Some Israelites reviled Jesus one day as he was walking through their part of town.But he answered by repeating prayers in their name.Someone said to him: 'You prayed for these men, did you not feel incensed against them?' He answered 'I could spend only of what I had in my purse.'
@lovece7 hmmm ... Really? So answer me a question ... Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David ... They was poor people? If your son is hungry, do not you give food to the hin? The son of rich... they are poor?
@AmbitionzAzAWriter I understand that Jesus died for the sins of ALL, but if you walk into the territory of a hostile nation, preaching the Gospel, the people will destroy you. After they kill and mutilate you, they will be just as muslim as before you came. I believe that's what Matthew 7:6 means.
Are you willing to die to preach the Gospel in a hostile muslim nation? If not, take the plank out your eye and your head out of your (you know where).
Please understand Mr. Piper is speaking about a heart that SEEKS after riches. You cannot serve God and mammon. It is that simple. I can understand why he finds it abominable. So do I.
Why you abominate prosperity gospel? Why? Then, The SON OF GOD came just for religion issues? Our LORD is happy as a father who sees his son in poverty? God is our father, any father likes his sons are poor, sick, hungry...Don´t you think Mr Piper? I think you must not hate this gospel and these gospel preachers must not clearly demonstrate their preferrences for money. Balance Mr Piper! Balance prosperity gospel preachers and pastors!!! Be careful and wise Mr Piper.
@PepoCanica It says in Isaiah 53 that "it pleased the LORD to bruise Him",speaking of Jesus. Jesus walked this earth for over 30 years and when he was crucified, roman soldiers divided his last few earthly possessions.
Christ says in Matt. 10:24 that the disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. If it was Gods' will for His own son to die on a cross would it not be arrogant of us to expect better treatment?All that live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution 2Tim3
I was with Mr. Piper up until 7:04 where he starts saying that Christians are supposed to put their lives in danger to spread the gospel. What about Matthew 7:6? "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." I'm talking about Christians who go to places like Afghanistan, knowing there's a good chance they'll be butchered. You can't evangelize when you're dead.
@Sasha32659 The Lord wants His Word to be shared with everybody regardless of race, creed, culture or religion. Who are you to decide who is good enough to hear His Word and then to misuse a scripture?! Sit in your nice safe home then you coward. There are many people all over the world who don't have the privileged to be a Christian freely and are dying every single day simply because they follow Christ and you have to nerve to determine who should hear His Word? You have no idea who Christ is.
@lovece7 Ready for bible school, Lovece7? Matthew 15:25-26: The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs." Jesus did eventually help the woman, but my point is that even he recognized that certain people were less worthy of his time than others.
You're probably one of those Christians who pray to God like He's your genie. Get over yourself and READ your bible.
look, i dont believe in "your best life now" either,,, but maybe some of this is a bounce back from the absolutely DEPLORABLE state of Christianity and the view they have of their OWN GOD!. Maybe God is behind the word of Faith movement and the Prosperity Gospel because you need an EXTREME counter to the kind of Jesus Piper offers the world and next generation of Christians will be more like Joseph Prince and bring a more accurate Grace filled LOVING Gospel.
I'm sure God is really happy with you believing in double predestination and being a Calvinist also right? believing that God is the author of pain and suffering and forcing millions of people into sin before they were born and condemning them to eternal torment without help because He wants to "Glorify Himself" in their destruction. Yup.. that is a way better message than god Loves you and will provide for you and give you an abundance and healing in Jesus Christ. I'm totally there dude..
um ok piper give ALL of your churches monay away to the poor, sell off ALL of your technology, your house, your cars, stop selling books.. and live on um 10k a year eating rice.. because surely THAT is what GOD really wants right?
Funny John Piper. Abraham not was rich, David not was rich? What Jesus mean is..."Don't put your heart in the riches" and He not said that we can't have riches.
Obviously, salvation is above all these things.
You, tell me. Would like to see your children with hunger in need? Nope? Oh, can you imagine God then. He would like of that? I'm sure that not, because, then you would be better than God.
"I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10.10
@roeupr You are a typical example of a brainwashed Christian. And that last scripture you threw out in support of why we should be rich on earth, if you haven't figured out that the life He talks about is eternal life in heaven, and not the temporary one here on earth, you have some serious spiritual evaluation to do along with purging and cleansing. Good luck.
@RomansGalatians you say that while on the internet typing on a computer, using electricity and wearing clothes you never sewed. shut up. You send your kids to school....hopefully you have a job...maybe a business or some means of gainful employment. So just shut up please....sell everything and go into a cave and await to go to heaven. We are not called to be practical failures while claiming to be supernatural successes...whatever that may mean. Genesis 1;26-28 is why you were created.
@mambochief So, if your child was being attacked by a lion, would you not go to her rescue?
I do not deny THE FACT that health and money are in MY interest. But the question is: Is it ever God's will for me to act contrary to SELF-INTEREST?
Sure, if I can get money, I'll do it. But my focus and priority is NOT on money. And a Christian life will always result in a loss of self-interest in some way. Just like a soldier doesn't serve his own interests, neither do Christians. We surrender self.
@RomansGalatians THE FOCUS IS ON SOLUTION PROVIDING WHICH IS THE BASIS OF BUSINESS!!! You want to know how to walk in the Abrahamic blessing as promised in Gal 3? Observe the present jewish community....1/3 of 1% of the world population and observe their grasp on the means of prodction! You have to believe in the nobility of enterprise. We were not created to go to heaven....but to have dominion and subdue the earth....Read the Manufacturers manifesto the day he contemplated creating us.
@mambochief Did you know that when Jesus was on the earth, they wanted Him to take office as King? He told them "My kingdom is not of this world." You know that there were poor people and slaves? And when Jesus left, the same corrupt Roman govt. was still in power.
You think money solves sin? Give a cocaine addict a million dollars and you might as well had given him a suicide pistol. He'll go buy coke and snort himself to death.
Money is no way to discern good from evil. Hitler had billions.
@RomansGalatians ....and you think you are making an intelligent argument about our call to be the head and not the tail?? About your call for things to multiply under your stewardship instead of deteriorate and diminish?? Really?? just to point...most things in scripture is about what is called enlightened self-interest!!! That is the reason why you are choosing heaven instead of hell...it's looking out for your self-interest. God's promises are 'if you...then I will...' for a reason.
@mambochief Being a Jewish believer myself; you misunderstand what Biblical blessings are. It is not a cause and effect thing. but rather, they're inheritance, which can be a blessing, but is often a curse! The vast majority Jews are secular. Read, study, meditate on the Word day and night; Christianity is in great decline in America. But, a new generation of emerging churches have risen that have questioned the prosperity gospel & its lack of understanding promise, provision, and purspose!
@mambochief Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.” 24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
@mambochief Don't get me wrong. I like it when I get things. If the whole world brought me gifts and served me, i'm sure I would enjoy that. But MY enjoyment isn't the central issue. Christ is.
And Christ promised persecution for followers of Christ. No, I don't want that. It sucks. But it will happen.
And if u tell someone: Come to Christ and get $, then when the promised persecution comes they say "hey, I was lied to. I thought $ was here." Then they fall away, like grass w/o roots.
@mambochief The biggest problem with your thinking is this "need-based" thinking. When you focus on your "needs," you will focus on what pleases YOU.
What if you were a steward to take care of your mother, and you had control of her checking account. And you go out and buy yourself a new wardrobe with her $?
No, it is ur duty to discharge her trust even if it brings U pain.
And being the "head" and not the tail means being a selfless leader. Leaders are the LAST to leave the sinking ship.
@RomansGalatians My friend to even imply that i could look at the cross and not understand God and other-centeredness is obscene! Listen to prosper means to multiply what is given you. It is an eternal divine principle... and it covers every area of our life! I'm tired for Christians spiritualizing failure while at the same time using technology and products that the unsaved produce! WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRODUCERS! The Head and Not the tail...was not just for the Jews but for God's elect!
@mambochief I read rich dad, poor dad (most of it), and I have no problem with financial principles. And any good financial steward will act according to good financial principles. And if the prosperity preachers were just teaching economics, good.
But they aren't teaching economics, they're preaching Christ. 11 out of 12 disciples violently killed, martyrs throughout history, MLK with a bullet through his head.
If you preach Christ, you will be persecuted, here on earth.
@mambochief The focus should be a GOD-CENTERED life & holy living. Not on politics and money.
Don't get me wrong. I vote and I make decent money. But I'll tell you what, if I had to decide between money & power, or God, I choose God. And don't think that such choices are rare for a Christian. Just last week I let a young, pretty girl go who really liked me because after talking to her I could tell that she wasn't really Christian. That hurt. I really, really liked her.
How does that get your focus off yourself and on to Christ? How does that get your eyes off of the temporary struggles and focus on those things eternal?
Olsteen's book should be called: "FOCUS on SELF and the here and NOW."
If a guy leaps in front of a bullet to save a child, it must not be in God's will. Because it's ALWAYS God's will for a person to be healthy.
No. You don't purposefully jump in front of bullets for no reason. But if preachers are saying that love will not bring pain and suffering for that love, it's probably because they love only themselves. Love brings pain and sacrifice for the ones you love, and the One you love.
Self-centered people want money, sex, & power. It's like heroin; the more you get the more you want. The more pride is fed, the stronger it gets. Self lusts are NEVER full.
Jesus didn't come to fill your SELF-CENTERED cup with cash. Indeed, He came to BREAK YOUR CUP. Break your self reliance, self love, self exaltation.
Prosperity gospel FOCUSES on SELF. He wants to fill your new wine skin with God-centered desires, which may very well run contrary to self interests, and usually does.
Jesus Christ said blessed are the poor and woe to the rich (Luke 6:20-26). It's not that the money will destroy a man, but the desire of greed in which it can provoke. I struggle myself, because, should I not throw away all my posessions and give to the poor and just follow the Lord? It will destroy a man to pursue money, safe to be content with what you have and pursue Christ, and better to leave all your possessions and solely follow Christ. That man will be spiritually rich and rich in heaven
i have never seen any people that are abundance conscious, being pierced and suicidal about anything. I was born in abject poverty and i have found more craving there for money than i have found amongst my prosperous friends. I am still shocked that some of the most generous people i know are also some of the most prosperous people i know. Does John know just the technology (and cost thereof) it took for him to have a nice pair of glasses, bible, HD video camera (grade A mic) and green screen?
I'm soo tired of people who have never experienced real poverty speak against prosperity from their ivory towers. Does John know that what he has would be considered excessive in another part of the world? So no prosperity...and what do we take instead...failure? So i guess Abraham, David, and Joseph of Aramathea were really cursed, not blessed! Also God did not mean it when he said before fruitful and multiply subdue and have dominion. Instead of just quoting Paul...quote God the Father!!!!
@mambochief John Piper is being naive and hypocritical. Lazarus would have stolen and killed the rich man to stay alive. The devil tempts with affliction and disadvantage not always with opportunity and advantage. He implies that failure is blessed. John Piper is truly encouraging suicide as if he were preventing it. He is twisted.
@mambochief Living in Canada, I am priviledged to eat, sleep, be educated, be safe, and express my faith in Jesus Christ. More than what half the world would wish for. I think that some people may recieve money in their craft, and some won't. But the problem is that these preachers are saying pursue riches, purse prosperity. We should pursue Christ, so that His name be glorified. Not pursue Christ because he can get me a higher wage. Because then you are pursuing the higher wage.
Same o same o....just watchin'the world catch fire. Are the natives still restless over there? Looks like we're heading for austerity here in the states... You know that you don't want to piss old people off...they're already mad 'cause they're old. Repubs want to cut social security, medicare,medicade...demos want to let the mexicans turn this country into the same kind of shithole they're trying to get out of.
Makes no sense to me.... What immigration law? Obama needs the votes.His only hope.
@godaddict No , the riots are over and the judiciary sent most of them to jail. Normally over here criminals get fined 3 quid and told not to be naughty boys ,but suddenly most of those useless shitheads got locked up.
It seems there is no middle ground in American Politics these days,which can`t be good for "society",if you believe in such a thing. I believe I will have some more of this rather fine Chianti. Nice to hear from you bro.
@godaddict Mr G/A ! long time. I haven`t played much recently because my teacher decided to become a famous rock star and has no time to jam. How is your world ?
Survival of the fittest contradicts all virtue? Agreed , I dont see much virtue in a Spider. It does not mean that Darwinian evolution doesn`t happen though. A society based on Darwinian evolution would be horrible , like a sort of Republican one ,where the rich eat the poor. Theocracies are always nasty too.
@ilikezappa Agreed! Spiders would not adhere to youtubes commenting and posting standards. But evolution says you are no different than spider. Once again merely finding a different speices that looks similar to a so-called original species and then saying “see they can’t mate!” does not mean you ever observed one spawning from the other. Biological evolution genetics is illogical Buddhist symbolism at best.
@inheritthepromises I take it you didn`t get very far in your biology class then. I am very different to a spider. I am capable of making moral choices for example (which do not require the wretched Jehovah to mandate thankyou very much). Molecular Phylogenetics is obviously a science,and if you dont think so,you should publish a paper refuting it. It will make you famous.
@ilikezappa I quote "It does not mean Darwinian evolution doesn't happen though." You are "morally" contradicting survival of fittest and natural selection by your choices! How are you going to fight de-volution from propogating diseases and lower life forms by morally chosing to ignore the African amaerican lower transitional intelligence as argued by the Darwinistist behavioural neuruology book the Bell Curve by letting blacks live long enough to reproduce their lessor DNA?
@inheritthepromises No ,they were invented in Wales. One of the greats was BB King . The BB stands for Brecon Beacons,which is a range of giant mountains in the Severn Delta were he came from. PS I think you will regret the Boston Tea Party , or `76 terrorism ,as we call it. We are prepared to send the Queen over to claim you back and sort out your finances, if you ask nicely.
@ilikezappa moral choices and survival of fittest are mutually exclusive. You are going to have to me pin you down on only one side of the fence. You cant have your cake and eat it too. It is either evolution or moral choices and never shall they meet.
Speciation has never been observed. You would be a lunistic to take a specific animal and say that it evolved from another specific animal because that speciation has never been observed. Similarities mean nothing. God created animals with similarities and man with similar bodies. But similarities are deceptive. Speciation is a delusion that has never been observed or caused by man. Similarities in creation are decpetive to the unregenerate mind. Man did not come from earth.
@inheritthepromises Wrong ! Speciation has been observed in successive generations of fish and plants , who are no longer able to breed with the previous species because they are genetically different. If you message me I will provide you with some examples ,complete with the scientific verification. You will then ignore this I predict.
Your rigourous standards of empirical evidence before you believe in something are very praiseworthy though. LOL
@ilikezappa Behavioural neurologists say psychiatry is scienfically proven in their labs but they don’t use mathematics. Evolution also has Buddhist symbolism for math. What is scientific is mathematically logical. Evolution is non-mathematical. It is impossible for any so-called scientist to OBSERVE a previous species spawn from the same species. Of course if you have a different species it can not mate with a God-created different species. You never observed speciation nor have math.
What the Word of Faith Pentecostal are correct about is that the eating of the friut by Adam was not excess desire but a selling out and a devalueisation of the blessing and dominion unto satan. In Protestantism Original Sin was wanting more than what God gave but in Pentecostalism it was a devaluisation and a seling out of the original blessing and kingdom unto the serpent's control. This is a superioir and more acureate depiction of what happened in the garden of Eden. John Piper is wrong.
@ilikezappa sorry about spelling. big bang and evolution are illogical myths. once again there are no transitions at the zoo.The fact that it is obvious to the five senses that there are only separate species and no transitions at the zoo also disproves survival of the fittest and natural selection. The fact that evolution has never been proven undergirds that it is possible to really live by faith because like the animals in God in the storm to Job faith can be a way of life and survival.
@inheritthepromises Ok ,I was waiting for "and the Earth is FLAT it is obvious to me or I would fall off" to complete your list of things you are wrong about. ALL species are transitional. The grass growing under your feet is a transitional form. Evolution is a hard fact sorry ,and if you had studied biology instead of taking the Bible for more than it actually is,you would agree.
@ilikezappa Have you ever been hang gliding? Have you ever been to Toledo Ohio? Do you have an identical twin brother? The fact is that biblical spirituality is an experience like any other experience. You have not been exposed to that biblical experience because you are predestined to hell. That is why you are blind to creation: 2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
@inherit Iwas exposed to the Bible frequently as a child,because I am English and it is compulsory in this country. Noone goes to church here tho, because most people aren`t interested in it. You get beautiful churches here which are nearly a thousand years old with two old ladies sat in the service. The priests here would not be so dumb as to question the overwhelming scientific consensus on evolution. That takes a special breed of American lunatic.
@ilikezappa Evolution is an extragenerational hypothesis that is outside of a generations powers of observation. Therefore evolution is an extragenerational myth. Science must be observed and testable by the generation You don’t even have trans-generational records of speciation such as cave drawings. Evolution argues that black are a lower form of evolution. IE the book the Bell Curve. Survival of the fittest contradicts all virtue.
What the Evangelicals don't know is that the devil causes sins out of self defense and sins for survival. John Piper and Protestants are niave. It is not true that all sin is an expression of oppurtunity and excess desire. Sins can be cause from pain and disadvantage. It was very possible for Lazarus to sin against the rich man. Satan used affliction to extort Job. Pain can be as tempting as pleasure.
@onetrashdancer Equality is alive and well in New York. Great. Is that ENOUGH?
What if YOU could get married....but ONLY in New York? Would that be OK?
Stop demanding needless sacrifices of OTHERS. In a land where EQUALITY is the law, there are no differences made. There are no special bigots rights, and nobody to take away other people's rights.
Gay marriage hurts no one. Bigotry is the problem. Fix the problem and stop making up stupid rules to keep your faith based hate alive.
@schlummieleinchen Homosexuality is hatred of the natural order. It is the end of civilization. America no longer has a military. Homosexuality is bigotry against the opposite sex. Faith based love is not hate. Opposites attract. Homosexuality is murder of the opposite sex.
@inheritthepro Real Christians are atheists. Only when a person is free to do the right thing without being bound by a religious doctrine insisting he do wrong, can genuine character win.
Slavery, segregation, anti-gay, anti-foreigner, anti-everything mentality is taught and condoned by religion. Without "faith" in following evil doctrines, there's no limit to the good that can come from humans.
We all die and stay dead. That's not a belief, it's a fact. What is so terrible about this reality?
@schlummieleinchen You are wrong on all counts. Faith is in love. Homosexuality is hate. Your history of slavery ect is all rooted in atheism. The Bible preaches "love your nieghbor as you love yourself". Faith is a matter of the heart. That is true freedom. You will not stay dead. It is a matter of revelation. You were created an eternal being. And you will exist for all eternity--in heaven or hell. It is a matter of predestination.
@inheritthepromises PS Did you not read the part in the Bible that says,(I paraphrase) BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF YOUR SLAVES BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR PROPERTY,dont actually kill them though,because that is wrong and God might not like it. ????? That is fairly clear cut
@ilikezappa Species do not give rise to different species. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN IT HAPPEN AND IT IS ILLOGICAL. There are only different species. GOD SPOKE THE WORLD AS IT IS INTO EXISTANCE AND YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A SPEICES GIVE RISE TO A DIFFERENT ONE. I took biology in college and the teacher did not say that species give rise to different species nor did he prove they do. YOU ARE BEING SILLY AND ILLOGICAL AND YOU ARE CONDEMNED TO HELL. NAME OF STALIN WAS MOST KILLING NOT NAME OF GOD.
@inheritthepromises Well , there are many listed instances of observed speciation freely available on the web. Either your computer doesn`t work or you haven`t bothered to check. I found dozens very easily ,all with credible scientific sources. What does Stalin have to do with it? He was nuts. God killed everyone on the planet except Noah and his buddies ,so in the hierarchy of murderers,he comes out way ahead of Stalin.
@ilikezappaEVOLUTION NOT SAY “LOVE YOUR NIEGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF” EVOLUTION SAY BLACKS ARE LOWER TRANSITION. EVOLUTION DEFEATED BY REAGAN ADMINISTRATION AND BUSH= NO MORE COMUNIST RUSSIA. COMUNINIST RUSSIA USE PSYCHIC IN COURT. STAND IN LINE FOR TOILET PAPER. TOLERANCE IS BIBLICAL NOT ATHEIST. COMUNISM ATHEIST NOT TOLERANT. MELTING POT IS CALVINIST PURITAINS BASED ON PAUL APOSTEL TO GENTILES.
It's hilarious to see how those with "strong faith" will stick to a point, and never budge, no matter how ridiculous it is.
To convince people without faith that they MUST believe or die is a tough assignment. It's like selling soft-serve dog shit, insisting it's chocolate mousse. The real challenge is to do the "taste test", like Mommy did when she tried to convince Baby that peas and carrots run thru a blender are delicious.
Religion is an acquired taste. Some of us just don't care for it.
@schlummieleinchen If you don't care then why are you on here? Yea it's a free country but why y'all spend so much time talking or arguing about something you don't believe in?? It doesnt make sense. If I don't believe in something I'm not investing my time to talk about and especially not on youtube evangelizing against it...FAIL. Plus you have FAITH too its just on a different side and you know that!
@goliath07 Do you ever watch the news OUTSIDE of the USA? The Tea Party is viewed as extremist religious terror group. On BBC News, Deutsche Welle and other major news organizations you can follow how THE WORLD feels about these inbred, undereducated fools! Please form your "opinions" from more than just FOX propaganda!
We've come a long way since the old religiously super-charged Pilgrims, but looking at morons like Sarah Plain and tea party loons you'd wonder. YOU support backward Theocracy?
@utbecomntable You believe very easily. Had you grown up with wild bush people in remote village, you would believe as they would have told you there.
Life is not about believing, it's about learning. You don't learn much when you are told not to question wild and crazy stories.
Sorry, but atheism is a normal part of human evolution. Some reach that stage as early as grade school, others go to their grave as blind faith believers.
Enjoy! More for you! I've long outgrown the weird taste of it.
Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law; Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
James does not say it is a good deed to ask for food and clothing. He does not say it is a good deed to be poor. He only says it is a good deed to give to the poor.
One way to get out of giving is to not have anything to give.
But the widow out in a mite that was greater than the Pharisees lavish excess pride saying corban to thier own needy parents.
It is niave and hypociritcal to not pray for money and health.
The widow that gave the mite to Creflow Dollar understood the truth.
@Fleasfleas2 In this video Dr. Piper relegates the poor and the sick unto salvation by death. But what about those who take hospitals hostage at gun point for medical operations for thier kids that they can't afford? What about stealing a gallon of milk to feed your starving family. What about mental illness causing crime? Dr. Piper is appearently to well off through donations to need to steal to feed his family.
The devil extorts Job to sin by affliction and need not pleasure.
There is a distinction between the schoolmaster and the promise.
In Job satan schools Job. But the Holy Spirit is the promise of the Father. The Holy Spirit forsook Jesus to the schoolmaster. God forsook Job to the schoolmaster. But the promise of the Father is only blessings.
In Job 1 satan successfuly schools Job. Satan accuses according to the law not God. Jesus does not accuse His elect.
Gal 4:8 ¶ Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
He was crucified by the Roman Empire and the Pharissies were of their father the devil. The Pharisees were afraid that the satanic Roman Empire would squash all of the Jews if Jesus continued to become popular. So they sacrificed Jesus to satanic Pilate. Jhn 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. Jhn 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people
@Fleasfleas2 Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Amo 4:1 ¶ Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
@Fleasfleas2 I was converted to the Reformation out of arminianism through Horton's White Horse Inn. I attended sevral PCRT's in the '90s. I dont believe in a general call to the reprobate or an age of accountability. I attended the Protestant Reformed Denomination for a while and am a former cessationist and supralasparian. I believe that faith is a gift in Eph 2:8 not from the will of man.
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
It was the will of the Lord to allow satan to crush Jesus and to forsake Jesus to the lion, bulls, and dog's grief and make His SPIRIT in hell an offering for guilt by satans fires God will prolong Jesus days and the WILL NOT WRATH of the Lord shall prosper in Jesus hand and He shall divide satans spoil with the faithful for He poured out his spirit unto death.
Jesus was the Son of God and became a child servant under satan the schoolmaster spirit in hell, soul on cross, and body by stripes. So that we could believe in God's love now without death and physicians. Jesus went to the rich mans's flames not the bosum of Abraham so we could have the Abrahamic inheritance now without death. I am not arminian. I agree that it was God's will and choice not ours. But Piper is wrong that the only salvation after death and riches are evil.
I am not arminian but Hagin was superioir to systematic thinking. There is more than regeneration and physicians and death in Scriptura. Ps 22 is about the lion and bulls and dog not God's wrath. The Holy Spirit promise forsook the Last Adam to satan the schooolmaster so the elect go from childishly serving satan the schoolmaster unto inheriting the Holy Spirit promise as sons of God. When Jesus got baptised He became Son of God. Reformation does not know Jesus inherited name when raised.
Thank you. I follow you. The problem with penal substitution is that Jesus dies after it is satisfied because the penality does not purge the guilty record. Adam gave satan a legal loophole to chastise the elect spirit in hell, soul on the cross, and body with bruises. So we are born satanically spiritually dead, soulishly misearble and physically infirmed. In penal substitution it is impied that the Holy Spirit poured wrath against Jesus when the Father turned His face. But Ps 22 is about
When I was a Calvinist my pastor and I used to ask the question: "if we were predestined to heaven why did Jesus need to be our substitute?" This is a valid critique of systematic thinking. God did not need to be appeased for those whom He foreknew and predestined to heaven. Adam submitted the Church to chastisement from satan, who is the "schoolmaster" in Gal 4. The elect never needed capitol punishment. God allowed satan to corporally chastise Jesus as a representative not substitute.
@Fleasfleas2 Adam sold out God's mercy and dominion which was given to him unto satan. The result was spiritual condemnation from satan for Adam and us. But the spiritual comdemnation came from satan not God. God resuced us from it by allowing Jesus (the last Adam) to be spiritually condemned in hell by satan so that we could be spiritually blessed by God. But the Reformation has Jesus die after penal substitution and requires the sin nature without hope without death and without miracles.
@Fleasfleas2 God does not use "the will of man" any more than he uses "the will of flesh". (John 1) Luke was a physician but he never wrote any accounts of medical practise. The question is does God answer prayer by the Holy Spirit? If you lift your eyes off of the Bible then you have men for MEN to use. In 1 Cor 13 love never fails. Pastor Piper relegates us to knowlege that vanshies away and fails. Love is perfect. Science is imperfect. God never needed to be appeased. Adam submitted
John Piper and Hank Hannegraph and John Macaruthur preach that wealth originates in toil and health origniatates in phyicians. Kenneth Hagin preached that wealth and health originate in et it is God.
John Piper loves money if the only way get it is through human toil.
If money is a gift from God then it comes from loving God through faith.
the love of money makes poor. the love of God makes rich.
John Piper heretically thinks that the love of money implies riches.
Some people are bound to be rich because they happened to be endowed with talent, good looks, DNA, inheritance, and connections they were born with. These are 'commodities' that have market values. There's nothing wrong with those. What's wrong is the inordinate desire to aspire for wealth at any cost.
No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. --- Matt. 6:24
David Pawson hates the prosperity preaching as much this John Piper. This is what he says.
"You only a Christian because it pays, for what you get out of it" Here's another quote "They think it might bring bit more health and a bit more wealth or whatever. That basically people are selfish, and therefore if God doesn't bless them, They'd finish with God ". Thank God we have men like Piper, Pawson, and Lloyd Jones (deceased) around.
The TV Pimps & servants of satan (are sadly now more powerful than many high witches/warlocks) once walked Holy & Humble now they are leading the Masses to The Feat/Worship of the antichrist, the dark fake jesus not YAHUSHUA/JESUS OF THE HOLY BIBLE OF ANOINTING POWER. But they come in a counterfeit strong strangefire anointing from hellfire. YAH'S DOOM WILL BE HERE SOON IN YAHUSHUA'S/JESUS' NAME will be UPON them. They Refuse to Repent and are STORING YAH'S WRATH.
I'll lay it on the table: You are unable to contend for the faith once delivered to the holy, by yourself, with just your Bible and the revelation God has given you, without parroting men.
Your arguments against me are UNORIGINAL and you'd NEED to reference their source to try to present a case. You're unqualified to make an argument FROM YOUR HEART without the help of others.
That's the place 99% of you unbelieving critics are. YOU'RE TOLD WHAT TO BELIEVE.
@ManardGCrebs By the way, poor reading comprehension is indicative of a simple failure to pay attention; the same affliction that is evident in your poor spelling, your erroneous accusation and your failure to be able to assimilate Biblical truth.
Please note that I differentiate that last remark (mine) from "being able to swallow the unbelieving lies of preachers." That takes little to no effort.
You're arguing in defense of your brainwashing. I'm not impressed.
What's the solution? TURN OFF THE UNBELIEVING and IDIOT PREACHERS whose unbelief you swallow without the "noble-mindedness" of the Bereans, and READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF.
Unfortunately, I doubt that would do you any good, because you're most certainly SET IN THE CONCRETE OF UNBELIEF you've been spoon fed.
"Oh, that's so unloving!"
Has anything else shaken you from your spiritual lethargy and grotesque unbelief?
You don't even recognize it; you're so blind to Scripture.
@ManardGCrebs "...I think you have a strong belief system but you are wrong."
Of course, you're completely incapable of presenting a sound and thorough doctrinal case disproving anything I've said, which is typical of unbelieving Baptists. You're brainwashing is evident in your inability to understand my post, for which you asked, "What's your point?"
You're too much of a spiritual baby to understand the Scriptural basis of what I said and that's why you didn't understand.
@911dispatcher wow... twice in one post... too much emotion .. but I've watched unbelieving "believers" for almost 40 years attack the precious truths of the Word of God because some stupid lying unbelieving preacher told them the precious truths being taught elsewhere were wrong and it's gotten REALLY OLD. I know what the Word of God teaches and can thoroughly defend WITH SCRIPTURE ALONE, everything I stand for and 39 plus years of this nonsense has shown me YOU AND YOUR ILK rely on DECEIT.
again, john needs to donate all the profits from all his sales to the poor.. and i mean all. he needs to move out of his fancy house and sell his fancy car or cars and live like A.W Tozer did. what "tribulations" is john going through? Jesus talks about tribulations and pursecutions along with being taken care of Financially, Spiritually, and Physically by Gods Grace. If you teach faithfully the scripture you will land about half way between a faith preacher and men like piper.
@TheHellbinder Watch out now. You don't want the sheeple to start thinking, do you?
They're content being told what to believe by those they trust. If you "mess with" that, they won't know what to do, since they're completely unable to hear God speak through His Word. Excuse me... did I say "unable"? I should have said "too full of unbelief to recognize that God actually has a voice and can speak to His kids according to John 10:27 and a plethora of other verses."
Piper, just as the VAST majority of unbelieving Baptist preachers EVER tell their congregations that that can hear God and should hear Him on a regular basis? What Baptist preacher ever mentions John 10:27? What Baptist preacher tells people to believe God's promises of healing? To receive the Holy Spirit as is promised AFTER one believes?
No, Baptist preachers are known for "We're right" and "God ain't doin' nothin' the fanatics say He is."
is that the sound of piper depositing the fat check from his last book he sold to countless thousands of christians? so in other words... its ok for ME to be rich but its bad for YOU to be rich!! There are many many poor people on their way to hell. most people who desire to be blessed by God are not looking for millions of dollars. Classic calvanistic straw man argument with ZERO understanding of what the scripture is actually teaching. Hey John please send me a check since you dont want it.
@911dispatcher Yea, I don't like when Christians get confused and build a whole theology on this. Prosperity is good and has always been good no where in scripture where it shows God condemning it unless it was someone who was DRIVEN by it. Mansions and gold will be in Heaven.."thy KINGDOM come on EARTH as it IS in HEAVEN!"
@khalidsnowden Will there be any shitty poor people there to clean the pool ? What crap. What kind of spirituality is there in craving gold and mansions ? You Christians are an affront to Jesus. He should hang out with us Atheists instead of you materialistic lowlives
@ilikezappa anywho since my statement is so materialistic take it up with Jesus, HE put the mansions in Heaven not I goodbye. John 14:2: “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” –Jesus
@khalidsnowden I doubt it. It sounds like all the other religions who offer a bribe of a comfortable afterlife in return for obedience on Earth. A spiritual man would not desire earthly riches reinvented in some crass "heaven" , where only true believers go,and shitty people of other faiths are denied access. What a piss poor vision of the divine that is. I hope you grow beyond it.
@khalidsnowden When weak infantile Christians are bred and brainwashed with contempt and hatred for everyone who doesn't say "Shiboleth" the way "we" do, you get this kind of nonsense.
Most "Christians" follow men and swallow whatever their favorite preachers and teachers tell them. They can often parrot them but can't address much of any truth outside of what they're TOLD to believe.
This is why so many Christians believe the LIES ABOUT TITHING -- THEY'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED.
@ManardGCrebs The things I've just said to you show how it IS important what you think and what you believe and what you say. You're IGNORANT about the place of your tongue. Romans 10:9-10 tells you that it's YOUR TONGUE which brings salvation to you but you don't get it. The Bible is MOSTLY a closed book to you and you DON'T HUNGER AND YOU DON'T THIRST for it.
When you read in Scripture, "I would that ye all spake with tongues" how many seconds did it take you to say, "Me, God. If you want me to have it, I want it!"
How many years has it been now that you've REFUSED TO PRAY OR EVEN THINK like that?
And you're not FULL OF UNBELIEF?
Yeah, right.
When was your last miracle healing? When did you refuse to go to the doctor because you said, "JHWH-Rapha" is MY GOD and "by His stripes I was healed!"
Do you recognize Scripture when you see it & REFUSE IT
We have a supernatural God and it's been evidenced from the beginning of man until today and John and the Baptists DESPISE the supernatural and PREFER THEIR UNBELIEF and attacking EVERY MINISTER who ministers in the supernatural.
These same men fail to see their kinship with the Pharisees in their similar UNBELIEF.
You cherish "pie in the sky by and by" but you mock any and all who practice the signs and wonders THE MASTER said would follow THEM THAT BELIEVE.
The letter I posted should explain everything and answer any questions one might have. I've posted quite a bit in the last day and would like to NOT answer questions or challenges until ALL who would challenge me take the time to CAREFULLY read the letter and CONSIDER the many SCRIPTURAL points I made that John IGNORED IN ALL HIS DISHONEST DIATRIBES AGAINST GOD'S WORD AND GOD'S MINISTERS FAITHFULLY PROCLAIMING GOD'S GOODNESS TO HIS CHILDREN, EVEN REPEATEDLY PERFORMING SUPERNATURALLY TO PROVIDE.
Now, a few of you know that John Piper took EIGHT MONTHS OFF.
This is the man who preaches against prosperity. This is a man who says he isn't against money, just keeping too much of it.
How many of you can just TAKE OFF WORK FOR EIGHT MONTHS? Another question. Can ANYONE who is NOT prosperous take off for eight months and not work?
Where I come from, this is called hypocrisy. John Piper is prosperous enough to leave his job for EIGHT MONTHS to then resume preaching against prosperity.
Tell me that everyone who believes 3John 1:2 (Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth) is a phony, a fraud and not born again.
I don't think you can see my point... unless your conscience works better than the Pharisees'.
when you promote hunger for God out of one side of your mouth and out of the other side of your mouth you repudiate the brethren... even if they're the worst of the brethren. There's no need to wonder about how Jesus feels about it when He stated it so clearly. He said the way you treat the least of His brethren is how you treat Him. Apparently, John isn't very familiar with that verse. It's Matthew 25:40. You might want to read it. And please comment on it in your response
demonstrate how evil it is to teach that God wants his children to prosper, shouldn't John teach that he wants his own children poor? And shouldn't John be poor also?
To put it another way, I've always wondered at all the Baptist preachers on TV who live in nice homes and drive nice cars WHILE they tell everyone the prosperity message is evil.
In other words, "The prosperity message is evil but my prosperity is good."
And of course, you see no problem with this mixed message.
criticizing other preachers, and, as I said, you're doing so in a slipshod fashion by attributing statements to which you are unable to attach names, other than the Word of God, of course, because indeed God did promise the Israelites that even their cattle wouldn't miscarry (and the NT says we have a better covenant) but again, we're back to the same problem of your pretending that men of God have failed to tell us that He wants His children to fail and to be poor.
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Some Israelites reviled Jesus one day as he was walking through their part of town.But he answered by repeating prayers in their name.Someone said to him: 'You prayed for these men, did you not feel incensed against them?' He answered 'I could spend only of what I had in my purse.'
bozolazic 3 days ago
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lovejesustv 1 week ago
Powerful stuff there.
jebenn23 3 weeks ago
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@lovece7 hmmm ... Really? So answer me a question ... Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David ... They was poor people? If your son is hungry, do not you give food to the hin? The son of rich... they are poor?
roeupr 1 month ago
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roeupr 1 month ago
@AmbitionzAzAWriter I understand that Jesus died for the sins of ALL, but if you walk into the territory of a hostile nation, preaching the Gospel, the people will destroy you. After they kill and mutilate you, they will be just as muslim as before you came. I believe that's what Matthew 7:6 means.
Are you willing to die to preach the Gospel in a hostile muslim nation? If not, take the plank out your eye and your head out of your (you know where).
Sasha32659 1 month ago
He is saying just the thruth! The bible is very clear.
xochiltanielka123 1 month ago
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
amazed1066 1 month ago
Why do preachers not teach 1Timothy 6. Because it does not go along with their agenda! Great message here! Thank you for posting! :) Liz
Lachance8 2 months ago
Please understand Mr. Piper is speaking about a heart that SEEKS after riches. You cannot serve God and mammon. It is that simple. I can understand why he finds it abominable. So do I.
danieltwelve3 3 months ago
Why you abominate prosperity gospel? Why? Then, The SON OF GOD came just for religion issues? Our LORD is happy as a father who sees his son in poverty? God is our father, any father likes his sons are poor, sick, hungry...Don´t you think Mr Piper? I think you must not hate this gospel and these gospel preachers must not clearly demonstrate their preferrences for money. Balance Mr Piper! Balance prosperity gospel preachers and pastors!!! Be careful and wise Mr Piper.
PepoCanica 4 months ago
@PepoCanica It says in Isaiah 53 that "it pleased the LORD to bruise Him",speaking of Jesus. Jesus walked this earth for over 30 years and when he was crucified, roman soldiers divided his last few earthly possessions.
Christ says in Matt. 10:24 that the disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. If it was Gods' will for His own son to die on a cross would it not be arrogant of us to expect better treatment?All that live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution 2Tim3
samuelamos1 4 months ago 4
I was with Mr. Piper up until 7:04 where he starts saying that Christians are supposed to put their lives in danger to spread the gospel. What about Matthew 7:6? "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." I'm talking about Christians who go to places like Afghanistan, knowing there's a good chance they'll be butchered. You can't evangelize when you're dead.
Sasha32659 4 months ago
@Sasha32659 The Lord wants His Word to be shared with everybody regardless of race, creed, culture or religion. Who are you to decide who is good enough to hear His Word and then to misuse a scripture?! Sit in your nice safe home then you coward. There are many people all over the world who don't have the privileged to be a Christian freely and are dying every single day simply because they follow Christ and you have to nerve to determine who should hear His Word? You have no idea who Christ is.
lovece7 1 month ago
@lovece7 Ready for bible school, Lovece7? Matthew 15:25-26: The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs." Jesus did eventually help the woman, but my point is that even he recognized that certain people were less worthy of his time than others.
You're probably one of those Christians who pray to God like He's your genie. Get over yourself and READ your bible.
Sasha32659 1 month ago
look, i dont believe in "your best life now" either,,, but maybe some of this is a bounce back from the absolutely DEPLORABLE state of Christianity and the view they have of their OWN GOD!. Maybe God is behind the word of Faith movement and the Prosperity Gospel because you need an EXTREME counter to the kind of Jesus Piper offers the world and next generation of Christians will be more like Joseph Prince and bring a more accurate Grace filled LOVING Gospel.
hellbindercda 4 months ago
I'm sure God is really happy with you believing in double predestination and being a Calvinist also right? believing that God is the author of pain and suffering and forcing millions of people into sin before they were born and condemning them to eternal torment without help because He wants to "Glorify Himself" in their destruction. Yup.. that is a way better message than god Loves you and will provide for you and give you an abundance and healing in Jesus Christ. I'm totally there dude..
hellbindercda 4 months ago
um ok piper give ALL of your churches monay away to the poor, sell off ALL of your technology, your house, your cars, stop selling books.. and live on um 10k a year eating rice.. because surely THAT is what GOD really wants right?
hellbindercda 4 months ago
Funny John Piper. Abraham not was rich, David not was rich? What Jesus mean is..."Don't put your heart in the riches" and He not said that we can't have riches.
Obviously, salvation is above all these things.
You, tell me. Would like to see your children with hunger in need? Nope? Oh, can you imagine God then. He would like of that? I'm sure that not, because, then you would be better than God.
"I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10.10
roeupr 4 months ago
@roeupr You are a typical example of a brainwashed Christian. And that last scripture you threw out in support of why we should be rich on earth, if you haven't figured out that the life He talks about is eternal life in heaven, and not the temporary one here on earth, you have some serious spiritual evaluation to do along with purging and cleansing. Good luck.
lovece7 1 month ago
Deny your SELF, take up your cross, and follow me.
In this world there will be suffering, but we need to keep our eyes on heaven, where alll the tears will be wiped away.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@RomansGalatians you say that while on the internet typing on a computer, using electricity and wearing clothes you never sewed. shut up. You send your kids to school....hopefully you have a job...maybe a business or some means of gainful employment. So just shut up please....sell everything and go into a cave and await to go to heaven. We are not called to be practical failures while claiming to be supernatural successes...whatever that may mean. Genesis 1;26-28 is why you were created.
mambochief 4 months ago
@mambochief So, if your child was being attacked by a lion, would you not go to her rescue?
I do not deny THE FACT that health and money are in MY interest. But the question is: Is it ever God's will for me to act contrary to SELF-INTEREST?
Sure, if I can get money, I'll do it. But my focus and priority is NOT on money. And a Christian life will always result in a loss of self-interest in some way. Just like a soldier doesn't serve his own interests, neither do Christians. We surrender self.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@RomansGalatians THE FOCUS IS ON SOLUTION PROVIDING WHICH IS THE BASIS OF BUSINESS!!! You want to know how to walk in the Abrahamic blessing as promised in Gal 3? Observe the present jewish community....1/3 of 1% of the world population and observe their grasp on the means of prodction! You have to believe in the nobility of enterprise. We were not created to go to heaven....but to have dominion and subdue the earth....Read the Manufacturers manifesto the day he contemplated creating us.
mambochief 4 months ago
@mambochief Did you know that when Jesus was on the earth, they wanted Him to take office as King? He told them "My kingdom is not of this world." You know that there were poor people and slaves? And when Jesus left, the same corrupt Roman govt. was still in power.
You think money solves sin? Give a cocaine addict a million dollars and you might as well had given him a suicide pistol. He'll go buy coke and snort himself to death.
Money is no way to discern good from evil. Hitler had billions.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@RomansGalatians ....and you think you are making an intelligent argument about our call to be the head and not the tail?? About your call for things to multiply under your stewardship instead of deteriorate and diminish?? Really?? just to point...most things in scripture is about what is called enlightened self-interest!!! That is the reason why you are choosing heaven instead of hell...it's looking out for your self-interest. God's promises are 'if you...then I will...' for a reason.
mambochief 4 months ago
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@mambochief Being a Jewish believer myself; you misunderstand what Biblical blessings are. It is not a cause and effect thing. but rather, they're inheritance, which can be a blessing, but is often a curse! The vast majority Jews are secular. Read, study, meditate on the Word day and night; Christianity is in great decline in America. But, a new generation of emerging churches have risen that have questioned the prosperity gospel & its lack of understanding promise, provision, and purspose!
bocajjp1 4 months ago
@mambochief Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.” 24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
"enlightened self-interest"? My rear end.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@mambochief Don't get me wrong. I like it when I get things. If the whole world brought me gifts and served me, i'm sure I would enjoy that. But MY enjoyment isn't the central issue. Christ is.
And Christ promised persecution for followers of Christ. No, I don't want that. It sucks. But it will happen.
And if u tell someone: Come to Christ and get $, then when the promised persecution comes they say "hey, I was lied to. I thought $ was here." Then they fall away, like grass w/o roots.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago 3
@mambochief The biggest problem with your thinking is this "need-based" thinking. When you focus on your "needs," you will focus on what pleases YOU.
What if you were a steward to take care of your mother, and you had control of her checking account. And you go out and buy yourself a new wardrobe with her $?
No, it is ur duty to discharge her trust even if it brings U pain.
And being the "head" and not the tail means being a selfless leader. Leaders are the LAST to leave the sinking ship.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@mambochief If SELF-INTEREST is your focus, you will not understand a single thing about the Bible.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@RomansGalatians My friend to even imply that i could look at the cross and not understand God and other-centeredness is obscene! Listen to prosper means to multiply what is given you. It is an eternal divine principle... and it covers every area of our life! I'm tired for Christians spiritualizing failure while at the same time using technology and products that the unsaved produce! WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRODUCERS! The Head and Not the tail...was not just for the Jews but for God's elect!
mambochief 4 months ago
@mambochief I read rich dad, poor dad (most of it), and I have no problem with financial principles. And any good financial steward will act according to good financial principles. And if the prosperity preachers were just teaching economics, good.
But they aren't teaching economics, they're preaching Christ. 11 out of 12 disciples violently killed, martyrs throughout history, MLK with a bullet through his head.
If you preach Christ, you will be persecuted, here on earth.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
@mambochief The focus should be a GOD-CENTERED life & holy living. Not on politics and money.
Don't get me wrong. I vote and I make decent money. But I'll tell you what, if I had to decide between money & power, or God, I choose God. And don't think that such choices are rare for a Christian. Just last week I let a young, pretty girl go who really liked me because after talking to her I could tell that she wasn't really Christian. That hurt. I really, really liked her.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
YOUR best life NOW.
How does that get your focus off yourself and on to Christ? How does that get your eyes off of the temporary struggles and focus on those things eternal?
Olsteen's book should be called: "FOCUS on SELF and the here and NOW."
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
If a guy leaps in front of a bullet to save a child, it must not be in God's will. Because it's ALWAYS God's will for a person to be healthy.
No. You don't purposefully jump in front of bullets for no reason. But if preachers are saying that love will not bring pain and suffering for that love, it's probably because they love only themselves. Love brings pain and sacrifice for the ones you love, and the One you love.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
Self-centered people want money, sex, & power. It's like heroin; the more you get the more you want. The more pride is fed, the stronger it gets. Self lusts are NEVER full.
Jesus didn't come to fill your SELF-CENTERED cup with cash. Indeed, He came to BREAK YOUR CUP. Break your self reliance, self love, self exaltation.
Prosperity gospel FOCUSES on SELF. He wants to fill your new wine skin with God-centered desires, which may very well run contrary to self interests, and usually does.
RomansGalatians 4 months ago
Jesus Christ said blessed are the poor and woe to the rich (Luke 6:20-26). It's not that the money will destroy a man, but the desire of greed in which it can provoke. I struggle myself, because, should I not throw away all my posessions and give to the poor and just follow the Lord? It will destroy a man to pursue money, safe to be content with what you have and pursue Christ, and better to leave all your possessions and solely follow Christ. That man will be spiritually rich and rich in heaven
JogaHenryBonito 4 months ago
It's great to see people go off in tangents...
xXdavidEAcostaXx 4 months ago
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disccentury 4 months ago
i have never seen any people that are abundance conscious, being pierced and suicidal about anything. I was born in abject poverty and i have found more craving there for money than i have found amongst my prosperous friends. I am still shocked that some of the most generous people i know are also some of the most prosperous people i know. Does John know just the technology (and cost thereof) it took for him to have a nice pair of glasses, bible, HD video camera (grade A mic) and green screen?
mambochief 4 months ago
I'm soo tired of people who have never experienced real poverty speak against prosperity from their ivory towers. Does John know that what he has would be considered excessive in another part of the world? So no prosperity...and what do we take instead...failure? So i guess Abraham, David, and Joseph of Aramathea were really cursed, not blessed! Also God did not mean it when he said before fruitful and multiply subdue and have dominion. Instead of just quoting Paul...quote God the Father!!!!
mambochief 4 months ago
@mambochief John Piper is being naive and hypocritical. Lazarus would have stolen and killed the rich man to stay alive. The devil tempts with affliction and disadvantage not always with opportunity and advantage. He implies that failure is blessed. John Piper is truly encouraging suicide as if he were preventing it. He is twisted.
inheritthepromises 4 months ago
@mambochief Living in Canada, I am priviledged to eat, sleep, be educated, be safe, and express my faith in Jesus Christ. More than what half the world would wish for. I think that some people may recieve money in their craft, and some won't. But the problem is that these preachers are saying pursue riches, purse prosperity. We should pursue Christ, so that His name be glorified. Not pursue Christ because he can get me a higher wage. Because then you are pursuing the higher wage.
JogaHenryBonito 4 months ago
@mambochief You're clearly missing the point of what this man is saying. Try listening next time.
lovece7 1 month ago
@lovece7 What crawled up your snatch and died? Why are you so friggin rude to people, anyway?
Sasha32659 1 month ago
Truth.
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The video that shows what happens after death..watch "GOD'S PRISON" and see what will happen to you.
Electfilmproductions 5 months ago
Same o same o....just watchin'the world catch fire. Are the natives still restless over there? Looks like we're heading for austerity here in the states... You know that you don't want to piss old people off...they're already mad 'cause they're old. Repubs want to cut social security, medicare,medicade...demos want to let the mexicans turn this country into the same kind of shithole they're trying to get out of.
Makes no sense to me.... What immigration law? Obama needs the votes.His only hope.
godaddict 5 months ago
@godaddict No , the riots are over and the judiciary sent most of them to jail. Normally over here criminals get fined 3 quid and told not to be naughty boys ,but suddenly most of those useless shitheads got locked up.
It seems there is no middle ground in American Politics these days,which can`t be good for "society",if you believe in such a thing. I believe I will have some more of this rather fine Chianti. Nice to hear from you bro.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
Hey Rick! How's yer chicken plukin' goin'???
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godaddict 5 months ago
@godaddict Mr G/A ! long time. I haven`t played much recently because my teacher decided to become a famous rock star and has no time to jam. How is your world ?
ilikezappa 5 months ago
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disccentury 5 months ago
Survival of the fittest contradicts all virtue? Agreed , I dont see much virtue in a Spider. It does not mean that Darwinian evolution doesn`t happen though. A society based on Darwinian evolution would be horrible , like a sort of Republican one ,where the rich eat the poor. Theocracies are always nasty too.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa Agreed! Spiders would not adhere to youtubes commenting and posting standards. But evolution says you are no different than spider. Once again merely finding a different speices that looks similar to a so-called original species and then saying “see they can’t mate!” does not mean you ever observed one spawning from the other. Biological evolution genetics is illogical Buddhist symbolism at best.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises I take it you didn`t get very far in your biology class then. I am very different to a spider. I am capable of making moral choices for example (which do not require the wretched Jehovah to mandate thankyou very much). Molecular Phylogenetics is obviously a science,and if you dont think so,you should publish a paper refuting it. It will make you famous.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa I quote "It does not mean Darwinian evolution doesn't happen though." You are "morally" contradicting survival of fittest and natural selection by your choices! How are you going to fight de-volution from propogating diseases and lower life forms by morally chosing to ignore the African amaerican lower transitional intelligence as argued by the Darwinistist behavioural neuruology book the Bell Curve by letting blacks live long enough to reproduce their lessor DNA?
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises I am not going to fight it. I an English and will merely drink tea while you guys slug it out.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa I like your Impalla and guitar playing.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@ilikezappa I noticed the orange amp.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@ilikezappa orange amp = english. Impalla and fender strat = american.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@ilikezappa after the boston tea party we drink starbucks.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@ilikezappa blues = african american
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises No ,they were invented in Wales. One of the greats was BB King . The BB stands for Brecon Beacons,which is a range of giant mountains in the Severn Delta were he came from. PS I think you will regret the Boston Tea Party , or `76 terrorism ,as we call it. We are prepared to send the Queen over to claim you back and sort out your finances, if you ask nicely.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises ps thankyou for your kind words
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa you are a good musician.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises Thankyou. My style has evolved over the years arf arf Do you play ?
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa Molecular Phylogenetics is illogical buddhist symbolism.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@ilikezappa moral choices and survival of fittest are mutually exclusive. You are going to have to me pin you down on only one side of the fence. You cant have your cake and eat it too. It is either evolution or moral choices and never shall they meet.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Speciation has never been observed. You would be a lunistic to take a specific animal and say that it evolved from another specific animal because that speciation has never been observed. Similarities mean nothing. God created animals with similarities and man with similar bodies. But similarities are deceptive. Speciation is a delusion that has never been observed or caused by man. Similarities in creation are decpetive to the unregenerate mind. Man did not come from earth.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises Wrong ! Speciation has been observed in successive generations of fish and plants , who are no longer able to breed with the previous species because they are genetically different. If you message me I will provide you with some examples ,complete with the scientific verification. You will then ignore this I predict.
Your rigourous standards of empirical evidence before you believe in something are very praiseworthy though. LOL
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa Behavioural neurologists say psychiatry is scienfically proven in their labs but they don’t use mathematics. Evolution also has Buddhist symbolism for math. What is scientific is mathematically logical. Evolution is non-mathematical. It is impossible for any so-called scientist to OBSERVE a previous species spawn from the same species. Of course if you have a different species it can not mate with a God-created different species. You never observed speciation nor have math.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
What the Word of Faith Pentecostal are correct about is that the eating of the friut by Adam was not excess desire but a selling out and a devalueisation of the blessing and dominion unto satan. In Protestantism Original Sin was wanting more than what God gave but in Pentecostalism it was a devaluisation and a seling out of the original blessing and kingdom unto the serpent's control. This is a superioir and more acureate depiction of what happened in the garden of Eden. John Piper is wrong.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inherit Your spelling is sinful. PS An "Accurate"depiction of what happened in the Garden of Eden is nothing ,because it is a silly creation myth.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa sorry about spelling. big bang and evolution are illogical myths. once again there are no transitions at the zoo.The fact that it is obvious to the five senses that there are only separate species and no transitions at the zoo also disproves survival of the fittest and natural selection. The fact that evolution has never been proven undergirds that it is possible to really live by faith because like the animals in God in the storm to Job faith can be a way of life and survival.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises Ok ,I was waiting for "and the Earth is FLAT it is obvious to me or I would fall off" to complete your list of things you are wrong about. ALL species are transitional. The grass growing under your feet is a transitional form. Evolution is a hard fact sorry ,and if you had studied biology instead of taking the Bible for more than it actually is,you would agree.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa Have you ever been hang gliding? Have you ever been to Toledo Ohio? Do you have an identical twin brother? The fact is that biblical spirituality is an experience like any other experience. You have not been exposed to that biblical experience because you are predestined to hell. That is why you are blind to creation: 2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inherit Iwas exposed to the Bible frequently as a child,because I am English and it is compulsory in this country. Noone goes to church here tho, because most people aren`t interested in it. You get beautiful churches here which are nearly a thousand years old with two old ladies sat in the service. The priests here would not be so dumb as to question the overwhelming scientific consensus on evolution. That takes a special breed of American lunatic.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa Evolution is an extragenerational hypothesis that is outside of a generations powers of observation. Therefore evolution is an extragenerational myth. Science must be observed and testable by the generation You don’t even have trans-generational records of speciation such as cave drawings. Evolution argues that black are a lower form of evolution. IE the book the Bell Curve. Survival of the fittest contradicts all virtue.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
What the Evangelicals don't know is that the devil causes sins out of self defense and sins for survival. John Piper and Protestants are niave. It is not true that all sin is an expression of oppurtunity and excess desire. Sins can be cause from pain and disadvantage. It was very possible for Lazarus to sin against the rich man. Satan used affliction to extort Job. Pain can be as tempting as pleasure.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@onetrashdancer Equality is alive and well in New York. Great. Is that ENOUGH?
What if YOU could get married....but ONLY in New York? Would that be OK?
Stop demanding needless sacrifices of OTHERS. In a land where EQUALITY is the law, there are no differences made. There are no special bigots rights, and nobody to take away other people's rights.
Gay marriage hurts no one. Bigotry is the problem. Fix the problem and stop making up stupid rules to keep your faith based hate alive.
schlummieleinchen 5 months ago
@schlummieleinchen Homosexuality is hatred of the natural order. It is the end of civilization. America no longer has a military. Homosexuality is bigotry against the opposite sex. Faith based love is not hate. Opposites attract. Homosexuality is murder of the opposite sex.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepro Real Christians are atheists. Only when a person is free to do the right thing without being bound by a religious doctrine insisting he do wrong, can genuine character win.
Slavery, segregation, anti-gay, anti-foreigner, anti-everything mentality is taught and condoned by religion. Without "faith" in following evil doctrines, there's no limit to the good that can come from humans.
We all die and stay dead. That's not a belief, it's a fact. What is so terrible about this reality?
schlummieleinchen 5 months ago
@schlummieleinchen You are wrong on all counts. Faith is in love. Homosexuality is hate. Your history of slavery ect is all rooted in atheism. The Bible preaches "love your nieghbor as you love yourself". Faith is a matter of the heart. That is true freedom. You will not stay dead. It is a matter of revelation. You were created an eternal being. And you will exist for all eternity--in heaven or hell. It is a matter of predestination.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises PS Did you not read the part in the Bible that says,(I paraphrase) BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF YOUR SLAVES BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR PROPERTY,dont actually kill them though,because that is wrong and God might not like it. ????? That is fairly clear cut
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa Species do not give rise to different species. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN IT HAPPEN AND IT IS ILLOGICAL. There are only different species. GOD SPOKE THE WORLD AS IT IS INTO EXISTANCE AND YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A SPEICES GIVE RISE TO A DIFFERENT ONE. I took biology in college and the teacher did not say that species give rise to different species nor did he prove they do. YOU ARE BEING SILLY AND ILLOGICAL AND YOU ARE CONDEMNED TO HELL. NAME OF STALIN WAS MOST KILLING NOT NAME OF GOD.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@inheritthepromises Well , there are many listed instances of observed speciation freely available on the web. Either your computer doesn`t work or you haven`t bothered to check. I found dozens very easily ,all with credible scientific sources. What does Stalin have to do with it? He was nuts. God killed everyone on the planet except Noah and his buddies ,so in the hierarchy of murderers,he comes out way ahead of Stalin.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappaEVOLUTION NOT SAY “LOVE YOUR NIEGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF” EVOLUTION SAY BLACKS ARE LOWER TRANSITION. EVOLUTION DEFEATED BY REAGAN ADMINISTRATION AND BUSH= NO MORE COMUNIST RUSSIA. COMUNINIST RUSSIA USE PSYCHIC IN COURT. STAND IN LINE FOR TOILET PAPER. TOLERANCE IS BIBLICAL NOT ATHEIST. COMUNISM ATHEIST NOT TOLERANT. MELTING POT IS CALVINIST PURITAINS BASED ON PAUL APOSTEL TO GENTILES.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
It's hilarious to see how those with "strong faith" will stick to a point, and never budge, no matter how ridiculous it is.
To convince people without faith that they MUST believe or die is a tough assignment. It's like selling soft-serve dog shit, insisting it's chocolate mousse. The real challenge is to do the "taste test", like Mommy did when she tried to convince Baby that peas and carrots run thru a blender are delicious.
Religion is an acquired taste. Some of us just don't care for it.
schlummieleinchen 5 months ago
@schlummieleinchen If you don't care then why are you on here? Yea it's a free country but why y'all spend so much time talking or arguing about something you don't believe in?? It doesnt make sense. If I don't believe in something I'm not investing my time to talk about and especially not on youtube evangelizing against it...FAIL. Plus you have FAITH too its just on a different side and you know that!
faithbeliever316 5 months ago
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faithbeliever316 5 months ago
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@schlummieleinchen "like Mommy did when she tried to convince Baby that peas and carrots run thru a blender are delicious."
You are truly embarrassing yourself.
You need a life. Also, you have every FREEDOM to to keep your FAITH
don't let no one incuding Christians tell you otherwise, okay.
faithbeliever316 5 months ago
@goliath07 Do you ever watch the news OUTSIDE of the USA? The Tea Party is viewed as extremist religious terror group. On BBC News, Deutsche Welle and other major news organizations you can follow how THE WORLD feels about these inbred, undereducated fools! Please form your "opinions" from more than just FOX propaganda!
We've come a long way since the old religiously super-charged Pilgrims, but looking at morons like Sarah Plain and tea party loons you'd wonder. YOU support backward Theocracy?
schlummieleinchen 5 months ago
@utbecomntable You believe very easily. Had you grown up with wild bush people in remote village, you would believe as they would have told you there.
Life is not about believing, it's about learning. You don't learn much when you are told not to question wild and crazy stories.
Sorry, but atheism is a normal part of human evolution. Some reach that stage as early as grade school, others go to their grave as blind faith believers.
Enjoy! More for you! I've long outgrown the weird taste of it.
schlummieleinchen 5 months ago
No where is penal substitution acceptable on earth today.
Penal Substitution is barbaric, pagan, and profane.
That God would require a ransom for sin is more antichrist than that God would allow Jesus to suffer at satans hands for the Church.
Ransom is sacred and acceptable and tolerable that God would deafet evil.
But it is unacceptable that God Himself is the problem of evil.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
The animals represented satan's death not Jesus Christ's death.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
The old testament sacrifices pointed to the death of satan not the death of Jesus.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
The old testament sacrfices were types and figures of satan dying not Jesus dying.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
I am sorry to see you go. I understand Penal Substitution.
You don't understand Ransom Theology.
Satan is the schoolmaster.
The Holy Spirit is the promise.
Satan is not the promise.
the Holy Spirit is not the schoolmaster.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
The tree of the knowelge of good and evil was the tree of sacrfices.
The tree of life was the tree of mercy.
Serpent preaced salvation by sacrficiing to the woman and Adam.
The fig leafs represent Penal Substitution.
The animal skins represent Ransom Theology.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
God forsook Job to the devil because God was not appeased by Job's sacrfices for his cursing children.
Anselm was further away from Acts than Origen. Origen was closer to Acts than Anselm.
Penal Substitution is a falling away from Ransom in relation to the book of Acts.
All of the early Church fathers held to Ransom Theology.
Anselm was the divergance from the book of Acts beliefs.
Identification and Christus Victor are closer to Acts than Penal Substitution.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
God forsook Job to the devil because God was not appeased by Job's sacrfices for his cursing children.
Anselm was further away from Acts than Origen. Origen was closer to Acts than Anselm.
Penal Substitution is a falling away from Ransom in relation to the book of Acts.
All of the early Church fathers held to Ransom Theology.
Anselm was the divergance from the book of Acts beliefs.
Indentificatio
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Satan not God sacrifices:
Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law; Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
James does not say it is a good deed to ask for food and clothing. He does not say it is a good deed to be poor. He only says it is a good deed to give to the poor.
One way to get out of giving is to not have anything to give.
But the widow out in a mite that was greater than the Pharisees lavish excess pride saying corban to thier own needy parents.
It is niave and hypociritcal to not pray for money and health.
The widow that gave the mite to Creflow Dollar understood the truth.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
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inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2 In this video Dr. Piper relegates the poor and the sick unto salvation by death. But what about those who take hospitals hostage at gun point for medical operations for thier kids that they can't afford? What about stealing a gallon of milk to feed your starving family. What about mental illness causing crime? Dr. Piper is appearently to well off through donations to need to steal to feed his family.
The devil extorts Job to sin by affliction and need not pleasure.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2
There is a distinction between the schoolmaster and the promise.
In Job satan schools Job. But the Holy Spirit is the promise of the Father. The Holy Spirit forsook Jesus to the schoolmaster. God forsook Job to the schoolmaster. But the promise of the Father is only blessings.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2
kine implies offspring. I was comparing Amos 4:1 "kine of Bashan" with children of devil in John 8:44
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
In Job 1 satan successfuly schools Job. Satan accuses according to the law not God. Jesus does not accuse His elect.
Gal 4:8 ¶ Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
It was Ceasar Augustus that taxed the Jews.
The tax collectors were sinners because they worked for the Romans.
ie why Joseph and Mary had to travel to Bethlehem.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
They were afriad of losing thier nation as well as places.
Jhn 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Adam blamed God for giving him the woman. Only the woman blamed the serpent. Adam blamed God for giving him the woman.
Acts 2:23 does not make God the culprit as Adam did.
It was Adam's woman not God's hand that ate the fruit.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2 I quote Acts 2:23 for you earlier.
God's plan. Man's hands.
The Roman soldiers were the satanic foreign bulls Ceasar image on coin taxation of the poor bulls of Bashan.
the devils power of death (Heb 2:14)
Not God's hand. Only His plan.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
He was crucified by the Roman Empire and the Pharissies were of their father the devil. The Pharisees were afraid that the satanic Roman Empire would squash all of the Jews if Jesus continued to become popular. So they sacrificed Jesus to satanic Pilate. Jhn 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. Jhn 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
"forsake" is not "inflict". Not " ...why have you inflicted me?" Satan inflicted Jesus. the Holy Spirit forsook Him
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
John 8:44 ye are of your kine the devil... Amos 4:1 hear this word ye of the devil Bashan... Heb 2:14 the power of death that is the devil.
Isa 53:10 it was the will not power of the Lord.. the devil's power of death.
God's deterninate council only
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2 Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Amo 4:1 ¶ Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2 I was converted to the Reformation out of arminianism through Horton's White Horse Inn. I attended sevral PCRT's in the '90s. I dont believe in a general call to the reprobate or an age of accountability. I attended the Protestant Reformed Denomination for a while and am a former cessationist and supralasparian. I believe that faith is a gift in Eph 2:8 not from the will of man.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Isa 53:4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
It was the will of the Lord to allow satan to crush Jesus and to forsake Jesus to the lion, bulls, and dog's grief and make His SPIRIT in hell an offering for guilt by satans fires God will prolong Jesus days and the WILL NOT WRATH of the Lord shall prosper in Jesus hand and He shall divide satans spoil with the faithful for He poured out his spirit unto death.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Jesus was the Son of God and became a child servant under satan the schoolmaster spirit in hell, soul on cross, and body by stripes. So that we could believe in God's love now without death and physicians. Jesus went to the rich mans's flames not the bosum of Abraham so we could have the Abrahamic inheritance now without death. I am not arminian. I agree that it was God's will and choice not ours. But Piper is wrong that the only salvation after death and riches are evil.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
I am not arminian but Hagin was superioir to systematic thinking. There is more than regeneration and physicians and death in Scriptura. Ps 22 is about the lion and bulls and dog not God's wrath. The Holy Spirit promise forsook the Last Adam to satan the schooolmaster so the elect go from childishly serving satan the schoolmaster unto inheriting the Holy Spirit promise as sons of God. When Jesus got baptised He became Son of God. Reformation does not know Jesus inherited name when raised.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Thank you. I follow you. The problem with penal substitution is that Jesus dies after it is satisfied because the penality does not purge the guilty record. Adam gave satan a legal loophole to chastise the elect spirit in hell, soul on the cross, and body with bruises. So we are born satanically spiritually dead, soulishly misearble and physically infirmed. In penal substitution it is impied that the Holy Spirit poured wrath against Jesus when the Father turned His face. But Ps 22 is about
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
When I was a Calvinist my pastor and I used to ask the question: "if we were predestined to heaven why did Jesus need to be our substitute?" This is a valid critique of systematic thinking. God did not need to be appeased for those whom He foreknew and predestined to heaven. Adam submitted the Church to chastisement from satan, who is the "schoolmaster" in Gal 4. The elect never needed capitol punishment. God allowed satan to corporally chastise Jesus as a representative not substitute.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2 Adam sold out God's mercy and dominion which was given to him unto satan. The result was spiritual condemnation from satan for Adam and us. But the spiritual comdemnation came from satan not God. God resuced us from it by allowing Jesus (the last Adam) to be spiritually condemned in hell by satan so that we could be spiritually blessed by God. But the Reformation has Jesus die after penal substitution and requires the sin nature without hope without death and without miracles.
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
@Fleasfleas2 God does not use "the will of man" any more than he uses "the will of flesh". (John 1) Luke was a physician but he never wrote any accounts of medical practise. The question is does God answer prayer by the Holy Spirit? If you lift your eyes off of the Bible then you have men for MEN to use. In 1 Cor 13 love never fails. Pastor Piper relegates us to knowlege that vanshies away and fails. Love is perfect. Science is imperfect. God never needed to be appeased. Adam submitted
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
John Piper and Hank Hannegraph and John Macaruthur preach that wealth originates in toil and health origniatates in phyicians. Kenneth Hagin preached that wealth and health originate in et it is God.
John Piper loves money if the only way get it is through human toil.
If money is a gift from God then it comes from loving God through faith.
the love of money makes poor. the love of God makes rich.
John Piper heretically thinks that the love of money implies riches.
His zeal isn't knowledge
inheritthepromises 5 months ago
Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
Luke 9.23
DirtyABirdy 5 months ago
Some people are bound to be rich because they happened to be endowed with talent, good looks, DNA, inheritance, and connections they were born with. These are 'commodities' that have market values. There's nothing wrong with those. What's wrong is the inordinate desire to aspire for wealth at any cost.
MannyHMo 5 months ago
No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. --- Matt. 6:24
mrchiefofsinners 5 months ago
David Pawson hates the prosperity preaching as much this John Piper. This is what he says.
"You only a Christian because it pays, for what you get out of it" Here's another quote "They think it might bring bit more health and a bit more wealth or whatever. That basically people are selfish, and therefore if God doesn't bless them, They'd finish with God ". Thank God we have men like Piper, Pawson, and Lloyd Jones (deceased) around.
bobo577 5 months ago
The TV Pimps & servants of satan (are sadly now more powerful than many high witches/warlocks) once walked Holy & Humble now they are leading the Masses to The Feat/Worship of the antichrist, the dark fake jesus not YAHUSHUA/JESUS OF THE HOLY BIBLE OF ANOINTING POWER. But they come in a counterfeit strong strangefire anointing from hellfire. YAH'S DOOM WILL BE HERE SOON IN YAHUSHUA'S/JESUS' NAME will be UPON them. They Refuse to Repent and are STORING YAH'S WRATH.
YAHSHUASDemonStomprs 5 months ago
@ManardGCrebs PART 2
I'll lay it on the table: You are unable to contend for the faith once delivered to the holy, by yourself, with just your Bible and the revelation God has given you, without parroting men.
Your arguments against me are UNORIGINAL and you'd NEED to reference their source to try to present a case. You're unqualified to make an argument FROM YOUR HEART without the help of others.
That's the place 99% of you unbelieving critics are. YOU'RE TOLD WHAT TO BELIEVE.
That sucks.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
@ManardGCrebs By the way, poor reading comprehension is indicative of a simple failure to pay attention; the same affliction that is evident in your poor spelling, your erroneous accusation and your failure to be able to assimilate Biblical truth.
Please note that I differentiate that last remark (mine) from "being able to swallow the unbelieving lies of preachers." That takes little to no effort.
You're arguing in defense of your brainwashing. I'm not impressed.
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911dispatcher 6 months ago
@ManardGCrebs CONTINUED
What's the solution? TURN OFF THE UNBELIEVING and IDIOT PREACHERS whose unbelief you swallow without the "noble-mindedness" of the Bereans, and READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF.
Unfortunately, I doubt that would do you any good, because you're most certainly SET IN THE CONCRETE OF UNBELIEF you've been spoon fed.
"Oh, that's so unloving!"
Has anything else shaken you from your spiritual lethargy and grotesque unbelief?
You don't even recognize it; you're so blind to Scripture.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
@ManardGCrebs "...I think you have a strong belief system but you are wrong."
Of course, you're completely incapable of presenting a sound and thorough doctrinal case disproving anything I've said, which is typical of unbelieving Baptists. You're brainwashing is evident in your inability to understand my post, for which you asked, "What's your point?"
You're too much of a spiritual baby to understand the Scriptural basis of what I said and that's why you didn't understand.
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911dispatcher 6 months ago
@911dispatcher OOPS typo -- "you're" for "your"
911dispatcher 6 months ago
@911dispatcher wow... twice in one post... too much emotion .. but I've watched unbelieving "believers" for almost 40 years attack the precious truths of the Word of God because some stupid lying unbelieving preacher told them the precious truths being taught elsewhere were wrong and it's gotten REALLY OLD. I know what the Word of God teaches and can thoroughly defend WITH SCRIPTURE ALONE, everything I stand for and 39 plus years of this nonsense has shown me YOU AND YOUR ILK rely on DECEIT.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
again, john needs to donate all the profits from all his sales to the poor.. and i mean all. he needs to move out of his fancy house and sell his fancy car or cars and live like A.W Tozer did. what "tribulations" is john going through? Jesus talks about tribulations and pursecutions along with being taken care of Financially, Spiritually, and Physically by Gods Grace. If you teach faithfully the scripture you will land about half way between a faith preacher and men like piper.
TheHellbinder 6 months ago
@TheHellbinder Watch out now. You don't want the sheeple to start thinking, do you?
They're content being told what to believe by those they trust. If you "mess with" that, they won't know what to do, since they're completely unable to hear God speak through His Word. Excuse me... did I say "unable"? I should have said "too full of unbelief to recognize that God actually has a voice and can speak to His kids according to John 10:27 and a plethora of other verses."
After all, when did
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911dispatcher 6 months ago
@TheHellbinder 2
Piper, just as the VAST majority of unbelieving Baptist preachers EVER tell their congregations that that can hear God and should hear Him on a regular basis? What Baptist preacher ever mentions John 10:27? What Baptist preacher tells people to believe God's promises of healing? To receive the Holy Spirit as is promised AFTER one believes?
No, Baptist preachers are known for "We're right" and "God ain't doin' nothin' the fanatics say He is."
911dispatcher 6 months ago
is that the sound of piper depositing the fat check from his last book he sold to countless thousands of christians? so in other words... its ok for ME to be rich but its bad for YOU to be rich!! There are many many poor people on their way to hell. most people who desire to be blessed by God are not looking for millions of dollars. Classic calvanistic straw man argument with ZERO understanding of what the scripture is actually teaching. Hey John please send me a check since you dont want it.
TheHellbinder 6 months ago
@khalidsnowden Good and Scripturally sound
911dispatcher 6 months ago
@911dispatcher Yea, I don't like when Christians get confused and build a whole theology on this. Prosperity is good and has always been good no where in scripture where it shows God condemning it unless it was someone who was DRIVEN by it. Mansions and gold will be in Heaven.."thy KINGDOM come on EARTH as it IS in HEAVEN!"
khalidsnowden 5 months ago
@khalidsnowden Will there be any shitty poor people there to clean the pool ? What crap. What kind of spirituality is there in craving gold and mansions ? You Christians are an affront to Jesus. He should hang out with us Atheists instead of you materialistic lowlives
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa anywho since my statement is so materialistic take it up with Jesus, HE put the mansions in Heaven not I goodbye. John 14:2: “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” –Jesus
khalidsnowden 5 months ago
@khalidsnowden I doubt it. It sounds like all the other religions who offer a bribe of a comfortable afterlife in return for obedience on Earth. A spiritual man would not desire earthly riches reinvented in some crass "heaven" , where only true believers go,and shitty people of other faiths are denied access. What a piss poor vision of the divine that is. I hope you grow beyond it.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@ilikezappa It's okay, I pray one day you find truth.
khalidsnowden 5 months ago
@khalidsnowden You get to the truth by considering evidence. Meditate on that thought amigo, I will leave other people to call each other pig.
ilikezappa 5 months ago
@khalidsnowden When weak infantile Christians are bred and brainwashed with contempt and hatred for everyone who doesn't say "Shiboleth" the way "we" do, you get this kind of nonsense.
Most "Christians" follow men and swallow whatever their favorite preachers and teachers tell them. They can often parrot them but can't address much of any truth outside of what they're TOLD to believe.
This is why so many Christians believe the LIES ABOUT TITHING -- THEY'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED.
911dispatcher 5 months ago
@Johnapeterson the Bible says "money answers all" but NOWHERE does it say, "money is evil."
If you think it does, you have a bad translation and/or you've failed to check the Greek.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
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@ManardGCrebs "It can be proven but you dont really have a channel."
If you'd learn how to spell "911dispatcher" you'd find my channel.
Once again, paying attention matters.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
@ManardGCrebs The things I've just said to you show how it IS important what you think and what you believe and what you say. You're IGNORANT about the place of your tongue. Romans 10:9-10 tells you that it's YOUR TONGUE which brings salvation to you but you don't get it. The Bible is MOSTLY a closed book to you and you DON'T HUNGER AND YOU DON'T THIRST for it.
Lie and tell me you do.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
When you read in Scripture, "I would that ye all spake with tongues" how many seconds did it take you to say, "Me, God. If you want me to have it, I want it!"
How many years has it been now that you've REFUSED TO PRAY OR EVEN THINK like that?
And you're not FULL OF UNBELIEF?
Yeah, right.
When was your last miracle healing? When did you refuse to go to the doctor because you said, "JHWH-Rapha" is MY GOD and "by His stripes I was healed!"
Do you recognize Scripture when you see it & REFUSE IT
911dispatcher 6 months ago
@ManardGCrebs The only facts you know is unbelief.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
We have a supernatural God and it's been evidenced from the beginning of man until today and John and the Baptists DESPISE the supernatural and PREFER THEIR UNBELIEF and attacking EVERY MINISTER who ministers in the supernatural.
These same men fail to see their kinship with the Pharisees in their similar UNBELIEF.
You cherish "pie in the sky by and by" but you mock any and all who practice the signs and wonders THE MASTER said would follow THEM THAT BELIEVE.
You cherish POWERLESS religion.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
The letter I posted should explain everything and answer any questions one might have. I've posted quite a bit in the last day and would like to NOT answer questions or challenges until ALL who would challenge me take the time to CAREFULLY read the letter and CONSIDER the many SCRIPTURAL points I made that John IGNORED IN ALL HIS DISHONEST DIATRIBES AGAINST GOD'S WORD AND GOD'S MINISTERS FAITHFULLY PROCLAIMING GOD'S GOODNESS TO HIS CHILDREN, EVEN REPEATEDLY PERFORMING SUPERNATURALLY TO PROVIDE.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
Now, a few of you know that John Piper took EIGHT MONTHS OFF.
This is the man who preaches against prosperity. This is a man who says he isn't against money, just keeping too much of it.
How many of you can just TAKE OFF WORK FOR EIGHT MONTHS? Another question. Can ANYONE who is NOT prosperous take off for eight months and not work?
Where I come from, this is called hypocrisy. John Piper is prosperous enough to leave his job for EIGHT MONTHS to then resume preaching against prosperity.
?????
911dispatcher 6 months ago
(letter end14)
to me.
Tell me that everyone who believes 3John 1:2 (Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth) is a phony, a fraud and not born again.
I don't think you can see my point... unless your conscience works better than the Pharisees'.
Sincerely,
911dispatcher 6 months ago
(letter13)
when you promote hunger for God out of one side of your mouth and out of the other side of your mouth you repudiate the brethren... even if they're the worst of the brethren. There's no need to wonder about how Jesus feels about it when He stated it so clearly. He said the way you treat the least of His brethren is how you treat Him. Apparently, John isn't very familiar with that verse. It's Matthew 25:40. You might want to read it. And please comment on it in your response
911dispatcher 6 months ago
(letter12)
"Beloved, I would above all things that you prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers."
When did God remove that verse from *your* Bible?
And which verse says, "Attacking your brethren is as good as preaching the Word of God"?
Have you ever in your life considered why it was only the Bible authorities that Jesus called "actors"?
Is it not acting when you repudiate prosperity while you live in prosperity?
Are you familiar with the term "posers"?
That's what you are
911dispatcher 6 months ago
(letter11)
demonstrate how evil it is to teach that God wants his children to prosper, shouldn't John teach that he wants his own children poor? And shouldn't John be poor also?
To put it another way, I've always wondered at all the Baptist preachers on TV who live in nice homes and drive nice cars WHILE they tell everyone the prosperity message is evil.
In other words, "The prosperity message is evil but my prosperity is good."
And of course, you see no problem with this mixed message.
911dispatcher 6 months ago
(letter10)
criticizing other preachers, and, as I said, you're doing so in a slipshod fashion by attributing statements to which you are unable to attach names, other than the Word of God, of course, because indeed God did promise the Israelites that even their cattle wouldn't miscarry (and the NT says we have a better covenant) but again, we're back to the same problem of your pretending that men of God have failed to tell us that He wants His children to fail and to be poor.
Why? To