Clay Shirky - Where do people find the time Part 2

[proxypylon]

What kind of jizzmonger dislikes this?

[genegenegene1]

FOUND IT!!!!

[eagles980]

Is it just me, or does this guy look like a bald Tom Hanks? Interesting topic, though.

[grantthedrummer]

I definitely enjoy being able to interact with media. But if this interaction is a meaningless commercial thing, I prefer to not interact directly with it, but instead with friends.

An interactive version of television could easily enthrall users. Unless it is able to actually facilitate meaningful interaction between users, I want nothing to do with it.

[andrewcarli92]

that might be awesome

[knetterrrr]

Old media that are polesitting will end up doing nothing else than distribution and infrastructure.

[stingyzx]

We are all producers now. Old media can plug their ears as long as they want but it's not going to change.

[smartchikchick]

That was incredible. Thanks for posting this, b/c I'm honestly sick and tired of hearing people say that they never have the time for aft, volunteering projects, research, etc, when they do and they just happen to be wasting it.

[roidroid]

@smartchikchick man i so wish that "aft, volunteering projects, research, etc," felt as fun & relaxing as how i waste time.

it'd be awesome.

and honestly, why not? why can't it be this way?

[smartchikchick]

@roidroid oh wow... that spelling mistake's been sitting here for over a year without getting corrected? Anyway... crafts, which I meant by "aft", is relaxing for me at least and I still maintain that anyone can learn something new and there's all kinds to learn. Plus, you can sell your work. Volunteering probably would be more relaxing if more people stepped up to it. For 6 months, I was the only volunteer at a public library and I had to quit because it just got to be too much for me.

[Uncompetative]

I like watching trashy TV, it gives my brain a rest.

[RachaeBossier]

@Uncompetative That's perfectly fine. But do you shake your head at people who use their time otherwise?

[Uncompetative]

@RachaeBossier Actually, I spend most of my free time involved in my hobby, which is the research, design and implementation of a new programming language which I intend to make the foundation of some Open Source Middleware for video games and multi-media development.

I could do nothing. It isn't as if I am being paid.

However, I object to Clay Shirky's implication that I shouldn't be wasting time watching TV. He is making a pretty big assumption that I haven't already worn my brain out coding

[winterwortle]

@Uncompetative I don't think he's saying that TV time is wasted. What he is saying is that if we carved out a bit of the time we set aside for such activities and pour that time and that cognitive surplus into producing, creating, and sharing, we'll be better off. Which is exactly what you're doing. He isn't advocating pulling the TV plug here, he's simply saying there's a cognitive surplus that people like you are filling with other activities as well as TV.

[roidroid]

@Uncompetative i don't want to be presumptuous here. But do you think there are other brain-resting activities you could be doing instead of watching TV?

Like playing a sport. Or giving someone a massage. Or doing art (eg: sculpture).

I just don't want people to think that TV is their only option. i fear that it seems like the only option to many, simply because - as kids - we've been conditioned to see passive TV watching as normal and healthy.

But is it?

[Uncompetative]

@roidroid Your recommendations would suit someone who:

a) Was competitive

b) Didn't mind getting sweaty*

c) Didn't mind getting oil on their hands

d) Actually knew someone who was willing to be rubbed by them

e) Hadn't already dropped out of a degree in Fine Art, hating phonies

f) Didn't already know too much Art History / Theory to be able to "just paint"

g) Wasn't the son of one of Henry Moore's assistants, see a)

*and before you constructively suggest Swimming, I hate the water

:-)

[bajawind]

watching is not doing! it is watching. experience is the only way to learn anything. everything else is just mental masterbation. wake up! LIVE!

[DrLight9]

i totally just jacked off to your comment. wooooo!

[buzzin1975]

Just because something is more interactive or participative doesn't mean it is now more meaningful. Interactive/participative TV would still be just as meaningless. The purpose of social media should be to enlighten and enliven us - the majority of social media does not do this at all.

[chroniclej]

I wish my TV did have a mouse...that would be great.

[bajawind]

it does! it's called youtube, real news, etc, cheers.

[pjbfcp]

I love the story at 7:10

[Wingmaster05]

"media thats targeted at you but doesn't include you...may NOT be worth sitting still for"

Science h. logic that is good!

[spaake]

Is it really better do do something? Why do you think that? I wish i could believe that, but our existence is so dimensional that there are always consequences to the stupidity of others.

[wrb1957]

Thanks for posting this speech!!!