Obama: Bailed-out Firms to Slash Pay

[TheArbiter74]

Fascism: is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. THI IS THE DEFINITION FROM WIKIPEDIA!

[lifeseeker1]

What would happen if we had a 50%, 100, 200% increase in the number of PHD's?

State University for citizens to the PHD level was free? instead of buying the next Northrup weapons system?

What if our economy wasent based on consumer consumption?

Instead Education, R&D were our main commodities?

So materialistic that we now have a for-profit prison system, maybe a glorification of education would have helped.

[lifeseeker1]

Amazing, all the focus on Al-Quieda, their damage is a Mosquito prick next to the Bacteria infested Hatchet wounds our own greedy people inflict on us.

I wish the President were a true Liberal.

Use an FDR solution on the banks, it gave us 50 years of stability.

Push through SINGLE PAYER Health Care.

Event the CONSERVATIVES in CONSERVATIVE Switzerland say they would never RETURN, to the horrible US style health care system.

[pig5689]

Slash their pay? None of these greedy, incompetent executive dummies are worth ten-cents.

[Harry1s]

if a gov. buys part or all pf a private to so called up them to not fail...then massively regulates those companies and then wants to control there pay...well folks that's called fascism.

Obama and his admin. is full of fascists and socialist...Learn about them from a non-biased source and u will be amazed. Learn about all of his czars and that will explain everything u have ever heard about Obama and thought that it was just right wing BS.

[nojyt]

Wow, you're all over the place there. Obama is a fascist AND a socialist. Makes TONS of sense (sarcasm). You do realize that those ideologies are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, right? You also realize that fascists turn the government over the business, rather than nationalize business? Your definition is just way off the mark.

[betterdays105]

Thank you Mr. President for standing tall. Change indeed!

[theredpillxxx]

Can you say dictator?

[TheNewVideo]

How about all the Democrats and Obama take a pay cut in half. They are doing a lousy job and need to be punished just like they punish companies.

[wolfgangfaust]

audit the fed now or face collapse of the entire economy

limiting exec pay is horseshit compared to TRILLIONS stolen by the international bankster families that own "the fed"

watch:

"fall of the republic the presidency of Barack h Obama"

stinky whore has CONgress working 2.5 days per week because "they have no bills to pass" HR1207 has 300 co-sponsors-PASS THAT

they are not doing their "jobs"

unless their "jobs" are "fed-pimps"

PROSTITICIANS!

[WEREFEAT]

It's all in the Plan. Nationalize the banks, nationalize the car companies, nationalize all of the big corporations. Every one's employed by the gummint, in all the countries in all the world.

We will have a One World Bank, News Service, Police Force, Army and Education System.

Got a problem with that? heheheheh

[lifeseeker1]

Use all remaining TARP money for 0 interest loans or grants to start small business, enact strong regulation to prevent theft.

We must have some accountability for the $500 Trillion unregulated Derivatives market. To prevent this collapse again.

If ANYONE issues a Credit Default Swap, they must have funds to cover it!

Raise CAFE standards.

Kill NAFTA, We cannot compete with people earning $1.00/hr

Actual Ideas from a liberal to fix this mess.

No conservative offers any ideas, but taxcut.

[lifeseeker1]

Incredible, I have never found a right winger who could answer that simple question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Always they complain but never help.

How about the 1992 Swedish model, Nationalize the Banks, agree not to prosecute the staff who screwed eveything up, but they must leave. Clear the bad debts, sell the banks at a profit to private investors. Reenact the Glass-Stegall-Act. seperating Commercial & investment banks & insurance companies.

[TheNewVideo]

You are full of crapola. Conservatives want free markets and capitalism just like it was back when this country became something. More restrictions, legislation by Democrats and punishing companies will get US no where.

[lifeseeker1]

When Alan Greenspan recently said "The Model is Flawed", what did he mean?

[lifeseeker1]

I take it you have no idea what Uber Capitalist Alan Greenspan meant. By "The Model Is Flawed".

When the founding fathers tried to correct for the inherit problem in Lazier Faire Capitalism, do you understand what they were concerned about?

Unless you are at the top You & no rational person would want to live in a purely capitalist country.

Capitalism is a tool, like a hammer, it is not a way of life, somehow conservatives need to learn that.

Capitalism has to be monitored.

[TheNewVideo]

monitored ONLY to feed it and promote it. Conservatives have learned that having it full bore is always a much better alternative than doing what Democrats do to punish it and all Americans. If you think you are doing someone justice you're full of shit. Money IS the name of the game and it's morality needs to be followed not a bunch of people who make mistakes on a daily basis.

[Harry1s]

it's funny and sad at the same time to hear someone say that capitalism caused this crisis. Our government has brainwashed you people into hating capitalism so they can push there socialistic/fascist policies. They want to control private businesses and the people so they can push there big handed policies. No matter how they do it the public will lose there freedoms. Is the Capitalist way the best...yes...look at how fast how country has grown in just 50 years. No incentives = no inventions.

[lifeseeker1]

A request, on YouTube, search for " Dorgan 1999 part 2" In 1999 Sen Dorgan gave a passionate speech, almost begging the Senate not to pass Gramm-Leach act which would dismantle FDR's Glass-Stegall Act. In effect giving the Banks unrestrained capitalism. In 1999 Sen Dorgan said it would lead to Banks to big to fail, Unregulated Derivatives, Banks gambling with our money, IN 10 YEARS THE US WILL REGRET THIS! Please take a look, I want to hear your critque. REMEMBER THIS SPEECH IS FROM 1999.

[bosoko]

True Pure capitalism IS bad just as much as Socialism. There must be a balanced. The problem is that the scale is starting to tip.

[lifeseeker1]

A thoughtful statement.

I tip my hat to you.

[KosmicCitizen]

The means of production belong in the hands of workers.

[midevalcheese]

Even though I know he is LYING his ass off I appreicate the speech he just read off the teleprompter.

[wideawake123]

AIG, Citicorp, GM, GMAC, Chrysler and a few more are all owned by Obama, so he's asking Congress to cut his employee's bonuses...which They Voted to give them!

Am I the only one who see how fouled up this is? How badly this "executive" has managed our nation? But you Tim and Ben should keep printing those $100s and $50s...it's noble work you're doing destroying what Bill Clinton called "The Indispensible Nation".

[lifeseeker1]

Wideawake123, out of curiosity, if on 01/2009 you became president, & the previous President was giving $Billions to a crashing auto industry & financial market,

and you inherited 2 expensive wars

Millions were out of work & jobs losses were increasing!

& as of 01/2009 the national debt was over $10 Trillion & GROWING Daily!

What would U have done?

Dont mention Obama in you answer,

What EXACTLY how, would you fix it?

Dont give some vague Bullshit answer, EXACTLY what would you have done?

[wideawake123]

I wouldn't be the guy to ask, because I never wanted to become POTUS.

Now, was the Auto industry crashing before Gas went up to $4= a gallon? No.

As for the "expensive wars": if I campaigned on the neccessity of fighting the Afghan war, I would certainly not be sticking it to my hand-picked commander on the ground as the current executive is. Also, if I oversaw the loss of nearly 10,000,000 jobs after promising to "save or create" 3.5 million, I think I would blame the guy before me too..cont

[wideawake123]

You want specifics from me, but "Hope and Change" is worthy of your vote.

Deficit: The guy before me doubled the guy before him's deficit. I wouldnt have TRIPLED That deficit in 9 months. I wouldn't have done that, nor would I attempt a healthcare takeover, or tax cowfarts(and every other thing) in an effort to concentrate power in the central govt. SSI's unfunded debt is 36T, Medicare/caid's is around 20T. I would have started there. 55 Trillion in unfunded debt between the 3 social programs.

[lifeseeker1]

I came up with those solutions off the top of my head. You have no Ideas to offer?

How about closing the bases in Japan & Germany?

How about using the French or German models for healthcare? They are cheaper, inspire innovation, & cover everyone.

Have you no ideas?

I know, cut Taxes, but that would increase the deficit.

[wideawake123]

When you say "I came up with those solutions"..obviously you have fans because your reply was up-voted, I was wondering if you could point to those "solutions" you proposed in this thread. I said you voted for "change we can believe in", yet all I have seen so far is lies, speeches, broken campaign promises and ineptitude. Empty accolades for empty words Peace Prizes for Predator missile strikes on allied soil, and abdiction of initiative in Afghanistan. Worse job than Bush if I may say(so far).

[lifeseeker1]

Wideawake123, lets look at 35 years of conservative policy.

Reagan: MASSIVE INCREASE in Gvmt size & National DEBT over Carter, huge TAX Increase on middle & low paid workers (didnt know that did ya).

Bush 1: Tax Increase.

Clinton:Smaller Gvmt Balanced Budget.

Bush 2:Enormous increase in Gvmt & $10 Trillion National Debt & a wrecked economy!

Your Question is why Obama has not fixed in 9 months what conservative policy destroyed in a decade?

You guys really do think he can walk on water!

[wideawake123]

I have a better idea...Let's go back 45 years to LBJ, and track the downfall from there, shall we? Start with Medicare which added more unfunded debt to the mess that was SSI, and the quote:"This is something us Democrats will be able to run on for decades>.."-LBJ

Then while he was at it, he and Ted Kennedy passed the chain migration Bill that ensured that eg. a PHD from Europe would be passed over for citizenship in defference to a Mexican immigrant's pregnant, illiterate cousin...cont

[wideawake123]

Now let's look at all the wonderful impact the "Great Society" had on the country(particularly minorities).

The Welfare State.

Plantation Society.

Entitlement mentalities that have ensured the poor remain in poverty. Noone gets rich collecting welfare, but it does secure a voting block for the Left. Created Slaves to entitlements vote for promises never kept by professional politicians who raise taxes and vote themselves payraises, while pretending to care about the poor they actually OWN...

[wideawake123]

All the while fools like you fondly dream of what it would be like...how eutopian a truly socialistic society would be, selling it here to the other fools too young to remember the Soviet Union, and the failure of Socialism, and Social engineering thoughout history. Toqqueville said he feared the tyranny of the well meaning more than that of the robberbaron, for the robberbaron may someday be satisfied and relent, while the social engineers well meaning tortures never end...look it up...cont.

[lifeseeker1]

Sorry, i cannot read any more of your comments.

I enjoy debating ideas with anyone,

but if you sink to name calling,

you are unworthy of communicating with me.

Darn shame, I agree with your conclusion on the dangers of entitlement programs. I would like to have explored that further.

But people who stoop to name calling are beneath me.

I modeled the PHD program on Denmark, acknowledged as the most content society in the world.

[wideawake123]

Funny...I don't recall any name-calling on my part. I refered to those whose fantasize about eutopian societies as "fools"... To be so condescending as to say "you are unworthy of communicating with me." reflects poorly on you, and "the PHD program in Demark"(whatever That's supposed to infer) I see my well thought out responses to your (at times) CAPSLOCKED comments given multiple downvotes, while your comments which in some cases lack any substance at all given multiple upvotes. It Baffles me.

[lifeseeker1]

In 1999 I got promoted from Master Sergeant to 1ST Sergeant for the Battalion, After the cerominy the CO said 'Smooth Operations is your Strength Joe!' I told him I wont belittle anyone, the men consider me tough, but fair.

Insults will cause a conversation to loose it's focus, economist Milton Friedman would call it "noise in the lines of communication" . The message gets distorted.

That said...

[wideawake123]

Milton Friedman is turning over in his grave at what this Congress and Administration are doing. And make no mistake, this Congress Owns this Depression, and so does this Administration. The House And Senate have been Democrat majority since 2006.

[lifeseeker1]

Actually the won in Nov 2006.

Took office in Jan 2007, the economy began crashing late Feb 2007.

Joke if you like but realistictly the could not have effected a multi $Trillion economy that fast.

[wideawake123]

Let's examine that then. Since taking power, in the 2 years that followed, Besides renaming a few hundred post offices, what exactly did they do? why Was Congress' approval rating lower even than Bush's? What struck me about the Bush congress was that even when in the Minority, the democrats acted, and were treated like the majority, especially when it came to Finance. The 2004 hearing on Fanny and Freddy is here on YT from CSPAN titled "the video Dems don't want you to see". Search That.

[wideawake123]

I thought we left it yesterday with me asking you to point to all those "solutions" you proposed earlier in our thread. All I seem to be getting is evasion and you changing the subject. Well, You changed the subject and evaded in hope that I would forget I asked you to point out what you refered to. Is that the "Change" and "Hope" strategy in action? I didn't call you names either. So I'll assume you intend to continue this discussion with someone else, somewhere else...maybe Dutch Fantasyland.

[lifeseeker1]

1. Use TARP money for 0 % loans or Grants to encourage risk taking & promote startup businesses.

2. Nationalize failing banks, fix it & sell it at profit.

3. Close military bases in Japan & Germany.

4. like a 3rd world country we export RAW materials & import finished goods. Our trade imbalance is massive.

GET RID OF NAFTA (I voted for Perot).

5. Value Added Tax. to stop intercompany transfers, this is how our jobs have been exported.

6. Fair import duties.

7. I'm out of space.

[wideawake123]

At this point TARP, and the emergecy Porkulus Bill amount to about $2trillion wasted. That money should have been divided equally among the legal citizens of the USA. Period. Nationalization is Never the answer, just ask 'ze Germans.

As for getting rid of NAFTA: We import 2/3 of our oil from Canada. In other words, the benefit we derive from Canada through Nafta Far Exceeds the deficit we incur from Mexico. Start by building a wall on our southern border and watch the economy start to rebound.

[lifeseeker1]

1 request. On Youtube look up TEN TRILLION AND COUNTING please look at the 1st 3 sections only 8 minutes. They are titled AMERICAN DEBT. Incase you think its a Liberal hit job, the speakers are Newt Gingrich, (R) Sen Judd Gregg Bush Econ Advisor Allan Hubbard Bush Treasury Sec. Paul O'Neil Let me know your comments At least we will have a common reference point All source data is footnoted.

[wideawake123]

I have no intention of watching yet another PBS hackjob. Since when has "FRONTLINE" constituted anything but liberal biased reportage? Can you tell me? SSI constitutes $36Trillion in unsecured debt, and Medicare another $20T. Don't go mistaking this for some whole other thing here. I'm waiting for you to tell me when FRONTLINE, or PBS/NPR constituted anything else but Left of center ideologues? That they interview a conservative every few months means nothing to me...I watch PBS daily!

[lifeseeker1]

I'm not trying to be facetious, on the basis of the assumption you are a Conservative, I want to understand your world view. What is a ideal conservative society? On Taxes? Child labor laws? Education? Health care? Military spending? minimum wages? Unions- collective bargaining? Health care for the mentally ill? Social security? Free trade? Gay rights? Are there limits to determinism by the free market? Do conservatives simply covet material wealth? You are the teacher, go!

[wideawake123]

Rather than continuing putting onous on me, I would prefer having you list the "solution" you allegedly listed earlier in the thread. Ive asked several times now. I remember, because your statement was upvoted while my request for clarification was downvoted. I dont believe in asking 15 part questions to bully or overwhelm my respondant, nor do I refer to things that dont exist to evade answering simple ones. As I said: You want specifics from me, But "I have a plan" was good enough from Obama.

[lifeseeker1]

Good Grief!

Ok, my idea of a perfect plan.

The Amish, some Amazoian Indians, Tebetian Monks, & Masi tribes almost completely reject materialism, if that advanced world view could be married to educational advancement.... you could have advanced culture not shackled to consumerism.

2 societies have shown progress in that direction, Technological societies, not absolute profit driven, & the recession has cost them a >1 % increase in unemployment.

Laid off workers get 4yrs of aid & retraining.

[wideawake123]

Your comment made no sense at all. The Amish? Tebetan Monks? Why not add Serbian Nuns to your list? Karl Marx also rejected materialism, his ideology caused over 100million deaths last century. The Masi dont reject materialism BTW, they believe "every cow on the planet belongs to them" and have a habit of fighting wars over them. Shall we all live like forest tribes now, is that the "Change you believe in"? Was that what your man was talking about? "Retraining" in What... imaginary "Green Jobs"?

[wideawake123]

I'm not sure what an "Amazoian" is, but it sounds like it might come from the original Startrek series or something, which makes sense in a way I guess, since your "solutions" read like a cross between Startrek, "Imagine" by J. Lennon, and Communism by Vladimir Lenin...anyway, not to digress, but I suggest you rely on spellchecker while writing your Doctoral Thesis Mr. PHD. "Tibetian"? "Amazoians?"

Just trying to keep it light...Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned...we have YouTube.

[lifeseeker1]

I simply want to know, what is an ideal conservative society, what mechanism does it use to solve problems.

I have asked this over 9 times to conservatives, non will answer such a simple question?

They all tell me what they dislike about others.

[wideawake123]

I dont deal in hypotheticals, and I dont understand why you insist on promoting ideologies that are proven failures. Seriously; "reject materialism" is that the best you can do? Is that Obama's plan? What I suggest you do to get a picture of the "conservative ideal" is to read Washington's farewell address to the nation, Reagan's speech @ the '64 RNC, and just about anything from Toqueville, or Edwin Burke. Oddly enough, I have basically that same thing posted on my page, and people still ask.

[SylvesterArnold1960]

Dude, I just read you guys stuff.

Wideawake sounds like a dick, he avoids answering. Aint got no ideas I bet.

A perfect capitalist society has almost no Gvmt. If you dont pay 4 services, you dont get any, law of the jungle.

Parents work harder 4 money 4 schooling & HC 4 their children, otherwise they live in poverty.

I decide if I want to pay for someone elses kids schools through charity.

Gvmts job is to protect my property, thats what I pay taxes for. I have the right to own guns too.

[wideawake123]

Sly, I suggest you reread the thread. I answered his 1st question candidly. I wouldnt Be POTUS nor would I ever want to be. My comment was about the administration, lifeseeker made it about me. The rest of this thread has been me asking lifeseeker what he meant by "I came up with those solutions" (what "solutions"?), and him asking me 15 part question in an effort to avoid listing them. Then to come up with "Tibetian"(sic) Monks and Amazons? Really... you people voting scares me.

[SylvesterArnold1960]

Dude I read the damn threads. You never answered a single question, instead you bitch about spelling.

I saw the FRONTLINE movie, its fair, BUSH fucked us up, Obama is trying to clean up 8 years of shit, thats why u wont look!

Lifer told you 6 ideas, you pissed on them, then later said he never wrote anything.

He asked your ideas, and you dodged the question with some bullshit.

Stop acting like a stupid cunt and own up.

I voted 4 Bush, but i'm man enough to say Bush screwed us.

[wideawake123]

You know, you're right...this is all the fault of Bush and the Neo-cons. If not for them, we would never have been attacked(well, we all Know that it was the Neo-cons thewmselves who attacked on 9/11, right?) and all the rest...Sheesh dude. Your comment here is cover for a lie. The "6 ideas" you mention are like 9 comments below where he stated he had "come up with solutions". That means he fucked up, And You fucked up by butting in on an A-B conversation, so C your way the hell out of it.

[wideawake123]

This whole thread is about everything but my original comment, which began it. Now, Obama is nationalizing Banks, Finance, Industry even Healthcare and it's dishonest an exploitive. He, Pelosi, and Reid are exploiting your Stupidity to consolidate power in the central government giving cradle-to-grave control over Americans. No longer a people with a government, this is becoming a Govt. Over the people. My original comment spoke to a concern which you are to indoctrinated to fathom.

[wideawake123]

As for Libertarian ideals Sly, they are closer to what the founders of America envisioned than this whole Tibetan Monk/Amish/Amazonian thing. Necessity has been a cruel taskmaster for our Constitution, and in some cases countermanded our founding priciples. That doesn't exhonorate this administration in it's grab for power. Buying GM with nearly worthless freshly printed currency, and kicking back to the UAW was what I was talking about in the 1st place. Devalue and buy cheap is Obama's game.

[wideawake123]

Moving on to Carter we see the most inept(til now) POTUS of the last 1/2 century who's popularity ratings his 1st 6 mts in office were even higher than Obama's;

Before Carter, you had to actually have real money to buy a house. 25% was skin in the game, and invested homeowners instantly had equity. Welcome to $0 downpayments, and FHA Loan Guarantees. Watch as the US economy tanks, and interest rates climb into double digits along with unemployment. Then watch as a POTUS abandons an Ally...cont

[wideawake123]

...and nearly singlehandedly creates the 3rd Great Islamic Jihad(Yeaaaah! 3 cheers for Carter), and the mess that it has caused the world ever since. Besides the PLO, and Black September, can you name Any Fundamentalist Islamic Terror groups? Would you like to hazard a guess as to where the idea of a worldwide jihad hatched, and out of who's mouth those words came forth?

It took Reagan's policies to bring us out of Cater's "Malaise". That was Carter and the beginning of the end economically...

[wideawake123]

While the country grew economically thoughout the Reagan years, as well as GHW Bush's term, he lost because H.R.Perot split the Republican vote making Clinton the only POTUS ever elected with less than 45% of the vote. The environment created by Reagan was perfect for the tech industry explosion of the 90s and Clinton got credit while elsewhere, he cowtowed to Islamists, and empowered orgs. like ACORN, NACA, and the like. Here's the pain... CRA was the downfall of our economy...not conservatism.

[wideawake123]

While conservatives are anti-regululation generally, they did push for tighter regulation of Fanny and Freddy...the proof is right here on YT. As for the "$10 Trillion debt" you claim Bush incurred, earlier I explained that Clinton x2ed Bush's deficit, Bush x2ed Clinton's...That Obama has tripled Bush's, and done so in less than a year is my concern. It took Bush 8 years 2 wars, 9/11, the .(om crash and TARP to x2 Clinton. About those "Solutions" you "proposed", I still haven't seen them.

[wideawake123]

When you elected the Failure In Chief, you "got fired up"... voted for "Change" voted for "Hope"... You elected an empty suit and while I expected the miserable failures I have seen so far you still live in denial. A friend of mine met the Messiah, and when she speaks of it she transforms as if she had caresses the face of God. You still live in that denial and see the hype as something more than perception. Perception is why they gave this suit a Nobel. GAHNDI didnt win a Nobel!

[bloggerfl5486]

Thank you President Obama, you need to pass a federal law allowing Free and Open Communication on Saleries! This GAG ORDER that American Business have on Salaries on their workers is Just Ridicilous and needs to be stopped!

[Truthorfable]

slash them all

[TheLiberalssuckdick]

JP Morgan Chase =

$30 Billion Fed Loan

+

$25 Billion TARP Loan

+

$4.22 Billion Dollars Maiden Lane (FED Loan)

= $59.22 Billion Dollars Under The Table.

AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

JAMIE DIMON IS A CROOK who is being made the hero.

[DemonicGemini]

the rich keep gettin richer

[USAGamingMW2]

tell me about it.