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  • The lulz have officially died.

  • 8========D (oO o) <--anon

    nom nom nom, anon loves the peepee.

    hating on Scientology was moralfaggotry in the first place, no lawls are had.

  • Bricks have been shat.

  • yo should change the title to "THE TRUTH" .. seriously

  • ZOMG! Are you Stephen Cawkings?!

    -MIND BLOWN-

  • rarely do one of these videos speak truth.

  • @pyramidheadkitten9 And even more rarely does anyone give a shit about "anonymous" or what they do besides Scientology.

  • Protests should be fun. they are. but it is our knolege of the stuff like disconection and lisa mcpherson that pisses them off so epicly, they know it is a serios thing we use to obtain our lulz. That is why the partying is so effective. because we have truth to back it up, but still, we lul.

  • DESU.

  • Really cool background vid with the DNA sequencing.

    But I have to disagree with your statement that we should refrain from illegal activity. After all, it's the illegal stuff that gets the media's attention and provides for even more lulz.

  • n1. Keep it up. Spread the word. Anonymous should never become SERIOUS FUCKING BUSSINESS!!!1!!11!1one

  • I agree with kreeperrock, but this video speaks that truth. Yes, DDoS Scientology, but for fuck sakes, do it for the lulz! Don't protest, have fun: do it for the lulz!

  • well to be fair protests can be fun depends who u do it with and there is caek which always makes things more enjoyable

  • THIS

  • they do they will not take down scientology on their own but they do drain their resources, protests stop new revenue thus combining the 2 methods will destroy it, when a business is no longer profitable it dies. The attack on their website cost them a fortune whilst it was only a small dent in their bankaccount it was a dent that if used continually they will fall. And as protest fags are doing a good job stopping further clients they can only hold on so long

  • I couldn't agree more,

    When Anon started the call for the DDoS attacks and black faxes I answered,

    Even if I'm not Anon myself and now that they shifted tactics to simple hacks and pranks to protest and information dissemination and still I support them now and forever,

    And as long as the Co$ lives I would still be support them for everybody and for my personal enjoyment.

  • scifags have changed there game they arent opeating fair game here more like operation duck and cover. i miss bullbaiting was more fun.

    Groups opposing scientology have amalgamated into one so thedynamic has changed /b/tards should just carry on doing it our way but we shouldn't ignore the efforts of other groups they give us more credability and will help take down the cult in the long run. As for illegal attacks not working...

  • It' not about "taking down the cult", it's about getting lulz.

    Such an easy theme, but moist ppl are still 2 stupid 2 understand.

  • well both compliment eachother reli and the lines become kinda blurred but for me personally the lulz died along time ago and lulz had to be found elsewhere just like i had to find a new home far from the newfags who became the bane of my existance. Funny reli /b killed itself the thing we loved about it proved to be its downfall shame but it will be looked on with fond memories when i look back from the darker places ilurk these days

  • oh dudes don't be such an oldfag, /b/ was as crap allways as shit as it is now. That's kind of its trademark, and there always will be lulz there, too. You gotta just lurk moar.

  • I am a gay faggot.

  • lol

  • well said

  • Amen!

    This wasn't relevant to what I was searching for, but I'm glad I found this nonetheless.

  • I second that.

  • This video is pretty brilliant, couldnt have said it better myself. I agree the themes can get kind of gay. Sorry to say it, but school's out theme was mega gay. And the girls dressed up in school girl uniforms, strangely i kind of felt meh. Anonymous=win. Seriousfags= Scientologists and people who act like them. Unfortunately, there have been way too many PC srsfags at protests.

  • Anons were 20 somethings. Now with this common cause against Cof$, we can merge generations instead of segregating them. For god sake invite us older people to your parties as well. Dont be like Satan on his birthday in south park where he was more prejudice than a spoilt young girl. When i went to your marches i noticed there were mainly youths in costumes dancing. Some were friendly to talk others were cagey as they may have been unsure that any older people might be from Cof$. thus lulz dies

  • I didnt know who Anon was until you started protesting Cof$ that is how you became known out of your elite group with esoteric grammar & dialect into the open. The idea of making fun of others for that sake is ridiculous. Would you like them to make fun of you for no reason? If Lulz were the motivating force then anon stands for nothing except meaningless banter & will be more washed in different directions because stupidity is even more chaotic than the factions you worry about being built now

  • also, basically you're saying, you're becoming just like the groups you protest against? Overbearing, misguided, faceless masses of no-goodery.

  • "Special Thanks: BioVisions, Harvard: Inner Life of a Cell"

    ???

    the link to the video you used for your background is missing("This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Harvard University")are you not also infringing upon their copyright?

    Just saying...

  • But, how can you sue Anonymous, if you don't know who they are?

  • Has your mother ever been sent to the RPF?

    Charles Manson did what he did because he was a druged out cult leader like Hubbard.

  • I get my info from watching the sea org victims work 12-13 hour days(extended to 16 if they are on lower conditions) and watch the shitty food they bring in for them. They also seem to be on 6 week rotations in the RPF because there stats have crashed in the wake of anonymous.

    Has your mother ever been sent to the RPF?

  • Xenu(dot)net

  • To anwer your question I have a lot more then 140 dollars a week of disposable income and I don't work 12 hour days brainwashing people for an evil money-cult.

  • "My moms sisters are catholic and visit about every other year."

    I'm glad the cult lets you see your non-$cientologist family(even it if is only for a short time every few years). Answer me this, if they had a different opion about you then $cientology would the cult still let you see them?

  • that is "if they had a different opion about scientology then you do would the cult still let you see them."

  • 140 a week? For 12 hour shifts 6 days a week and random trips to the RPF when sales go down. Wow, sounds like fun. The food in the sea org is legendary for being horrible(and low protien) the sea org members in Toronto sleep 6 to a room in bunk beds(that is when they aren't being gang bang sec checked Yee).

    If you left the cult would you be able to talk to your mother still?

  • your average sea org member maks 50 dollars a week.

    Where does your mom go on vacation, Mc Donalds or the mall?

  • So your entire family is in the cult. Let me ask you this and please answer honestly, if you changed your mind about $cientology would you be able to speak with any of your loved ones? Or would you be disconnected like david miscavige is from his neice?

  • "We only disconnect from those who harm or hate. You know .... folks like you."

    lol. You don't seem to be disconnecting from me and I am proud to be an SP.

  • Disconnection is a tactic to cut $cientologist off from the suport of friends and family. This is a common tactic praticed by every cult meant to isolate victims so they can be more effectly brainwashed and milked for cash.

    Your cult is terrified of criticism of any kind. What exactly are you all collective so afraid of? Is it maybe because on some level you know Hubbard's ramblings can't stand up to scrutiny?

  • How does it feel being part of an organization that practices disconnecton?

  • Double blind peer reviewed studies are the foundation of modern medicine(the kind that cures real illness like Small Pox and Polio).

    If Dianetics actually worked then why not submit to a peer reviewed study and instantly silence all your critics?

    As an O$A operative wouldn't it be easier to defend your cult if you had actual evidence to suport your possition?

  • Anonymous had an eye on the Toronto org the entire day.

    No one went in. No books were sold.

  • "People love to wear eyeglasses!!"

    Well I guess your right. It's not like there is an entire industry built around contacts and lazer eye surgery.

  • You are seeking contact with SP's online and getting rather low on the tone scale.

    The tech is not working for you.

  • Toryluvslrh1 said "You are not jurting Scn."

    The Toronto Org had a major book drive today. They sold no books.

  • If Hubbard's ramblings produced real results(greater then placebo) then why hasn't your cult submited it's methods to a double blind peer review study?

  • All I've done is ask you about why your cults literature makes claims your "tech" obviously isn't delivering.

    Xenu.

  • So yvette and yee where bifocals to make a fasion statement? right.

  • toryluvslrh1 said: "No one gives a shit what you think!"

    I supose if you were intelligent enough to understand the irony inherant in taking the time post a "no one cares" comment then you would have something more to offer in your cults defense the ad hominem attacks.

  • toryluvslrh1, Do you miss the people you've been forced to disconnect from?

  • LOL, then lets talk about why so many OTs(specifically yvette shank and edmound yee) need eye glasses despite LRH's promise in dianetics that even a lowly clear would enjoy 20/20 vision?(not to mention total recall and superior mental math).

  • Poor O$A, you are so desperate to make this personal. I will always bring you back to facts, evidence and the myraid abuses of your cult.

  • I don't supose you have any evidence that dianetics is "the #1 best selling book of all time" do you? You should parrot less and check facts more.

  • The head of O$A and $cientology for Canada(Yvette shank OT3) wears glasses and got overtly hostile with me today(she fliped me off) when I asked her why she needed her glasses and if she missed the people she'd been forced to disconnect from.

    Why can no $cientologist explain to me why so many OT's don't even fit the definition of clear found in dianetics.

  • Are you trying to deny that in Dianetics LRH promises clears 20/20 vision, total recall, perfect mental math and near immunity to illness and then completely fails to deliver on his claims?

    You are only as clear as your checks O$A and you've been scamed by a bad sci-fi writter.

    Out of curiousity, have you red science of survial yet?

  • "In August 1950, amidst the success of Dianetics, Hubbard held a demonstration in Los Angeles' Shrine Auditorium where he presented a young woman called Sonya Bianca (a pseudonym) to a large audience including many reporters and photographers as 'the world's first Clear.' However, despite Hubbard's claim that she had "full and perfect recall of every moment of her life", Bianca proved unable to answer questions from the audience testing her memory and analytical abilities."

    -from wikipedia

  • LOL, you mean you don't know? I guess you don't have total recall then. Strike two for LRH's false promises and cons.

  • LOL, why do so many of your fellow clears and ot's still need corrective eye glasses. LRH claimed in Dianetics that clears would have 20/20 vision. The evidence of LRH's fraud is literally all over the faces of your fellow $ci-loons.

  • Acording to Dianetics a lowly clear is supose to have 20/20 vision. The fact that so many clears and OT's are walking around still very much in need of corrective eye glasses proves that LRH was making promises he couldn't deliver on in order to con the gulible out of their money.

    Even DM can't memorise his speaches(as he is forced to read the awkwardly off of que cards). An OT8 without total recall? the cult leader has no cloths.

  • LOL, you still hadn't answered my question in a month.

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  • Do you normally "see" those who read comments? Is this perhapse some "OT" power that actually works?

  • LOL! This is a public message board. It is a little late in the game for you to still be figure this stuff out O$A.

  • Everyone please notice that "toryluvslrh1" had no answer to my question.

  • Why do at least 2 OT's need corrective eye glasses? How can you justify being part of an organization that practices fair game?

  • LRH's OT3 lecture is avalable for free online.

    youtube(dot)com/watch?v=ud6LjB­6Lzm8

  • TorylovLRH joined only a month ago and has watched over 1000 videos.

    Obvious O$A spammer is obvious.

    You fail.

  • Those have been popping up a LOT in recent months - guess someone at Co$ is shitting bricks.

  • "you only get flack when you are over the target"

    - bomber crews in WW2

  • "give me something you can prove"

    Sure thing. Your cult has an on going history of "fair gaming" critics. I've witnessed this first hand.

    Further more, your cult exposed it's members to deadly blue aspestos for 20 years. How can you justify suporting an organization that would gamble with it's members lives/health.

  • Your cults history of Fair gaming critics is a matter of public record. Google "operation freak out" and "operation snow white" for two specific examples.

    On a personal note I had O$A goons try to follow me home and a friend of mine was fair gamed extensively. (google "TorontoSP Fair game" to hear gregs heart renching story.)

    Jenna Miscavige has been disconnect from all her relatives and friends still in inside the cult(including her uncle David Miscavige).

  • Jenna has been disconnected from her friends and family that are still in the church.

  • Jenna has been disconnected from her family and loved ones still inside the money-cult. So much for 2D being so important. DM's own family has been destroyed via enforced disconnection.

  • Search youtube for "Toronto SP" to watch 2 videos of Greg talking about his experience with "Fair Game".

  • I shreaded your entire cult when I pointed out that David Miscavige is unable to memorise his speaches(as he reads them awkwardly off of que-cards). If DM isn't "clear" as defined in dianetics it means one of two things. Either no one is clear and dianetics is a money making scam or people are being allowed to move foward on the bridge(all the way up to OT8) who are not infact "clear" so the cult can make money. either way you have a real problem to deal with.

  • Soul you now sound totally desperate. So where is the list of names soul. here is your chance to really show me up. Where is the list? You can keep trying to hide but I will keep pulling you back into the light. Tell me something you can prove .. not just what you have heard. Can you do that?

  • Care to adress my point about DM not being clear and the obvious implications there in?

  • I guess not.

  • Why does David miscavige have to awkwardly read his speaches off of que-cards? He is OT8 and a lowly clear is suposed to have total recall.

  • Poor O$A, it is a little late in the game for you to still be unaware that Anonymous has no leaders.

    Remember to put in your KR that you had contact with an SP who mentioned Xenu the galatic overlord mentioned in OT3.

  • Soul - what religion are you?

  • Soul - what religion are you?

  • Soul - what religion are you?

  • Soul - Its time to be brave and show you are a man. You cant be a coward forever! What religion are you?

  • The Toronto Org wash shut down today because of a mini-raid.

    That one is for you Tory(smile).

  • I'm still waiting for peer reviewed evidence that Dianetics is more effective then any other form of faith healing(which is to say as effective as any other placebo).

  • Were you ever on the Freewinds? If so how do you feel about your cult exposing it's "elite" members to deadly cancer causing blue aspestos for 40 years?

  • I guess I will be waiting on that peer reviewed evidends for a while. Right O$A?

  • Interesting that as I turn up the heat your smart-ass comes out.  So what religion are you soul?

  • I'm still waiting on that peer reviewed study that proves dianetics is effective at treating anything.

    Also why can't DM memorise his speaches?

  • One thing at a time soul. First you were going to tell me who was forced to have an abortion and how you know its true. Give me a name ...

  • ToryluvsLRH, why can't you answer my simple question?

    Your cult exposed it's "elite" memebers to deadly blue aspestos for 40 years. How does o$a answer this charge? Oh right, by desperately trying to change the subject.

    Jenna Miscavige(DM disconnected niece) has made the claim that during her time in sea org she saw girls get pressured into having abortions.

  • So you are on a campaign to stop Scn because you read where Jenna M said it was being done? Did I understand you correctly? And 40 years of asbestos? We have only owned the ship 20 years so how does that work? Oh and soul ... what religion are you?

  • You brought up forced abortion o$a. I personally protest the cult because it "fair games" critics and distroys families through "disconnection"(so much for 2d being so important). I'm also disgusted by the huge amounts of money Co$ charges for its faith healing.

    Again, DM at OT8 doesn't even fit the dianetics definition of clear(as he can't memorise his speaches).

    So how do you feel about your cult exposing it's "elite" members to deadly blue aspestos for 20 years?

  • Read me the report of the names of the church members hurt by asbestos. List them out for me including how it was handled. Did they sue or what? As for your feelings about the cost of Scn classes ... who cares. I mean really soul... who are you? So what religion are you soul?

  • LOL! For all the lip flaping your cult does about the dangers of "toxins" you certainly don't seem to care to much about being exposed to deadly blue aspestos(this is a matter of public record).

    Do you have any evidence at all that Dianetics is effective in treating anything?

  • So are you going to give me the list of names as to who had to have an abortion? Can you at least give me the names of the people harmed by asbestos? Scn deals in specifics! So lets see an anon give some. BUSTED!! Oh yea soul ... what religion are you?

  • Your cult exposed it's "elite" followers to deadly blue aspestos. If you don't care about this then there is little help for you.

  • Hi Soul - I'll ask you my question again and please take your time in answering because ol Tory is watching you. You dont want to upset the Blonde Messiah now do you? Give me the names of those who had abortions or were sick from asbestos. My cult is waiting for your proof soul. You wouldnt be lying would ya? Oh yea ... what religion are you soul?

  • The source for the forced sea abortions in sea org claim(which you brought up) is jenna miscavige. Jenna is the niece of the current leader of your cult and grew up in the sea org. If you want specific names you will have to ask her.(not that you or anyone else in the cult are allowed to talk to her seeing as david declaired his own niece an "SP").

    How do you justify suport a cult that knowingly exposed it's members to deadly blue aspestos?

  • Soul are you abit slow or what? I didnt ask who told you about the abortions. That proves nothing. I want to know who had the abortions and what was done about it? I guess what you are trying to avoid is that I have you cornered with nowhere to run. I bet you change the subject. Wanna bet? Oh yea ... what religion are you?

  • You brought up abortions. I've sourced the claim but can give you no more information then was released in the media(nore would I realse personal information if I had it) time to move on.

    The reason I protest your money-cult is not because of Jenna Miscavige. The reason I protest is because of your cults long history of attacking critics(which I've experience first hand, google "fair game") and because of "disconnect".

    Co$ exposing it's own members to deadly blue aspestos is also upseting.

  • Soul my little parrot. I'm afraid you have become old news now.  I proved you were didnt know what you were talking about. Anybody wanna jump in here and help ol Soul out? He is sinking fast!

  • "Soul my little parrot"

    How can you say that after just delivering the famous $cientology "what are your crimes" circular reasoning drone.

    Search youtube for "what are your crimes" to see footage of $cientologists all over the world asking protesters this lame cult talking point.

  • "I proved you were didnt know what you were talking about. Anybody wanna jump in here and help ol Soul out? He is sinking fast!"

    I supose that is true, in the same way Xenu blew up a bunch of aliens and then brainwashed their ghosts.

  • Soul - what religion are you?

  • I am not a cult-nephite that can be willed into submission by repeated commands.

    It is silly of you in the first place to ask an anon for any personal information. It is down right wacky to think that an anon would ever give details about his/her life to an o$a operative. Why would I do your work for you?

  • Now that is interesting. It took an anon kid to prove a Scn point! LRH amazes me more everyday. We know that your fear of not communicating is from being discovered a fraud & liar. And that comes from CRIMES! So there ya go. You wanted to see it work and YOU made it possible. I dont need to know your religion now. You told me all I need to know. Got that list of names yet? LOLOL

  • I am not giving you personal information because you are an O$A operative and your cult has a long history of attacking critics.(search youtube for torontoSP to hear a perticularly erking and little known fair game horror story from Canada).

    That said I've told you that I will tell you what religion I am when you(as a gesture of honesty) admit you are an o$a operative and tell me where on the bridge you are? Extra points if you are OT3 and are willing to admit to the space opera(google Xenu).

  • You cant say what religion you believe because that will tell me your name & address and then we can bring asbestos to your home? I see you have picked up the writing speed abit. Abit concerned are you? I can see why. I shredded your asbestos & abortion stories. I had to correct you on the ship being 20 years not 40. Shall we keep going or did you come to your senses?

  • Google "paulette cooper" and "operation freak out" to find out why no one should tell o$a any of their personal details.

    Why can you admit you are o$a and tell me where you are on the bridge? afraid I'l find your crimes?

  • In what way did you "shred" the fact that Co$ sold trips on "cancer cruise lines" for over two decades?

    Google, "blue aspestos on the freewinds", your cults history of exposing it's members to deadly toxins without their knowledge is a matter of public record.

  • I'm simply posting shorter responses as compound questions seem to be a bit to much for you.

  • You'll have to forgive me, my first language is marcabian and my communication blocking skills(being an SP4)sometimes affects transimission from Marcabian to earth.

    Hail Xenu!

  • I will tell you what belief I am when you admit you are O$A and tell me what OT level you are.

  • I'm still waiting for peer reviewed evidence that Dianetics is more effective then any other form of faith healing(which is to say as effective as any other placebo).

  • LOL

    "Scn did a little digging and discovered who HE(the leader of anonymous) is"

    Is this the same "digging" O$A did to Paulette Cooper? Why should anyone believe anything from a cult with such a long history of lieing about and attacking critics?(google "fair game").

    O$A, you have no credibility. If after 6 months you haven't figured out that Anonymous is a web based collective with leadership then you are an extremely ineffective organization.

    Your money cult is made of fail.

  • Please send me a link proving Freewinds is fixed. If it is, how do you feel about the fact that your cult exposed it's members to deadly cancer causing blue aspestos for 40 years without telling them?

  • Anonymous has no leader silly. If O$A hasn't put that together yet then you are in even more trouble then I thought.

    To answer your question we have no fear of a broken down UFO cult that can't even maintain it's own flagship.

  • toryluvslrh2- Where are you on the bridge?

  • If you show me a clear as defined in dianetics I will not only stop protesting your cult but I will spent 10 000 dollars on dianetics.

  • I have good news for you and your tight budget! You can go to any Dianetics center and get some Dianetic auditing for free! But be careful ... you could end up leaving anonymous and actually start helping man. Hey ... it could happen.

  • Why don't you get the Toronto org to show me a single clear as defined in dianetics? LRH said that his "tech" worked 100% of the time, why is showing me a clear so dificult?

    Also, why does david miscavige need to read his speaches of notes? doesn't he have a perfect memory?

  • Ok Soul .. I'll make a call and have the entire Toronto Org stop what they are doing so they can show you a CLEAR. I'll get right on that ...

  • They stop what they are doing everytime I show up with my anyway. Why not just show me a clear, get the 10 000 grad and be done with it?

  • What religion are you soul?

  • Where are you on the bridge?

  • DM remembered to bring his notes Soul so I guess that proves his memory is ok heh?

  • Acording to dianetics a "clear" has a perfect memory. Why would DM needs notes? The man is OT8.

  • okay, I shouldn't ask "why does DM need notes". I should ask "why does DM need to read his entire speach awkwardly off of a piece of paper.

  • So folks like you can keep up....

  • lol, what did LRH say about people who were forced to resort to personal attacks?

    Incidently, all of DM's speaches that I've seen him use notes with were intended for $cientologists only. It's a shame you have such a low opion of your fellow cult members though I honestly can't blame you.

  • This anon agrees.

  • I want you to lay off the sugar and get some more rest. Next I want you to start learning how to think for yourself and stop repeating what you hear in here. Be a leader son ... not a follower!

  • You are absolutely correct. TIME TO PARTY PEOPLE! :D

  • Idiot.

  • Whats wrong cupcake?

  • Meh, I can't really argue with you, because after all... you won't listen to what I say.

    But GG brainwash on you!

  • Can someone interpret what this young person just said? Thank you

  • Why dont u give up? everyone seems 2 be against you and paul fetch

  • Because its the right people against me! I wouldnt want someone like you who hates and destroys others religion on my side. Keep it up trooper!!! LOL

  • At least I don't kill people, you have anonymous all wrong, if you could pay attention ud understand

  • If you destroy another persons religion that makes you the biggest killer of them all. Better rethink your actions.

  • LOL were not taking lives, do you really believe that some random alien was ruler of our galaxy and he magicly took souls into a machine, think about it, does that really sound possible, i mean wtf OH LOOK IM A OT3 LOL I BELIEVE IN SOME ALIEN THAT KILLED PEOPLE WITH H BOMBS LOL AND MAGICLY OUR TECHNOLOGY WAS LOST A MILLION YEARS LATER

  • LMAO!!!! I think you had better lay off the Star Trek for abit! Where do your sources get this weird stuff from. Maybe you should come back to earth so we can discuss Scn again. Over & Out! LOL

  • LOL kk then whats the truth, or do u not have the balls to say it mm?!?

  • I'm not sure what "truth" you are looking for? I hear you guys talking about space aliens and planets and I cant help to wonder what the hell you are putting on your corn flakes. Its like me claiming to know your mom is the head of the mafia! WHAT? Other than laughing, how would you answer that? IIt seems you have us mixed up with the next comic book convention ...

  • Oh yeah thats clearly it

    Id answer it with proof XP

  • Sounds like you found the secret truth. Oh your good! Really good! LMAO ....

  • Hi o$a!

  • Hello torydrone ....

  • I also noticed the higher ups in the Toronto org all wear eye glasses. Why would they need eye glasses if they are clear?

  • They wear glasses so that when they are floating over the planet they dont get stuff in their eyes.

  • They wear glasses because their vision is impaired and they need corrective lenses. Acording to Dianetics going clear is supose to give you perfect vision. This proves one of to things, either "clear" doesn't exist and dianetics is bullshit or people are getting declaired "clear" and up the OT bridge even who are not clear. The motive however remains the same, Cos wants your money and will lie to you to get it.

  • Right!  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • On what pont am I incorrect O$A?

  • poor o$a, this must be a bad time to be in your cult.

  • SEREOSLY!!! COMe ON scientology is the biggest EPIC FAIL i have ever seen!!

  • Kill people? Come on son. Stop talking stupid and try to make a point.

  • Lisa Mcpherson was murdered by your cult.

  • Well gosh Soul I guess that explains why the State of Florida dropped all charges against the COS in Lisa's case.