Why Men Earn More 2 - The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap

[afromasterchief]

that blonde is so full of shit

[georgelopezblows]

That blond lady in the front row seems very indecisive about these questions. Watch her at 3:35 when Dr. Farrel asks if anyone works the worst shifts. She looks to see if any men are standing, and then decides to stand up long after the question was asked. It's as if she is basing her decision to stand based on whether the men stand or not. I have never met this woman and I can already tell that she probably does not agree with Dr. Farrel and was purposely trying to skew the results in her favor

[thenfm]

sorry you can't count the women lying: MANHOOD101. COM

[Ataensic]

Why can't they just raise their hands? Gah!

Men earn more because they're expected to take care of their wives and children in this society. Der...

A wage gap is meaningless without considering every factor/relationship. If a man earns a dollar to a woman's 75 cents, but has to give 75 cents to his wife when he gets home, that's not exactly equal!

[sicilied]

what ppl want......lets keep score.......rushing the russian lol if ur like me ;-) this causes problems with no sugar in the cup show us why jack asses take so long.

[willanynamework3]

they should try this experiment on a larger group of more middle-aged people to get more accurate results. it would be interesting.

[CelticAngloPress]

"And moving up to about 45% of the women".

And I noticed the lady at the very front right near the passage way looking back at all the men standing up and then she finally stood up.

It seems like they after so many examples felt the need to lie and match the men.....seemed so anyways....insteading of getting up right away they kinda gradually got up.

[CelticAngloPress]

@CelticAngloPress

Then again at 3:30 she looks back, sees how many men stood up on that issue, none standup and then proceeds to stand up herself.....it almost looks like blatantly dishonest point scoring.

Appalling and immature for her age.

[jtimleck]

Farrell says "I looked right past you..." to the women standing RIGHT in front of him in his "survey". Do we really need to discuss the validity of his "theories" any more here?

[excellentjobsir]

@jtimleck Maybe you should get a job critiquing youtube videos and make 33% less than I would.

Get it?

The comments you post make you seem kind of bitchy, so I'll make sure you understand that I'm joking with this, although I'd imagine the humor of it is lost on you.

[BootsMegamix]

80% of men would reinvest lottery winnings into furthering their career and only 15% of women would.

Pay gap mystery solved gentlemen

[billhicks8]

The stand up/sit down questions employed here are a highly dubious way to gather information. Not only do we not know the amount of men on one side and women on the other, the individuals will be clearly psychologically influenced by the amount of people who stand up around them.

It is dishonest and highly inaccurate to come to any reliable observations or conclusions this way.

[Gendo3s2k]

@billhicks8 yea...except that's not how he came to his conclusion, this is only an example of the work he's done over a significantly larger sample

[billhicks8]

@Gendo3s2k

...aand that's not what I'm inferring. I'm saying why do it? ever? Not such a great way to start a presentation ABOUT his 'significantly larger sample' areas.

[embracingreality]

I would bet a lot of the women who stood up were lying in an attempt to manipulate their numbers to appear "fair".

[batfly]

I think by the third question where he asks you to stand up... I would have raised my middle finger and walked out.

[pat4az2010]

You do know that the CATO Institute is funded by big Corporations. And he uses the same logic that my former COBOL teacher made. We had 25 men and 4 women. Our first test, 5 men got A's, 7 got B's, 2 got D's, and the rest got C's. All 4 women got A's. Therefore, because more men than women got A's, men were smarter than women. I've had so much fun with men who use this kind of flawed logic. CATO is a joke designed to control your thinking. Don't believe me and be a sheeple. Look it up.

[tupperwararty]

@pat4az2010 If what you say is true, then exactly the same can be said of any number of statistics produced by findings sponsored by feminist organisations. Flawed findings cut both ways. Bear this in mind next time you have your "fun with men".

[BRYAN351]

@pat4az2010, in your class, women got more A's, statistically, than men. 20% of the men got A's, but 100% of the women got A's. So, in that small population, the women are smarter.

The author uses the entire workforce in America as his test population, to come up with his conclusions. So, how is his logic flawed?

[mindprism]

@pat4az2010 {I've had so much fun with men who use this kind of flawed logic}

Yea, so this smart guy is going to use logic so flawed that a 6th grader can see through it. He is going to put that methodology in a book for all the world to see. Get real.

What you are seeing here is demonstrative, he is using percentages of the men and women, so what is the problem?

[vaccarovj]

What's hazardous according to a woman, they might break a nail? "I work as a secretary and each keystroke is a chance at chipping a nail, oh the sacrifices I make"

[smedheat]

men hate their well-paying jobs

[NoJamOnYourBread]

lol @ the woman in the front. What a fucking bimbo.

[silents08]

women shouldn't work anyway, it's to make the male feel iferior especialy in the black comunity

[badapple1213]

Stupid... women are more likely than men to be optimistic about their current situation/life. Beside the fact that most anyone who attends the cato conference is probably going to hold the same beliefs as the man behind the podium

[cordedpoodle]

@badapple1213 Most of the women here probably work harder than women you'd find in a more liberal group, so the disparity would probably be larger.

[Razlo5000]

@badapple1213

What a fantastic opportunity the internet is providing then, buy allowing you and others to hear some very intelligent points relevant to the gender war which would otherwise be censored and forbidden in feminist dominated media.

[enyawix]

The blonde may that much. No one gives women or minorities any credit for being willing to work hard.

[WhoCaresFU]

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[davidselliott]

Men have bigger brains. It's that easy.

[pinochet222]

Warren Farrell is a really smart guy.

[napyuu]

Me and my brother work as management in a CVS pharmacy. We get payed more than most of the females in the area with the same position. Want to know why?

Because we work all the night shifts, for more than 60 hours a week.

We get payed more than our female co-workers because we WORK HARDER.

Feminists always overlook that someone can get payed more than another in the same field if they work harder at it than the others.

go figure.

[salamirterra]

And the point is that you're NOT paid more. You amass more money, but for more work.

When feminists measure pay they declare "total money" to be "pay". Actually pay is your HOURLY wage; the amount of money you get for time spent doing a useful task.

And when you use this, the actual definition of pay, then the differences vanish. Or as Warren Farrel has shown; goes the opposite way.

[JonathanBloggs]

Haha, poor old guys at the back with arthritic knees had to keep standing up

[AlanCSSNub]

Fucking blond lady in the front always standing up..

[napyuu]

I know, that blonde lady is so full of shit,

I think she is just lying because she wants to feel important

[obsday]

Ha! "Here's what I consider to be hard work. Stand up if I think you work hard. OK, we have 80% of the men, and one woman". That's great statistical analysis.

[nitzwalsh86]

No, they said less fulfilling than you would choose to work in if you had won the lottery. If you deal poker and earn 40K a year but you'd be an environmental activist at 9K if you felt you could, that counts, for example.

[ArgusEyes]

I will look into it in more depth. Come summer.. I am less apathetic and more productive and can make more asthetically pleasing videos. I will try to address the issue myself then.

[TheGoddessNetworks]

Exactly, it is NOT about a profession one chooses because it is Hazardous or they cant mentally "check out" Ask any Mom if she can mentaly "check out"..lol

The wage Gap IS about women doing the SAME jobs, with the same qualifications and STILL getting paid less than men. I find it intersting how these topics always seem to go AROUND the BASIC TRUTH.

[SilentToe]

When a women does the same work, with the same qualifikations and works the same shifts or hours like her male counterpart. when she gets less in that case, i agree and it has to be changed. but only then. And mos can check out. mine could do it, so i think others can too. it gets difficult if you have a child and a job.

[mindprism]

@SilentToe {works the same shifts or hours like her male counterpart. when she gets less in that case, i agree and it has to be changed}

Men get paid more for same work simply because they can hold out for the pay since they are WILLING to take more anti-perks and get more pay from another competing job.

If you pay them the same, then that only drives men into these other jobs. That means more stratification, and men might even end up getting paid MORE and the peons left behind LESS.

[lockdown260]

But most women who make the same career choices as men do get paid equally.

[napyuu]

No, they aren't talking about that, they are talking about why on a basic level men usually earn more money than women. This is a true pay gap that many people believe is discrimination.

Ask any father if he loves his job.

the answer is always no, but he is willing to do it because it makes good money. Women generally tend to lean towards jobs that they feel happy with, men tend to do jobs that take much sacrifice. These kind of jobs generally pay more.

[praeposterus]

Okay cite your sources, you made your point but do u have specific detailed evidence to back it up

[neoritter]

@praeposterus His book probably has the sources... I mean the speech is on his book. So, ya know... you could not be lazy and go pick that up.

[mindprism]

@TheGoddessNetworks {The wage Gap IS about women doing the SAME job}

Pay is not about the value of the work, it is about the value of your time TO YOU. When women choose not to consider jobs with these types of demands, they box themselves in -- no one is doing it to them. When your boxed in by your own decisions, your willing to accept less pay.

Do you not grasp that?

[oekedulleke]

certainly in my country and, I'm very confident, in most of the western world, the type of discrimination you point to is absolutely illegal. Gender is simply not a factor in wage calculations.

[mindprism]

@ffliz217 {the wage gap is about women doing the same jobs, with the same qualifications and still getting payed less than men}

Real basic. If men are more willing to take one of these bad-parts of a competing job than the one they have (for more money even), then men have more ability to demand more, and the inverse is true-- if women shy away from jobs with shit in them, they are more accepting of what they have been given.

In short, only YOU decide what your worth is, or can be, not the job

[ffliz217]

@mindprism your opinion is your own and i can see where you're coming from, but i don't believe that anybody is 100 percent in control of how they are valued by others. We are, as people living in a society, subject to the attitudes and opinions of everybody directly and indirectly involved in our lives. It's part of being human. Given our history it would be irresponsible to say, in the short amount of time women have had legal equality, that there aren't lingering consequences of inequality.

[mindprism]

@ffliz217 {lingering consequences of inequality.}

Using a restricted 'mans world' type of inequality, I agree. On the other hand I think it is painfully obvious that women constitute an overall privileged class in society -- especially now, and always have held that position despite various 'oppressions'.

There will be a huge backlash in the near future for all of this, and its sad.

[jdthecrazy]

@ffliz217 You really need to make sure that you watch the rest of this.

[panathinakosbear]

@ffliz217 Having the same job title does not mean doing the same work. Men usually haggle for higher pay, work longer hours, work harder (promotions and commission), don't have maternity leave, more competitive, etc. etc.

To say there would be a pay gap for people of equal value would imply there's a global conspiracy to not cut wage costs by about 25% just because everyone feels insecure. It's a ridiculous notion.

[jtimleck]

@ffliz217 and also it's NOT about "choice" - Women excel FAR better than men in mathematics early on - then they are systematically excluded into higher education - do think women "choose" to be called "that aggressive bitch at my job"? do women "choose" to not become CEOs? engineers? software analysts? what a load of crap and the usual "CATO Special" of "Blame the Victim" - but thanks, I'll use it in my class to show the absurdity of the other side of the argument and let others decide.

[theurbansurvivalist1]

@jtimleck #1"Women excel far better than men in mathematics early on..." On what are you basing this assertion? "...then they are systematically excluded into higher education." I assume that you mean that women are excluded from mathematics at the university level. Again, on what are you basing your claim? I graduated from a top 20 undergraduate mathematics program and was accepted to another top 20 graduate mathematics program. There weren't many women in my undergraduate mathematics courses.

[theurbansurvivalist1]

@jtimleck #2 There are only two in my graduate program. However, no one was ever excluded from registering for anything. Registration was always first come, first serve. Women just don't have much of an interest in pure mathematics.

I'm curious to see proof of your claims and evidence of exclusion. 

[santraso]

There are so many feminist males in this country. Did he mention anywhere where did he pick up the sample population?

[Parley454]

I'm emailing this to my Feminist professor who complains about having to be to work by 10am

[ArgusEyes]

Please do.

[loqutor]

Haha! I had a teacher who was just like that!

[Captainjack463]

@Parley454 Did she say anything

[jtimleck]

@Parley454 wow Parley - you're a thankless one - Can you please post the actual comment your feminist prof said? And I don't suppose any (and I'm assuming you're using "feminist" as short hand for "woman" ) male prof has ever complained about teaching the time of day etc. Did they (she) ever explain to you that perhaps she doesn't like teaching then because she had to pick up a FOURTH class in the evening to make up for the pay her male counterparts get for only teaching three courses? douchebag

[Parley454]

@jtimleck She doesn't pick up a fourth class in the evening. But I guess you are an expert on my school, so you can just invent some more lame cliche stereotypical "I'm Oppressed" scenarios.

[pinegrove33]

When he said move to the other side of the room...I would have shut down. I'm exposed to presenters like that all the time and it's G As H. I once told a guy "I could do your presentation but you'd have to pay me." At any rate, I like the term "exposure profession." Most descriptive. I psychologically check out anyway, lol. Very creative questions indeed.

[Andybaby]

G As H?

[UndeadLight]

Simon says stand up.