Revolt Reloaded: Ousted Kyrgyz leader on vicious circle of coups

[7Erkin7]

А этот куда ещё лезет...такая же чмошная морда!!!

[udacha88]

Why did they interview Akaev, no difference between bakiev and akaev.

[DmitryDaren]

his face needs tome make-up, like the people did to the security minister.

[IconoclastWanderlust]

Russians have a nerve to talk about murdered journalists. How many hundreds were killed in the last 10 years?

[xMaXiMuSx]

@IconoclastWanderlust

those were killed by Berezovski though.

[nema1218]

Good thing Kurmanbek Bakiyev was overthrown,he should resign soon because he is not helping matters,and he is making a fool of himself.The Western backed revolution that started in 2005 is now finished.Hopefully Kyrgyzstan will become a democracy in a region that is autocratic.Kyrgyzstan should not be controlled by any country,and I ma sick and tired about media reports concerning what will happen to the Manas airbase.Who cares,the Kyrgyz people are important.

[RussianDefender100]

simple western sponsored " TULIP REVOLUTION "

was based on lies, only western trash countries benefited from the revolution and

upper government benefiting from bribed money from the Criminal Yanks.

I Hope Georgia will be next. :))

[franklikespolitics]

The best I can hope for is that based on Roza's intentions to "work with the same regime", that revolt the continue, to remove Roza as interim president, and put someone that promises to destroy all remnants of the old regime. One that promises to kick all US and Russian interests out of Kyrgyzstan, which are at the core of the problem to begin with. New president should declare solidarity with Chechynian rebels and the Taleban. Favoring an Afghanistan without a fraudulently elected leader.

[franklikespolitics]

Quoting from todays BBC article, shows how Roza will continue business as usual.

"Ms Otunbayeva confirmed that the Kyrgyz administration will honour previous agreements regarding the Manas transit centre," he said.

Ms Otunbayeva, a former foreign minister, earlier told the BBC's Kyrgyz service that her interim government would keep to its international commitments.

"We'll work in the same regime, the same manner which the work has been done," she said.

Please read the whole article!

[amerikaner101]

OMG I SAID IT B$ AND KNEW IT!!

thanks to russia...^^^ see that?

now the russians are gona step in and take over and deny acces to build a military base for the USA

DAM RUSSIANS dint u have enough by annexing georgia?

FREE GEORGIA!

[kgzgrl]

I have a new found respect for Askar Akaev. He was not so popular in Kyrgyzstan in the last few years of his reign, but at least he was an intellectual. I heard Bakiev's interview on Echo Moskvi, and the way he speaks is just embarrassing. I do not have any romantic thoughts about new leadership. Kyrgyz people are afraid that history will repeat itself AGAIN. All I can do is hope for the best.

[bakytaska]

hehe "I am a scientist".

[AndrewMacedonia]

they should not allow the president to come back .... what a fucking  coward ordering his troops to shoot on un armed civilians fuck that fat pig

[franklikespolitics]

@AndrewMacedonia While I don't do sex with pigs. :-), i agree he not only should not be allowed to come back, Roza should not be begging him to step down. She should tell him, buddy, you got 24 hours to exit the country, otherwise you will go on trial for treason against the people and be hung. We will be that nice to you, allowing you a safe exit, take it or leave it. I think trusting Roza who is from the same government should be done with very much caution, if it all.

[Th3Wab3]

when you join the military you sign away any ability and right to think or use your brain...

[Peadarisback]

westren style goverment's are nesscarly democtratic or economicly better.

Actually the latest wars and economic downfall around the world has painted a slightly different picture in my mind at least.

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback I wonder when you say "Western style" you mean with a Capitalist economic system?

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics yes when I say "Westren style" I mean capitalism.

Though perhaps that's narrow-minded of me as there are eastren capitalist countries now as well and all over the place but I was refering to America as the prime capitalist country there.

And I meant "aren't" nesscarly democtratic.

Capitalism is just as bad as socialism when it comes to dictatorships.

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback I commend you for seeing that both socialism and capitalism are dictatorships. I don't know if you are American, but few Americans could would arrive at that advanced conclusion. Marx and Lenin, and I must add myself, make no apologies for using the dictatorship of the working class over the capitalist class, and suppress it, just as it suppresses the economic and political freedom of the workingclass. If a lunatic or a gangster is holding a gun to your head, should you sht him

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics but that's the main problem....it's the exact same as capitalism in a way (socialism) it's just another class-dictatorship.

I personally believe in class reconsiliation.

And believe that neither the bourgarises or the workers are superior to each other. Shouldn't there be any system were people can just get along without puting a class steryotype over each other? The idea that there's a superior class is about as likely as there been a superior race

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback If your point of view is that workers are the ones that produce the product, and the Capitalists main job is to divide that product and keep most of it for him or her self, and that since they own the property and the tools, they have a right to do that, that is where we would disagree. Its a question of property, should the means of production, which have been produced by workers, and their product belong to them? Or belong to some one else because they have no Capital?

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback What is the State, "the state is an instrument of class rule" Lenin, when did it originate? It begun with class divided society, with slavery, he answers. The American Indians had no state. They had no prisons, whips, 357 magnums, and they ha no slaves. Obedience was based on respect of elders who were generally the tribal leaders. Cooperation was a must, in a primitive society, and the worst punishment, was being banished from the tribe. No dictatorships in this sociiety.

[Wylff]

The world is rejecting americanism.

[franklikespolitics]

@Wylff I wish it was the world is rejecting both capitalism and "globalism" or "corporatism", but best all of the above

[Wylff]

@franklikespolitics I agree, execpt about capitalism, capitalism is ok, as long as it is not in control of a society, but is controlled by it.

[franklikespolitics]

@Wylff  Capitalism cannot exist without screwing people, Marx called screwing people , Exploitation., I think Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn called workers, rent a slave. A regular slave you own, a worker you rent for some time, and then when you dont need him, you throw him away. A slave got the govt option health plan, a rent a slave, worker does not even get that. Some slaves were happy being slaves, and some rent a slaves are happy being rent a slave.

[Wylff]

@franklikespolitics Whatever you do the opposite of what Marx said, you know you are one the right track.

[franklikespolitics]

@Wylff If you are on the right track, you could explain to me how the capitalist system put the feudal system out of business, I would be very much impressed by being on "the right track", and if you don't know, I would be happy to put you on the LEFT track., which is really the correct track. :-)

[Wylff]

@franklikespolitics The left track is extremist right, the left track is the path of mass immigration to supply cheap labour to companies, it is also the racist track and genocidal track,multiculturalism is anti-white not only because it seeks to replace the natives, but because it also discriminates against the native population, Affirmative action etc, and its final goal is the genocide, the utter annihilation of its native pop.. so, eh, no thanks, I am not racist therefore I am not left.

[franklikespolitics]

@Wylff You seem to have a mixture of counter revolutionary and revolutionary essence. Capitalists import cheap labor, to boost their profits not to help the nation or the workers they import. The true American Natives, the Native Americans were replaced long ago. Right from its birth America was multi ethnic and multi cultural. It imported slaves to boost its wealth and profits. Early America suffered the pains of multi culture. If you don't believe read of the discrimination the Irish had.

[Wylff]

@franklikespolitics I am not American. I am Russian, I am referring to the entire West, and no USA has never been multicultural, multiculturalism was imposed around 70' having many different ethnicities living within the same nation and serving multiculturalism is very - very different. Multiculturalist is pro-massimmigration, meaning they are anti-worker, the left is pro-muticultural meaning the left is anti-worker, mass immigration replaces the natives, meaning left is genocidal and racist.

[franklikespolitics]

@Wylff I take it you are a Russian living in Russia? Very good if that is the case you know about Affirmative action programs. I saw those as affirmative action BONES that the ruling class tossed at whites and minorities so we would fight over them, and be blind to the class that tossed them. Why not affirmative action for all would say LENIN. Its Ironic, if you were educated in Russia, that Lenin's influence was greater on me, raised in an totally anti communist country.

[Wylff]

@franklikespolitics Yes, it is strange, socialism, use to be good, it use to mean gender - equality sovereignty and anti-racism self-determination, now they still use those terms, but they are doing the opposite, Left means, racism, both institutional AKA affirmative A. And the very concept of replacing the native populance, it means importing labour, which undercuts workers, and importing Muslims and other who view women as lesser, which means women are victimized.

[SurvivalWithBushcraf]

War within a breath it land or death.... Glad to see people will stand up when they ae pushed to far. They will not suceed in creating a utopia but hopefuly it will be better for them.

[rsnboy08]

STFU.........People know better!

[monsieurazad]

Hey LMAO George Sore ASS how's that zionist j e w world order now

hey Saak asss you're next

LMAO

I gues not everyone is as stupid as american heffers since they don't buy the zionist kontroll media horse dung like the cattle in america

[franklikespolitics]

Changing from the USA to Russia, is like changing one coin from the left hand to the right. Russia and the USA are like Siamese twins. If Russia hurts, the USA says ouch. If push came to shove, the USA would use all its forces to rescue Russia, if there was a repeat of Bolshevism in the former Soviet Union. The world is in serious trouble if most see a real political difference between Putin and Obama. Lord tell me it is not so, even if I am an Atheist.

[raazstone]

fat pig.

[franklikespolitics]

I noticed in one of the videos, a statue of what looked like Lenin. Maybe that could mean, more Marxist thought or influence remains in Krygstan. History is repeating itself. It reminds me of when the Tsarist rule opened fire on 500 peaceful demonstrators in 1905. The first attempt at socialism failed in 1905, succeeded for a few years after 1917, and is making a third attempt, however, spontaneous, it is at this point. Long live Lenin and Marx.

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics Lenin sent up a burrocratic 'red' socialist intellisgista dictatorship. Why on earth do you want to support him? He gave land to peasants and then took it off them, shot them if they disagreed and then in-directly caused a civil-war. Socialism is dead and capitalism is dying (thank God). History will not repeat itself.

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback Do you judge Lenin by what HE wrote or by what others wrote about him. Especially what others that hate communist ideas, wrote about him. If you judge him by what HE wrote, I have a lot of respect for you. if you did read something by Lenin, please feel free to share. I judge you by what you write, not by what others may right about you. I have read a few of his books and based on that, alone, would be enough to say he is the greatest philosopher since Marx.

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics I read his hanging order which he wrote where he sentenced 1,000s of "capitalists" (peasnts who didn't want to give up the small plots of land they have to him) to be hung during the civil-war.

I've also read memoir's about Lenin by Trotsky "Lenin" (1925 publication I think....it's on Marxist internet archive).

and Lenin clearly says to Trotsky in part of it that this was meant to be a dictatorship.

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback I wish you would post a link, to this hanging order, I am very much interested who is behind the link? I am not interested at what Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, said about Lenin. I want to know what you your self have read by Lenin. All of the above could be traitors of Lenin. But unless you read Lenin first hand you will never know. Not all of Lenins's books are relevant, but I would strongly recommend: The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky, and State and Revol..

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics I've a few source's for the hanging order. I read it first on wikipieda (though that is an un-reliable source at best) but I cross checked it on other sites let me find some for you.

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics I'm going to have to post the links to you over a private message if that's ok with you? For some reason youtube won't let me post links

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback I took a big chance, hoping I was not led to a website that would crash my computer. After reading your links, they bear no resemblance to Lenin's writing style. They seemed like forged documents. The alleged order was that the names be published. What newspaper, either Pravda or any other world new of this event? Even then, we could leave Lenin out for the moment, because the real issue is MARXISM not Lenin. How many people did Marx, and Engels order Hanged?

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics it's true Marx & Engles didn't order anyone's deaths...They weren't bad persey....They were just wrong with their views (IMO). Saying that I did use to be a marxist (for a while) and I've read the 'manifesto of the communist party' (communist manifesto).

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback Being that you used to be a Marxist, I must ask you, who was Paul Robeson, Lewis Henry Morgan, and how did the capitalist system put the feudal system out of business. If you can answer all those, I will give you an A for being a Marxist. And what exactly are the views Marx had, that you think are incorrect. If you know who Lewis Henry Morgan was, or what his contribution were, even if you have to google it, very good. I am glad you agree with May Day.

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics Lewis Henry Morgan was a social-studyer (antropologist).

who stuided primary functions of society...Marx, Darwin & Freud all studied him and drew influence from his work.

Paul Robenson was a famous African American singer...The first male black actor to act in a musical (Showboat) and he was also a convicted Marxist/Socialist. He was prosicuted by the US goverment who suspected him of been a revoultionary.

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback Very good, I hope others check out your response. Lewis Henry Morgan lived with the Iroquois Indians about the 1850's or so. He learned their language and came to the conclusion their society was egalitarian. Because of the way uncles and aunts were addressed, he felt it pointed to an earlier form marriage,, or group marriage, where 5 brothers might marry 5 sisters and no one really knew who the father was. Now if you would explain how the capitalist system out of business. :-)

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics sorry I'm a little confused what do you want me to explain about capitalism? And what is your response to the message I sent to you about some of my problems with Marxist thought?

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics I'm going to send you another private message with my view on the flaws of Marxism....Youtube won't let me post it here.

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics you have to take his political actions into account not just his writings. Yes he was a philospher but he was also a revoultionary, politican and eventually headed the first Soviet goverment.

His actions while he headed the goverment are questionable to say the least.

He was quite prone to tyrany when he wanted to be. Though it is questionable how much power he had with in the party at times. He still was the driving force behind the "Red terror" and "war communism"

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback The sad fact is that smart people like you, never explore Marx or Lenin, and you really don't  know what you are missing. In spite of this workers fight back, and suffer many defeats and deaths since the Capitalist system begin. Of those deaths, and hangings we seldom hear about. Those fighting for the 8 hour day that were hung by the US Government are heros in most countries, and they honor them, by celebrating May 1 as labor day.

[Peadarisback]

@franklikespolitics well yes I agree with May day and all of that but the worker's aren't the only one's who suffer. The middle classes aren't that well of (though they believe they are quite wealthy which is part of the MSM's/main stream media's plan to keep them down and to help them not revolt). Why not have a workers, middle class, upper-middle class and pesantry revoultion against the real elite class? I mean Marx and Engles were both upper-middle class (petty-bourgrasies) in their routes.

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback for all practical purposes I view society as divided into two classes, the haves and he have nots, capitalists and workers, Workers can be further divided into, low and high paid workers. Some workers are unemployed, some self employed, some may earn 100k a year, some are students, some are proffessionals. All can end in the unemployment line one day to the next. on the Capitalist side, you have wannabee capitalists, who do not have sufficient capital to rent a worker.

[franklikespolitics]

If the masses are ready for revolution, nothing can stop them, no apologist for the capitalist system, as this ex President is. He is no different than his successors. If the masses are as advanced as they seem to be, Roza, the interim president will be booted even sooner. This is the class struggle unfolding for all to see. As long as there is economic inequality, battles like this will intensify. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are predatory wars, this a peoples war. I hope they are victorious.

[navtel]

all bad political leaders should suffer the fate of the gallows.. this applies to any country anywhere.. the military does the dirty work of the leaders and that is the problem.. the military does not think it just acts.

[Dyhalto10]

@navtel

If the military was permitted to think and not just act, there would be coup d'etats everywhere. The military is an extension of the nation meant to serve the nation, not to be an independant body.

It's when the military is ordered to oppose it's own people, that's where the line must be drawn.

People need to stop blaming the military for wars and genocides. It's the people giving the orders who are to blame, and the people giving the orders can only be deposed of by us, the people.

[Peadarisback]

@navtel the problem is if all bad political leaders faced the gallow's then well there wouldn't be a lot of political leaders left.

But I agree some punishmeant is needed for them

[franklikespolitics]

@Peadarisback to a loss of political MIS leaders, I would say GOOD RIDDANCE. To the loss of an honest, revolutionary or progessive leader, I would be sad for his or her loss. All Paid politicians are whores for the rich, no matter how progressive their rhetoric., it is but HOT AIR.