There are countries all over the world with tighter gun laws than the U.S. They are doing fine. This argument against UHC is stupid because 1) UHC had fuck all to do with the Holocaust and 2) Countries all across western Europe have UHC and are obviously not fascist regimes. The entire argument is US- focused, mordern-centric ignorance. It's Godwin's law at work.
@Huesenheimer Most if not all of those countries that have tighter gun laws saw a MASSIVE increase in violent crimes after instituting those tighter laws. I am not going to defend this video, but the right to own firearms is a must for a free society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns, and they will use them, even in areas where they are not allowed or illegal. Cops have guns because they confront criminals, but criminals prey on citizens, not cops, we should be armed.
@Huesenheimer I am not worried about fascism with UHC I am worried with having to pay some other persons bills. That is bullshit. I don't care how sad the story, I shouldn't have to pay for it, against my will, that is theft...government funded, enforced, and condoned theft. I work hard for my money and I have a right to keep it.
What is wrong with having a US focused thought process when the US is dealing with a US issue?
Seriously though I would like to thank my public school education for giving me the knowlege and critical thinking ability to realize that this video is a bunch of bullshit.
Here I thought the Holocaust was the result of the Nazi Party blaming Germany's postwar economic troubles on the Jews and the antisemitism that followed. But I guess that's my fault for going to (gasp) a public school in the socialized public school system.
@Huesenheimer Of course is was the result of the Nazi party blaming the Jews buts the used the things demonstrated in the video as a means to an end. Where are those critical thinking skills you claim to have?
@2411Hellokitty Gun control was a means to an end. Obviously it was malicious on the part of the Nazis but would it have averted the Holocaust if gun rights were intact? Probably not. The claim about UHC is ridiculous, however. It was totally irrelevent. Even if it were, that's no reason not to support it. UHC does not intrinsically create a police state. Western Europe has varying degrees of UHC today and it's obviously not caused any kind of fascist takeover.
@Huesenheimer Their is absolutely nothing wrong with being afraid of big government and history has shown time and time again the reasons why. If you had gotten a better education on history then you would already know that.
yeah but what you didn't say is that every other country in the world has tighter gun controls so everything you said was BULLSHIT unless every country in the world is Nazi. dumb ass.
HAhahaha Aspergers? is that what you people are talking about? Well encyclopedia dramatica says its just a way of doctors being able to tell that your kid is going to be a jerk for the rest of his life and being able to make money off of it at the same time hahahah. btw this video is great.
@Denverlibertarion Why? are you afraid you and others are going to become deniers if he is able to freely post his opinion? Do you believe his argument is so good that you must act like a crazy religious fundamentalist and shut him out? Why don't you try to help him instead of dehumanizing him like the nazi's did to people. It's so obvious the Holocaust happened that you should be able to easily convince him. I don't understand this violation of freedom of speech because of somebodies position.
@Logistica11735 Where did he say he is running to the government for more money? He said he is aware he will have to work harder. There is only one asshole here, and not a very bright one at that! Expecting everyone to pay their fair share, as in expecting the super rich to pay the same taxes as their secretaries is not the same thing as going to the government for a handout.
@Logistica11735 What in the flying fuck are you talking about? You are misunderstanding what i said. First of, i lost a 55k a year job when the economy crashed. I got knocked down a couple pegs, but I WILL pick myself up. I'm not asking anyone else to do it, that was my point. I am not taking a dime from the government.
@Denverlibertarion YOu call yourself a libertarian but you are a fascist fuck. You can't stand anyone voicing an opinion you don't agree with, that's a threat to a deluded prick like you
@Denverlibertarion Even on your youtube page you ban people from voicing opinions that aren't the same as yours. The truth is an embarrassment to you, yet you call yourself a libertarian. I shudder to think of the facist crap you would pull if you were running anything that's actually important.
@SammyClammy You're one to talk. Everytime i go on a liberal page I get banned simply by pointing out fact. And that liberal was banned because he denied the holocaust and spouted a bunch of shit about killing Jews. That is wheere I draw the line.
IfI were running something important There wouldnt be any chance of fascism. Unlike when liberlas are in charge.
@Denverlibertarion I looked for his comment and didn't see it is it removed? If you honestly banned a holocaust denier good for you and I am behind that I guess. If you are trying to link liberalism and holocaust denial you are stretching reason a bit, can't we just agree that he was a nutjob if he is a holocaust denier and spouted about killing Jews.
@Denverlibertarion I guess I should point out that if you are presenting as a "fact" the idea that proponents of universal heath care want to create another holocaust you should expect to be banned if people are attempting to have an intelligent, fact based conversation. If you are spamming a conversation about the pros and cons of different health care systems with insane ideas like that you should expect to be removed.
@SammyClammy The problem is most of them are misguided. They don't understand that there are consequences for their actions. Implementing universal healthcare has a very negative consequence. Its already shoing itself in Europe. In the UK, old and weak are denied lifesaving care. A retired cop was denied gastro bypass surgery and almost died. He finally got it only after protest from the US. What IS a fact is that universal healthcare WILL LEAD TO A LOSS OF FREEDOM AND LEAD TO POSSIBLE HOLOCAUST
@Denverlibertarion The old and weak are bound to be denied care to a greater degree in systems that are profit motivated, what you are saying is the opposite of what actually happens. Keep in mind that if the cop got sick in the U.S. he would lose his life savings, then when he ran out of money die anyway. It is simply not a fact that UHC would lead to a loss of freedom, it hasn't anywhere else it has been tried, health care didn't lead to the holocaust and never will, that's a FACT
@SammyClammy So why does the NHS deny healthcare to old and weak like Tom Condliff? Why does the Netherlands prmote involuntary euthanasia and why does the NHS let premie babies die without treatmen? Its YOU who are saying the opposite of what happens.
Herman Bourne BTW DID loose his life savings after being denied surgery to remove a malignant tumor by the NHS. UHC HAS lead to loss of freedom in Europe and elsewhere. in the UK, all sex abuse and persecution victims are considered retards.
@Denverlibertarion "in the UK, all sex abuse and persecution victims are considered retards" Bullshit, where did you get this nonsense? This is a pretty good indicator of the accuracy of your other claims.
@SammyClammy Psychiatrists claim there is a disease going around called Aspergers syndrome. It was coined after Hans Asperger who was a psychiatrist and a member of the SS. People with Asperger's syndrome are considered retarded and incapable of caring for themselves managing money, marrying ETC. The diagnostic criterea is that if you were picked on in school, abused as a child, are chronically unemployed (regardless of economic/personal situations) or have restricted interests you have it.
@Denverlibertarion I work with people who have been diagnosed with Aspergers, they are not considered retarded and many will take care of themselves nicely when they are adults. It's a real condition, here's a link to the criteria, autreat . com/dsm4-aspergers . html, read this and better yourself. Secondly your original claim was that all victims of abuse or persecution are "considered retards" this is plainly not true, and you are not bright enough to be in this discussion if you say that
@SammyClammy So why THEN are they banned from working? Why are they restricted and abused? So much for that!
victims of abuse or persecution are "considered retards" this is plainly not true,
So WHY... Then does failure to socialize with peers become a criteria for diagnosis of Aspergers retardation? Why is it, that kids who are picked on in school are suddenly social and mental retards?
REASON# 7249 to never trust government. I guess we should also add in: Reason 12497 to homeschool
@Denverlibertarion People with Apergers are not banned from working, many hold down jobs. It is not the diagnosis of Aspergers that prevents anyone from holding down a job, it is their inability to function due to the nature of the disease. Failure to develop normal relationships with peers is a criteria because it is a problem that people with Aspergers deal with. I pity any child who is homeschooled by the likes of you if you can't understand something like Aspergers. Were you homeschooled?
@SammyClammy You can look this up but in Britain they have panels that decide if you are capable of working. In australia as in Canada and the US people are not allowed to work if they recieve certain kinds of pensions. Especially in Australia. Also your psychiatric records and whether or not you get SSI SSDI ETC is easily obtained by third parties including employers. Employers dont like the disabled or welfare recipients.
@Denverlibertarion Your original claim was that people who have been diagnosed with something you called "Aspergers Retardation" (I have never heard this term before) are prohibited from working. This is bullshit no matter what country you are talking about.
@Denverlibertarion You are trying to change your claim after the fact for one thing, for another thing I defy you to show me where it says that Asperger's is a form of retardation, where it is written that "people with Asperger's are banned form working". I am simply here for the amusement you are provide when floundering around and making a fool of yourself trying to defend the ridiculous things you say. Nobody has ever been diagnosed with Asperger's because they were picked on in school.
@Denverlibertarion I have read it, you need to slow down and read it a little more carefully if you believe that a person can be diagnosed with Asperger's because they were picked on at school. As far as I know it is not "a form of retardation", you are either misinformed or making this stuff up. I am aware of people with the condition who hold down jobs so your claim that they are "banned from working" is pure bullshit.
@SammyClammy According to the DSM Failure to socialize with peers (Being picked on even being sexually assaulted by another student in school) Is a sign of Aspergers. I know people who were branded with it for those reasons alone. Maine and California are notorious examples. In many circles it is considered retardation/mental illness like schizophrenia and down syndrome are. Nate Tseglin for instance was banned from working and owning a home in Orange county because of it.
@Denverlibertarion "in many circles" what "circles"? It is more than likely that the faulty diagnoses you are talking about were made by minions from profit driven institutions and would be avoided entirely in a socialized health care system. Check out the kids for cash scandal if you want t fine example of how privatization promotes corruption in areas that are better overseen by elected representatives of the people.
@SammyClammy Better overseen by other human beings? What makes elected representatives superior to you and me? It's amazing the dualism that goes on in a lot of people's minds when it comes to the state. Elected representatives are a small group of empowered people set apart as superior and looked at as always good apparently by your eyes. All men and women are imperfect and have a tendency to act selfishly for themselves and their families. Everyone should be equal and armed. That's American.
@Denverlibertarion You are falling for the anti-jesus agenda of Scientology when you believe in this type of nonsense. You are a science denier who is proud of his ignorance, you have no idea that you are not capable of grasping the simplest realities we face in the world today.
A straight line political spectrum is probably not the most accurate way to gauge all the complexities and variances of government. But if i had to do so, i would start with zero government on the far right, then as you move left the size and scope of gov't increases. If extreme forms of government exist on both the right and the left, then what is in the middle according to you? Where does America (The most capitalistic country ever) sit. It would seem according to you, that it (cont)
4. "straight line political specturm...not the most accurate...gauge...variances of government", like it or not the general terms are LEFT and RIGHT
5. "if i had to do so, i would start with zero government on the far right...move left...scope of gov't increases", your pet definitions are your own
6. "what is in the middle?", AGAIN Leninism(far left) Maoism, Communism(left), Socialism(middle), Capitalism(right), Libertarian, Anarchy, Monarchy, Fascism(far right)
@ZangaroZen I love how, in your mind, when a communist country strays slightly from State ownership of everything and dabbles in capitalism, it FLIPS polar opposites into Fascism. While a capitalist country can stray vastly from its capitalist roots and remain far right wing. LOL. It seems like you are the one with the 100% criteria...
@ZangaroZen "AGAIN Leninism(far left) Mao..Comm..." YOU'RE WRONG! And you just "PWN'ED" yourself! Your first "spectrum" had Stalinism to the left of Mao and Communism, and now you put Lenin.. The two are not interchangeable, they differed greatly. You also said that anarchy can lead to a dictatorship, whether it be Fascist, Communist or a Monarchy (and i agree), but where is Communism on the right? Shouldn't it be close to Anarchy? YOUR "PET"SPECTRUM MAKES LITTLE SENSE.
ZangaroZen Dude you spout so much shit its not even funny... I WILL PICK EVERY ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS APART TOMORROW WHEN I HAVE TIME:) I n the mean time take a step back and realize that you do not know everything, and try to acquire some LOGIC.
@ZangarooZen Capitalism is not Fascism, its only a small part. You keep ignoring what really matters. Complete state ownership of wealth, property, all land, business, industry and distribution etc, IS Communism, and it is EVIL BY NATURE. THERE IS NO FREEDOM UNDER COMMUNISM AT ALL!!!
1. "Capitalism is not Fascism, it's only a small part", it's the CORE and thus MAIN part. You've already conceeded fascism sits on right wing captialism, while left wing communism doesn't. AGAIN capitalism is an economic system that sits under many right wing ideologies including fascism, but NO left wing ideologies. BASIC
2."Complete state ownership...IS Communism", reread point 1
3. "you spout so much shit...try to acquire some LOGIC", LOL more BS empty opinions. NO SPECIFICS EVER
@ZangaroZen You say. " capitalism sits under many right wing ideologies...but NO left wing ideologies.BASIC" Did China stop being left wing when it started implementing capitalist principals? How about Cuba? Are they extreme right wing forms of government now? When a small change in economics causes a complete polar flip on your political spectrum, maybe you should question it.
11. "Did China stop being left wing when it started implementing capitalist principals", YES. BUT you still think China is communist. Does the state own everything. NO. Is there a dictator? YES. Sounds like a growing Fascist state. Scary as fascism is efficient. Look where China was and is now.
12. "How about Cuba", their capitalist policies are minor, unlike China
13. "small change in economics" LOL from complete state ownership to free markets is NOT a small change
@ZangaroZen GREATEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLDS HISTORY. Our system has been perverted over the decades and needs to be restored, and that time is coming.
@ZangaroZen ..regimes that had a cult of personality, militarism, and people who stood against the State were slaughtered by the millions!!! In America my government's kept in check (though not like it used to be) through all the checks and balances and separation of power, etc, AND we have a free market. The key is keeping the government in check, so the people may be free to live as they choose. There is no perfect system, but Capitalism structered in a Constitutional Republic is by far the
1) "people who stood against the state were slaughtered by the millions", hardly, the vast majority of victims weren't dissidents
2) "Capitalism structured in a Constitutional Republic is by far the GREATEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT", when has America done a 1933-1939 German or 1982- Chinese economic/military turn around? Fascism is very efficient, but with obvious corrupting down sides
3) "...perverted over decades", thank Regan: deregulation, trickle down economics, free trade
@ZangaroZen (cont) production and a drop in quality of product due to inexperiance. 2) Bad reputation, ie: "That guys a dick, don't work for him." This leads to fewer options of people to hire, and hurts his company. 3) The customer no longer wants to buy his product, because of the poor quality and goes elsewhere. Without the free maket, you are nothing but a subject.
@ZangaroZen (cont) price, one of his competitors will, and he has to either change his business practices, or cease to be in business. Unless hes propped up by the government in some way, which has become a huge problem in America and needs to be stopped, but too many people are still sleeping.. If the business owner treets his employee's like shit, they will quit. And if he keeps doing this he will have a constant turnover of workers, which means, 1) Less experianced workers = slower (cont)
@ZangaroZen (cont) that again.. Worst case? He FIRES you! (oh the humanity) Now you get to pick from millions of other EVIL CAPITALIST BOSSES, or YOU can start your own business, and be like roughly 70% of our economy that comes from small business, thats called free choice. Who does the Dictator 'bow' too? Answer : NO ONE! Who does the business owner 'bow' too? Answer : THE CONSUMER! (GOD THATS EVIL!) You see, if the business owner doesn't supply the best good or service for the best (cont)
@ZangaroZen You said: "you bow to your capitalistic employer everyday". This is the most absurd comparision i have ever heard in my life, and people of your ilk spew it all the time. And frankly its not worth a moments gossip...Lets see if you can notice the HUGE differences. 1) In a Dictatorship you only have one option; go along with what the Dictator wants or he jails you and/or KILLS you. In the free market, you either do what the boss wants or he, uh, tells you not to do (cont)
@ZangaroZen (cont) Its voluntary, like minded people choosing to live as they may, but on a national level you MUST always use FORCE. "Let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution". ~ Thomas Jefferson. My belief that we should bind those in power down with the chains of the Constitution, makes me a "Right Wing Extremist", yet its that very thing that prevents extremism. MY POINT: Right Wing in America means something (con't)
@ZangaroZen (cont) lack of a properly structured government does. Without Seperation of Power, a strict Constitution that keeps the Federal power in check, and all the checks and balances on power, you fall prey to being governed by the whims of men, not the rule of law and this becomes Tyranny. Communism (on a national scale) by nature is Tyranny, i say on a national scale because in America we have communes that work. Why? Because there is a door, you can walk in and you can walk out. (cont)
3. "not...a pure fascist...Stalinism resembled a form of Fascism", why? Because you say so? Fascism and communism are opposites, AGAIN fascism rests on capitalism and corporatism, while communism rests on state ownership, and you've conceeded that economic difference which are OPPOSITES. Communism=left wing, Fascism=far right. BASIC
4. "...different economically doesn't mean anything", NO it means everything. Reread point 3.
@ZangaroZen and Individualism (which is surely right wing) is what stands in the way of all Tyrants. You cannot conquer people that you do not control, and self governing, well educated, free people can only conquer themselves by ceasing to be just that. The Nazis got you to bow to the state, thats left wing. They wanted you to serve the state for the "greater good", again left wing, NOT Individualist, but collectivist. BASIC Their goal was for everybody to think alike, the opposite of (cont)
1. "Individualism (which is surely right wing)", the ultimate expression is anarchy, problem is anarchy has never been pratical in human history; eventually a strong group will take over. If it's a dictatorship, it can go either communism and state ownership, or fascism and capitalism
2. "cannot conquer people...self-governing, well educated, free people" LOL happens all the time, most wars
3. "bow to the state, that's left wing", you bow to a capitalistic emplorer every day
You neglected to mention that Prescott Bush, Geo Dubya's grandfather, did business with I.G. Farben and helped to set up a Swiss shell company so that he could continue to make profits from the "liberal" gas chamber designers after hostilities with Germany broke out. Prescott Bush was also a founding member of the liberal, genocidal group Planned Parenthood. Certainly Prescott Bush was a proponent of eugenics.
@MrBushlied The Bush's are hardly conservative or American. Bush SR. Is pro New World order and was even openly pro choice during the seventies and supported roe V Wade. Im not surprised.
@illinoislibertarian The choice of a existing conscious person trumps the choice of fetus that has no consciousnesses or rationality. No fetus can defeat us! A true libertarian would not force a woman to carry a pregnancy that she does not want to full term, a right wing, fascist, holy ro0ller, hypocritical GOP would.
What about the countless countries with gun control, and did not have a attempted genocide, along with those with poor gun laws, and seem to have a fetish for war. Is there a correlation there?
@quedorf 1. They haven't had them.... YET. And those countries also have corrupt governments most of which suppress basic liberties we take for granted in this country. And when the Euro Peons for instance instituted gun control, crime sky rocketed.
those with poor gun laws, and seem to have a fetish for war
The USA doesnt have poor gun laws unless you count states like NH VT ME ETC. that have low crime rates and are libertarian and are generally opposed to the war.
@minnesotastategop The US has ludicrous gun laws. the simple fact alone that each state or city none the less, have different gun laws is in itself a poor system of laws.
What countries have gun control and corrupt government? Canada. Most European countries? And the crimes skyrocketed claim is false. All these European countries have much lower violent crime than the US...
@quedorf So why does a state with no gun laws New Hampshire have such low crime rates and almost no homicides while DC Chicago and LA which have gun laws have mass murder on the streets?
And whether or not crime is lower in europe the fact remains that when anti weapons laws were enacted crime increased. Any bloke who wants to swag a tosser with "flash fawley" or "pinch a bob" can go to east london and get a piece from Jem "homie G" Botting for half their welfare pension. Gun laws dont work.
@mainestategop I ask the same question in a larger scale. Why does countries like most of Europe, and Canada with good gun laws, have much lower crime than those such as the US with lousy gun laws.
Where is the proof that when gun laws were enacted, crime rose. Only times I hear that argument, there are reasonable explanations...........
@mainestategop ..........For example the fact that the UK changed the recording system for crimes when the gun laws were implemented, and this gave the impression of a raise in crimes, when in fact crime decreased. Or the foolish, yet regularly debunked Australian crime "facts", where numbers and information are played with to give a perception of a huge rise in crime.
@quedorf BS the people who tried to debunk them were lying. Statistics I looked up from multiplle sources including the United nations show that certain crimes like assault and burglary were more common in the UK than in the US.
NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW SAYS CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS HAVE GUNS. HITLER EVEN STATED THAT IT IS NECCESARY TO DISARM CITIZINS TO CONTROL THEM. IT IS BETTER THAT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS HAVE GUN SO THEY CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM CRIMINALS AND TYRANICAL GOVERNMENT
@Denverlibertarion You do realize that you are sounding desperate. It is a fact that the Australian facts are manipulated to sound worse than they really are. And you are aware that the UK and the US have different crime policies. What is considered a assault in the US is not the same as in the UK.
And you so desperately want the last part of your statement to be right, you will deny any proof to the opposite. Your Hitler idea is a text book "guilt by association" fallacy
@quedorf There is no desperation. People like you have been conditioned to believe that government is God and your parent. You cling to this idea and are the one who is desperate. You know... I know... That unarmed citizens are excellent slaves. So if the UK has different definitions of crime than why should we trust them when they say that it is better to be unarmed and at their mercy? YOU on the other hand will not stand for it. That last part was an emphasis on what I had said earler.
@Denverlibertarion No.. People like me don't FEAR the government, as people like you do. And slaves are people who lack rights. Rights such as the freedom to visit places, like for example Cuba.
And just so you know. You can make the claim that people are at the mercy of the government, and slaves, but that still does not make it true, so if you want to make reasonable arguments, try to stick to facts, not opinion................
@quedorf slaves are people who lack rights. BEcause they are unarmed.
Its happened everytime in history. When guns are regulated or outlawed. The first gun laws were passed to disarm blacks, they had the same thing in Germany and South Africa along with China.
You are the one who desperately wants it to be true. You are so worked up about armed patriots defending themeselves. History is on our side. It has never been kind to gun grabbers like you.
@Denverlibertarion No. You are incorrect. Lacking rights are as simple as that. Lacking rights. As an american, by your definition, you are a slave, firearm or not. You do not posses rights to travel where you please, or use whatever drugs you choose to legally.
And it is also a good thing that you are a poor judge of character. I own many guns, and have for as long as I can remember. The pro gun people ALWAYS assumes that because one can think for themselves they are anti gun.
@Denverlibertarion ........ As far as the different definitions of crime, you are correct that you should not take this as proof that gun control works. But the preponderance of the evidence, shows that it does. Very few people will make the claim that the US does not have a gun problem.
And again no matter how you try to twist it, the Hitler statement was a logical fallacy. Hitler loved his mother dearly. So I guess under your logic people should hate their mothers.
1. "Very few people will make the claim that the US does not have a gun problem...talking illegal guns in states where they are not even allowed IE Chicago", Chicago is a city not a state. You ignore 55,000 gun injuries/deaths/suicides annually. How would you reduce that figure?
2. "An unarmed man is an enslaved subject, an armed man is a citizen", what BS, by your logic the majority of Americans are slaves. When did you use a gun to enforce your citizenship? NEVER
Lets not forget that the Nazis & Holocaust were helped immensely by a 1000 year history of Christian antisemitism. The 1st Holocaust in German against the Jews happened during the Crusades & was done by pious Christians. The Nazis had no end of non German, non Nazi helpers because of that ingrained hatred of Jews
This is a classic example of someone breaking Godwins Law. As a Jew who lost relatives in the Holocaust, you are insulting the victims and memory of the Holocaust for your cheap domestic political ends.
Germany had universal healthcare decades before the Nazis existed. So your point is what exactly? Making shit up again are we? Let me try some - Nazis wore shoes. You know who else wears shoes? YOU! Therefore YOU are a Nazi. Also, gay guys wear shoes, so you're a dick sucking Nazi! Oh yeah, child molestors wear shoes too - so that makes you a dick sucking Nazi child molestor! Gosh, this is fun! One last one - morons wear shoes which makes you a dick sucking Nazi child molesting moron!
@oldfartrants You didnt get it right. The point is that because the Jews were not armed they could not defend themselves from the government. Hitler himself even stated:
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
@Denverlibertarion How long do you think the Jews could have held out against ruthless well trained soldiers even with guns? They were isolated in a country run by others
@Denverlibertarion, that's a great quote, and it's mentioned numerous times in your YouTube BLOGs and a few right wing sites, problem is it's not in "Mein Kampf"or any Hitler known speech, so WHEN AND WHERE EXACTLY DID HITLER SAY THAT if ever AND WHO EXACTLY WAS HE REFERRING TO? Ever person claiming that quote has gone silent when asked for a REPUTABLE source.
The 1938 Germany Gun laws, encouraged German citizen gun ownership, NOT the reverse as you claim.
@Denverlibertarion, that's a great quote, and it's mentioned numerous times in your YouTube BLOGs and a few right wing sites, problem is it's not in "Mein Kampf"or any Hitler known speech, so WHEN AND WHERE EXACTLY DID HITLER SAY THAT if ever AND WHO EXACTLY WAS HE REFERRING TO? Ever person claiming that quote has gone silent when asked for a REPUTABLE source.
The 1938 Germany Gun laws, encouraged German citizen gun ownership, NOT the reverse as you claim.
@oldfartrants, ROFLMAO, funny how dishonest one side is in their logical fallacies, but when their techniques are applied to them equally and fairly, the idiocy of their original claims are clearly exposed as wishful nonsense.
@ZangaroZen (cont) government and protect our nation from a marauding general, and so far its worked. Back to Hitler's quote, " The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall." ....... Therefore the most foolish mistake we as free people could make would be to turn in our firearms...Who's side are you on??
@denverlibertarion You forgot to mention Bro, The liberal Germans confiscated the insurance money owed to the Jews because according to them, they started the riots. That sounds a lot like what the liberal media today said about violent attacks on the teaparty and the minutemen.
@mainestategop Sorry , the ones who confiscated the insurance weren't liberal Germans, they were Nazis, you right wing jerkov. The liberal Germans back then were the Jew's friend, Like I said on the other thread, your paranoia and ignorance are only exceeded by your dishonesty,
@DawnOfTheDead991 Look up the definition for the acronym Nazi. You'll see.
Goodwins law does not apply to discusions on the causes of the holocaust IE: Citizen Disarmament, classifying Jews as diseased and then using government healthcare to "treat" their diseases with slavery, torture and death.
you are insulting the victims and memory of the Holocaust
Bullshit. Im doing them a favor so is Denverlibertarian. We are warning others so this doesnt happen again.
@mainestategop, acronym for NAZI or NSDAP? "NationalSOZIALISTISCHE Deutsche Arbeiterpartei", meaning "National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party". What's your huge trump point you think you're so proud of having?
You say "Citizen Disarmament", the COMPLETE OPPOSITE, read up on "1938 German Weapons Act". Everything ultra-right wingers want for all citizens.
You say "using government healthcare", WRONG the holocaust was administered by the SS
You have ONLY empty opinions/gossip NEVER ANY FACTS
1. "keep loaded weapons...no accidental shootings...your opinion only without facts" read cdcDOTgov/NCHS/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf 25,000 accidental gun injuries/deaths per year, dispite you and your grandmother
2. "scared person untrained", most gun owners lack any training, good point. Want a gun license then pass SERIOUS GUN TRAINING
3. "don't know who has guns", ie trigger happy reactions, good point
@nhstategop, "that goth chick TheAsov hangs with in Chicago", don't know what nonsense you're going on about as per your usual idiotic babbling.
As "annoying" as you claim others are, you've always lacked the self control required to stop yourself from renewing contact with a nonsensical comment. Next time take a page from someone with a backbone. For instance when was the last time I contacted your annoying self first?
"Charlotte NC.Car jacking...NC law...concealed carry...rate...went down over night", now show some honesty and add in the increase in accidental gun injury/deaths/suicides, and conceed the overall death rate went up with more gun ownership as national and state statistics prove
You say "should we ban cars", unlike guns, travel is a necessity. Car deaths have decreased through safety features/training, DUI laws, etc. Similarly gun license training is key.
@ZangaroZen The" should we bad cars" is just an example of another idiotic idea like baning guns! If we are going to ban all gun ownership for legal law abiding people then we should band them for law enforcement as well. Just look up the number of cops who have lost it and killed them selves and or family members with there issued weapon. If U take guns out of the hands of those who follow the law then your leaving them at the Mercy of those who dont. Maybe this is fine with you but not for me!
@zLOSTNOMOREz, very bad analogy. Cars and guns are completely different. Transportation is a necessity, guns aren't
Think I have a gun license/guns?
You're the only one suggesting "ban all gun ownership"
As for "look up the number of cops who have lost it", yes cops have the highest rate of gun accidents/deaths, dispite extensive training. Why? Constant gun usage and probabilities
"who follow the law", you still don't get it, 100 time more accidental injury/deaths, then self protection
@ZangaroZen UR posts R implying baning guns. "very bad analogy. Cars and guns are completely different. Transportation is a necessity, guns aren't" This is a very good analogy because cars,like guns are not a necessity, they are something that we think we must have therefor we have a reason to own one.
You dont have to have a car to live your life nor do you have to have a gun but when you need one or the other then that need explains the reason. Both can save or end your life.
@zLOSTNOMOREz, you say "a very good analogy because cars, like guns are not a necessity", and how would all products and people be moved around? By horse? Again equating gun lto driving licenses is a very bad analogy. 70% of Americans live their whole lives without owning a gun, and most owners seldom use their guns, but 100% rely on transportation. Again bad analogy, worst than bad, deliberately honest.
Transportation's objective is moving things NOT death. Death is a gun's purpose.
@mbabist01, you say "there is no such thing as a 'right wing fascist'", and what are all the neo-nazis? Left wing socialists? LOL. No right wing fascists.
Fascism rests on top of a mostly capitalist economy, capitalism meaning it's right wing, not a left wing government controlled economy which is the complete opposite or communism. VERY BASIC. You've been pwn'ed/schooled but go ahead and check a reputable dictionary or encyclopedia for verification and "popping off again". You're welcome.
@mbabist01, you say "I have", then please provide a REPUTABLE link that states NAZIsm amounts to a left wing ideology in which the economy is not mostly free market. YOU CAN'T.
All you got is your empty baseless opinion declared as fact and lame insults like "chimp-in-chief".
If it makes you feel better Fascism is to right of capitalism, while socialism is between capitalism and communism as so:
@Denverlibertarion, you say "state sanctioned pogroms, property confiscation and herding people into camps free markets?...George Orwell couldnt be as crazy as to think THAT up. Not even Joe Stalin would buy that crap", is that all you can muster made up nonsense?
The targetted groups you refer to amount to less than 1% of the population, leaving 99% living in a right wing capitalistic society that NAZIsm is.
AGAIN where's your reputable link claiming NAZIsm is not right wing? You got none.
@biddefordgop, you say "everything thats coming out of your mouth is nonsense", everything? That's an aweful lot and yet YOU CAN'T QUOTE ANYTHING SPECIFIC. NOTHING. How epically weak, Typical of someone that can only muster empty declarations and insults, after a brutal pwning.
Hike up your skirt, grab your balls and surprise everyone but QUOTING EXACTLY one piece of "nonsense", either that or conceed you can't and have been pwn'ed, or run away with your tail between your legs.
@ZangaroZen If more guns means safer, then why is the US with it's zillions of guns, the world leader in incarceration, gun deaths/suicides/accidents?
You seem to forget tht all those things occur in states and cities With tight gun control and no rights for law abidiing citizens to own guns. New Hampshire has almost no gun laws and is constantly marked down as the safest state in America.
Contrast that with Massachusetts California, New York and Illinois which are dangerous and allow no guns.
@Denverlibertarion, you say "all those things occur in states and cities With right gun control...Massachusettes, California, New York and Illinois", WRONG BS delusional decree. Reality rate/100,000 is: MA=3, NY=5, IL=10 CA=10 versus AL=16 TN=16 MT=17 AK=17 LA=19
Even if your claims were true, which they aren't, it doesn't change the fact that America has the highest gun ownership, incarceration, gun deaths/injuries/suicides rates, etc in the world, a fact you didn't dispute. (con't)
next time take a google second to confirm your wishful thinking, as trading opinionated nonsense with other like minded people in an echo chamber doesn't amount to truth but a concensus of delusion.
The reality is more guns means more deaths at all levels and worse crime, not less, as the anti-gun versus pro-gun states showed in my last post.
As for New Hampshire it has half the gun ownership of AL and AK, and only 6 deaths per 100,000 not 17 and 19 respectively.
If someone broke into your home carrying a weapon and you realized that (by their actions towards you or family members) they had every intent to do you and your family bodily harm. Which would rather have, a gun to defend yourself or a phone to call for help?
@zLOSTNOMOREz, you don't say what kind of "weapon" in your rigged case. Assuming a jack knife, that's dwarfed by a kitchen steak knive, and a baseball bat would cripple anyone swinging a jack knife. Now what? In reality, family and criminals tend to flee each other.
The basic issue with your example is it's misleading BS.
For every family protected by a gun, 100s of others are accidentally hurt/killed and murdered by guns. Yet you'd opt for a 100 fold odd increase in tragedy for false security
@ZangaroZen So rather than having something to insure the survival of yourself and those you love you would rather take your chances with a bat or large kitchen knife rather than having the very best weapon to defend yourself with in case of a home invasion. This is the mindset of a victim.
The only false security here is thinking that what you mentioned would be enough to save your life!
Guns in the home means a 100 time probability of accidental injury/death. Meaning every time a family successfully defends itself, there are 100 cases of accidental tragic injury/death. Only a moron would risk 100 family members to deal with 1 criminal.
"mindset of a victim", versus a moronic 100 to 1 chance gambling wimp?
"false security", as in guns=security, the reality is more trigger happy people, criminals included, and more tragedy.
@ZangaroZen If I really intend on killing somebody, I DON'T NEED A GUN AND THAT IS FACT !!!!. The average house is so full of lethal weapons from the garage to the kitchen you could be killed a alot ways and make look like a accident. As for your idiotic theory anti-gun theory. From my grandmother to me has keep loaded weapons in the house and no accidental shootings, it is your opinion only without facts to back it up.
Respond to this video... The only trigger happy people is scared rabbits like you using it as a scare tactic. A gun is a tool, you pull a weapon on somebody. You have made a choice to defend yourself with lethal force if need be, or simply grab the son's baseball bat and beat their head into pulp. You tell me which is a more merciful death. Personally I like the baseball bat due to no ammo cost.
@PatriotTexas, you say "The only trigger happy people is scared rabbits", well that's what happens when everyone is rattling their guns, nobody wants to be the second person to pull the trigger. Every year many more people/family are mistaken for burglers, for every burgler.
You say "A gun is a tool", like a shovel? How many people are accidentally killed by shovels?
You say "beat their head into pulp...which is more merciful death", excessive force is a criminal act not mercy.
Gun activitists, which you seem to be, think they're tough/macho, and those without guns are wimps. The opposite is true. Think about it. You can't bare the thought of being without your security blanket crutch of massive firepower to overwelm another. Take your gun away and the macho fascade vanishes. You're scared shitless. You got some nerve declaring those that forsake guns for a kitchen knife, bat, or going in with fists as "mindset of a victim" wimps. Hilarious irony
@ZangaroZen Years ago in Charlotte NC.Car jacking was huge problem city wide with news of such every night but after NC law allowed for concealed carry, the rate of carjackings and violent crimes went down over night. "For every family protected by a gun, 100s of others are accidentally hurt/killed and murdered by guns. Yet you'd opt for a 100 fold odd increase in tragedy for false security" This argument could also apply to autos,should we ban cars as well?
@ZangaroZen An 'ultra right-wing fascist' government? You've GOT to be kidding. You really believe that horseshit? No sense of history? Of course not. This 'NAZIs were right-wingers' stuff is total crap - a leftist meme that couldn't be further from the truth. You might want to look up the translation of 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei' and get back to us. Dope.
@wdorrity, listen to your empty opinons "...GOT to be kidding...believe that horseshit? No sense of history? Of course not...right wingers'stuff is total crap...leftist meme that couldn't be further from the truth", your best babbling nonsense decrees you can muster? Sad.
You declare "look up the translation of 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei'", don't have to my German is good enough, NSDAP translates to "National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party". Your history point "Dope"?
@wdorrity Leftist believe in the equality of all people and races. How can one be a leftist when they believe in exterminating and enslaving whole races? The Nazis never even abolished the hereditary nobility or broke up their estates. They exploited some leftist rhetoric to win desperate workers' votes but did them in when he got power. Why don't you read a history and a political science book or two so you won't sound like a typical conservative dumb ass?
1. Jews were less than 1% of the German population, with or without guns the Jews that didn't flee ended up in death camps
2. NAZIs are ultra right wing, not socialists/liberals/left-wing
3. Stating personal opinions as fact, interchanging NAZI for liberal, and Holocaust for Universal Healthcare, all very "cheap domestic political ends" dishonest
4. NAZIs were supported by and helped the weathy/industrialists and hereditary nobility
@ZangaroZen 1. They could have help from anti nazi germans. Like I told dawn of the braindead991 he should do research on the Bielski Otriad, the Viet Minh, the french partisans and other movements. Ho Chi Minh took out France and the US military using illiterate peasants with Ak47s for God's sake!
2. Read my previious post
3. Not quite. The nazis(national socialists)practiced liberal ideologies such as property&gun confiscation, abortion, ETC and universal healthcare was used to justify it.
@mainestategop Like most conservatives these days, you are a stupid low class person who has been brainwashed by talk radio but lack any real education. Ho controlled the whole country side in the North and had China & Russia to support him. Bielski was in Belorus, where the Nazis had minimal control & they were also helped by Red Partisans. How would a few Jews here & there hold out in Germany when they were isolated in a few cities? How could Red Partisans or others help Jews stuck in Germany
1. "Cowardice is no excuse", fact remains near zero anti-Nazis were organized/willing to risk their lives for less than 1% of the population. Accept reality
2. "allies a much needed boost", STILL a drop in the bucket, the Red Army, Allied invasions, and massive bombings won the war, not partisans. Accept reality
3. "2nd french indochina war...started out with almost nothing", LOL 1940-45 beat Japan with China/Allied aid, 1945-54/55-1975 beat France/US with China/USSR aid
1. Those anti nazis who were willing to lay it down were too few. Even so that doesnt mean we should get rid of the 2nd amendment.
2. Those partisans played a major effort in the war. Despite your foolish allegations of being a tiny drop in the bucket hundred of thousands if not millions of lives were saved because of the partisans especially Jews who would otherwise been gassed and burned up in ovens!
1. "doesn't mean we should get rid of the 2nd amendent", YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE CRYING "get rid of", the reality is a SWAT team can take you and out with ease. As was the case with anti-NAZI Germans in WW2. Accept reality.
2. "Those partisans played a major effort", why because you say so? Germans and partisans up their brutality responses, over 13 million Soviet civilians died. Reality is the red army beating Germans in the East not the partisans.
4. "wrong?" mentioned "1938 German Weapons Act" a few times, read about all the NRA demand like changes here en.wikipediaDOTorg/wiki/1938_German_Weapons_Act#The_1938_German_Weapons_Act, historical reality pwn's your gossip based opinions
5. Why do you continually confuse ultr-right wing NAZIs with socialism/communism, and universal health care that adds 2 years of life to the vast majority with the SS and it's administration of the Holocaust?
@ZangaroZen 3. 1940-on China was not communist yet and they were focused more on the Korean war. They sent very little aid to Ho Chi Minh. Ho and the Viet Minh had to steal their weapons from the french. I mean they started out mainly with Bamboo spears and a few guns and in a couple of years were fully armed with captured french weapons, enough to deliever the crushing defeat at Diem Bien Phu
4. Those weapons acts contributed to the rise of Nazism including those passed by socialists in 1928.
There are countries all over the world with tighter gun laws than the U.S. They are doing fine. This argument against UHC is stupid because 1) UHC had fuck all to do with the Holocaust and 2) Countries all across western Europe have UHC and are obviously not fascist regimes. The entire argument is US- focused, mordern-centric ignorance. It's Godwin's law at work.
Huesenheimer 1 day ago
@Huesenheimer Most if not all of those countries that have tighter gun laws saw a MASSIVE increase in violent crimes after instituting those tighter laws. I am not going to defend this video, but the right to own firearms is a must for a free society. Criminals will always find a way to get guns, and they will use them, even in areas where they are not allowed or illegal. Cops have guns because they confront criminals, but criminals prey on citizens, not cops, we should be armed.
TheBelowAverageG4mer 20 hours ago
@Huesenheimer I am not worried about fascism with UHC I am worried with having to pay some other persons bills. That is bullshit. I don't care how sad the story, I shouldn't have to pay for it, against my will, that is theft...government funded, enforced, and condoned theft. I work hard for my money and I have a right to keep it.
What is wrong with having a US focused thought process when the US is dealing with a US issue?
TheBelowAverageG4mer 20 hours ago
Seriously though I would like to thank my public school education for giving me the knowlege and critical thinking ability to realize that this video is a bunch of bullshit.
Huesenheimer 1 week ago
Hahahahaha libertarians actually believe this.
Here I thought the Holocaust was the result of the Nazi Party blaming Germany's postwar economic troubles on the Jews and the antisemitism that followed. But I guess that's my fault for going to (gasp) a public school in the socialized public school system.
Huesenheimer 1 week ago
@Huesenheimer Of course is was the result of the Nazi party blaming the Jews buts the used the things demonstrated in the video as a means to an end. Where are those critical thinking skills you claim to have?
2411Hellokitty 2 days ago
@2411Hellokitty Gun control was a means to an end. Obviously it was malicious on the part of the Nazis but would it have averted the Holocaust if gun rights were intact? Probably not. The claim about UHC is ridiculous, however. It was totally irrelevent. Even if it were, that's no reason not to support it. UHC does not intrinsically create a police state. Western Europe has varying degrees of UHC today and it's obviously not caused any kind of fascist takeover.
Huesenheimer 1 day ago
@Huesenheimer Things most certainly would have been different if Jewish members of the German society had guns during Kristallnacht.
2411Hellokitty 1 day ago
@Huesenheimer Their is absolutely nothing wrong with being afraid of big government and history has shown time and time again the reasons why. If you had gotten a better education on history then you would already know that.
2411Hellokitty 1 day ago
yeah but what you didn't say is that every other country in the world has tighter gun controls so everything you said was BULLSHIT unless every country in the world is Nazi. dumb ass.
Etheoma 3 weeks ago
HAhahaha Aspergers? is that what you people are talking about? Well encyclopedia dramatica says its just a way of doctors being able to tell that your kid is going to be a jerk for the rest of his life and being able to make money off of it at the same time hahahah. btw this video is great.
xxNephlimxx 3 weeks ago
HOLOCAUST DENIER: BANNED BLOCKED AND OBLITERATED!!
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
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@Denverlibertarion Why? are you afraid you and others are going to become deniers if he is able to freely post his opinion? Do you believe his argument is so good that you must act like a crazy religious fundamentalist and shut him out? Why don't you try to help him instead of dehumanizing him like the nazi's did to people. It's so obvious the Holocaust happened that you should be able to easily convince him. I don't understand this violation of freedom of speech because of somebodies position.
Luigi84289 4 months ago
@Logistica11735 Where did he say he is running to the government for more money? He said he is aware he will have to work harder. There is only one asshole here, and not a very bright one at that! Expecting everyone to pay their fair share, as in expecting the super rich to pay the same taxes as their secretaries is not the same thing as going to the government for a handout.
SammyClammy 5 months ago
@Logistica11735 What in the flying fuck are you talking about? You are misunderstanding what i said. First of, i lost a 55k a year job when the economy crashed. I got knocked down a couple pegs, but I WILL pick myself up. I'm not asking anyone else to do it, that was my point. I am not taking a dime from the government.
umadumLib 5 months ago
@NewestFormOfSlavery Holocaust denying anti semetic libtard blocked and remove.
Aufedershein! Dont let the door slam you on your ass on your way out!
Denverlibertarion 5 months ago
@Denverlibertarion YOu call yourself a libertarian but you are a fascist fuck. You can't stand anyone voicing an opinion you don't agree with, that's a threat to a deluded prick like you
SammyClammy 5 months ago
@SammyClammy You're one to talk. Unlike you I don't want to ban guns and limit freedom and confiscate everything people have.
THE FASCISTS DID! Not surprised.
Denverlibertarion 5 months ago
@Denverlibertarion I certainly don't want to ban guns, or take anything from anyone without a real good reason.
SammyClammy 5 months ago
@Denverlibertarion Even on your youtube page you ban people from voicing opinions that aren't the same as yours. The truth is an embarrassment to you, yet you call yourself a libertarian. I shudder to think of the facist crap you would pull if you were running anything that's actually important.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy You're one to talk. Everytime i go on a liberal page I get banned simply by pointing out fact. And that liberal was banned because he denied the holocaust and spouted a bunch of shit about killing Jews. That is wheere I draw the line.
IfI were running something important There wouldnt be any chance of fascism. Unlike when liberlas are in charge.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion I looked for his comment and didn't see it is it removed? If you honestly banned a holocaust denier good for you and I am behind that I guess. If you are trying to link liberalism and holocaust denial you are stretching reason a bit, can't we just agree that he was a nutjob if he is a holocaust denier and spouted about killing Jews.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion I guess I should point out that if you are presenting as a "fact" the idea that proponents of universal heath care want to create another holocaust you should expect to be banned if people are attempting to have an intelligent, fact based conversation. If you are spamming a conversation about the pros and cons of different health care systems with insane ideas like that you should expect to be removed.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy The problem is most of them are misguided. They don't understand that there are consequences for their actions. Implementing universal healthcare has a very negative consequence. Its already shoing itself in Europe. In the UK, old and weak are denied lifesaving care. A retired cop was denied gastro bypass surgery and almost died. He finally got it only after protest from the US. What IS a fact is that universal healthcare WILL LEAD TO A LOSS OF FREEDOM AND LEAD TO POSSIBLE HOLOCAUST
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion The old and weak are bound to be denied care to a greater degree in systems that are profit motivated, what you are saying is the opposite of what actually happens. Keep in mind that if the cop got sick in the U.S. he would lose his life savings, then when he ran out of money die anyway. It is simply not a fact that UHC would lead to a loss of freedom, it hasn't anywhere else it has been tried, health care didn't lead to the holocaust and never will, that's a FACT
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy So why does the NHS deny healthcare to old and weak like Tom Condliff? Why does the Netherlands prmote involuntary euthanasia and why does the NHS let premie babies die without treatmen? Its YOU who are saying the opposite of what happens.
Herman Bourne BTW DID loose his life savings after being denied surgery to remove a malignant tumor by the NHS. UHC HAS lead to loss of freedom in Europe and elsewhere. in the UK, all sex abuse and persecution victims are considered retards.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion "in the UK, all sex abuse and persecution victims are considered retards" Bullshit, where did you get this nonsense? This is a pretty good indicator of the accuracy of your other claims.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy Psychiatrists claim there is a disease going around called Aspergers syndrome. It was coined after Hans Asperger who was a psychiatrist and a member of the SS. People with Asperger's syndrome are considered retarded and incapable of caring for themselves managing money, marrying ETC. The diagnostic criterea is that if you were picked on in school, abused as a child, are chronically unemployed (regardless of economic/personal situations) or have restricted interests you have it.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion I work with people who have been diagnosed with Aspergers, they are not considered retarded and many will take care of themselves nicely when they are adults. It's a real condition, here's a link to the criteria, autreat . com/dsm4-aspergers . html, read this and better yourself. Secondly your original claim was that all victims of abuse or persecution are "considered retards" this is plainly not true, and you are not bright enough to be in this discussion if you say that
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy So why THEN are they banned from working? Why are they restricted and abused? So much for that!
victims of abuse or persecution are "considered retards" this is plainly not true,
So WHY... Then does failure to socialize with peers become a criteria for diagnosis of Aspergers retardation? Why is it, that kids who are picked on in school are suddenly social and mental retards?
REASON# 7249 to never trust government. I guess we should also add in: Reason 12497 to homeschool
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion People with Apergers are not banned from working, many hold down jobs. It is not the diagnosis of Aspergers that prevents anyone from holding down a job, it is their inability to function due to the nature of the disease. Failure to develop normal relationships with peers is a criteria because it is a problem that people with Aspergers deal with. I pity any child who is homeschooled by the likes of you if you can't understand something like Aspergers. Were you homeschooled?
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy Please tell me where you got the idea that people with Aspergers are "banned from working". And what "aspergers retardation" is.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy You can look this up but in Britain they have panels that decide if you are capable of working. In australia as in Canada and the US people are not allowed to work if they recieve certain kinds of pensions. Especially in Australia. Also your psychiatric records and whether or not you get SSI SSDI ETC is easily obtained by third parties including employers. Employers dont like the disabled or welfare recipients.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion Your original claim was that people who have been diagnosed with something you called "Aspergers Retardation" (I have never heard this term before) are prohibited from working. This is bullshit no matter what country you are talking about.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy Asperger's syndrome. Its a form of mental retardation. And Yes people with disabilites are often prevented from working.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion You are trying to change your claim after the fact for one thing, for another thing I defy you to show me where it says that Asperger's is a form of retardation, where it is written that "people with Asperger's are banned form working". I am simply here for the amusement you are provide when floundering around and making a fool of yourself trying to defend the ridiculous things you say. Nobody has ever been diagnosed with Asperger's because they were picked on in school.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy If you think that then go read the DSM-IV
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion I have read it, you need to slow down and read it a little more carefully if you believe that a person can be diagnosed with Asperger's because they were picked on at school. As far as I know it is not "a form of retardation", you are either misinformed or making this stuff up. I am aware of people with the condition who hold down jobs so your claim that they are "banned from working" is pure bullshit.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy According to the DSM Failure to socialize with peers (Being picked on even being sexually assaulted by another student in school) Is a sign of Aspergers. I know people who were branded with it for those reasons alone. Maine and California are notorious examples. In many circles it is considered retardation/mental illness like schizophrenia and down syndrome are. Nate Tseglin for instance was banned from working and owning a home in Orange county because of it.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion "in many circles" what "circles"? It is more than likely that the faulty diagnoses you are talking about were made by minions from profit driven institutions and would be avoided entirely in a socialized health care system. Check out the kids for cash scandal if you want t fine example of how privatization promotes corruption in areas that are better overseen by elected representatives of the people.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
@SammyClammy And yet this is common as well in Australia and the UK.
Denverlibertarion 4 months ago
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@SammyClammy Better overseen by other human beings? What makes elected representatives superior to you and me? It's amazing the dualism that goes on in a lot of people's minds when it comes to the state. Elected representatives are a small group of empowered people set apart as superior and looked at as always good apparently by your eyes. All men and women are imperfect and have a tendency to act selfishly for themselves and their families. Everyone should be equal and armed. That's American.
Luigi84289 4 months ago
@Denverlibertarion You are falling for the anti-jesus agenda of Scientology when you believe in this type of nonsense. You are a science denier who is proud of his ignorance, you have no idea that you are not capable of grasping the simplest realities we face in the world today.
SammyClammy 4 months ago
A straight line political spectrum is probably not the most accurate way to gauge all the complexities and variances of government. But if i had to do so, i would start with zero government on the far right, then as you move left the size and scope of gov't increases. If extreme forms of government exist on both the right and the left, then what is in the middle according to you? Where does America (The most capitalistic country ever) sit. It would seem according to you, that it (cont)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib, (con't)
4. "straight line political specturm...not the most accurate...gauge...variances of government", like it or not the general terms are LEFT and RIGHT
5. "if i had to do so, i would start with zero government on the far right...move left...scope of gov't increases", your pet definitions are your own
6. "what is in the middle?", AGAIN Leninism(far left) Maoism, Communism(left), Socialism(middle), Capitalism(right), Libertarian, Anarchy, Monarchy, Fascism(far right)
(con't)
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen I love how, in your mind, when a communist country strays slightly from State ownership of everything and dabbles in capitalism, it FLIPS polar opposites into Fascism. While a capitalist country can stray vastly from its capitalist roots and remain far right wing. LOL. It seems like you are the one with the 100% criteria...
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen "AGAIN Leninism(far left) Mao..Comm..." YOU'RE WRONG! And you just "PWN'ED" yourself! Your first "spectrum" had Stalinism to the left of Mao and Communism, and now you put Lenin.. The two are not interchangeable, they differed greatly. You also said that anarchy can lead to a dictatorship, whether it be Fascist, Communist or a Monarchy (and i agree), but where is Communism on the right? Shouldn't it be close to Anarchy? YOUR "PET"SPECTRUM MAKES LITTLE SENSE.
umadumLib 6 months ago
ZangaroZen Dude you spout so much shit its not even funny... I WILL PICK EVERY ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS APART TOMORROW WHEN I HAVE TIME:) I n the mean time take a step back and realize that you do not know everything, and try to acquire some LOGIC.
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangarooZen Capitalism is not Fascism, its only a small part. You keep ignoring what really matters. Complete state ownership of wealth, property, all land, business, industry and distribution etc, IS Communism, and it is EVIL BY NATURE. THERE IS NO FREEDOM UNDER COMMUNISM AT ALL!!!
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib,
1. "Capitalism is not Fascism, it's only a small part", it's the CORE and thus MAIN part. You've already conceeded fascism sits on right wing captialism, while left wing communism doesn't. AGAIN capitalism is an economic system that sits under many right wing ideologies including fascism, but NO left wing ideologies. BASIC
2."Complete state ownership...IS Communism", reread point 1
3. "you spout so much shit...try to acquire some LOGIC", LOL more BS empty opinions. NO SPECIFICS EVER
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen You say. " capitalism sits under many right wing ideologies...but NO left wing ideologies.BASIC" Did China stop being left wing when it started implementing capitalist principals? How about Cuba? Are they extreme right wing forms of government now? When a small change in economics causes a complete polar flip on your political spectrum, maybe you should question it.
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib, (con't)
11. "Did China stop being left wing when it started implementing capitalist principals", YES. BUT you still think China is communist. Does the state own everything. NO. Is there a dictator? YES. Sounds like a growing Fascist state. Scary as fascism is efficient. Look where China was and is now.
12. "How about Cuba", their capitalist policies are minor, unlike China
13. "small change in economics" LOL from complete state ownership to free markets is NOT a small change
(con't)
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen GREATEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLDS HISTORY. Our system has been perverted over the decades and needs to be restored, and that time is coming.
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen ..regimes that had a cult of personality, militarism, and people who stood against the State were slaughtered by the millions!!! In America my government's kept in check (though not like it used to be) through all the checks and balances and separation of power, etc, AND we have a free market. The key is keeping the government in check, so the people may be free to live as they choose. There is no perfect system, but Capitalism structered in a Constitutional Republic is by far the
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib, you say:
1) "people who stood against the state were slaughtered by the millions", hardly, the vast majority of victims weren't dissidents
2) "Capitalism structured in a Constitutional Republic is by far the GREATEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT", when has America done a 1933-1939 German or 1982- Chinese economic/military turn around? Fascism is very efficient, but with obvious corrupting down sides
3) "...perverted over decades", thank Regan: deregulation, trickle down economics, free trade
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) production and a drop in quality of product due to inexperiance. 2) Bad reputation, ie: "That guys a dick, don't work for him." This leads to fewer options of people to hire, and hurts his company. 3) The customer no longer wants to buy his product, because of the poor quality and goes elsewhere. Without the free maket, you are nothing but a subject.
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) price, one of his competitors will, and he has to either change his business practices, or cease to be in business. Unless hes propped up by the government in some way, which has become a huge problem in America and needs to be stopped, but too many people are still sleeping.. If the business owner treets his employee's like shit, they will quit. And if he keeps doing this he will have a constant turnover of workers, which means, 1) Less experianced workers = slower (cont)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) that again.. Worst case? He FIRES you! (oh the humanity) Now you get to pick from millions of other EVIL CAPITALIST BOSSES, or YOU can start your own business, and be like roughly 70% of our economy that comes from small business, thats called free choice. Who does the Dictator 'bow' too? Answer : NO ONE! Who does the business owner 'bow' too? Answer : THE CONSUMER! (GOD THATS EVIL!) You see, if the business owner doesn't supply the best good or service for the best (cont)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen You said: "you bow to your capitalistic employer everyday". This is the most absurd comparision i have ever heard in my life, and people of your ilk spew it all the time. And frankly its not worth a moments gossip...Lets see if you can notice the HUGE differences. 1) In a Dictatorship you only have one option; go along with what the Dictator wants or he jails you and/or KILLS you. In the free market, you either do what the boss wants or he, uh, tells you not to do (cont)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) completely different from Right Wing in Europe, PERIOD.
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) Its voluntary, like minded people choosing to live as they may, but on a national level you MUST always use FORCE. "Let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution". ~ Thomas Jefferson. My belief that we should bind those in power down with the chains of the Constitution, makes me a "Right Wing Extremist", yet its that very thing that prevents extremism. MY POINT: Right Wing in America means something (con't)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) lack of a properly structured government does. Without Seperation of Power, a strict Constitution that keeps the Federal power in check, and all the checks and balances on power, you fall prey to being governed by the whims of men, not the rule of law and this becomes Tyranny. Communism (on a national scale) by nature is Tyranny, i say on a national scale because in America we have communes that work. Why? Because there is a door, you can walk in and you can walk out. (cont)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib, (con't)
3. "not...a pure fascist...Stalinism resembled a form of Fascism", why? Because you say so? Fascism and communism are opposites, AGAIN fascism rests on capitalism and corporatism, while communism rests on state ownership, and you've conceeded that economic difference which are OPPOSITES. Communism=left wing, Fascism=far right. BASIC
4. "...different economically doesn't mean anything", NO it means everything. Reread point 3.
(con't)
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
RACIST ANTI SEMETIC HOLOCAUST DENIER REMOVED AND BLOCKED.
Never do that again liberals.
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion and thats how we deal with all racist idiots.
PlatypusOmelette 5 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) Individualism. Question; Are you for a world wide gun ban? Just asking
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib, (con't)
You confuse left wing with Individualism and right wing and "bowing to [whomever]"
It's very simple:
More state ownership/control means more left wing. The extreme is complete state ownership, ie Communism.
More private ownership/control, even by a wealthy few, means more right wing. The extreme is Fascism.
"World wide gun ban", NO. Guns have legitimate uses (police, military, hunting, sport, etc). Guns should be licensed like cars. Training, tests, etc. Safety first.
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen and Individualism (which is surely right wing) is what stands in the way of all Tyrants. You cannot conquer people that you do not control, and self governing, well educated, free people can only conquer themselves by ceasing to be just that. The Nazis got you to bow to the state, thats left wing. They wanted you to serve the state for the "greater good", again left wing, NOT Individualist, but collectivist. BASIC Their goal was for everybody to think alike, the opposite of (cont)
umadumLib 6 months ago
@umadumLib, you say:
1. "Individualism (which is surely right wing)", the ultimate expression is anarchy, problem is anarchy has never been pratical in human history; eventually a strong group will take over. If it's a dictatorship, it can go either communism and state ownership, or fascism and capitalism
2. "cannot conquer people...self-governing, well educated, free people" LOL happens all the time, most wars
3. "bow to the state, that's left wing", you bow to a capitalistic emplorer every day
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
You neglected to mention that Prescott Bush, Geo Dubya's grandfather, did business with I.G. Farben and helped to set up a Swiss shell company so that he could continue to make profits from the "liberal" gas chamber designers after hostilities with Germany broke out. Prescott Bush was also a founding member of the liberal, genocidal group Planned Parenthood. Certainly Prescott Bush was a proponent of eugenics.
MrBushlied 6 months ago
@MrBushlied The Bush's are hardly conservative or American. Bush SR. Is pro New World order and was even openly pro choice during the seventies and supported roe V Wade. Im not surprised.
illinoislibertarian 6 months ago
@illinoislibertarian Real Libertarians are always pro-choice. Conservatives belief that life beings at conception and ends at birth.
MrBushlied 6 months ago
@MrBushlied What choice does the unborn life have? Should we choose to murder anyone we wantbecause they arent convinient?
illinoislibertarian 6 months ago
@illinoislibertarian The choice of a existing conscious person trumps the choice of fetus that has no consciousnesses or rationality. No fetus can defeat us! A true libertarian would not force a woman to carry a pregnancy that she does not want to full term, a right wing, fascist, holy ro0ller, hypocritical GOP would.
MrBushlied 6 months ago
@MrBushlied Terri Schiavo comes to mind.
illinoislibertarian 6 months ago
What about the countless countries with gun control, and did not have a attempted genocide, along with those with poor gun laws, and seem to have a fetish for war. Is there a correlation there?
quedorf 6 months ago
@quedorf 1. They haven't had them.... YET. And those countries also have corrupt governments most of which suppress basic liberties we take for granted in this country. And when the Euro Peons for instance instituted gun control, crime sky rocketed.
those with poor gun laws, and seem to have a fetish for war
The USA doesnt have poor gun laws unless you count states like NH VT ME ETC. that have low crime rates and are libertarian and are generally opposed to the war.
minnesotastategop 6 months ago
@minnesotastategop The US has ludicrous gun laws. the simple fact alone that each state or city none the less, have different gun laws is in itself a poor system of laws.
What countries have gun control and corrupt government? Canada. Most European countries? And the crimes skyrocketed claim is false. All these European countries have much lower violent crime than the US...
quedorf 6 months ago
@quedorf So why does a state with no gun laws New Hampshire have such low crime rates and almost no homicides while DC Chicago and LA which have gun laws have mass murder on the streets?
And whether or not crime is lower in europe the fact remains that when anti weapons laws were enacted crime increased. Any bloke who wants to swag a tosser with "flash fawley" or "pinch a bob" can go to east london and get a piece from Jem "homie G" Botting for half their welfare pension. Gun laws dont work.
mainestategop 6 months ago
@mainestategop I ask the same question in a larger scale. Why does countries like most of Europe, and Canada with good gun laws, have much lower crime than those such as the US with lousy gun laws.
Where is the proof that when gun laws were enacted, crime rose. Only times I hear that argument, there are reasonable explanations...........
quedorf 6 months ago
@mainestategop ..........For example the fact that the UK changed the recording system for crimes when the gun laws were implemented, and this gave the impression of a raise in crimes, when in fact crime decreased. Or the foolish, yet regularly debunked Australian crime "facts", where numbers and information are played with to give a perception of a huge rise in crime.
quedorf 6 months ago
@quedorf BS the people who tried to debunk them were lying. Statistics I looked up from multiplle sources including the United nations show that certain crimes like assault and burglary were more common in the UK than in the US.
NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW SAYS CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS HAVE GUNS. HITLER EVEN STATED THAT IT IS NECCESARY TO DISARM CITIZINS TO CONTROL THEM. IT IS BETTER THAT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS HAVE GUN SO THEY CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM CRIMINALS AND TYRANICAL GOVERNMENT
Nice try!
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion You do realize that you are sounding desperate. It is a fact that the Australian facts are manipulated to sound worse than they really are. And you are aware that the UK and the US have different crime policies. What is considered a assault in the US is not the same as in the UK.
And you so desperately want the last part of your statement to be right, you will deny any proof to the opposite. Your Hitler idea is a text book "guilt by association" fallacy
quedorf 6 months ago
@quedorf There is no desperation. People like you have been conditioned to believe that government is God and your parent. You cling to this idea and are the one who is desperate. You know... I know... That unarmed citizens are excellent slaves. So if the UK has different definitions of crime than why should we trust them when they say that it is better to be unarmed and at their mercy? YOU on the other hand will not stand for it. That last part was an emphasis on what I had said earler.
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion No.. People like me don't FEAR the government, as people like you do. And slaves are people who lack rights. Rights such as the freedom to visit places, like for example Cuba.
And just so you know. You can make the claim that people are at the mercy of the government, and slaves, but that still does not make it true, so if you want to make reasonable arguments, try to stick to facts, not opinion................
quedorf 6 months ago
@quedorf slaves are people who lack rights. BEcause they are unarmed.
Its happened everytime in history. When guns are regulated or outlawed. The first gun laws were passed to disarm blacks, they had the same thing in Germany and South Africa along with China.
You are the one who desperately wants it to be true. You are so worked up about armed patriots defending themeselves. History is on our side. It has never been kind to gun grabbers like you.
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion No. You are incorrect. Lacking rights are as simple as that. Lacking rights. As an american, by your definition, you are a slave, firearm or not. You do not posses rights to travel where you please, or use whatever drugs you choose to legally.
And it is also a good thing that you are a poor judge of character. I own many guns, and have for as long as I can remember. The pro gun people ALWAYS assumes that because one can think for themselves they are anti gun.
quedorf 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion I never said guns should be banned. I said your ideas are ludicrous.
quedorf 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion ........ As far as the different definitions of crime, you are correct that you should not take this as proof that gun control works. But the preponderance of the evidence, shows that it does. Very few people will make the claim that the US does not have a gun problem.
And again no matter how you try to twist it, the Hitler statement was a logical fallacy. Hitler loved his mother dearly. So I guess under your logic people should hate their mothers.
quedorf 6 months ago
@quedorf Very few people will make the claim that the US does not have a gun problem.
Because were talking illegal guns in states where they are not even allowed IE: Chicago
Hitler loved his mother dearly. So I guess under your logic people should hate their mothers.
Big difference. An unarmed man is an enslaved subject, an armed man is a citizen. Know guns, know rights, no guns no rights.
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion, you say:
1. "Very few people will make the claim that the US does not have a gun problem...talking illegal guns in states where they are not even allowed IE Chicago", Chicago is a city not a state. You ignore 55,000 gun injuries/deaths/suicides annually. How would you reduce that figure?
2. "An unarmed man is an enslaved subject, an armed man is a citizen", what BS, by your logic the majority of Americans are slaves. When did you use a gun to enforce your citizenship? NEVER
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
Hahaha! This is ridicoulous!
TheRiffCalendar 6 months ago
Lets not forget that the Nazis & Holocaust were helped immensely by a 1000 year history of Christian antisemitism. The 1st Holocaust in German against the Jews happened during the Crusades & was done by pious Christians. The Nazis had no end of non German, non Nazi helpers because of that ingrained hatred of Jews
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
This is a classic example of someone breaking Godwins Law. As a Jew who lost relatives in the Holocaust, you are insulting the victims and memory of the Holocaust for your cheap domestic political ends.
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
Germany had universal healthcare decades before the Nazis existed. So your point is what exactly? Making shit up again are we? Let me try some - Nazis wore shoes. You know who else wears shoes? YOU! Therefore YOU are a Nazi. Also, gay guys wear shoes, so you're a dick sucking Nazi! Oh yeah, child molestors wear shoes too - so that makes you a dick sucking Nazi child molestor! Gosh, this is fun! One last one - morons wear shoes which makes you a dick sucking Nazi child molesting moron!
oldfartrants 6 months ago
@oldfartrants You didnt get it right. The point is that because the Jews were not armed they could not defend themselves from the government. Hitler himself even stated:
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
- Adolf Hitler
THAT... is the essence of gun control.
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion So what does that have to do with universal healthcare?
oldfartrants 6 months ago
@oldfartrants You'll see in later episodes. But for now you should watch the movie psychiatry an industry of death. Its on youtube for free.
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion How long do you think the Jews could have held out against ruthless well trained soldiers even with guns? They were isolated in a country run by others
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 Well... Well...
How long do you think the Jews could have held out against ruthless well trained soldiers even with guns?
Why dont you ask the vietnamese? The North Vietnamese to be exact! AND the French resistance and the Bielski Otriad amongst others that held out.
The night of broken glass would never have been attempted along with other state funded/sanctioned acts if the Jews and good Germans were armed.
mainestategop 6 months ago
@Denverlibertarion, that's a great quote, and it's mentioned numerous times in your YouTube BLOGs and a few right wing sites, problem is it's not in "Mein Kampf"or any Hitler known speech, so WHEN AND WHERE EXACTLY DID HITLER SAY THAT if ever AND WHO EXACTLY WAS HE REFERRING TO? Ever person claiming that quote has gone silent when asked for a REPUTABLE source.
The 1938 Germany Gun laws, encouraged German citizen gun ownership, NOT the reverse as you claim.
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
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@Denverlibertarion, that's a great quote, and it's mentioned numerous times in your YouTube BLOGs and a few right wing sites, problem is it's not in "Mein Kampf"or any Hitler known speech, so WHEN AND WHERE EXACTLY DID HITLER SAY THAT if ever AND WHO EXACTLY WAS HE REFERRING TO? Ever person claiming that quote has gone silent when asked for a REPUTABLE source.
The 1938 Germany Gun laws, encouraged German citizen gun ownership, NOT the reverse as you claim.
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@oldfartrants, ROFLMAO, funny how dishonest one side is in their logical fallacies, but when their techniques are applied to them equally and fairly, the idiocy of their original claims are clearly exposed as wishful nonsense.
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@oldfartrants Germany had universal healthcare decades before the Nazis existed
Oh? It could be decades before mass killings start here in America. WE have had healthare here for some time as well.
nebraskastatepatriot 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen (cont) government and protect our nation from a marauding general, and so far its worked. Back to Hitler's quote, " The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall." ....... Therefore the most foolish mistake we as free people could make would be to turn in our firearms...Who's side are you on??
umadumLib 6 months ago
GREAT JOB!!
illinoislibertarian 6 months ago
@denverlibertarion You forgot to mention Bro, The liberal Germans confiscated the insurance money owed to the Jews because according to them, they started the riots. That sounds a lot like what the liberal media today said about violent attacks on the teaparty and the minutemen.
mainestategop 6 months ago
@mainestategop YES! THANKYOU!
Denverlibertarion 6 months ago
@mainestategop Sorry , the ones who confiscated the insurance weren't liberal Germans, they were Nazis, you right wing jerkov. The liberal Germans back then were the Jew's friend, Like I said on the other thread, your paranoia and ignorance are only exceeded by your dishonesty,
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 Look up the definition for the acronym Nazi. You'll see.
Goodwins law does not apply to discusions on the causes of the holocaust IE: Citizen Disarmament, classifying Jews as diseased and then using government healthcare to "treat" their diseases with slavery, torture and death.
you are insulting the victims and memory of the Holocaust
Bullshit. Im doing them a favor so is Denverlibertarian. We are warning others so this doesnt happen again.
mainestategop 6 months ago
@mainestategop, acronym for NAZI or NSDAP? "NationalSOZIALISTISCHE Deutsche Arbeiterpartei", meaning "National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party". What's your huge trump point you think you're so proud of having?
You say "Citizen Disarmament", the COMPLETE OPPOSITE, read up on "1938 German Weapons Act". Everything ultra-right wingers want for all citizens.
You say "using government healthcare", WRONG the holocaust was administered by the SS
You have ONLY empty opinions/gossip NEVER ANY FACTS
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@mainestategop, sounds a lot like attacks on American Muslims and the anti-2-blocks from ground zero Mosque movement.
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
Here is the facts:
1: A scared person untrained to use the weapon is 10x more likely to kill their own family by their own stupidity than a intruder.
2: crooks are not listed in the FBI Database, you don't know who has guns or don't in the black market.
3: Overall population death is currently 8.38% per 1000. Top 10 is medical causes in 2011.
There goes the anti-gun pitch again. Sorry charlie's you need to find something else to protest about to win your argument.
PatriotTexas 6 months ago
@PatriotTexas, (con't) you say:
1. "keep loaded weapons...no accidental shootings...your opinion only without facts" read cdcDOTgov/NCHS/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf 25,000 accidental gun injuries/deaths per year, dispite you and your grandmother
2. "scared person untrained", most gun owners lack any training, good point. Want a gun license then pass SERIOUS GUN TRAINING
3. "don't know who has guns", ie trigger happy reactions, good point
4. "death...top 10 is medical", your point?
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen Oh god! YOU AGAIN!? You're more annoying than that goth chick TheAsov hangs with in Chicago.
nhstategop 6 months ago
@nhstategop, "that goth chick TheAsov hangs with in Chicago", don't know what nonsense you're going on about as per your usual idiotic babbling.
As "annoying" as you claim others are, you've always lacked the self control required to stop yourself from renewing contact with a nonsensical comment. Next time take a page from someone with a backbone. For instance when was the last time I contacted your annoying self first?
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz, 3rd post to your 2 posts,
"Charlotte NC.Car jacking...NC law...concealed carry...rate...went down over night", now show some honesty and add in the increase in accidental gun injury/deaths/suicides, and conceed the overall death rate went up with more gun ownership as national and state statistics prove
You say "should we ban cars", unlike guns, travel is a necessity. Car deaths have decreased through safety features/training, DUI laws, etc. Similarly gun license training is key.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen The" should we bad cars" is just an example of another idiotic idea like baning guns! If we are going to ban all gun ownership for legal law abiding people then we should band them for law enforcement as well. Just look up the number of cops who have lost it and killed them selves and or family members with there issued weapon. If U take guns out of the hands of those who follow the law then your leaving them at the Mercy of those who dont. Maybe this is fine with you but not for me!
zLOSTNOMOREz 7 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz, very bad analogy. Cars and guns are completely different. Transportation is a necessity, guns aren't
Think I have a gun license/guns?
You're the only one suggesting "ban all gun ownership"
As for "look up the number of cops who have lost it", yes cops have the highest rate of gun accidents/deaths, dispite extensive training. Why? Constant gun usage and probabilities
"who follow the law", you still don't get it, 100 time more accidental injury/deaths, then self protection
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen UR posts R implying baning guns. "very bad analogy. Cars and guns are completely different. Transportation is a necessity, guns aren't" This is a very good analogy because cars,like guns are not a necessity, they are something that we think we must have therefor we have a reason to own one.
You dont have to have a car to live your life nor do you have to have a gun but when you need one or the other then that need explains the reason. Both can save or end your life.
zLOSTNOMOREz 7 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz, you say "a very good analogy because cars, like guns are not a necessity", and how would all products and people be moved around? By horse? Again equating gun lto driving licenses is a very bad analogy. 70% of Americans live their whole lives without owning a gun, and most owners seldom use their guns, but 100% rely on transportation. Again bad analogy, worst than bad, deliberately honest.
Transportation's objective is moving things NOT death. Death is a gun's purpose.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@Denverlibertarion, if it wasn't for maineGOP posting to me and featuring your video, I'd never have seen this video.
Do you realize you're playing scenes from a movie about an ultra right wing fascist government?
What movie are the scenes from? As usual no links.
If more guns means safer, then why is the US with it's zillions of guns, the world leader in incarceration, gun deaths/suicides/accidents?
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen There is no such thing as a "right wing fascist."
Fascists are SOCIALISTS.
All socialists are on the left.
Please check your dictionary before you pop off again.
Thank you.
mbabist01 7 months ago
@mbabist01, you say "there is no such thing as a 'right wing fascist'", and what are all the neo-nazis? Left wing socialists? LOL. No right wing fascists.
Fascism rests on top of a mostly capitalist economy, capitalism meaning it's right wing, not a left wing government controlled economy which is the complete opposite or communism. VERY BASIC. You've been pwn'ed/schooled but go ahead and check a reputable dictionary or encyclopedia for verification and "popping off again". You're welcome.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen I have.
You're still wrong.
Go consult your chimp-in-chief on this one.
He's as fascist as anything.
mbabist01 7 months ago
@mbabist01, you say "I have", then please provide a REPUTABLE link that states NAZIsm amounts to a left wing ideology in which the economy is not mostly free market. YOU CAN'T.
All you got is your empty baseless opinion declared as fact and lame insults like "chimp-in-chief".
If it makes you feel better Fascism is to right of capitalism, while socialism is between capitalism and communism as so:
communism - socialism - capitalism - fascism
You've been schooled/pwn'd. You're welcome.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen I have.
You're still wrong.
Go consult your chimp-in-chief on this one.
He's as fascist as anything.
mbabist01 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen HAVE YOU EVER VISITED EARTH?
You call state sanctioned pogroms, property confiscation and herding people into camps free markets?
Even George Orwell couldnt be as crazy as to think THAT up. Not even Joe Stalin would buy that crap.
Denverlibertarion 7 months ago
@Denverlibertarion, you say "state sanctioned pogroms, property confiscation and herding people into camps free markets?...George Orwell couldnt be as crazy as to think THAT up. Not even Joe Stalin would buy that crap", is that all you can muster made up nonsense?
The targetted groups you refer to amount to less than 1% of the population, leaving 99% living in a right wing capitalistic society that NAZIsm is.
AGAIN where's your reputable link claiming NAZIsm is not right wing? You got none.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen everything thats coming out of your mouth is nonsense.
biddefordgop 7 months ago
@biddefordgop, you say "everything thats coming out of your mouth is nonsense", everything? That's an aweful lot and yet YOU CAN'T QUOTE ANYTHING SPECIFIC. NOTHING. How epically weak, Typical of someone that can only muster empty declarations and insults, after a brutal pwning.
Hike up your skirt, grab your balls and surprise everyone but QUOTING EXACTLY one piece of "nonsense", either that or conceed you can't and have been pwn'ed, or run away with your tail between your legs.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen If more guns means safer, then why is the US with it's zillions of guns, the world leader in incarceration, gun deaths/suicides/accidents?
You seem to forget tht all those things occur in states and cities With tight gun control and no rights for law abidiing citizens to own guns. New Hampshire has almost no gun laws and is constantly marked down as the safest state in America.
Contrast that with Massachusetts California, New York and Illinois which are dangerous and allow no guns.
Denverlibertarion 7 months ago
@Denverlibertarion, you say "all those things occur in states and cities With right gun control...Massachusettes, California, New York and Illinois", WRONG BS delusional decree. Reality rate/100,000 is: MA=3, NY=5, IL=10 CA=10 versus AL=16 TN=16 MT=17 AK=17 LA=19
Even if your claims were true, which they aren't, it doesn't change the fact that America has the highest gun ownership, incarceration, gun deaths/injuries/suicides rates, etc in the world, a fact you didn't dispute. (con't)
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@Denverlibertarion, (con't)
next time take a google second to confirm your wishful thinking, as trading opinionated nonsense with other like minded people in an echo chamber doesn't amount to truth but a concensus of delusion.
The reality is more guns means more deaths at all levels and worse crime, not less, as the anti-gun versus pro-gun states showed in my last post.
As for New Hampshire it has half the gun ownership of AL and AK, and only 6 deaths per 100,000 not 17 and 19 respectively.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen
If someone broke into your home carrying a weapon and you realized that (by their actions towards you or family members) they had every intent to do you and your family bodily harm. Which would rather have, a gun to defend yourself or a phone to call for help?
zLOSTNOMOREz 7 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz, you don't say what kind of "weapon" in your rigged case. Assuming a jack knife, that's dwarfed by a kitchen steak knive, and a baseball bat would cripple anyone swinging a jack knife. Now what? In reality, family and criminals tend to flee each other.
The basic issue with your example is it's misleading BS.
For every family protected by a gun, 100s of others are accidentally hurt/killed and murdered by guns. Yet you'd opt for a 100 fold odd increase in tragedy for false security
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen So rather than having something to insure the survival of yourself and those you love you would rather take your chances with a bat or large kitchen knife rather than having the very best weapon to defend yourself with in case of a home invasion. This is the mindset of a victim.
The only false security here is thinking that what you mentioned would be enough to save your life!
zLOSTNOMOREz 7 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz, you still don't get it.
Guns in the home means a 100 time probability of accidental injury/death. Meaning every time a family successfully defends itself, there are 100 cases of accidental tragic injury/death. Only a moron would risk 100 family members to deal with 1 criminal.
"mindset of a victim", versus a moronic 100 to 1 chance gambling wimp?
"false security", as in guns=security, the reality is more trigger happy people, criminals included, and more tragedy.
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen If I really intend on killing somebody, I DON'T NEED A GUN AND THAT IS FACT !!!!. The average house is so full of lethal weapons from the garage to the kitchen you could be killed a alot ways and make look like a accident. As for your idiotic theory anti-gun theory. From my grandmother to me has keep loaded weapons in the house and no accidental shootings, it is your opinion only without facts to back it up.
PatriotTexas 6 months ago
Respond to this video... The only trigger happy people is scared rabbits like you using it as a scare tactic. A gun is a tool, you pull a weapon on somebody. You have made a choice to defend yourself with lethal force if need be, or simply grab the son's baseball bat and beat their head into pulp. You tell me which is a more merciful death. Personally I like the baseball bat due to no ammo cost.
PatriotTexas 6 months ago
@PatriotTexas, you say "The only trigger happy people is scared rabbits", well that's what happens when everyone is rattling their guns, nobody wants to be the second person to pull the trigger. Every year many more people/family are mistaken for burglers, for every burgler.
You say "A gun is a tool", like a shovel? How many people are accidentally killed by shovels?
You say "beat their head into pulp...which is more merciful death", excessive force is a criminal act not mercy.
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz, (con't)
Gun activitists, which you seem to be, think they're tough/macho, and those without guns are wimps. The opposite is true. Think about it. You can't bare the thought of being without your security blanket crutch of massive firepower to overwelm another. Take your gun away and the macho fascade vanishes. You're scared shitless. You got some nerve declaring those that forsake guns for a kitchen knife, bat, or going in with fists as "mindset of a victim" wimps. Hilarious irony
ZangaroZen 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen Years ago in Charlotte NC.Car jacking was huge problem city wide with news of such every night but after NC law allowed for concealed carry, the rate of carjackings and violent crimes went down over night. "For every family protected by a gun, 100s of others are accidentally hurt/killed and murdered by guns. Yet you'd opt for a 100 fold odd increase in tragedy for false security" This argument could also apply to autos,should we ban cars as well?
zLOSTNOMOREz 7 months ago
@ZangaroZen An 'ultra right-wing fascist' government? You've GOT to be kidding. You really believe that horseshit? No sense of history? Of course not. This 'NAZIs were right-wingers' stuff is total crap - a leftist meme that couldn't be further from the truth. You might want to look up the translation of 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei' and get back to us. Dope.
wdorrity 6 months ago
@wdorrity, listen to your empty opinons "...GOT to be kidding...believe that horseshit? No sense of history? Of course not...right wingers'stuff is total crap...leftist meme that couldn't be further from the truth", your best babbling nonsense decrees you can muster? Sad.
You declare "look up the translation of 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei'", don't have to my German is good enough, NSDAP translates to "National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party". Your history point "Dope"?
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@wdorrity Leftist believe in the equality of all people and races. How can one be a leftist when they believe in exterminating and enslaving whole races? The Nazis never even abolished the hereditary nobility or broke up their estates. They exploited some leftist rhetoric to win desperate workers' votes but did them in when he got power. Why don't you read a history and a political science book or two so you won't sound like a typical conservative dumb ass?
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991, read your 5 recent posts, all bang on:
1. Jews were less than 1% of the German population, with or without guns the Jews that didn't flee ended up in death camps
2. NAZIs are ultra right wing, not socialists/liberals/left-wing
3. Stating personal opinions as fact, interchanging NAZI for liberal, and Holocaust for Universal Healthcare, all very "cheap domestic political ends" dishonest
4. NAZIs were supported by and helped the weathy/industrialists and hereditary nobility
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen 1. They could have help from anti nazi germans. Like I told dawn of the braindead991 he should do research on the Bielski Otriad, the Viet Minh, the french partisans and other movements. Ho Chi Minh took out France and the US military using illiterate peasants with Ak47s for God's sake!
2. Read my previious post
3. Not quite. The nazis(national socialists)practiced liberal ideologies such as property&gun confiscation, abortion, ETC and universal healthcare was used to justify it.
mainestategop 6 months ago
@mainestategop Like most conservatives these days, you are a stupid low class person who has been brainwashed by talk radio but lack any real education. Ho controlled the whole country side in the North and had China & Russia to support him. Bielski was in Belorus, where the Nazis had minimal control & they were also helped by Red Partisans. How would a few Jews here & there hold out in Germany when they were isolated in a few cities? How could Red Partisans or others help Jews stuck in Germany
DawnOfTheDead991 6 months ago
@mainestategop, your points:
1. "anti-NAZI germans", and how many were organized/willing to risk their lives for less than 1% of the population? Near zero
2. "Bielski Otriad" drop in the bucket in a USSR border area
3. "Viet Minh" backed entirely by USSR and China, hardly lone AK47 peasants. DISHONEST
4. "property&gun confiscation, abortion, ETC", WRONG reverse is true for gentiles/citizens AGAIN google "1938 German Weapons Act"
5. "universal healthcare...justify it", BS, the SS isn't the same
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen 1. Cowardice is no excuse
2. quite a drop! Soldiers and equipment for the war effort were disrupted and it gave the allies a much needed boost.
3. Not initially! Especially during the 2nd french indochina war when they started out with almost nothing and had to work their way up.
4. wrong?
mainestategop 6 months ago
@mainestategop, you say:
1. "Cowardice is no excuse", fact remains near zero anti-Nazis were organized/willing to risk their lives for less than 1% of the population. Accept reality
2. "allies a much needed boost", STILL a drop in the bucket, the Red Army, Allied invasions, and massive bombings won the war, not partisans. Accept reality
3. "2nd french indochina war...started out with almost nothing", LOL 1940-45 beat Japan with China/Allied aid, 1945-54/55-1975 beat France/US with China/USSR aid
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen
1. Those anti nazis who were willing to lay it down were too few. Even so that doesnt mean we should get rid of the 2nd amendment.
2. Those partisans played a major effort in the war. Despite your foolish allegations of being a tiny drop in the bucket hundred of thousands if not millions of lives were saved because of the partisans especially Jews who would otherwise been gassed and burned up in ovens!
mainestategop 6 months ago
@mainestategop, your 3 posts:
1. "doesn't mean we should get rid of the 2nd amendent", YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE CRYING "get rid of", the reality is a SWAT team can take you and out with ease. As was the case with anti-NAZI Germans in WW2. Accept reality.
2. "Those partisans played a major effort", why because you say so? Germans and partisans up their brutality responses, over 13 million Soviet civilians died. Reality is the red army beating Germans in the East not the partisans.
(con't)
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@mainestategop, (con')
4. "wrong?" mentioned "1938 German Weapons Act" a few times, read about all the NRA demand like changes here en.wikipediaDOTorg/wiki/1938_German_Weapons_Act#The_1938_German_Weapons_Act, historical reality pwn's your gossip based opinions
5. Why do you continually confuse ultr-right wing NAZIs with socialism/communism, and universal health care that adds 2 years of life to the vast majority with the SS and it's administration of the Holocaust?
ZangaroZen 6 months ago
@ZangaroZen 3. 1940-on China was not communist yet and they were focused more on the Korean war. They sent very little aid to Ho Chi Minh. Ho and the Viet Minh had to steal their weapons from the french. I mean they started out mainly with Bamboo spears and a few guns and in a couple of years were fully armed with captured french weapons, enough to deliever the crushing defeat at Diem Bien Phu
4. Those weapons acts contributed to the rise of Nazism including those passed by socialists in 1928.
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