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  • And to think this man regards himself as Muslim leader, yes, I am talking about the Wahhabi Bilal Philips. You will never find a Sufi shaikh ever drink alcohol as per his example, this Bilal leads innocent Muslims astray with his examples. May Allah guide him to the true path.

  • riadee bloke - im sure Allah guides whom he wills to the path and not according to ur statement tht every1 bin guided to islam by Sheiks in a chain to holy prophet pbuh.u sufi ppl r realy stupid and hav no sense.u wudnt knw dua/ibaada/sunnah if it smacked u in the face.

  • You dont need to call yourself "Sufi" to be spiritual in Islam. Sufi is a term used as another way to divide the Ummah. Some people love their "Sect" more than they love the truth

  • sufi is not a sect if it was we wud have more than 73 sects in islam but sufi is not a sect, if u read the Quran it is said how a teacher once he has disciples he can distribute his name for the group, eg name of a mosque representing sunnah is the same as having a name of a group representing sunnah.

  • today's time sufi is seen as a sect , saint kwaja gareeb nawaz was the 1st muslim ever to go into india and made thousands of hindus turn in to muslims through mercy and love...his mazar sharif is seen by hindus sikhs and muslims, sufi people try to bring love and unity no matter what the pain is

  • and yeah u do get fake peers, but u have to know who's who, because real sufi or imam or master teachers they never ask u for anything apart from have love in the heart for Allah, his books, his angels, all the prophets and the final rasool prophet muhammad s.a.w.

  • HAVE THIS MAN SEEN ANY MOLESTATION QORAN MAJEED SAY BRING WITNESSES IF NOT THEN BEAT THEM WITH DURRAS ,,, THIS MAN IS A LIAR NO WITNESS ,,,EVERY BODY BECAME MUSLIM BY SOME SHEIKH AND THEN RTHAT SHEIKH BY SOME OTHER SO THIS REACHES TO SAHABA AND RASOOLALLAH,

  • I declare death to Snake Nazim, this guy needs to be executed.

  • wahahbi terrorist.........

  • where can i find the full lecture??

  • @riyazmob google lightuponlight . com

  • @Crossfire2009 thanks!!!

  • @riyazmob anytime. :)

  • no such thing as Wahabi, educate yourselves and read the Quran

  • NO DOUBT THESE MISGUIDED SUFIS ARE SPREADING SHIRK OR POLYTHEISM & BID'ATS OR INNOVATIONS IN SIMPLE MUSLIMS.THEY ARE PREACHING GRAVE-WORSHIP OF PIOUS PEOPLE,WHICH IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE BASIC TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.IN PAKISTAN,THESE SUFIS ARE ANCESTRAL & THEY COME GENERATION AFTER GENERATIONS TO MISGUIDE MUSLIMS.THEY ARE CONSTRUCTING BIG BUILDINGS OR MAZARS & DECORATING GRAVES OF PEERS / SAINTS TO ATTRACT GRAVE-WORSHIPERS TO GET MONEY FROM THEM.THEY NEVER CARE FOR SHARIAH & CLEAR TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.

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  • wacth 'house of saud' on youtube and than read 'Umara al-Baladil-Haram' authored by shakyhs of makkah, wahabism rocks!

  • is it just me or does Bilal Phillips sound very jealous and envious of Shaykh Maulana Nazim Al-Hakkani?

  • @arehman589 no..it's just you :)

  • may almighty Allah guide you in the correct way,

    my first and last questino to you is wat ryt and wat spiritual level are you into question sheik Nazim's powers and beliefs.

    answer my question to the point and then we have a our points to rectify.

  • @mhahmad786 No, you must be looking at d mirrow. snakeman666

  • I love Shaykh Nazim.

  • This is what happened when a True Scholar from Ahl al-Sunnah, a descendant of our beloved Prophet صلى الله عليه واله وسلم came on Islam Channel

    after youtube.com type /watch?v=iWlD7Km5IQA

  • All this made up rubbish by mr philips, i am not arguing or saying anything BUT this if mr philips is so true and confident that the shaykh(may ALLAH TA ALLAH give him a long life) is a deviant why doesnt he approach the shaykh, instead of saying these stories, if he cant afford the ticket then i will pay for him and if he cant find the address of the shaykh INSHALLAH i will find that for him too.

    Why doesnt mr philips go direct to the shaykh unless Mr philips has something to hide

  • a heritic speaking ahlu bid a salafi! What ? this man is pure rubbish

  • idiote

  • salam. brother how can u dare and allow ur self to talk about yahiya harune in this mannar? don t u feel ashame? if some body is acting acording to an agenda this guy is you.... i won t say nasty things but i do advice you shut ur big mouth. u don t have the knowledge to make any critics. Abderrahmane from Algeria

  • is the quran the only source of evidence u r looking to. ask sufis and find answers bilal philps has been refuted for his rubbish talk and hes got no spirituality.

  • Very good sir. You are very educated.

  • bilal philips is an idiot

  • @empeemp that proves you are sufi too. i need your help please!

    if you know any sufi imam ,please ask them what philips said if it is true or false in detail. when sufi imam speaks, can you video record them please make sure it is a complete video please no cuts. thank you. i want to prove philips experience wrong that sufi actually following islam and muhammad in exact way the early muslim did (in muhammad's time)

  • why are muslims being so dumb for sufism is not a sect may i repeat sufism is NOT a sect when will u accept that. if u dont know anything about sufism then the best thing is to just shut up and be quiet.

  • @machine9191 where is the word Sufi in Quran?

  • mr philip is belong 2 d sect call wahabi wich is founded by m a wahab that kill thousands of muslim reject wisdom in d ayat of d alim n use short sited conclusion 2 interpret not knowing d knowledge of d heart (course obviosly not learning) thought by thousands of muslim scholars. Thinkin that he is learned spreading fitnah 2 millions of muslim true practisioner. o people of wisdom lets make doa 4 mr philip so that he may repent n truly get d true knowledge ameen.

  • @adamismailwanjor Why the name Wahhabies. shouldn't be Mohammadies. his name is Mohammed. second, did the sheikh say anything wrong in this video. the right way to paradise is by following the prophet of Allah. don't forget our purpose. we are not here to win an argument, we need guidence to lead us to Jannah. I tell you again, use your brain and remember the fundimental thing about Iman: Allah forgives all sins except making partners with him. now ask yourself are you doing that by being suffi

  • @ynajim applause...cliché . i know where u get yor words from. Im sure u r not arab thats why u r at d blind site. Wahabis r wahabis (only know 1000 hadith or less) "Cliché'

  • @adamismailwanjor I am an Arab actualy. I used kind and logical words to talk to you as a brother in Islam. whereas you just replied with unfounded comments.

    My intention was not to argue with you, it was an advise to you as Allah commands us to do.

    Please accept my appologies, I won't reply to you again.

  • @ynajim wahabi liar

  • you people are very greedy that u want Jannat but dont want your lord. Rabia from Basra said i will burn the heaven and I will finish the hell , then u should go and do ibaadat of lord. Wahabism and salafism is the reason why Islam is portrayed as terrorism in western media, its just becoz of sick minded people like u.

  • @ynajim: Because it is easier for them to accept that those who disagree with them come in one color. They constructed "wahhabis" for whoever disagrees with them. Anyone who disagrees with those people becomes a "wahhabi." It's nice of you to ask those wild fanatics to use their brains, but I doubt the even have the remnants of one.

  • dont b blind wv mr philip he is lack of knowledge. claiming alim n following d wahabi scholars makin allegation n turning words "dont b blind"

  • @Crossfire2009 Where is the name Salafi in the Koran billy phillips claims to be Salafi! the pious scholars referred to the Pious predessossors as the Salf as Saliheen refering to the first three generations that makes billy phillips at least 1200 years old that a really tall claim!

  • dont take every thing from Quran. In Quran , it has not been told that how many times u have to pray in a day. It is given in Hadees.

  • @Crossfire2009 where is the word sunni in Quarn?

  • @Crossfire2009 WHERE IS THE WORD ALLAMA , MUFTI, QAZI,,SHARIAT,,WHABBIS IN QORAN,,,,MANY THINGS R NOT MENTIONED IN QORAN,,,,,THERE IS NO AZAN MENTIONED IN QORAN NO TAREEQH OF SALAT IN QORAN

  • Respond to this video...THIS MAN PHILIPS NO NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM HE IS JUST HAVING BEARD AND AN ACTOR JUST HE SHOULD WORK IN HOLLYWOOD MOVIES NOTHIN MORE THAN THAT,,,,,, LA'ANAT ON HIM AND HIS BELIEVERS

  • @machine9191 sufism is not a sect then what is it?

    i am completely shit up, now please tell me, what is sufism?

    please i need your answer. thank you

  • @interest2006 There is no such SECT called sufism just you people making it into a sect, sufis are part of SUNNIS

  • @interest2006 go to LivingIslam(.)org

    brilliant

  • bilal phillips seems a lil confused...i think he shud go to cyprus to visit Shaykh Nazim maybe he will become a Naqshband to Insha'Allah

  • yes. islam is Clearcut so everyone can get it. nobody today has any "special knowledge" of God. only the prophets (peace be upon them all) were close to God in that way. but for us, everyone is on the same plane...and no one has any type of special status. ppl who do such things as following your sheikh blindly...this is wrong as philips said b/c it is againt the principle that every human is equal before God. if your sheik drinks, he is just as accountable to Allah as you are if u drink. capice

  • If you wanna know exactly what Mr. Philips is talking about copy and paste this : Maulana Imran Hosein 2010: Part I 6/6 Signs of the Last Day & Reality of the Modern World. Watch part 1 - 6 . What he is explaining is the SAME THING ABOUT MUSA !!! Of what Bilal Philips is talking about now.

  • Maulana Imran N Hosein comes from a spiritual background his link goes back to Jalaluddin Rumi and He is very up front

  • O YOU PEOPLE ! YOU ARE BLINDED FROM THE TRUTH ! GOD HAS PLACED A VEIL ON YOUR HEARTS ! BILAL SPEAKS THE TRUTH YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE ! YOU ARENT ABLE TO SEE ! BLINDED ! DAJJAL IS AT WORK HERE ! YOU CAN ONLY SEE WITH ONE EYE ! YOUR OTHER EYE IS BLIND ! WHAT YOU SEE IS ALWAYS IN MATERIAL ! YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE THE BEAUTY OF SPIRITUALITY ! YOUR SPIRITUAL EYE IS CLOSED ! YOUR LEVEL OF INTUITION IS NOT THERE ! WHEN YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DO NOT BOTHER TO UNDERSTAND YOU CALL HIM THE DEVIL! SUCH IGNORANCE

  • a lot of sufi's made me hate zakir naik by makin fitna abt him by cutin and pastin his video's; actually he is a really good scholer...

  • Most ppl comment on dis vid r sufi's, makin fitna abt of zakir naik nd cant take wat dis guy said; there in ahlul sunnah in there dreams

  • Spoken the truth like it should be.

    Funny how every sect when shown the truth of Sunnah and the Quran get defensive and insult others by calling them Wahabi.

  • Mashallah, this sheikh is very good. Thanks for the warning so I will be on the lookout for those Suffis. So much crazy stuff going around.

  • @loiofnature this man is a liar

  • @sajjaddar Do you follow sufi'sm or only ahlul sunnah?

  • @islam2truth its the same thing, there is no such thing as sufism, sufis are Sunnis

  • @sajjaddar If you follow only ahlul sunnah, you don't ment to follow anything beside quran and the sunnah...

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  • lol..funny..!!

  • A dirty, filthy, nasty man dog Mr Phillips is!

  • My brothers,from the u.k. it's £170 (average) to get a return ticket to cyprus!,,,if anyone has got sooo many question to ask about the 'SUFI' follwing then they should go directly to the headquarters and ask, and trust me, no1 there will be arrogant or sarcastic,dey will greet you with love..also tune into sufilive.com my brothers to get up-dates from mowlana...sallam

  • @GnosticReality ur a twat u lazy prat-dnt u guys see these vids wiv insight? no ur too shrtsightedley judgmental-never judge scholars unles u wnt to be toched by hell firre

  • bilal phillips is a twat...

  • @HanafiTheMC100 ur a twat u lazy prat-dnt u guys see these vids wiv insight? no ur too shrtsightedley judgmental-never judge scholars unles u wnt to be toched by hell firre

  • great video, the Quran in many places and the prophet pbuh warned against following men blindly. following any caller blindly is like taking a highway to hell. so be aware of whom you listen to

  • some say mr Phillips saw a nightmare beofre he gave this speech. Some say he took steroids so he could look a bit more stocky. All we know is he is 2ft 2", descends from the monkeys, and smokes weed with his dad.

  • This guy is a liar! He is obsessed with his own belieifs, and cannot provide any evidence of what he speaks! It is forbidden for any person to talk wrongly about anything without any source of evidence!

    He will lead you to false beliefs.... beware!

  • @tubsy007 This guy is a piece of shit

  • Very wise man. Allahu ackbar

  • @GnosticReality Who are you talking to ? We don't care about Ibn Baz, Kabbani, we care only about the Messengers, Prophets and pious companions. Bilal Philips is saying many people from the naqhabandyia follow blindly their leaders and think they must have a sheikh to follow, that's true. Finaly you have to know that the word "wahabi" was created by the english when they wanted to crush the rebellion of mujahideen who wanted to fight them and preserve unity of muslims. We are muslim not wahabis

  • mr bilal philips aka the wahabi wobbler

  • i find salafi-wahabi's and Sufis equally unappealing.

    I think both sides have many good points if looked at objectively but neither has made any real attempt at making matters clear.

  • Why are you so interested in attacking Sufi ? It is better for you seek sufi knowledge first before even talk about it. Having listened to this clip, i then realized that you don't even know what you are talking about because you are just jumping up and down like somebdy traveling without any destination. please seek KNOWLEDGE !!!!!!

  • this guy is a douche. why wouldnt people be going to their meetings?. im not a sufi but when you enter a sunni mosque all you hear is "shia kafir, christians kafir, america is this america is that, cover your women, this that this that". but when you go to a sufi meeting you recite love for Allah, you perform dhikr,you worship God with all the love possible. you turn on the tv and you see that sunnis beheaded 20 shias. or bombed something. ever heard of sufis doing that? look at yourselves first

  • @prgm210 why dont u go back to the true sunnah and back to the koran instead of following a sheikh or whatever and how about u turn that tv off because i can see ur so brainwashed by the media its not even funny :)

  • @Hashish22 actually 'hashish". im not a sufi. so before you attempt to insult me, know that i have a bachelors degree in Religion with specialization in christianity, a masters in Quranic exegesis and im currently working on my phD in Islamic studies. so before you attempt to challenge my thinking with your brainwashed wahabi crap, try and know a little something about religion and not outwardly bend down to wannabe clerics. go back to the Quran and leave your pathetic mullahs.

  • @prgm210 You hear that in a sunni mosque because they consider "there is only one god and muhammad is his messenger". The naqsahbandi follow a sheikh, we follow the messenger. The Shia follow Ali and Muhammad, we only follow Muhammad. The christians say jesus is the son of god, we say there is only one God.

    "ever heard of sufis doing that? "

    Doku Umarov, the leader of the Caucasian mujahideen is a sufi and he is involved in moscow bombing . Many sufi mujahideen in Iraq and afghanistan

  • i cannot believe what he is saying.

    he should have a public debate with a actual scholar is has knowledge of sharia and tassawuf. He will not even dare to debate. Scholars like this are only popular to the people who like what they say regardless if he has sound knowledge or not, and sadly they have no way of knowing. May ALLAH guide them.

  • What a bunch of....of bullshit. Astagfirullah.

  • Wahabi followers like this guy invest a lot of time miscriditing other muslims

  • wahabis are full of shit and lick the british empires balls because they fund em

  • this guy is the devil, and a liar also philips show us evidence

  • @sajjaddar Does Bilial Philips have any evidence of these statements that he is making? 

  • @sajjaddar which part philips lied about please tell me?

    if you need evidence about what he said we all can get that from sufi imam.

    why don't you ask your sufi imam to answer or reply these allegation if these are false video record them too, so we can share the idea and clear up the misconception. i am sure they can answer. please do this for me, please.

  • @interest2006 All this is not true, I can tell you from experience and in the simplest form is called Adat & Hormat. Any person that is not respectful and expressed themselves in that matter is simply "EGO" in Sufism you submerge yourselves in the love of ALLAH/GOD/ The creator and further more he points the finger something that is common in people that are "Fakes"..

  • well with the will of ALLAH TA ALLAH any thing is possible, these people like sheikh nazim spend all their lifes worsipping ALLAH TA ALLAH and as for the alcohol thing he is taling s%*t

  • We have no hidden knowledge

    This is true Islam

  • Narrated Aisha : Abu Bakr came riding his horse from his dwelling place in As-Sunh. He got down from it, entered the Mosque and did not speak with anybody till he came to me and went direct to the Prophet, who was covered with a marked blanket. Abu Bakr uncovered his face. He knelt down and kissed him and then started weeping and said, "My father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Prophet! Allah will not combine two deaths on you. You have DIED the death which was written for you."

  • The Naqshamonkey said: "of course Umar didn't kill Abu Bakr, but he threatened death to anyone who said Muhammad was dead.."

    And Abu Bakr clearly said the Messenger died. And when 'umar received the news, he surrendered to Allah's will. He was not like you or your silly shaikh Nazim Haqqani.

  • The stage of barzakh is a transition that takes place after death. Those who are alive do not enter barzakh.

    Idiot Naqshamonkey.

  • Claiming that Abu Bakr accused the ummah of shirk is implausible because he gathered the sahaba to take their bay'ah. Claiming that umar believed that the Messenger passed away, but he was also alive, and that

    he wanted to kill anyone who said the Messenger was dead is a naked lie, because Abu Bakr said the Messenger DIED and 'Umar didn't kill him, instead he united the Muslims to give their bay'ah to Abu Bakr.

  • There is no single definition for the word "sufi" - the popular definition relates the term to hindusim. And as for the religion of sufisim, we can find it in Hinduism among the Fakir sect which includes Sikhs and Hindus, and we can also find it in Judaism among Moses Maimonides, and Christianity. Saying Sufism is pure Islam is a lie, hence sufi practices and thikr is easily traced to other religions.

  • The beliefs of the Munafiqeen who lived during the time of the Prophet S is something to really ponder about.

    They were in the habit of insulting and degrading the dignity of Allahs Messenger.

    They considered the Prophet as an ordinary man like themselves and that he was completely powerless.They were strongly opposed to the intercession of the Holy Prophet.

    They outrightly rejected the Wasila of the Prophet.They laughed and jeered at the Prophets knowledge of the Unseen..

    Sound familiar?

  • Yes, sounds familiar. The Messenger dies, and the sahaaba clearly say he died, and in the Quran it is mentioned he will die, and the sufi monkeys claim he is not dead, but living in his grave. They say the Messenger is no ordinary man, but they are a bunch of idiots who have no idea what's in the Quran:

    17:93 (...) Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Glorified (and Exalted) be my Lord (Allâh) above all that evil they (polytheists) associate with Him! Am I anything but a man, sent as a Messenger?"

  • 2) Allah S in these ayaat is not praising namrood, firaun and abu jahal but rather condemning their aqeedah!

    If He S is a bashar like you then why send lanat (curse) on firaun, namrood and abu jahal?

    Wahhabi religion is identical to the beliefs of the ENEMIES of Allah swt & the Prophets, hence wahhabis are also the enemies of Allah swt & his Prophets AS !!

  • @GnosticReality : I wonder what this liar will say to weasel his way out of this one?

  • @GnosticReality : '"Wahhabi" and "Intellect" are oxymorons' - Truly one of the funniest things I have heard in a long long time. Sadly true.

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  • The people that say the prohets pbut are dead they don't believe the spirits lives on and how was it then on mirhaj all the prophets pbut read behind rasool allah pbuh in jeruslam if they were dead. Also in quran allah almighty tells rasool allah pbuh to ask people that came before him that didn't we tell them to worship the one true God; so how can you ask dead people these questions. If the martyrs are alive then prophets pbut status is above them hence they are alive.

  • Very succinctly put ... but it will fall on deaf ears. The wahabis know all of this, yet it is their tenet to deny and defy, they are the anarchists of our time. The hadith of Zul Khawasera Tamimi, the founder of the khaarjis, defines these people completely. There is nothing more to be said.

  • We did mention that the mechanics of the spirit is another issue. We also confirmed that not even the spirits of messengers and prophets is aware, but even the spirits of the kuffar as mentioned in:

    40:46. The Fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, AND on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): "Cause Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people to enter the severest torment!"

    So those people are ALIVE too because they are experiencing their punishment.

  • Wobblers say the prophets pbut are just normal human beings full stop, nowhere in glorious quran or hadith did Allah almighty or the blessed sahaba say prophets pbut were JUST normal human beings only the kafirs used to say that . Yes in the Quran it does say that allah almighty ordered rasool allah pbuh to tell kafirs that they're human like them but revelations are revaealed to them meaning they are like and unlike them at the same time i.e. ruby is a stone but its unlike any other stone.

  • All I know about this particular Naqshamonkey is that he said he cited two chains for a tradition in this discussion, when he was challenged to show the chains, he said he doesn't have time to dig them out from his books. He also said in the tradition we recently quoted: "Umar says Aish/alive!" And that wasn't in the text. He didn't even apologize for those lies, yet he talks about ego!

  • The Naqshamonkey is answering our question with another question.... You can indeed vomit whatever idea you have after admitting the word said by Abu Bakr in the two traditions we provided.

  • If this is coiling sees a single ray of truth, then Allah has accused his messenger of:

    Quran, 20:131. And strain not your eyes in longing for the things We have given for enjoyment to various groups of them (...)

    And according to the Naqshamonkey, the Messenger also desired this world because Allah said:

    Quran, 18:28. (...) and let not your eyes overlook them, desiring the pomp and glitter of the life of the world; (...)

  • What a dumb Naqshamonkey. Don't run away from the answer by leaning on the literal and the metaphorical. Just say the word that appears in the text and then feel free to vomit your weird opinions.

  • Idiot. These two ayaat in surat aal-'imraan and albaqara clearly talk about those who killed in the way of Allah, the Messenger was not killed in the way of Allah.

    Quran, 3:144. Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies **OR** is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? (...)

    Did he DIE or was he KILLED?

  • What is the word that appears in the text which you have translated as: "was no longer physically with them.." Could it be "DEAD?" If you don't want to go back and forth with this argument, either shut up or type that word.

  • Did abu bakr say: Maat/Dead or did he say the messenger is physically unavailable? Okay, Al-Albani is a bad bad bad guy, but you say you have your own version of bukhari, so what does it say? Maat/dead, or physically unavailable? The way I see it is that the Sufis are the ones (not albani) who are twisting a simple and clear word that appears in the hadeeth text: DEAD/Maat.

  • Alas ... we have to swoop down to the level of the wahabi intellect to make them understand. May be some simple math will work where logic and reason have failed.

  • Dear Naqshamonkey #2: If you can address the two traditions, do so and you will prove your intellect supercedes mine. Until now, none of you two dorks managed to address 2 traditions and 1 aaya. Go call your awliyaa in their graves and let them help you.

  • Bilal Phillips = wahabi = janitor of the British = khaarji = person of biddah.

    Al-khayyaal = Al-Bunny = Shaykh of Bilal Phillips = A-Liar

    Q.E.D

  • Alkhayyaal is a liar because he referred the Naqshamonkeys to two traditions and one aaya which crippled them. That means that the Sufis in reality consider Allah, Abu Bakr, and 'Aaisha as liars, because Alkhayyaal did not author the Quran or invent the two traditions.

  • Fabricating traditions, and falsifying others is no problem for Al-bunny and his croonies. The translation and tafseer of the Quran is also fair game for their like.

  • If you claim that two traditions are false, you should be able to prove that. If you have another tafseer for a clear aaya that requires no tafseer, then bring it forward. Naqshamonkey #1 said that you people have another version of Albukhari, go and figure the "undistorted" versions for the two reports.

  • I think this AlKhayyaal is actually Al-Bani .... his qazb is just as high if not greater ... actually he has even left the shias behind

  • Here we see some beautiful artwork from the Sufi crap vending machine, and we advise him not to use Arabic terms if his disability is that massive because it only makes him super-silly.

    Qazb? Do you also substitute the letter "z" with the letter "th" when you read the Quran? The stupidity from this guy shines when we wonder how his pronunciation disabilities is transferred to his fingers when he types a short message.

  • Again, we see the Naqshamonkey (And the observer of this discussion will realize that I tried to respect this lunatic, but he started the name calling, so he deserves all the insults) is back again sharing his problems with wahhabis and Saudis.

    The dumb sufi also tells us that there is a special version of Bukhari in the sufi wonderland. Yet, he STILL FAILS to address the two traditions and the aaya we brought forward. Now watch him dismiss this paragraph and capitalize on the first paragraph.

  • You mean like Nazim Haqqani? The real naqshabandis abandoned him and they warn about him and they disassociate themselves from him. Same goes to Abdullah Al-daghistani.

    And as for the Refa'iyya.. What can I say about those liars. Enough to say that they falsely related their shaikh to the Messenger, and the scholars of the ummah (ibn khillikaan, alsiyooti, ibn al-atheer, al-thahabi..) clarified that Al-refa'i is not from the lineage of the Messenger

    Sufis are liars, and u are a living example.

  • Why don't you shut up and address the two traditions from Buhkhari and aaya 30 from surat azzumar. Try to find any other Naqshamonkey and let him help you out.

  • Hahaha... I don't wear black socks or red ghutra. I don't even have a beard, I don't even cover my head. In fact, my ancestor includes Ibn Rasheed, do you know who he fought? Ibn Abdilwahab. In fact, I'm not Saudi.

    Your hastiness makes you stupid. Why are you stupid? Because you indulge in a discussion without focusing on the arguments laid in front of your eyes, instead, you resort to ad hominem arguments, and usually that's despised.

  • LOL! What a crapzoid! Okay, tell you what: If the Sufis have a special version of bukhari, point me to it and let's see how those two hadiths are narrated in Naqshamonkey version of Bukhari. I will accept the narrations even if DEAD does not exist in the text.

  • Of course I do. Let me point you to alfiyoodhat arrabbaaniyya fi alma-aathir wal-awrad alqadiriyya, compiled by ismaa'eel alqaadiri, p. 152. And you can see it in the Qadiri forum by searching google for (copy the next line in full) :

    00cb2c2bf0c637942e5661e19c2268­37 تمخيثا

    So who is the liar, Mr. Naqshadorki?

  • And so we've seen how the Naqshadorki's respond to the challenges we raised: 1. They lie on 'umar; 2. They run away from aaya 30 from surat azzumar; 3. They completely avoid the saheeh traditions in Albukhari, and by that they can't be from Ahl al-sunnah; 4. They divert their personal problems to Ibn Abdilwahhab, Al-albani, and ibn Baz. And then they treat themselves and say, "Refuted!" :)

    And this shows that the Sufis do not take from Quran and Sunnah.

  • Does Abu Bakr say "DEAD" or "ALIVE?" And as for 'umar, he does not say "Aish"/Alive, you lying Naqshadorki! And here's the Arabic text for you!

    قال أبو سلمة فأخبرني ابن عباس رضى الله تعالى عنهما أن أبا بكر رضى الله تعالى عنه خرج وعمر رضى الله تعالى عنه يكلم الناس، فقال اجلس فأبى، فقال اجلس فأبى فتشهد أبو بكر

    ...

    Where is "Aish???"

  • Idiot. Are you saying this hadeeth in bukhari is fabricated by ibn baz and al-albani?

  • The Naqshadorki did not address the aaya and tha traditions from Bukhari.

  • The aya 30 from surat azzumar and the two saheeh traditions from bukhari were refuted... The Sufi way. How? I have no idea, but we'll have to satisfy the Naqshadorki ego. All what concerns Al-albani, ibn baz, ibn abdilwahhab does not concern me. What concerns me is that the Sufis say that the Messenger is not dead, while the Quran and the Sunnah and the Sahaaba say he is dead.

  • Alquraan: Surat Azzumar (#39):30. Verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) will die and verily, they (too) will die.

    All the sources say the Messenger is D E A D. Allah says to him "you will die." Abu Bakr said in saheeh albukhari: "You have died," "Muhammad is dead." Muslims agree he is dead accept for the Naqshadorkis. To them, even the Quran and saheeh albukhari is a conspiracy executed by Ibn baz, ibn abdilwahab, and albani - their triangle of terror. What a bunch of idiots.

  • Albukhari, V2, book 23: Narrated 'Aisha: Abu Bakr came riding his horse from his dwelling place(...). Abu Bakr uncovered his face. He knelt down and kissed him and then started weeping and said, "My father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Prophet! Allah will not combine two deaths on you. You have DIED the death which was written for you."

  • Saheh Albukhari, V.2, Book 23, Number 333: Narrated Abu Salama from Ibn Abbas: Abu Bakr came out and 'Umar , was addressing the people, and Abu Bakr told him to sit down but 'Umar refused. Abu Bakr again told him to sit down but 'Umar again refused. Then Abu Bakr recited the Tashahud and the people attended to Abu Bakr and left 'Umar. Abu Bakr said, "Amma ba'du, whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, then Muhammad is DEAD, but whoever worshipped Allah, Allah is alive and will never die (...)

  • In Bukhari and Muslim, Abu Bakr said after the Messenger died: Whoever worships Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad has died.

    من كان يعبد محمد، فإن محمداً قد مــــات

    Can you read that? Maat. Died.

  • Not true, all of them addressed the problem in this hadeeth related to 'ubaydullaah bin 'umar or 'abdullah bin 'umar. All of them.

  • This is not true. He did not say he is "salih alhadeeth," Mr. Naqshadork. He said "suwaylih alhadeeth" and after that he completely denied the authenticity of the hadeeth. Why did you twist suwalih and made it salih?

    As for al-subki, he means nothing to me because he is a sufi who mentioned many stories about talking animals who inspired many sufi shaikhs.

  • Ibn 'adyy said, "I hope he is alright." Which means, he doesn't know if he is alright or not. So we have ibn 'adyy, al-thahbi, al-'asqalaani, ibn khuzayma, al'aqeeli, and many others... all of them say the hadeeth is forged. Sorry.

  • What good is your proof if you can't demonstrate it. It's just like the proofs you people have about your shaiks talking to horses and other animals and taking Islamic rulings from those creatures. So tell us: Who are Tamkheetha and Batrsheetha whom your Qadiri sufi brothers supplicate to?

    And why do you people supplicate to Allah using Jewish names for Allah like Adonai Zeba'ot El Shaddai? It's you sufis who distorted the religion and borrowed from Judaism and Hinduism.

  • Okay if they are not forged, why does the famous scholar whom SUFIS say is a FAMOUS Sufi -- why does he (alsiyooti) list it and mentions it in his book al-la-aal-i al-masnoo'ah fee al-aHadeeth almawdoo'a (forged ahadeeth). What are the traditions you mentioned doing in a book that talks about forged traditions authored by a FAMOUS SUFI SCHOLAR?

    I suggest you go home, then go to a hadra, dance and relax and play with knives and sharp objects and kiss your shaikh's big toe. That suits you better

  • watch?v=fMtWNM3DpXE at 6:40 they report that Nazim's right hand, Kabbani, says that: "Whoever takes the Naqshabandi tareeqa from Nazim Haqqani will be able to say to any thing KUN (be!) and whatever the student wills will become!" The Sufi lecturer then calls Nazim and Hisham Qabbani (at 7:04): "Kuffaar!" So I guess that sufi shaikh is also a wahhabi khariji najdi, etc...

    I guess talking to sufis is more fun than watching their circus freak shows...

  • Sufis disassociate themselves from Nazim Haqqani and they boldly abandon him:

    watch?v=TZwKZz1UPYw

    watch?v=fMtWNM3DpXE (at 4:55)

    Those people are sufis exposing Nazim Haqqaani who appears in 7 places at the same time. What will you guys call them? Wahhabis?

  • Like all the Shayukh have said "listening to the wahabis will increase you with the Almighty only in distance."

    The wahabis flee the truth like darkness from light. All they do is qazb, their knowledge is founded on nothingness. Wahabism is just a passing annoyance in the history of Islam.

  • We gave you references from scholars, you have nothing. Completely bankrupt. It's better for you to show us how you can dance and pierce your cheeks than talk about scholarship. We gave you books and page numbers, you gave nothing in return. Go back to your freak shows.

  • The proof of the falsehood of the wahabis lies in the attempts of Albani and his friends to alter the classic books on hadith by the most renowned scholars of the 2nd & 3rd century, by simply omitting ahadith or declaring them as mawdooh. E.g. being Imam Bukhari's Al-Adab al-mufrid. Albani has simple wiped away ~80 chapters from the original book, comprising ~360 ahadith. The criteria being that they did not comply with his aqeedah. Astahgfirullah Al Azeem.

  • We say al-siyooti said it's forged, and they hit on al-albani. We say al-thahabi, they say al-albani. We say abu hatim, they say al-albani. We say ibn hajar al-'asqalaani, they say al-albani.

    Do you need someone to pinch your cheeks or do you prefer to insert in them a sharp object like your sufi brothers? WAKE UP!

  • This hadeeth is a forged hadeeth, also mentioned by the Sufi scholar alsiyooti in his book al-la-aal-e (specific to forged traditions) in V.1 p. 283! Al'aqeeli said: "This hadeeth has no origin." It cannot be traced.

    Ibn aljawzi also mentioned in this hadeeth in his book almawdhoo'aat (forged traditions) in V. 1, p. 303.

    If you still want to claim that ibn tayymiya is/was a sufi, then he also said that this hadeeth is forged and falsely raised to al'amash. (majmoo' alfataawa, V.27, p. 241)

  • @Alkhayyaal Maybe all the great Imam's and muhaddiseen of the 2nd and 3rd centuries were sadly ignorant of the fact that you bring to light here ... meaning that they did not possess the mental capacity to analyze the hadith as forged, and lo and behold the Almighty has given you the taufeeq that was withheld from those august personalities. I think I will rest my case here. Enough said.

  • Slander and back biting ... one of the highest virtues of a "scholar of Islam" ... Beware of everybody except myself ... Do what I say but not what I do ... Classic. What an outstanding example of islamic scholarship. Who is to blame more, this fellow or the people who follow him?

  • @dameen78 The wahabi brigade is still at it I see, expounding the typical khaarji theology of applying the ayaats for the kuffaar upon the muslims who do not conform with their aqeedah.

    The Prophet (PBUH) himself in the famous hadith of the blind man asked to make tawassul through him. "Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O Muhammad (Ya Muhammad), I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight"

  • ibn Hajr in his fat-h albaari (V. 13, p. 147): Najd from the EASTERN side. Whoever was in Madina (as the sahaaba and the Messenger were), his "najd" would be the deserts of Iraq; And this is the East of Madina (as mentioned in numerous traditions in al-bukhari and muslim). The origin of the word "najd" is a reference to whatever was raised from the ground (not a specific location).

    Can we now go back to the the NEW musaylama who appears in 7 places at the same time?