The message is -- Silence = Consent. Penn wanted the nation to understand his views... they contravene the rhetoric of glenn beck... yet he defends him because he is weak and feeble compared to the liberal academic giants. He pities glenn beck, and that much is obvious to astute observers like me. It's the, "I'm cool, but I play chess with the nerds" psychology. Penn is a real libertarian, glenn beck isn't... it's only cool until you get called a nerd too.
@EsotericSanity As in, from this video? You might be correct, but not in the way that (imo) you intended; this person appears to say that Penn was looking at the problem superficially; as in, Glenn Beck isn't just an 'independent' voice among the masses, but he's also a person who views things in black and white, and presents his points to his audience in the same, exaggerated manner.
@EsotericSanity In that sense, I think Beck says that 'people who don't agree with me shouldn't be allowed to say anything, because there are only 2 camps, a perfect dichotomy, you're either with me and right, or you're wrong'.
@EsotericSanity Well, in a superficial way, yes, perhaps, but not in the sense that 'I think your ideology is incorrect', but I think in the sense of 'the way you present your argument is incorrect', and I think those two viewpoints are quite different, and don't deserve a general 'you should have free speech, as long as I agree with it' label.
ok yes I see...this coming from a guy with a ring in his nose and plugs in his ears with a douchewad haircut. GREAT yeah guy, I take you real serious-like! duh.
wtf have you to offer anyone? Best to keep your mouth shut and make us wonder than open it and remove any doubt.
@Jcolinsol and he looks like what? Puke? Personally I think you like like a stupid but I kept that to myself till just now, didn't I? Like I said, better keep your big mouth shut than open it and remove any doubt you're a fool.
@Jcolinsol It made perfect sense to everyone else than you. That is called "you're a stupid fuck". Stupid fucks like you would be happy in a socialist world. You are the 18th if not the 108th percentile in this country. you are the loser minority that has cast a long shadow for far too long. You fucks will lose, and with it your ideals will soon die. Today is election day you fuck- live and watch as everything you hold dear is made pale. WE THE PEOPLE are taking it all back. You lose.
@LeonRFpoa Yet, for some reason I am not surprised that you have trolled more on this video... I see this is all you do is go around trying to offend, upset, annoy, and be an ass to people here. That is the definition of a troll, which is exactly what you are. It's exactly why you was on the Jeep videos. This does in fact prove that you have no life at all what so ever, you have no friends, and most likely you live with your parents still at 30 years old. I kinda feel bad for you now. Pathetic!
@LeonRFpoa I think we just found out 100% who the troll really is, you have showed everyone how much of a loser troll you really are. Just like you trolled this video, and all the Jeep videos, and a lot of others.... Yet again, I have proved I am right, you are nothing more then a loser ass troll.
@skiddlecrumms Guess so! I just predicted everything accurately because I'm not blind and at this time everything I said stands. The 'agenda' is at a standstill.
@LeonRFpoa I meant about judging him based on phenotypics. This guy is one of the most intellegent people I have found on youtube, even if he has a septum ring and guages.
@skiddlecrumms No I'm judging him because he's a fuckin moron. Phenotypics my ass, if this is a 'intelligent' person to you...son, you have a LOT to learn. hes FILLING PEOPLES HEADS WITH SHIT LIKE HIS LIBERAL SCUM COLLEGE PROFESSORS. It's not wisdom at all, it's more played out stale rhetoric. It and he are irrelevant.
@LeonRFpoa "ok yes I see...this coming from a guy with a ring in his nose and plugs in his ears with a douchewad haircut. GREAT yeah guy, I take you real serious-like! duh."
You are totally right, there is no phenotypical prejudice in that comment what so ever.
OK, you do realize you just said that Glenn Beck is polarizing, and that because of that we shouldn't be acknowledging him. I hope you are smart enough to realize that social, and political polarization is a state of mind. By disagreeing with GB so strongly you set yourself far apart from him, thereby becoming nothing more then another example of polarization simply on the other side. Penn had it correct the first time. This video wasn't necessary.
@chezypuuf jesus man, are you serious? Don't pull this "you do realize" shit. Look - opposition is necessary in life, it's how we evolve and progress ... but what this homie is talking about is Beck and the rest causing this fissure in America. The separation of ideals to such a point that America is literally falling apart. There is no unity anymore, There is America-A and America-B and America-C
@chezypuuf Glenn Beck is on the air simply because he is a gold mine for the network. They don't give a fuck about what he thinks - and why does Glenn Beck sell? Because he's so edgy and so sure that America's going down hill and we're all going to die ... blah blah blah. Negativity is doing nothing for us. So here's the gig - Glenn Beck is a Mormon. My whole family is Mormon except my little brother and myself. They believe that before the big J comes back to judge everyone that the U.S. will
fall because we're all evil. Whatever right? Religious shit. But Glenn Beck is taking his fear in this prophecy by Brigham Young and broadcasting it. So yeah man - Glenn Beck is doing the same shit religious - one sighted crack heads have done through out history who have caused some of the most damage to human progression since recorded history. So he's being a fear monger. HOW ABOUT SOMETHING POSITIVE!? Jesus fucking christ. Why are you defending Beck anyway?
@chezypuuf it's him and all the other fear mongers on CNN and FOX and all the spin doctors that freak people out and cause this fissure of negativity. They are severely damaging our country. Anyway ... we need to focus on the positive side of being human and positive progression, not this fear-mongering preaching fire and brimstone.
@ender3711 You missed my point entirely. First my point is This video was an example of polarization. It was not needed since Penn had it right the first time. 2nd The left was all "The sky is falling" when GW was in office. It's how the game goes. I'm not defending Beck. I'm defending his rite to say whatever he wants, and it's your rite to ignore him. Best part is his critics "IF YOU LISTEN TO GLENN BECK OUR WHOLE CIVILIZATION WILL REGRESS!" Ya know cuz of his fear mongering.
@chezypuuf ah, you're right. Sorry, sorry dude, I did kinda miss your point. Yeah, I don't think his fear mongering is going to cause any sort of regression - I just think we need to be more positive in our news media. Not fake positive, but like - We can, and will be a strong-willed progressive people across the world. Infact, I just gave a talk on this last week. Positive thought == positive action == positive movements. It all starts from thought. Thought -> action -> world.
I agree; the brand of democracy that we have in this country doesn't do anyone any good. In fact, it's not democracy; how 'free' are we to elect our own officials when our only choices can be 'guy 1' or 'guy 2.' I get 32 choices (and any combination there-of) when I buy ice-cream but when it comes to the leaders of our country it's...2! Yes, we start with a larger pool, but that’s always widdle down to the ‘best’ 2 by Party insiders, the media and deep-pocket contributors! Who are they!
How can anyone take you seriously with that juvenile ring sticking out of your nose? Seriously, that thing screams, "look at me, I'm an ass-hat, I need attention because I'm soooooo hip, different, and rebellious that I got a nose piercing"! ...and to top it off, you make pretentious YouTube videos like you're some kind of deep thinking intellectual. Talk about coming off as being an adolescent attention seeking jerk-off. Grow up, dude.
Freedom of Speech? How's this for some Freedom of Speech?
'Save America' for what? So people can watch more porn? So I can have daughters in your piece of shit country so they can grow up and do porn? To breed 'future internet porn meat' for you scumbags? Fuck you
How's that for some motherfuckin' 'Freedom of Fuckin' Speech?' you motherfuckers.
I think that most people, when given several arguments will gravitate to the one that most reflects their own beliefs. Just because a network may only present two sides to an issue doesn't mean that the viewer has to make an either/or choice. People are influenced by friends, colleagues and various media. Beck is popular because his core beliefs are similar to that of most people. Unfortunately, many people are one-issue-oriented and get easily offended if "their one issue" is challenged.
@RuskinY I disagree with an aspect of what you said. Just as many people watch Fox News because they enjoy yelling at their TV as people who watch because they agree with any particular pundits ideologies. Some people watch Glenn Beck because they think he's mad and they find that entertaining. My father is a hard line democrat and he watches Fox News and listens to conservative radio more than anything else.
@GenerationB0RED I'm not a democrat or republican. I like to consider myself an extreme leftist, but I prefer to listen to conservative talk shows and fox news for entertainment purposes and i guess to know your enemy's mindset.
This seems to be a good argument and I may even agree with you. However, I should point out that Penn's argument had nothing to do with Glenn Beck or his ideals, so much as it was about people who write in to complain about shows they don't watch.
Stop lumping everyone together. Everyone has a thought [process that leads them to their belief system. They hate Glenn BECAUSE of his show. The show itself is absolutely BRILIIANTLY produced and is soooooo effectve pointing the absolute ridiclousness of the current system. I double dog dare you to watch the show.
Well then my original statement stands. As Glenn might say, "Question with boldness" I trust all these pols NOT. Americas strength lies (or used to) in NOT trustiing the government to do anything that can be done without it. Individuality. Self reliance. Strength.
I am self made and that makes me viciously anti-liberal. I consider it the weakening of any culture that embraces it. Note Europe and it's total lack of entrepeneurs. The cant invent anything because it's been bred out of them
I'm not at all sure that you watched my video. These criticisms (?...I don't even know what they are) of yours have exactly nothing to do with this video.
Oh, dude, just shut up. YOUR video speaks of LUMPING. You said it. YOU. I dont think you've thought this out. Dissentes are in every slice of the political spectrum. Code Pink and MOVEON are dissenting RIGHT NOW. That's the point. Your video stinks because it makes no sense on its surface.Watch yourself and understand that what I see is not a cojent arguement based in logic but a statement of belief that is flawed. I would like to finish this up by asking "Does that thing bother you?"
I was asking Penn why he thought lumping was okay, in forcing people to one side or another as they are polarized. Did you watch Penn's video? I mention it, I'm speaking to him, and it's Re: his video.
But if you see no point in what I'm saying, how are you arguing? You need a point to argue against in order to argue. Apparently, in the absence of one, you made up your own, or something. I don't know why, absolutely everyone else that commented had no trouble understanding.
i don't like the left/right dichotomy or at least how it is characterized in the mainstream. these two positions are not clrealy established or principled. they seem to be defined by the oposite of a proposition.
We need controversy, and we need polarizing subjects. What we don't need it a herd culture that never allows dissent or one that blindly follows a charismatic leader to one side or the other.
Here's my idea pretaining to what I believe your conclusion is: it doesn't matter if somone or something is polarizing. Its the responsibility of the individuals in the masses to choose what they'll believe and out about.. Chastizing dissent for causing polarization is ludacris because it opens the up the possibility of never being allowed to disagree and as Jefferson put it "The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom."
Basically my interpretation of your message is "Its a shame that we praise people who polarize populations by loudly dissenting over controversial subjects, speech, actions etc."
If I'm wrong then please do me the kindness of correction.
I just want you to know that the thing you said about Republicans and Democrats and not voting for either is a very big message that Glenn Beck also talks about a lot. Lately he has been talking more and more against Republicans.
u r largely right but its the media its self that makes it one side or the other. and honestly fox is playing to crazy fucking people so im with msnbc alot but even with that said they do talk shit about obama when he fucks up. and im not in the right or the left i just want americans to treat people with respect and care. and really obama is a pussy, i like him but he doesnt stand up for anything. and there has never been an independent president its a two party race. i dont like it, but it is
I gave you 5 stars for this video. I agree with everything you said, and you are obviously intelligent and highly articulate, but if you don't get rid of that thing from your nose then nobody is going to take your opinions seriously. This is constructive feedback and I don't mean to offend you personally. Thanks for posting.
You are making a good point, however you totally missed his point.
I noticed he lost a star on the ratings for that video and most people are like you, they just totally miss what he is saying and go off an a tangent. I understand what you are saying and it's very important, yet it really doesn't apply to his point.
And AIG did NOT need to be saved. AIG was a toxic business plagued with scandals and bad business practices for YEARS, and thanks to government regulations, they were able to continue buying everything up that they could get their hands on. If the government hadn't propped AIG up, it would have died long before it ever got "too big to fail" (a phrase so utterly absurd that it hurts).
Go do a google search for "history of government bailouts."
Also... Bush saved AIG, and gave them 700 billion in unregulated "free market" funds. His last "fuck you" to America. That's $2,400 to ever man woman and child.
LOL don't get me started on Bush... his fucking "holy war". That man is a shit stain in our history books.
What the fuck does Bush have to do with anything? Obama did the same thing. Big fucking deal. All that means is that you're stupid if you think politicians are actually going to help you. Or some kind of mythical elected savior is going to be able to unfuck our government. It's not going to happen.
Pretty much every president ever is a shit stain on our history books. Not that anyone would ever notice, since the history books themselves, in the public schools anyway, are statist propaganda piles of shit.
after watching your video, i watched Penn's video and agree with you. However, it was intriguing that the person he chose to compare Beck to was Abby Hoffman. It reminded me very much, and was reinforced by your own video, of the quote by Evelyn Hall in a letter to Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Left, right, republican, democrat... it's all bullshit. Don't buy into the two party system at all. Behind closed doors they are pushing for the same agendas. Only in the public media they portray one against the other. All a front to manipulate public opinion. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Especially, Glenn Beck. He's a damn shill, working for Faux news of all networks. All mainstream media is bullshit.
Beck's one of those right wing characters that its easy to make a buck off of.
I spent some time in the slammer during the early 80's for dealing pot. All the hard timers (who were political at all) were republicans. They had an animal instinct for those who avoided complexity and used goofball cliches to tweak shit for themselves.
Glenn Beck only "challenges authority" in a very superficial and narrow sense. He's far too busy engaging in a narrow anti-obama, anti-democrat sentiment to see any broader picture.
JimmerSD really hit the nail on the head. News corporations still operate through capitalism; you will be told half-truths and taught to polarize if it is economically beneficial for the corporations.
I often find myself defending Fox News, because the feeling I get from the people who criticize it seems to be that they think it shouldn't exist or that it should be changed to whatever they think "fair and balanced" means. My position is that yes it's conservative, and yes it's biased, and it should be allowed to exist and be both of those things. If people don't like it, they can vote by not watching it. Let the free market decide. I think that might be how Penn feels about Glenn Beck.
The whole concept is a creation of the Corporate Media Machine. IMHO "We" are an amalgam of these views. Those who stand rigidly on one side or the other are fools and are manipulated. The problem is that the CMM has decided that divisiveness sells. Conflict sells. Us vs them sells. There is money to be made in the argument whether the sky is blue vs. azure. So don't blame Glen Beck or Ed Schultz for being contrarian pricks, they are cut from the same cloth and that is what they are paid to do.
The news media is symbolic and silly. It targets our heart strings, loves to cement uncertainties, play to our prejudices, and support the status quo.
This is something that gets pretty old. They do it on purpose. Either you think Obama deserves 100% compliance on every issue or you're Glenn Beck. They present two sides with equally stupid positions and everyone spends so much time arguing over how stupid the other side is that they don't realize any of the problems with their own view. It's a long-standing tactic - they don't even bother to come up with new arguments when they flip around which "side" is in power.
I'd just like to speak out in tribute to all the hard working rodeo clowns that practice a respected and honored tradition of protecting Americans from bull(s).
newt gingrich is being advertised in this video. thats awesome. Newt made his wife sign divorce papers while she lied in a hospital bed fighting cancer.that guy is total badass. I love that someone THAT FUCKING COLD was in control over the entire FUCKING COUNTRY for 8 god damn years. and now here he is being advertised on your video. representative government. such a blessing. so much better then democracy. so much better to have dictators then for us to just be able to vote on laws ourselves.
Thanks for this video Az. You have made very valid points in that the media is polarizing the nation. I think the inception of this trend was somewhere during the Clinton administration, or maybe during the first administration of Bush. Any how, take everything with a grain of salt.
Not only does the media polarize, it also tends toward the right. Not, perhaps, because they are necessarily conservative, but because the establishment is. And the media wants to please the establishment, so very, very much.
Of course, because they derive profit from them (the establishment). But, channels free from that chain of constant need of money (public funded institutions) don't need to be so biased, and often are not. Sure, sometimes they reflect the interests of the financier (the state), but where freedom of the press exists, and so does freedom from private finance, we see a less strong bias. But still a far cry from socialism.
Why defend someone who for an important part of their public image, is reliant on moderatorship? All news is syndicated, which means it must be mediated.
The "political issues" dealio right now is not about people, it's much more simple. It's about the ideas these people have and our inate inability to seperate the ideas from ourselves, or from others.
I may hate a few political ideals and their idealists right now, I may want to punch a few in the face at times. But I don't; I distinguish.
You have made the assumption that it is left right positioning. Beck tries hard, against his own nature, to not be of the right. At least the attempt is admirable if largely ignored. Even mild attempts at breaking the left right dichotomy should be celebrated ... even the feeble and confused attempts.
Actually, it sometimes seems as if Beck doesn't care too much about ideology. It would look that way from the perspective of his past career, as well.
i really like penn but that's just a naive thing to assert. or disingenuous, coming from someone who works in entertainment and should know better.
go read rupert murdochs own words, where he says nothing goes out on fox, newscorp or any of it's newspaper and television affiliates, without him approving it first.
that shit is all scripted.
when you want to know what the corporate machine is up to, you can't depend on them to tell you. obv
Beck's shtick about the dangers of government would be more credible if he didn't deliberately ignore all the extraordinary totalitarian powers that Obama has inherited from Bush and that are only waiting to be abused by him or one of his successors.
I use to watch the Penn says video blogs and wait in excitement for the next one to come but now there's the stupid copyright country restriction that shouldn't even be a part of Youtube it just make me say what the fuck
The problem is that most of the people on Fox News and right wing radioare just right wing trolls. O'Reilly, Beck, and Limbaugh don't believe in what they say. None of them is really well-educated or of above-average intelligence. They are just cynics.Each of them says to himself: "If I keep saying the right-wing sh*t, I get millions of dollars. F*ck the truth."So, I agree, we shouldn't respect completely insincere criticism. However, we should enthusiastically welcome sincere government dissent
A lot of conservatives are already starting to distance themselves from Beck. So rather than polarizing the center, he's actually polarizing the right. And the further right he goes the more people on the right get nudged to the left. So I'm hoping he stays on the air and gets even crazier. Maybe someone will slip him some acid. That would be an interesting show.
Well, think about this: the reason they are polarizing is because of pressure from the left. If enough people call someone stupid, you'll distance yourself from that person so you won't be associated with them. That's where a polarization of the right comes in. But that starts with an already polarized left, and that's where people like Beck have already done their work. My point is that we shouldn't glorify anyone that polarizes, even with recognition as a dissenter.
And, just to finish the thought, the big reason polarization is bad is because, in a setting where things are framed in extremes, you can only use extreme language to get anything done.
Well, as I'm sure you know, there are multiple dimensions to political thought rather than just one left/right spectrum. And we don't hear much from the mainstream beyond this single dimension. Maybe, if this polarizing pressure were to build to a large enough extent, it would break through into the larger framework. The scope of debate widens and the pressure is 'released'. And of course we can always try to poke holes where we can to accelerate this process.
And if he calls out some loon on the left, he makes thinking people's work a little easier by strawmanning his opposition and himself at the same time. So there's a self-correcting mechanism at work.
I agree, but what I don't like about that plan is that we're nowhere near a collapse of media extremism. E.g. the news anchors have only begun to be the news. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, and that scares the shit out of me. So I guess I'd rather keep trying to get someone's voice loud enough that they can pull us back. And that starts with discrediting polarization itself.
There are instances where a polarizing force might be useful such as overturning despotic laws that people wouldn't ordinarily think about. Scenarios where you have to energize the population before a debate can be had. What leaps to my mind is when Obama was asked about pot legalization and he simply chuckled. Sometimes you have to scream at these fuckers till you're blue in the face. I'd rather live in a polarized free society than a civil despotism. But we may have to agree to disagree.
Miss information is sedition at best but mostly it seems like mindless vandalism.
I don't know much about Beck but I'd bet London to a brick if you studied his career in journalism it would be popularity that guided his politics more than any study in it.
I like dissent because I need to hear both sides to an issue to make up my mind for myself. I disagree with a lot of what Glenn Beck has to say but I need to hear that point of view just in case someone on the other side didn't provide the whole story.
Just like your videos criticize religion. I would have never known about the negatives of religion if it weren't for your videos and i'm sure you get a lot of hate for pointing this stuff out.
But there is no "both sides" of an issue. Issues are not lines. They are multi-sided shapes. To think all you have to do is peek at "the other side" to know what's-what is foolish.
I agree there is not necessarily two sides to an issue but there is likely to be multiple points of views. I don't trust any one media source to always provide me with everything I need to know. I know how to make up my mind from my life experiences and how something is presented to me. I saw Penn's video and I agree with him because i've watched Glenn Beck on occasion and disagreed with everything he was saying but I wouldn't dismiss him completely because of it.
Glenn Beck is a horrible source to get anyone's perspective on anything, unless you want to get the retarded view on it. I would hope most conservative admonish him as just the crazy dumbfuck that he is.
I'm sure there are several issues that you and Beck can agree upon but he probably speaks against most of your ideology so it's easy to label him crazy.
In the past, he pissed me off because he would go on his show and cry. I also still think to this day that he staged that guy fainting on his show.
No, I've seen plenty of people who I disagree with who I wouldn't call crazy. Believe me, my assessment of Beck isn't really based on whether I disagree with him, he's just crazy and an idiot. I've seen him try to make a point I disagree with, and his reasoning so obviously stupid. I've seen people makes cases for the same things but not in a way that is totally flawed.
I get that. But it's important to pay attention to who is fighting for your rights, and for what reason. That's what Russians were thinking when they suddenly found themselves in the hands of Lenin.
One thing left out of the fray is that the Public owns the Air Waves & Wires. These corporate welfare hogs don't pay one thin dime for their use and yet they cry free market
They've managed to keep the public out of the debate - they even charge public officials to broadcast their message to the people
That's what whores do
We the People are given little in return for this important commodity something that has has a direct effect on our lives
people in the media have to give the viewers what they want, which means the right wing media will always try to satisfy the conservatives and the same for the "left".
I'm all for everyone's right to voice their opinion. But that's not all Glenn is doing. He's LYING. He's deceiving and misleading his viewers and spreading misinformation like a virus. Therefore, he's causing real problems. Even freedom of speech needs limits.
Ideas in general are not viruses, but bad ones are. Ever hear of religion?
And of course questioning all things is always a good thing, which has nothing to do with anything I've said. And we know what a good idea is by a little think called common sense and rationality. Try it out sometime.
you don't. But there are good questions and bad questions. Among the bad questions rank things like leading questions, silly waste-of-time questions and, importantly, questions which have already been answered appropriately but which are for some reason repeated over and over, thus implying that they haven't been answered (which perhaps should put them into the "leading questions") category.
as a person trained in biology - I generally think in ranges that life does well in- sometimes I think if politicians were doctors there would be a debate as whether it would be best if blood pressure was high as possible or low as possible.
A very good way of putting it. So analogously, Penn is saying, "He's wrong that low blood pressure is best, but at least there's someone out there opposing the notion that high blood pressure is best."
we have too many fundamentalist, and those who are nonbelievers but take advantaged- we need more well intentioned agnostics looking for what works to give the greatest number the greatest good.
That the free market solves everything. We need regulations and such.
ALL of the Libertarians I have met online think the free market will solve everything, disregarding the fact that deregulation got us into this mess in the first place.
I want a regulated market, ONLY for protection for the consumer. No excessive regulations.
I want Socialised health care and education, which benefits Capitalism. Smarter, healthier, more productive workers.
Not a regulation on how many banks there can or cannot be. I mean the regulations that were stripped in 1999 that caused this all was a regulation that kept insurance and banking separate. (Put in place after the lessons of the Great Depression, mind you.) Now we have entities like AIG, that if they were to fail, all the banks and other companies they insure would also go down.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It wasn't the removal of regulations or the lack of regulations that caused the economic crisis, but the existence of regulations that shut out competitors and allowed toxic businesses to continue doing business.
You have obviously bought into the "LOL FREE MARKETS SOLVE ALL! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CORRUPTION IN THE FREE MARKET!!11!" philosophy, so I really have no desire to discuss with you how no regulations are bad. It those regulations were not stripped, the Conservative "let it fail" philosophy would have been applied to AIG. But your own ways of thinking allowed a company to get so big that it had to undermine your whole set of economic values to sustain the economy.
Sigh. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. The free market isn't about "no regulations," it's about one entity not having a monopoly on regulations. You fail basic economics. Thanks for playing!
If that were the case, then why do you want one entity to have a monopoly on control over insuring banks and other institutions? (AIG)
Why did you not want the regulations that prevented that, if you are SOOOOO against monopolies?
Sometimes I feel more Conservative in economics than the Conservative I am debating, because they say they are against monopolies, yet their ideology is how they form. And I want to prevent that.
(Seems I am more for this no monopoly stuff they preach.)
I don't. You can't comprehend English, apparently.
Regulations that prevented it? What regulations? It wasn't prevented, so you're not making ANY sense.
I have no idea why you're talking about conservatives. I'm not a conservative. My economic opinions are not conservative. You are on the wrong fucking page, my friend. Read a book or something.
Monopolies form because government regulations allow them to monopolize the market. Look up "barriers to entry" or something. Please.
the nose ring is moronic
ah3rmit 4 months ago
if there is no opposition there would never be change
your nose ring looks stupid.
dtaylorig88 4 months ago
The message is -- Silence = Consent. Penn wanted the nation to understand his views... they contravene the rhetoric of glenn beck... yet he defends him because he is weak and feeble compared to the liberal academic giants. He pities glenn beck, and that much is obvious to astute observers like me. It's the, "I'm cool, but I play chess with the nerds" psychology. Penn is a real libertarian, glenn beck isn't... it's only cool until you get called a nerd too.
AbjectConformity 6 months ago
i'm wondring about if u can breath via ur nose !
srabx 7 months ago
JEFF!!!!
How dare you try and interject reason, common sense and logic into this....
Back of the line! And don't come back until you're rooting for a team.....
sixtiksix 7 months ago
SICK PIERCING MAN FUCK THIS HATER UNDERNEATH YOU HE PROBABLY TAKES MAD DICK UP HIS ASS TO HAVE TO HATE ON A RANDOM MAN
GLENN BECK IS THE SHIT FUCK ALL DEM LIBERALS GAYS LESBIANS AND ATHEISTS AMERICAAAAA FUCK YEAAAAA
IHATEBEANERSANDNIGS 9 months ago
u look like a douche
bmr21021975 10 months ago
get that shit outta your nose.
linerpop 10 months ago
What i got from this was
"ppl who dont agree with me shouldn't be allowed to say anything"
What I got from penn
"wrong or Right, everyone is entitled to free Speech"
EsotericSanity 11 months ago
@EsotericSanity As in, from this video? You might be correct, but not in the way that (imo) you intended; this person appears to say that Penn was looking at the problem superficially; as in, Glenn Beck isn't just an 'independent' voice among the masses, but he's also a person who views things in black and white, and presents his points to his audience in the same, exaggerated manner.
ExEverest10 11 months ago
@EsotericSanity In that sense, I think Beck says that 'people who don't agree with me shouldn't be allowed to say anything, because there are only 2 camps, a perfect dichotomy, you're either with me and right, or you're wrong'.
ExEverest10 11 months ago
@ExEverest10 Ah, well I really know lil of Glenn beck, but then again, i never said anything about him at all lol.
the 2 vids i saw was penn's saying pretty much, free speech is good, and this one where this guy is saying not if the dont agree with "me"
would you disagree with that?
EsotericSanity 11 months ago
@EsotericSanity Well, in a superficial way, yes, perhaps, but not in the sense that 'I think your ideology is incorrect', but I think in the sense of 'the way you present your argument is incorrect', and I think those two viewpoints are quite different, and don't deserve a general 'you should have free speech, as long as I agree with it' label.
ExEverest10 11 months ago
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Anybody ever tell you that you got a face made for radio?
RiotChamp 1 year ago
ok yes I see...this coming from a guy with a ring in his nose and plugs in his ears with a douchewad haircut. GREAT yeah guy, I take you real serious-like! duh.
wtf have you to offer anyone? Best to keep your mouth shut and make us wonder than open it and remove any doubt.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa
Well that comment sure makes you look like a turd.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol and he looks like what? Puke? Personally I think you like like a stupid but I kept that to myself till just now, didn't I? Like I said, better keep your big mouth shut than open it and remove any doubt you're a fool.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa
That... didn't make any sense.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol It made perfect sense to everyone else than you. That is called "you're a stupid fuck". Stupid fucks like you would be happy in a socialist world. You are the 18th if not the 108th percentile in this country. you are the loser minority that has cast a long shadow for far too long. You fucks will lose, and with it your ideals will soon die. Today is election day you fuck- live and watch as everything you hold dear is made pale. WE THE PEOPLE are taking it all back. You lose.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
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@LeonRFpoa
So, now, you are basically yelling at a figment of your imagination.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa Yet, for some reason I am not surprised that you have trolled more on this video... I see this is all you do is go around trying to offend, upset, annoy, and be an ass to people here. That is the definition of a troll, which is exactly what you are. It's exactly why you was on the Jeep videos. This does in fact prove that you have no life at all what so ever, you have no friends, and most likely you live with your parents still at 30 years old. I kinda feel bad for you now. Pathetic!
TheAmericanUhate 1 year ago
@TheAmericanUhate Whatever troll.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa I think we just found out 100% who the troll really is, you have showed everyone how much of a loser troll you really are. Just like you trolled this video, and all the Jeep videos, and a lot of others.... Yet again, I have proved I am right, you are nothing more then a loser ass troll.
TheAmericanUhate 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa Jesus you are an idiot.
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@skiddlecrumms Guess so! I just predicted everything accurately because I'm not blind and at this time everything I said stands. The 'agenda' is at a standstill.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa I meant about judging him based on phenotypics. This guy is one of the most intellegent people I have found on youtube, even if he has a septum ring and guages.
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@skiddlecrumms No I'm judging him because he's a fuckin moron. Phenotypics my ass, if this is a 'intelligent' person to you...son, you have a LOT to learn. hes FILLING PEOPLES HEADS WITH SHIT LIKE HIS LIBERAL SCUM COLLEGE PROFESSORS. It's not wisdom at all, it's more played out stale rhetoric. It and he are irrelevant.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa "ok yes I see...this coming from a guy with a ring in his nose and plugs in his ears with a douchewad haircut. GREAT yeah guy, I take you real serious-like! duh."
You are totally right, there is no phenotypical prejudice in that comment what so ever.
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@LeonRFpoa Not to mention the fact that this is not blatantly liberal. He never leans toward one side or the other throughout the video.
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@skiddlecrumms The conversation is over fan-troll.
LeonRFpoa 1 year ago
OK, you do realize you just said that Glenn Beck is polarizing, and that because of that we shouldn't be acknowledging him. I hope you are smart enough to realize that social, and political polarization is a state of mind. By disagreeing with GB so strongly you set yourself far apart from him, thereby becoming nothing more then another example of polarization simply on the other side. Penn had it correct the first time. This video wasn't necessary.
chezypuuf 1 year ago
@chezypuuf jesus man, are you serious? Don't pull this "you do realize" shit. Look - opposition is necessary in life, it's how we evolve and progress ... but what this homie is talking about is Beck and the rest causing this fissure in America. The separation of ideals to such a point that America is literally falling apart. There is no unity anymore, There is America-A and America-B and America-C
ender3711 1 year ago
@chezypuuf Glenn Beck is on the air simply because he is a gold mine for the network. They don't give a fuck about what he thinks - and why does Glenn Beck sell? Because he's so edgy and so sure that America's going down hill and we're all going to die ... blah blah blah. Negativity is doing nothing for us. So here's the gig - Glenn Beck is a Mormon. My whole family is Mormon except my little brother and myself. They believe that before the big J comes back to judge everyone that the U.S. will
ender3711 1 year ago
fall because we're all evil. Whatever right? Religious shit. But Glenn Beck is taking his fear in this prophecy by Brigham Young and broadcasting it. So yeah man - Glenn Beck is doing the same shit religious - one sighted crack heads have done through out history who have caused some of the most damage to human progression since recorded history. So he's being a fear monger. HOW ABOUT SOMETHING POSITIVE!? Jesus fucking christ. Why are you defending Beck anyway?
ender3711 1 year ago
@chezypuuf it's him and all the other fear mongers on CNN and FOX and all the spin doctors that freak people out and cause this fissure of negativity. They are severely damaging our country. Anyway ... we need to focus on the positive side of being human and positive progression, not this fear-mongering preaching fire and brimstone.
ender3711 1 year ago
@ender3711 You missed my point entirely. First my point is This video was an example of polarization. It was not needed since Penn had it right the first time. 2nd The left was all "The sky is falling" when GW was in office. It's how the game goes. I'm not defending Beck. I'm defending his rite to say whatever he wants, and it's your rite to ignore him. Best part is his critics "IF YOU LISTEN TO GLENN BECK OUR WHOLE CIVILIZATION WILL REGRESS!" Ya know cuz of his fear mongering.
chezypuuf 1 year ago
@chezypuuf ah, you're right. Sorry, sorry dude, I did kinda miss your point. Yeah, I don't think his fear mongering is going to cause any sort of regression - I just think we need to be more positive in our news media. Not fake positive, but like - We can, and will be a strong-willed progressive people across the world. Infact, I just gave a talk on this last week. Positive thought == positive action == positive movements. It all starts from thought. Thought -> action -> world.
ender3711 1 year ago
I agree; the brand of democracy that we have in this country doesn't do anyone any good. In fact, it's not democracy; how 'free' are we to elect our own officials when our only choices can be 'guy 1' or 'guy 2.' I get 32 choices (and any combination there-of) when I buy ice-cream but when it comes to the leaders of our country it's...2! Yes, we start with a larger pool, but that’s always widdle down to the ‘best’ 2 by Party insiders, the media and deep-pocket contributors! Who are they!
mdstalla 1 year ago
How can anyone take you seriously with that juvenile ring sticking out of your nose? Seriously, that thing screams, "look at me, I'm an ass-hat, I need attention because I'm soooooo hip, different, and rebellious that I got a nose piercing"! ...and to top it off, you make pretentious YouTube videos like you're some kind of deep thinking intellectual. Talk about coming off as being an adolescent attention seeking jerk-off. Grow up, dude.
wooolf21 1 year ago
Freedom of Speech? How's this for some Freedom of Speech?
'Save America' for what? So people can watch more porn? So I can have daughters in your piece of shit country so they can grow up and do porn? To breed 'future internet porn meat' for you scumbags? Fuck you
How's that for some motherfuckin' 'Freedom of Fuckin' Speech?' you motherfuckers.
lightningrod8 1 year ago
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TheFilexican 2 years ago
@TheFilexican - haha, there are still people out there shocked and/or annoyed by facial piercings. who knew!
buzzardbeatniks 1 year ago
I think that most people, when given several arguments will gravitate to the one that most reflects their own beliefs. Just because a network may only present two sides to an issue doesn't mean that the viewer has to make an either/or choice. People are influenced by friends, colleagues and various media. Beck is popular because his core beliefs are similar to that of most people. Unfortunately, many people are one-issue-oriented and get easily offended if "their one issue" is challenged.
RuskinY 2 years ago
@RuskinY I disagree with an aspect of what you said. Just as many people watch Fox News because they enjoy yelling at their TV as people who watch because they agree with any particular pundits ideologies. Some people watch Glenn Beck because they think he's mad and they find that entertaining. My father is a hard line democrat and he watches Fox News and listens to conservative radio more than anything else.
GenerationB0RED 1 year ago
@GenerationB0RED I'm not a democrat or republican. I like to consider myself an extreme leftist, but I prefer to listen to conservative talk shows and fox news for entertainment purposes and i guess to know your enemy's mindset.
niwdestan 1 year ago
Profound - we ought to stop putting everyone/everything into little boxes of categories. Always enjoy your videos, thanks for posting!
daButtafly 2 years ago
This seems to be a good argument and I may even agree with you. However, I should point out that Penn's argument had nothing to do with Glenn Beck or his ideals, so much as it was about people who write in to complain about shows they don't watch.
atomicpenguin12 2 years ago
Waaaaaaaaaah! It bothers me! Boo fuckin' hoo!
badgenome 2 years ago
Stop lumping everyone together. Everyone has a thought [process that leads them to their belief system. They hate Glenn BECAUSE of his show. The show itself is absolutely BRILIIANTLY produced and is soooooo effectve pointing the absolute ridiclousness of the current system. I double dog dare you to watch the show.
debstef 2 years ago
I'm not sure who you're talking to. I don't think I lumped anyone, and I definitely watch Glenn Beck almost daily.
azrienoch 2 years ago
I was replying to the video. I don't know what you said.
debstef 2 years ago
This is my video. You're talking to me.
azrienoch 2 years ago
Well then my original statement stands. As Glenn might say, "Question with boldness" I trust all these pols NOT. Americas strength lies (or used to) in NOT trustiing the government to do anything that can be done without it. Individuality. Self reliance. Strength.
I am self made and that makes me viciously anti-liberal. I consider it the weakening of any culture that embraces it. Note Europe and it's total lack of entrepeneurs. The cant invent anything because it's been bred out of them
debstef 2 years ago
I'm not at all sure that you watched my video. These criticisms (?...I don't even know what they are) of yours have exactly nothing to do with this video.
azrienoch 2 years ago
I've watched several times. Perhaps you don't understand your video. Humans ARE polarizing.
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Done here.
debstef 2 years ago
Ohhh, I see now. When you told me to stop lumping everyone together, you meant you.
azrienoch 2 years ago
Oh, dude, just shut up. YOUR video speaks of LUMPING. You said it. YOU. I dont think you've thought this out. Dissentes are in every slice of the political spectrum. Code Pink and MOVEON are dissenting RIGHT NOW. That's the point. Your video stinks because it makes no sense on its surface.Watch yourself and understand that what I see is not a cojent arguement based in logic but a statement of belief that is flawed. I would like to finish this up by asking "Does that thing bother you?"
debstef 2 years ago
I was asking Penn why he thought lumping was okay, in forcing people to one side or another as they are polarized. Did you watch Penn's video? I mention it, I'm speaking to him, and it's Re: his video.
But if you see no point in what I'm saying, how are you arguing? You need a point to argue against in order to argue. Apparently, in the absence of one, you made up your own, or something. I don't know why, absolutely everyone else that commented had no trouble understanding.
azrienoch 2 years ago
Then nevermind
debstef 2 years ago
i don't like the left/right dichotomy or at least how it is characterized in the mainstream. these two positions are not clrealy established or principled. they seem to be defined by the oposite of a proposition.
fede2 2 years ago
Nice. Unsubscribed from Penn and subscribed to you. Or is that polarizing my choices too?
TheSensuousAtheist 2 years ago
Oh, don't unsub from Penn. Not on account of me, anyway. I think he's a worthwhile subscription.
azrienoch 2 years ago
I really wish I could have put those all in one single post. Thanks you for your time.
GHSGuy 2 years ago
We need controversy, and we need polarizing subjects. What we don't need it a herd culture that never allows dissent or one that blindly follows a charismatic leader to one side or the other.
GHSGuy 2 years ago
Here's my idea pretaining to what I believe your conclusion is: it doesn't matter if somone or something is polarizing. Its the responsibility of the individuals in the masses to choose what they'll believe and out about.. Chastizing dissent for causing polarization is ludacris because it opens the up the possibility of never being allowed to disagree and as Jefferson put it "The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom."
GHSGuy 2 years ago
Basically my interpretation of your message is "Its a shame that we praise people who polarize populations by loudly dissenting over controversial subjects, speech, actions etc."
If I'm wrong then please do me the kindness of correction.
GHSGuy 2 years ago
I just want you to know that the thing you said about Republicans and Democrats and not voting for either is a very big message that Glenn Beck also talks about a lot. Lately he has been talking more and more against Republicans.
DavidValley 2 years ago
wth Canadian's cant watch the video he's responded to
xxMustardTigerxx 2 years ago
u r largely right but its the media its self that makes it one side or the other. and honestly fox is playing to crazy fucking people so im with msnbc alot but even with that said they do talk shit about obama when he fucks up. and im not in the right or the left i just want americans to treat people with respect and care. and really obama is a pussy, i like him but he doesnt stand up for anything. and there has never been an independent president its a two party race. i dont like it, but it is
milkeddowncocobrown 2 years ago
I gave you 5 stars for this video. I agree with everything you said, and you are obviously intelligent and highly articulate, but if you don't get rid of that thing from your nose then nobody is going to take your opinions seriously. This is constructive feedback and I don't mean to offend you personally. Thanks for posting.
RedDharma 2 years ago 2
I'm okay with that.
azrienoch 2 years ago
its okay; i have a septum, too, and take your opinions seriously.
MulrainAmandaD 2 years ago
Is it constructive to be an opposition to the president when your criticism is bat shit crazy?
OsirisLord 2 years ago
yo is Glenn Beck the dude from News talk 92.3 KTAR???
casedude1998 2 years ago
wow ure so smarte
z0rgz0rg 2 years ago
You are making a good point, however you totally missed his point.
I noticed he lost a star on the ratings for that video and most people are like you, they just totally miss what he is saying and go off an a tangent. I understand what you are saying and it's very important, yet it really doesn't apply to his point.
Acinica 2 years ago
My point is a criticism of how he delivered his point. It's perhaps not exactly on topic, but it doesn't miss his point.
azrienoch 2 years ago
And AIG did NOT need to be saved. AIG was a toxic business plagued with scandals and bad business practices for YEARS, and thanks to government regulations, they were able to continue buying everything up that they could get their hands on. If the government hadn't propped AIG up, it would have died long before it ever got "too big to fail" (a phrase so utterly absurd that it hurts).
Go do a google search for "history of government bailouts."
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
Also... Bush saved AIG, and gave them 700 billion in unregulated "free market" funds. His last "fuck you" to America. That's $2,400 to ever man woman and child.
LOL don't get me started on Bush... his fucking "holy war". That man is a shit stain in our history books.
Makotoichio 2 years ago
What the fuck does Bush have to do with anything? Obama did the same thing. Big fucking deal. All that means is that you're stupid if you think politicians are actually going to help you. Or some kind of mythical elected savior is going to be able to unfuck our government. It's not going to happen.
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
Pretty much every president ever is a shit stain on our history books. Not that anyone would ever notice, since the history books themselves, in the public schools anyway, are statist propaganda piles of shit.
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
thank you for posting this.
after watching your video, i watched Penn's video and agree with you. However, it was intriguing that the person he chose to compare Beck to was Abby Hoffman. It reminded me very much, and was reinforced by your own video, of the quote by Evelyn Hall in a letter to Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
MulrainAmandaD 2 years ago
Jeff, I think you should look into anarchism (incidentally, I would say the same thing about Penn).
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
Left, right, republican, democrat... it's all bullshit. Don't buy into the two party system at all. Behind closed doors they are pushing for the same agendas. Only in the public media they portray one against the other. All a front to manipulate public opinion. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Especially, Glenn Beck. He's a damn shill, working for Faux news of all networks. All mainstream media is bullshit.
moxie3672 2 years ago
That's silly.
You're silly.
TehLevil 2 years ago
Simplicity... give the average Joe more than two choices and it gets all convoluted. Democrat vs. Republican. Pepsi vs. Coke.
ChristopherMast 2 years ago
dems and reps have a more commen ground then u know my friend. Thank you....
wvbkball 2 years ago
Beck's one of those right wing characters that its easy to make a buck off of.
I spent some time in the slammer during the early 80's for dealing pot. All the hard timers (who were political at all) were republicans. They had an animal instinct for those who avoided complexity and used goofball cliches to tweak shit for themselves.
Trollschool 2 years ago
Glenn Beck only "challenges authority" in a very superficial and narrow sense. He's far too busy engaging in a narrow anti-obama, anti-democrat sentiment to see any broader picture.
brainpolice2 2 years ago 2
Who cares? You don't have to listen to him.
mrplow8 2 years ago
That isn't what's in question.
brainpolice2 2 years ago
@brainpolice2
Then what is in question? Explain to me what it is that I'm missing.
mrplow8 2 years ago
JimmerSD really hit the nail on the head. News corporations still operate through capitalism; you will be told half-truths and taught to polarize if it is economically beneficial for the corporations.
XxJeffSimmonsxX 2 years ago
I often find myself defending Fox News, because the feeling I get from the people who criticize it seems to be that they think it shouldn't exist or that it should be changed to whatever they think "fair and balanced" means. My position is that yes it's conservative, and yes it's biased, and it should be allowed to exist and be both of those things. If people don't like it, they can vote by not watching it. Let the free market decide. I think that might be how Penn feels about Glenn Beck.
mrplow8 2 years ago
I agree. Well said.
ReverendAtomSmasher 2 years ago
The whole concept is a creation of the Corporate Media Machine. IMHO "We" are an amalgam of these views. Those who stand rigidly on one side or the other are fools and are manipulated. The problem is that the CMM has decided that divisiveness sells. Conflict sells. Us vs them sells. There is money to be made in the argument whether the sky is blue vs. azure. So don't blame Glen Beck or Ed Schultz for being contrarian pricks, they are cut from the same cloth and that is what they are paid to do.
JimmerSD 2 years ago
Even if you dont agree with what hes saying, which i do, he says it with such confidence and intelligence you cant help but side with him.
TakunC 2 years ago
The news media is symbolic and silly. It targets our heart strings, loves to cement uncertainties, play to our prejudices, and support the status quo.
divinejudge1 2 years ago
5 stars
TheMorbidAtheist 2 years ago
This is something that gets pretty old. They do it on purpose. Either you think Obama deserves 100% compliance on every issue or you're Glenn Beck. They present two sides with equally stupid positions and everyone spends so much time arguing over how stupid the other side is that they don't realize any of the problems with their own view. It's a long-standing tactic - they don't even bother to come up with new arguments when they flip around which "side" is in power.
Cerebrocaust 2 years ago
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GuruMN 2 years ago
I'd just like to speak out in tribute to all the hard working rodeo clowns that practice a respected and honored tradition of protecting Americans from bull(s).
premed2 2 years ago
Who cares if some idiot thinks you are part of something you are not?
katchison 2 years ago
newt gingrich is being advertised in this video. thats awesome. Newt made his wife sign divorce papers while she lied in a hospital bed fighting cancer.that guy is total badass. I love that someone THAT FUCKING COLD was in control over the entire FUCKING COUNTRY for 8 god damn years. and now here he is being advertised on your video. representative government. such a blessing. so much better then democracy. so much better to have dictators then for us to just be able to vote on laws ourselves.
oldhacks 2 years ago
I take monies.
azrienoch 2 years ago 2
me toos now. how about that. we deserve to have an edge.
oldhacks 2 years ago
hat is this crap?
oldhacks 2 years ago
Thanks for this video Az. You have made very valid points in that the media is polarizing the nation. I think the inception of this trend was somewhere during the Clinton administration, or maybe during the first administration of Bush. Any how, take everything with a grain of salt.
InfectedDaemon 2 years ago
Not only does the media polarize, it also tends toward the right. Not, perhaps, because they are necessarily conservative, but because the establishment is. And the media wants to please the establishment, so very, very much.
Brandt761 2 years ago
Of course, because they derive profit from them (the establishment). But, channels free from that chain of constant need of money (public funded institutions) don't need to be so biased, and often are not. Sure, sometimes they reflect the interests of the financier (the state), but where freedom of the press exists, and so does freedom from private finance, we see a less strong bias. But still a far cry from socialism.
InfectedDaemon 2 years ago
yes
Brandt761 2 years ago
Why defend someone who for an important part of their public image, is reliant on moderatorship? All news is syndicated, which means it must be mediated.
The "political issues" dealio right now is not about people, it's much more simple. It's about the ideas these people have and our inate inability to seperate the ideas from ourselves, or from others.
I may hate a few political ideals and their idealists right now, I may want to punch a few in the face at times. But I don't; I distinguish.
mynui 2 years ago
Absolutely correct. What's wrong with having a reasoned discussion about the issues instead of the black/white thinking and appeal to emotion??
ChuckyJesus666 2 years ago
False dichotomy. Good point, Az.
PianoIsTheRemedy 2 years ago
You have made the assumption that it is left right positioning. Beck tries hard, against his own nature, to not be of the right. At least the attempt is admirable if largely ignored. Even mild attempts at breaking the left right dichotomy should be celebrated ... even the feeble and confused attempts.
stratvic 2 years ago
Actually, it sometimes seems as if Beck doesn't care too much about ideology. It would look that way from the perspective of his past career, as well.
Brandt761 2 years ago
Az, are you in cahoots with Ann Coulter?
Her ad is on the side....
Don't lie to us. We know where you belong now on this polarized scale and place-setting. Take a step to the right, you conservative scum.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
It's all about using common sense brother
jasmit96 2 years ago
glenn beck isn't putting his own ideas out there.
i really like penn but that's just a naive thing to assert. or disingenuous, coming from someone who works in entertainment and should know better.
go read rupert murdochs own words, where he says nothing goes out on fox, newscorp or any of it's newspaper and television affiliates, without him approving it first.
that shit is all scripted.
when you want to know what the corporate machine is up to, you can't depend on them to tell you. obv
onlywhenprovoked 2 years ago
Beck's shtick about the dangers of government would be more credible if he didn't deliberately ignore all the extraordinary totalitarian powers that Obama has inherited from Bush and that are only waiting to be abused by him or one of his successors.
mbruck77 2 years ago
I use to watch the Penn says video blogs and wait in excitement for the next one to come but now there's the stupid copyright country restriction that shouldn't even be a part of Youtube it just make me say what the fuck
cosmicterror 2 years ago
I really don't understand how glenn Beck can be on tv. He couldn't find any job in Europe.
itsbizbuz 2 years ago
The problem is that most of the people on Fox News and right wing radioare just right wing trolls. O'Reilly, Beck, and Limbaugh don't believe in what they say. None of them is really well-educated or of above-average intelligence. They are just cynics.Each of them says to himself: "If I keep saying the right-wing sh*t, I get millions of dollars. F*ck the truth."So, I agree, we shouldn't respect completely insincere criticism. However, we should enthusiastically welcome sincere government dissent
SomeBSUTubeName 2 years ago
A lot of conservatives are already starting to distance themselves from Beck. So rather than polarizing the center, he's actually polarizing the right. And the further right he goes the more people on the right get nudged to the left. So I'm hoping he stays on the air and gets even crazier. Maybe someone will slip him some acid. That would be an interesting show.
atypicalguy 2 years ago
Well, think about this: the reason they are polarizing is because of pressure from the left. If enough people call someone stupid, you'll distance yourself from that person so you won't be associated with them. That's where a polarization of the right comes in. But that starts with an already polarized left, and that's where people like Beck have already done their work. My point is that we shouldn't glorify anyone that polarizes, even with recognition as a dissenter.
azrienoch 2 years ago
And, just to finish the thought, the big reason polarization is bad is because, in a setting where things are framed in extremes, you can only use extreme language to get anything done.
azrienoch 2 years ago
Well, as I'm sure you know, there are multiple dimensions to political thought rather than just one left/right spectrum. And we don't hear much from the mainstream beyond this single dimension. Maybe, if this polarizing pressure were to build to a large enough extent, it would break through into the larger framework. The scope of debate widens and the pressure is 'released'. And of course we can always try to poke holes where we can to accelerate this process.
atypicalguy 2 years ago
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atypicalguy 2 years ago
And if he calls out some loon on the left, he makes thinking people's work a little easier by strawmanning his opposition and himself at the same time. So there's a self-correcting mechanism at work.
atypicalguy 2 years ago
I agree, but what I don't like about that plan is that we're nowhere near a collapse of media extremism. E.g. the news anchors have only begun to be the news. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, and that scares the shit out of me. So I guess I'd rather keep trying to get someone's voice loud enough that they can pull us back. And that starts with discrediting polarization itself.
azrienoch 2 years ago
There are instances where a polarizing force might be useful such as overturning despotic laws that people wouldn't ordinarily think about. Scenarios where you have to energize the population before a debate can be had. What leaps to my mind is when Obama was asked about pot legalization and he simply chuckled. Sometimes you have to scream at these fuckers till you're blue in the face. I'd rather live in a polarized free society than a civil despotism. But we may have to agree to disagree.
atypicalguy 2 years ago
As for media extremism, that's just the market at work; money following ratings.
atypicalguy 2 years ago
Are you saying that arguing for the centre or from neither left or right is bad because it polarizes the left and the right?
That seems a little insane.
stratvic 2 years ago
Uh, no. That's not what I'm saying.
azrienoch 2 years ago
great response.
tomfrankly 2 years ago
Miss information is sedition at best but mostly it seems like mindless vandalism.
I don't know much about Beck but I'd bet London to a brick if you studied his career in journalism it would be popularity that guided his politics more than any study in it.
grenangle 2 years ago
Excelent video, doubtfull that dissent can only come from the right, theres plenty of dissent from the left, good video.
CivysCare4Soldiers2 2 years ago
The only thing Glen Beck dissents against is the boogieman.
gratex 2 years ago
totally agree!
Samanmotlagh 2 years ago
New game: count how many cuts in the video!
I guess 40.
Ormaaj 2 years ago
penn videos cannot be viewed outside the US.
gratex 2 years ago
I like dissent because I need to hear both sides to an issue to make up my mind for myself. I disagree with a lot of what Glenn Beck has to say but I need to hear that point of view just in case someone on the other side didn't provide the whole story.
Just like your videos criticize religion. I would have never known about the negatives of religion if it weren't for your videos and i'm sure you get a lot of hate for pointing this stuff out.
Mostdef 2 years ago
But there is no "both sides" of an issue. Issues are not lines. They are multi-sided shapes. To think all you have to do is peek at "the other side" to know what's-what is foolish.
azrienoch 2 years ago 2
I agree there is not necessarily two sides to an issue but there is likely to be multiple points of views. I don't trust any one media source to always provide me with everything I need to know. I know how to make up my mind from my life experiences and how something is presented to me. I saw Penn's video and I agree with him because i've watched Glenn Beck on occasion and disagreed with everything he was saying but I wouldn't dismiss him completely because of it.
Mostdef 2 years ago
Glenn Beck is a horrible source to get anyone's perspective on anything, unless you want to get the retarded view on it. I would hope most conservative admonish him as just the crazy dumbfuck that he is.
LanceDirk 2 years ago
I'm sure there are several issues that you and Beck can agree upon but he probably speaks against most of your ideology so it's easy to label him crazy.
In the past, he pissed me off because he would go on his show and cry. I also still think to this day that he staged that guy fainting on his show.
Mostdef 2 years ago
No, I've seen plenty of people who I disagree with who I wouldn't call crazy. Believe me, my assessment of Beck isn't really based on whether I disagree with him, he's just crazy and an idiot. I've seen him try to make a point I disagree with, and his reasoning so obviously stupid. I've seen people makes cases for the same things but not in a way that is totally flawed.
LanceDirk 2 years ago
"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions." Thanks YouTube.
BourgeoisMachinery 2 years ago
My video or Penn's?
azrienoch 2 years ago
Penn's video. I'm sorry, I should have been more specific.
BourgeoisMachinery 2 years ago
use air-proxy . com
It is based in the US, so you should be able to see it.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
AZ... I think What Penn was saying is the old Point of view that I.. And a few others still share.
I may not agree with you.. But I will fight like hell for your right to say it.
Glen Beck Crazy man.
I said so on my channel. But really I think what Penn is saying "I'm glad there is still free speech"
I'm about Penn's age.. I had a copy of Steal this book when I was a kid. Someone Stole it.
I know from where he speaks. I would still defend you.. Remember the watchmen debate?
KGBRAND 2 years ago
I get that. But it's important to pay attention to who is fighting for your rights, and for what reason. That's what Russians were thinking when they suddenly found themselves in the hands of Lenin.
azrienoch 2 years ago
One thing left out of the fray is that the Public owns the Air Waves & Wires. These corporate welfare hogs don't pay one thin dime for their use and yet they cry free market
They've managed to keep the public out of the debate - they even charge public officials to broadcast their message to the people
That's what whores do
We the People are given little in return for this important commodity something that has has a direct effect on our lives
marniespeaks 2 years ago
people in the media have to give the viewers what they want, which means the right wing media will always try to satisfy the conservatives and the same for the "left".
AimiriZ 2 years ago
I'm all for everyone's right to voice their opinion. But that's not all Glenn is doing. He's LYING. He's deceiving and misleading his viewers and spreading misinformation like a virus. Therefore, he's causing real problems. Even freedom of speech needs limits.
Atrocitas6 2 years ago
Ideas are not viruses.
A good idea 'should' stand on merits.
Questions and alternatives do not weaken good ideas ... they make them stronger.
The merit of an idea is it's ability to withstand questioning and alternatives.
Without questioning and the free free speech that affords it, how do you even know what a good idea is?
stratvic 2 years ago
Ideas in general are not viruses, but bad ones are. Ever hear of religion?
And of course questioning all things is always a good thing, which has nothing to do with anything I've said. And we know what a good idea is by a little think called common sense and rationality. Try it out sometime.
Atrocitas6 2 years ago
you don't. But there are good questions and bad questions. Among the bad questions rank things like leading questions, silly waste-of-time questions and, importantly, questions which have already been answered appropriately but which are for some reason repeated over and over, thus implying that they haven't been answered (which perhaps should put them into the "leading questions") category.
Brandt761 2 years ago
as a person trained in biology - I generally think in ranges that life does well in- sometimes I think if politicians were doctors there would be a debate as whether it would be best if blood pressure was high as possible or low as possible.
billybobhobnob101 2 years ago
A very good way of putting it. So analogously, Penn is saying, "He's wrong that low blood pressure is best, but at least there's someone out there opposing the notion that high blood pressure is best."
azrienoch 2 years ago
we have too many fundamentalist, and those who are nonbelievers but take advantaged- we need more well intentioned agnostics looking for what works to give the greatest number the greatest good.
billybobhobnob101 2 years ago
I hear what you are say, but all is see is this add for Ann Coulter. *sigh*
musicisthegateway 2 years ago
I take her money.
azrienoch 2 years ago
Penn just has loo-loo Libertarian views. I only like Penn for his views on Religion and social issues.
I disagree with him economically.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
What points do you disagree on? Care to share?
PerfectionObsessive 2 years ago
That the free market solves everything. We need regulations and such.
ALL of the Libertarians I have met online think the free market will solve everything, disregarding the fact that deregulation got us into this mess in the first place.
I want a regulated market, ONLY for protection for the consumer. No excessive regulations.
I want Socialised health care and education, which benefits Capitalism. Smarter, healthier, more productive workers.
It's simple, really.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
Here's the first problem, the competitive markets for creating banks is non-existent here in the US. Our outlet for securing our money is limited.
The banks got too big because they were the few outlets for depositing one's wealth and it is comparable to having all your eggs in one basket.
If we had more banks in place, rather than having government propping the few we have, we would have less of problem, wouldn't we?
We should have less regulation in propping up new banks, rather than more.
PerfectionObsessive 2 years ago
Not a regulation on how many banks there can or cannot be. I mean the regulations that were stripped in 1999 that caused this all was a regulation that kept insurance and banking separate. (Put in place after the lessons of the Great Depression, mind you.) Now we have entities like AIG, that if they were to fail, all the banks and other companies they insure would also go down.
(That is why we had to save AIG.)
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
You have no idea what you are talking about. It wasn't the removal of regulations or the lack of regulations that caused the economic crisis, but the existence of regulations that shut out competitors and allowed toxic businesses to continue doing business.
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
You have obviously bought into the "LOL FREE MARKETS SOLVE ALL! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CORRUPTION IN THE FREE MARKET!!11!" philosophy, so I really have no desire to discuss with you how no regulations are bad. It those regulations were not stripped, the Conservative "let it fail" philosophy would have been applied to AIG. But your own ways of thinking allowed a company to get so big that it had to undermine your whole set of economic values to sustain the economy.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
Sigh. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. The free market isn't about "no regulations," it's about one entity not having a monopoly on regulations. You fail basic economics. Thanks for playing!
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
You fail.
If that were the case, then why do you want one entity to have a monopoly on control over insuring banks and other institutions? (AIG)
Why did you not want the regulations that prevented that, if you are SOOOOO against monopolies?
Sometimes I feel more Conservative in economics than the Conservative I am debating, because they say they are against monopolies, yet their ideology is how they form. And I want to prevent that.
(Seems I am more for this no monopoly stuff they preach.)
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
I don't. You can't comprehend English, apparently.
Regulations that prevented it? What regulations? It wasn't prevented, so you're not making ANY sense.
I have no idea why you're talking about conservatives. I'm not a conservative. My economic opinions are not conservative. You are on the wrong fucking page, my friend. Read a book or something.
Monopolies form because government regulations allow them to monopolize the market. Look up "barriers to entry" or something. Please.
787Bisurdaddy 2 years ago
No, the regulations WERE there. Then, in 1999, under a Republican controlled Congress, they were stripped. Thus forming AIG.
Do you know why they were there in the first place before they were removed?