Trudeau's White Paper

[Freethinker12341]

Peter Kent at the beginning! haha the piece of shit

[ocdave99]

Joe Clark used to be likeable. I guess his humbling defeat in late `79 and then in `83 may have changed him?

[CJDiggs]

Was the house always this civil back then? Just about anytime I've tuned in in the last 15 years it seems a ridiculous joke of fist banging, raised voices and general disrespect with parties of ELECTED officials working against each other rather than with each other to come to reasonable agreements that benefit as many of their salary paying constituents as is possible. I'm tired of seeing politicians working for their party leaders instead of their constituents.

[MrSultur]

@CJDiggs for the longest time, ministers would talk before question period, everyone knew generally what everyone wanted and what everyone was going to say and how to respond. unfortunately at some point they got lazy and now they don't. Also, fuddle duddle, some would argue it wasn't even civil back then.

[gavrilo2007]

Peter Kent is truly a massive douche.

[TheMugumbomcgee]

MMM....sexy stuff

[tothatextent]

What makes me laugh is how people speak of democracy as if it is something of virtue. If people only knew why democracy came about, they would be shocked. Democracy is one of the most inefficient and banal forms of government. What is needed in Canada is a Republic.

[crazyforcanada]

5- Visit HABEAS CORPUS CANADA in Facebook, and get the info. We are being annexed NOW to the USA and Mexico in fulfilment of the WWII plans for world government.

[FikiNom]

It was a ridiculous document! Makes me look at him in a different light!

[troymdoyle]

Hey Avro Lancaster: If the stats keep going on public opinion the way they were reported on CBC'c The National this evening I won't have to live with it as you put it too much longer! Then we can take our collective $2.50 per year and do something more pragmatic and constructive with it- like maintain roads, improve schools or health care.. take your pick - but you know, anything to improve quality of life for more people in this country and not a select privileged few in another.

[shaner1902002]

Trudeau wasn't Republican. If you read his memoirs you will see that he thinks the monarchy is actually a good thing, and I don't think anyone can deny that is is a excellent institution that has served our country well. Making Canada a republic would be a terrible mistake.

[AvroLancaster]

No kidding, eh?

Trudeau's dream was for a stronger confederation, and I'd love to see that dream come true.

I want the senate gone, they are leeches.

Keep the Queen, she does more for us than they ever have

[troymdoyle]

you're nuts too - want a queen? go back to Britain.

[AvroLancaster]

I've never been to Britain, and I don't have a drop of British blood in my veins.

The Monarchy only costs you about $2.50 per year. Live with it, it's part of Canada's history and identity.

[troymdoyle]

Hey AvroLancaster;

If you take what CBC's The National is reporting at face value tonight, I won't have worry about "living with it" too much longer! Then we can take our collective $2.50 per year (if accurate) and put it into improving the quality of life for more by improving transit, roads, schools or health care, in this country. Or aid to disadvantaged countries, rather spending on a privileged few in a developed country that are running on the coattails of history.

[msynman]

@AvroLancaster Is the main problem with the Senate that they are appointed?

Here in Australia our political system is very similar to Canada's except that senators are elected.

[AvroLancaster]

@msynman Well, I don't know what the main problem is, but being appointed is certainly a problem.

They don't do anything in Canada, they only have the power to delay legislature. There's often scandals, such as the senator who spends every day in Mexico and still "sits" in the senate somehow, and since the early 1900's many of them just show up on the senate opening and closing days to collect their salary for the year.

The worst part is they have to dissolve themselves constitutionally. :(

[thedude3092]

Absolutely. Of course, alot of people will mistake what you mean when you use "republican"

[troymdoyle]

you're nuts!

[teejayandrade]

well said.

[msynman]

@shaner1902002 Is the republican movement big in Canada?

We had the referendum on becoming a republic here in Australia in 1999 and the majority of us rejected it, but it's still a fairly big issue.

[shaner1902002]

@msynman the republican movement in canada is practically non-existant. A past PM, Jean Chretien said "on a list of 100 things in Canada that need fixing, the monarchy is 101". In the province of Quebec the movement is strongest (for obvious reasons) but even then it isn't overly strong.

There really isnt an appetite at all to abolish the monarchy and those politicians which advocate it are usually considered extreme.

[msynman]

@shaner1902002 VERY different to down under!

Of our two main parties it's pretty much Labor policy and a good number of Liberal (which despite the name is actually our main right-of-center party) politicians are republicans.

There are actually quite a few people here who think that you guys are a republic, probably because you removed the Union Jack from the flag.

[BayviewFinch]

@msynman - Pierre Trudeau helped Canada enormously in gaining its birthright of sovereignty. As he was French-Canadian (like Chretien), he could not go to the length of abolishing the British monarchy, as it would be seen as a French vs. English thing. It will take a PM from English Canada to do the job which the majority of Canadians eventually want done. It will be an event that will help heal the nation, an amazing gesture to the millions of Canadians who are not of British ancestry.

[CJDiggs]

@BayviewFinch I haven't seen anything anywhere where the majority of Canadians wish to abolish the monarchy. If you could provide some reliable sources I'd be interested in reading about this.

[BayviewFinch]

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[BayviewFinch]

@shaner1902002 - I can easily deny so. One day we will decide that the monarchy will need to be discarded, like old food in one's pantry.

[shaner1902002]

@BayviewFinch I suppose you can deny, but your reasons won't be logical. You may dislike the monarchy, but nevertheless, it is an institution which keeps Canadian democracy strong. Ask yourself how abolishing the monarchy strengthens Canadian democracy. Actually do it. Chances are your answer is driven by emotion and partisanship and fails to look at the evolution of Canada's constitutional history. Generally speaking, republicans lack the ability to look at things objectively.

[BayviewFinch]

@shaner1902002 - The monarchy is a relic of a very un-democratic time. Democracy is government run by the people for the people, whereas monarchs often put themselves in power to rule over everyone else, then when they died, their offspring took power. To break the cycle would require some type of violent event, putting another family in power. I already stated that abolishing the monarchy would be a wonderful gesture to the millions of Canadians not of British ancestry, bringing us together.

[kingsammythecat]

@shaner1902002 The monarchy is a terrible mistake, for economic, social, political and administative reasons. Not to mention that it is a backwards and undemocratic institution that reminds us of an older and authoratarian society which canada hasn't had and should not have anything to do with. We aren't English, we are Canadians! So why is our supreme leader a foreigner with no real executive or legislative power with in the Canadian dominion? Colonialism has collapsed! Long live Canada!

[Propagandhi900]

@shaner1902002 Do explain what the monarch does for us? Why should we have anything to do with aristocrats who are born into wealth and power?

It's absolutely ridiculous.

[celloswiss]

@shaner1902002 I completely agree. I prefer a constitutional monarchy to a republic. Canada is doing very well being a constitutional monarchy. And that's the way it should remain.

[mikeclashed]

Great clip. Keep em' coming.