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  • that part with the child molesters was great. especially cause i just learned that 90% of the population IS heterosexual, so the statistic is exactly the same.

  • great video =D hehehe. 

  • Yet another good vid!

  • well homosexuality isnt natural in the sense that, a male penis is meant for a female not another male. and vise versa. plus the fact that you cant give birth with same sex, females bodies are for birth. so if its a female and a female. i can see how that would be natural.

  • @tyler2june

    Really? because I know for a fact that many men and women are sterile. I also know for a fact that without even asking anyone that there are people who choose not to have children, or who choose not to have sex at all. I also happen to know that many people choose to be without a sexual partner peiod, who would prefer to go through life single and not be tied down to anyone at all.

    So according to your logic, all this is unnatural as well.

    Do some research, then you can talk

  • @GojyotheFeared no, thats a choice. thats not unatural. a penis is made for a vagina. for a woman. if you are a man with a penis and have sex with a man. that is natural. thats not what its for. we produce sperm to impregnate a female, their is a reason we have a penis. so, im once again right. those are choices people make. but its not unatural. thats comman sense, i don't need research for that. learn logic then you can talk.

  • @GojyotheFeared oh, and the word your thinking of is uncommon. not unnatural.

  • @tyler2june

    No, I beleive I meant to say unnatural as according to your logic it is unnatural to to be homosexual. So by that logic in combination with your idea that the whole purpose of people even being alive at all is to reproduce. So using that logic, it is also unnatual for people tobe sterile, to choose not to have children at all and to choose not to be with anyone period.

  • @GojyotheFeared no no no. people have minds. they can choose. choose to not reproduce is not unatural. they are just uncomon and non conforming. its not unatural to choose agaisnt soceity. i understand that people are born gay. but to me, what they do is unatural. thats not what are reproductive organs are for. so its unatural. if they were for that then i wouldn't say anything. no matter what you say, its still unnatural.

  • @tyler2june

    But you say, that's where your contradiction lies. 2 people of the same sex being together on an emotional or (pardong the coin of phrase here) biblical level by definition are homosexual. yet you say that even though they are are born this way, to be attracted to each other, that it's still unnatural? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

  • @tyler2june

    Not to metnion the fact that you claim you have nothing against gays and yet you sit there and pass judgement on what we do in the privacy of our own homes?

    Noone can control who they are attracted to no more than they can control who their parents are, whether they be gay straight lesbian bisexual or transexual.

    As a matter of nature, we are born this way and thus cannot be claimed as an unnatural occurance. Uncommon, perhaps. But not unnatural. This is the truth.

  • @GojyotheFeared its unnatural because a penis is made for a vagina and not another man. just like havin sex with animals would be unatural. (not saying gays are animals) just an example.i don't have a problem with gay people. but i do think its unnatural. i know its not their fault. if someone was born with 3 arms. thats an unnatural occurence. but its not their fault they were born that way. thats what im saying.

  • @tyler2june

    It's natural because it goes to genetics. What part of your brain is preventing you from comprehending this?

  • @GojyotheFeared its not genetic. you cant pass that down. its random. you can keep talking but a PENIS IS STILL MADE FOR A VAGINA. goin against that is unnatural. understand that. and thats pretty simple

  • @tyler2june

    Actually, it is. In fact, studies have even shown that not only do the majority of gay people share common aspects in certain chromosomes, but there is a significant natural difference in the brain when comparing gays and lesbians to those of heterosexuals and that it is not some kind of defect or disease.

  • @tyler2june

    And again, you cannot rule homosexuality as being unnatural as it too exists within nature as many species within the animal kingdom have been documented as having animals that have same sex intercourse.

    It's called curbing a growing population to prevent the overpopulation of the species.

  • @GojyotheFeared well being born with 3 arms is unnatural but it happens

  • @tyler2june

    Again, you're doing something that is completely and utterly absurd by trying to compare something natural to something that is unnatural.

    Homosexuality=natural.

    retardation=unnatural.

    Heterosexuality=natural

    drug adictions=unnatural.

    Attraction to someone=natural

    Born with a third arm=unnatural

    Face it. You're a bigot and you just can't stand that someone likes something you don't.

    All you're doing is being an idiot about something that doesn't effect you.

  • @GojyotheFeared ok. drugs are unnatural.addictions are NOT. people are addicted to lots of things. its a choice like i said.not born with a addiction. You say you wanted to be treated equally and yet you pass judgment on me. who the fuck are you? im not a bigot. never said i was. so don't ever put words in my mouth.your never gonna change anyone's perception like that. im sayin that i see why people say its unnatural. that's my opinion. don't care if you don't like that. i believe im right.

  • @tyler2june

    Yet people are addicted to them non the less. Why? Because in a lot of situations they have no choice because their bodies are subjected to it before they are even born. For these people, no, drugs and alcohol is not a choice. Once they get older, or if the state intervenes and puts them into child welfare, then it becomes a choice after they undergo treatments to kick the addiction.

  • @tyler2june

    As for homosexuality being a choice, well, in part, you are right. Because people can choose to accept themselves for who they are or choose to cave in to the pressures of an unrelenting society because let's face it. No matter what nation we're talking about here, People aren't the most accepting of creatures, hence all the wars and all the brutal treatment to those that are different than them such as goes along with the KKK and other fanaticals.

  • @tyler2june

    However, people are still born gay and many studies have proven this, at least in part. Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you. Doesn't really matter to me. But keep responding to me on a public vid on a public site and you'll get a response from me in turn.

  • @tyler2june

    Homosexuality is a natural part of life. The sooner you accept this and stop trying to force people to live accoring to your way of thinking, the sooner this whole arguement will end.

    People are not going to stop living how they they choose to live in conjuction with how they are programmed to live just because you tell them to.

  • @GojyotheFeared now, one definiton of unnatural is : contrary to the laws or course of nature. so BY definiton, homosexuality, is very unnatural. and i guess you are kinda right with what u said about people not wanting childeren but that is still a choice, just uncommon. My teacher has no kids. hes like 60. uncommon, i wouldn't say unnatural. I don't have a problem with gays, but it is unnatural, no matter what. and thats true.

  • i dont hate straights .....i feel sorry for them, because they are not having fun...lol

  • oh i love this video baaaaaaaaaaaaaam

  • Man & Woman,

    That's how its meant to be.. you have to agree with this, thats why some people say its a choice.

    If you were born this way, would you call youself a Mistake? an error? something wrong with you?... Most people would, and the truth is, yes...

    However, I think these a dangerous thoughts and should not bring a person down, we just have to except them, sadly someone don't approve this.. which is why I believe you are making these vids.

    -From a Hetrophile, I'm just being honest.

  • M&Ms? lulwut

  • You never played homo house? XD

    When I was little me and my best friend would, we'd both be the mommy and we'd get some kid to be the baby. XD

    We sure turned out well huh? XDDD

    Ok, I'm straight, but idk about her.

    I agree with you though. XD

  • I am not god and not my place to say what wrong are right GOD says no sin is GREATER then the other.......

  • I don't hate gays-----I feel sorry for them.....because its not natural....you can not reproduce yourselves, and in many ancient cultures they were stoned to death or discarded to the OTHER animals. Point is you cited older cultures...but they were highly modernized and not in anyway natural because society in definition is not natural. It is man-made ...an agreement amongst individuals. Homosexuality is not natural..two groups of people on an island....1 gay ...1 not gay 80yrs..no more gays :)

  • @Backyardninja76 did you ever stop to think that homosexuality is simply natural population control? if a certain percentage of the population are incapable of reproducing that gives a proportionate measure of natural control of population growth. Without it, we'd be overpopulated, and society would suffer as a result.

  • kinda scary with the black background but good points..

  • good job!

    but the haters will not listen they will not come out of there box.

    to see there are many diffrent ways in this world.

    I say as long as it harms none do as you will.

  • <3 i love this

  • great vid. I loved all the points that you made.

  • glad you enjoyed it

  • bullshit. how many gay people do you personally know? not many IF any. there are many gay people that have changed the world for the better.

  • and you are an ass hole who is steriotyping people.

    You should NOT Hate any one.

  • Agreed.

    You really can't pick out a LGBT person.

    Or a heterosexual person.

    I'm bisexual and I get mostly male attention because I guess I look more straight.

    Even when I look like a boy.

    ... I feel kinda embarrassed for them then.

    My college actually started up a club so that LGBT persons will have a... relatively safe environment to speak.

    ... But some of the people there are hypocrites themselves, so.

    But it' s just great to get the word out, even though it's a really small club right now.

  • _YOURFREEGAYWEBSITE...C0M_ this is the funiest thing ever hahah

  • You are so right:D

    Oh for gods sake

    stop telling us gay porn sites xO

  • THANK YOU for making this awesome vid! :)

  • _YOURFREEGAYWEBSITE.C0M_ great video as ever!! x, snapes in that new sweeny todd film so is bellatrix outa the 5th movie and wormtail lol

  • -applause- that last part was my favorite. Wonderful video!

  • cool

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  • Propaganda

  • _HORNYLESBIANGIRLS(DOT)INFO_ Hot except for? those ugly tatoos!

  • Haha my family would say that you're possessed by a demon or something for thinking the way you do. What ignorant people they are. 5 stars.

  • truE true on that :o)

  • Hahahahahahaha... I love this woman, quite a nice way of making things clear to straight people

  • Thank you axelthecrow

  • great vid!

  • Well Done!!

  • HOMOSEXUAL HOUSE!! I laughed for an hour over that one!!

    The only "& M"'s I like are the kind with an "M" before the "& M's"

    ANYONE who molests a child, or has sex with someone against their will is SICK and TWISTED! I don't think public hangings are good enough for assholes like that!

  • OMFG I LOVE THIS VIDEO!! *FAVES* you are awesome!!

    XoxoX

    NacolleMarie aka MissGrace

  • Whats wrong with M&M's.

  • Accept your self and others.

  • Every one should be free to be who they truly are and love who they wish. As a strait person I think gays make the world more interesting.

  • right u cant get into the hole sadist thing so whould u say being a sadist is unnaturall and whould u say they make a choice to be sadists or not this being to stephstance(obviously cos shes the one who posted the vid)

  • sexual gratification via pain? hummm

    who would volunteer for that?

    it would have to be natural,for them.

  • I pretty much so agree with what you say but in terms of gays not fitting a stereotype of being sex atypical: A study was done by Ivanka Savic in Sweden recenty that claimed that in terms of the number of neuron-connections in the right and left sides of the amygdala in the brain, straight men were like homosexual women and straight women were like straight men in this area

  • holy crap, good points =]

    i accept alot of homosexuals, i cant stand the ones who are so flamboyant, if u know what im talking about, i mean the flamboyant ones who always ALWAYS talk about dicks, maybe its the age i have no idea, but the gay guys i tend to hang out with, theyre chill and seriously u would never know they were gay, and they keep their sexual talk out of everyone else's business. those are the non flamboyant ones, and those are the ones that i respect out of them all.. shit =]

  • Very well said, 5/5.

  • Agreed

  • Well said Steph, although a little fetish never hurt hehehe Wink ~ Ms BT oxo

  • This is just GREAT Steph! 5*****

  • you soooo sweet sweetqueento3

  • Bravo!!

  • ty very much

  • Excellent video! The truth is often too much for some people to handle!! PRIDE!!!

  • Yeah!!

  • Great Video...always a pleasure watching your stuff..

    ~holly~

  • thank you holly

  • I just found your page, this is the first video of yours I watched and subbed. My partner and I have been together five years now and it's so refreshing to find such open mindedness in videos like yours...you're wonderful!!

    Hugs,

    Jack

  • Thanks Jack... :o)

  • Great video Steph

  • And I would also like to point that while it may be true that 90% of child molesters are heterosexuals, the US homosexual population is anywhere from 2% to 10% depending on the source you're using. This either means that peoohilia is ten times worse among heterosexuals or is equal to that of homosexuals, so without more accurate and reliable data, I'd suggest that your contention has yet to be proven to be anything more than an accusation at best.

  • Mental health professional agree that pedophilia is a disease. Homosexuality is not. None of what makes homosexuality a normal variation of human sexuality applies to pedophilia.

    In 82% of cases, the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child. Using the data from our study, the 95% confidence limits, of the risk children would identify recognizably homosexual adults as the potential abuser, are from 0% to 3.1%.

  • Carole Jenny, MD, Head of the Division of Child Maltreatment at Brown University, in a 1994 article entitled "Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?"

    The American Psychological Association states in its 2001 website article "Understanding Child Sexual Abuse: Education, Prevention, and Recovery":

    Despite a common myth, homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are."

  • Again, I'm not arguing that point. My point is that YOU emphasized that NINTY percent are heterosexual. And depending on who's figures you use, that's either a rate that's TEN times the rate of gay people (assuming a 2% population) or is equal on a pecentage basis (if the gay popluation of the US is 90% straight, 10% gay.)

  • I'm not arguing what's a disease. I'm stating this occurs either tenfold or approximately the same equal to the population of gay/straight. Again, figures can vary wildly and while the actions are abhorent, no case has been made tying sexuality (gay or straight) as the primary factor in whether one becomes a pedophile. There's more than ancedotal evidence pointing to early sexual abuse or ongoing sexual exposure of child, that creates an ongoing pattern of abuse from generation to generation.

  • Science has accounted for and studied some 2 million species, and only 1,500 have shown any 'gay' behaviors (not sexual acts, just 'behaviors'). That's 0.075% of known species (less than 1/10th of 1%) have shown such behavior. That's statistically insignificant and points more to being an aberration or 'freak' of nature. How can we justify using animal behavior to rationalize ours? Some animals eat their young, is this considered natural for humans too? Perhaps gay being 'natural' is the myth.

  • It is an unchosen orientation which is normal and natural for a minority of adults, fixed, and is accepted by God. It is neither a mental disorder or an addiction.

    Homosexuality & heterosexuality are likely to be the result of an interaction of several different factors, including genetics, hormonal & environmental factors. Psychological & social influences alone cannot cause homosexuality." PFLAG Oakland - East Bay

  • I never said it was a 'choice'. i'm claiming it's an unintentional occurance, just as many others things that occur during birth.

    I agree that God accepts the orientation, just as he accepts all of man's shortcomings. That doesn'y imply he accepts the behavior as obedient to his will.

  • Is homosexual behavior normal and natural?

    This of course depends upon your definition of "normal". Homosexual behavior certainly does not feel normal or natural for heterosexuals; they often have strong feelings of revulsion towards the idea. Similarly, heterosexual behavior does not feel natural for homosexuals. Both homosexual and heterosexual behavior feels natural to persons with bisexual orientation.

  • I don't doubt that it does feel 'normal' to the person who'd living that life, just like being born blind feels natural to a blind person. My point is that it's pointless and to argue that nature intended for some to be blind when others can see or that it intended same sex relationships when we're obviously built to procreate with the opposite sex. There are 'freaks of nature' with unintended characteristics, and given the miniscule numbers, I feel homosexuality falls into that category too.

  • stating that we are 'freaks of nature' is not a positive statement.I do not feel I am a freak in any way.Nor does my sister,mother,nieces or nephew.

    The word freak is usually used to refer to a person with an unusual something about their appearance or behavior.I behave normally in every way ,except for who I make love with.I am sure if web cams were in heterosexuals bedrooms we would find many Freaks.

  • Agrees, I don't like the word either but there are few words that can convey the essense of being different than what may have intended. This doesn't have to used as a perjorative. "Freak" continues to be used to describe mutations in plants and animals, i.e. "freaks of nature, or freak occurance.

  • The way to bust myths is to get the facts out there. We had a couple of gay ducks visiting us when we were on holiday - they mustn't have been listening to the myths 'cos they seemed very happy together! Cheers, Lesley

  • :-)

  • 5starts babe! awsome!good topic,i think we all`s just human~know what i mean,vern')~((hugs))~peace and love to ya;;)~heidi

  • damn Heidijo.... resend your number please????

  • Well done. You're my hero :)

  • mmmmmmwah Danny!

  • I miss you too girlfriend.

  • My only response: Faggots are faggots nothing more!

  • Simply A Anti-Gay Slur ... nothing more

  • Why thank you, faggot!

    Yes, I'm indeed a gay-hater, how did you know that? You must be so smart, being proud on yourself. All normal person knows that homosexuality is a decision, it's a mental illness, nobody borns that way, you faggots made this up so that the society could accpet you, but one thing you forgot! We are the major in the society, and you are the tiny little minor.

  • did you mean "people"?

    I have never heard it put this way,"nobody borns that way"?

    You are not the majority!You are the few who dislike who YOU are,that's why you hate something that does not directly effect you.

    "I am NOT a Fagot"!

    I AM A LESBIAN!

  • Lesbian, gay it's the same for me, the words are different. Lesbian and gay are homosexuality. Yes, we straight people are the major, we are much more than you. No, we hate for your disgusting sexual life, and you showing it if it's OK, but it's not. Effects me what? Tell me? I live in a country where morality is much stronger than in the "toleratable" west.

  • "You are the few who dislike who YOU are," This makes no sense! Come on, live in reality, you know that this is a gay-bashing world.

  • As always Steph - very astute observations and stats. And the way you present things is intelligent, interesting and precise. Now if only people would listen and ACT accordingly without malice.

  • Hi, I'm JeriLynn, and I'm heterosexual.

    I heart stephstance :P

  • In my experience, most homosexual men fit the stereotype. At least 90%. I personally do not think that one is a myth. I believe one is born gay, and therefore, born to act more masculine or feminine. The key lies in the brain, and how it responded to hormones during development. How we look, act, sound, feel, AND love, ls all based on brain biochemistry and physiology, with environmental changes of course, that solidifies who we eventually become. "Nature v. Nurture". Both are critical

  • I can see this... I am extremely happy that my chemicals did what they did to me... :o)

  • I hope it gives one person something to think about

  • Great video. I'm beginning to wonder if pedophilia is a sort of domination sickness or something. That however is one thing that I do believe is mostly caused by early life experiences. At least the ones I know of. Sad, self propagating sickness.

  • This may be true but once you are an adult,you know right from wrong...

  • Knowing right from wrong doesn't help a lot for people who are so drawn to that sickness. From what I have read it's like heroin - except they can fight it for a long time before giving in. Wouldn't it be nice if there were a cure? It's not about sex - it's about control - so in that way it's similar to guys who beat their wives or some folk who can't do without the kinky stuff. I agree that it has to be stopped, but would prefer treatment to punishment for the offenders.

  • treatment would be on going and I personally view it a bit differently...

    I believe all sex offenders should be limited in their movement and under constant monitoring.

    Just how I feel....

  • Yeah, treatment would probably be a lifetime. I judge sexual offenses against children differently than some other things - accidental exposure, underage sex, stuff like that. It's so much worse and has a lifetime of negative affects. Great topic - I enjoyed the discussion and all the comments. Well done.

  • Actually, God is a homosexual....have you ever heard of a Mrs. God or a Madame God...or even a Ms. God. This proves God is queer, but don't hold that against him...or is it her?

  • Lol, unfortunetly my family who hates me for this does not live near me. They also refuse to talk to me.

    I dont understand why my sexuality would be such a factor in my families life... Creepy o_O

  • Great video. A lot of my family shuns me for being bi sexual. I wish I could show them all this video (:

    And LOL @ Homosexual house XD

  • pull there asses on over to the screen!!!

  • aw steph marry me?! :P

    jk the hubby would get jealous haha

    love this video, some people just offend my senses to no limit, I don't understand how someone would choose to be gay... like wake up in the morning *yawn* "I feel like having limited rights and being loathed by everyone today! yaaaaaay!" ugh..

    <3 you!

    Nick

  • I love your humor... thanks Nick

  • i lve steph stance

  • Mwahhhhh!! dance for me!!

  • if you had done a video showing yourself I would take you seriously but you have nothing so I take it as nothing.

  • Great vid, all points well taken and I totally agree with your stance, people need to get with the times and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing in the bedroom.

  • wow, what a thing to say to someone

  • MIKMA WAS HERE

  • GOSH!! DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE A BABY STEPH AND YOU COULD FINALLY MOVE YOUR ARMS AND THEY PUT A BELL IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU RANG ONE SIDE IF YOU WERE STRAIGHT OR THE OTHER SIDE IF YOU WERE GAY?? THAT'S WHAT THEM MORONS ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY SAY YOU CHOSE THIS!! SHIT! I MEAN OMG!! WE ALL REMEMBER THAT! That mentality sickens me!!

  • I have gay male cats, it's true they don't mate with females. I don't know why people don't get it. They actually think people choose to be gay and be ridiculed?

    Sis.

  • Gay Pussy??? woW LOL

  • Hey I had a gay dog, so I know that its is natural!! My dog would only try to hump other male dogs, I swear to Jesus!!

    Also as far as the pediphoile thing, what diffence does that really make, as a mom of 3 boys, wether or not the pervet was straight or gay would me jack shit to me, the fact he is a pervert is what I give a shit about.

    Im not gay, but my dear uncle who died was gay, and he was an amazing man, who was treated horribly by stupid people, who believe this bullshit.. :)

  • MrsMcD1 unfortunately I often hear people call pedophiles Gay and it pisses me off because It is not true.Those are sick people,they are destroying a child.

  • great video steph!

    good points too, you would think that adults could tell facts and myths apart but apparently not all of us grown folks know the truth from bullshit.

  • maybe we should get John Stossel to do a segment on this...???

  • Good video, Hon. Your channel is always relevant and interesting.

  • maybe you got a few people out of the dark with this one Steph...Good Job!

  • It's amazing how many people still believe some of these myths.

  • because they want too......

  • "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common"

    WoooHooo let's hear it for Dorothy Parker!

  • Good one!

  • love LOVE this!

  • Are you saying that anyone who dissents about your view of fags is a biggot

  • wooo The Offensive slang in that statement is a sure sign of a BIGOT. Unless you are talking about a cigarette.Intolerant are we?

  • pretty much..yeah

  • Do you think Ernie and Burt were gay? I mean they they were "roommates" who shared A bedroom.

  • embrace the GAY within!!!!

    embrace it!!!!

  • IS that snap thingy in a Z formation found on a gay gene?

  • I do mine in a magic sway. :o)

  • Do all gay people know all the words to YMCA and We are Family? ( Assuming they are over 30)

  • let me see here....

    we are family,

    I got all my sisters with me

    We are family

    Get up ev'rybody and sing

    Ev'ryone can see we're together

    As we walk on by

    Yep,I would say so! lol

  • Hey STeph, Is it true when GAY people take a shower they turn rainbow color?

  • ummm I just turn green.... lol

  • Homosexuality seems more acceptable among ladies than men in my regard.

  • I wonder why that is dem0nter

  • Homosexuality is feminine and therefore suits women far more than men. Society will render a feminine man not right.

    Anyways, there's one more thing to think about: God created man kind suitable for sexual reproduction and didn't intend humanity do it "another way".

  • when i was younger i would play house with my cousins and a few other kids on the block... my female cousin use to yell out fast and loud "i'm the dad" and wave her hand in the air hehehe she came out of the closet when she turned 18.

  • i kno sum gay folks who need to watch this

  • I LOVE when you do this kind of video! Very well said! =D

  • I played gay house and it was goood! Great Video StephStance.

  • woW I wish I had ygjeff21

  • I know for a fact that it wasn't a choice for me. In fact, my very first memory is of me sitting on my front porch at 5 years old singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" Yep, I've always been a friend of Dororthy.

    Great video, Steph!

  • First they say it doesn't exist in nature so it isn't natural. When you PROVE it does exist in nature, they say "What, are you trying to be like a filthy animal now?" It doesn't matter what you point out or prove, they will flip it to their side.

  • the par that people forget is we are ANIMALS...

  • Wow, thanks for posting this.

  • you are welcome katlovespirates

  • I thought beatings in the bedroom was normal??

    um...nevermind, great video Steph. LOL

  • You been eating to many M&Ms Kim!!

  • Well done, Steph! These myths are so lame, and so easily shot down. I suppose they continue to exist because homophobes desperately need something to hang onto, even if it's wrong.

    Moosie

  • I would agree with you anmoose

  • {{{Steph}}}

    I had a conversation with a group of senior-citizen friends of mine last week. The majority of them (everybody but me) said that "gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage" etc.

    It's my opinion that divorce is a MUCH bigger threat to "traditional" marriage. What do you think?

    One guy even said (and most agreed with him) that "they already have commitment ceremonies; why do they want to call it marriage?" I call that a back-of-the-bus argument if there ever was one.

  • personally I do not care what it's called, I just want the same benefits hetro couples have...

  • Me too. Sucks being a male lesbian. :)