Is it possible that historical documents were "altered" or forged many centuries after their estimated dates to make history suit a certain group of people (like organised religion)?
@EsotericWisdom33, Yes, I have no doubt that is the case, but, in this instance, why would the forgers not include a paragraph or two about the early Church? The answer is that these wrttings of Josephus were well known by the Early Church Fathers, who had already searched them in vain. That is why we suspect that the " Testimonium Flavianum" was inserted by Eusebius, who suddenly "found it" in the 4th century.
@ForBibletruth Very interesting indeed. The masses have been blinded to the truth by the controllers who have many faces but the same goal: power, money and control.
Keep up the good work. Your videos helped me more than you could ever imagine :)
My friend, the answer is simple: the nazarene are the zealots. The Christians (herodians supporters), the ones who went to Rome seeking help from Nero after getting kicked by the nazarene (the fourth philosophy): The sect of King Agrippa II.
Guess who is left after the destruction of the temple:
Sadducee : Destroyed by the zealots X
Pharisees: became popular (the sect of Flavius Josephus)
Essene: Destroyed during the revolt
Zealots: Left to the Nabateans kingdom, arabia and to Adiabena...
@00AliIbnAbiTalib00, My point was, at that point in Josephus' life, if Christianity was a major sect, with thousands of followers, as claimed in the Book of Acts, and more and more converts added daily, why didn't he notice them? This was 13 years before the removal of King Agrippa II.
Two, that because of the inclusion of gentiles, Josephus didn't regard the Jesus sect as legitimately Jewish when he was exploring which one to associate himself with. Either of these views, though, comes with their own problems.
@kevinanity, Yes, It is also quite possible that the Essenes became the Christians- their Teacher of Righteousness being reinvented as Jesus. There seems to be a number of similarities between their beliefs and practices, as described by Josephus and those of the Church as described in Acts, i.e. the sharing of wealth, the appointment of stewards or deacons. See Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 1 and Wars of the Jews, Book 2 chapter 8.
@ForBibletruth A lot of scholars take seriously the idea that John the Baptist was connected to the Essenes. Jesus may have been his disciple. He was at least baptized by him. And there are hints in the gospels of tensions between the Baptist group and the Jesus group. At any rate, I think some organic connection between the Jesus group and the Essenes is plausible. Of course, I'm no expert on the matter. And that seems to be a minority opinion among scholars.
I don't think there's any question that number of converts in Acts are inflated. And I think you are correct that the Jesus sect didn't get any mention from Josephus would suggest it was rather insignificant. Although, I do wonder about two possibilities. One, that "Essene" is a broad enough category of small sects that Josephus might have regarded those messianic Jews in that category.
@straygypsy Eh? Josephus mentions Saulus and Costobarus being around in something like 65 - 70 C.E., so even by THAT connection the difference would only be about 32 -37 years.
@straygypsy, Did I not mention Paul's arrest? This took place when Felix was Governor or Procurator. Acts 24:27 tells us this happened 2 years before Festus replaced him, putting his arrest in the year 56 CE. I have seen no evidence to suggest that Paul lived in the 2nd century. Of course, if you have uncovered evidence of that, please make a video, I'm sure many would like to hear of it.
I was thinking of the NT writings, which were written about AD 70-110, while the writings of Paul were not written until the period AD 50-60.
My point was that this would mean that the theories of Paul were already before the writers of the Gospels and "coloured" their interpretations of Jesus' activities.
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PatriotInChief 3 months ago
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Arc8609 1 year ago
@Arc8609, Adam is "Red","earth",
Seth is "set or appointed"
Enosh is "man".
Cainan is "possessor, purchaser"
Mahalalel is "to shout praise of God"
Jared "descent" or "descending" and also "Rose"-(the flower, not resurrection).
Enoch is "trained and vowed, dedicated; profound".
Methuselah is, "Man of the dart or spear", "one who was sent".
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@Arc8609, Lamech is "For Lowering; For Humiliation"(The New Open Bible Study Edition, Thomas Nelson Publishers says the name means "Wild Man")
Noah is "comfort","peaceful", "long-lived", "wanderer".
You should take the time to research these things yourself. What Chuck Missler
is teaching may sound great at first, but, it makes no sense-God cannot die.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
Is it possible that historical documents were "altered" or forged many centuries after their estimated dates to make history suit a certain group of people (like organised religion)?
EsotericWisdom33 1 year ago
@EsotericWisdom33, Yes, I have no doubt that is the case, but, in this instance, why would the forgers not include a paragraph or two about the early Church? The answer is that these wrttings of Josephus were well known by the Early Church Fathers, who had already searched them in vain. That is why we suspect that the " Testimonium Flavianum" was inserted by Eusebius, who suddenly "found it" in the 4th century.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth Very interesting indeed. The masses have been blinded to the truth by the controllers who have many faces but the same goal: power, money and control.
Keep up the good work. Your videos helped me more than you could ever imagine :)
EsotericWisdom33 1 year ago
My friend, the answer is simple: the nazarene are the zealots. The Christians (herodians supporters), the ones who went to Rome seeking help from Nero after getting kicked by the nazarene (the fourth philosophy): The sect of King Agrippa II.
Guess who is left after the destruction of the temple:
Sadducee : Destroyed by the zealots X
Pharisees: became popular (the sect of Flavius Josephus)
Essene: Destroyed during the revolt
Zealots: Left to the Nabateans kingdom, arabia and to Adiabena...
00AliIbnAbiTalib00 1 year ago
@00AliIbnAbiTalib00, My point was, at that point in Josephus' life, if Christianity was a major sect, with thousands of followers, as claimed in the Book of Acts, and more and more converts added daily, why didn't he notice them? This was 13 years before the removal of King Agrippa II.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
Two, that because of the inclusion of gentiles, Josephus didn't regard the Jesus sect as legitimately Jewish when he was exploring which one to associate himself with. Either of these views, though, comes with their own problems.
kevinanity 1 year ago
@kevinanity, Yes, It is also quite possible that the Essenes became the Christians- their Teacher of Righteousness being reinvented as Jesus. There seems to be a number of similarities between their beliefs and practices, as described by Josephus and those of the Church as described in Acts, i.e. the sharing of wealth, the appointment of stewards or deacons. See Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 1 and Wars of the Jews, Book 2 chapter 8.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth A lot of scholars take seriously the idea that John the Baptist was connected to the Essenes. Jesus may have been his disciple. He was at least baptized by him. And there are hints in the gospels of tensions between the Baptist group and the Jesus group. At any rate, I think some organic connection between the Jesus group and the Essenes is plausible. Of course, I'm no expert on the matter. And that seems to be a minority opinion among scholars.
kevinanity 1 year ago
I don't think there's any question that number of converts in Acts are inflated. And I think you are correct that the Jesus sect didn't get any mention from Josephus would suggest it was rather insignificant. Although, I do wonder about two possibilities. One, that "Essene" is a broad enough category of small sects that Josephus might have regarded those messianic Jews in that category.
kevinanity 1 year ago
Very fine points.
IWannabeJew 1 year ago
Why didn't you also add that Paul didn't come until at least 75-90 years AFTER Jesus as well?
straygypsy 1 year ago
@straygypsy Eh? Josephus mentions Saulus and Costobarus being around in something like 65 - 70 C.E., so even by THAT connection the difference would only be about 32 -37 years.
IWannabeJew 1 year ago
@straygypsy, Did I not mention Paul's arrest? This took place when Felix was Governor or Procurator. Acts 24:27 tells us this happened 2 years before Festus replaced him, putting his arrest in the year 56 CE. I have seen no evidence to suggest that Paul lived in the 2nd century. Of course, if you have uncovered evidence of that, please make a video, I'm sure many would like to hear of it.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth OOOOOOOPS! MY BAD!
I was thinking of the NT writings, which were written about AD 70-110, while the writings of Paul were not written until the period AD 50-60.
My point was that this would mean that the theories of Paul were already before the writers of the Gospels and "coloured" their interpretations of Jesus' activities.
straygypsy 1 year ago
interesting, very interesting.
kalsolarUK 1 year ago