Heartland Libertarian Presidential Debate Part 2

[oldhacks]

not SPAM!

[oldhacks]

listen to how highly Mike speaks of the Libertarian party. Not pandering. He's stating real issues that are Libertarian positions that he believes in and why he's proud to be a part of the Libertarian party.

/watch?v=lJqiWrhzj8E

[MarkSukhram]

Jeez, I laugh at some of the comments I read here. Fighting over who is more libertarian or not.. I'm not here to bash Ron Paul, but didn't he turn down the libertarian nomination offer? Yes, he is loyal to the Republicans and that in its own says enough to me about Ron Paul. If I were Mike I probably would have done the same thing he has done, he loves his country and is willing to do anything to try and save it, that tells me more than enough about him. PS. Mike is light years ahead of RP.

[egosumabbas]

Ron Paul had to turn down the Libertarian Party nomination due to legal reasons: he was also running to preserve his congressional seat. Since Mike Gravel isn't in congress, he was relatively free to jump parties. Google "sore loser laws".

[oldhacks]

excuses excuses. the fact is he claimed to be a Libertarian during the entire race then after you raised 20,000,000 dollars for him he turned his back on you.

Mike Gravel joined the Libertarian party because he's more of a Libertarian then Ron Paul. Ron ran as a Libertarian in 88. What's changed? excuses excuses.

[egosumabbas]

Ron Paul IS a Libertarian, he has a lifetime membership to the party. Do I have mail you the laws showing you he can't run as a Libertarian in 2008 to prove it? And as far as the conspiracy goes that he's in it for the money, he had no idea that running for president would have any success whatsoever. This is why Ron Paul endorsed Bob Barr as a Libertarian nominee.

Also: Mike Gravel joined the LP what... 1 month ago? He's also endorsed the Green candidate for president.

[oldhacks]

"Loose change" produced by Alex Jones. Alex Jones picks up after that trend faded and starts filling peoples heads with conspiracies then Ron comes and poses as the guy that's here to save us all from the conspiracies that Alex has been teaching people. Its so obvious it hurts. and the fact that you refuse to look at the facts just shows your unwillingness to actually stand up for yourself and your country.

[egosumabbas]

look if you keep lying about shit I'm going to have to ban you. (1) Alex Jones didn't make Loose Change. (2) Ron Paul denied accepting any 9/11 conspiracy theory MULTIPLE TIMES. If conspiracy theorists chose Ron Paul, they're the ones who made the made the mistake.

I'll say it again so you understand. Stop spamming lies into my channel.

[paulfor08]

Completely true. I am tired of the "conspiracy theorist" label and the trolls that repeat it.

[choosenow]

Gravel is more progressive than libertarian. But as a progressive, I support Gravel because I don't think McKinney of the Green party would make a good candidate and voting for Nader just got boring (jk).

And in all honesty, both the Gravel supporters and the people that don't believe Gravel is a libertarian are both getting obnoxious. Let's have a nice discussion about why one likes/dislikes Gravel or whatever candidate one supports. That'd be more productive than bashing.

[EncryptedSoldier]

Mike Gravel is a totalitarian piece of shit. Get his socialist ass out of my party.

[oldhacks]

You're just showing everyone how ignorant you are to the issues we face as a nation. Are gas prices a state crisis or a national crisis? Is the war in Iraq a state issue or a national crisis? Is the rising cost of living a state issue or a national issue. It's disgusting to see people not showing respect for the man that saved their ass from being sent to kill or be killed in the middle east.

ending the draft is a million times more Libertarian then anything Ron has ever done in congress.

[egosumabbas]

Actually, gas prices are a global issue-the price of gas is determined on the world market. Don't like the fact that the price of gas is going up? You could always buy a share of a petrol company as a hedge, or you could simply drive less. Cost of living? That is only a national issue in terms of inflation, otherwise, your cost of living is determined primarily by where to live. Living in the city is more expensive. I agree that the war is a national issue.

[oldhacks]

cost of living is directly effected by gas prices. How do you heat your home? natural gas is California's main weakness. All our food is SHIPPED thats oil! cost of going to WORK - OIL. man you guys that are fighting Mike's bid are just clueless. Its really embarrassing that I have to explain to you these extremely obvious details. "inflation" is not the be all answer to everything.

[dimonemon]

Bullshit! Mike Gravel is more libertarian than Ron Paul!?! *lol* This is where you lost me Mike! You are a thief! You are trying to get a piece of a revolution that you did not create - you are attempting to get this whole movement behind you just by associating yourself with libertarians. I hate that! If Ralph Nader wouldn't be running for greens, Mike Gravel would! Here's a reading list for you Mike Gravel - Bastiat, Adam Smith, Mises, Rothbard, etc. Read up and study up! mises . org

[egosumabbas]

Hey, just watch, all the Gravel fans on here are going to mod you down to -5 because they can't handle the truth.

[oldhacks]

pshh. You have yet to provide a single argument that Ron Paul is more Libertarian then the guy THATS ACTUALLY RUNNING AS A LIBERTARIAN.

[egosumabbas]

I've provided several, don't be a douche.

[oldhacks]

see what I mean overmind?

[idiotmanchild340]

Jesus tap dancing christ on Gravel claiming to be libertarian

[SSSLLLAAYYEEERRRR]

It is either write in Ron Paul or vote for R LP nominee (I think Root has the best chance to win). I liked the girl who vowed to destroy Hilary Clinton though, I would love to see any of these people(or Paul) debate Obama or Clinton. They would win the election that night. Interesting that Gravel says the question is not if you are libertarian. That is convenient since he isn't.

[egosumabbas]

That was Christine Smith. She's a real firebrand, isn't she?

[overmind25]

Gravel is the most libertarian.

[egosumabbas]

I have some oceanfront property in Oklahoma for sale. Wanna buy some?

[overmind25]

I already live by the ocean.

[oldhacks]

don't mind them overmind. They can't do simple math. Mike is about 3 stated declarations more Libertarian then Ron Paul but they'll find ways to ignore that reality at all costs.

[egosumabbas]

Let's see... Ron Paul votes down nearly every spending bill, is usually one of few people to vote no on laws that violate civil liberties, advocates the dismantling of the IRS and the Federal Reserve, calls for a return to charity care instead of socialist health care, wants to decriminalize drugs, take the government out of marriage, wants to reduce our overseas presence, is against pre-emptive war, is for legalizing different currencies, wants to dismantle the FDA to allow self-medication...

[vanashby]

Gravel is in no way ahpe or form more of a Libertarian than Ron Paul. Gravel is a one world Gevernance guy. Root would have the best chance of getting media attention and throwing money into a successful run. I think he may be a wolf in Liberty clothing but time will tell. RP in )*

[oldhacks]

Big Mike is the man! He's putting the Libertarian Party on the map in a Serious Way! Man I wish I was still in KC so I could be there to support him with my friends there.

[RationalLiberty]

go mike! I dont know about you being more libertarian than paul though. You're probably right. Hes in the republican party and your in the libertarian party. Theres a reason for that I guess.

NI4D

[egosumabbas]

Actually, Ron Paul is a lifetime member of the Libertarian party and ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988. Gravel has been in the LP for about a week.

[RationalLiberty]

o man your right. Totally forgot about that one. Thanks.

In that case, to me it seems Ron is in line with more libertarian thinking, but only because he is conservative on government.

[oldhacks]

If Ron were a man of his word he'd be running as a Libertarian today!

[egosumabbas]

He never promised to run as a Libertarian this year, in fact quite the opposite, so there was no word to break. Stop making shit up.

[oldhacks]

How many times did he claim to live by Libertarian principles? every other word was Libertarian this Libertarian that. But yet here we are watching a Libertarian debate and where is he? He's in washington writing up ear marks for his buddies.

[paulfor08]

Ron Paul is a constitutionist more than a libertarian. He does not want to legalize abortion, gay marriage or drugs on a federal level because it is unconstitutional.

You Mike Gravel fans are never going to gain support if you keep bashing Ron Paul. My advice is that you be polite and build Mike Gravel up, not tear other candidates down.