 1 year ago
Atocha Quest For Treasure a great video join Mel Fisher in his relentless search for a spanish galleon.The very best video from Roy from England.
roy4067 1 year ago
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please upload the rest of this episode thank you! im waiting everyday!
Acroniscopi 1 year ago
Awesome adventure, im glad the supreme court ruled in their favor and they kept it all. They found it and it's theirs to keep.
themailman43 1 year ago
please upload the rest of this episode thank you! im waiting everyday!
Acroniscopi 1 year ago
yep if only i could get some.lol
caribbeangirl100 1 year ago
my grandpa dove with mel
Rosey7100 1 year ago
I do have like 30 Spanish cobs
Spaniard781 1 year ago
does anybody know the name of this dvd
rsmg1 2 years ago
I went to the Keys and went to Mel's museum, and bought a genuine silver 8 piece like the one in this video around the son's neck. each piece is logged you brought it up, Mel himself brought up my coin. Its documented with papers when I bought it.
interstategar 2 years ago
God bless you and your family for your sacrafices and your success!
Great video!
Snailmailtrucker 2 years ago