Dancing Mad - FFVI - Orchestra version from Distant Worlds II Concert

[OneMetropolis]

This is awfull

[CJTranceAddiction]

in the end, one winged angel is possibly the most famous piece from the entire ff series...and for good reason. chilling music that brings goosebumps...dancing mad is truly well done music of course but it failed to give me goosebumps...i don't know, the melody to me just isn't as impressive as OWA.

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction Actually I'd state that one of the good reasons why One Winged Angel is a more known piece is because RPGs didn't receive the same boom in interest as it did when it turned 3D.

A larger crowd will guarantee a larger amount of people enjoying it. And you can't give the statement that more people enjoying it means higher quality. You'd be giving praise to much too much drivel in the world (not to say FF7 is bad, it's a good fun game and One Winged Angel is nice too)

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 You are correct to an extent...there are always boundaries. I made a reference to popularity already. Yes, there is a lot of drivel in popular culture but in all that drivel there is probably just as much greatness. There is popular garbage and unpopular garbage just as there is popular greatness and unpopular greatness. Yeah, not everything has the opportunity to get recognized but if FFVI was soooo great it should have done as well as zelda in NA on snes....it didn't.

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction You do realize that at the time of the SNES we had yet to gain a real big boon or intake of gamers in the RPG genre, it was still considered a deep niche back then and a lot of classics went unseen by a great amount of gamers, yet there still were tons of great classic RPGs that are recognized by all.

Earthbound, Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger to name a few were some great classic RPG titles from the Snes era that gave chills to countless gamers.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 True...Chrono Trigger I think did fairly well upon release, though. FFVII had appeal though...the characters were iconic and that really can't be said for the cast of FFVI. I think the characters are really what made the FFVII game combined with the uniquely dark world. Later on, FF characters were all too similar in appearance...

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction Also, the most famous piece from the entire FF series is the Final Fantasy theme. It doesn't matter which Final Fantasy game you played, which one introduced you to the series. Everyone who played at least one Final Fantasy on console knows the Final Fantasy theme.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 I'm not going to argue the popularity of the ff theme...of course it'll be the most famous. Maybe the second ff theme as well...in the credits.

[RaekwonLivatnek]

Would be funny if Kefka danced in.

[TormyJai]

oh wait i thought this was the london one LOL got so confused cos mine didnt look nothing like this XD

nice view though apart from the heads in the way!

distant worlds all theway =D

[FroggyQC23]

This series started dying when Uematsu took his distances.

[dukenukem25]

i feel kefkas pain, sephiroth is jsut a mindless punk who fails time and time agan. kefka pallazo actually conquerd the wordl and destroyd most of it. non of u understand his logic and things. those who do give a thumbs up.

[SageNemesis]

@dukenukem25 I love Sephiroth. He's a bad ass, when he doesn't have to fight Cloud. Cloud has his number every time. Kefka, what's there to say? He's one of the best villains in Final Fantasy History! But this theme and One Winged Angel are both amazing!

[Stevelord666]

@dukenukem25

Umm...what? 

[lizardprince23]

@dukenukem25 dude both kefka and sephiroth are fucking kick ass get over it geez

[animeaddict7777]

I'm a Sephiroth fanboy, but I have to admit, this was epic!

[PsyChe1723]

DANCING MAD FUCK ONE WINGED ANGEL!

[BinaryDood]

@PsyChe1723

they're both great...

[Testsubject909]

@BinaryDood Only in their respective domains.

Kefka is a great villain. Sephiroth is a great antagonist.

Final Fantasy 7's main villains would have to be Hojo and the Shinra corporation. Jenova is roughly the equivalent of a dangerous material, her material is basically like having atomic power.

[Aenglaan]

@PsyChe1723 A Kefka fanboy belittles Sephiroth. Waht a twist!

They're both awesome. Deal with it and quit making a fool of yourself.

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan To be fair, he is correct when it comes to the musical composition of each.

The amount of intricate detail, depth and story found within Dancing Mad by itself is incredibly mindnumbing. You can find out more detail on it if you go check up an article entitled Critical Analysis Dancing Mad, just google it.

It's unfortunate to say for those who appreciate it, but overall in terms of quality One Winged Angel comes nowhere near. And one can view the usage of a chorus as a possible crutch

[Aenglaan]

@Testsubject909 "To the musical composition of each"? He never stated anything about it. All he did was vaguely praise and vaguely belittle Dancing Mad and One Winged Angle, respectfully speaking. Furthermore, all I said was that they were both awesome songs (and I stand by that). If you were to ask me which one I think is better, I'd agree with you about Dancing Mad being better (but I would never set it on some unattainable pedestal as One Winged Angle isn't exactly left too far behind).

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Aenglaan Both are great but One Winged Angel is superior to me...I prefer the melody somehow is more sinister to me.

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan I wasn't defending the person, just the opinion.

You can back up his claims with actual in depth analysis and that's what's to be kept in mind here.

But the delivery by which he stated his opinion? Yeah, it was a bit dickish.

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan Also I do realize I'm not entirely objective about it. Final Fantasy 6 vs Final Fantasy 7 has always been a very personal matter. I've been on FF since the first one and Final Fantasy 6 stood head and shoulders tall above and beyond all other RPGs at it's time and still remained one of the most engrossing, atmospheric, entertaining, interesting and well built RPGs for many years to come, much like how Chrono Trigger became a classic so did FF6.

FF7 did incredibly well but.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 What you say of FFVI are my exact thoughts about FFVII and how it stood high and proud above anything else I have played at that time. Yeah, I got FFVI afterwards and man oh man it simply doesn't even come close to FFVII even though I did enjoy it a great deal. I guess to me FFVII just felt more epic and beautiful...had an iconic hero, a far more darker and appealing theme due to its steampunk, gritty nature...a superior soundtrack and far greater villain....

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction I would debate on the "darker and appealing theme due to it's steampunk" as that's displayed heavily in Final Fantasy 6, where we are in a world of technology that has forgotten magic. "gritty nature" when we've dealt with mass murders, suicide attempts, various sorts of trauma and genocides in FF6. and "far greater villain" mainly because I still view FF7's villains as Hojo and the Shinra corporation. FF7 though has a very intimidating opponent and antagonist in Sephiroth.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 Yes, FFVI was definitely a dark game, for sure but definitely lacked that isolated atmosphere of loneliness which also came through in Uematsu's incredible score. Right at the beginning...Anxious Hearts just sucks you into that lonely, gritty Midgar and its slums. It's haunting in a way...for me, the first 20 min of FFVII greatly sets up the game better than FFVI did. I was simply absorbed into the world and nothing else existed.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 to me a great villain is one that makes the hero even that much greater and FFVII is just so fucking epic that it simply brings chills down my spine just thinking about the moment Cloud finally clashes swords with Sephiroth. I have a rule...anything that gives me those chills is an instant classic to me. FFVI = no chills. Most of the time I felt I had to finish it just because it's the game that came becore FFVII. It's the truth. Lot of areas felt like a chore to me....

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction You also have to keep in mind the limitations of technology, at the time of the Snes, FF6 had some of the greatest moments in console gaming history, large buildups and some extremely epic cutscenes and breathtaking moments.

By today's standards they do very little, hell by today's standards FF7 doesn't actually do much either and we always tend to look at our first experiences with rose colored glasses of Nostalgia.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 Actually, to tell you the truth....FFVII is just as beautiful today as it was when I first played it back in 97. The only thing dragging it down is the lego characters. In fact, if this game was just remade to the likes of the Resident Evil remake on gamecube I would be perfectly happy. The backgrounds were beautifully hand painted and live up to todays standards (they still look almost photo real.) The cutscenes are dated too....and the sound quality.

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction To follow up on that last note. There are many gamers like myself who began far earlier then FF6. My first FF experience was right besides Dragon Warrior which at the time was the more popular series in Japan. The gaping differences between FF1, 2 and 3 (1, 4 and 6) was tremendous and had a deep impact, the same can be said of the differences between 6 and 7. But in the end FF6 had a far stronger impact in term of it's structure, story, moments and whatnot.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 Keepin in mind...YOUR opinion, that is. I can name moments in FFVII that simply blow away FFVI's. In fact, FFVI's greatest moment is arguably the opera scene. And in particular, the Mezzo Aria piece which would have been made even more epic if it had the proper sound quality. To me, the Death of Aerith is not only the greatest moment (and what I mean by this is the most memorable) in FF history but one of the greatest and most tragic in all of gaming period.

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan As someone who experienced Final Fantasy and gaming in general as technology moved onward, I learned to judge games somewhat on a system basis and remember well which games I've most loved per era and... Final Fantasy 7 never really stood out beyond other games aside from it being a very fun RPG.

The music itself wasn't actually all that memorable or succeeded in affecting me in ways that other games within previous or it's own generation could.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 The thing is you cannot argue against popularity...sure, lots of popular stuff sucks but not always. Like Michael Jackson for example. Arguably most popular entertainer but for good reason. Usually you have to ask yourself why something becomes popular in the first place. In the end, what one person thinks doesn't matter on a whole...hell, not even 100, 000 people matter when you have 10's of millions of fans. Bottom line is, FFVII was, is and will always be huge. It's stunning!

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction And now I'm going backwards on your line of replies.

What one person thinks can matter if it is the truth. If a thousand people all lie and one person speaks the truth, I will trust the one who wields the truth. Popular opinion be damned. If we all did nothing but believe in popular opinion, we'd still think of the world as flat.

Also, I'm not saying FF7 was a bad game, just so you know, and you need to understand the situation that aided it's great popularity.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 That is actually very well said and you definitely proved your point with that one. And yeah, I totally agree. But that's also a bit different of an opinion than to simply "liking" something or not. At the time, it was quite crazy to think the world was round by the majority. Just unbelievable. But the bottom line is, yes...popularity should should not determine greatness. Yeah, FFVII actually had a HUGE marketing campaign. True, with that usually comes huge sales

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan And then there was the period in which FF7 was plagued by overzealous fans and by a sudden great rushing stream of newcomers to the RPG genre who began to herald it as the greatest thing in it's category (much like how Modern Warfare's fanbase is alienating the previously existing and fanbase of the FPS who're more educated in the matter itself).

The blind fanboyism causes a lot of irritation due to the disrespect they show and etc etc, you can figure it out. But still.

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan In the end, even ignoring all of that and relying only on my initial reactions and untainted take on FF7. FF7 was never all that of a timeless classic in term of gaming. It wasn't an unforgettable tale, an epic beyond all times. It did have an incredibly fun materia system though but it just felt like a natural evolution of the esper system, which then got ruined by the junction system in FF8.

...

I forgot where I was going with all this and started to rant. My apologies. I'll leave.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 yeah, but when all is said and done it's the actual melody and composition that matters and one winged angel is just better music to me. i'm never in the mood for dancing mad even though it's fantastic music.

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction Quite the opposite for me, I'm more often in the mood for Dancing Mad and with four different segments that can be listened individually, they can fit a plethora of moods or be paired in one epic piece.

And with all the remixes, the re-interpretations, the covers and different stylings for it, I have no problem listening to it again and again.

As for composition and actual melody, if you ask a professional to look into it...

Well...

Critical analysis dancing mad. Google it.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 I'm sure not all the critics will go against one winged angel...a lot of the times critics don't know crap, to be honest. Critics didn't like Titanic all that much but it didn't stop the film from earning accolades and worldwide praise from the public. Like I said, usually there is a reason for popularity...even if it sucks to you, you cannot go against the legions of fans that admire the work or art or even the person when it comes down to it. Dancing Mad is just longer....

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction And to that one reply I will state one depressing thought.

Critics recognize that Twilight is a piece of crap.

But the tween female demographics ranging in the millions have turned it into a worldwide phenomenon that distinctly gives a grave tell of the situation of our society.

Isn't it sad? And yes, there's a reason for it's popularity. It's basically softcore porn for women... And to think that Twilight is softcore porn is also sad.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 Haha, yes...I agree. It's really a shame that a movie like that can make so much money. And those female teens are definitely to blame. Which goes to show you, if you have the right tools to market with even complete shit can become a success. But my point is that this always isn't the case. I've already stated some things are popular for the right and wrong reasons. FFVII clearly did it right because after its release I'd say 90% loved the game that bought it

[Testsubject909]

@CJTranceAddiction And I'd like to touch back on your popularity argument.

If you haven't noticed, FF6 is often heralded by many gamers who experienced the entirety of the Final Fantasy games as one of the best if not the best, it is one of the most often argued greatest FF to exist alongside FF7 and this remains one hotly debated subject as well in conjunction to the whole Kefka vs Sephiroth argument. Despite a huge inflow of gamers when FF7 came out, FF6 is still defended for a reason.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Testsubject909 Yes, by those who have played the entire series...sure. And for good reason but I still feel this is a minority compared to the praise FFVII and FFX receive from the fans. One can only judge by the amount of views the games receive over youtube. But then again, FFXIII sold more copies than VI and well...that game looks so bad that I didn't even feel the urge to want to play it. I felt I would get nothing out of it based on what I have seen. So yeah, debatable...

[Testsubject909]

@Aenglaan And note I said one can. I personally don't care either way. A chorus is just another instrument in my eyes, one that typically holds more dramatic flair which in turn means a capacity to provide more emotional weight.

That said, I do enjoy Final Fantasy Returning Home's take on Dancing Mad, the chorus is quite lovely there.

[CJTranceAddiction]

@Aenglaan yeah, no shit eh?

[agentkuan]

Where's that footage from on the screen around 7:00?

[zakdagger]

@agentkuan Final Fantasy: Dissidia

[GoldeneyeDS]

@agentkuan Dissidia: Final Fantasy. The PSP FF equivalent of Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

[Taiki95]

I was there, it was so awesome loved in the end when Nobou went up and sang One winged angel with the choir!

[Museofchaz]

@Taiki95 di you see the boy in the choir next to him? his face was RED!!!

[Taiki95]

@Museofchaz

No I didn't XD hahaha, I would probably start too like ''I'M NOT WORTHY TO STAND NEXT TO A GENIOUS LIKE YOU!!!