(1/6) The Failure and Future of Environmentalism

[MrGideonstar]

Anarcho-primitivists are ridiculously idealistic. I've read Jensen, and I'll admit he's a good writer (based on his book Walking on Water). But when it comes down to it Keith, Jensen and co are promoting a theory which is not practical and fails to address the fundamental problem. Even if we somehow destroyed industrial civilisation, it doesn't address the issue of how we would still witness the same problems reemerge. The focus should be on class society and how that creates destructive culture

[timothyforvendetta]

Seems like derrick Jensen wrote this. Sounds like derrick Jensen talking......Derrick Jensen? is that you?

[Mjhavok]

@timothyforvendetta His influence is there. Especially when he talks about civilisation and cities.

[histerics3]

Definitely influenced by Jensen. A good thing, too, the more people that carry the message, the better.

[SLORTA5]

Finally...the truth is out there. Awesome work, you guys give humanity some hope that perhaps reason can one day win out. If not, the future of our species is wholesale global contamination (wonder if they that rule from the shadows like the idea of humanity having to buy the air they breath?) or outright extinction with the chance of something greater having been lost.

[FertileGroundWhatcom]

@SLORTA5 Thanks for the support!

[FertileGroundWhatcom]

I did not mean to defend the police; they are an oppressive institution. But I will defend those who feel the need for police protection: many women I know keep their phone in their hand with '911' already dialed when they are walking alone at night. My point is that it is too simple to say "never have any interactions with the police."

One of my favorite quotes is from Arundhati Roy: "Never simplify what is complicated, or complicate what is simple."

[FertileGroundWhatcom]

Security is important at all events. The police were invited by the conference organizers. Lierre has been assaulted before, and those who are threatened by this type of message will do anything they can to discredit or undermine the movement.

[DeflocculatedDentist]

@FertileGroundWhatcom Show of hands, how many anarchists have been assaulted by cops?

[FertileGroundWhatcom]

@DeflocculatedDentist Many people, both those who identify as anarchist and those who do not, have been assaulted by police, including members of the Fertile Ground Board of Directors.

[DeflocculatedDentist]

@FertileGroundWhatcom That's why I'm wondering why you'd invite them there. That would only make me less comfortable as a radical, because it's their job to break up resistance.

[FertileGroundWhatcom]

@DeflocculatedDentist As I said already, we did not invite them to the event. Nonetheless, it is a vast oversimplification of the police to say that their only role is to break up resistance. That is one of their roles; another is to provide security at events. That was their function here.

[DeflocculatedDentist]

@FertileGroundWhatcom I assumed ya'll were essentially the conference organizers, sorry. I didn't say it's their only job to break up resistance, but since we can agree that is one of their functions, it doesn't make sense to me that you'd continue defending them. The cops protect the property of the rich. The cops murder and subjugate the homeless, the kids, the resistant.... Please don't defend them.

[mills8102]

Glad the cops were there to keep everybody safe XD

[free484]

looks sick, im sad i missed it.

[saba505]

Great quality and really good sound. well done max!!

[iremythpurr]

Hey! I was there :) Good camera job Mr. left the room for a bit. :P