So - they screwed up the landing and decided to further wreck the airframe lifting it up improperly. Look at the buckling in the fuselage forward of the bulkhead. Poor Mooney.
I suppose you're right; with no gear down it was the world's record for the lowest landing altitude. However it's not the lowest crash landing. There was an incident where a military aircraft crashed into the dead-sea, which is few feet lower.
There but for the grace of god. My mooney has electric gear. It has a red light on the dash, a green bar in a window between the seats, and a headset scree below 16". Also, it's tough to slow up without the gear down, flies totally different. I keep wondering how anything like this could happen, but then, don't want to call anyone stupid who does stuff like this, could jinx myself!
This happens more often than you would think. I have often found myself shuddering at the thought of a gear-up landing so I always use checklists and actually reach for each and every control or switch and say out loud - CHECK! Mooney's are fast as heck though and make the pattern very small.
@capnsean520 , Do you mund NOT being so offencive to other nations, believe it or not americans are one of the most hated peoples in the world right now, mainly for being stuck-up like your self and thinking THE WHOLE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND YOU, it doesn't.
Whether there is a stall warning or not, its imperrative to go thro the routine vital actions prior to landing. Looked like a lovely aircraft too. Shame to unnecessarily damage such a nice piece of machinery. At leasrt if it had been a gear issue you could have saved the engine from being shock loaded by the powered prop strike
You don't know that the pilot was at fault in this situation. Dukes shiped a bunch of bad actuator gears awhile back and as a result, we all have to have the gears inspected and relubed regularly by AD. Not sure if this country this pilot was flying in requires US AD's to be complied with.
My error...right seat...not left. The cars comment was directed at passengers/copilots in the right seat...not PICs. You're absolutely correct.
Congratulations on your CFII, I mean it. I graduated from one of the top flight schools in the nation many years ago. But I'm not sure what your point is?
If the HORN is BLARING during SHORT FINAL and you IGNORE it and land you have NO BUSINESS FLYING "Slam-Dunk Approach" or not; and if you do fly you SHOULD NEVER CARRY PASSENGERS...because who's to say you won't ignore that other horn on SHORT FINAL...THE STALL WARNING HORN. And that my friend could easily be fatal.
I"m not sure if you have a lot of time in these airplanes. The stall horn and the gear horn can be very difficult to distinguish. In GA playing its common and expected to get the stall horn in the flare (which can sound like a gear horn). In anycase, I've never landed gear up but its something I think about every flight.
Robert get an Extra 300 (problem solved) Had a K model, the most expensive piece of shit I have owned. The only recip I ever owned that cost more to fly than our Corp. Falcon 10. I loved the M20C model fast for what it was and mostly idiot proof. Just remember when the handle is up the gear is down (I think)
Heheh. You may be right. I've replaced the gear horn on my Mooney 3 times now. You'd think it wouldn't be rocket science to design a horn that goes "beep beep beep".
Distractions do happen, you are correct...and nobody is perfect...in fact the minute you think you are...well, that's when accidents happen, right. But I maintain that if you are trained properly...and one aspect of this means maintaining a sterile cockpit whenever you leave cruise...and you follow your checklist this simply shouldn't happen unless there is a mechanical malfunction or an emergency.
I also maintain that people have no business being weekend pilots. Either you fly often or you shouldn't fly at all.
How many airline pilots have landed with their gear retracted - excluding gear malfunction - over the last ten years? I've never heard of it happening...not once...so if it has it has occurred rarely.
You can't compare the gear warning system on an Airbus with that on a Cessna 210. I have no doubt that we would have gear up accidents almost daily in the airlines if they didn't have smart gear warning systems. On my aircraft the warning comes on anytime I move the throttle back to a certain position. Since I fly a very slick airplane I have the gear warning going off during any slam-dunk approach. Besides, the odds of being hurt in a gear up accident are almost zero; we should worry about othe
The reason they don't land with the gear retracted...they fly often and they follow checklists...and yes they have at least two brains in the cockpit...so bring a friend...the life you save may be your own.
It happens too often. I trained in an M20J for my commercial ticket. There is a loud warning horn when you reduce power and the gear is retracted as many of you have said.
Something else not mentioned is that with the gear retracted this baby is fast. Any competent pilot would recognize the increased speed at relative angle of attack and know that something was amiss.
Yet every day pilots with more experience than you and I combined forget to lower the gear. I don't think we can rest on the assertion that "Any competent pilot would recognize" that the gear is up.
So let's make a deal my friend and perhaps others will follow our lead...if one of us happens to be sitting in that left seat we'll pay attention to the job at hand and not stare out the window at all of the little cars down below.
Additionally, if you (not you Mr. Gary) are flying an aircraft equipped with retractable gear then please have a gear-warning horn installed if the aircraft is not equipped. And if there is no stall-warning horn installed...then I wouldn't be caught DEAD flying it.
Yes mistakes happen...and most often to the cavalier. So if you are prone to ignoring WARNING HORNS please don't become an airline pilot...I'd rather not trust my family's safety to someone so inclined.
All retractiable aircraft certified by the FAA or JAA have a gear warning system. Usually its a horn that is attached to the throttle. It goes off when you pull the throttle back.
As a pilot you pay attention to these warnings or you end up dead...fixate on the outside picture on approach and forget your T-scan...and ignore the stall warning horn and they'll be picking you out of the instrument panel.
Now having said that...we don't know the circumstances. Perhaps both electric and manual gear extension was not possible.
I never used to comprehend how anyone who was smart enough to get a pilot's license could forget to extend the gear. If you look through Trade A Plane at used retractable planes, a high percentage have landed this way, mostly NOT due to mechanical failures, but rather absent-minded pilots. No wonder Cirrus decided to use fixed gear only. Pilots who forget to extend the gear are probably dangerous pilots in other ways due to the other things they most certainly forget, like enough fuel, etc..
I beleive he went around raising the gear, got used to the alert sound and then on 2nd final hasn't checked the wheels again. The plane is fully recovered and looks like new now. I suppose the engine is now new as well.
@ErezMiller This happened to the previous owner of my '78 20J. Made a missed approach at night, put the gear up and then forgot to put the gear back down on the second landing attempt. It's unfortunate I bought the plane with new engine, prop and paint and it flies great.
Even if the gear up landing was intentional (i.e. the new that the gear didn't go down), turning the engine off on final in that case is a no-no. It's called turning one emergency into two emergencies.
I could not agree with you more. There is another video on youtube where the pilot shuts the plane down and everyone praises his for saving the engine. I say sell the engine to the insurance company and be prepared for the go around if nessasary.
obviously these guys didn't know #$%@ about recovering a disabled airplane. never pick it up by the fuslage unless it's totalled. always pick up by the wings next to the fuslage attach bolts, and run support to the prop/crankshaft. the wing spar is always the strongest part of an airplane. way to ruin a nice airplane. too bad for the owner. the pilot should have known better if he was any kind of a pilot at all. i.e weight and balance
The only time recovery guys care about the plane is if its off the runway. Even in the U.S. its not uncommon for airport managers to have a tractor to shove a disabled plane off the runway. Its the runway that's important, they don't give a crap about the airplane.
dumbass, its Hebrew. It sounds NOTHING like Spanish... AND, if you looked at the tail number, and you knew anything about airplanes, youd know it wasnt registered in Mexico (from the "pot" reference) or any other Spanish speaking nation. 4X is an Isreal registry prefix.
dumbass, I understood your pitiful ATTEMPT at humor. Age has little to do with this, as Ive seen 8 years old kids who have more wit than you. By the way, your last comment DID make me chuckle. A poor attempt at redeeming your foolish statement. Your time is better spent in school, and my time is better spent not responding to morons.
Has anyone noticed that this poor sob cannot say anything without adding in an insult? it shows a lack of confidence and poor debate skills. instead of attacking the issue, you attack me. even if you feel good about yourself after doing it, it makes you look stupid to everyone else. i win GG and if you reply you are contridicting your previous insult errrr statement.
The engine has to go out for a tear down and inspection and will fly again. Mooney's have motor and drive tubes to raise and lower the gear, the gear locks down over center.
Once the prop strikes the ground thats it, its time for a new engine. The prop strike would damage the crankshaft. I dont know what the undercarriage system is on the Mooney but it might have been an uplock malfunction or a hydraulic failure.
The prop strike *could* damage the crank. In most cases (in the U.S.) we send the props out for inspection and then put them right back on. No hydraulics on the Mooney. However, there has been frequent ADs on the actuator. If that jams nothing is going to come down. The solution is just to inspect it per the AD. Not sure what they do in "4X" country though.
Until the day I lose my medical, I'm not going to say anything about people who land gear up, its bad mojo. I just hope its not me one day. What country is 4x? BTW: The Mooney gear takes about 3 seconds to extend, not much chance of it taking too long (Bonanza is about 30 seconds)
4x is an Israeli tail number if I'm not mistaken. Given the general disorder of things in the middle east, it wouldn't surprise me if they DO have someone beat out that prop.
My old 64"P" model did it in 9 sec. (and never failed) Where did you get your numbers? I liked the old 20 series manual gear (no body to blame on that gear failure)
Having said that I once spent 30 sec looking for the gear lever in a Cessna 185 (never did find it)
I wonder what were the circumstances... looks like they were partially extended. Maybe the pilot tried to kick them down too late without a go-around, or perhaps system failure? But seing how they lifted it with such narrow straps and crinkled the fuselage, they probably pried the gear down and sat 'er back on the ground. Engine teardown? I wonder if it'll even get new prop. They'll probably just straighten that on out with a hammer.
So - they screwed up the landing and decided to further wreck the airframe lifting it up improperly. Look at the buckling in the fuselage forward of the bulkhead. Poor Mooney.
PA46TP 1 month ago
poor mooney
Maxim499 6 months ago
no guys that is the wrong way to get it back into the air hahahahaha!
rubicon31 8 months ago
How could a pilot raise the gear then forget to put it back down again? Is it that difficult to check to see if it's down?
bg11215 8 months ago
Speed brakes, I mean?
Coderoid 11 months ago
What happened - were the air brakes on?
Coderoid 11 months ago
I suppose you're right; with no gear down it was the world's record for the lowest landing altitude. However it's not the lowest crash landing. There was an incident where a military aircraft crashed into the dead-sea, which is few feet lower.
ErezMiller 1 year ago
that's why you have to do your prelanding check list off of the list and never by memory.
quentin3434 1 year ago
You scratched the aircraft. Lucky some musulim didnt attack you.
24preacherboy 1 year ago
tunic ren
UtRadioGuy 1 year ago
Every pilot's worst nightmare....
Gloriamagnificens 1 year ago
There but for the grace of god. My mooney has electric gear. It has a red light on the dash, a green bar in a window between the seats, and a headset scree below 16". Also, it's tough to slow up without the gear down, flies totally different. I keep wondering how anything like this could happen, but then, don't want to call anyone stupid who does stuff like this, could jinx myself!
Scott6113 1 year ago
This happens more often than you would think. I have often found myself shuddering at the thought of a gear-up landing so I always use checklists and actually reach for each and every control or switch and say out loud - CHECK! Mooney's are fast as heck though and make the pattern very small.
RCShadow 1 year ago
That's a foreign pilot for ya... Poor American airplane, though.
capnsean520 2 years ago
@capnsean520 , Do you mund NOT being so offencive to other nations, believe it or not americans are one of the most hated peoples in the world right now, mainly for being stuck-up like your self and thinking THE WHOLE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND YOU, it doesn't.
thedoctorwho1 2 years ago
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quieturmuzzle 7 months ago
My version was:
G= Gas
U= Undercarriage
M= Mixtures
P= Props
S= Seat belts
L= landing lights
F= Fuel pumps
logolight 2 years ago
Updated GUMPS pre-landing mnemonic:
G = Gas, or GEAR
U = Undercarriage, meaning GEAR
M = Maybe I should check the GEAR again
P = Perhaps I forgot the GEAR
S = Say, did I check the GEAR?
BigDTexas 2 years ago
Whether there is a stall warning or not, its imperrative to go thro the routine vital actions prior to landing. Looked like a lovely aircraft too. Shame to unnecessarily damage such a nice piece of machinery. At leasrt if it had been a gear issue you could have saved the engine from being shock loaded by the powered prop strike
debiassi 3 years ago
You don't know that the pilot was at fault in this situation. Dukes shiped a bunch of bad actuator gears awhile back and as a result, we all have to have the gears inspected and relubed regularly by AD. Not sure if this country this pilot was flying in requires US AD's to be complied with.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
This is an "R" Model and does not use a Dukes or ITT actuator, thus the gears you mention are of no consequence in this case.
topmenace 2 years ago
They say there are three kinds of retractable gear pilots...those who have landed gear-up, those who will, and those who will again.
joshwfxy 3 years ago
My error...right seat...not left. The cars comment was directed at passengers/copilots in the right seat...not PICs. You're absolutely correct.
Congratulations on your CFII, I mean it. I graduated from one of the top flight schools in the nation many years ago. But I'm not sure what your point is?
ecirphr 3 years ago
If the HORN is BLARING during SHORT FINAL and you IGNORE it and land you have NO BUSINESS FLYING "Slam-Dunk Approach" or not; and if you do fly you SHOULD NEVER CARRY PASSENGERS...because who's to say you won't ignore that other horn on SHORT FINAL...THE STALL WARNING HORN. And that my friend could easily be fatal.
ecirphr 3 years ago
I"m not sure if you have a lot of time in these airplanes. The stall horn and the gear horn can be very difficult to distinguish. In GA playing its common and expected to get the stall horn in the flare (which can sound like a gear horn). In anycase, I've never landed gear up but its something I think about every flight.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
Robert get an Extra 300 (problem solved) Had a K model, the most expensive piece of shit I have owned. The only recip I ever owned that cost more to fly than our Corp. Falcon 10. I loved the M20C model fast for what it was and mostly idiot proof. Just remember when the handle is up the gear is down (I think)
wavefool 2 years ago
Heheh. You may be right. I've replaced the gear horn on my Mooney 3 times now. You'd think it wouldn't be rocket science to design a horn that goes "beep beep beep".
RobertGary1 2 years ago
Distractions do happen, you are correct...and nobody is perfect...in fact the minute you think you are...well, that's when accidents happen, right. But I maintain that if you are trained properly...and one aspect of this means maintaining a sterile cockpit whenever you leave cruise...and you follow your checklist this simply shouldn't happen unless there is a mechanical malfunction or an emergency.
ecirphr 3 years ago
I also maintain that people have no business being weekend pilots. Either you fly often or you shouldn't fly at all.
How many airline pilots have landed with their gear retracted - excluding gear malfunction - over the last ten years? I've never heard of it happening...not once...so if it has it has occurred rarely.
ecirphr 3 years ago
You can't compare the gear warning system on an Airbus with that on a Cessna 210. I have no doubt that we would have gear up accidents almost daily in the airlines if they didn't have smart gear warning systems. On my aircraft the warning comes on anytime I move the throttle back to a certain position. Since I fly a very slick airplane I have the gear warning going off during any slam-dunk approach. Besides, the odds of being hurt in a gear up accident are almost zero; we should worry about othe
RobertGary1 3 years ago
The reason they don't land with the gear retracted...they fly often and they follow checklists...and yes they have at least two brains in the cockpit...so bring a friend...the life you save may be your own.
ecirphr 3 years ago
It happens too often. I trained in an M20J for my commercial ticket. There is a loud warning horn when you reduce power and the gear is retracted as many of you have said.
Something else not mentioned is that with the gear retracted this baby is fast. Any competent pilot would recognize the increased speed at relative angle of attack and know that something was amiss.
ecirphr 3 years ago
Yet every day pilots with more experience than you and I combined forget to lower the gear. I don't think we can rest on the assertion that "Any competent pilot would recognize" that the gear is up.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
So let's make a deal my friend and perhaps others will follow our lead...if one of us happens to be sitting in that left seat we'll pay attention to the job at hand and not stare out the window at all of the little cars down below.
ecirphr 3 years ago
The distractions that cause gear up accidents are usually ATC or traffic. Looking at little cars is just a silly thing to say.
-robert, CFII
RobertGary1 3 years ago
Additionally, if you (not you Mr. Gary) are flying an aircraft equipped with retractable gear then please have a gear-warning horn installed if the aircraft is not equipped. And if there is no stall-warning horn installed...then I wouldn't be caught DEAD flying it.
Yes mistakes happen...and most often to the cavalier. So if you are prone to ignoring WARNING HORNS please don't become an airline pilot...I'd rather not trust my family's safety to someone so inclined.
ecirphr 3 years ago
All retractiable aircraft certified by the FAA or JAA have a gear warning system. Usually its a horn that is attached to the throttle. It goes off when you pull the throttle back.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
As a pilot you pay attention to these warnings or you end up dead...fixate on the outside picture on approach and forget your T-scan...and ignore the stall warning horn and they'll be picking you out of the instrument panel.
Now having said that...we don't know the circumstances. Perhaps both electric and manual gear extension was not possible.
ecirphr 3 years ago
Belly landings, wheels up. Kind of routine to watch now are they not? Does anyone even spill their coffee?
Plane comes in slow, there are a few sparks, plane stops. Every one says "wow" what a really great pilot he was. Ho Hum......
ALAJOHNSTONE 3 years ago
I never used to comprehend how anyone who was smart enough to get a pilot's license could forget to extend the gear. If you look through Trade A Plane at used retractable planes, a high percentage have landed this way, mostly NOT due to mechanical failures, but rather absent-minded pilots. No wonder Cirrus decided to use fixed gear only. Pilots who forget to extend the gear are probably dangerous pilots in other ways due to the other things they most certainly forget, like enough fuel, etc..
Ayinger 3 years ago
The pilot couldn't put the gear down or did he forget to?
birminghamcity123 3 years ago
I beleive he went around raising the gear, got used to the alert sound and then on 2nd final hasn't checked the wheels again. The plane is fully recovered and looks like new now. I suppose the engine is now new as well.
ErezMiller 3 years ago
Where about did this accident happen?
birminghamcity123 3 years ago
Dead Sea Israel (afaik it's the lowest altitude you can fly in the world as it's officially the lowest place on earth)
ErezMiller 3 years ago
@ErezMiller Well then I guess this guy is now the new record holder for lowest landing altitude
Lageyy 1 year ago
@ErezMiller
Lowest place on earth excluding oceanic depths :P
DJK290 5 months ago
@ErezMiller This happened to the previous owner of my '78 20J. Made a missed approach at night, put the gear up and then forgot to put the gear back down on the second landing attempt. It's unfortunate I bought the plane with new engine, prop and paint and it flies great.
meddle69 1 year ago
Wow! That is terrible.
It looks like the keystone cops recovery team were deployed!!
If I were the owner of that plane, I would have shined my boots on the person who decided to pick it up by the fuselage!
Lesson 1 in light aircraft design: These planes are essentially beer cans with wings attached!
What a bunch of baffoons!
shredyairi 4 years ago
at least he remembered his flaps......
Floatsforlife 4 years ago
Beautiful piece of aircraft too. Why wasn't the engine shut down before landing or did they forget to put the gear down?
fxdwings 4 years ago
Even if the gear up landing was intentional (i.e. the new that the gear didn't go down), turning the engine off on final in that case is a no-no. It's called turning one emergency into two emergencies.
svorkoetter 4 years ago
I could not agree with you more. There is another video on youtube where the pilot shuts the plane down and everyone praises his for saving the engine. I say sell the engine to the insurance company and be prepared for the go around if nessasary.
paulflyer 3 years ago
And a nice airplane it is. Love the shape of the Mooney tail
Meuk1982 4 years ago
obviously these guys didn't know #$%@ about recovering a disabled airplane. never pick it up by the fuslage unless it's totalled. always pick up by the wings next to the fuslage attach bolts, and run support to the prop/crankshaft. the wing spar is always the strongest part of an airplane. way to ruin a nice airplane. too bad for the owner. the pilot should have known better if he was any kind of a pilot at all. i.e weight and balance
rcflying53 4 years ago
The only time recovery guys care about the plane is if its off the runway. Even in the U.S. its not uncommon for airport managers to have a tractor to shove a disabled plane off the runway. Its the runway that's important, they don't give a crap about the airplane.
RobertGary1 4 years ago
i hear spanish, so did they get the pot off the plane yet or is it still stacked in the back
silentwolve 4 years ago
dumbass, its Hebrew. It sounds NOTHING like Spanish... AND, if you looked at the tail number, and you knew anything about airplanes, youd know it wasnt registered in Mexico (from the "pot" reference) or any other Spanish speaking nation. 4X is an Isreal registry prefix.
hyedenny 4 years ago
lol. Poor hyedenny isn't old enough to understand comedy. Don't worry hyedenny, everyone learns to laugh at some point. maybe some day you will too.
silentwolve 4 years ago
dumbass, I understood your pitiful ATTEMPT at humor. Age has little to do with this, as Ive seen 8 years old kids who have more wit than you. By the way, your last comment DID make me chuckle. A poor attempt at redeeming your foolish statement. Your time is better spent in school, and my time is better spent not responding to morons.
hyedenny 4 years ago
Has anyone noticed that this poor sob cannot say anything without adding in an insult? it shows a lack of confidence and poor debate skills. instead of attacking the issue, you attack me. even if you feel good about yourself after doing it, it makes you look stupid to everyone else. i win GG and if you reply you are contridicting your previous insult errrr statement.
silentwolve 4 years ago
1-0 for silentwolve
Meuk1982 4 years ago
LOL
fxdwings 4 years ago
the old m20 mooney's are great because of the "tractor bar" and bungee springs to retract the gears. unlike this hydro/ electrical one shown here.
TravisNeal 4 years ago
This appears to be a 201 (M20J). All the 201's had electric gear (as does mine).
RobertGary1 4 years ago
lmao jackass
TravisNeal 4 years ago
The engine has to go out for a tear down and inspection and will fly again. Mooney's have motor and drive tubes to raise and lower the gear, the gear locks down over center.
reichec 4 years ago
Once the prop strikes the ground thats it, its time for a new engine. The prop strike would damage the crankshaft. I dont know what the undercarriage system is on the Mooney but it might have been an uplock malfunction or a hydraulic failure.
TheGrunter69 4 years ago
The prop strike *could* damage the crank. In most cases (in the U.S.) we send the props out for inspection and then put them right back on. No hydraulics on the Mooney. However, there has been frequent ADs on the actuator. If that jams nothing is going to come down. The solution is just to inspect it per the AD. Not sure what they do in "4X" country though.
RobertGary1 4 years ago
could've been worse.:[
Xxflyboy10xX 4 years ago
Until the day I lose my medical, I'm not going to say anything about people who land gear up, its bad mojo. I just hope its not me one day. What country is 4x? BTW: The Mooney gear takes about 3 seconds to extend, not much chance of it taking too long (Bonanza is about 30 seconds)
RobertGary1 4 years ago
4x is an Israeli tail number if I'm not mistaken. Given the general disorder of things in the middle east, it wouldn't surprise me if they DO have someone beat out that prop.
bodybager 4 years ago
Bonanza 30 sec. ?
My old 64"P" model did it in 9 sec. (and never failed) Where did you get your numbers? I liked the old 20 series manual gear (no body to blame on that gear failure)
Having said that I once spent 30 sec looking for the gear lever in a Cessna 185 (never did find it)
wavefool 2 years ago
Pilot: "What's the warning horn sound? [shrug] Oh well, there's the runway."
jbw9999 5 years ago
I wonder what were the circumstances... looks like they were partially extended. Maybe the pilot tried to kick them down too late without a go-around, or perhaps system failure? But seing how they lifted it with such narrow straps and crinkled the fuselage, they probably pried the gear down and sat 'er back on the ground. Engine teardown? I wonder if it'll even get new prop. They'll probably just straighten that on out with a hammer.
bodybager 5 years ago
you dont straighten a prop with a hammer, it gets a new one when the engine is torn down and inspected
learflyer2 4 years ago
that sucks, thats a nice bird too. having to tear down the engine for the prop strike is gonna hurt the wallet.
beetleneill 5 years ago