@GamerWatts How does the brain believe? once its cells die and the chemical reactions cease to continue? Sucks cause once you die i wont be able to tell you how stupid you were when you slowly re-enter the carbon cycle
Hitchen's was nothing more then a comedian. He's on the other side now. I was an Atheist and I assure you both GOD and the Devil exists. What happens to a man that mocks the creator and never gives a though to the consequences. He's in GOD's hands now.
Hitchens, da big playa in atheist world! LOL. Typical for the idolator is that he upholds unnatural concepts. And that is what hitchens does, he grabs on to lower worlds, and keeps himself there. Don`t be like that, try infinite surrender, of muslim, and launch to the heavens! There is no such thing as "morality of the day". Provocative behaviour is provocative behaviour. He never talks about good conduct or nonpromiscuity, of relationships of trust. And that is clearly shaytan. ! Peace.
@ParadoxEternal unnatural concepts such as what and by what definition there is nothing but those so called lower worlds, so you had better start making it a better place beacause you are not going to be here forever and if you want your children to remember you fondly you had best leave them with more than you started with. they are your one shot at immortality as hitchens has so eliquently put it and yes there is morality of the day for example in alot of nations death penalty is gone
@benwarmaster666 There is absolutely a different way of life than ignorance in lower worlds. But then you must acknowledge that eternity is the greatest concept, and neccesary for the universe, and worship it alone. The eternal creates everything. "Believe and come to life, as Jesus said", and it should not be hard since it is very logical. My children have other concerns than me trying to be some eternal memory, in what you would claim their finite selves. Offensive thinking
Hitchens was an awe inspiring linguist.His brilliance with words will never be matched.Hitchens alone has woken the world up in rational parts of societies.He's taught us that GOD is simply our first attempt at explanation for our existence.He has also destroyed the notion of such a being.Hitchens,and science have come much further in 200 yrs.,than religion has done in 5,000+.Religion answers NO ?'s,and produces NOT one fact of reality in the scriptures.NO evidence means exactly that! R.I.P
@LovePeaceAndChronic You know your life sucks when you have to make up an imaginary friend at adulthood!!How does someone not feel like a child with such beliefs.It's well known that only children can have such friends.Grown men,and women choose to believe in a ghastly being that murders for self gratification.Can you imagine heaven past the pearly gates?I can't imagine being alive for a trillion trillion trillion trillion yrs,and that's just like the first day.F-GOD!!!
@MrAmericanzombie God told you the truth. He is the first being, and created your soul, with himself. Coherence requires God, not only a coherent universe (it is not random, randomness is whitenoise, incoherence between variables), but coherence and intelligence, consciousness, must be absolute since we can communicate and understand eachother. Disbelief is the true emperors new clothers. And you will find yourself in them soon enough, on judgement day. Peace!
@ParadoxEternal first of intelligence and conciousness are not absolute, example sleep walking, dreaming, inatentional blindness, change blindness and Dissociative personality disorder to name a few as for intelligence different theories G general intelligence, multiple intelligences , domains of knowledge and so on also bees and ants communicate and understand one another and are highly adapted to their envioronment and im afraid no one is going to be doing any judgeing, save other people :)
@benwarmaster666 Lol this is typical atheist incoherence. While anyone in practical fields understand that absoluteness must exist, because without it nothing has a reference, and no communication can be made. For instance engineers always talk about a communication protocol. It is NOT relative. LOL. woow, you are so lame. Philosophy and religion is where the atheist shows retardation. Science and a particular field yes, but the other, wow no dude. This is trash, it is feeblenes
@ParadoxEternal you know retardation is a genuine term right. how very immoral of you to appropriate it as an insult :) and i think you will find that it depends on your scientific outlook, social constructionist suggests that peoples ideas are co constructed from a process of communication, many different interptretions of the same event. a positivist would say that there is and we can uncover it from careful control of variables. and i say you cant know anything unless it is supported by data
@benwarmaster666 You come from upside down world, and probably the same thinking as these "scientists". Lol. Once these atheist scientists step out of their field, they become complete retards. A mongoloid may put up a picture of Osama and say this is Islam. But that is exactly what these scientists do.
@ParadoxEternal Islam is a complicated conceptualisation of the world that upto a billion people subscribe too, as a trainee psychologist i find them facinating. however there is research to suggest that when it comes to problem solving experts are yes just as good as everybody else but despite this they learn tranferable skills that can be utilised in other areas like logic and reason. aslo it was sicntists that created the PC's we are arguing on :), tell me what you think islam is ? curious
@benwarmaster666 Actually I think these people rather are called hackers, and engineers. Ofcourse there is practical science in this, but not outlandish claims of nonscious random design, spontenaous creation of consciousness, or "emergence". Actually there is a particular term for people who can apply that knowledge in severald fields and often attributed to the hacker. But these scientists apparently lack it.
@ParadoxEternal your right though conciousness did not just spring into existance it is the culmination of millions of years of integration of the senses ,what is your definition of hacker? i would call them cognitive scientists and AI experts. it is also interesting to note that there is nothing stable one the brain is damaged if someone had a soul would they not maintain there essence ? phinious gage who changed completely when damaged to the prefrontal cortex
@benwarmaster666 Dude think, why would millions of years of culmination have an sense of destination. This is the same randomness/emergence-from-chaos theory again .Can you really not think beyond that? Do you not understand that it needs a cause? LOL. Actually I am one of those hackers myself. That engineers things on my own, and also have skills in music and religion. So the multidiciplined is rare, but I am one of those yes. I could probably voice religion to a hacker well.
@ParadoxEternal just because something seems unlikely dose not mean that it did not happen, danial dennet proposed a mechanism for the evolution of consciosness suggesting that our ability to predict the future was usefull and therefore its development is not random but a direct responce to envioromental pressure. and if we are going to play the cause game then how do you account for the genesis of your god, his complexity , agentive abilities ? it seems you need to propose a cause for your god
@benwarmaster666 denial dennet? lol. You still fail to understand. What set that mechanism in motion? Not that I believe in it, but you seem to be far into theories, not seeing beginning or end, lol.And you go into a cause for God.Lol... This is lame. Again someone who do not comprehend the eternal. but you argue that "a process" could create God, lol.. you have issues, you should analyze yourself if anything. Can an dead object create you? ;)
@ParadoxEternal sooo your suggesting that because i dont know the original cause of the universe that i am wrong ? and that you think you do you are right and free from the burdon of proof ? if you want to use god as part of your arguement you need proof or to utilise a falsifiable hypothesis that can lead to investigation, belief is not knowledge i like how you have resorted to personal attacks it pleases me very much :), and i never suggested a dead thing did but i am made of the same atoms
@benwarmaster666 Just more incoherent mess. But it is comical that you are an atheist, and say "i dont know the original cause". That is typical atheism. Then you should be an agnostic. But no, you claim knowledge of the cause, because God is not a part of that to you. So you DO propose a cause, and that is the dead object I mentioned. Use your psychology on yourself, and find all the flaws with your own thinking, and I think the level of communication could be raised QUITE.
@ParadoxEternal :) another personal attack i must really be getting to you, a little cognitive dissonance maybe ? so you are certain that there is a devine cause for everything but you will never know because with you the buck stops at god you will never be convinced otherwise because you are already certain. if i was to find proof of gods existance i would be the first to change my mind that is the difference between us. i am atheist because god is not needed to explain reality or morality
@benwarmaster666 Yes it is a personal attack, not just observations from reality.And yeah many people ilke you are getting to me, and making me enjoy the thought of deathpenality for atheists in Iran. Apparently they have understood that they are incoherent provocative morons. Yes and you excellently back that up by claiming now God is not needed, while earlier you said that the origin was uknown. To you ofcourse God cannot have proved himself to me, decades ago.
@ParadoxEternal woooow how very moral of you to wish the deathpenalty for anyone that does not believe in your god, im flattered. it suggests to me you know you do not have a leg to stand on in this argument and so must resort to getting rid of anyone that dissagrees with you. and if you look carfully at what i said it was that god is not needed not that he didnt do it, we just have no proof that he exists, i feel it is you who needs to analyse himself and decide what is really important.
@benwarmaster666 That is moral. And why should you care. Morality of the day, remember? Again you claim there is no proof, but I already say God has proved himself to me. And YOU have no proof of atheism, and surely you don`t expect the alternative a dead object, to prove itself to you? LOL, you are again a good example of typical atheist incoherence.
@ParadoxEternal why should i care ? well as a humanist i also care very deeply for everyone on the planet, i am against the deathpenalty and as i do not beleive in an afterlife i think that makes life that much more precious and truly free. i enjoy taking to you and i learn something from each post and as atheism is a stance on unbeleif it does not require proof, if it did, it is not going to reveal itself to us we have to go out and find it, that is what it means to be truly open minded :)
@benwarmaster666 You care very deeply lol. You know nothnig about the people you pretend you care for. You represent satan to them, as indeed the 666 of your nick, and promote disbelief to their suffering. And probably homophilia and related teachings. That is how much you care.And then you talk about not needing proof, but about finding it lol, and that is openminded. Incoherent babble. You go look for your proof for no god, and claiming no god without proof in the mean time ;)
@ParadoxEternal you dont need to know anything about anybody to have unconditonal positive regard for them now that is a humanist belief :) it does not require a deity it does not require anything exept empathy. what i am saying is that science is the only method from an epistomological standpoint to know anything even close to a fact. my point then is, i am an atheist, i do not belief things that have no proof but will change my mind if that proof presents itself. how about you ?
@benwarmaster666 As I said, you will not change your mind. And you uphold unnatural concepts in your "unconditional positive regard". Then ofcourse nobody should be punished, and everyone "be happy". Lol. Reality is not like that. And that is already a false god you believe in. That is ultimately is in the atheist belief, many false gods, they believe in and act according to, and believe to be the winning move. The idolaterous spirits, in their minds, fooling them.
@ParadoxEternal there seems to have been a fundermental missunderstanding, unconditional positive regard does not mean everyone is going to be happy. it is a recognition that you can make people happy :) which is a intrinsicaly rewarding experiance. i also find it a bit rich you claiming that i beleif something unatural when you are claiming contact with the devine btw i am an advocate for equal rights for gays thanks for asking :) one of my uncles is gay infact such a great guy :)
@benwarmaster666 Then again what you are saying is not very logical, and you do not understand what I say, and I have already given you several methods that work, and logic, and so you are still not listening, but babbling on. And yes 666 and gays and your behaviour, is a repeating pattern of those I talk to.
@benwarmaster666 Who are these spirits? WHO are you talking to in your mind? What shapes your opinions. I have already mentioned infinite surrender, previously as a method of knowing God. Now I can mention acknowledging one eternal force behind everything, and seeing the spirits of the mind change. And if you even recognize the transcendence of that, I think you will have some immediate effect. Meditate on "Everything can be traced back to the first paradox". That is not so hard
@ParadoxEternal well i actually have a materialist answer to the who are you speaking to in your mind, you see when you have an inner monologue certain areas of your brain light up, much as they do when you speak these areas are responsible for the train of thought and if you damage parts of the brain some people have been unable to form pictures in the minds eye. or unable to speak more than one word, schizophrenia has the symptom of hearing a voice that is not your own, it has a bio cause :)
it is also interesting to note that opinions have a 3 part format congitive, affective, and behaviour, the actions that they lead you to perform. they are influenced by your culture and there have even been experiments that suggest that you can have implicite biases for certain things such as raceism , sexism and that they are formed early on in childhood (ye old nature nurture debate ) and can influence beahviour unconciously, however if you are aware of them you can be more egalitarian :)
@benwarmaster666 I don`t think there is a material answer to that. Infact when the brain is active in many areas, during orgasm, what does that indicate? If your computer would light up, during some activity, wtf, what is going on? Apparently it is not a logical circuit ;)
As for schizophrenia, the composition of spirits can be changed. It is not biologically related. Masters of the mind have known this long, maybe particulary known in buddhism, that you can silence the mind
@ParadoxEternal you dont think ? but there is an answer to that. and yes schizophrenia has both a envioronmental and biological cause as people have a heritable predisposion to it. interestingly i did just read a book where they scanned the brain of a buddhist monk and it showed he could suppress his own emotions so that he could better feel others, but again this is a technique he learned through years of practice , just as my sword arm is strong from years of practice, at a cellular level :)
@benwarmaster666 I think scizophrenia has an enviromental cause yes. It is the illness of disbelief, of idolatry, and have these illconcepts ghosted in your mind. Religious literature deals with his, in that idolaters call on rebellious shaytans, shaytans are spirits, and part of the "composition of the mind". Which is my expression, but accurate enough. Also angels may be present I believe. so teach the schizphrenic accurate monotheism, and he will probably be cured over time
@ParadoxEternal interesting you should say that as one of the 1st things that is pointed out when it comes to some of the most psychotic delusions is that they belief that they are god and one of the worst scenarios is when they come into contact with people with similar beliefs. drugs and psychotherapy have been the most effective treatments based on extensive studies interestingly when left to indulge there delusions they rarely get better and oftan as not endanger themselfs
@benwarmaster666 Then you are ofcourse their enemy. Everyone is God. God cloned everyone with himself. And there is freedom of belief in most countries these days, to believe this. It is actually quite common. That you find this "difficult" is quite odd. I know many of these, who are extremely wellbehaved. Just stating that one is God should ofcourse in no way, be a diagnosis. Only if the person is evil should there be some need for psychiatric treatment.
@ParadoxEternal hmm the main criteria that we use when making a diagnosis are, Distress, dysfunction, danger and a host of other specific factors, preventing someone from cutting out their own eyes cannot make me their enemy. evil is not a useful word, why do people do bad things - because they are evil, why are they evil - because they do bad things, it is more useful to determine there level of empathy and see why it is reduced. what is your take on psychopathy if everyone is equal :)
@benwarmaster666 Buddhists can supress their mind yes. And some to a great extent program themselves. Such as some buddhists who cry tears, in sadness, when culture expects it of him. While I personally believe in surrender, I also do resepect the knowledge of many buddhists, and have visited the egoloss-state myself. Which btw, I can show you, and you can practise it, and .. well, make up your own scientifically inquiring mind. Peace.
@benwarmaster666 Islam is an amazing religion, and far beyond todays diciplines of psychology. Unfortunately when Jung stepped into the spirit realm himself, he was called mad. And I don`t think he ever reached a conclusion of monotheism. Islamic mystics say spirits are a part of self-realization. Subconscious communication that results in godrealization. Jung did however belief that conscikousness was divine.
@ParadoxEternal fortunatly we have moved on from the days of Jung he was a psychoanalyst and many of his theories did not contain a great deal that could be disproved. it is therefore useless to draw conclusions with. although i like jung did you know frued was an athiest ? many others such as erik erikson and karen Horney were as well, it is interesting to note that when people grow up with education and free of coertion they often tern out to be atheist or humanist.
@benwarmaster666 Yes you have moved on from the days of Jung, and the collective subconscious. But Freud he is an atheist and therefore still valid, lol. You show the typical incoherence of the atheist. Always biased in some form, by absurd claims. And I am a proof that growing up, doing mostly what I want, results in a life with God, not atheism.My parents were not believers. Again, more trash from atheists.
@ParadoxEternal i did not say that frued was still valid he suffers alot from the same biases in bad scientific practice that Jung was. you cannot claim the thoughts of one indevidual are representive of the same field. psychoanalysis is a subjective feild where as psychology is not and is therefore a better explanation of the the human mind and behaviour. you however made an appeal to authority to suggest that your veiw was valid just because one psychoanalyst beleived in the devine.
@benwarmaster666 Nah you are full of shit, You just said "you know Freud was an atheist"? I do not know what Freud was. I think that a lot of problems probably are related to close people, you talk to much. Not neccesarily just mother though. Anyone in your circle. Or anything you have on your mind. Idols particulary. Not God. God seems to be a positive factor in most peoples lives. And my view is valid, regardless of you or anyone else.
@ParadoxEternal and i say as your point of view cannot be disproved it is worthless as a scientific concept therefor it if not falsifiable and can be dismissed without evidence. i think you are the one who is incoherent bandying around terms that you do not understand. and as i said i am a positivist i think there is an objective reality that can be revealed by science not idle speculation on the existance of a god.
@benwarmaster666 I think you are very underdeveloped and use logic that just as easily can be used against yourself. You do not have a proof either, and therefore you are unscientific. Now science is not only about the measureable. There is science related to the spiritual realms aswell. Parapsycholoy etc. Infact many there say that it is now real, documented, and nothing to doubt anymore. People just need to look at it.. ?
@ParadoxEternal parapsychology is more into showing how apparently paranormal events actualy have a basis in how our ability to sense the world is tuned, dont missrepresent a field for your own interests. To claim that you are right purely on the basis on whether i have proof or not is funny because you are doing the exact same thing based on a holy text and there is always alot to dought that is what science thrives on there is no proof of spiritual realms, when there is it will be studied
@benwarmaster666 You are obviously a jerk that thinks that you yourself need no evidence for you claim, but that your opponent needs evidence. I DO have my evidence. But it comes from a life of religion, and is earned. Not something that God just shows to any fool. Anyway if he should, such as users of LSD, who experience the divine, though by transgression (it is forbidden by God) many go back to not remembering the experience, explain it away etc.
"christ" is a coward and a cunt if he needs morons like you to defend him, or at least he would be if he actually ever existed and wasn't just a rip off of earlier stories. ach well, nevermind.
If I was religious I would say: "Rest in peace". But I am not so I'll just say: "So long (in case if we were both wrong and to meet in hell) and thanks for the dose of common sense you've left on this crazy planet".
He's dead people, he can't read your "RIP" (a religious sentiment btw) or "we will miss you Christopher" statements, did no one ever listen to the man when he was alive?
I just heard about his death 2 minutes ago and it makes me genuinely sad that there will never be anything new coming from this legend of a man. The respect any of us had for Hitchens should be applied in continuing the fight against the blight of religious indoctrination in the world.
When people say RIP or 'We'll miss you' they are not trying to talk to Christopher. They are paying homage, and showing respect for a man they looked up to. You must be able to see that unless your an emotionally repressed 13 year old. Do you think all memorials are a waste of time?
"He's dead people" --> "legend of a man" --> "legends never die" Do you see the inconsistency?
So you being forced to not work on Christmas is also offensive? Or if I say to you 'merry Christmas' you will be insulted? I wonder how you exist in the real world...
@muffin8or We're not talking about Christmas and for the record, the 25th of Dec has nothing to do with Christianity in any way shape or form. The reason I look forward to "Christmas" is the same most people do, and it isn't to celebrate the birth of the god baby, "Jesus". Its for the time off work, the giving and receiving of presents and the slap up meal afterwards. People who say merry Christmas to me receive the same sentiment back. If they don't know the truth, what do I care?
I know. They chose the 25th to coincide with a pagan holiday so people wouldn't mind converting. But for hundreds of years it was a religious day. We have some sort of resolution. Just as Merry Christmas was a deeply religious term (though the day isn't Jesus' birthday, it was a religious event) so too was RIP. Both terms now have a secular meaning based on context.
Some people are just D.B.R. (damaged-beyond-repair) when it comes to admitting their wrong about religion, and that those are, as I see it, lost-causes in trying to have any kind of discussion about religion with.
And second, I believe there is no god because I believe that that statement is 99.99...% true. And because 0.(9) equals 1, then I feel I can make that assumption with confidence, that it's the more rational view.
What a great man. The world will be a poorer place without Christopher Hitchens. A champion of intelligent, inquisitive and honest people. I hope we have a successor worthy of his mantle. Dawkins is a different animal, he doesn't speak to his fellow primates in the way Hitchens does. I'm off to do some reading....
A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
@thatamazinggeek : And if we teach this knowledge to all children, and educate them about the power of imagination and dangers of superstition, we can free mankind from this yolk. We can give up imaginary friends, as we understand what they really are.
@thatamazinggeek : You are absolutely right on that. We have a really strong tendency to magical thinking, it has been vital in our survival as species. We have pattern seeking brains, and we cant help but coming up with explanations to everything. And very often those explanations are complete nonsense and bullshit. But even if we have this evolutionary baggage of superstitous thinking, we CAN understand it. We can learn about it, comprehend it and not be fooled by our own imagination anymore.
@thatamazinggeek : We are not fighting superstition properly. We still "respect" blind faith, and we tolerate even the most idiotic forms of superstition as long as they dont attack us directly.
If we take away the tax benefits from churches and enforce the age restriction on religious indoctrination, we send a powerfull message. That would be a massive step towards the victory on this embarrassing war, and a lethal blow to organised superstition.
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@zestelter - "the traditions and teachings of the Catholic church usually do not even remotely resemble the teachings of Christ."
Interesting. These are the folks who decided on the content of your holy books. They essentially WROTE the story of Jesus. As in they decided to keep the true story of Judas out and to repeat 3 versions of the same story under 3 pseudonyms ("Q documents"). I'd say that Catholicism is the OEM and all other schisms are mere 3rd party vendors for the platform.
@zestelter - "I really think its a matter of interpretation"
I think it's actually a matter of confirmation bias. No one has been able to produce a shred of historical evidence for Jesus. Period. And there is no proof of any supernatural claims at all. Period. It's myth and wishful thinking and contrived threats to impose psychological slavery upon the week and desperate.
I didn't use wikipedia. This is quite a huge assumption. I used that figure because it's the figure used by the world's most renown biologists. You lnow, those poeple who know quite a bit more than you. In fact, if you don't believe the undisputed (except my theists, of course) science of evolution, you are not qualified to speak on the subject at all.
Also, wikipedia is an open forum where entries can be readily disputed. And when verifiable references aren't included, it indicates so.
"In fact, if you don't believe the undisputed science of evolution, you are not qualified to speak on the subject at all"
Before I show you a few things, I just want to make sure that you actually believe the quote your wrote above. Do you still stand by it? Look it over, consider how logical it is, see if reminds you of any famous quotes written by mass murdering tyrants, then let me know if you still stand by it. We can proceed with the discussion from there.
mass murdering tyrants are capable of using logic too, they are after all evolved apes capable of thought.
and for the record, social darwinism is a complete bastardisation of darwin's "only the strong survive" (i may be mis-quoting him here but you know what i mean). these bastards have taken what happens in nature and used it as an excuse for genocide, kind of like how the south used the bible to justify slavery (although that's actually in there).
I think we would all like to believe that as long as we are honest, and objective with the evidence at hand, we will all arrive at the same results. However, I just don't think it's true."Where one starts one's investigation determines the results one will obtain" We're looking at the same evidence, just seeing completely different conclusions based on our worldviews. And this is the point, where we just have to agree to disagree. But I do really enjoy the opportunity for discussion :)
@zestelter "We're looking at the same evidence, just seeing completely different conclusions based on our worldviews."
this simply doesn't happen when you apply the scientific method, which in itself is self-criticizing and impartial. if there were an experiment you could run to discover a god and it was repeatable and a god was found there would be consensus between scientists on the existence of A god (not necessarily the god you believe in).
@zestelter unfortunately no such experiment exists because it's impossible to know where to begin as there's no evidence for any gods whatsoever.
i only wish such an experiment existed because it would end this argument pretty quickly, assuming of course it wasn't impossible to perform and consensus could be achieved, even then i'm sure all the batshit believers would kick up a fuss if the results didn't go their way.
And I want you to know, I can empathize with you. I was once completely bitter and outraged at the notion of Christ. I was irritated to no end that other people around me claimed to have "personal relationships" with him. I thought to myself what the F*** does that even mean?? But...something happened. I can't explain it, but Christ sought me out and completely changed my heart. And I think He'll do the same for you if you ask him. I know it sounds stupid, but just give it a try, its all i ask.
Even if Christ appeared to you, shook your hand and said, "see I'm real" I think you would probably decide it was some psychopath pulling a cruel practical joke on you :) Do you agree? Or do you think I'm mistaken?At any rate, I think for you, the only way you can know Christ is real is to experience him first hand for yourself. I challenge you to seek Christ and see if he meets you. But fair warning, he is going to ask you to surrender the notion of thinking "I know what's best for my life!"
@zestelter what does "I know what's best for my life!" have to do with anything?
if your jew king "appeared" to me (as in a vision which only i could see) i'd take it as hallucination, the same thing can be achieved with LSD.
if someone approached me in the street and claimed to be this person i'd consider them a nutter until they performed an act (miracle) which science could not explain.
most of the "miracles" etc in the bible have been explained by science. the others are probably rubbish.
The best known expert on the historicity of Christ that I now of is Dr. Ehrman. He is a Christian who reads and writes all of the biblical languages: Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. He has dedicated his life to finding the truth and has come to the conclusion that there is no proof of a historical Jesus.
Oh yeah, I know Dr. Bart Ehrman, While I was working a super boring data entry job, I tried stimulating my brain with his "From Jesus to Constantine: A History of Early Christianity" lecture series on CD. He definitely has a great, scholarly, critical review of the Bible. However I too, know several PhD's who know all the biblical language as well, and I found them more convincing. I really think its a matter of interpretation.
@zestelter "I really think its a matter of interpretation."
this is the beginning of everything which is wrong with religious belief. this is how the fights start and you end up with sectarianism between believers.
@zestelter - thank you for that very mature and well thought out response. I am actually not used to that from many other "religiously insecure" people I meet on YouTube.
To follow up, I will add that if you were born in India, that feeling you have may be attributed to Krishna. In China, Buddha, and so on. It is definitely a personal feeling and one which people should be a at peace with and not feel compelled to impose on others. So I commend you for your restraint.
Well, hey, thanks for the kind response--it's super refreshing. And I appreciate your insights. However I know it's not Kishna or Buddha, because I've studied those, and what I experience is different. Rather than mere "inner peace," its more of an experience of Grace--A realization that I'm unconditionally loved by a Holy God despite the fact that I am completely rebellious and disobedient. And I don't ever try to impose, its just some times a little joyous exclamation slips out :)
Don't you think that deserves even a smidge of merit? I mean, I know it doesn't give you the absolute concrete proof you are looking for. But i do think it's hard to ignore it's significance. Stuff like that usually doesn't happen when it's based on myths and legends. On another note, I agree with you about some of your perspectives on Catholicism and it's administrators. That's why I think people should ultimately follow Jesus, not corrupt leaders.
@zestelter "Don't you think that deserves even a smidge of merit?"
which part? the part about the stories of these men who claimed to know him? i haven't seen any evidence of their existence either, just stories. if stories were evidence the millions of kids who read harry potter would be starting a new religion around a boy wizard right now.
I'm curious, what would you accept as actual evidence for the existence of Christ? Once you think of whatever that may be, seriously consider if it would actually persuade you. For instance, no matter what historical evidence there may be, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't buy it. Even if I were to give you a few first-hand miracles I've experienced in my life, (which i would gladly do) you would claim they're delusions of extremely fortunate coincidences.
@zestelter show me solid proof of your god and solid proof that he is in fact a god, and you'll make a theist of me, just don't expect me to buy into it without ANY evidence, as billions of fools seem so willing to do. as far as i can see these people are sheep being led to slaughter.
the part about the growth of christianity in rome doesn't say much, it just means that lots of people took a fairy tale as the truth because they were promised eternal bliss. i hate to invoke godwin's law but the people of 1930's germany made the same mistake and voted in their own fascist, which is ultimately how i see religious belief, unquestioning faith in "dear leader" is a life of servitude at the feet of a tyrant who says "love" me or suffer, fuck that.
The Catholic Church is a beacon of greed, hate, prejudice, sexism, abuse, and absolute disregard for human progression. To name a few. The sooner we free our minds from it's myths and we redistribute it's wealth, the better will be all humanity.
@zestelter - being as you have never met "Christ" and that you have no proof that he ever existed, your alleged "love" for him is merely pseudo "love" of yourself. The feeling which permeates from an idea is not love. It's respect for an idea which when put into action results in desired effects. "Love" for Christ is a misplaced emotion. Christ does not WANT your love. Christ wants you to love your neighbor. And the best way to do that is to refrain from forcing your beliefs down his throat.
No I have never met Christ face to face in a strictly material sense. But my soul has been overcome by an inexplicable, inexpressible joy and peace which remains anchored deep in the very depths of my heart--I just figured it was Christ's love because it so closely resembles what He and his closest followers described. But I understand that convictions based on personal experience hold very little authoritative weight, and I'm not trying to force my beliefs down people's throats.
@zestelter - I can just as easily say that life is proof AGAINST your god being as life is clearly a very flawed experiment at 98.9% failure rate (the number of extinct species). There's nothing more disingenuous than to claim as prof that for which you have absolutely no understanding.
"life is clearly a very flawed experiment at 98.9% failure rate. There's nothing more disingenuous than to claim as prof that for which you have absolutely no understanding."
You're going to have to do better than Wikipedia figures based on extremely broad estimates from papers written in the 1950's if you want to talk origins of life with a trained biologist--It's one of my favorite things to discuss. So give your best evidence for, and I'll see what I can conjure up. Sound like a deal?
I enjoyed hearing Christopher Hitchen's logic as well as Tony Jone's polite, challanging question. However, Hitchen's tends to distort and manipulate Christian doctrine. So when you listen to him, use discernment.
I enjoyed hearing Christopher hitchen's logic as well as Tony Jone's polite, challanging question. However, Hitchen's tends to distort and manipulate Christian doctrine. So when you listen to him, use discernment.
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@GamerWatts stay away from whatever is making you retarded man
Hempflakes 4 days ago
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Hempflakes 4 days ago
@GamerWatts Obviously not... because he's dead. Dead people can't believe in fairytales and made up nonsense, even if they wanted to.
daiellis 1 week ago
What a man, forever missed. The Hitch.
BritishArrow 1 week ago
i'll be... i'll be over there... in love :)
MrTonyInchpractice 2 weeks ago
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I wonder if this idiot believes in GOD now?
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@GamerWatts I doubt it, since God doesn't actually exist.
cornflakeclusters 1 week ago
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Oh OK, thanks for clearing that up for me... -_-
GamerWatts 1 week ago
@GamerWatts How does the brain believe? once its cells die and the chemical reactions cease to continue? Sucks cause once you die i wont be able to tell you how stupid you were when you slowly re-enter the carbon cycle
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Hopefully Paradox has Eternally shut up...
kurnel00 3 weeks ago
Hitchen's was nothing more then a comedian. He's on the other side now. I was an Atheist and I assure you both GOD and the Devil exists. What happens to a man that mocks the creator and never gives a though to the consequences. He's in GOD's hands now.
Frank289100 4 weeks ago
@Frank289100 shut up, sick of all this God crap
Seano71 3 weeks ago
@Seano71 Sean are you Irish white trash. Wasn't O'Hara the one who took prayer out of school.
Frank289100 3 weeks ago
@Frank289100 I don't know and much less care.
Seano71 3 weeks ago
i never got to see him in person. :'(
nhall022 4 weeks ago
Hitchens, da big playa in atheist world! LOL. Typical for the idolator is that he upholds unnatural concepts. And that is what hitchens does, he grabs on to lower worlds, and keeps himself there. Don`t be like that, try infinite surrender, of muslim, and launch to the heavens! There is no such thing as "morality of the day". Provocative behaviour is provocative behaviour. He never talks about good conduct or nonpromiscuity, of relationships of trust. And that is clearly shaytan. ! Peace.
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@ParadoxEternal unnatural concepts such as what and by what definition there is nothing but those so called lower worlds, so you had better start making it a better place beacause you are not going to be here forever and if you want your children to remember you fondly you had best leave them with more than you started with. they are your one shot at immortality as hitchens has so eliquently put it and yes there is morality of the day for example in alot of nations death penalty is gone
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@benwarmaster666 There is absolutely a different way of life than ignorance in lower worlds. But then you must acknowledge that eternity is the greatest concept, and neccesary for the universe, and worship it alone. The eternal creates everything. "Believe and come to life, as Jesus said", and it should not be hard since it is very logical. My children have other concerns than me trying to be some eternal memory, in what you would claim their finite selves. Offensive thinking
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
Hitchens was an awe inspiring linguist.His brilliance with words will never be matched.Hitchens alone has woken the world up in rational parts of societies.He's taught us that GOD is simply our first attempt at explanation for our existence.He has also destroyed the notion of such a being.Hitchens,and science have come much further in 200 yrs.,than religion has done in 5,000+.Religion answers NO ?'s,and produces NOT one fact of reality in the scriptures.NO evidence means exactly that! R.I.P
MrAmericanzombie 1 month ago
R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens.
101truthhurts 1 month ago
Happy new year to my Christ christopher hitchens.
osemoboable 2 months ago
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Hitch was a coward and a cunt.
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@JesusChristDaily
How Christian of you.
Astrophysicsist 2 months ago
@Astrophysicsist Just stating fact gosh!!
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily You are pathetic and ignorant. Just stating facts gosh!!
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@LovePeaceAndChronic Says the moron who loves a animal fucker like hitch?
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily Says the idiot who believes something with no substantial evidence whatsoever. :)
LovePeaceAndChronic 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily If you're not a virgin, you're an "animal fucker," too. Humans are animals.
TomVodkaCollins 2 months ago
@LovePeaceAndChronic You know your life sucks when you have to make up an imaginary friend at adulthood!!How does someone not feel like a child with such beliefs.It's well known that only children can have such friends.Grown men,and women choose to believe in a ghastly being that murders for self gratification.Can you imagine heaven past the pearly gates?I can't imagine being alive for a trillion trillion trillion trillion yrs,and that's just like the first day.F-GOD!!!
MrAmericanzombie 1 month ago 2
@MrAmericanzombie God told you the truth. He is the first being, and created your soul, with himself. Coherence requires God, not only a coherent universe (it is not random, randomness is whitenoise, incoherence between variables), but coherence and intelligence, consciousness, must be absolute since we can communicate and understand eachother. Disbelief is the true emperors new clothers. And you will find yourself in them soon enough, on judgement day. Peace!
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@ParadoxEternal WTF you sound so stupid.
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@ParadoxEternal cue the "coo coo" sound bite
godlessHausFrau 4 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal first of intelligence and conciousness are not absolute, example sleep walking, dreaming, inatentional blindness, change blindness and Dissociative personality disorder to name a few as for intelligence different theories G general intelligence, multiple intelligences , domains of knowledge and so on also bees and ants communicate and understand one another and are highly adapted to their envioronment and im afraid no one is going to be doing any judgeing, save other people :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Lol this is typical atheist incoherence. While anyone in practical fields understand that absoluteness must exist, because without it nothing has a reference, and no communication can be made. For instance engineers always talk about a communication protocol. It is NOT relative. LOL. woow, you are so lame. Philosophy and religion is where the atheist shows retardation. Science and a particular field yes, but the other, wow no dude. This is trash, it is feeblenes
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal you know retardation is a genuine term right. how very immoral of you to appropriate it as an insult :) and i think you will find that it depends on your scientific outlook, social constructionist suggests that peoples ideas are co constructed from a process of communication, many different interptretions of the same event. a positivist would say that there is and we can uncover it from careful control of variables. and i say you cant know anything unless it is supported by data
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 You come from upside down world, and probably the same thinking as these "scientists". Lol. Once these atheist scientists step out of their field, they become complete retards. A mongoloid may put up a picture of Osama and say this is Islam. But that is exactly what these scientists do.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal Islam is a complicated conceptualisation of the world that upto a billion people subscribe too, as a trainee psychologist i find them facinating. however there is research to suggest that when it comes to problem solving experts are yes just as good as everybody else but despite this they learn tranferable skills that can be utilised in other areas like logic and reason. aslo it was sicntists that created the PC's we are arguing on :), tell me what you think islam is ? curious
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Actually I think these people rather are called hackers, and engineers. Ofcourse there is practical science in this, but not outlandish claims of nonscious random design, spontenaous creation of consciousness, or "emergence". Actually there is a particular term for people who can apply that knowledge in severald fields and often attributed to the hacker. But these scientists apparently lack it.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal your right though conciousness did not just spring into existance it is the culmination of millions of years of integration of the senses ,what is your definition of hacker? i would call them cognitive scientists and AI experts. it is also interesting to note that there is nothing stable one the brain is damaged if someone had a soul would they not maintain there essence ? phinious gage who changed completely when damaged to the prefrontal cortex
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Dude think, why would millions of years of culmination have an sense of destination. This is the same randomness/emergence-from-chaos theory again .Can you really not think beyond that? Do you not understand that it needs a cause? LOL. Actually I am one of those hackers myself. That engineers things on my own, and also have skills in music and religion. So the multidiciplined is rare, but I am one of those yes. I could probably voice religion to a hacker well.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal just because something seems unlikely dose not mean that it did not happen, danial dennet proposed a mechanism for the evolution of consciosness suggesting that our ability to predict the future was usefull and therefore its development is not random but a direct responce to envioromental pressure. and if we are going to play the cause game then how do you account for the genesis of your god, his complexity , agentive abilities ? it seems you need to propose a cause for your god
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 denial dennet? lol. You still fail to understand. What set that mechanism in motion? Not that I believe in it, but you seem to be far into theories, not seeing beginning or end, lol.And you go into a cause for God.Lol... This is lame. Again someone who do not comprehend the eternal. but you argue that "a process" could create God, lol.. you have issues, you should analyze yourself if anything. Can an dead object create you? ;)
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal sooo your suggesting that because i dont know the original cause of the universe that i am wrong ? and that you think you do you are right and free from the burdon of proof ? if you want to use god as part of your arguement you need proof or to utilise a falsifiable hypothesis that can lead to investigation, belief is not knowledge i like how you have resorted to personal attacks it pleases me very much :), and i never suggested a dead thing did but i am made of the same atoms
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Just more incoherent mess. But it is comical that you are an atheist, and say "i dont know the original cause". That is typical atheism. Then you should be an agnostic. But no, you claim knowledge of the cause, because God is not a part of that to you. So you DO propose a cause, and that is the dead object I mentioned. Use your psychology on yourself, and find all the flaws with your own thinking, and I think the level of communication could be raised QUITE.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal :) another personal attack i must really be getting to you, a little cognitive dissonance maybe ? so you are certain that there is a devine cause for everything but you will never know because with you the buck stops at god you will never be convinced otherwise because you are already certain. if i was to find proof of gods existance i would be the first to change my mind that is the difference between us. i am atheist because god is not needed to explain reality or morality
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Yes it is a personal attack, not just observations from reality.And yeah many people ilke you are getting to me, and making me enjoy the thought of deathpenality for atheists in Iran. Apparently they have understood that they are incoherent provocative morons. Yes and you excellently back that up by claiming now God is not needed, while earlier you said that the origin was uknown. To you ofcourse God cannot have proved himself to me, decades ago.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal woooow how very moral of you to wish the deathpenalty for anyone that does not believe in your god, im flattered. it suggests to me you know you do not have a leg to stand on in this argument and so must resort to getting rid of anyone that dissagrees with you. and if you look carfully at what i said it was that god is not needed not that he didnt do it, we just have no proof that he exists, i feel it is you who needs to analyse himself and decide what is really important.
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 That is moral. And why should you care. Morality of the day, remember? Again you claim there is no proof, but I already say God has proved himself to me. And YOU have no proof of atheism, and surely you don`t expect the alternative a dead object, to prove itself to you? LOL, you are again a good example of typical atheist incoherence.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal why should i care ? well as a humanist i also care very deeply for everyone on the planet, i am against the deathpenalty and as i do not beleive in an afterlife i think that makes life that much more precious and truly free. i enjoy taking to you and i learn something from each post and as atheism is a stance on unbeleif it does not require proof, if it did, it is not going to reveal itself to us we have to go out and find it, that is what it means to be truly open minded :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 You care very deeply lol. You know nothnig about the people you pretend you care for. You represent satan to them, as indeed the 666 of your nick, and promote disbelief to their suffering. And probably homophilia and related teachings. That is how much you care.And then you talk about not needing proof, but about finding it lol, and that is openminded. Incoherent babble. You go look for your proof for no god, and claiming no god without proof in the mean time ;)
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal you dont need to know anything about anybody to have unconditonal positive regard for them now that is a humanist belief :) it does not require a deity it does not require anything exept empathy. what i am saying is that science is the only method from an epistomological standpoint to know anything even close to a fact. my point then is, i am an atheist, i do not belief things that have no proof but will change my mind if that proof presents itself. how about you ?
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 As I said, you will not change your mind. And you uphold unnatural concepts in your "unconditional positive regard". Then ofcourse nobody should be punished, and everyone "be happy". Lol. Reality is not like that. And that is already a false god you believe in. That is ultimately is in the atheist belief, many false gods, they believe in and act according to, and believe to be the winning move. The idolaterous spirits, in their minds, fooling them.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal there seems to have been a fundermental missunderstanding, unconditional positive regard does not mean everyone is going to be happy. it is a recognition that you can make people happy :) which is a intrinsicaly rewarding experiance. i also find it a bit rich you claiming that i beleif something unatural when you are claiming contact with the devine btw i am an advocate for equal rights for gays thanks for asking :) one of my uncles is gay infact such a great guy :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Then again what you are saying is not very logical, and you do not understand what I say, and I have already given you several methods that work, and logic, and so you are still not listening, but babbling on. And yes 666 and gays and your behaviour, is a repeating pattern of those I talk to.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Who are these spirits? WHO are you talking to in your mind? What shapes your opinions. I have already mentioned infinite surrender, previously as a method of knowing God. Now I can mention acknowledging one eternal force behind everything, and seeing the spirits of the mind change. And if you even recognize the transcendence of that, I think you will have some immediate effect. Meditate on "Everything can be traced back to the first paradox". That is not so hard
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal well i actually have a materialist answer to the who are you speaking to in your mind, you see when you have an inner monologue certain areas of your brain light up, much as they do when you speak these areas are responsible for the train of thought and if you damage parts of the brain some people have been unable to form pictures in the minds eye. or unable to speak more than one word, schizophrenia has the symptom of hearing a voice that is not your own, it has a bio cause :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
it is also interesting to note that opinions have a 3 part format congitive, affective, and behaviour, the actions that they lead you to perform. they are influenced by your culture and there have even been experiments that suggest that you can have implicite biases for certain things such as raceism , sexism and that they are formed early on in childhood (ye old nature nurture debate ) and can influence beahviour unconciously, however if you are aware of them you can be more egalitarian :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 I don`t think there is a material answer to that. Infact when the brain is active in many areas, during orgasm, what does that indicate? If your computer would light up, during some activity, wtf, what is going on? Apparently it is not a logical circuit ;)
As for schizophrenia, the composition of spirits can be changed. It is not biologically related. Masters of the mind have known this long, maybe particulary known in buddhism, that you can silence the mind
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal you dont think ? but there is an answer to that. and yes schizophrenia has both a envioronmental and biological cause as people have a heritable predisposion to it. interestingly i did just read a book where they scanned the brain of a buddhist monk and it showed he could suppress his own emotions so that he could better feel others, but again this is a technique he learned through years of practice , just as my sword arm is strong from years of practice, at a cellular level :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 I think scizophrenia has an enviromental cause yes. It is the illness of disbelief, of idolatry, and have these illconcepts ghosted in your mind. Religious literature deals with his, in that idolaters call on rebellious shaytans, shaytans are spirits, and part of the "composition of the mind". Which is my expression, but accurate enough. Also angels may be present I believe. so teach the schizphrenic accurate monotheism, and he will probably be cured over time
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal interesting you should say that as one of the 1st things that is pointed out when it comes to some of the most psychotic delusions is that they belief that they are god and one of the worst scenarios is when they come into contact with people with similar beliefs. drugs and psychotherapy have been the most effective treatments based on extensive studies interestingly when left to indulge there delusions they rarely get better and oftan as not endanger themselfs
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Then you are ofcourse their enemy. Everyone is God. God cloned everyone with himself. And there is freedom of belief in most countries these days, to believe this. It is actually quite common. That you find this "difficult" is quite odd. I know many of these, who are extremely wellbehaved. Just stating that one is God should ofcourse in no way, be a diagnosis. Only if the person is evil should there be some need for psychiatric treatment.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal hmm the main criteria that we use when making a diagnosis are, Distress, dysfunction, danger and a host of other specific factors, preventing someone from cutting out their own eyes cannot make me their enemy. evil is not a useful word, why do people do bad things - because they are evil, why are they evil - because they do bad things, it is more useful to determine there level of empathy and see why it is reduced. what is your take on psychopathy if everyone is equal :)
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Buddhists can supress their mind yes. And some to a great extent program themselves. Such as some buddhists who cry tears, in sadness, when culture expects it of him. While I personally believe in surrender, I also do resepect the knowledge of many buddhists, and have visited the egoloss-state myself. Which btw, I can show you, and you can practise it, and .. well, make up your own scientifically inquiring mind. Peace.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Islam is an amazing religion, and far beyond todays diciplines of psychology. Unfortunately when Jung stepped into the spirit realm himself, he was called mad. And I don`t think he ever reached a conclusion of monotheism. Islamic mystics say spirits are a part of self-realization. Subconscious communication that results in godrealization. Jung did however belief that conscikousness was divine.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal fortunatly we have moved on from the days of Jung he was a psychoanalyst and many of his theories did not contain a great deal that could be disproved. it is therefore useless to draw conclusions with. although i like jung did you know frued was an athiest ? many others such as erik erikson and karen Horney were as well, it is interesting to note that when people grow up with education and free of coertion they often tern out to be atheist or humanist.
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Yes you have moved on from the days of Jung, and the collective subconscious. But Freud he is an atheist and therefore still valid, lol. You show the typical incoherence of the atheist. Always biased in some form, by absurd claims. And I am a proof that growing up, doing mostly what I want, results in a life with God, not atheism.My parents were not believers. Again, more trash from atheists.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal i did not say that frued was still valid he suffers alot from the same biases in bad scientific practice that Jung was. you cannot claim the thoughts of one indevidual are representive of the same field. psychoanalysis is a subjective feild where as psychology is not and is therefore a better explanation of the the human mind and behaviour. you however made an appeal to authority to suggest that your veiw was valid just because one psychoanalyst beleived in the devine.
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 Nah you are full of shit, You just said "you know Freud was an atheist"? I do not know what Freud was. I think that a lot of problems probably are related to close people, you talk to much. Not neccesarily just mother though. Anyone in your circle. Or anything you have on your mind. Idols particulary. Not God. God seems to be a positive factor in most peoples lives. And my view is valid, regardless of you or anyone else.
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal and i say as your point of view cannot be disproved it is worthless as a scientific concept therefor it if not falsifiable and can be dismissed without evidence. i think you are the one who is incoherent bandying around terms that you do not understand. and as i said i am a positivist i think there is an objective reality that can be revealed by science not idle speculation on the existance of a god.
benwarmaster666 3 weeks ago
@benwarmaster666 I think you are very underdeveloped and use logic that just as easily can be used against yourself. You do not have a proof either, and therefore you are unscientific. Now science is not only about the measureable. There is science related to the spiritual realms aswell. Parapsycholoy etc. Infact many there say that it is now real, documented, and nothing to doubt anymore. People just need to look at it.. ?
ParadoxEternal 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal parapsychology is more into showing how apparently paranormal events actualy have a basis in how our ability to sense the world is tuned, dont missrepresent a field for your own interests. To claim that you are right purely on the basis on whether i have proof or not is funny because you are doing the exact same thing based on a holy text and there is always alot to dought that is what science thrives on there is no proof of spiritual realms, when there is it will be studied
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@benwarmaster666 You are obviously a jerk that thinks that you yourself need no evidence for you claim, but that your opponent needs evidence. I DO have my evidence. But it comes from a life of religion, and is earned. Not something that God just shows to any fool. Anyway if he should, such as users of LSD, who experience the divine, though by transgression (it is forbidden by God) many go back to not remembering the experience, explain it away etc.
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@JesusChristDaily "Hitch was a coward and a cunt."
"christ" is a coward and a cunt if he needs morons like you to defend him, or at least he would be if he actually ever existed and wasn't just a rip off of earlier stories. ach well, nevermind.
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Love you Hitch! In a century or two, high school students will be reading about you in their "secular studies" class.
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@northoforacle That is a future i am looking forward too!!!
LovePeaceAndChronic 1 month ago
good bye bitch
FreakyMango 2 months ago
@FreakyMango I hope you die
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@FreakyMango what a horrible cunt you are..
TripeSmuggler 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@TripeSmuggler Thanks
FreakyMango 2 months ago
Thank You Christopher you were an inspiration to us all.
AlbertosaurusVll 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
He sucked.
BTW I dont read replies cuz im too awesome
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RIP your books sucked (probably) rofl
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@ugforthewin Your photography is pedestrian and your music is mostly irritating and/or bland.
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If I was religious I would say: "Rest in peace". But I am not so I'll just say: "So long (in case if we were both wrong and to meet in hell) and thanks for the dose of common sense you've left on this crazy planet".
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He's dead people, he can't read your "RIP" (a religious sentiment btw) or "we will miss you Christopher" statements, did no one ever listen to the man when he was alive?
I just heard about his death 2 minutes ago and it makes me genuinely sad that there will never be anything new coming from this legend of a man. The respect any of us had for Hitchens should be applied in continuing the fight against the blight of religious indoctrination in the world.
Fuck RIP, legends never die!
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When people say RIP or 'We'll miss you' they are not trying to talk to Christopher. They are paying homage, and showing respect for a man they looked up to. You must be able to see that unless your an emotionally repressed 13 year old. Do you think all memorials are a waste of time?
"He's dead people" --> "legend of a man" --> "legends never die" Do you see the inconsistency?
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@muffin8or Its a religious term and an insulting one at that, deal with it. Do you see your ignorance?
123backinyerface 2 months ago
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So you being forced to not work on Christmas is also offensive? Or if I say to you 'merry Christmas' you will be insulted? I wonder how you exist in the real world...
muffin8or 2 months ago
@muffin8or We're not talking about Christmas and for the record, the 25th of Dec has nothing to do with Christianity in any way shape or form. The reason I look forward to "Christmas" is the same most people do, and it isn't to celebrate the birth of the god baby, "Jesus". Its for the time off work, the giving and receiving of presents and the slap up meal afterwards. People who say merry Christmas to me receive the same sentiment back. If they don't know the truth, what do I care?
123backinyerface 2 months ago
@123backinyerface
I know. They chose the 25th to coincide with a pagan holiday so people wouldn't mind converting. But for hundreds of years it was a religious day. We have some sort of resolution. Just as Merry Christmas was a deeply religious term (though the day isn't Jesus' birthday, it was a religious event) so too was RIP. Both terms now have a secular meaning based on context.
muffin8or 2 months ago
You will be sorely missed Christopher. You were a legend in your own lifetime and you truly made a difference.
mucalinda 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
RIP Hitch
GoldsboroughStudios 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
RIP Christopher
Advocatus 2 months ago
RIP Mr. Hitchens, thanks for all your great words and wisdom. The world is a better place for having had you in it.
ducttape82 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
A sad loss, RIP Christopher :(
dhimmiwit 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
RIP
SlipstreamFirst 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
RIP.
Apetersen6 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
The world has lost a great man.
SteveArpo 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Two things.
Some people are just D.B.R. (damaged-beyond-repair) when it comes to admitting their wrong about religion, and that those are, as I see it, lost-causes in trying to have any kind of discussion about religion with.
And second, I believe there is no god because I believe that that statement is 99.99...% true. And because 0.(9) equals 1, then I feel I can make that assumption with confidence, that it's the more rational view.
InterlockingGs 4 months ago
What an inspiration Mr Hitchens is !
naybobdenod 5 months ago 9
What a great man. The world will be a poorer place without Christopher Hitchens. A champion of intelligent, inquisitive and honest people. I hope we have a successor worthy of his mantle. Dawkins is a different animal, he doesn't speak to his fellow primates in the way Hitchens does. I'm off to do some reading....
smoothmicra 5 months ago 2
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A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
QuestionForAtheists 7 months ago
@thatamazinggeek : And if we teach this knowledge to all children, and educate them about the power of imagination and dangers of superstition, we can free mankind from this yolk. We can give up imaginary friends, as we understand what they really are.
bary1234 7 months ago 2
@thatamazinggeek : You are absolutely right on that. We have a really strong tendency to magical thinking, it has been vital in our survival as species. We have pattern seeking brains, and we cant help but coming up with explanations to everything. And very often those explanations are complete nonsense and bullshit. But even if we have this evolutionary baggage of superstitous thinking, we CAN understand it. We can learn about it, comprehend it and not be fooled by our own imagination anymore.
bary1234 7 months ago
@thatamazinggeek : We are not fighting superstition properly. We still "respect" blind faith, and we tolerate even the most idiotic forms of superstition as long as they dont attack us directly.
If we take away the tax benefits from churches and enforce the age restriction on religious indoctrination, we send a powerfull message. That would be a massive step towards the victory on this embarrassing war, and a lethal blow to organised superstition.
bary1234 7 months ago
@thatamazinggeek : Look around, how many people still worship Zeus?
bary1234 7 months ago
that was awesome.
halflifeproductionz 8 months ago
Hitchens kicks ass I love it.
Baeloth 9 months ago
Glad it'll be the last time I hear that fucking intro... but I'll miss Listening to Hitchens!...
=3
TAz69x 9 months ago 25
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Encore! Encore!
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ThePregnancySlaves 10 months ago
Well, hey, you've all got pretty good things to say. Thanks for sharing.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter - "the traditions and teachings of the Catholic church usually do not even remotely resemble the teachings of Christ."
Interesting. These are the folks who decided on the content of your holy books. They essentially WROTE the story of Jesus. As in they decided to keep the true story of Judas out and to repeat 3 versions of the same story under 3 pseudonyms ("Q documents"). I'd say that Catholicism is the OEM and all other schisms are mere 3rd party vendors for the platform.
sharkysvideostore 11 months ago
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@zestelter - "I really think its a matter of interpretation"
I think it's actually a matter of confirmation bias. No one has been able to produce a shred of historical evidence for Jesus. Period. And there is no proof of any supernatural claims at all. Period. It's myth and wishful thinking and contrived threats to impose psychological slavery upon the week and desperate.
sharkysvideostore 11 months ago
I didn't use wikipedia. This is quite a huge assumption. I used that figure because it's the figure used by the world's most renown biologists. You lnow, those poeple who know quite a bit more than you. In fact, if you don't believe the undisputed (except my theists, of course) science of evolution, you are not qualified to speak on the subject at all.
Also, wikipedia is an open forum where entries can be readily disputed. And when verifiable references aren't included, it indicates so.
sharkysvideostore 11 months ago
@sharkysvideostore
"In fact, if you don't believe the undisputed science of evolution, you are not qualified to speak on the subject at all"
Before I show you a few things, I just want to make sure that you actually believe the quote your wrote above. Do you still stand by it? Look it over, consider how logical it is, see if reminds you of any famous quotes written by mass murdering tyrants, then let me know if you still stand by it. We can proceed with the discussion from there.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter "mass murdering tyrants"
mass murdering tyrants are capable of using logic too, they are after all evolved apes capable of thought.
and for the record, social darwinism is a complete bastardisation of darwin's "only the strong survive" (i may be mis-quoting him here but you know what i mean). these bastards have taken what happens in nature and used it as an excuse for genocide, kind of like how the south used the bible to justify slavery (although that's actually in there).
Rabsputin 11 months ago
I think we would all like to believe that as long as we are honest, and objective with the evidence at hand, we will all arrive at the same results. However, I just don't think it's true."Where one starts one's investigation determines the results one will obtain" We're looking at the same evidence, just seeing completely different conclusions based on our worldviews. And this is the point, where we just have to agree to disagree. But I do really enjoy the opportunity for discussion :)
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter "We're looking at the same evidence, just seeing completely different conclusions based on our worldviews."
this simply doesn't happen when you apply the scientific method, which in itself is self-criticizing and impartial. if there were an experiment you could run to discover a god and it was repeatable and a god was found there would be consensus between scientists on the existence of A god (not necessarily the god you believe in).
Rabsputin 11 months ago
@zestelter unfortunately no such experiment exists because it's impossible to know where to begin as there's no evidence for any gods whatsoever.
i only wish such an experiment existed because it would end this argument pretty quickly, assuming of course it wasn't impossible to perform and consensus could be achieved, even then i'm sure all the batshit believers would kick up a fuss if the results didn't go their way.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
And I want you to know, I can empathize with you. I was once completely bitter and outraged at the notion of Christ. I was irritated to no end that other people around me claimed to have "personal relationships" with him. I thought to myself what the F*** does that even mean?? But...something happened. I can't explain it, but Christ sought me out and completely changed my heart. And I think He'll do the same for you if you ask him. I know it sounds stupid, but just give it a try, its all i ask.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter "I know it sounds stupid, but just give it a try, its all i ask."
in order for me to do this i would have to believe in the supernatural, which i don't, so my asking would be dripping with insincerity.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
Even if Christ appeared to you, shook your hand and said, "see I'm real" I think you would probably decide it was some psychopath pulling a cruel practical joke on you :) Do you agree? Or do you think I'm mistaken?At any rate, I think for you, the only way you can know Christ is real is to experience him first hand for yourself. I challenge you to seek Christ and see if he meets you. But fair warning, he is going to ask you to surrender the notion of thinking "I know what's best for my life!"
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter what does "I know what's best for my life!" have to do with anything?
if your jew king "appeared" to me (as in a vision which only i could see) i'd take it as hallucination, the same thing can be achieved with LSD.
if someone approached me in the street and claimed to be this person i'd consider them a nutter until they performed an act (miracle) which science could not explain.
most of the "miracles" etc in the bible have been explained by science. the others are probably rubbish.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
The best known expert on the historicity of Christ that I now of is Dr. Ehrman. He is a Christian who reads and writes all of the biblical languages: Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. He has dedicated his life to finding the truth and has come to the conclusion that there is no proof of a historical Jesus.
sharkysvideostore 11 months ago
@sharkysvideostore
Oh yeah, I know Dr. Bart Ehrman, While I was working a super boring data entry job, I tried stimulating my brain with his "From Jesus to Constantine: A History of Early Christianity" lecture series on CD. He definitely has a great, scholarly, critical review of the Bible. However I too, know several PhD's who know all the biblical language as well, and I found them more convincing. I really think its a matter of interpretation.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter "I really think its a matter of interpretation."
this is the beginning of everything which is wrong with religious belief. this is how the fights start and you end up with sectarianism between believers.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
@zestelter - thank you for that very mature and well thought out response. I am actually not used to that from many other "religiously insecure" people I meet on YouTube.
To follow up, I will add that if you were born in India, that feeling you have may be attributed to Krishna. In China, Buddha, and so on. It is definitely a personal feeling and one which people should be a at peace with and not feel compelled to impose on others. So I commend you for your restraint.
ecWareCorp 11 months ago
@ecWare
Well, hey, thanks for the kind response--it's super refreshing. And I appreciate your insights. However I know it's not Kishna or Buddha, because I've studied those, and what I experience is different. Rather than mere "inner peace," its more of an experience of Grace--A realization that I'm unconditionally loved by a Holy God despite the fact that I am completely rebellious and disobedient. And I don't ever try to impose, its just some times a little joyous exclamation slips out :)
zestelter 11 months ago
Don't you think that deserves even a smidge of merit? I mean, I know it doesn't give you the absolute concrete proof you are looking for. But i do think it's hard to ignore it's significance. Stuff like that usually doesn't happen when it's based on myths and legends. On another note, I agree with you about some of your perspectives on Catholicism and it's administrators. That's why I think people should ultimately follow Jesus, not corrupt leaders.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter "Don't you think that deserves even a smidge of merit?"
which part? the part about the stories of these men who claimed to know him? i haven't seen any evidence of their existence either, just stories. if stories were evidence the millions of kids who read harry potter would be starting a new religion around a boy wizard right now.
(to be continued)
Rabsputin 11 months ago
I'm curious, what would you accept as actual evidence for the existence of Christ? Once you think of whatever that may be, seriously consider if it would actually persuade you. For instance, no matter what historical evidence there may be, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't buy it. Even if I were to give you a few first-hand miracles I've experienced in my life, (which i would gladly do) you would claim they're delusions of extremely fortunate coincidences.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter show me solid proof of your god and solid proof that he is in fact a god, and you'll make a theist of me, just don't expect me to buy into it without ANY evidence, as billions of fools seem so willing to do. as far as i can see these people are sheep being led to slaughter.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
@zestelter (continued)
the part about the growth of christianity in rome doesn't say much, it just means that lots of people took a fairy tale as the truth because they were promised eternal bliss. i hate to invoke godwin's law but the people of 1930's germany made the same mistake and voted in their own fascist, which is ultimately how i see religious belief, unquestioning faith in "dear leader" is a life of servitude at the feet of a tyrant who says "love" me or suffer, fuck that.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
The Catholic Church is a beacon of greed, hate, prejudice, sexism, abuse, and absolute disregard for human progression. To name a few. The sooner we free our minds from it's myths and we redistribute it's wealth, the better will be all humanity.
ecWareCorp 1 year ago
@ecWareCorp
Probably true, but the traditions and teachings of the Catholic church usually do not even remotely resemble the teachings of Christ.
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter - being as you have never met "Christ" and that you have no proof that he ever existed, your alleged "love" for him is merely pseudo "love" of yourself. The feeling which permeates from an idea is not love. It's respect for an idea which when put into action results in desired effects. "Love" for Christ is a misplaced emotion. Christ does not WANT your love. Christ wants you to love your neighbor. And the best way to do that is to refrain from forcing your beliefs down his throat.
ecWareCorp 1 year ago
@ecWareCorp
No I have never met Christ face to face in a strictly material sense. But my soul has been overcome by an inexplicable, inexpressible joy and peace which remains anchored deep in the very depths of my heart--I just figured it was Christ's love because it so closely resembles what He and his closest followers described. But I understand that convictions based on personal experience hold very little authoritative weight, and I'm not trying to force my beliefs down people's throats.
zestelter 11 months ago
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ecWareCorp 1 year ago
@zestelter - I can just as easily say that life is proof AGAINST your god being as life is clearly a very flawed experiment at 98.9% failure rate (the number of extinct species). There's nothing more disingenuous than to claim as prof that for which you have absolutely no understanding.
ecWareCorp 1 year ago
"life is clearly a very flawed experiment at 98.9% failure rate. There's nothing more disingenuous than to claim as prof that for which you have absolutely no understanding."
You're going to have to do better than Wikipedia figures based on extremely broad estimates from papers written in the 1950's if you want to talk origins of life with a trained biologist--It's one of my favorite things to discuss. So give your best evidence for, and I'll see what I can conjure up. Sound like a deal?
zestelter 11 months ago
@zestelter re: the failure rate.
you have to admit, if your god exists and created all of this, he's made a fucking mess by a homeless person's standards.
Rabsputin 11 months ago
Wow that was fantastic
1StateofFlux 1 year ago
This is important.
asiankevind 1 year ago
Mr. Hitchens is one of the biggest guns we have on fight against religion. Religion needs to die for mankind to advance.
bary1234 1 year ago 36
@bary1234 I agree. We need an educational system that supports such a notion. Please read SUMMERHILL by A.S. Neil.
MrBeautifulba1 8 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 : We need +18 label on religious indoctrination. Just like we have on porn and alcohol and violence.
bary1234 8 months ago 2
what a fantastic video..... Hitch is one of the best speakers i have ever seen..... kudos to the uploader, thanks so much!!!
frackcha 1 year ago
Please hitchens, stay alive at least until religion extinct from this world.
chropose 1 year ago 2
@chropose i think you're trying to give him immortality
t1mel1ne 1 year ago
@chropose Ha ha, that might take a while. Unless we went through another enlightenment! :D
Seanze329 1 year ago
@chropose his dead give it up
FreakyMango 2 months ago
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I enjoyed hearing Christopher Hitchen's logic as well as Tony Jone's polite, challanging question. However, Hitchen's tends to distort and manipulate Christian doctrine. So when you listen to him, use discernment.
zestelter 1 year ago
I enjoyed hearing Christopher hitchen's logic as well as Tony Jone's polite, challanging question. However, Hitchen's tends to distort and manipulate Christian doctrine. So when you listen to him, use discernment.
zestelter 1 year ago
@zestelter Not if you analyze the literature of the bible.
Seanze329 1 year ago