AMD X3-720@3.4GHZ ATI 4770@830MHz BIOSHOCK DX10 1920X1080

[xxl606]

The settings aren't fully highest. If you want highest settings, you should turn off "force global lighting"

[toutagamon]

@xxl606

Crap, you are right.

I though, that having something to ON would be better.

Anyway, Bioshock 2 is out now, so I will be using that, for new hardware! :)

[okifoxjl]

Would a Intel core 2 duo 2.8GHZ suffice as "decent"?

[toutagamon]

Yes if it has 2MB L2 cache or more!

[TrantaLocked]

Wow, a SOLID 60 FPS at the highest settings and resolution? Much more than what I expected! I am getting this card for christmas and your video verified it kicks ass :D

[toutagamon]

Yeah it was a great card. I was very impressed by it. Just make sure you have a decent cpu.

[TrantaLocked]

I have an OK CPU but I am going to O/C to get good results. I just got a 24 inch 16:9 HD monitor and it runs at a native 1920x1080 so I will need to OC my CPU unless I go down res and ruin my quality or setup my 16 inch CRT (1024x800 or something like that) when I want to game. Running any game at 1024 or lower will be the freaking bomb on this video card.

[Loves2spooge696]

I have 3,5 Ghz @ 1.5v on my 720

Oh, and also the 4th core unlocked.

[GreenGhost5]

I'm thinking...Build a system around the 4770 and upgrade the GPU at a later point. The 4770 will do what I want it to do mostly. AoC, Dragon Age, ArmA II, and OpFlash DR. SHould be good for that.

[CommieRedM]

That's a good way to go. No point paying a lot for a DX 10 card now with DX 11 just around the corner. The 4770 is a great 'stop-gap' while you wait to see what Nvidia might come out with later and to see just how many DX 11 games will be coming out in the near future. But for upgrade from a 7 series geforce it's a no-brainer.

[CommieRedM]

Just got OpFlash Dragon Rising and the 4770 devours it on max detail at 1280 x 1024(The highest res for my monitor). Since it did it so easily, I'm sure it would play OFPDR at max detail on a higher resolution too, since the game is 'consolized' graphicwise, with blurry textures though still looking good considering the scale.

[CommieRedM]

Oh and I tried ArmA II with the 1.4 patch too, and at 12x10 res I also could play it smoothly on mostly highest settings with visual distance at 2/3.

[CommieRedM]

From what I read the ATI 5750 will run a 128mb bus just like ATI 4770 with a clock of 700mhz and hae GDDR5 ram. Doesn't seem much different from a 4770 apart from the DX11 support. The tentative price is 115 pounds or at least 150 dollars. It also seems to draw a lot of power which is a drag for upgraders with low PSU's.

[toutagamon]

It will be a bit faster than the 4770 actually. I think it will be below 100watts as the 4770!

[CommieRedM]

Maybe a bit faster, but running DX11 it will probably be a dog just like the first 8000 series Geforces and DX 10. Besides, by the time games start really using DX 11 at more than a rudimentary level (remember how DX 10 games originally just had a better explosion here or there?), the next gen will be out.

With price being at least $150, in reality higher as there will be high demand, low stock and no competition, Iits not a good buy when you'll only have GRID 2 to play for many months anyway.

[toutagamon]

Dirt 2! :P

Yeah you do have a point! We'll see how this plays out!

[CommieRedM]

Yeah, Dirt 2 I meant :)

All I know for sure is that the cheapo prices for these cards that we see banded about won't be anywhere near as cheap in Europe and in Romania where I'm living at the moment, I doubt I'll even see a 5 series card for 3 or 4 months! Same with the 4770, took 3 months after release before I even saw one available in the city I'm in!

[GreenGhost5]

Hmm...I could wait I'm not in that much of a hurry, however I'm wondering if by going the DX11 route if the other parts I've chosen will need to be upgraded as well. Making the system as a whole more expensive. So far I've spent about $568 and that's not counting Windows 7. Which will be cheap thank god.

[toutagamon]

Some performance balance is required between the cpu and the gpu but DX11 does not mean you need a better cpu, just a better gpu. I mean you don't need any better cpu with DX11 than the one you needed with DX10 and DX9!

[GreenGhost5]

I'm finally going to be able to build my budget system. The question that pose is would you still recommend the 4770?

[toutagamon]

The 4770 is still a great card, but why don't you wait to see what the Juniper and Cedar have in store?

[GreenGhost5]

Huh? I don't know what those cars are. I'll presume it's the new cards that'll support DX11?

Really though $100 for a card is as far as I can go. My budget is about $600, I might be able to push another $100 if I'm very lucky. Just way too many bills to pay these days, not enough money for toys anymore...

But I would like to know which cards you're referring to.

[GreenGhost5]

I looked up the code names you gave. The 5700 series by AMD.

So I wonder if I should wait...Or just pull the trigger on the 4770?

I'm not sure if I could even build a budget system around a DX11 card.

[toutagamon]

Well, the 5750 should cost around 100 euros while the 4770 costs around 80 euros.

If you are in a hurry go ahead. I am not very sure about the price anyway!;)

They launch at the end of the month anyway....!:S

[CommieRedM]

Since it runs Bioshock so well and other games as toutagamon has shown at very high resolution and max detail then at the res I play at (and many budget gamers I guess), this card absolutely shits on almost anything, especially Unreal tech based games(which seem to be every second game these days:)). Only time I had to lower AA and AF at my resolutions (12x10 and 10x7) was in the Crysis games, but still kept the detail at max(DX 10)! Great card if you want more life from an old machine.

[CommieRedM]

Well I finally gave up on Nvidia after 10 years, because this little ATI card seemed to have everything I needed for a tiny price ( a little over a third of the cost of the 7900 GT I replaced when it was new!). I have an 3yr old core2duo 6400 with 2 gb ram and play on an 17 inch CRT that only does 1280x1024 so am not as demanding as I used to be:) This 4770 made it seem like I bought a new computer and keeps the wife happy as not 'wasting' money on a new gaming rig...YET;)

[flashfith]

man it's gonna be sad when I get my 4770 and see nVidia in every game's intro. lOl

[toutagamon]

Just press ESC! ;)

[KKOPPI]

why do you turn vsync off?

[toutagamon]

Because my videos' goal, is to show the maximum performance!

[KKOPPI]

lol my pc goes lag if i turn on vsync...

[tuberoako777]

if u turn on Vsync.. u "cap" ur maximum FPS to the refresh rate of ur monitor( usually 60Hz so ur max FPS is 60FPS)..

when people benchmark they turn it off (if they know that their FPS will be over 60)

[Horihiraku]

Oh I love your clever setup. Nice choice of gpu and cpu + overclock. If you wanted you could add a second 4770 for crossfire and tested them they beat by at least 10% the 275 nvidia. Very impressive.

[keelsies00]

Wich CPU cooler did you used?

[toutagamon]

The xigmatek 1283. The cheap one! Not the Darknight!

[keelsies00]

Ehh, if you upgrade you're memory, than can you play it with more FPS.

[toutagamon]

Memory (System RAM) has nothing to do with the ability of the video card to render! That is, up to the point that your computer does not lag due to insainly low memory.

Nowadays, most gaming systems have 4GBs which are more than enough. More than 4GBs for gaming is just overkill!

[DMG6]

60 fps... thats kinda low, im going to get a gtx 295 and i know it gets around 300 fps in bioshock at 1280 by 1024, and 180 fps in 1900 by 1200 i think. I used overclockersclub as a guide, and refrence for cards.

[toutagamon]

60fps is just exactly what you need. The human eye perceives 60fps as perfect natural motion.

As for the comparison with the GTX295, why are you comparing an 85euros card with a 420euros card?

[DMG6]

dunno, i just compare cards to see what i get. I have a ati radeon 2600 hd pro 512mb, and im kinda mad at ati that their cards are weaker than nvidia. The 4870 x2 is about 500 US, and gtx 295 500 US, and the difference between their fps in bioshock, and dead space at 1920 by 1200 is 80 fps. I am pissed at why ati is weaker than nvidia. Even if you compare cards at same price range, nvidia is always stronger.

[toutagamon]

You should really get your facts straight man.

Since you are talking about USD go to newegg and search for the lowest prices of 4870X2 and GTX295. You will see that the 4870X2 costs 380USD and the GTX295 costs 530USD. How on earth is that the same price?

As for Bioshock, go read Overclockersclub review of the GTX295. You will see that in 1920X1200 the GTX295 scores 206fps while the 4870X2 scores 189fps. How is that a big difference?

[toutagamon]

As for Dead Space, why on earth would you pay any attention to that piss ass poor excuse of a port of a console game, that has nothing technologically advanced to show and you are not takind under consideration games like FEAR2, GRID (best racer on the PC ever), HAWX, etc, that actually run BETTER on the CHEAPER 4870X2?

Also don't forget this. The day i went to the shop and got my 4870X2 for 450 euros (September 2008), the GTX 280 cost 580 euros! I rest my case!

[graceunderpressurex]

youre the stupidest mother fucker .. nufff said.

[neruxxx]

it is called, VSYNC

[GreenGhost5]

What monitor are you using? I noticed that it's 16:9.

I'm fixing to start a build using the ATI 4770, I might crossfire them, but I don't know if it'll be worth that.

[toutagamon]

It's a Philips 32'' FullHDTV. ATI 4770 crossfire, perform better than the 4890!

[GreenGhost5]

How does the PC gaming fare in 16:9 aspect ratio. I ordered a Dell S2409W, should be here in a few hours. I spent quite a bit on my PC build. So any monitor will have to do at this point. I decided to go with one card and in a few weeks I'll grab another 4770.

[toutagamon]

16:9 is great man. You have nothing to fear. Ok some older games may not support these resolutions, but 99% of the games can be perfectly playable in wide aspect.

DOOM 3 is not one of them, lol!

[GreenGhost5]

Now worries there. I don't even play Doom 3. I just set my Dell up via my wifes laptop. Stunning screen! The only problem is at a lower res the text looks blurry as hell.

[GreenGhost5]

I meant to say no worries, not now.

[toutagamon]

You are 24 and you have a wife? Respect! :P

[CIAmrx]

i run doom 3 on my 22" LCD at 1920x1080...setting up a custom resolution in Doom3 is as simple as entering 3 console commands.

[AllTypesOfVideos]

Hey ! Is your 4th core unlocked ? Didn't see CPU-Z though . Good video by the way, thanks . (:

[toutagamon]

I unlocked it, but it crashed all the time, so i relocked it, lol. Trust me, 3 cores are more than enough for gaming.

[AllTypesOfVideos]

How come ? I know having 3 cores is better than 4 cores, by just a few frames . Hmm . But what if you feel like doing some video rendering and oh, let's play Crysis, that kind, you know ? (: By the way, what causes the crashes ?

[toutagamon]

Games rarely put more than two cores in good use. Crysis is not one of them. Trust me, i had a Q6600 and now i used my friends X3 and i saw no difference.

Ok for video encoding you could see better performance with 4 cores, but jeez how much video encoding do you do? If your life depends on it, go for a recent quad core.

It is rumored, that the X3s come from X4 that have one bad core. So if you make the bad core available, you get crashes.

[AllTypesOfVideos]

Okay, will do . Thanks for your information . (:

[VergildsvsDantess]

fantastic man, I can't wait for my two xfx 4770 which I'll crossfire! =D

[toutagamon]

I am almost jealous!:P

[druidkg]

great graphic card

[toutagamon]

Well i certainly didn't expect bioshock to run that well. Especially since it is an Nvidia sponsored game!