Frost over the World - Irshad Manji - 01 feb 08 - Pt 3

[trappedinamadworld]

She is a soldier to shaitan...yeah girl keep kissing the ass of the west...

[coolbuddydude1]

WHY is she chosen to talk on behalf of muslims & islam when SHE DOES NOT EVEN PRAY or practice the religion????

[iraqiGak47]

how can you be muslim and lesbian at the same time

[KilluminatiMujahad]

@nirbija you fool, since you have this problem with people of faith which just happen to make up more then half the worlds population, what s your logical solution? Under Darwinian principles it would be a all out war right, and since its survival of the fittest what is there to stop me from getting to you first, be smart you fool, don't humiliate yourself, digging yourself a grave debating me eh, I'm a revert to Islam, I wasn't born into it and I chose to be a Muslim for a reason!!!

[Dreamz250]

LMAO she passed out when her girlfriend converted to christianity, She's a fake, she built a mosque to make people think that she's a good muslim, but it's only to get everyone's attention and make Islam look bad in front of the Media...

[likeitsme]

@Dreamz250 Because people who blow up buildings, kill innocent children, and rape and circumcise innocent women all in the name of Islam DON'T make Islam look bad in the media, I suppose?

Yeah, she's a HORRIBLE person for telling people to be open minded, think for themselves and avoid violent. SHE'S the one making Islam look bad in the media.

[howzindahouse]

A muslim! i dear to say......but by name yes....... hopefully god will deal with his mental illesses and her infeiliatys

[strangerlover11]

shut you bitch street whore islam corrupted you bitch read bible and how the christians bloody society become demonzied where man to man womens to womens fuckings allowed even bible preach fucking your own sister , mother and daughter go pointed that bring these demonized creature on the true path than talk about you street whore ....you just chasing for bashing....

[82shahin]

this BITCH is a fake and a sell out she can go and BURN in HELL for all i care she is like that WHORE Ayan H Ali & Wafa Sultan but unlike them she claims be a Muslim but at the same time she says that praying to GOD is blind faith she cant even make up her mind what she wants fucking THICK TWAT

[likeitsme]

@82shahin Yes exactly. She's getting us to think more about our religion and not blindly follow what other people are brainwashing us to follow. Yes yes, she's the 'thick twat', not you at all.

[KilluminatiMujahad]

We Muslims lol This lesbian is not a Muslim, you are either a Muslim or a lesbian but you cant be both. this dumb ass is a atheist or a theosophist and she is pretending to be Muslim so as to deceive ignorants.

[82shahin]

@KilluminatiMujahad

brother thats right she is a LESBIAN WHORE and used to work for a Lesbian T.V she was a faiiled journalist when she was a young and so she relised that by attacking islam and Muslims she can become a celebretty but she is a FOOL

[likeitsme]

@KilluminatiMujahad I'm sorry, I beg to differ. I think if anything, only God has the right to judge whether she's a Muslim or not. Your opinion, is well, just an opinion among many.

[MrMasomenos]

What she tries to achieve is not Islam. She needs to first understand what Islam means, before making such fundamental reforms. She is a slave of western ideology and she thinks it is better than what Islam teaches. Just because her family found their fortune in Canada, does not let her beleive that Islam needs to be like west. Islam does not need to be made perfect. Islam is already perfect. Islam is from Allah and who is better than Allah to make things perfect?

[nirbija]

1st of all, every healthy mind will recognize that ALL ideologies, religious/secular are nothing but a Bunch of Ideas that emanated from overactive IMAGINATIONS

Truth about idiotic ideology of islam? It is pure, unadulterated mental poisoning

& it is been brainwashed in unfortunate young/weak minds for far too long

What unfortunate victims like Irshad fail to appreciate is that ALL religious ideologies MUST be brainwashed while young; because mature minds WILL NOT buy the unnatural nonsense

[nirbija]

Irshad, has the 'gift of gab' & a fairly sharp intellect.

Unfortunately the mind works much like a computer: GIGO -- garbage in, garbage out. lol

BOTH islam & Irshad's thinking about islam are garbage.  And with them, Irshad makes fanciful garbage piles.

What a waste of a fine intellect.

Add to that her gender-confusion; & we have a mixed up individual

If one has a female body, one can't just 'fall in love with another female'. You either find a cock or remain as you were born -- celibate

[likeitsme]

@nirbija So... let's disregard the fact about her being a lesbian. What exactly in this particular clip did she say about Islam that constitutes as garbage? The part where we have to think, the part where we should not be violent, or the part where we must walk away and strive for peace? Her 'fine intellect' is doing a great job here in interpreting Islam.

Just face it, you're blinded by the fact that she's a lesbian to even consider that she has some good points.

[nirbija]

@likeitsme Let's not "disregard the fact that she's lesbian"; because the state of mental mix about one's identity is represented in misjudgment about other matters

If one is confused about one's own identity, it makes sense that she is going to be confused about most everything else

There is ONLY ONE WAY of interpreting the islamic insanity; & that is according to the HISTORICAL BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE who promoted arabic rubbish over the centuries

ACTION speaks louder than your 'interpretation'!

[KilluminatiMujahad]

@nirbija Forget my opinion fool, linguistically a Muslim is a person who submits to Gods will and a lesbian can not be submitting to Gods will especially if she is challenging accepted Islamic theology so good try there. Islam means submission to Gods will and a Muslim is one who submits, to challenge and to try and change what has been decreed is far from submitting.

[nirbija]

@Killuminati PRACTICALLY, muslim is one whose mind has been poisoned with the idiotic ideology of insamic insanity

muslim in terms of your so-called "god's will" means nothing to practical people

Practical people know that creatures are defined by their HISTORICAL BEHAVIOR

Creatures ARE NOT defined by whatever ideological nonsense is brainwashed in their unfortunate heads, comes from the mouth or written in some book

It is BEHAVIOR that identifes!

the lesbian needs to rid herself of islam

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Hmm. Let's see. Shall I give you the satisfaction of a reply, or tell you to go read a couple more books.

Yeah, go read a couple more books and figure it out for yourself ;)

[nirbija]

@likeitsme I wouldn't advise you to 'read more books'; because the writing in them seems to have made a fool out of you

You obviously think that books write themselves? lol

Again, ACTION speaks louder than mere words!

Who maniac muslims say they, are means LITTLE OR NOTHING!

HISTORICAL BEHAVIORS of muslims are what count with practical people

And HISTORICAL BEHAVIOR define muslims as devilish & destructive

Public chopping of heads, stoning, lashing, etc - CLEAR EXAMPLES of muslim BARBARISM

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Right... I'll just spew the useless hateful garbage that you did if I stopped reading books.

And given your preposterous idea of 'actions speaking louder than words'... well, I can assure you that if we applied that to ANY race/religion in the world, it would mean they're all barbarians and have never lived in peace.

You've obviously forgotten that moral progress takes place in every society. Do yourself a favour and read up on cultural relativism instead of sounding like a 12 year old.

[nirbija]

@likeitsme Do yourself a favor & leave the nonsensical 'cultural relativism' behind; because it is just a devilish deception that beastly beings hope to get away with while LYING about others, who WERE NEVER the barbarians muslims are!

Countless human societies have existed on the planet.

The barbarism of the arab-muslim & euro-christians are EVIL EXCEPTIONS to human existence!

No surprise at your trying to paint all humans across time to be as muslim barbarians; because LYING is a lesser evil

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Ha. Your comments just prove how educated you are. And your hate and blatant racism prove how much of a troll you are.

I won't be replying to your comments any further. To be honest, you're a hateful person filled with discrimination and for lack of a better word, evil. You're no better than the 'barbaric Muslims' you accuse.

And it's 'you're', not 'your'. Filthy worthless scum.

[nirbija]

@likeitsme 'your' happens to be the correct word, if you know the language

And emotions cannot travel cyberspace; so any 'hate' you are experiencing has to be YOUR OWN 'hate'!

You do not know history; you think that human history is about the story of two groups of criminal invaders. IT IS NOT!

The bulk of humanity do not hail from the inauspicious peninsulas of Arabia & Europe; just the bulk of the deceptive, devilish, destructive & CRIMINAL INVADERS invaders hail from those hellish places

[likeitsme]

@nirbija You're hateful because you target a group of people and think they're all evil/deceptive based on the wars and bloodshed in their past. In all your hate you've forgotten there's been bloodshed, rape and corruption across all cultures regardless of religion: Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Indian and more.

Actions do not speak louder than words as the religion itself does not always condone what its followers do. As Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.".

[nirbija]

@likeitsme It is only in your overactive imagination where 'action does not speak louder than word'

However in real life, action DOES speak louder than words

And the islamic insanity DOES 'condone the vengeance, violence & barbarism displayed by maniac muslims since the beginning!

The founder of islamic insanity was a SWORD-WIELDING TERRORIST!

The devilish & destructive actions of the founder of islam is emulated by maniac muslims followers TO THIS DAY!

islam as religion of peace, IS A LIE!

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Besides, what solution do you propose to your argument? If Muslims and Christians are so evil, how do you propose to get rid of them so you can live in peace?

Shall all of them be killed or brainwashed? By people so learned in history as you? In which case, wouldn't you become the very thing you hate without understanding?

What about your heritage? Wonder if I can point out at least a couple of times when your ancestors have been "deceptive, devilish, destructive & CRIMINAL INVADERS".

[nirbija]

@likeitsme "get rid of them so you can live in peace" is your kind of thinking, not mine

I'm never ever into 'getting rid' of anyone; when it is far easier & much better to 'get rid' of the idiotic ideologies that have been brainwashed to poisoned their unfortunate minds

Since the islamic insanity is the bigger problem at present, the next & succeeding generations can be spared its mental evils if the ideology is destroyed

Destroying the signs & symbols of islam will save succeeding generations

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Haha... yes, let's go out and destroy the signs and symbols of Islam. Surely that will end the evil and corruption in the world. You're rather intelligent and ambitious. Not to mention stupidly ideological.

Obviously, you don't consider the fact that most religions throughout history have been 'bigger problems' in their time. Funnily enough, none of them were completely wiped out.

You're really 12 years old, aren't you? :)

[nirbija]

@likeitsme You are not very bright

How do the saudis keep the christian crap out of their space?

Eliminate ALL signs & symbols: no churches, no bibles, no gathering in the name of foreign ideology

How did the Americans keep communism out of America?

How do the Chinese keep ALL foreign & idiotic ideologies out of China? No divisive, devilish & destructive euro democracy, no christian crap unless they run the churches

Obviously you have the mentality of 12 year-old; that's why you asked others

[likeitsme]

@nirbija I should have stopped honouring you with a response ages ago. What a waste of time you are.

[nirbija]

@likeitsme And if you think that the islamic insanity is responsible for "evil & corruption in the world", then eradicating ALL signs & symbols of islam to spare the next generation would do the trick.

No need to do what the turks do to Armenians or germans did to Jews to erase the jewish junk from german space; that's way too messy

For there was a time when the planet wasn't contaminated by the religious rubbish; & there will AGAIN be a time when the planet is free of foreign religious garbage

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Goodness, didn't you just prove to me and everyone else who read that junk that you're a 12 year old...

Go and read up on masturbation... even if you're not 12 it seems like that's the only action you and your small head are going to be getting for a while.

[likeitsme]

@nirbija Oh and just so you know... terrorists who destroy and corrupt in the name of Islam have a very similar view to you as well. They prefer to destroy and end all religious ideologies, signs and symbols except their own ideals, which they regard as perfect.

So yeah, you're really not alone in your opinion. Maybe you should go to Afghanistan and make some new friends.

[KilluminatiMujahad]

@nirbija Your just an idiot you fool, you refer to human beings as creatures wtf, I am a human being the highest life form, above angels and Jinn, If you choose to believe in your illogical Darwinian theory then good for you, under that ideology survival of the fittest only the strong survive, in that case life is a constant war weak and strong, there is no moral reason to fight for resources etc.. Islam teaches the strong to protect the weak and be merciful etc.. What is your solution genius?

[nirbija]

@Killuminati A 'creature' is a CREATED LIFE FORM (movable)

Practical people DO NOT care what the islamic insanity 'teaches'!

Practical people care about THE BEHAVIOR of those who have sought to promote the islamic insanity

It has been said rightly by the wise, 'the knowledge in the book stays in the book.'

koranic krap is insignificant!

Historical ACTIONS of islamists is significant! Why?

Because a book does not write or promote its contents!

Humans do by their ACTIONS!

[xplosivelilly]

she's a faithful muslim, but she questions everything, no hijab, staunch supporter of Israel, lesbian and hates Arabs to her core....hmmm actions do speak louder than words

[xplosivelilly]

uh...it's either radical or crazy liberal muslims on tv...so what about normal moderate muslims...u kno the majority?

[Jesuslily]

Irshad says Islam started as a religion of justice.. how is that when Muhammad was a phedofile and he made a massacre of a whole Jewish town.. Justice? No thanks...

[cuman79]

Your facts about Islam are as twisted in your belief, i.e. believing God had sex with a 12 year old girl to give birth to your mortal Lord and savior, so according to you God is a pedophile...IDOLATORY! and have some humility for God's sake. All the prophets warned people like you NOT to fall into the trap of idolatory.

[Jesuslily]

God did not have sex with a 12 year old. God never had sex with anyone. Mary was not 12 years old when she conceived Jesus. She was older. You talk about humility. Please.. just condemn phedofila.. say: Only a pervert would have sex with a 12 year old. I say it. Why cant you?

[cuman79]

Sorry but she was 12. And according to your way of thinking God did impregnate her if you believe Jesus was the son of God. Marriage at young age was common back then. But how can a man who is God, urinate, eat & drink to live, etc . die like a mortal and then give up hope and forefit God? More so how could he not know the final hour if he was God? Pedophilia is wrong, you should look into US history, just 150 years ago people married 4-5 year old girls. Your religion is full of idolatory.

[Jesuslily]

Okay. all you have to do is give ONE quote from the Bible saying Mariam was 12. You cant. God became man. Becoming man is not an impure thing. Islam is like gnosticism.. you battle nature. but nature is created well by God.

[cuman79]

12 according to your own christian historians and jay smith, sorry to break your illusion.

God becoming man is blasphemy, making him into a mortal or saying He has a son is idolatory- what all the prophets like Moses warned us about. That is why even Jesus didn't say he was the last messenger.

Islam against nature? Catholic priests and nuns arent even allowed to marry, as a result you have childmolestations and REAL pedophilia in your community and people are silent.

[cuman79]

And then the Bible blames Eve for the transgression and puts a curse on women whereas Islam blames Adam and Eve equally. We don't have the concept of original sin , saying that you are born with sin, that your child will go to hell/limbo if he dies. In Islam children are pure and innocent with no sin. To me its very clear which faith is pure and which one is tainted.

[pakirockstarz]

why don't you give me a verse from the KORAN the age of Ayesha when she was married? NONE.

There are only SAYINGS of a couple of people that lived during that time. What is FACT is that she was at the battle of Badr, and according to Islam, only men and women over 18 can participate in battle. Since her marriage took place after the battle, she must have been over 18.

This argument is founded on LOGIC. Not what the media has you believe, and unfortunately ignorant Muslims have tried to defend.

[arnnesa]

just because you are unable to understand the full beauty of Islam doesn't mean that you have to blind others with your useless talk.

[GARRYKINGLIVE]

what was that pronunciation of Quran meant to be!

[armghan]

Question for Irshad Manji: How much tolerant do we have to be to earn a worthless gold star from you, we did not bomb nation to Stone Age, we did not starve them to death, and we did not infected them with dangerous diseases idea of destruction.

The one (west) who did all this is well visible to all who possess eyes to see.

May you fall with your fake masters, whom you so actively protect.

[SiNNer420]

whtat a DYKE

put on ur strap on bitch and get to whatever ur weird sexual fantasies are instead of discussing religion.

BIYATCH

[Come2Sting]

She is a Lesbian

[GeorgiaIsOnMyMind]

Poor thing she can't even say "Quran" right.

[Aschahin]

Why r there only insane warmongering Radicals or insane gay Hippie Muslims on TV. Subhanallah arent there any "normal" muslims these days.

[Kamal767]

If she wasn't so annoying I think her message would actually go down quite well.

[alkh3myst]

Astaghferuallah. Murtadd. She has an appointment with the Fire.

[LoveAhlBeyt]

It seems that she is on wrong path ...she has very wrong understanding of Islam...

Astagfirulla...

[unsub777]

It's not just muslims who could learn much by listening to, and really thinking about, what this brilliant woman has to say; it is also non muslims. I am an atheist, a 'western infidel' if you wish, and I have been forced to look at these issues differently, and more intelligently after reading some of her writing. She is a real treasure in this strange time.

[damasgate]

Similar writings from a Dr. in Religious Sociology called Ali Shariati may also prove insightful for you.

[unsub777]

thank you, I will look into that.

[V4ngoghsEar]

I wonder waht type of quran she reads?

[crazysalah]

euh just a question if she is a muslim why isn't she puting the hijab(scarf)?!!!!

[dilbertgeg]

Some Jews also hate Jews who do not act or drers sufficiently Jewish, who are too liberal, who are secular who don't argue to destroy/expel Muslims/Arabs and call them Amelyk. Hebron Jews Joy video.

Likewise, some Christians condemn Christians who are secular or insufficiently Christian as "The Enemy" as in league with the Anti-Christ. (various of "Dominionist" cults)

Is all that stupid or what?? Some paths lead only to conflict and injury and war, over narrow beliefs.

[rodeo179]

she doesn't look 40

[serbianshelley]

a brave woman. I have a suggestion - as some who lives in the middle east I know that most Arabs that could have been influenced by such claims cn not understand them due to lack of knowledge of the English language. If anyone of you know people that can translate books of Irshad and other material to Arabic and spread it in the middle east - It will make a huge change. currently - Arabs and mulslims here don't hear those important voices of people like Manji, think about that!!!

[marioshriver]

You are really stupid. You make confusion between the serbian savage murders (200 000) and the arabs ...

[schoolamahaja]

If one can't determine their own personal morality, they're effectively living a lie.

If one obeys someone else's dogma, they're enslaved.

If one's days are filled with intolerance to their neighbour, they are devoid of humanity.

[fantail31]

I have enlightened Muslim friends but even they are afraid to speak out against fundamentalism. Nothing on this planet is above criticism. So many sick and twisted ideologies have been eradicated because we have spoken out: apartheid etc. A friend of mine producing a doco was in Saudi Arabia and was sickened by what she saw.She was beaten by morality police with sticks because her lips were protruding from a Burkah while trying to eat a hamburger.This is not faith this is a human rights abuse

[fantail31]

Islam is so goddamn hypocritical. With all the money that flows from oil wells towards the Mullahs and leaders in Saudi arabia and other parts of the Holy land, they could so easily fix the misery of their Muslim brethren in third world ghettos such as Palestine and Iraq. However they would lose their Holy Martyrs for the cause and we couldnt hate the Zionists as much. Fact: the number one killers of Muslims are other Muslims. This is what happens when you love your God more than your children

[bananito2]

Well i have to agree with you here in that Saudi arabs are traitors to Arabs and they kill them for oil... Iran in the other side is the new hope of the arab trying to unite arabs against the killers of humanity = ZIONIST

You are right also in the oil thing

[swamimans]

muslims are angry because they are being killed and their countries are pretty much controlled by british and american funded dictatorships. so the cartoons she talks about is false balancing. debate what? islam accepting lesbianism. u got to be kidding me. she talks in mass generalities like brigette the midget gabriel. two hideous women. fuck israel and fuck the americans who support it.

[aleenaa]

she is really sick.

[dader02]

i wanna advice this girl to a mental doctor.

[desibhoot]

or a vet

[GussGuss007]

She is a lesbian, oh my God people stop saying "that it is her private matter" I mean she cites verses from the Qur'an, doesn't she follow it, or did she just miss the verses where Allah (s.w.t) condemned and punished the people of Lot for homosexuality? seriously when people say that it is her own matter, they are trying to make the False acceptable.

[GussGuss007]

I think what she means by "Reform" is that we start gambling, drinking alcohol, and even accepting homoexuality. She tries to sound all fancy quoting verses from the Qur'an like she knows the book, well I'm pretty sure she didn't miss the verse saying homosexuality is HARAM!!!! XD Islam-haters are soo desperate these days!!!

[RimlandThesis]

What's an itijaals and a shaytaan?

[rania3830]

you know i wonder if this woman is one of the 30 small itijaals. this woman is a shaytaana. May Allah guide her to the correct path. because right no she's on the path to jahanem

[terajasoos]

o plz u really dont mean that, do u? look no body is forcing u 2 embrance anyone---but i dont believe that she is necessarily a shaytanah---yes, she is weak in some areas, her lesbianism, but who is perfect? u cant call her kaafir or shaytaan just becuz she is lesbian---yes it wrong but let Allah judge that---at least she accepts her weakness and doesnt impose it on otherz--think about it.

[rania3830]

im not calling her a shayataana based on her being a lesbian. im calling her a shaytana because she is deceiving the people. she's telling other Muslims that Quran needs to be changes or updated. and she also says the quran has been altered by man.

Allah has said the Quran is protected from changes and that the quran is for all times therefore no one should be updating the Qruan

[rania3830]

she's even friends with salman rushdie. rushdie is the one that says that the prophet Muhammed(pbuh) has made mistakes in his message. outhoubillah!

if someone claims to be a faithful muslims they mos def should not be friends with someone like salman rushdie

[salma1240]

This lady is too smart. to smart, & too cool to be a muslim, REALLY.

Last time I checked people, our Beloved "Mohammed" was only a man with a penis who fucked 4 women at once,

so please don't tell me that we Mulsim should to take lives over a man with a penies, Mohammed is not Allah, is he!

[feherman86]

Dear salma1240; she is the real thing.

I am also from Toronto and she has been outspoken with dignity and humour from high school. Many take pride that Toronto is a city with different points of view that grow in peace side by side.

There is a Mosque in Toronto that had a fire and a nearby Synagogue offered their building for Muslim prayer services until the Mosque was repaired.

Thx.

Fred in Toronto

[salma1240]

what a shame,

This lady is too wise, too smart, too cool to be a muslim, really.

Last time a checked, our Beloved "Mohammed" was only a man with a penis who fucked 4 women at once,

so please don't tell me that we Mulsim should take lives ( kill) over a man with a penies, Mohammed is not Allah, is he!

[mrshutter77]

Sorry but you can´t consider your self a Muslim and be a lesbian. Sorry your already making a mocky of the faith by being a lesbain.

[feherman86]

She can't change the why God made her you stupid bastard.

[mrshutter77]

No fuck you you are the father less bastard. She CHOOSE to be a lesbian. God didn´t make her a lesbian. She can´t be a man hating lesian and be muslim att he same time. Sorry. U are the bastard!

[mrshutter77]

Oh No You are the bastard. God didn´t amke her a lesbian, She CHOOSe to be lesbian because it is fashionable to be a lesbian. And Fuck You too! U R the bastard

[feherman86]

mrshutter77 you are so disrespectful to the teachings of Islam. I will pray for you so Allah will touch were hate filled heart.

[mrshutter77]

Oh I am not, I was just responding to you calling me a bastard, I am firm on my postion, she can say what ever she wants, but she can´t call herself a muslim. You can´t be a muslim then choose to be a lesbian. It doesn´t work that way.

[feherman86]

I am firm as well, she is a servant of Allah.

Only Allah can judge her, not you.

If she has sinned in the eyes of Allah... Allah will tend to it.

I am sure you are not perfect and without sin. She is respectful of Allah and I hope you are as well.

May God's blessings be with you.

[mrshutter77]

NO She is not the servant of God, if you choose ot be a lesbain you are not being the servant of Allah, I have right to Judge her too, she IS NOT A MUSLIM, YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF A WOMAN OF ISLAM AND BE A LESBIAN. IT LIKE CALLING YOUR SELF OS MAN OF ISLAM AND HAVINGIN ILLIGITIMATE KIDS.

[terajasoos]

mr shutter, ur wrong

if a muslim does homosexuality, lesbianism or zina, that is wrong its sin but that doesnt mean they r not muslim, they r unless they willingly declare themself non-muslim or reject allah or do shirk

[mrshutter77]

Fair enough, what I do have a problem with, is she like all queers in north America who want their prospective relifions to sanction this lifestyle, she is like that too, she wants Islam to embrace lesbianism, which to me a Mockery. As far as you comments , Fair enough. Take Care

[terajasoos]

look mrshutter

her lesbianism is her private matter---she is responsible for that on da day of judgement---however keep her lesbian lifestyle apart, i do think that she does offer some valid points on y we muslims r suffering these dayz--im not saying i agree on everything she says, but u cant deny that she does offer good analysis on some subjects. thats all.

[mrshutter77]

Like I told Terrajasoos, what I do have a problem with is that she is demanding that Islam sanction her life style. And whatever good points she might be making about Islam, her lesbian lifestyle comepltely destroys her credibiltiy and doens´t qualify her as a muslim to begin with. And shruggs off whatever good point she may be offering. She says Islam is Curropted but she herself is Curropted by Post-Modern western culture, which is anti-family.

[rania3830]

if being gay is so private for her then why is she openly gay? how can we not keep her lesbian lifestyle apart? this woman makes a claim that she is a faithful muslim. how can she be a faithful muslim when she's a lesbian? it's an oxymoron

[elshahed]

your language and the pathetic way you express yourself simply exemplifies what irshad is talking about. try to edit next time and think before you type. if you are capable of thinking, of course.

[elshahed]

this was a reply to mrshutter77's comments

[mrshutter77]

No You have a very stupid and pathetic way of expressing yourself. Why the hell do you accept lesbianism and homosexuality without question. She is not a muslim period, YOU CAN´T BE MUSLIM AND BE LESBIAN. YOU CAN´T BE A MUSLIM AND HAVE ILLIGITIMATE CHILDREN. IT THAT SIMPLE. YOU ARE THE PATHETIC ONE! JUST AS PATHETIC AND SHE!

[onehappynurse]

This woman is amazing, brave, articulate and open minded. I am so proud that she is Canadian...she wouldn't survive a minute in an Islamic country where the women are not allowed to voice their opinions. Islam began as a religion of hope and justice. It has been misunderstood. Why are modern muslims so afraid to question the Koran?

[feherman86]

Well said.

Fred in Toronto

[lilwitchmel]

Irshad is an icredible woman. How anyone could hate her for suggesting intelligent thought and peaceful debate is key to changing the state of the world for the better is beyond me.

[zenabhussein]

she has a brilliant mind. we should all understand what she's saying because it's true. I know i support her. we should not be so ignorant and follow the quran without understandin a word. i question islam without any fear, because i am a follower, i have the right to!

[Joonavainio]

As for Israel... well, Israeli are no worse people than anyone else. And no better either. We are all people. Some of us just do not murder UN observers in cold blood and still claim to be the good guys. A SLAM warhead is not guided on target by a mistake. They think we're idiots?

[Joonavainio]

And by the way, anyone even thinking of fucking with Finns or their friends as our close brethren the Danish are should first ask a Russian for an expert opinion.

[Joonavainio]

Reading this thread makes me only sad. I am secular, so I have no crusade against muslims or anyone. There are pretty screwed people in Christianity, Islam, and also secularism.

My plead to muslims is to feel proud of their scientific excellence when Europe was in the Dark Ages. Feel proud you held the candle in the dark, and do not fall into a dark age yourself.

Do not fall into the same abyss christians did. Please do not make the same mistakes the christians did. Let us be friends.

[nemsison]

sadly my friend, Islam is going through the same "dark ages" era that christianity went throuhg so I would say give it about 100 more years to become a modern religion. Goddamint we still kill people if they write a book against Islam, talk about freedom of speach.

[obscurenote]

I love how smart and articulate she is.

[minnesotaviking22302]

God bless you Irshad Manji. Thank you for standing up for Israel and seeing the light of what's really going on.

[tman007]

At least she looks hot!

[WarGuardian18]

How dare my brothers and sisters call for the death of anyone! fellow Muslims, her being a homosexual will be her burden to bear with God, not for your to wish ill or for someone to call her death. shame on you!

[feherman86]

Well said and bravo.

[countertreason]

@WarGuardian18 Good on ya.

[azhar9211]

homosexual its you who is crupted.

[zakuk77]

"Fellow Muslims"?? She ain't no Muslim! Irshad is a homosexual Zionist-funded whore who is repeating garbage that is fed to her by her masters. Muslims beware!

[jammoexii]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[buzzin1975]

He's a Muslim.  What do you expect?

[swedanica]

Oh really, and you'd have us believing your words!??

[habibti6491]

May Allah curse her!

[sifilam]

its funny how she tries to encourage others not to be blind followers while she blindly follows western ideology. none should be blindly followed except God and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). and stop labeling her as a "dedicated Muslim" because there is nothing Islamic about her.

[nemsison]

have you asked yourself why we blindly follow god and his messenger.

Just coz somthin u were raised to accept dosnt make it right.

[1934137]

My point was directed at qarnain06

[Thorpean]

intelligent lady that makes good sense and fully understands the Koran.

[atifshaikh4514]

fully eh? she humbly claimed not to be the all knowledagble the all wise....:-)

[qarnain06]

Defamation of character is a crime in Western law. The danish cartoons were exactly that. Defamation of our beloved Prophet Muhammad. The media passed it off as freedom of speech, what they really ment was that they wanted freedom to tell all the lies they want. No change then. A lie is a lie and a cause of much of the worlds suffering

[1934137]

the quran says you can lie so whats your point whats worse a cartoon or two retarded women used to blow up more than 60 moslims where is your world wide outrage and street protests to that Islam is a disease that corrupts and spreads most of the infected are beautiful people lets pray for a cure rather than surgery.

[Napstrpsx]

Look up New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. It's incredibly difficult to be convicted of defamation when it involves a public figure.

Hate to break it to you, but the cartoon was funny and isn't far from the truth. I don't know your thoughts, but most Muslims do not openly condemn the acts of Muslim terrorists. I used to be a Christian and I didn't throw a fit when people trashed Jesus or God, that's what makes America beautiful. Look at countries that don't have free speech - they have problems.

[swedanica]

Good grief... if that was so upsetting I wonder what would happened if Irshad Manji was put up in a public square and stoned to death! Would that cause similar riots?

[qarnain06]

If you cling onto a lier, you'll be duped and your money scammed and youll generally look totally stupid

[nemsison]

dude lern some english first.

[Joonavainio]

You should study "western" law better before frothing about what it is and what not. People considered to be public persons, like politicians and celebrities are exempt from the protection of normal privacy. Or are you perhaps now telling me your beloved Muhammad is not a celebrity but just the guy next door?

[salma1240]

Beloved Mohammed was only a man with a penis who fucked 4 women at once,

so please don't tell me that we Mulsim should to take lives over a man with a penies, Mohammed is not Allah, is he!

[jklasdfjdfksl]

if the western world was receptive to dialogue about hatred and discrimination towards muslims, her plan would work. the suffering and efforts of many generation of muslims towards dialogue have shown that this has not been a two way street. western mass-information systems are not interested in such talk, they just need their public relations industry to get behind the latest thrust towards imperialism.

[dansstreet]

The muslim world has been ignored for some time, but look at recent history. The western world is starting to understand the unjust war in Iraq, the injustices caused by the Israelis unto the Palestinians and other flagrant missteps in Mid-East policy. Just look at the various books by Chomsky and Jimmy Carter arguing for an end to western imperialism and mid east peace.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

protecting and encouraging hateful ideas leads to discrimination. everytime someone says something hateful against muslims, are muslims supossed to blame themselves because they do not accept a point of view that is inherently demeaning to them and targeting them to be the recipients of hate and violence? she is correct that offense and discrimination are two different things, but how can she not see the connection that hateful propaganda leads to discrimination?

[jklasdfjdfksl]

if she supports freedom of speech to insult a religion, she should also support responses to that. muslims are not the only ones who have things left to learn, and the people putting these messages out need to know that they will not have someone who will lie down and take the abuse, in order to be kicked when they are down by an establishment trying to scapegoat them for the crimes being committed by the west against the muslim world.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

dialogue is constantly being called for by the muslim world, and the UN, to create a palestinian state, with the familiar rejection and the resort to force by US/israel. talking should be the first solution, but when you are dealing with hypocrites and war aggressors who are only interested in justifying oppression, talking fails. muslims need to take it upon themselves to and decide who is willing to listen to dialogue and who is only looking to cause them suffering by using a propaganda club.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

i agree that muslims should not allow western backwards bigotry to mutilate and divide them and that dialogue is important, but muslims should not be forced to blame themselves for something being inflicted on them by an outside force. she is doing nothing more than apologizing for western crimes, muslims do not have to be told that talking works.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

she misunderstands the sources of hatred towards the muslim world and tries to attribute it to muslims; all this talk of self-responsibility falls off the face of the earth when you attempt to criticize her western sponsors. the western world created these hatreds in order to justify their conquests. they are inhereted down the western line and to ignore that and put the blame only on muslims is to be nothing more than an apologist for anti-muslim sentiment that is rabid in the western world.

[swedanica]

A little self examination goes a long way and.. so does talking!

[dansstreet]

She is supporting responses to insults, just not DEATH THREATS. This kind of "response" is not rational and isn't accepted by the rest of the world. Islam looks insane and violent when a large portion of its participants call for the death of a heretic author(rushdie) or insulting cartoonist. Violence is most definitely not the answer, no matter who is perpetrating it (be it the west or the mid-east).

[jklasdfjdfksl]

i agree with that, but the idea that this somehow affiliated only with islam, and that the west does not do similar things on a far greater level, is ridiculous. the US has been threatening iran with war and nuclear strike. the west uses ahmadinejad's denunciation of israel, palestinian celebrations, etc. to justify violent threats and wars that have and are killing millions as this woman is saying that islam brings more violent responses than the west.

[CASAUOI04]

what she is saying is not contraddicted with the core of Islam. may some of our clerics won't accept a likewise women to speak about islamic philosophy... but I really don't see any contradiction thoughs of her statement.

[AlLyddawi]

i have more respect and compassion for a drug addict or a panhandler that i do for irshad trash manji. i hate her with a passion, especially since she camefrom my ommunity and i now how retarded she is.

[khalifa987]

She is lesbian....and Muslim....You can't be both at one time....

[mrshutter77]

Sorry but you can´t be a lipstick lesbian and a muslim, they just don´t mix, you just an oppotunist and in it for the money. Sorry but queers have no place in Islam or in civilization for that matter. Go to HELL

[jaekent]

After reading these posts I realize that there are a lot of ignorant people out there. Most of them are most likely Christian and I can guarantee that none of them have read their bible and it's a shame. Is it illiteracy or just plain stupidity?

[mzjef]

im not here to give all credit to her n

i dun give a damn who she is but d message tht

she brings to us mostly to fellow muslims

is to use our multi billion dollar gift frm God, which is our powerful brain to think b4 speak n act to others. shes trying to promote d spirit of Ijtihad.

but plz guyz look on d bright side

she never asks us to not praying, to b gay,

to to blow up ourselves in a mosque but wat she's done so far 4 us r to stand up against injustice and fight for d rights of others.

[salma1240]

I agree with you MZjef,

who cares if she is gay or not gay,

she speaks the truth

[K9Farnaz]

However, what she has to say about Islam IS correct.

[thutmoseIII]

A Canadian gay is the dedicated Muslim!!!! How?

She is just for the money. There is no religion right now that accepts gays.

I don't have anything against gays.

[feherman86]

This is not true. Irshad has talked about equality even as a young girl here in Toronto.

[wasy35]

sellout...

[njk29]

Irshad Manji does NOT represent American Muslims at all! What a shame!

[feherman86]

Irshad views are actually shared by many young and educated woman here in Toronto. Not to be afraid to stand up is a great start.

[snazzysnert]

This is a very interesting point of view, but heavily Westernized.