I wonder what Eric would say if I wrote a song called "All By Myself" and it had the exact same chords/melody as his? HAHAHAHAHA HEY, I'm just BORROWING, ok?
Man, now I need to find this Rachmaninoff concerto and listen from the start and try to reprogram my brain and forget Carmen's deception. :(
But I suppose on the other hand, you could thank Eric for exposing people to Rachmaninoff ? But it's still sad that millions thought Eric had written these beautiful chord progression/melodies. :( Many geniuses were copied in the last 3000 years and their copies got all the credit.
There's influence. Then there's ripoff. Influence means you can tell someone was INTO or liked someone b4 them (or even contemporary to) but ripoff is where you take the EXACT music and call it your own. He knew no one would know but a few classical people. The chords AND melody? That's lame. I thought it was only the segment between verse and chorus. wow. i had no idea he took the verse too.
Carmen wasn't the only one to base a big hit off of a classical melody. Barry Manilow's "Could It Be Magic" was derived from Chopin's "Prelude in C Minor".
Rachmaninoff is my favorite composer and I love and admire BOTH pieces that Eric used of him. However, his use was WAY too excessive in "Never Gonna Fall in love again". The chorus is one thing but then the little interlude sandwiched in between the chorus repeated (1:53) was not redone in any original way and sounded awful.
I DO like Eric Carmen but don't you think it is kinda sad that the only 2 hits people REALLY remember him by were RACHMANINOFF'S melodies and not his own creations?
How can you forget Hungry Eyes?Or Go All The Way with The Raspberries?Or Hey Deanie which he wrote for Shaun Cassidy?Ummm....maybe we should forget that one........
Popular songwriters have been borrowing from classical music for a long time now. It's not stealing. It's an accepted thing. And don't fool yourself, these classical composers all borrowed from each other and from popular and folk music too.
You have no knowledge of the history of music I'm guessing. Many composers borrowed tunes from each other writing vast sets of 'variations' etc. Check out La Folia. More recently thinks such as the 'Amen Break' and sampling have carried on this long tradition.
I was listening to the wonderful Rachmaninoff' Symphony #2 one day and the thought struck me -- where have I heard this tune used in popular music before -- and of course, I thought it had to be from Eric Carmen's songs. Great artists will find inspiration from other great ones. I love them both!
Eric doesn't plan on releasing any more new material as the market in the USA for his kind of music just is not there. His "Winter Dreams" CD which was wonderful may be his last. But we can always hope he'll change his mind. He is so maticulous when preparing for a concert. It drives the other Raspberries a little nuts especially Wally Bryson. Don
I love Eric Carmen and I met him about two years ago. He said that everyone thinks that the part he took from "All By Myself" was the clever and lovely middle piano part. But, of course, they were wrong. Celine Dion's Monster hit was lousy compared to the Eric Carmen # 2 hit with the song. So, Eric settled out of court with the Rach Estate and paid a cash settlement for all other "Swipes". They were thrilled to get the money!
Maybe they were thrilled to get the money, but Eric Carmen was thrilled to steal other's intellectual property and make money from it. He is lucky enough that he could keep some part of all the money he made with that stolen music.
You know, there are a lot of songs that sound strangely familiar to other songs. Not just by Eric Carmen either. When the Beatles came out, my music teacher claimed that several of their tunes were from Beethoven. How many times do you hear a familiar lead-in to a song only to find that it's a song you've never heard before? Eric is classically trained..he loves classical music. I hope he shares even more of that music with the world.
No mini theft since the rachmaninoff estate now has half songwriting credit on All By Myself....Sound the kerching bell due to Celine Dion's MONSTER hit. But interestingly enough Foolin' Myself, Never Gonna Fall In Love Again and My Girl do not have co-songwriter status now!
Nicely done. This is funny, because I did the exact same thing on reel-to-reel tape (!) back when Eric Carmen's self-titled album (which I loved) first came out. But I didn't stop with the two hit singles--I also included two other songs from the album, "My Girl" (the intro and bridge are from another theme from Rachmaninoff''s Second Piano Concerto) and "Last Night" (the bridge is from Chopin's E Major Etude). Hey perryv, how about a follow-up video documenting those two?
At least he did a really good job with it. It does happen a lot, Billy Joel has done Beethoven songs almost note for note. Eric is a great musician, and most people in the 70s and 80s who listened to his music never heard of Rachmaninoff, so now they are better rounded for it.
I wish there were more examples of songwriter's "mini-thefts" on youtube.
I almost jumped out of my seat in the movie EVITA when the intro to "Another Suitcase" was a rip from, none other than the LEMON PIPERS, "Green Tambourine" !!! Holy LLOYD Webber! (Tambourine preceeded Suitcase)
Apparently popular artists these days call it "remixes" when they are "inspired" by other works. Although, I do recall a certain "Changes" by Tupac.
I'm just glad there are people on YouTube who bother to make this known to others. As a composer myself, I believe that copying and pasting another composer's work does not improve one's own craft as a composer. Now, "variations on a theme of" is different.
I think I first became aware of this practice when I was in high school and heard Robbie Dupree's "Steal Away" and thought, for sure, he had copied one of my favorite songs from only about a year earlier: the Doobie Brother's "What a Fool Believes."
wow
sophiaspapi2003 1 month ago
Dear Perryv. Great work...but...and "Foolin' myself"? Thank you.
veavich 1 month ago
bellissimo!!!!
dada77ism 1 month ago
I wonder what Eric would say if I wrote a song called "All By Myself" and it had the exact same chords/melody as his? HAHAHAHAHA HEY, I'm just BORROWING, ok?
Man, now I need to find this Rachmaninoff concerto and listen from the start and try to reprogram my brain and forget Carmen's deception. :(
TruthSurge 3 months ago
But I suppose on the other hand, you could thank Eric for exposing people to Rachmaninoff ? But it's still sad that millions thought Eric had written these beautiful chord progression/melodies. :( Many geniuses were copied in the last 3000 years and their copies got all the credit.
TruthSurge 3 months ago
There's influence. Then there's ripoff. Influence means you can tell someone was INTO or liked someone b4 them (or even contemporary to) but ripoff is where you take the EXACT music and call it your own. He knew no one would know but a few classical people. The chords AND melody? That's lame. I thought it was only the segment between verse and chorus. wow. i had no idea he took the verse too.
TruthSurge 3 months ago
Carmen wasn't the only one to base a big hit off of a classical melody. Barry Manilow's "Could It Be Magic" was derived from Chopin's "Prelude in C Minor".
RJSchex 6 months ago
shit
Astropagesfan 6 months ago
ugh, Rachmaninoff never needed words for his music.... my ears are bleeding, but its not like when I had a seizure from classical disco music
MrGoodClass 7 months ago
ok i first read "eric cartman" and was confused
alexgrinkov 9 months ago
This isn't being inspired by Rachmaninoff It's stealing from Rachmaninoff!
superspuds 9 months ago 9
Eric was sued by the Rachmanioff estate, so they were paid handsomely for this.
BaronM 10 months ago
Rachmaninoff is my favorite composer and I love and admire BOTH pieces that Eric used of him. However, his use was WAY too excessive in "Never Gonna Fall in love again". The chorus is one thing but then the little interlude sandwiched in between the chorus repeated (1:53) was not redone in any original way and sounded awful.
I DO like Eric Carmen but don't you think it is kinda sad that the only 2 hits people REALLY remember him by were RACHMANINOFF'S melodies and not his own creations?
rachmaniralf 1 year ago
@rachmaniralf
How can you forget Hungry Eyes?Or Go All The Way with The Raspberries?Or Hey Deanie which he wrote for Shaun Cassidy?Ummm....maybe we should forget that one........
Foop333 10 months ago
i see it as a tribute from erick to rach !!!
tikizzia1981 1 year ago
Well, Eric Carmen had (has) good taste. I was Rach in my previous experience.☼
racingracing 1 year ago
I used to think 'Never Gonna Fall In Love Again' was sung by Paul McCartney.
MindBat 1 year ago
If Eric Carmen is guilty - You gotta burn Barry Manilow, Billy Joel, and please, Andrew Lloyd Webber too!!
LoverSniper 1 year ago
Popular songwriters have been borrowing from classical music for a long time now. It's not stealing. It's an accepted thing. And don't fool yourself, these classical composers all borrowed from each other and from popular and folk music too.
SeeDeeMoe 1 year ago
Good job!
RioPugliese 1 year ago
Yeah, and Rachmaninov ripped both tunes from Igor Stravinsky.
Your point?
MegaGobbler 2 years ago
Interesting. Did not know this. And now that I do, I still don't care.
auctionguyinmo 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
a stinky hamburger out of haute cuisine dish.
fuсk you Eric Carmen.
VlamisRU 2 years ago
so now it's called "inspired"?!
usually it is called plagiarism of copyright.
VlamisRU 2 years ago
You are right
stedama 2 years ago
@VlamisRU
You have no knowledge of the history of music I'm guessing. Many composers borrowed tunes from each other writing vast sets of 'variations' etc. Check out La Folia. More recently thinks such as the 'Amen Break' and sampling have carried on this long tradition.
ethositachi 1 year ago
I was listening to the wonderful Rachmaninoff' Symphony #2 one day and the thought struck me -- where have I heard this tune used in popular music before -- and of course, I thought it had to be from Eric Carmen's songs. Great artists will find inspiration from other great ones. I love them both!
marcostar57 2 years ago
Eric doesn't plan on releasing any more new material as the market in the USA for his kind of music just is not there. His "Winter Dreams" CD which was wonderful may be his last. But we can always hope he'll change his mind. He is so maticulous when preparing for a concert. It drives the other Raspberries a little nuts especially Wally Bryson. Don
djbargr 2 years ago
I love Eric Carmen and I met him about two years ago. He said that everyone thinks that the part he took from "All By Myself" was the clever and lovely middle piano part. But, of course, they were wrong. Celine Dion's Monster hit was lousy compared to the Eric Carmen # 2 hit with the song. So, Eric settled out of court with the Rach Estate and paid a cash settlement for all other "Swipes". They were thrilled to get the money!
djbargr 2 years ago
Maybe they were thrilled to get the money, but Eric Carmen was thrilled to steal other's intellectual property and make money from it. He is lucky enough that he could keep some part of all the money he made with that stolen music.
cives 2 years ago
You know, there are a lot of songs that sound strangely familiar to other songs. Not just by Eric Carmen either. When the Beatles came out, my music teacher claimed that several of their tunes were from Beethoven. How many times do you hear a familiar lead-in to a song only to find that it's a song you've never heard before? Eric is classically trained..he loves classical music. I hope he shares even more of that music with the world.
djbargr 2 years ago
Dear friend,
I suggest you to review once again the video. This is not simply "sound strangely familiar"... as you say.
I call that "filthy copy".
It is obvious!
cives 2 years ago
No mini theft since the rachmaninoff estate now has half songwriting credit on All By Myself....Sound the kerching bell due to Celine Dion's MONSTER hit. But interestingly enough Foolin' Myself, Never Gonna Fall In Love Again and My Girl do not have co-songwriter status now!
jfglistens 2 years ago
good work.
moisesplaton 2 years ago
Nicely done. This is funny, because I did the exact same thing on reel-to-reel tape (!) back when Eric Carmen's self-titled album (which I loved) first came out. But I didn't stop with the two hit singles--I also included two other songs from the album, "My Girl" (the intro and bridge are from another theme from Rachmaninoff''s Second Piano Concerto) and "Last Night" (the bridge is from Chopin's E Major Etude). Hey perryv, how about a follow-up video documenting those two?
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kinggama07 2 years ago
At least he did a really good job with it. It does happen a lot, Billy Joel has done Beethoven songs almost note for note. Eric is a great musician, and most people in the 70s and 80s who listened to his music never heard of Rachmaninoff, so now they are better rounded for it.
Tburbo 2 years ago 2
@Tburbo Of course it was a good job... by Rachmaninov. Carmen only had to copy it...
cives 8 months ago
Nice to know............thank you.
nancyfloressantos 2 years ago
very nice stuff . well done
gipskull 2 years ago
Often contemporary artists reveal how musicians of the past have profoundly influenced modern day compositions.
dantzmusic 3 years ago
anybody got a vid of eric singing * foolin myself * rach is in there too.. i love rach. also a song called * sleep with me *
wangio 3 years ago
"Sleep with me" is a wonderful song.
djbargr 2 years ago
Great Parallel Studies On Two Musical Pieces! Bravo!
Japanese1970 3 years ago 10
This is cool stuff!
I wish there were more examples of songwriter's "mini-thefts" on youtube.
I almost jumped out of my seat in the movie EVITA when the intro to "Another Suitcase" was a rip from, none other than the LEMON PIPERS, "Green Tambourine" !!! Holy LLOYD Webber! (Tambourine preceeded Suitcase)
powerpk8 3 years ago
hell,,EVERYONE who creates music takes from others.that is what humans do.find me a deaf person who has never heard sound and let him compose music.
44sd44 3 years ago
Dude made about $6Million for the Rachmaninoff estate
jfglistens1959 3 years ago 2
at least Hungry Eyes and Make Me Lose Control are not based on rachmaninoff...(I think)
corrupt200 3 years ago
Hungry Eyes was written and recorded by the Franke in Franke and the Knockouts.
hklinker 2 years ago
that explains it...who wrote "Make Me Lose Control"?
corrupt200 2 years ago
That's some easy sampling..
mcblommestijn 3 years ago
Ah, "inspired" is a bit too kind.
Basically he did what all the rap acts do now: take something that is proven to be popular, throw your own lyrics on top and call it yours.
CarMoves 3 years ago
Apparently popular artists these days call it "remixes" when they are "inspired" by other works. Although, I do recall a certain "Changes" by Tupac.
I'm just glad there are people on YouTube who bother to make this known to others. As a composer myself, I believe that copying and pasting another composer's work does not improve one's own craft as a composer. Now, "variations on a theme of" is different.
tonsingemabaise 3 years ago
I think I first became aware of this practice when I was in high school and heard Robbie Dupree's "Steal Away" and thought, for sure, he had copied one of my favorite songs from only about a year earlier: the Doobie Brother's "What a Fool Believes."
RememberingLucy 3 years ago
"Inspired" is not quite right. Directly taken is more accurate.
Eric Carmen thought it was public domain at the time he decided to "write" the melodies.
dcbounce 4 years ago
agree
VlamisRU 2 years ago