The 144,000 Jewish Pastors have NOT been sealed yet. The Rapture of the Bride of Christ with the Old & New Testament Saints will happen first. The 144,000 preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, along with the 2 Witnesses (Elijah & Enoch) since the Believers are with the Lord in Heaven. To ALL Christians, Jesus tells us over and over to be READY (do NOT be living in sin) & to be watching the the "signs of the times". REPENT....Do NOT be left behind to repent during the Great Tribulation.
@Rick or anyone, how can Jesus be the High Priest:
Jer 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
Jer 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that ther
@phlyceo Actually Yahushua ha Maschiach,is the heir to Dawid's (david) throne,Acts 2:30,he is a flesh and blood descendent of Dawid.Remember Yahushua does the will of the Creator,his laws and statutes, are not his own but his Abba( father) who sent him.In ZecharYahu 6:12 ' is a prohecy concerning the mashiach in that passage it says 'behold the man whose name is the Branch,thats a prophecy of Yahushua the high priest and king of Yisra'El returning to rule it, 'joshua' Yahushua same hebrew name.
As for Dan being missing... I'm not sure. I'm not convinced by agat0r's explanation, as Judges happened long before Ezekiel - surely Ezekiel would have known what was written about Dan in Judges. I'd be fairly confident in saying the author of Revelation would have been well acquainted with the 12 tribes of Israel and who they were. The initial readers would have been familiar with the 12 tribes also. This leads me to think the omission of Dan and Ephraim is intentional.
I know that Christian gematria generally puts forward the interpretation that the number 12 either represents completeness or governmental perfection. 12 tribes, 12 Apostles, 12 foundations in heavenly Jerusalem, twelve gates, twelve pearls, twelve angels, new Jerusalem 12000 furlongs square, etc. So 12000 of 12 tribes represents the 'completeness' of the number the Almighty intends to redeem. I don't believe it refers to a literal 144000.
Yes these are good questions but it also bothers me about the 144000 number. On one hand does it mean only 144000 will make it? or does it mean 144000 special people are in the new kingdom followed by the multitude of ordinary folk?
@jolonui No because it sais when the Lord returns, will he find faith in the earth? And that we live int he most evil time of men yet never stopped following our LORD! YAH!!!!! No were not trinitarians, were not catholics, were not main stream christians, were none like the world. We follow the Lamb were ever he goes. Hes king of us who are spiritual Israel. And well never see death because we live through our Father the Slain lamb. Yeshua.
Yes, the virgins are a spiritual reference, not a sexual one. As preists, kohanim, the 144K will serve Yahuah, thus worship of false gods is committing Adultry against Him. Every time Israel drifted away from God, they were committing Adultry - the 144K wont do that, thus they are called "virgin" because of how pure the keep themselves for God alone. An example is in Ezra the foriegn wives were sent away due to worship of false gods and not turning to Yah and His ways.
The 144,000 stand with Yeshua - why? Because in Rev 14:1 he is the High Priest (Kohen haGadol) - and because like him they also entered into Yah's covenant, Ex 19:5-6. The 144.000 are priests (kohanim) . 2 Pet 2:5&9 talk of holy and royal preisthood, he refers to Ex 19:5-6 - Yahu'ahs sacred covenant - the covenant that made Yeshua a priest (Mat 3:13-17) - he was mikvah'd a priest, so will the 144,000 as they learn the truth of Yahu'ahs Torah.
maybe those virgins are good cuz they the only none fornicators lol seems like in now days every1 cheats on each other so u can say that the 144,000 didnt commit adultery .
From what I have read it does not say men or women, so it could be both. Also I think that saying they are virgins means to be pure of heart and not tainted be the world. Because in the bible it states we are his bride and he is coming back for us. When we accept Jesus he erases all sin from us. We are no longer looked upon as unclean but pure. They will be from the 12 tribes as stated in the Bible though, I think many people have jewish bloodlines and do not know it.
If you really want the truth, then google "The Bible On Trial" and find the web site listed and go there to read the awesome truth on how and when this all comes together. Dan. 2's rock cut out without hands is a NEW Kingdom of Heaven (does not have anything to do with the DNA of Isralites) that is the same as the ten virgins (Matt. 25) and the 7 churches (Rev. 2 and 3) and the 144k come out of them (Rev. 3:4) John called this group "israel" because the KOH at that time was them.
I wouldnt say that Jesus was claiming to be Yah in the passages listed by the commentator below. However one should note that the book does not claim to be written by the Apostle John Zebedee, but simply a man named John (which was a very common name). And this letter was supposedly written while he was in exile on the Island of Patmos. Was a chimpanzee his secretary? John Zebedee was illiterate (Acts 4:13) ἀγράμματοί. Something to ponder eh?
Rev 22:13 I am the Alephʼ and the Tawʼ, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
The book is false, Yahshua would not claim to be YAH.{Rev 22:16} I Yahshua have sent My messenger to witness to you these matters in the assemblies. I am the Root and the Offspring of Dawaḏ, the Bright and Morning Star. Who is the morning star? Satan. Revelations is just a remix of Daniel with a Catholic twist. Shalom
He wasnt claiming to be G-d . In the same verse he also mentions that he has been dead (something that would disqualify someone from being G-d) , Morning star was simply a title that denoted power . Lets say there is a verse taht calls jesus "wise" and then another verse says " solomon was wise " , that wouldnt mean it was saying that Jesus was solomon . Also satan is never called the morning star, it was a babylonina king and it was in reference to the kings might (at the time) ,
@pianokid100 Morning Star is also the reference to What Satan or Lucifer was I.E. the Morning Star. So If he was the morning star and jesus was then they are the same person. For it is G@D who creates Evil and good!
Prophecy has a pattern! But if all my loved brothers and little children keep rejecting the Light of the Blessed Most High in Genesis 1:3 you walk in darkness my little ones, you reject the precious corner stone, you reject the Manna, you reject the water from the rock, you desobey the WORD, thus eating the fruits of knowledge of good and evil, never reaching the the tree of life because the Flaming sword that gaurds the path to it is the same that procedes from the Mouth of YESHUA Ha MOSHIAC!
And you brother Torah, as many of our Jewish brothers should also know that all circumsized men of War, under the command (torah) of Moses, never got into the promised land, (Kingdom), but they fell asleep in the desert.
That's why desolations are predicted until the very end, (Daniel)
Just like Israel desobeyed the Word of Hashem through Moses, just to obey the "things from Egypt" like the golden calf, or meat above manna (Yeshua).
They continue doing it today against Yeshua their Messiah!
And you should also know that prophecy has a pattern! Hashem always "paints a picture" of his great works and dominion over the generations! Millions have seen the twin tower attacks, (that represented the world economy), on setember 2001 crash to the ground. So 7 years later exactly at Rosh Hashanah in setember 2008 the world economy crashes to the ground! (never to be rebuild) Still many are blind! If you knew this, you would know that NT Yeshua is the Messiah and is in Genesis 1:3 (The Alpha)
As to the 144,000 it is still in the near future to know about it, but this situation happened in the past of Israel/Jerusalem, read Ezekiel 9
As to the "virgins", don't you know by now that a Woman means church or religion? It means that these are men of faith, not tradition, observing many laws or precepts upon precepts, they know the Word of Hashem and havent defiled themselves with "women" but obey and love His commandments, having the faith of Yeshua the Jewish Messiah, even unto death!
The book of revelations is true and faithful! This book is very simbolic, as it figures the service in the temple with the High Priest (Yeshua) opening the scrool and reading the Law, with all the Levitical priests (angels) taking care of the insense, veils, bowls, shofars, harps, etc. I can tell you that we are in the opening of the seals, Obama being the white horse, next coming the red horse meaning war! Iran can be the 1 that has the "great sword" that begins it, lets wait
As far as the "virgin" question is concerned, i did a word search and have found numerous references in the prophets YeshaYahu, YermeYahu and very importantly in the book of Lamentations which reflects the destruction of Yerushalayim and the captivity of Yahudah. Interestingly, the verses refer to virgin Yisrael not as a sexual virgin (whether male or female), but a virgin who has fallen because of not keeping the Torah of Abba YHWH. So i leave it to your wisdom to evaluate the case.
Fact: it is impossible for a "virgin" to be sexually defiled. To state one is a virgin is akin to stating one is "circumcized" - both make indirect statements of faith by virtue (no pun) of the motives underlying these condition. Seems pretty straight-forward. If others want to chooses celibacy based on some other conviction then so be it.
144,000 are those martyred through the ages since the first seal was opened by Yashohua that have been redeemed from among men.
Paul, Peter, etc Israelites, undefiled priests martyred for Christ and kept Gods Commnandments.
Representatives in the 7 church ages. We are now in the church age of Laodicea, some like these will also be taken to make their robes white and be martyred. Only these 144,00 will serve in Yashohuas goverment prophecised by Isaiah in His 1000 year reign.
At some point in the Tribulation, He sets aside 144,000 young Jewish men for His purposes, sealing them, that is, placing the mark of his ownership upon them. John witnessed their selection and sealing.
Its amazing how many groups have come out and declared that they were these 144,000 servants of God. Never mind what scripture says; being singled out like that has a nice ring to it, dont you think? But as long as youre sealed by God, you cannot die. When the first Jehovahs Witness died, he proved that their claim to this special prophetic anointing was a lie.
I dont know how Yahuweh could have made it any clearer: these are all Jews (or more correctly, Israelites) 12,000 each from twelve tribes of Israel. It doesnt really matter if the participants know what tribe theyre from, although at some level, the record is written in their DNA. God knows who they are.
The list of tribes is a little strange. If you recall, Jacob/Israel had twelve sons, but one of them, Joseph, received a double portion of the inheritance.
Josephs tribe was therefore split in two and named after his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. That made, for all intents and purposes, thirteen tribes; but then the tribe of Levi (Moses tribe) was set apart as being Yahuwehs (that is, God claimed all the firstborn of Israel, man and beast alike, but He chose to substitute the tribe of Levi for the firstborn of all the tribes—Numbers 3:12-13).
So what do we see in Johns list of twelve? Theres no Ephraim, but there is a tribe of Joseph, so with Manasseh in the list their double portion remains. Levi is in the list. The tribe thats missing is Dan. Are the Danites extinct by the time the prophecies of Revelation get fulfilled? No: we learn from the millennial geography lessons of Ezekiel 48 that Dan is still around—all of the tribes are.
So what heinous crime did the Danites commit that got them aced out of the list? Bad things can be traced back to virtually every tribe—even Judah, Yahushuas tribe. But if we look for what sets Dan apart from the other tribes, we soon discover a rebellious streak a mile wide. Perhaps the most famous Danite was Samson, who, like the 144,000, was gifted and set apart for Gods purposes.
But Samson wasnt known for his sensitivity to the leading of Yahuweh—he was known for his headstrong and self-centered misuse of Gods gifts, an insubordinate nature that killed him in the end. Dan was the one tribe who, after being allotted their territory in Canaan, along the coast just north of Judah, decided after a time that the competition was too tough for them. So they sent spies to the far north, found a poorly defended city (Laish), invaded it, and renamed it Dan.
At the same time they showed a remarkable lack of loyalty to Yahuweh, embracing the idolatry of the area as soon as they arrived—and holding on to it for centuries until they were swept away by the Assyrians. The whole sordid affair is recorded in Judges 18. The Danites proved that they couldnt be trusted with the oracles of Yahuweh. Perhaps thats why He chose not to let them participate at the end, when refusal to compromise with the world would become the greatest of virtues.
That book is really the mystery and who know who is that John because John the apostle certainly was not the writer of that book, he was already dead. I think that whole Story in that book is nothing but the Fiction something like X-files, showing that Creator is Hitler or idi amin who burn people in lake of fire.
Shalom, and very good video like also the questions :)
A friend of mine has the Jewish NT commentary. I'll have to ask him what it says on these texts. I'll also check out that forum (didn't even know there was one).
Interesting points. Yes, we definitely need to consider what the original audience would have made of this. Then that leads on to another question - who was the original audience? Was it Israelites living in the holy land, or was it Gentiles living in Asia minor (as suggested by the opening chapters).
BTW, I was always a solid premillennialist though a post-trib one (i.e. not the Hal Lindsay variety).
@Torahrevival The original audience is a great place to start. Since John leans heavily on Daniel and Ezekiel, those in the seven churches must have been Jewish believers, along with gentiles. The 144,000 were first century Jews, commonly referred to as the firstfruits or the remnant. This group included Paul (Rom 8:23), and James (James 1:18). They were marked with a seal (Eph 1:13; Rev 7:4). There will never be another time that there can be "firstfruits."
well, i guess a question for you would be, is how would the original readers of revelation understand the 144,000? as you know, context- both historical and linguistic is the only real way to interpret scripture. forget all the "left behind" hog wash. the grasshoppers are not helicopters, etc, but everything in that book was written to people who would of instantly understood it.
The 144,000 Jewish Pastors have NOT been sealed yet. The Rapture of the Bride of Christ with the Old & New Testament Saints will happen first. The 144,000 preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, along with the 2 Witnesses (Elijah & Enoch) since the Believers are with the Lord in Heaven. To ALL Christians, Jesus tells us over and over to be READY (do NOT be living in sin) & to be watching the the "signs of the times". REPENT....Do NOT be left behind to repent during the Great Tribulation.
JesusHoldMyHand1 3 months ago
@Rick or anyone, how can Jesus be the High Priest:
Jer 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
Jer 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that ther
phlyceo 11 months ago
@phlyceo Actually Yahushua ha Maschiach,is the heir to Dawid's (david) throne,Acts 2:30,he is a flesh and blood descendent of Dawid.Remember Yahushua does the will of the Creator,his laws and statutes, are not his own but his Abba( father) who sent him.In ZecharYahu 6:12 ' is a prohecy concerning the mashiach in that passage it says 'behold the man whose name is the Branch,thats a prophecy of Yahushua the high priest and king of Yisra'El returning to rule it, 'joshua' Yahushua same hebrew name.
streakz1231 11 months ago
But! verse 4 reads "144000 sealed from EVERY tribe of the sons of Israel" so...
daniellachlanclark 2 years ago
As for Dan being missing... I'm not sure. I'm not convinced by agat0r's explanation, as Judges happened long before Ezekiel - surely Ezekiel would have known what was written about Dan in Judges. I'd be fairly confident in saying the author of Revelation would have been well acquainted with the 12 tribes of Israel and who they were. The initial readers would have been familiar with the 12 tribes also. This leads me to think the omission of Dan and Ephraim is intentional.
daniellachlanclark 2 years ago
@daniellachlanclark Ephraim and Joseph is the same thing
jatamode 11 months ago
I know that Christian gematria generally puts forward the interpretation that the number 12 either represents completeness or governmental perfection. 12 tribes, 12 Apostles, 12 foundations in heavenly Jerusalem, twelve gates, twelve pearls, twelve angels, new Jerusalem 12000 furlongs square, etc. So 12000 of 12 tribes represents the 'completeness' of the number the Almighty intends to redeem. I don't believe it refers to a literal 144000.
daniellachlanclark 2 years ago
Yes these are good questions but it also bothers me about the 144000 number. On one hand does it mean only 144000 will make it? or does it mean 144000 special people are in the new kingdom followed by the multitude of ordinary folk?
jolonui 2 years ago
@jolonui No because it sais when the Lord returns, will he find faith in the earth? And that we live int he most evil time of men yet never stopped following our LORD! YAH!!!!! No were not trinitarians, were not catholics, were not main stream christians, were none like the world. We follow the Lamb were ever he goes. Hes king of us who are spiritual Israel. And well never see death because we live through our Father the Slain lamb. Yeshua.
jathomas901 10 months ago
Yes, the virgins are a spiritual reference, not a sexual one. As preists, kohanim, the 144K will serve Yahuah, thus worship of false gods is committing Adultry against Him. Every time Israel drifted away from God, they were committing Adultry - the 144K wont do that, thus they are called "virgin" because of how pure the keep themselves for God alone. An example is in Ezra the foriegn wives were sent away due to worship of false gods and not turning to Yah and His ways.
rickbgp38 2 years ago
The 144,000 stand with Yeshua - why? Because in Rev 14:1 he is the High Priest (Kohen haGadol) - and because like him they also entered into Yah's covenant, Ex 19:5-6. The 144.000 are priests (kohanim) . 2 Pet 2:5&9 talk of holy and royal preisthood, he refers to Ex 19:5-6 - Yahu'ahs sacred covenant - the covenant that made Yeshua a priest (Mat 3:13-17) - he was mikvah'd a priest, so will the 144,000 as they learn the truth of Yahu'ahs Torah.
rickbgp38 2 years ago
maybe those virgins are good cuz they the only none fornicators lol seems like in now days every1 cheats on each other so u can say that the 144,000 didnt commit adultery .
TheBestEVER4LIFE 2 years ago
you gotta start putting the name of the songs you use and the artist names in the video info box .
pianokid100 2 years ago
From what I have read it does not say men or women, so it could be both. Also I think that saying they are virgins means to be pure of heart and not tainted be the world. Because in the bible it states we are his bride and he is coming back for us. When we accept Jesus he erases all sin from us. We are no longer looked upon as unclean but pure. They will be from the 12 tribes as stated in the Bible though, I think many people have jewish bloodlines and do not know it.
Ccdarling30 2 years ago
you ask good questions ?brother.
drnhawkins 2 years ago
If you really want the truth, then google "The Bible On Trial" and find the web site listed and go there to read the awesome truth on how and when this all comes together. Dan. 2's rock cut out without hands is a NEW Kingdom of Heaven (does not have anything to do with the DNA of Isralites) that is the same as the ten virgins (Matt. 25) and the 7 churches (Rev. 2 and 3) and the 144k come out of them (Rev. 3:4) John called this group "israel" because the KOH at that time was them.
thehuncher 3 years ago
144,000 is a cryptic number
666 doesn't mean satan's army is 666 strong
6 is the number of man self worshiping
144,000 is a numerical reference that spells out Adam in the Hebrew language
the 144,000 are the men and women that have returned to the innocence of Adam before he ate the apple
angles are coming to probe your heart to determine who has prepared themselves for this moment
it has always been about going home, the 144,000 will be the ones ready to go home.
godscuttingyoudown 3 years ago
I wouldnt say that Jesus was claiming to be Yah in the passages listed by the commentator below. However one should note that the book does not claim to be written by the Apostle John Zebedee, but simply a man named John (which was a very common name). And this letter was supposedly written while he was in exile on the Island of Patmos. Was a chimpanzee his secretary? John Zebedee was illiterate (Acts 4:13) ἀγράμματοί. Something to ponder eh?
YahoshuaMyLord 3 years ago
Rev 22:13 I am the Alephʼ and the Tawʼ, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
The book is false, Yahshua would not claim to be YAH.{Rev 22:16} I Yahshua have sent My messenger to witness to you these matters in the assemblies. I am the Root and the Offspring of Dawaḏ, the Bright and Morning Star. Who is the morning star? Satan. Revelations is just a remix of Daniel with a Catholic twist. Shalom
slim29205 3 years ago
He wasnt claiming to be G-d . In the same verse he also mentions that he has been dead (something that would disqualify someone from being G-d) , Morning star was simply a title that denoted power . Lets say there is a verse taht calls jesus "wise" and then another verse says " solomon was wise " , that wouldnt mean it was saying that Jesus was solomon . Also satan is never called the morning star, it was a babylonina king and it was in reference to the kings might (at the time) ,
pianokid100 2 years ago
@pianokid100 Morning Star is also the reference to What Satan or Lucifer was I.E. the Morning Star. So If he was the morning star and jesus was then they are the same person. For it is G@D who creates Evil and good!
TheSpasticpunk 11 months ago
Prophecy has a pattern! But if all my loved brothers and little children keep rejecting the Light of the Blessed Most High in Genesis 1:3 you walk in darkness my little ones, you reject the precious corner stone, you reject the Manna, you reject the water from the rock, you desobey the WORD, thus eating the fruits of knowledge of good and evil, never reaching the the tree of life because the Flaming sword that gaurds the path to it is the same that procedes from the Mouth of YESHUA Ha MOSHIAC!
LipasBrg 3 years ago
And you brother Torah, as many of our Jewish brothers should also know that all circumsized men of War, under the command (torah) of Moses, never got into the promised land, (Kingdom), but they fell asleep in the desert.
That's why desolations are predicted until the very end, (Daniel)
Just like Israel desobeyed the Word of Hashem through Moses, just to obey the "things from Egypt" like the golden calf, or meat above manna (Yeshua).
They continue doing it today against Yeshua their Messiah!
LipasBrg 3 years ago
And you should also know that prophecy has a pattern! Hashem always "paints a picture" of his great works and dominion over the generations! Millions have seen the twin tower attacks, (that represented the world economy), on setember 2001 crash to the ground. So 7 years later exactly at Rosh Hashanah in setember 2008 the world economy crashes to the ground! (never to be rebuild) Still many are blind! If you knew this, you would know that NT Yeshua is the Messiah and is in Genesis 1:3 (The Alpha)
LipasBrg 3 years ago
As to the 144,000 it is still in the near future to know about it, but this situation happened in the past of Israel/Jerusalem, read Ezekiel 9
As to the "virgins", don't you know by now that a Woman means church or religion? It means that these are men of faith, not tradition, observing many laws or precepts upon precepts, they know the Word of Hashem and havent defiled themselves with "women" but obey and love His commandments, having the faith of Yeshua the Jewish Messiah, even unto death!
LipasBrg 3 years ago
Shalom Brothers
The book of revelations is true and faithful! This book is very simbolic, as it figures the service in the temple with the High Priest (Yeshua) opening the scrool and reading the Law, with all the Levitical priests (angels) taking care of the insense, veils, bowls, shofars, harps, etc. I can tell you that we are in the opening of the seals, Obama being the white horse, next coming the red horse meaning war! Iran can be the 1 that has the "great sword" that begins it, lets wait
LipasBrg 3 years ago
Shalom,
As far as the "virgin" question is concerned, i did a word search and have found numerous references in the prophets YeshaYahu, YermeYahu and very importantly in the book of Lamentations which reflects the destruction of Yerushalayim and the captivity of Yahudah. Interestingly, the verses refer to virgin Yisrael not as a sexual virgin (whether male or female), but a virgin who has fallen because of not keeping the Torah of Abba YHWH. So i leave it to your wisdom to evaluate the case.
truthseekerisfree 3 years ago
Fact: it is impossible for a "virgin" to be sexually defiled. To state one is a virgin is akin to stating one is "circumcized" - both make indirect statements of faith by virtue (no pun) of the motives underlying these condition. Seems pretty straight-forward. If others want to chooses celibacy based on some other conviction then so be it.
torahislife 3 years ago
Artist and song name please. Shalom.
ministerabdallah 3 years ago
Group called Culture (classic seventies reggae vocal trio) - tune called Behold.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
144,000 are those martyred through the ages since the first seal was opened by Yashohua that have been redeemed from among men.
Paul, Peter, etc Israelites, undefiled priests martyred for Christ and kept Gods Commnandments.
Representatives in the 7 church ages. We are now in the church age of Laodicea, some like these will also be taken to make their robes white and be martyred. Only these 144,00 will serve in Yashohuas goverment prophecised by Isaiah in His 1000 year reign.
infamos 3 years ago
At some point in the Tribulation, He sets aside 144,000 young Jewish men for His purposes, sealing them, that is, placing the mark of his ownership upon them. John witnessed their selection and sealing.
agat0r 3 years ago
Its amazing how many groups have come out and declared that they were these 144,000 servants of God. Never mind what scripture says; being singled out like that has a nice ring to it, dont you think? But as long as youre sealed by God, you cannot die. When the first Jehovahs Witness died, he proved that their claim to this special prophetic anointing was a lie.
agat0r 3 years ago
I dont know how Yahuweh could have made it any clearer: these are all Jews (or more correctly, Israelites) 12,000 each from twelve tribes of Israel. It doesnt really matter if the participants know what tribe theyre from, although at some level, the record is written in their DNA. God knows who they are.
The list of tribes is a little strange. If you recall, Jacob/Israel had twelve sons, but one of them, Joseph, received a double portion of the inheritance.
agat0r 3 years ago
Josephs tribe was therefore split in two and named after his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. That made, for all intents and purposes, thirteen tribes; but then the tribe of Levi (Moses tribe) was set apart as being Yahuwehs (that is, God claimed all the firstborn of Israel, man and beast alike, but He chose to substitute the tribe of Levi for the firstborn of all the tribes—Numbers 3:12-13).
agat0r 3 years ago
So what do we see in Johns list of twelve? Theres no Ephraim, but there is a tribe of Joseph, so with Manasseh in the list their double portion remains. Levi is in the list. The tribe thats missing is Dan. Are the Danites extinct by the time the prophecies of Revelation get fulfilled? No: we learn from the millennial geography lessons of Ezekiel 48 that Dan is still around—all of the tribes are.
agat0r 3 years ago
So what heinous crime did the Danites commit that got them aced out of the list? Bad things can be traced back to virtually every tribe—even Judah, Yahushuas tribe. But if we look for what sets Dan apart from the other tribes, we soon discover a rebellious streak a mile wide. Perhaps the most famous Danite was Samson, who, like the 144,000, was gifted and set apart for Gods purposes.
agat0r 3 years ago
But Samson wasnt known for his sensitivity to the leading of Yahuweh—he was known for his headstrong and self-centered misuse of Gods gifts, an insubordinate nature that killed him in the end. Dan was the one tribe who, after being allotted their territory in Canaan, along the coast just north of Judah, decided after a time that the competition was too tough for them. So they sent spies to the far north, found a poorly defended city (Laish), invaded it, and renamed it Dan.
agat0r 3 years ago
At the same time they showed a remarkable lack of loyalty to Yahuweh, embracing the idolatry of the area as soon as they arrived—and holding on to it for centuries until they were swept away by the Assyrians. The whole sordid affair is recorded in Judges 18. The Danites proved that they couldnt be trusted with the oracles of Yahuweh. Perhaps thats why He chose not to let them participate at the end, when refusal to compromise with the world would become the greatest of virtues.
agat0r 3 years ago
My, what a long memory You have Father!
agat0r 3 years ago
"being singled out like that has a nice ring to it, dont you think?" Lol! Good one!
Thanks for giving your angle on the Dan issue.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
You bet, brother. You know I love your videos-they usually get ya thinking. Thanks for them.
agat0r 3 years ago
That book is really the mystery and who know who is that John because John the apostle certainly was not the writer of that book, he was already dead. I think that whole Story in that book is nothing but the Fiction something like X-files, showing that Creator is Hitler or idi amin who burn people in lake of fire.
Shalom, and very good video like also the questions :)
bojann79 3 years ago
A friend of mine has the Jewish NT commentary. I'll have to ask him what it says on these texts. I'll also check out that forum (didn't even know there was one).
Torahrevival 3 years ago
course bear in mind that i always thought that premilienl/post milleneal theology was load of crap (I was amillineal/covenantal)
medievalman86 3 years ago
Interesting points. Yes, we definitely need to consider what the original audience would have made of this. Then that leads on to another question - who was the original audience? Was it Israelites living in the holy land, or was it Gentiles living in Asia minor (as suggested by the opening chapters).
BTW, I was always a solid premillennialist though a post-trib one (i.e. not the Hal Lindsay variety).
Torahrevival 3 years ago
well see, now we dont have anything to argue about :P I dont believe in the NT, and you dont :)
personally, I tend to think its the gentiles in asia minor.
medievalman86 3 years ago
@Torahrevival The original audience is a great place to start. Since John leans heavily on Daniel and Ezekiel, those in the seven churches must have been Jewish believers, along with gentiles. The 144,000 were first century Jews, commonly referred to as the firstfruits or the remnant. This group included Paul (Rom 8:23), and James (James 1:18). They were marked with a seal (Eph 1:13; Rev 7:4). There will never be another time that there can be "firstfruits."
promisesrkept 7 months ago
well, i guess a question for you would be, is how would the original readers of revelation understand the 144,000? as you know, context- both historical and linguistic is the only real way to interpret scripture. forget all the "left behind" hog wash. the grasshoppers are not helicopters, etc, but everything in that book was written to people who would of instantly understood it.
medievalman86 3 years ago
good video !
pianokid100 3 years ago