Prop 8 isn't? Perhaps Jesus and agod shouldn't have put condemnations against it in the Bible then I guess. Your LDS, but you don't believe in the Church? Strange. Any other oddities you'd like to share?
This video tells the truth brutally. There are a lot of people who appear to be offended by it, it's about time you experienced the feeling of having your rights taken away & not being able to marry the one you love. Prop 8 is a bigoted, racist, evil and WRONG bill that disenfranchised tens of thousands of California couples and their families. For a Church that preaches love & family, prop 8 showed forth just the opposite. Prop 8 is definitely not something Jesus would ever have done.
Grandfathered? That's nice. If you don't like equal marriage then don't marry someone of the same gender, it's really simple. This is people's lives and civil rights, not some exclusive country club. Thank God for the honorable Vaughn Walker!
People keep running to the whole Tax issue. The LDS Church instructed its members on a concern for a legal position that could potentially harm the organization. There are active attempts to sue the LDS Church into officiating gay marriages in areas it is legal. Why should any entity be forced to stand by and have no say when something could potentially harm it? That's stupid.
@OpinionatedJosh Ok, know it all, lets see some evidence to prove that there are "attempts to sue the LDS Church into officiating gay marriages where it is legal..." I'm LDS and I'm sick and tired of the fear-mongering, mythology that is so rampant in LDS culture about this issue. It's time it stopped.
@sydkiker - Constitutional right of free speech, fine. But it still has the affect on real people that was portrayed in the video. Also, is the LDS Church a tax-exempt church or is it a political action committee?
@hawkeyery The gay community did have marriage rights for a period of 6 months until a bunch of religious fanatics decided to use the state (using the tyranny of the narrow majority in voting against this right) in order to not allow anymore same sex marriages to occur in California after that. Those same gender loving couples who were married during that 6 month period ARE STILL LEGALLY MARRIED.
$20m dollars donated by people who ARE Mormon is not the same as $20m dollars donated BY a church. If we measured this way there was probably more money donated by the catholic church.
@DRVBJR There were cases where Bishops and Stake Presidents used fear tactics (i.e. Church discipline) in order to heavily influence Church members to get out their check books and donate a lot of money toward the campaign in favor of Prop 8. The LDS Church has a lay priesthood and therefore these individuals were donating time and money in their Ecclesiastical positions and not just as members of the Church.
You see, they should have blitzed California with ads like this, not the namby-pamby ones that they did. The vote was so close; it may have very well been the strong, scare-tactic ads done by the Yes side that got them their victory.
@DCshirley I think the saddest thing that I'm learning more than ever is that it's individuals like Mitt Romney who prove the point that too many leaders tell lies in order to get what they want. I've never seen a man who is running for the office of president tell such outrageous lies as that man does. It's an embarrassment for me as a man who tries to follow the Prince of Peace and live His way. The fact that the LDS Church will not admit its mistakes (as we all need to) is not helpful.
how about VOTE NO on LEGAL MARRIAGE EVERYWHERE. Get the government out of marriage and save EQUAL PROTECTION for single people, who disproportionately pay into the "benefits" of marriage given to married folks by the state, at the expense of singles. To hell with state-sponsored marriage.
@ycdtotv how about VOTE NO on RELIGIOUS MARRIAGE EVERYWHERE. Get the religion out of marriage and save EQUAL PROTECTION for single people, who disproportionately pay into the "benefits" of marriage given to married folks by the state, at the expense of singles. To hell with religion-sponsored marriage.
just seen this video; watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE&feature=related Mormons are sick, and children are subjected to this evil rubbish. How on you do you Americans allow this.... come on you are living in the 21st century. America is increasing looking like a backward country....
America has some really crazy and dangerous religions, and you yanks are worried about the Islamic religion - I worry about yourselves first......
@MushroomPictures “You're just jealous because we won the war of 1812”
How random, you Mormon are strange folks! Well I don’t think it really matters to me too much what was the going-ons of 1812, one side of the family was in Normandy at the time and the other being Irish, no doubt they were firmly based near Cork as the rest of the extended family still lives today.
@TheFireHorseUK I would support homosexual marriage. I really would. But(according to our beliefs) such marriage is limited to mortality and is an abomination to God. I know God loves everyone equally,including homosexuals, but I really am not sure what his purpose for them is. Maybe I am wrong and being gay is a choice. I just don't know. I do know that, according to our church, being a homosexual isn't a sin. Only homosexual acts.
@MushroomPictures thanks for your very long winded message but 'Fact' the mormons are a cult - and your statement:...
" However, it seems that many of you atheists regard us, the lesser faithful, with contempt, scorn, and condescension. Einstein was a believer in God. He was Jewish."
....is going where? So what if Einstein is Jewish? You mormons are still a cult with a large number of sex-offences and very strange going-ons in your cult! I don't like cult coming to britain!
Anyway back to freaky Mormons and why you lot are strange and sick, following a twisted religious dogma, which promotes bigotry, believe in special under wear, and believing Jews living in America 3000 years ago with no evidence of such a claim.... yes a very strange lot.
@MushroomPictures “Well, the underwear thing is true. I've worn them myself, actually. They're for symbolism of purity, they're white”
Come on now, don’t be shy and tell the audience the ‘real’ magic powers you mormons believe they have, and all the meanings to the symbols – which brings me to the point that isn’t that kind of stepping onto ‘Witchcraft’? Cult?
@MushroomPictures "Oh by the way, I lived in Oxford for 31/2 years(i'm just saying)."
Mormons – all brunches are in a cult, and the fact you are in the UK is worrying – you might not be a peado yourself but your cult has a history of sex offences and some against children. Really do think UK borders controls should be tighten up on cult followers. We stop Islamic leaders from preaching hate so how on earth did a racist preaching hatred get through?
@TheFireHorseUK Why don't you go to one of our meetings(respectfully)?We aren't a cult,and our splinter groups give us a bad name to people like you, ready to pounce on anything you can use to tell the world about how evil religion is. How exactly do you stop Muslims from preaching, anyhow?
Stopping them from getting into the country, the same way to stop sex-offending Mormons from getting in to the country - but obviously the controls are slack again....
Thanks for the invite to your cult but I use logic and reason for my existence not a delusional belief system to justify crimes against humanity and restriction of rights.
Which bit? Calling Mormons a cult or stopping hateful preachers and sick sex offenders of cults from getting into Britain?
I say ban all cults in the UK – we don’t have the finance to 'police check' every peado/sex-offender/whacky preacher coming into this country so lets stop their cults for a starter.
@TheFireHorseUK You know, for an atheist, you aren't very logical. Islam has many variations, but the pure strain supports peace entirely. Your beliefs, while less complicated than ours, could be considered very strange. You also seem to have quite a lot of hate yourself, if you hate all those who believe in God(which I am not sure you do), you hate over 6300000000 people. The only people I strongly dislike are a few people in my life, and I hate terrorists and several other worldwide people.
@MushroomPictures "you aren't very logical. Islam has many variations, but the pure strain supports peace entirely. "
and don't put yourself on the same par as Islam - Islam is a religion, Mormon is a cult. The UK has a policy to stop preachers of 'hate' from gaining access into the UK....
That same effort should also apply to keeping out Mormons too....
@TheFireHorseUK Please stop calling us a cult. You use that word so freely, I am not sure you know what it means. I suppose there isn't a clear cutoff point for cult and religion, but seriously, just tell me what you think it means.
That is what are you (mormons) and your behaviour in news reports of paedophila and sex offences should be enough to get local authorities attention.... but it’s all down to finance again. By having you lot wandering the streets is like having murders let out of jail as there’s no room to keep them in prisons.... it sickens me to the core!! UK really need to tighten up it's laws on cults and hateful preachers....
Respond to this video...@TheFireHorseUK The LDS has no history of sex offences that I am aware of, but the FLDS, as I previously mentioned, gives us a bad name. What if it was illegal to not believe in God? How would you feel?
People who break the law go to jail. People who practice their religion are protected by the first amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, and whatever you have over there.
You Mormon are like the Catholics – commit sex-offences and keep it inside your group as long as possible, until like in Ireland you are exposed for what you are. Cults shouldn’t be allowed – religion ok if some deluded halfwit wish to was time on chasing ‘thin air’, but CULTS like the mormons should be banned. No ifs or buts – we have enough trouble keeping on eye an catholics.....
@TheFireHorseUK One of my best friends is Catholic. Can you give me any examples of sex offences within the LDS church? Not the FLDS. And I don't think that over 6300000000 people are deluded half-wits. What sort of society do you want? A place where people can label something a cult and ban it? What would you do to the people who are in the "cult"? Lock them up or kill them if they continue to practice their beliefs? That happened in the Inquisition, as I am sure you are well aware.
@MushroomPictures 'What sort of society do you want? A place where people can label something a cult and ban it?'
Yes, and not just ban your cult but ensure you don't have access to the UK without a full check. It's all too easy to blame the polices and custom control offices for allowing sick cult members into the UK after the offence is committed, it's easier to just ban the cult in the first place....
'Lock them up if they continue to practice their beliefs? ' CULT worshipping
@TheFireHorseUK It is so much easier to argue with someone smarter than you, because while they try to make their case with logical arguments and fact, you repeat the same statements over and over, like what you are doing, until the other person just gives up and goes on with their life, unfazed.
Listen to me. First of all- Is 13 million people(only about 6 million of which are active) a relatively small group? Is that fact alone enough to convince you that we are not a relatively
cult(cult): a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:’
again you are a cult and again your members have been involved in sex-offences and your cult dogma requires you to do some strange activities - UK needs to stop cults at the borders.
@MushroomPictures 'but seriously, just tell me what you think it means.'
"The word 'cult' pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered strange.' and you can't get much stranger than the mormons...!
Well if you don’t like that one try the Oxford Dictionary:
‘cult(cult): a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:’
Still sums up you whacky mormons, and it’s not a hate thing – it’s about keeping peado, sex-offender cult followers out of the UK. It’s about protecting our populations.
@TheFireHorseUK Relative to what? We have over 13 million members, and only 8 million are active, the others inactive, including my father, 7 of his 8 siblings, his father, my mother's parents and 9 of her 10 siblings. They all used to be very devout. That doesn't sound like excessive control to me. Take it me, if I wanted to leave because I felt that we might be evil or controliing I would. Again, the LDS has no history that I am aware of of sex offences.
@MushroomPictures "Again, the LDS has no history that I am aware of of sex offences."
You mormon have a record of your cults action in under age sex and other sickening offences - using and changing abbreviations is going to change what your cult is up too or do.
cult(cult): a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:’
@MushroomPictures "What magic powers do you think we think we have?"
"mormon garments - For temple-going Mormons, the garment serves much the same purpose as religious clothing throughout history - there have been a large number of reports of the super underwear saving people from ballets and car crashes” – it’s the ‘magic’ underwear your mormons have in your whacky cult....
@TheFireHorseUK You don't wear it outside of the temple, so there isn't really a way it could protect you even if it did have magic powers. A man in our ward got shot in the head a couple of weeks ago, and survived, because the shot went through a door.
@MushroomPictures No cult like Mormons or religious groups should hold a political office or sway over people’s rights, it’s not in your country’s constitution. Besides, to have cults controlling a political office isn’t very progressive, it’s a step backwards. America does claim to be a democracy even though signs of this are few and far between. There are times that the US is on the same par as Russia, really – Just a European prospective.
This inability to think for yourself and following a cult dogma is why you (as in Mormons) should be prevented from holding offices in politics, educations, welfare and health care. No child should be left under care a Mormon, be like leaving a child under care of a catholic priest.... much to the Ireland’s lateness on that one....
Respond to this video...Did you know that (unfortunately) about half of our members are inactive? I think that demonstrates a pretty good ability to think for ourselves. About the jews in america, evidence isn't the point of religion. Are you an atheist?
Finally, many of the members of my church believe that homosexuality is a choice(i do not). We don't support gay marriage because it is against our beliefs( there are specific ones, but I have to go. Maybe later.). We are not encouraged to hate.
Mormon are morons, and morons (insane) shouldn’t be having says over other people's human rights, in fact I wouldn’t even give the insane the right to vote, but human rights say they are entitled to a vote so can’t argue with that one. But I do think cults should be allowed near to children, that's all religious cults including Mormons - child protection is very lack in America - Jesus Camps, Mormons brainwashing, Catholic Prelists habits with children.
We are not morons. One of the brothers in my ward worked at CERN, and many others in the aerospace industry(it's pretty big in the DFW area) We really aren't a cult, but several of our splinter groups would probably fall under that category.
Yes you do, your cult is based on that. Your mormon story of why there are black people is a clear sign of hate, and stupidity. Plus the child abuse that goes on in your closed community, another sign of hate and ‘child grooming’. The denial of people’s human rights is another sign of hate.
Respond to this video... I have heard the story of where black people came from. It isn't part of our official beliefs, and it came from one leader's(not a prophet) opinion, which many of our ignorant brethren accepted as fact. Did you know that in one of my old wards, one of our brothers was a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Most of our members are in touch with our official doctrine and positions, but he clearly wasn't.
Are you talking about the FLDS here, or the LDS(original church)?
@MushroomPictures "have heard the story of where black people came from. It isn't part of our official beliefs, and it came from one leader's(not a prophet) opinion, which many of our ignorant brethren accepted as fact.
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It's apart of your belief system... be honest, you are not dealing with dumb Americans here.....
@MushroomPictures “What problems do you have with Islam? You don't seem to like them either!”
The same problem I have will all religions, restrictive to human progress – Christianity is in sense lightly better than Islam for supporting human rights, but you Mormon are worst than Islam. Mormon are also bit like Scientology, made up religion to control a group into some sick cult going ons, you’re not really a religion, you are a cult.
I like Daniel Tosh's response Idea. He wanted an ad where the girl from the Mormon's anti-gay marriage commercial runs into a house in Utah and says "mommy why are you only 9 years older that me?" and then 5 different women respond.
I seriously don't care what the marriage laws are, but I agree with the point. If there was an ad of two gay guys going into one's work place and demanding acceptance and special treatment, thus running it into the ground. Well that would be worse than Hitler wouldn't it?
@redbaron998 I'm not sure why you'd say this video is slander. It happens to be well established FACT that LDS used their incredible wealth and influence to sway the vote in CA. They called black voters and LIED to them, saying that Obama supported Prop 8, when in fact he didn't. They used lies and deception in their TV ads, as well as created "front" organizations to disguise that they were LDS funded. They have paid a fine in CA for improper election infractions. So, there is NO slander.
@redbaron998 The LDS history of anti-gay marriage activities dates back to the 1990s when they got involved in Hawaii's first attempt to institute gay marriage. Again the LDS created a "front" organization to hide their illegal activity. They could have lost their tax exempt status if it had been investigated properly. Ditto for the Catholic church in Prop 8.
It's already happened!!!!!!! In az, Mormon kids get special paid programs from tax dollars so they can catch up on credits try missed by not taking FREE a-hours and having to take seminary. Just because you are mormon doesn't mean you should be allowed to get extra classes for free. Jews should be able to get free hours and go to the synagogue, Catholics to their own church schools and other denominations to study their own. Or no special rights at all.
@TAPriceCTR I agree I have gay friends who I care about deeply, but I feel that fighting over a title that is not really going to make you equal, fix civil unions while we try to fix marriage both things need a lot of work in today's world
This is just plain horrible for one Mormons are not like that they are good hearted people who are helpers in the christian community even though I'm catholic and we have diffrent beliefs we may not be the perfect but we serve the perfect God
pretty much every bit of that anti Mormon crap is a lie i know cause im LDS i think i would know this stuff the missionary thing is they dont want them to swim because its a liability issue 50% of the pop doesnt know how to swim they are liable for injury they dont want that to happen haha funny stuff though
@cbeersboy1 Just keep laughing, because in my view you are wasting your time in the LDS. I would guess that your parents are LDS and that is how you got involved in it. I was born into Evangelical Christianity the same way, since my father is a minister. Just because my parents are firm believers, doesn't mean I should be forced to believe as well. Religion is a CHOICE, isn't it? Sexual orientation, however, is NOT a choice.
How about we vote No on letting the government have any say whatsoever on marriage - and privatize marriage instead? Let's face it, the government cannot legislate on marriage at all according to the 10th Amendment (among other reasons), a fact that should be known to homosexuals and social conservatives alike.
@lisztnut first of all what is this "front" I Hawaii? And where is your proof of the phone banks. Also the Mormons aren't a cult, they are a religion.
It's funny how money put toward Prop 8 campaigns is called "propaganda" when it comes from religious origins, and yet is called "support" when it comes from gay-friendly groups. It's just politics. Yes, it's the church's stance that same-sex marriages disrupt the natural order of families. Last I checked, when a vote is called, and people vote according to what they believe, it's called democracy. Calling the church evil because its members voted and campaigned is ignorant and insipid.
@DavidEasthope It's bigotry that's accepted because the bible says it's wrong. That's not a good reason to believe anything. The bible is a work of fiction, just like Harry Potter. Just because it's old doesn't give it any validity.
@JComarsh true that the Mor(m)ons make up a small portion of our state. UNTRUE that we shouldn't blame them for Prop 8. The LDS cult involvement in the anti-gay marriage fight dates back several decades to Hawaii, where they created a fake "front" organization to hide their involvement. The TRUTH is that they LIED about the extend of their involvement, and they did deceitful things in CA. They called black voters and told them that Obama supported Prop 8. This was a LIE. He was AGAINST it.
@lisztnut: you say that the LDS (RELIGION) is taking away gay couples rights when in fact your taking there right of religion by forcing them to let you go parade around something that is sacred to there religion if you ask me the government should have no right in the business of marriage and where do you get your information from your just as ignorant as an LDS member who blindly follows the LDS church and there are very few ignorant LDS members. go have your domestic partnership not marriage.
@cbeersboy1 sounds like you've had too much beer. Your post here makes as much sense as drunk person. Yes, the LDS attempted to take away the rights of gays in California (and Maine) to marry. Fortunately, they lost a lot of money for nothing, because prop 8 is invalid. And, I'm already MARRIED legally in CA, why would I want a domestic partnership which offers 1000 FEWER rights? Makes no sense. Gay marriage IS the future. Get used to it, loser.
@cbeersboy1 and, LDS will always have the right to their 'celestial" marriages. Gay marriage is no threat to them. Marriage is a LEGAL contract. I could care less about any religious meaning. Gays don't need religious marriage, because we already have it! There are more and more churches/synagogues that WILL marry gay couples. Apparently, you're too dumb to know this. The California Council of Churches, the LARGEST body of Christians in our state, SUPPORTS gay marriage!
@cbeersboy1 I just returned from Sweden on Sunday. In Sweden it is ILLEGAL to preach against homosexuality from the pulpit. It is actually a hate crime. Also, churches are REQUIRED to marry gay couples. Those churches which object to marrying gay couples that have gotten out of the business of marrying ALL couples altogether. That's as it should be. Marriage should be a legal contract between a couple and their government, and nothing more.
@lisztnut homosexual acts are destructive to any society gay marriage notwithstanding. We must guard against such destruction. Its too bad Sweden has lost its religious freedoms. Sad indeed!
@klasdli homosexuality, according to REAL scientists, is NECESSARY for the survival of any species. Don't believe me? Watch this youtube video:
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom (National Geographic) And, stop spouting off reliigously based ignorance. Use your BRAIN... Homosexuality has existed in EVERY culture during ALL time periods, it is no more nor less destructive than is heterosexuality. Dumbass...
@lisztnut bullshit. you can make many arguments but the claim that homosexuality is biologicaly advantagious is as scientificaly incorrect as claiming that the earth is only 6000 years old. it is on par with broken window falacy.
@TAPriceCTR I didn't say that homosexuality is biologically advantageous, idiot. I said that homosexuality serves a FUNCTION in nature, otherwise it wouldn't have existed for millenia. Look up this book: Conundrum: The Evolution of Homosexuality by NJ Peters
So, if you think homosexuality is of no use nor advantage, why does it continue to exist in nature in rampant numbers of same sex pairings?
@TAPriceCTR well, if biologically advantageous (learn to spelll, dumbass) is the driving force of evolution, then homosexuality IS advantageous. This is my point, which you aren't bright enough to comprehend. Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom and has been documented in human history as far back as 4500 years ago. There is a REASON for it to exist. It is NOT a fad, NOT chosen, and serves the important function of preventing overpopulation. But, you knew that right?
oh no. I misspelled!!!! well, spelling oncorectly must prove I am so stupid that I can not even get myself dressed or build a captains bed of my own design or understand how things function.
homosexuality is not even as "rampant" in the animal kingdom as hemaphroditism. rampant means all over the place constantly occuring... but I guess spelling is more important than understanding the meaning of the words you are trying to spell.
@TAPriceCTR yes, it's important that you are illiterate. It means you've not done much reading nor research. I happen to have done a lot of reading on this topic. And, yes, homosexuality IS rampant in the animal kingdom. This has only been recently studied in depth. In fact, rightwing conservatives have pressured organizations to stop research into homosexual issues involving the animal kingdom. Here is a video which will educate:
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom (National Geographic)
@klasdli and, give up this cult you belong to. It has poisoned your brain. You can no longer think like a real person, but instead spout off verses from your book of Mormon. i feel sorry for you...
@lisztnut how can you be sure hes so brain washed arnt you? you only believe in forcing them to believe that they are wrong in what they believe. you are so ignorant and so offensive calling his religion a cult how would you feel if i used a homosexually offensive word. the only thing you can say is the words you are fed by your homosexual leaders from your rally's and protests you have no idea about religion i feel sorry for the insulting aggressive life you live.
@cbeersboy1 I don't give a fuck what people believe, as long as they leave those beliefs to themselves. If you want to believe that marriage has a religious connotation, that's your business, but you may NOT impose that belief on my governmental contract. Marriage is a LEGAL contract. And, yes, Mormons are cult members, so what? There are plenty of other cults out there, such as Scientology and the Moonies. I still respect their right to believe in whatever wacky belief system they choose.
@cbeersboy1 if someone thinks gay marriage is wrong, then they aren't forced to marry someone of the same sex, are they? Freedom means FREEDOM for everyone, not just heterosexuals. And, the time for this debate was like ten years ago before the Netherlands started the gay marriage movement. You are simply TOO late. There are now hundreds of married gay people (including myself) in America. It is TOO LATE to call it domestic partnerships. You have LOST this argument. Get over it, move on...
@lisztnut why so badly do you want me to stop arguing telling me ive lost means you feel like you dont have enough materiel to debate this besides you dont realize i stated the government should have no place in marriage in my first comment. i have gay friends and i respect there beliefs and they respect mine. and do you realize the size of the LDS religion 13 million members and one of the fastest growing religions hardly a cult.
@cbeersboy1 actually, this is patently false, and shows that you are being brainwashed. No, the LDS cult is actually at ZERO growth, according to Monson. Look it up...
@cbeersboy1 and, who the fuck are YOU to tell me that I know nothing about religion? My father is an Evangelical minister, asshole. I was indoctrinated in fundamentalist Christianity, which is why I'm so strongly against it. I was not given a choice in the matter, and I was brainwashed from birth until I escaped it at 18. I had Jesus thrust down my throat, and it will take years of therapy to get all that indoctrination out of my system.
@cbeersboy1 and, I don't live by the words of any homosexual leaders. I have a BRAIN, and I use it. I don't need others to tell me what to do... And, I stand by what I said earlier, Mormonism is a CULT. It cannot be denied. It is not accepted by the rest of Christianity. Ask any Catholic priest or Protestant minister, and they will agree with me. The Mormons have taken the bible and twisted it around with Masonry and they call it a religion. It is FALSE...
@lisztnut i have and you do realize that the lds religion does not force people to believe what they believe and the LDS religion does not twist the bible. why so badly do you want gays to have the right of marriage if you are so against religion?
@cbeersboy1 Marriage isn't about religion. In fact, marriage has nothing to do with it. Gays already have the right to marry in churches, this will not change when it becomes legal in all 50 states. Are you blind to the fact that some Methodists, Congregational, Unitarian, Presbyterian, Evangelical Lutheran, etc, churches already marry gay couples in their sanctuaries? If you are sincere in respecting other religions, than you are imposing YOUR beliefs to forbid gay marriage.
@cbeersboy1 you have to get it in your brain that gays don't want nor need religious marriage, we want the LEGAL aspect. Therefore, this has nothing to do with your cult or any religion. Religious groups in America are protected and always will be protected from marrying any couple they want. In fact, my father, and Evangelical minister, will not marry couples if one of them was previously divorced. He cannot be sued for refusing to marry them.
@cbeersboy1 your problem is that you have been taught by your cult leaders that gay marriage will somehow infere with your religion. This is complete and utter NONSENSE. And, I can tell you that the New Jersey case that your cult used in the Prop 8 case was total bullshit. First off, it was a JEWISH lesbian couple who wanted to use a Methodist church's public space. They were NOT asking to me married in a Methodist church, so this case was completely bogus and unrelated to religious freedom.
@cbeersboy1 so, you just have to get over the fact that gay marriage WILL be the law of the land, and in the not too distant future. If gay marriage violates your personal beliefs, then you are free to marry someone of the opposite sex. Gay marriage affects those of us who were born gay, and it will NEVER impact your life at all, so stop whining about it. You have to let other people live their lives. I don't like the things your cult does, but I'm not going to prevent you from doing it.
@cbeersboy1 by the way, my father (the ordained Evangelical minister) thinks that LDS is a cult. I asked him. Would you like him to tell you why he thinks that Mormons are not valid Christians?
@lisztnut i love how you brought the fact that there a cult in fact i have a five page report on it. i thought you said that your fathers religion brain washed u so why is it a valid opinion and i said that i dont mind legal rights but truthfully why do you need to be married. if its legal go down to the government offices not a church. and about the cult and not valid Christians i want your definition of cult and christian. and one question ave you ever been to a LDS church i highly doubt it.
@cbeersboy1 no, I will never go to an LDS church. I know enough about LDS to know it is something I should avoid. I also recommend this to everyone I know. And, I agree, marriage should be a legal issue, and unrelated to any churches. In fact, I would prefer that churches stop marrying people altogether. This would end the debate about religious freedoms being at risk because of gay marriage. In France, ALL marriages are done at city hall. A church wedding has NO legal recognition.
@cbeersboy1 I think it is time for churches and religious groups to stop controlling marriage. It should be a contract issued by the state, and if a couple wants to have a sky fairy bless their union, that's their business. You could get married by Santa in the North Pole for all I care, but I don't think the government should recognize this superstitious aspect of marriage. MY marriage is a legal contract between myself, my spouse and my government. No god was invited to our wedding.
@cbeersboy1 thanks for admitting your mistake. It's a common error made by many LDS. They want people to think their religious is growing, when in fact it isn't....
@cbeersboy1 are you aware that Athiesm is growing four times faster than any reigion? Watch this youtube video:
Atheist statistics, 2008 In Brazil 500,000 Catholics are leaving their church every year. In Spatin a similar situation is happening. They are turning churches into museums and cafes, because nobody goes to church any more.
@cbeersboy1 I have been legally married in California to my same sex spouse for two years now. If a straight person can tell me how my marriage has impacted their lives in ANY way, I'll gladly walk down to city hall and get a divorce. The point is that my marriage has NO impact on other people, and they just need to get on with their lives and stop trying to make it their issue, when it is frankly none of their business.
@lisztnut i would still like to see your definition cult and christian. personally i just dont like the idea of beliefs being forced on others and i wish that ths debate could be less vicious. and i do believe you would realize that LDS people do not brain wash and it is a very relaxed church theres no pressure or anything the mormon religion is based on free agency the freedom to choose for yourself other wise this life would be pointless.
@cbeersboy1 if LDS give the "freedom" to choose, then how come they force gay people to live a lie? It is not normal, not healthy to pretend that you are a different sexual orientation. It's like asking a black person to pretend they are white, or asking a man to pretend he's a woman. It's WRONG. The LDS cult needs to stop this practice of forcing gay people to marry opposite sex partners. This is why I stand against your cult, and yes, it IS a cult.
@cbeersboy1 why are you so sensitive about being called a cult? I don't understand this. A cult is a group which has broken off from a mainstream religion and set up their own ideology. Often cults exhibit behavior that is not normal for mainstream religions. This includes the obedience to leaders, where people can be punished for disobeying them. It also includes an attitude of "us versus them." LDS typify this behavior, because they tell other religions they cannot marry gay people.
@lisztnut first of all we dont force gays to live a lie if your gay in the church you can leave we don't force people to stay im pretty sure your extent of knowledge in the LDS church is a PBS special. you cant judge something until youve seen it or experienced it. and in that case every other christian denomination is a cult except for the orthodox catholic church.
@cbeersboy1 no, my knowledge of your cult is extensive, and I know LDS cult members personally. My husband's ex-partner was also an LDS cult member who was ex-communicated when he came out of the closet and divorced his "wife."
@cbeersboy1 I see, so you have no problem with a church that marries gay people? Remember, you said that it isn't LDS vs. other churches? Every LDS member I've ever talked to says that they cannot approve of other churches when they marry gay people. Please explain. I think you are being hypocritical now. Are you fine with a Unitarian Church marrying gay couples?
@cbeersboy1 I've heard LDS cult members go as far as saying that other churches are "not of god" when they marry gay couples. If that isn't an "us versus them" mentality, than I don't know what is. It's like saying that other religions aren't valid because they marry gay couples....
@lisztnut well according to bible doctrine its not i never said it was ok but if you ask me i dont judge its gods choice im just not gonna let my church do it because its not what i believe so your husbands husband was LDS you really know a lot about the church i want everything you know about the church written up and ill give you a five page paper why it is a christian church and obviously they arnt christian because i know of no scripture where it approves of gay marraige.
@cbeersboy1 I know of no scripture that condemns homosexuality. I am sending your inbox the reason why I believe this is true. In fact, there is a 90 minute youtube movie called "The Bible Tells Me So." It includes world leading scholars who dispute that the bible condemns homosexuality. Don't forget you don't believe the same bible as most Christians. You have a version called the Book of Mormon, which adds to the Christian bible, therefore your beliefs are different from most Christians
@lisztnut you obviously care if churches dont marry gay couples when you said you dont care about religion then why do you care if i say i dont think its christian. and please tell me where the bible condones homosexuality. and im pretty sure that every religion believes that theres is the only church of god. and really i have no problem with you until you marry in my church.
@cbeersboy1 tell me in the bible where it condemns homosexuality, and I'll show you why you are WRONG to interpret it that way. And, yes, I know a LOT about your cult. Go to this website, if you want to learn more:
@cbeersboy1 so, one question for you: Do you think churches should be allowed to legally marry gay couples? If not, why not? If you truly believe in 'religious freedoms" then you MUST respect the rights of other churches, correct?
@lisztnut um the book of Mormon is a whole separate book. we believe the bible to be the word of god as far as it is translated correctly we also to believe the book of Mormon to be the word of god. and i proved that every other church is a cult besides the catholic orthodox so why do you keep calling them churches. thats an anti LDS website they will say anything to make the LDS church look bad they dont actually know about the church. sry but your info is wrong
@cbeersboy1 and you have misunderstood me. For me, marriage is a LEGAL contract, and is unrelated to religion. We got married in city hall, because we didn't any religious aspect whatsoever. However, I feel that churches and synagogues that want to marry gay couples should be allowed to do so, and if you deny them this right, then you are denying them their religious freedoms, and imposing YOUR beliefs on them. You will always be free to refuse to marry gay couples in LDS cult temples.
@lisztnut um the stuff you sent me is not true i have to say um i go wake boarding all the time hahahahahaha satan controls the water hahahahahaha you do believe thats a small part of D&C that states for a former prophet not go in the water it was moment thing not an ongoing thing. hahaha
@lisztnut the church does not punish people its not there job to punish. you dont obey the leader, and the leaders of the church have one job and that the well being of the church members nor do they force you to believe things your knowledge in the LDS church is limited to what you have heard second hand from others and i dont feel like its me vs other churches or me vs gays.
You moved to Utah and set up a "compound" to escape persecution in the Eastern US. You have "separated" yourselves from general society. If you want to see similar behavior, read up on the "People's Temple" cult. This group moved to South America and eventually committed mass suicide at the request of their leader, Jim Jones.
if gays wanted the legal aspects of marriage they could have had them decades ago through civil unions or as elton john (who is against gay marriage) has, a domestic partnership. you (as a people) want MARRIAGE, not it's legal rights. if I say I want a car that can go 150MPH then reject a ferarri because it is not a porche, the speed capabilities are clearly not what I wanted
@TAPriceCTR no, civil unions don't mean shit, and you know it. The rest of society knows, and that's why you fight against it. And, for your info, I'm already MARRIED in CA, you can keep your civil unions. It is meaningless to me. And, you speak of gay marriage as if it's a 'hypothetical". It has existed for a decade already. And, yes, the word marriage MATTERS. Why should blacks have accepted separate schools, pools, and lunch counters? Separate is NEVER equal.
Prop 8 isn't? Perhaps Jesus and agod shouldn't have put condemnations against it in the Bible then I guess. Your LDS, but you don't believe in the Church? Strange. Any other oddities you'd like to share?
OpinionatedJosh 3 days ago
This video tells the truth brutally. There are a lot of people who appear to be offended by it, it's about time you experienced the feeling of having your rights taken away & not being able to marry the one you love. Prop 8 is a bigoted, racist, evil and WRONG bill that disenfranchised tens of thousands of California couples and their families. For a Church that preaches love & family, prop 8 showed forth just the opposite. Prop 8 is definitely not something Jesus would ever have done.
ZenLDS 3 days ago
Grandfathered? That's nice. If you don't like equal marriage then don't marry someone of the same gender, it's really simple. This is people's lives and civil rights, not some exclusive country club. Thank God for the honorable Vaughn Walker!
Buccaneer1212 1 week ago
Completely untrue. Homosexual couples married before Prop 8 get to keep their marriage license due to the Grandfather clause.
MrFenix174 2 months ago
People keep running to the whole Tax issue. The LDS Church instructed its members on a concern for a legal position that could potentially harm the organization. There are active attempts to sue the LDS Church into officiating gay marriages in areas it is legal. Why should any entity be forced to stand by and have no say when something could potentially harm it? That's stupid.
OpinionatedJosh 2 months ago
@OpinionatedJosh Ok, know it all, lets see some evidence to prove that there are "attempts to sue the LDS Church into officiating gay marriages where it is legal..." I'm LDS and I'm sick and tired of the fear-mongering, mythology that is so rampant in LDS culture about this issue. It's time it stopped.
ZenLDS 3 days ago
@sydkiker - Constitutional right of free speech, fine. But it still has the affect on real people that was portrayed in the video. Also, is the LDS Church a tax-exempt church or is it a political action committee?
tomh2001 2 months ago
We're here to take away the rights you never had?
hawkeyery 3 months ago
@hawkeyery The gay community did have marriage rights for a period of 6 months until a bunch of religious fanatics decided to use the state (using the tyranny of the narrow majority in voting against this right) in order to not allow anymore same sex marriages to occur in California after that. Those same gender loving couples who were married during that 6 month period ARE STILL LEGALLY MARRIED.
ZenLDS 3 days ago
$20m dollars donated by people who ARE Mormon is not the same as $20m dollars donated BY a church. If we measured this way there was probably more money donated by the catholic church.
DRVBJR 3 months ago
@DRVBJR There were cases where Bishops and Stake Presidents used fear tactics (i.e. Church discipline) in order to heavily influence Church members to get out their check books and donate a lot of money toward the campaign in favor of Prop 8. The LDS Church has a lay priesthood and therefore these individuals were donating time and money in their Ecclesiastical positions and not just as members of the Church.
ZenLDS 3 days ago
You see, they should have blitzed California with ads like this, not the namby-pamby ones that they did. The vote was so close; it may have very well been the strong, scare-tactic ads done by the Yes side that got them their victory.
Islander255 5 months ago
@Islander255 Not true, what about the Grandfather clause for Married homosexuals before prop 8?
MrFenix174 2 months ago
I love this ad because it is true.
Pilgrim812 7 months ago 8
What happened to seperation of church and state?
NotSoStraightGirl 7 months ago
I'm all for equal rights but this video is pure propaganda!!! One step forward and two back.
EmPkay 8 months ago
@EmPkay It isn't propaganda. The mormon church did give 22 million to pass proposition 8 just like it says.
CorndogMaker 7 months ago
churches that donate money to political campaigns should pay taxes
503mindst 8 months ago 6
the mormons are right!
spensmaster 8 months ago
@spensmaster Mormons are never right...Ever...In the history of the world...Its just not possible.
DCshirley 5 months ago
@DCshirley I think the saddest thing that I'm learning more than ever is that it's individuals like Mitt Romney who prove the point that too many leaders tell lies in order to get what they want. I've never seen a man who is running for the office of president tell such outrageous lies as that man does. It's an embarrassment for me as a man who tries to follow the Prince of Peace and live His way. The fact that the LDS Church will not admit its mistakes (as we all need to) is not helpful.
ZenLDS 3 days ago
only cults have internet advertisements
mormons and scientology have advertisements
Potatonaught 9 months ago
hang on, good looking lesbians?
GoldenbanjoDJ 10 months ago
how about VOTE NO on LEGAL MARRIAGE EVERYWHERE. Get the government out of marriage and save EQUAL PROTECTION for single people, who disproportionately pay into the "benefits" of marriage given to married folks by the state, at the expense of singles. To hell with state-sponsored marriage.
ycdtotv 11 months ago
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@ycdtotv how about VOTE NO on RELIGIOUS MARRIAGE EVERYWHERE. Get the religion out of marriage and save EQUAL PROTECTION for single people, who disproportionately pay into the "benefits" of marriage given to married folks by the state, at the expense of singles. To hell with religion-sponsored marriage.
idaman12345 9 months ago
Wow I support gay marriage and found this ad horrible.
KDP3200 1 year ago
This was so fucking funny. Both sides are like children bickering with these attack ads.
And stop attacking mormons you fags, they don't even fucking drink.
bjbjbzz 1 year ago
just seen this video; watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE&feature=related Mormons are sick, and children are subjected to this evil rubbish. How on you do you Americans allow this.... come on you are living in the 21st century. America is increasing looking like a backward country....
America has some really crazy and dangerous religions, and you yanks are worried about the Islamic religion - I worry about yourselves first......
sick sick sick......
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK You're just jealous because we won the war of 1812!
And Mormons are not sick, and I think that you would think so too if you knew more about them.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures “You're just jealous because we won the war of 1812”
How random, you Mormon are strange folks! Well I don’t think it really matters to me too much what was the going-ons of 1812, one side of the family was in Normandy at the time and the other being Irish, no doubt they were firmly based near Cork as the rest of the extended family still lives today.
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TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
Respond to this video...hmm
the yanks did win though
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK I would support homosexual marriage. I really would. But(according to our beliefs) such marriage is limited to mortality and is an abomination to God. I know God loves everyone equally,including homosexuals, but I really am not sure what his purpose for them is. Maybe I am wrong and being gay is a choice. I just don't know. I do know that, according to our church, being a homosexual isn't a sin. Only homosexual acts.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK I sent you a message.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures thanks for your very long winded message but 'Fact' the mormons are a cult - and your statement:...
" However, it seems that many of you atheists regard us, the lesser faithful, with contempt, scorn, and condescension. Einstein was a believer in God. He was Jewish."
....is going where? So what if Einstein is Jewish? You mormons are still a cult with a large number of sex-offences and very strange going-ons in your cult! I don't like cult coming to britain!
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK
Your comment does not deserve any reply other than this one-
You obviously did not take my advice.
Goodbye, you sad, foolish little creature.
-Jacob Jared Kenworthy
AKA
Mushroom Pictures
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures
....cont....
Anyway back to freaky Mormons and why you lot are strange and sick, following a twisted religious dogma, which promotes bigotry, believe in special under wear, and believing Jews living in America 3000 years ago with no evidence of such a claim.... yes a very strange lot.
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TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Well, the underwear thing is true. I've worn them myself, actually. They're for symbolism of purity, they're white.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures “Well, the underwear thing is true. I've worn them myself, actually. They're for symbolism of purity, they're white”
Come on now, don’t be shy and tell the audience the ‘real’ magic powers you mormons believe they have, and all the meanings to the symbols – which brings me to the point that isn’t that kind of stepping onto ‘Witchcraft’? Cult?
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK What magic powers do you think we think we have?
Oh by the way, I lived in Oxford for 31/2 years(i'm just saying).
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "Oh by the way, I lived in Oxford for 31/2 years(i'm just saying)."
Mormons – all brunches are in a cult, and the fact you are in the UK is worrying – you might not be a peado yourself but your cult has a history of sex offences and some against children. Really do think UK borders controls should be tighten up on cult followers. We stop Islamic leaders from preaching hate so how on earth did a racist preaching hatred get through?
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK Why don't you go to one of our meetings(respectfully)?We aren't a cult,and our splinter groups give us a bad name to people like you, ready to pounce on anything you can use to tell the world about how evil religion is. How exactly do you stop Muslims from preaching, anyhow?
Please excuse me, but where in England are you?
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
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TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "Muslims from preaching, anyhow?"
Stopping them from getting into the country, the same way to stop sex-offending Mormons from getting in to the country - but obviously the controls are slack again....
Thanks for the invite to your cult but I use logic and reason for my existence not a delusional belief system to justify crimes against humanity and restriction of rights.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK That's discriminatory.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures 'That's discriminatory.'
Which bit? Calling Mormons a cult or stopping hateful preachers and sick sex offenders of cults from getting into Britain?
I say ban all cults in the UK – we don’t have the finance to 'police check' every peado/sex-offender/whacky preacher coming into this country so lets stop their cults for a starter.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK You know, for an atheist, you aren't very logical. Islam has many variations, but the pure strain supports peace entirely. Your beliefs, while less complicated than ours, could be considered very strange. You also seem to have quite a lot of hate yourself, if you hate all those who believe in God(which I am not sure you do), you hate over 6300000000 people. The only people I strongly dislike are a few people in my life, and I hate terrorists and several other worldwide people.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "you aren't very logical. Islam has many variations, but the pure strain supports peace entirely. "
and don't put yourself on the same par as Islam - Islam is a religion, Mormon is a cult. The UK has a policy to stop preachers of 'hate' from gaining access into the UK....
That same effort should also apply to keeping out Mormons too....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK Who made you the authority on what religions are cults?
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
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@MushroomPictures 'Who made you the authority on what religions are cults?'
do called yourself a religion again, your are not! The Mormons are a cult....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK Please stop calling us a cult. You use that word so freely, I am not sure you know what it means. I suppose there isn't a clear cutoff point for cult and religion, but seriously, just tell me what you think it means.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "Please stop calling us a cult."
That is what are you (mormons) and your behaviour in news reports of paedophila and sex offences should be enough to get local authorities attention.... but it’s all down to finance again. By having you lot wandering the streets is like having murders let out of jail as there’s no room to keep them in prisons.... it sickens me to the core!! UK really need to tighten up it's laws on cults and hateful preachers....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
Respond to this video...@TheFireHorseUK The LDS has no history of sex offences that I am aware of, but the FLDS, as I previously mentioned, gives us a bad name. What if it was illegal to not believe in God? How would you feel?
People who break the law go to jail. People who practice their religion are protected by the first amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, and whatever you have over there.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "People who break the law go to jail"
You Mormon are like the Catholics – commit sex-offences and keep it inside your group as long as possible, until like in Ireland you are exposed for what you are. Cults shouldn’t be allowed – religion ok if some deluded halfwit wish to was time on chasing ‘thin air’, but CULTS like the mormons should be banned. No ifs or buts – we have enough trouble keeping on eye an catholics.....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK One of my best friends is Catholic. Can you give me any examples of sex offences within the LDS church? Not the FLDS. And I don't think that over 6300000000 people are deluded half-wits. What sort of society do you want? A place where people can label something a cult and ban it? What would you do to the people who are in the "cult"? Lock them up or kill them if they continue to practice their beliefs? That happened in the Inquisition, as I am sure you are well aware.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures 'What sort of society do you want? A place where people can label something a cult and ban it?'
Yes, and not just ban your cult but ensure you don't have access to the UK without a full check. It's all too easy to blame the polices and custom control offices for allowing sick cult members into the UK after the offence is committed, it's easier to just ban the cult in the first place....
'Lock them up if they continue to practice their beliefs? ' CULT worshipping
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK It is so much easier to argue with someone smarter than you, because while they try to make their case with logical arguments and fact, you repeat the same statements over and over, like what you are doing, until the other person just gives up and goes on with their life, unfazed.
Listen to me. First of all- Is 13 million people(only about 6 million of which are active) a relatively small group? Is that fact alone enough to convince you that we are not a relatively
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MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures just to remind you of the meaning to the word:
cult(cult): a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:’
again you are a cult and again your members have been involved in sex-offences and your cult dogma requires you to do some strange activities - UK needs to stop cults at the borders.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "only about 6 million of which are active"
compared to the total population of the US - still means your group is a cult.
Just out of interest has any UK politicians show support for your cult? in the UK or the US.....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures 'but seriously, just tell me what you think it means.'
"The word 'cult' pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered strange.' and you can't get much stranger than the mormons...!
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK You got that straight off of wikipedia(but I love wikipedia)
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures 'You got that straight off of wikipedia'
Well if you don’t like that one try the Oxford Dictionary:
‘cult(cult): a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:’
Still sums up you whacky mormons, and it’s not a hate thing – it’s about keeping peado, sex-offender cult followers out of the UK. It’s about protecting our populations.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK Relative to what? We have over 13 million members, and only 8 million are active, the others inactive, including my father, 7 of his 8 siblings, his father, my mother's parents and 9 of her 10 siblings. They all used to be very devout. That doesn't sound like excessive control to me. Take it me, if I wanted to leave because I felt that we might be evil or controliing I would. Again, the LDS has no history that I am aware of of sex offences.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "Again, the LDS has no history that I am aware of of sex offences."
You mormon have a record of your cults action in under age sex and other sickening offences - using and changing abbreviations is going to change what your cult is up too or do.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK They split away from us. It is fact, you can look it up.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures - just to remind you of the meaning to the word:
cult(cult): a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:’
Mormon fits that is a nutshell.....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures technicaly the mormons are a cult
every religion is a cult
idaman12345 9 months ago
@MushroomPictures "What magic powers do you think we think we have?"
"mormon garments - For temple-going Mormons, the garment serves much the same purpose as religious clothing throughout history - there have been a large number of reports of the super underwear saving people from ballets and car crashes” – it’s the ‘magic’ underwear your mormons have in your whacky cult....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK You don't wear it outside of the temple, so there isn't really a way it could protect you even if it did have magic powers. A man in our ward got shot in the head a couple of weeks ago, and survived, because the shot went through a door.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
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TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures No cult like Mormons or religious groups should hold a political office or sway over people’s rights, it’s not in your country’s constitution. Besides, to have cults controlling a political office isn’t very progressive, it’s a step backwards. America does claim to be a democracy even though signs of this are few and far between. There are times that the US is on the same par as Russia, really – Just a European prospective.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures
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This inability to think for yourself and following a cult dogma is why you (as in Mormons) should be prevented from holding offices in politics, educations, welfare and health care. No child should be left under care a Mormon, be like leaving a child under care of a catholic priest.... much to the Ireland’s lateness on that one....
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TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
Respond to this video...Did you know that (unfortunately) about half of our members are inactive? I think that demonstrates a pretty good ability to think for ourselves. About the jews in america, evidence isn't the point of religion. Are you an atheist?
Finally, many of the members of my church believe that homosexuality is a choice(i do not). We don't support gay marriage because it is against our beliefs( there are specific ones, but I have to go. Maybe later.). We are not encouraged to hate.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures
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Mormon are morons, and morons (insane) shouldn’t be having says over other people's human rights, in fact I wouldn’t even give the insane the right to vote, but human rights say they are entitled to a vote so can’t argue with that one. But I do think cults should be allowed near to children, that's all religious cults including Mormons - child protection is very lack in America - Jesus Camps, Mormons brainwashing, Catholic Prelists habits with children.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK
We are not morons. One of the brothers in my ward worked at CERN, and many others in the aerospace industry(it's pretty big in the DFW area) We really aren't a cult, but several of our splinter groups would probably fall under that category.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures “We are not encouraged to hate.”
Yes you do, your cult is based on that. Your mormon story of why there are black people is a clear sign of hate, and stupidity. Plus the child abuse that goes on in your closed community, another sign of hate and ‘child grooming’. The denial of people’s human rights is another sign of hate.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
Respond to this video... I have heard the story of where black people came from. It isn't part of our official beliefs, and it came from one leader's(not a prophet) opinion, which many of our ignorant brethren accepted as fact. Did you know that in one of my old wards, one of our brothers was a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Most of our members are in touch with our official doctrine and positions, but he clearly wasn't.
Are you talking about the FLDS here, or the LDS(original church)?
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures "have heard the story of where black people came from. It isn't part of our official beliefs, and it came from one leader's(not a prophet) opinion, which many of our ignorant brethren accepted as fact.
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It's apart of your belief system... be honest, you are not dealing with dumb Americans here.....
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK No, it isn't. Who are you going to believe? If it was part of our belief system, I would be vehemently supporting it as truth.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures
You christians & mormons are making Islam look good.... Think about that!
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
@TheFireHorseUK What problems do you have with Islam? You don't seem to like them either!
I think that Muslims are great, they aren't all jihadists.
MushroomPictures 1 year ago
@MushroomPictures “What problems do you have with Islam? You don't seem to like them either!”
The same problem I have will all religions, restrictive to human progress – Christianity is in sense lightly better than Islam for supporting human rights, but you Mormon are worst than Islam. Mormon are also bit like Scientology, made up religion to control a group into some sick cult going ons, you’re not really a religion, you are a cult.
TheFireHorseUK 1 year ago
I like Daniel Tosh's response Idea. He wanted an ad where the girl from the Mormon's anti-gay marriage commercial runs into a house in Utah and says "mommy why are you only 9 years older that me?" and then 5 different women respond.
MakeItGoSplodey 1 year ago
I seriously don't care what the marriage laws are, but I agree with the point. If there was an ad of two gay guys going into one's work place and demanding acceptance and special treatment, thus running it into the ground. Well that would be worse than Hitler wouldn't it?
UndergroundCar2nist 1 year ago
Im not LDS fan but this video is an nothing but Absurd slander.
redbaron998 1 year ago
@redbaron998 I'm not sure why you'd say this video is slander. It happens to be well established FACT that LDS used their incredible wealth and influence to sway the vote in CA. They called black voters and LIED to them, saying that Obama supported Prop 8, when in fact he didn't. They used lies and deception in their TV ads, as well as created "front" organizations to disguise that they were LDS funded. They have paid a fine in CA for improper election infractions. So, there is NO slander.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@redbaron998 The LDS history of anti-gay marriage activities dates back to the 1990s when they got involved in Hawaii's first attempt to institute gay marriage. Again the LDS created a "front" organization to hide their illegal activity. They could have lost their tax exempt status if it had been investigated properly. Ditto for the Catholic church in Prop 8.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@redbaron998 how so? this may not have physically happened, but by illegally donating to prop h8 they did do this in a sense
idaman12345 1 year ago
It's already happened!!!!!!! In az, Mormon kids get special paid programs from tax dollars so they can catch up on credits try missed by not taking FREE a-hours and having to take seminary. Just because you are mormon doesn't mean you should be allowed to get extra classes for free. Jews should be able to get free hours and go to the synagogue, Catholics to their own church schools and other denominations to study their own. Or no special rights at all.
AlmostGenius94 1 year ago
fact, mormons are a tiny minority in california
fact, the california voters, not hte mormon church passed prop 8
fact, the church supports them having rights, just not that rite.
fact, at the urging of the church Utah passed the strongest antidiscrimination laws in the nation
fact, if they stop demanding the word marriage they would have all rights assiciated with it already
fact, elton john and his domestic partner are against gay marriage.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
@TAPriceCTR I agree I have gay friends who I care about deeply, but I feel that fighting over a title that is not really going to make you equal, fix civil unions while we try to fix marriage both things need a lot of work in today's world
Trumpetnerd34 1 year ago
@Trumpetnerd34 AMEN. in america, divorce is not EXCLUSIVELY "no-fault" unless a prenup changes that. Marriage DEFFINATELY needs restoration.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
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@TAPriceCTR fact. gay marriage affects gay people ONLY
fact. voting on the civil rights of a minority is IMMORAL
fact, the USA is the only nation on earth that has voted on gay marriage. This error is being corrected in court
fact, Mormons are intolerant of other people's lives, and yet they demand that we tolerate their wacky beliefs
facts, Elton John is not against gay marriage. He merely says that the word "marriage" doesn't matter to him as long as the rights are the same.
lisztnut 1 year ago
lol... maybe as a comedy and not "News & Politics"
ToThisEndWasIMormon 1 year ago
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The truth hurts, doesn't it?
GinnyStoleMyMan 1 year ago
This is just plain horrible for one Mormons are not like that they are good hearted people who are helpers in the christian community even though I'm catholic and we have diffrent beliefs we may not be the perfect but we serve the perfect God
magnumhero33 1 year ago
"This is just plain horrible for one Mormons are not like that "
It is a representation of what they did during Prop 8
"they are good hearted people "
Good hearted people don't work to take away civil rights.
"who are helpers in the christian community"
Since Mormons believe all you catholics and prostetants are the "great whore of babylon", I'm not sure they are helping.
" we may not be the perfect but we serve the perfect God"
who allows priests to molest children
cryan71 1 year ago
it doesnt let me send you a message because im not your friend i would like a chance to send you a paper on why mormons are Christians .
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
pretty much every bit of that anti Mormon crap is a lie i know cause im LDS i think i would know this stuff the missionary thing is they dont want them to swim because its a liability issue 50% of the pop doesnt know how to swim they are liable for injury they dont want that to happen haha funny stuff though
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 Just keep laughing, because in my view you are wasting your time in the LDS. I would guess that your parents are LDS and that is how you got involved in it. I was born into Evangelical Christianity the same way, since my father is a minister. Just because my parents are firm believers, doesn't mean I should be forced to believe as well. Religion is a CHOICE, isn't it? Sexual orientation, however, is NOT a choice.
lisztnut 1 year ago
‘A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand’ -Abraham Lincoln
Veritatis101 1 year ago
I fucking LOVE this kind of music.
satandog 1 year ago
How about we vote No on letting the government have any say whatsoever on marriage - and privatize marriage instead? Let's face it, the government cannot legislate on marriage at all according to the 10th Amendment (among other reasons), a fact that should be known to homosexuals and social conservatives alike.
ASonOfLiberty1776 1 year ago
They were too pretty to be lesbians.
Urdarbrunn 1 year ago
This is a bunch of BS! I've met morrmon missonarys, they were very nice people!
MovieMaker1217 1 year ago
Epic Win! Go dikes!
daftskull13 1 year ago
this has got to be the worst acting i've ever seen
thomasadamnelson 1 year ago 2
@lisztnut first of all what is this "front" I Hawaii? And where is your proof of the phone banks. Also the Mormons aren't a cult, they are a religion.
paintballermiller 1 year ago 2
LOL
xXS4ndraXx 1 year ago
It's funny how money put toward Prop 8 campaigns is called "propaganda" when it comes from religious origins, and yet is called "support" when it comes from gay-friendly groups. It's just politics. Yes, it's the church's stance that same-sex marriages disrupt the natural order of families. Last I checked, when a vote is called, and people vote according to what they believe, it's called democracy. Calling the church evil because its members voted and campaigned is ignorant and insipid.
DavidEasthope 1 year ago
@DavidEasthope It's bigotry that's accepted because the bible says it's wrong. That's not a good reason to believe anything. The bible is a work of fiction, just like Harry Potter. Just because it's old doesn't give it any validity.
ninjajesus81 1 year ago
What a LAME video - The people of California have voted. Mormons make up 1.97% of the state.. So you can't blame it all on them.
JComarsh 1 year ago
@JComarsh true that the Mor(m)ons make up a small portion of our state. UNTRUE that we shouldn't blame them for Prop 8. The LDS cult involvement in the anti-gay marriage fight dates back several decades to Hawaii, where they created a fake "front" organization to hide their involvement. The TRUTH is that they LIED about the extend of their involvement, and they did deceitful things in CA. They called black voters and told them that Obama supported Prop 8. This was a LIE. He was AGAINST it.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut: you say that the LDS (RELIGION) is taking away gay couples rights when in fact your taking there right of religion by forcing them to let you go parade around something that is sacred to there religion if you ask me the government should have no right in the business of marriage and where do you get your information from your just as ignorant as an LDS member who blindly follows the LDS church and there are very few ignorant LDS members. go have your domestic partnership not marriage.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 sounds like you've had too much beer. Your post here makes as much sense as drunk person. Yes, the LDS attempted to take away the rights of gays in California (and Maine) to marry. Fortunately, they lost a lot of money for nothing, because prop 8 is invalid. And, I'm already MARRIED legally in CA, why would I want a domestic partnership which offers 1000 FEWER rights? Makes no sense. Gay marriage IS the future. Get used to it, loser.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 and, LDS will always have the right to their 'celestial" marriages. Gay marriage is no threat to them. Marriage is a LEGAL contract. I could care less about any religious meaning. Gays don't need religious marriage, because we already have it! There are more and more churches/synagogues that WILL marry gay couples. Apparently, you're too dumb to know this. The California Council of Churches, the LARGEST body of Christians in our state, SUPPORTS gay marriage!
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I just returned from Sweden on Sunday. In Sweden it is ILLEGAL to preach against homosexuality from the pulpit. It is actually a hate crime. Also, churches are REQUIRED to marry gay couples. Those churches which object to marrying gay couples that have gotten out of the business of marrying ALL couples altogether. That's as it should be. Marriage should be a legal contract between a couple and their government, and nothing more.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut homosexual acts are destructive to any society gay marriage notwithstanding. We must guard against such destruction. Its too bad Sweden has lost its religious freedoms. Sad indeed!
klasdli 1 year ago
@klasdli homosexuality, according to REAL scientists, is NECESSARY for the survival of any species. Don't believe me? Watch this youtube video:
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom (National Geographic) And, stop spouting off reliigously based ignorance. Use your BRAIN... Homosexuality has existed in EVERY culture during ALL time periods, it is no more nor less destructive than is heterosexuality. Dumbass...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut bullshit. you can make many arguments but the claim that homosexuality is biologicaly advantagious is as scientificaly incorrect as claiming that the earth is only 6000 years old. it is on par with broken window falacy.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
@TAPriceCTR I didn't say that homosexuality is biologically advantageous, idiot. I said that homosexuality serves a FUNCTION in nature, otherwise it wouldn't have existed for millenia. Look up this book: Conundrum: The Evolution of Homosexuality by NJ Peters
So, if you think homosexuality is of no use nor advantage, why does it continue to exist in nature in rampant numbers of same sex pairings?
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut
biologicaly advantagious is the driving force of evolution.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
@TAPriceCTR well, if biologically advantageous (learn to spelll, dumbass) is the driving force of evolution, then homosexuality IS advantageous. This is my point, which you aren't bright enough to comprehend. Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom and has been documented in human history as far back as 4500 years ago. There is a REASON for it to exist. It is NOT a fad, NOT chosen, and serves the important function of preventing overpopulation. But, you knew that right?
lisztnut 1 year ago
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oh no. I misspelled!!!! well, spelling oncorectly must prove I am so stupid that I can not even get myself dressed or build a captains bed of my own design or understand how things function.
homosexuality is not even as "rampant" in the animal kingdom as hemaphroditism. rampant means all over the place constantly occuring... but I guess spelling is more important than understanding the meaning of the words you are trying to spell.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
@TAPriceCTR yes, it's important that you are illiterate. It means you've not done much reading nor research. I happen to have done a lot of reading on this topic. And, yes, homosexuality IS rampant in the animal kingdom. This has only been recently studied in depth. In fact, rightwing conservatives have pressured organizations to stop research into homosexual issues involving the animal kingdom. Here is a video which will educate:
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom (National Geographic)
lisztnut 1 year ago
@klasdli and, give up this cult you belong to. It has poisoned your brain. You can no longer think like a real person, but instead spout off verses from your book of Mormon. i feel sorry for you...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut how can you be sure hes so brain washed arnt you? you only believe in forcing them to believe that they are wrong in what they believe. you are so ignorant and so offensive calling his religion a cult how would you feel if i used a homosexually offensive word. the only thing you can say is the words you are fed by your homosexual leaders from your rally's and protests you have no idea about religion i feel sorry for the insulting aggressive life you live.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I don't give a fuck what people believe, as long as they leave those beliefs to themselves. If you want to believe that marriage has a religious connotation, that's your business, but you may NOT impose that belief on my governmental contract. Marriage is a LEGAL contract. And, yes, Mormons are cult members, so what? There are plenty of other cults out there, such as Scientology and the Moonies. I still respect their right to believe in whatever wacky belief system they choose.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 if someone thinks gay marriage is wrong, then they aren't forced to marry someone of the same sex, are they? Freedom means FREEDOM for everyone, not just heterosexuals. And, the time for this debate was like ten years ago before the Netherlands started the gay marriage movement. You are simply TOO late. There are now hundreds of married gay people (including myself) in America. It is TOO LATE to call it domestic partnerships. You have LOST this argument. Get over it, move on...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut why so badly do you want me to stop arguing telling me ive lost means you feel like you dont have enough materiel to debate this besides you dont realize i stated the government should have no place in marriage in my first comment. i have gay friends and i respect there beliefs and they respect mine. and do you realize the size of the LDS religion 13 million members and one of the fastest growing religions hardly a cult.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 actually, this is patently false, and shows that you are being brainwashed. No, the LDS cult is actually at ZERO growth, according to Monson. Look it up...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 and, who the fuck are YOU to tell me that I know nothing about religion? My father is an Evangelical minister, asshole. I was indoctrinated in fundamentalist Christianity, which is why I'm so strongly against it. I was not given a choice in the matter, and I was brainwashed from birth until I escaped it at 18. I had Jesus thrust down my throat, and it will take years of therapy to get all that indoctrination out of my system.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 and, I don't live by the words of any homosexual leaders. I have a BRAIN, and I use it. I don't need others to tell me what to do... And, I stand by what I said earlier, Mormonism is a CULT. It cannot be denied. It is not accepted by the rest of Christianity. Ask any Catholic priest or Protestant minister, and they will agree with me. The Mormons have taken the bible and twisted it around with Masonry and they call it a religion. It is FALSE...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I have read the bible cover to cover. Have you? This is the reason I reject Christianity. I KNOW what the bible says...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut i have and you do realize that the lds religion does not force people to believe what they believe and the LDS religion does not twist the bible. why so badly do you want gays to have the right of marriage if you are so against religion?
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 Marriage isn't about religion. In fact, marriage has nothing to do with it. Gays already have the right to marry in churches, this will not change when it becomes legal in all 50 states. Are you blind to the fact that some Methodists, Congregational, Unitarian, Presbyterian, Evangelical Lutheran, etc, churches already marry gay couples in their sanctuaries? If you are sincere in respecting other religions, than you are imposing YOUR beliefs to forbid gay marriage.
lisztnut 1 year ago
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cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 you have to get it in your brain that gays don't want nor need religious marriage, we want the LEGAL aspect. Therefore, this has nothing to do with your cult or any religion. Religious groups in America are protected and always will be protected from marrying any couple they want. In fact, my father, and Evangelical minister, will not marry couples if one of them was previously divorced. He cannot be sued for refusing to marry them.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 your problem is that you have been taught by your cult leaders that gay marriage will somehow infere with your religion. This is complete and utter NONSENSE. And, I can tell you that the New Jersey case that your cult used in the Prop 8 case was total bullshit. First off, it was a JEWISH lesbian couple who wanted to use a Methodist church's public space. They were NOT asking to me married in a Methodist church, so this case was completely bogus and unrelated to religious freedom.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 so, you just have to get over the fact that gay marriage WILL be the law of the land, and in the not too distant future. If gay marriage violates your personal beliefs, then you are free to marry someone of the opposite sex. Gay marriage affects those of us who were born gay, and it will NEVER impact your life at all, so stop whining about it. You have to let other people live their lives. I don't like the things your cult does, but I'm not going to prevent you from doing it.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 by the way, my father (the ordained Evangelical minister) thinks that LDS is a cult. I asked him. Would you like him to tell you why he thinks that Mormons are not valid Christians?
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut i love how you brought the fact that there a cult in fact i have a five page report on it. i thought you said that your fathers religion brain washed u so why is it a valid opinion and i said that i dont mind legal rights but truthfully why do you need to be married. if its legal go down to the government offices not a church. and about the cult and not valid Christians i want your definition of cult and christian. and one question ave you ever been to a LDS church i highly doubt it.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 no, I will never go to an LDS church. I know enough about LDS to know it is something I should avoid. I also recommend this to everyone I know. And, I agree, marriage should be a legal issue, and unrelated to any churches. In fact, I would prefer that churches stop marrying people altogether. This would end the debate about religious freedoms being at risk because of gay marriage. In France, ALL marriages are done at city hall. A church wedding has NO legal recognition.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I think it is time for churches and religious groups to stop controlling marriage. It should be a contract issued by the state, and if a couple wants to have a sky fairy bless their union, that's their business. You could get married by Santa in the North Pole for all I care, but I don't think the government should recognize this superstitious aspect of marriage. MY marriage is a legal contract between myself, my spouse and my government. No god was invited to our wedding.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut yes i was miss informed about the fastest growing but still 13 million members is correct
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 thanks for admitting your mistake. It's a common error made by many LDS. They want people to think their religious is growing, when in fact it isn't....
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 are you aware that Athiesm is growing four times faster than any reigion? Watch this youtube video:
Atheist statistics, 2008 In Brazil 500,000 Catholics are leaving their church every year. In Spatin a similar situation is happening. They are turning churches into museums and cafes, because nobody goes to church any more.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I have been legally married in California to my same sex spouse for two years now. If a straight person can tell me how my marriage has impacted their lives in ANY way, I'll gladly walk down to city hall and get a divorce. The point is that my marriage has NO impact on other people, and they just need to get on with their lives and stop trying to make it their issue, when it is frankly none of their business.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut i would still like to see your definition cult and christian. personally i just dont like the idea of beliefs being forced on others and i wish that ths debate could be less vicious. and i do believe you would realize that LDS people do not brain wash and it is a very relaxed church theres no pressure or anything the mormon religion is based on free agency the freedom to choose for yourself other wise this life would be pointless.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 if LDS give the "freedom" to choose, then how come they force gay people to live a lie? It is not normal, not healthy to pretend that you are a different sexual orientation. It's like asking a black person to pretend they are white, or asking a man to pretend he's a woman. It's WRONG. The LDS cult needs to stop this practice of forcing gay people to marry opposite sex partners. This is why I stand against your cult, and yes, it IS a cult.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 why are you so sensitive about being called a cult? I don't understand this. A cult is a group which has broken off from a mainstream religion and set up their own ideology. Often cults exhibit behavior that is not normal for mainstream religions. This includes the obedience to leaders, where people can be punished for disobeying them. It also includes an attitude of "us versus them." LDS typify this behavior, because they tell other religions they cannot marry gay people.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut first of all we dont force gays to live a lie if your gay in the church you can leave we don't force people to stay im pretty sure your extent of knowledge in the LDS church is a PBS special. you cant judge something until youve seen it or experienced it. and in that case every other christian denomination is a cult except for the orthodox catholic church.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 no, my knowledge of your cult is extensive, and I know LDS cult members personally. My husband's ex-partner was also an LDS cult member who was ex-communicated when he came out of the closet and divorced his "wife."
lisztnut 1 year ago
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cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I see, so you have no problem with a church that marries gay people? Remember, you said that it isn't LDS vs. other churches? Every LDS member I've ever talked to says that they cannot approve of other churches when they marry gay people. Please explain. I think you are being hypocritical now. Are you fine with a Unitarian Church marrying gay couples?
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I've heard LDS cult members go as far as saying that other churches are "not of god" when they marry gay couples. If that isn't an "us versus them" mentality, than I don't know what is. It's like saying that other religions aren't valid because they marry gay couples....
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut well according to bible doctrine its not i never said it was ok but if you ask me i dont judge its gods choice im just not gonna let my church do it because its not what i believe so your husbands husband was LDS you really know a lot about the church i want everything you know about the church written up and ill give you a five page paper why it is a christian church and obviously they arnt christian because i know of no scripture where it approves of gay marraige.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 I know of no scripture that condemns homosexuality. I am sending your inbox the reason why I believe this is true. In fact, there is a 90 minute youtube movie called "The Bible Tells Me So." It includes world leading scholars who dispute that the bible condemns homosexuality. Don't forget you don't believe the same bible as most Christians. You have a version called the Book of Mormon, which adds to the Christian bible, therefore your beliefs are different from most Christians
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut you obviously care if churches dont marry gay couples when you said you dont care about religion then why do you care if i say i dont think its christian. and please tell me where the bible condones homosexuality. and im pretty sure that every religion believes that theres is the only church of god. and really i have no problem with you until you marry in my church.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 tell me in the bible where it condemns homosexuality, and I'll show you why you are WRONG to interpret it that way. And, yes, I know a LOT about your cult. Go to this website, if you want to learn more:
exmormons org
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 so, one question for you: Do you think churches should be allowed to legally marry gay couples? If not, why not? If you truly believe in 'religious freedoms" then you MUST respect the rights of other churches, correct?
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut um the book of Mormon is a whole separate book. we believe the bible to be the word of god as far as it is translated correctly we also to believe the book of Mormon to be the word of god. and i proved that every other church is a cult besides the catholic orthodox so why do you keep calling them churches. thats an anti LDS website they will say anything to make the LDS church look bad they dont actually know about the church. sry but your info is wrong
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 the exmormon website is made up of people who left LDS, so it is completely valid. They know more about LDS than I do, that's for sure.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@cbeersboy1 and you have misunderstood me. For me, marriage is a LEGAL contract, and is unrelated to religion. We got married in city hall, because we didn't any religious aspect whatsoever. However, I feel that churches and synagogues that want to marry gay couples should be allowed to do so, and if you deny them this right, then you are denying them their religious freedoms, and imposing YOUR beliefs on them. You will always be free to refuse to marry gay couples in LDS cult temples.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut um the stuff you sent me is not true i have to say um i go wake boarding all the time hahahahahaha satan controls the water hahahahahaha you do believe thats a small part of D&C that states for a former prophet not go in the water it was moment thing not an ongoing thing. hahaha
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
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@lisztnut the church does not punish people its not there job to punish. you dont obey the leader, and the leaders of the church have one job and that the well being of the church members nor do they force you to believe things your knowledge in the LDS church is limited to what you have heard second hand from others and i dont feel like its me vs other churches or me vs gays.
cbeersboy1 1 year ago
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@cbeersboy1 other signs that LDS is a cult:
You moved to Utah and set up a "compound" to escape persecution in the Eastern US. You have "separated" yourselves from general society. If you want to see similar behavior, read up on the "People's Temple" cult. This group moved to South America and eventually committed mass suicide at the request of their leader, Jim Jones.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut
if gays wanted the legal aspects of marriage they could have had them decades ago through civil unions or as elton john (who is against gay marriage) has, a domestic partnership. you (as a people) want MARRIAGE, not it's legal rights. if I say I want a car that can go 150MPH then reject a ferarri because it is not a porche, the speed capabilities are clearly not what I wanted
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
@TAPriceCTR no, civil unions don't mean shit, and you know it. The rest of society knows, and that's why you fight against it. And, for your info, I'm already MARRIED in CA, you can keep your civil unions. It is meaningless to me. And, you speak of gay marriage as if it's a 'hypothetical". It has existed for a decade already. And, yes, the word marriage MATTERS. Why should blacks have accepted separate schools, pools, and lunch counters? Separate is NEVER equal.
lisztnut 1 year ago