Return of the Handlers (2/3) - St. Louis Anonymous - April 11, 2009

[SuperCODPlayer]

PLus imo the masks not only protect their identiies, but also send a message that they're many people on board with Anonymous and their cause.

[66kompis]

This guy is very expressive with his gestures, being that most scientology talk and walk like zoombies, maybe he's new.

It's pretty funny watching him put his foot in his mouth, great video!!

[quitejaded]

Ugh some of these guys talking are full of shit. Just admit you are wearing the masks because you're an internet addict. For your protection, my ass. You can do the same thing with the masks on or off.

[agellve]

Yes that it is true it is not a closely guarded "copyright" secret but that doesn't stop people from knowing this closely guarded secret or someone to research into the faith they wish to join and I know they lie to them to pull them in and get their money well I don't see the problem because they choose to blindly follow and then continue to blindly follow even after finding out the truth. but they believe strongly enough who I'm I to say leave or what you hold dear as your faith is wrong.

[ThetanBait]

So are you acknowledging that this is not a simple contradiction as in all faiths, but rather a deliberate deception? That was the original point of discussion, and it seems like you've conceded the point.

[agellve]

I'm sorry that my sarcasm did not come through but I was only conveying what you repeatedly keep telling me. Trust that I did not concede the point which might I add was not about Scientology's "deliberate deception" but about the contradiction/deceptions in all faiths.

[ThetanBait]

Sorry I missed your sarcasm, because I thought we were having a serious discussion. And since you abruptly changed the topic to whether we should be critical of deception in religion, I assumed you were leaving the previous topic to rest.

Your chosen example of a comparable 'contradiction/deception' was celebrating Christmas on the winter equinox, which you did concede was not a copyrighted secret like the Xenu story. That remains a poor comparison; feel free to provide a better one.

[agellve]

He didn't deny the fact of contradiction he just pointed out the fact that there contradiction in all faiths.

[ThetanBait]

Tommy Davis went from denying the Xenu story to acknowledging it as a core belief. As I pointed out, that's not a simple contradiction, that's outright dishonesty.

[agellve]

I'm not trying to defend the action of Tommy Davis or argue weather are not it was out right dishonesty. I'm just informing you that neither was the guy on the video he was only trying to point out the contradiction or "dishonesty" in all religions similar to Scientology.

[ThetanBait]

You don't need to argue whether or not it is outright dishonesty -- because it obviously is.

I'm informing you the contradictions in all religions are not similar to the dishonesty on display here. Scientology recruiters routinely tell newcomers that Scientology is compatible with any other religion; only years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later does one find out that other religions are in fact false memories implanted in us by Xenu.

That is dishonesty, not a "contradiction".

[agellve]

Well many religions in one time or other has had dishonesty spread in the form of that religion such as Christmas is not really Christ birthday but was celebrated on that day for pagans to join the religion although this is not as serious a crime that you accuse Scientology of it still stands as a false hood told to join the faith and upon learning of said false hood if a person still chooses to stay then that is their choice. In which I must point out I was not originally discussing.

[ThetanBait]

If I understand correctly, the point you were originally discussing was that all religions have contradictions. I'm not disputing that. As far as Christianity celebrating Christmas in conjunction with the pagan winter equinox: This is not some closely guarded, "copyrighted" secret which is only revealed after one has given thousands of dollars to a Christian church.

[ThetanBait]

Furthermore, there are no repercussions for leaving a Christian church or publicizing any perceived "falsehoods".

By contrast: Arnie Lerma left Scientology after learning OT III, and put the Xenu story on the internet. Scientology retaliated by obtaining an FBI search warrant and confiscating his computer.

Up until now, Scientology has publicly denied the Xenu story while simultaneously charging members money to learn it. The pagan origin of Christmas is a poor comparison.

[TellyBumsquat]

There's been an upside to masks too. A lot of people, when they see a protest, they won't even read a sign or try to figure what it is about. They think it is a localized wage or labor dispute.

When they see the masks, it makes them curious. And if they are curious enough to read the story of Paulette Cooper, or go to the Xenu website, they then understand the masks, and the dimensions of criminality and insanity in Scientology. Scilons believe they are above the law, and some do nutty things.

[analyzingfunny]

That dude is such a programmed fuck. It is like talking to a brick wall. He dont respond he is attacking, but real subtley.

[mollie2810]

Agree with you. But then at least they dare talking with the protesters and therefore do better than all the others.