one of the phelosopher siad THAT what is truth that is always beauty, but what is beauty that can not be always BE truth. so it won't matter if some people get mad due to thier EGos. I must add that : truth some times hurtS too. so if it BOTHERS you guys. Please don't watch it. Go and Ejoy your own belieVES.
very funny dear Forgottenmemorie 63. by your coments YOu have already defined your self. I think for people who reject truth due to their personal EGos. We have to say Peace too.
I am proud to be muslim and for my other brothers who denys these fact, I wish for them that their mind start functioning in the realization of the Facts.
I regrete for these emotionally or logically Blinded and deaf people.
@masood930 No one is Blinded or deaf, On the contrary it is Muslims that have created all these Fake miracles all of a sudden in the past 20 years just to prove Islam is right.
Islam is so pathetic they now want the help of "Science" to spread their Religion because they know Islam is dying..
@forgottenmemories63 You really don't know anything :). Quran never changed since prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. you know why? because for example: if you go and try to add 1 letter to Quran all the Muslims will destroy what u made, as well as my grand grand fathers would do and so on.. Plus we are not Christians or Jews we are Muslims we memorise the whole Holy Quran (600 pages), and when we pray if the reader miss a letter the people behind corrects it. so how anybody add a think to it?
@xnarxx I am referring not the the original verses of the Quran but these recent mins-interpretations of several Muslims in the past 20 years that relate Quranic verses with Science, Like in the video above. It is simply ridiculous.
I have seen how Muslims try really hard to try to mis-interpret any Quran verse in a Scientific way. So, What i meant was Quran needs Science. These have Scientific errors and mistakes, Your Quran may speak of God but not Science, Quran contradicts Modern Science.
@forgottenmemories63 Quran is not about science. Quran is for all people, and it contains how human born, how we came from first place. Science is a gift from Allah, and Allah knows everything. The Quran doesn't show a chemical formula or math, the Quran was talking how we came from the first place till we found out it's true. God said that there will be people no matter how you convince them they will reject you (Muhammad).... you dont need to be one of them at least read Quran and then decide.
@forgottenmemories63 This is a translation part of Quran: And We have put before them a barrier and behind them a barrier and covered them, so they do not see.@And it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.@Indeed, it is We who bring the dead to life and record what they have put forth and what they left behind, and all things We have enumerated in a clear register.
@forgottenmemories63 Now i can't show all the quran, if you want to look it up, write in Google Quran and choose the first link, i would recommend u to read Qaf chapter and then read what ever you want. When i saw Quran in English i was surprised that its different, i mean if you know Arabic you will feel the power of these words. i cant even describe it, because we used to be challenging eathother by the language not until gods words came up in a away, it is unbeatable. Read Marry chapter aswel
Can anyone name me even 1 invention/tech that has come from a country that practices sharia law in the last 200 years?... funny none have been able to do that or give me references to... seems to me sharia law is keeping people stuck in the middle ages... and that tells me that muslims want to spread ignorance
Lol that isn’t scientific its false! Or do you believe that your sperm is dirt/ terra? No? Well... the quran tell exactly that....and what a wonder, the old Greeks believed that too.... one of Mohammed’s followers was Greek...so what ;-)
Islam isn’t scientific and like every other religion, only a fray tale
@DannyAbdillah I would accept the truth if it wasn't manipulated into mis-interpreting words to make it match Modern day Science. If you read the Arabic version of Quran, Each and every word mentioned in these Fake videos is false, All words have different meanings and you can see the makers of these videos just mis-interpret words to match them to Modern Scientific Discoveries.
Just because some stupid Scientist states Quran doesn't mean I should blindly follow him, I do my research..
@DannyAbdillah So do you actually realize the consequence of this ?
I am saying that many of the things that Quran is saying is what early people before Muhammad believed.
So, Even then lets consider, Allah the Almighty somehow knew all this and mentioned in Quran because Allah has all knowledge of Past, Present and Future, Alright ?
Now, If we read these things, They are actually WRONG !!!
All Planets don't go around Earth, A Baby in Womb isn't born like how Quran tells us.
@forgottenmemories63 I am ready for any consequences from God for believing Qur'an. Nothing can hold God's will that comes to me. I surrender my life to God only. Allah, Robbul'alamin.
@DannyAbdillah And I found out none of these so called Miracle Verses in Quran are true, All are either Mis-interpreted or one word from those verses are changed from actual arabic meaning to mean something else to fool un-educated people to think Quran supports science while in reality, Quran contradicts every Scientific Fact known to man.
Where should I begin ? Creation of Life ? Evolution ? Space ? Quran is wrong in everything, Quran was just a book written by some un-educated person..
@forgottenmemories63 "none of these so called Miracle Verses in Quran are true" - Such as?
"changed from actual arabic meaning to mean something else to fool" - there is independent online dictionary, why don't try to translate your self rather than spreading lies.
"Quran contradicts every Scientific Fact known to man" - which one?
"Quran was just a book written by some un-educated person" - yes, Muhammad is un-educated person, read the book writen by un-educated dessert man 1400 years ago.
@DannyAbdillah Miracles that are untrue according to Science : Muhammad 's trip to Heaven, Muhammad's Splitting of the Moon, Allah's throne being above Kaaba,
Contradictions in Quran : More than 100+, To name a few : Mention of Flat Earth in Quran, Mountains acting as Pegs that hold the Land, Animals that speak, Quran's description of Expanding Sky (Some mistake sky as Big Bang), Contradictions in Creation Myth, Meteorites bringing Iron to Earth, Scientific Proof of Jinns etc..
@DannyAbdillah Quran has information copied from other sources :
Example 1 : The Story of Adam and Noah copied from Bible, 600 years ago.
Example 2 : The Formation of Womb was mentioned almost 1000 Years before Islam by Greek Philosophers, It is actually wrong, Blood and Bones don't form in different times but together.
Exampe 3 : Quran says Earth is Flat and Sun, Moon, Planets each orbit in their own paths in space, This was the wrong belief that Earth was the center by Greeks, 1000 yrs ago.
why do folks arguing here, the prophets hasn't been send accept to worn and whom ever take that warning to serious he did him self a favorite and whom ever turns away he is the one that ends up a hell fire. We don't need to hate each other and remember no souls take another souls fault. just to my advice. god bless to those who rightly guided .... is only Allah that guides ..
BLA BLA BLA.....ACCURACIES? THE QURAN TALKS ABOUT A PLACE QHERE THE SUN SETS AS IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT, 18:83-90. THE QURAN SAYS THAT "STARS ARE MISSILES TO SHOOT THE DEVIL", 67:5. THE QURAN TALKS ABOUT THE 7 HEAVENS, 41:12, 2:29, AL OLD, FALSE BELIEF PROVED WRONG FOR CENTURIES. THE STAGES OF THE EMBRYO IN THE QURAN ARE WRONG. THEY WERE COPIED FROM GALEN, A GREEK DOCTOR CENTURIES BEFORE THE QURAN. THE EMBRYO DOEN'T START WITH A CLOT OF BLOOD AND BONES DON'T COME BEFORE FLESH AS THE QURAN SAYS
@DictaduraNo123 Kindly, regarding the setting of the sun, the Qur'an never stated the Earth was flat and in fact has many reference directly stating it is egg shaped, as well the Qur'an never stated the embryo begins as a lump of blood, but rather just states a clot and from the clot into a lump of flesh and from the clot of flesh bones, in this order. As well it's important to note in the Arabic, the word flesh means more than skin, it includes our muscle, organs, skin and everything else.
@DictaduraNo123 Kindly, regarding the setting of the sun, the Qur'an never stated the Earth was flat and in fact has many reference directly stating it is egg shaped, as well the Qur'an never stated the embryo begins as a lump of blood, but rather just states a clot and from the clot into a lump of flesh and from the clot of flesh bones, in this order. As well it's important to note in the Arabic, the word flesh means more than skin, it includes our muscle, organs, skin and everything else.
@DictaduraNo123 Kindly, regarding the setting of the sun, the Qur'an never stated the Earth was flat and in fact has many reference directly stating it is egg shaped, as well the Qur'an never stated the embryo begins as a lump of blood, but rather just states a clot and from the clot into a lump of flesh and from the clot of flesh bones, in this order. As well it's important to note in the Arabic, the word flesh means more than skin, it includes our muscle, organs, skin and everything else.
The Quran has been changed much since it was discovered under the bed of the family of Mohammed, 350 years later. BUT, being a scientist, I discovered science is always CORRECT, TODAY, tomorrow, new investigations prove it WRONG> So, never rely on science, (scientific theory put together only 200 years ago, rely on the Christian bible.
@Eldonstromberg1 Quran has never been changed but the bible has been changed n still is being changed sciences supports Quran n Quran supports sciences! Get your facts right or continue with you ignorant arrogant lies!!!!!
@moeazysgc The quran itself may be unchanged but the tzranslations and the interpretations change all the time, so who is the ignorant liar here ? Get YOUR facts straight, before you tell others to get theirs straight.
@MrRichardQED Who cares about the translation n the interpretation is not different unless misinterpreted( their are those who interpreted how they want to interpreted)! Quran is meant to be read,understood in Arabic just like the Bible is meant too be read n understood in Hebrew but when translated into other languages changes n is misinterpreted also!!!
@moeazysgc Obviously you should inform yourself more about your own religion. The interpretations are very important, cause thats what people live by, thats what people believe. They changed a lot in the last 50 years alone,You see if a language is not your natural language you ALLWAYS have to translate, even if you speak arabic.You must realize that a word can have severall meanings, so which is the correct meaning for a certain word?That can chjange maforly what the texts say,and does so here
@MrRichardQED Quran has never changed in the Last 1400 years, period! But when translated has many different translation due to the differences in Languages but the Quran is in Arabic n can not be changed, so when translated is not good!!!!
@MrRichardQED Meaning never has changed but the interpretation when translated into other languages, imbecile! When a Verse says "God is One" in Arabic it might be interpreted differently in another language but the meaning is the same "God is One"!!! You must a dumb ass!!!!
@moeazysgc The meaning of the Quran changes when Muslims accept new meanings for words in the Quran. The Islamic science is notably based on this. For example changing the meaning of the word "alaqah" from "blood clot/leech" to "leech-like structure" (new meaning introduced by Dr. Keith Moore) so that the Quranic description would better fit modern embryology. Making up new meanings for words is not a miracle. In this context it's just lying, it's a hoax.
Why don't you open some books before you open your mouth?
Of course the Koran was changed. Uthman himself compiled a version and you can see the differences if you compare the Tashkent Koran with today's version.
And what science is in the Koran?
That Allah is responsible for thunder and lightning? That you can hit a corpse with a piece of steak and it will get up and reveal the killer? That there is a barrier between salt and sweet water?
If you were really comparing the Quran with the modern science, you will see that the Quran IS the modern sciece. modern science proven a lot of things which had actually mentioned in the Quran. who could have mention that 1400 years ago?
muhammad is not the writer of the quran. how can he write when he didnt know how to read. well IF he was the one who wrote the Quran, its surprising how he could get everything correct after 1400 years ago.
@Galasura1 there were many animals that weren't mentioned in the Qur'an! doesn't mean that we don't believe they exist! they didn't seem to have significance! they're animals :|
If the quran is really the words of whoever created this world or universe, why is it that there's no mention of DINOSAURS in a 'copied book called koran?
srsly -.- why is there such great faith in nothing.. thats right NOTHING. We WILL all die 0_o no matter in WHAT you believe. And we will all know moments of anger, despair, neglect but also happiness and theres no reason for it its just called LIFE and its NO reason to believe in something u call ''God'' because u can waste your time and thoughts on plenty other things. -i kept it friendly
@RpgMakerVXTutor you have mistaken arrogance for intelligence sir. alot of the scientific discoveries of the 20th century were found in the quran 1400 hundred years ago. and you say your scientifically literate,ha! i thought really intelligent people were humble not egotistical. and a true intellectual sees the wisdom in anything. they dont say bias remarks. they usually say" hmmm thats interesting". you have knowledge without out morality and ethics, which means you have no knowledge.
I did not know harry potter movie or book until i saw the movie or read the book. I suggest you do the same HARRYPURWO. Study the Quran and than make your choice for yourself if it is the word of god or not. If you are a scientist like these scientist on the video than your comment might hold any value. I am a scientific literate person as well and I agree with this video 100% but I do not have hate inside my heart like you do.
Omg The Quran recorded these Facts 1400 year ago... That's amazing !
The Quran also says the Devil sleeps in your Nose during the Night, Allah's Throne is right above Mecca, Shooting Stars are Demons that Allah uses to shoot down the Devils and that Allah holds the Sky dome which would otherwise fall onto the Earth LOL
There is absolutely no proof of the claim, that the Quran is the word of God. The Quran, at the time it was written by men, was an improvement over the Bible and the Torah. It borrowed ideas from both, refined them and presented them as the word of God. The fact remains, Muhammad (who was nothing more than a general) and his men formulated the Quran as a way to unite all the various tribes on the Arabian Peninsula.
@Titan16180339887 The tribes of Arabia fought against The Prophet (pbuh), the science and mathematics in the Quran are proof that it is the word of God.
@Titan16180339887 Aha lol this is a new one he was nought but a very smart general who was able to unite the arab peninsula him and his men united to produce the quran (Astaghfirullah) lol if i could group up all the different scenarios of what muhammad SAW was it would be amazing how different they would be magician mastermind general biologist astrologist traveler/collector of different ideas that happened to coincide with scientific discoveries philosopher lucky guy Prophet of God done
Since the time the Quran was written 1400 years ago, human beings have made great discoveries. Today, we know how immense the Universe really is, we understand the General theory of relativity, quantum physics, evolution and etc. Funny, “God” didn’t mention all this in the Quran. The problem with Islam and all other religions is that they are stuck in time, while our knowledge and understanding of the world has changed; religion cannot due to its fundamental nature.
The concept of roundness is also present in other words derived from "dahv." For example, the word "dahv" also refers to children dropping a ball into a hole in the ground, games involving throwing stones into holes and games played with walnuts.Words derived from that root are also used for an ostrich making a nest, cleaning stones from where it is about to lie down, the place where it lays its eggs and the egg itself.
"After that He smoothed out the earth." (Qur'an, 79:30) In the above verse, the word "daha" is used in the original Arabic. It, translated as "smoothed out," comes from the word "dahv," meaning "to spread." Although the word "dahv" also means to cover or to set out, the meaning of the verb is more than just a prosaic setting out, since it describes setting out in a circle.
@kawishosa93 Its definitly sperm, it talks about a liquid. But lets say what you say is true, then you must ask yourself if the quran contains wisdom at all, or if its just our interpretations that contain the wisdom. Also if it is ok to interprete it differently, its us that make the rules, since we interprete it in a way we want
@kawishosa93 Its definitly sperm, it talks about a liquid. But lets say what you say is true, then you must ask yourself if the quran contains wisdom at all, or if its just our interpretations that contain the wisdom. Also if it is ok to interprete it differently, its us that make the rules, since we interprete it in a way we want
@SidHenderson I know all the quran memorized but i never came upon words stating that the earth is flat. You sound like Aristotle is god or something.....those are Aristortles opinions. Man is all about opinions and views the world how it seems to him, but God.....created everything and knows what he created and not. How can Jesus be gods son if god does not have a wife. Jesus was never killed, Allah brought him to the heavens. Jesus is a prophet...he's not god or the son of god
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz You sound quite confused, not making much sense. I haven't said anything about the Quran telling what shape the earth is. Aristotle was just a man, but a very intelligent one who made some great achievements. Some of them have been proven right, some wrong.
And that's what science does, it doesn't accept things blindly like religion, it questions and demands evidence. Opinions mean nothing in science. I hope you get to the medical school, your views just might change a little.
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz And why are you preaching me that Jesus isn't God's son? I never said he was or anything like that. What is your point? Just stop preaching for a second and try to think for yourself.
@SidHenderson are you a religious person? do you believe in christianity or any other religiong? Im just curiuos. I preach because I want people to understand that Islam is the right religion. Read any other religious books of other religions and you Wallahi you wont find any other book that makes sense but the Quran. I preach because its good for the soul and it increase one's faith. Im not trying to pick a fight or anything Iam a peaceful guy. watch watch?v=QnMVsMytum0&feature=related explain?
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Ok peace man. No, I'm not a religious person, I'm an agnostic atheist. Being agnostic means I don't know if God (or gods) exists or not and that's probably why I keep reading and watching videos about religions. But I haven't found a good reason to believe that any religion is true.
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz This video I commented because the claim about embryology and Quran is not a good reason to believe that Islam is true. And I dont think "the miracle baby in Russia" is a good reason either, watch this watch?v=dvL8DxJcBCo
And no, I didn't go to medical school, but I have a scientific training on another field (political science) so I know something about how science works.
@SidHenderson ok but hes not a doctor or anything its his point of view. doctors from that country did a study on him and said there is nothing wrong with the boy. but how can the verses from the quran word-for-word be on a child, how come nothing occured like this about other religions? this is a sign from ALLAH! In the Quran Allah says : ''For those of you who ask for signs have we not shown you already''
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Only a local doctor has examined the baby and the locals have political reasons to claim it's real. The parents have not allowed the baby to be examined by anybody else but the locals in Dagestan. Dermatographic urticaria is not so rare medical condition, it's very naive to believe on this evidence that this is a miracle.
All religions have all kinds of "miracles", just google "stigmata" for example.
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz First of all please answer to me if you mean me ^^
I would say sura 88:20-91:6 sound very much like a flat earth, but again oyu can interprete many things on those texts. There are also other mistakes like 86:5-7, semen ISNT produced somewhere between loins and rips ^^ Also we arent produced directly from that luiquid but from fretilized female eggs
@MrRichardQED either im wrong or your wrong but can you be more specific by that surah? surah 86 is AL-GHASIYA. its talks about the day of resurection.
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz But you do know which sura i mean dont you ?? The quran clearly says that semen is produced between loins and rips, and thats definitly wrong. Now how can the quran be from god when it contains mistakes ?
@MrRichardQED yes i do, but there is still fact of how embrology occurs. people probably mis-interpet the quran. That is why one learns from an older person. You guys have priests dont you? and we have sheikhs. Scholars will answer this but i will do a little research. BUT there is also errors in the bible as well. I have some questions if you are a christian.
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Sorry i am not a christian, i am an asatru. We dont have a holy book ^^ We also dont have priests as such, or better anybody can be a priest. You pass on the knowledge you have and receive knowledge from others in my religion, its quite democratic so to speak ^^
Well the facts mentioned in the quran where all known way before the quran was written, so its actually not astonishing that they are in it.
@MrRichardQED ok but howver islam is the oldest religion. even the jews stated that. why do you think jews are turning to islam. maybe there are facts before the quran but at least there is science in the quran and some of it are true to this day. There isnt any religion that has true science into its holy book. maybe the bible but it does not make sense. it said something about earth that is untrue. even our prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the bible
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz wow, islam is one of the YOUNGEST religions, nearly every world religion is older. You should inform yourself a bit about your own religion my friend. My religion for example is many thousand years older then yours. There are also many other religions that have true science in their holy books so what are you talking about ? One could also say the quran doesnt make sense, i mean talking ants etc, and it has mistakes in it as i allready showed
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz HELLO ? The quran was written in the 7th century AD, so nearly 700 years after jesus. So its younger then christianity. Judaism is older then both. Buddhism is also older then christianity.
@MrRichardQED to you maybe but we had more than one messenger and those messengers came before jesus. jesus is the prophet of god (ALLAH) he was never the son or nor he was god. Our first prophet is ADAM you may heard of him before have you. he was god's first human creation and he created him from clay. Im not an expert or anything but I've seen alot of videos where other preists and monks challenging Islam and they loose. Islam is the truth my friend. One day i hope you will give into Islam.
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Well you do have a strange interpretation of islam, to me islam began with the quran, before it wasntr islam, it was christianity or judaism. Now for if islam is the truth, i allready showed you that there are mistakes in the quran. So how it be the truth from god if there are mistakes in it ? As the moslems love to point out the quran itself was never changed, so it is still the original as it was dictated by muhammed to his scribes
Advances in audio technology have enabled scientists to discover that ants routinely talk to each other in their nests.
Most ants have a natural washboard and plectrum built into their abdomens that they can rub together to communicate using sound.
Research several decades ago had shown that ants were able to make alarm calls using sounds, but only now has it been shown that their vocabulary may be much bigger and that they can “talk” to each other.
ok dude i quoted a science article if you have anything against it you can go to the dude and make a fool out of yourself
my point is it was believed that ants could not talk/did not have an ADVANCED form of communication and scientists thought the quran was wrong by saying ants could talk because they couldnt yet they could and science is late once again read the quoted article again dummy
PS: stop running from one lost battle into another
@ali921812 Are you trying to be dumb or is it just a natural talent ?
This whole discussion is about a sura in the quran that discribes ants talking to humans, not with each other(well, ok that as well, but not important) TO HUMANS. Now carefully read the article, what does a human need to even hear the ants ? SPECIAL AUDIO EQUIPMENT ! So that sura was absurd, is absurd and will stay absurd. No ant can talk in a way a human could understand, period. You finally get it ? Boy you are slow !
@MrRichardQED ok lets have a descent conversation here so that everyone is understood
Scientists believed, whether to humans or to each other, ANTS could NOT talk.
do you agree?
if yes then you also agree that they were wrong and the quran miraculously revealed it hundreds of years before scientists could even ponder its veracity
if not than read the article again and come back when you have finished, now listen carefully, Understaanndiing the article
@ali921812 First of all stop implying overandoveri wouldnt understand the science involved here,period!!!!!!!.I am used to reading scientific papers on fields like evolutionarybiology,biochemics,genetics,astrophysics,particle physics and related fields(high energy physics for example)etc.etcBy that i dont mean popular science articlesbut real scientific papers up to postdoc level.They sometimes contain whole pages of higher order mathematics.If I can follow that i shouldnt have problems here ^^
@ali921812 ok lets have a descent conversation here so that everyone is understood
If you are really interested in a decent conversation why do you constantly imply that i couldnt possibly have a different opinion on this, i would just not understand whats going on ? Thats no argument thats a cheap attack. I admit that i attacked back though freely, so lets start from scrfatch ok ? I will regard you last comment as your first and my next as my first, so we can forget the past !
@ali921812 Let me start with a question, which article exactly are we talking about here ? You talk as if there would exactly one article on this. I have read i thinki 5 or so. I will send you a list with 200 to choose from Though not all of them are on talking ants, but more then enough to keep you buisy reading for days without pause ^^
Scientists believed,
Definite NO ! scientists dont deal with beliefs, they deal with facts. The articles said that there was knowledge of a few audio->
@ali921812 signals only. the problem was that in the old studies the equipment simply wasnt sophisticated enough to detect more. As they did a new study now with some of the best audio equipment currently known to man they discoverd much more, a real audio communication. This is indeed an important discovery since it might help to get a better understanding how so many individuals can act like one big superorganism. The level of teamwork is fascinating
Absolutely not ! They didnt know they could, on that we should agree and i will tell you why. How did you find out about these talking ants ? Becasue scientists found out about it. Why should they make this quite expensive and timeconsuming inquiry if they would have been convinced tofind nothing as you claim? Logic and reason dictates that they even suspected ants could talk BEFORE the inquiry, they must have had hopes to find something important
@ali921812 I would say this should be more then enough to completely disproove you claim about what scientists "believed" and that they where wrong, wouldnt you agree ? You can maximally claim they had no prior knowledge of this. But you can hardly blame someone for simply not knowing something, right ?
Lets get to your next claim, the claim about knowledge in the quran. Correct me if iam wrong but basically it says there that ants talked to each other panicking that the get crushed under->
@ali921812 the feet of solomons soldiers and solomon heared that and smiled and later he talks to those ants and they to him.
Now lets compare those 2 claims about ant communication. What is mentioned here in the articles are sounds that only the very latest and sophisticated audio equipment can detect
The quran claims solomon heared those ants through the earth, so quite loud, and in a way humans can hear and understand
there is only a single similarity, that its audio, thats it. to claim based
@ali921812 on this the quran would have predicted this discovery makes no sense. Allmost everything about this discovery is different, they ONLY have in common that both are about sound.
Lets say i wouldnt haveany knowledge that/how ants communicate and try an educated guess
1. They must communicate somehow to be so organised but how ?
through visual comm, through odour, through audiio, through touch
visual is underground not possible, to dark, its out
@MrRichardQED oh i see where i went wrong, by saying scientists i was being too general
i should have said secular/anti theistic scientists believed that ants could not communicate because like you said science did not have the technology to prove that they did and so you mocked the belief
and about the talking to humans bit its really not hard to believe knowing that moses split the sea and jesus could heal the sick yes another prophet (Solomon) could speak to animals/jinn
@ali921812 "knowing"that moses split the sea and jesus could heal
You dont know that,you belief that,BIG difference.The supernatural can allways explain everything,and therefore never explain anything . If you want to claim scientific knowledge in the quran you have to play by the rules of science, so everything supernatural is by definition out. As you could see without the supernatural your claim is utterly debunked.
You lost, but thank you for playing, better luck next time
@MrRichardQED yes we also believed that every living thing needs water to survive it gets darker and darker as you get deeper and deeper into the ocean the earth, moon and sun all follow an orbit the universe had a beginning the universe is expanding iron was sent down to earth not there from the beginning the ozone layers protect the earth from the sun all scientific miracles found in the quran i dont need to claim a fact "the quran is the word of god"
@ali921812 are bound to touch each other cconstantly in those tight passages underground
only odour and audio possible,and audio makes more sense,since its hard to get rid of the old odour underground for changing signal
So by simple reasoning a man in the 6th century couild find out that must have somne kind of audiocommunication I could do even one better then the qurn and find out that the sounds are too high for humans to hear which is correct (to low can be excluded through the size of ants
believe it or not you cant use science to prov if there is god. It calls faith. @48212Art has faith. that person probably believes "big bang even though there is no evidence in what so ever. have anybody seen it? maybe it happened, maybe it did'nt. but i call something science only when it can be proven. is'nt that science? or has science become theory.
@skyiswide According to your rules of evidence, gravity doesn't exist, as it has never been seen, nor does the wind or magnetic fields - those haven't been seen either.
As for the Big Bang, there IS evidence, as radio telescopes can "see" the remnants & effects of it, from very distant galaxies. Think "extrapolation".
This does not prove divine revelation. Whoever wrote the Quran probably knew where babies come from and the people in those days probably learned anatomy from disecting animals and humans just as the Europeans did.
@MightyCarnac soo your telling me that people had calculater in 1400 yrs ago?? to work out the sepration between the two seas?? hmm sometimes you need to thing a bit deeper!! because they was no such a thing as sicence back then. is time to actually take life serous and admit that islam is sent by ALLAH(GOD) is the light of guidance.
@nasreen51 Yes, they did have a calculator (please note the spelling) - it was called an abacus & was in use by the Chinese several thousands of years ago - long before your sick death cult was ever dreamed up by your peadophile "perfect man".
Believe what you like - you're free to do so, but please stop your zealots murdering people to try join a sex party in your "heaven".
I can see why they prize "72 virgins" so highly - if Mo the Paedo was alive, they wouldn't be any past the age of 9!
@lineswine firstly thanks for the spelling i really appreciate (NOT) this is not like am writing a letter to the president or something, therefore don't tell me how to write or not. however you stupid, uneducated piece of crap don't speak with no knowledge because your spitting dirt out when you speak with words that don't even make sense. and is funny how you make your own narrative bullshit about Islam. i suggest you to do more reading and searching coz your mind doesn't listen to your hear.
@MightyCarnac The book has also been translated a lot and it can be interprited a lot ways. Just ask an Islamic person why some Islamic people are terrorists its because they manipulate what is written.
@MonkeyPsycho The Mormons say much the same about their Book of Mormon. Maybe they're right. Or maybe Mohammad was as big a fraud as Joseph Smith. Which scenario is more probable?
654 Sura XXII, Quran : “Have you not seen that Allah has subjected to you all that is in the earth, and the vessels that run upon the sea by his behest? And that He holds back the heaven lest it should fall on the earth, save by His leave? Truly, Allah is to mankind propitious and merciful.
Allah holds Heavens or it will fall on Earth LOL This only means one thing, Allah indeed thought Earth was Center of the Universe and everything would fall on it...
Islam's desperate attempt to make sense of its scripture to fit the scientific discoveries that later came to be known. If Islam gets away with this, then anything goes once we abandon logic and sound arguments.
How difficult is it for Abrahamic religion to admit that their basis of belief is nothing but a fantasy fiction?
Let it be known that The Qur'an is the Preserved and Last Book / Scripture / Revelation / Testament of God Almighty. It is the truth in all matters. I sincerely invite everyone to fully read The Qur'an with an open heart (without bias or agenda) and see. May God Guide you. Ameen. God Willing! Peace.
The Koran also says Allah made man out of water. Surprise surprise, the body is mostly water.
I think knowledge of germs would have been more important than zygotes though. I mean, it's nice, but if Momo knew what germs were he probably could have saved several millions of people.
Then again.....the ancient Greeks, several hundred years earlier, invented the first computer. So the fact that Mo got sex right doesn't impress me much.
@imperator332 insignificant in the sense of time. But if we look @ the big picture this present life itself is the only chance we have either to make ourselves (Attaining Allah's pleasure by obeying him and earning eternal paradise... or ... to break ourselves (By not bringing faith on to him, even though clear signs are present but due to our ignorance and pride we will burn forever in hellfire for our stupidity of not looking beyond ourselves. May Allah help and Guide us ALL. Ameen. .
@imperator332 he also got the creation of the universe right (the big bang), he got the Khunnas right and the Tariq (the black hole that sucks in stars) he got the biological embryo development right, he got the barrier between the ocean and the sea right (salt water and pure water) .... soo.. yeah not impressive at all for an illeterate. Its so easy a caveman can do it!!
Yes, the Golden Age of Islam was nice. It's also over.
That said, Biblical, Koran, and every prophesy succumbs to "affirming the consequent".
A post-hoc fitting of now known information to previously indecipherable or vague "holy" prophesies.
Did any Islamic scholars publish these findings in medical journals? Did any of this great stuff the Koran supposedly teaches ever get recorded in the science of the day?
@imperator332 Sure they did Search for Islamic Science during medeival times and you will have the answer to your question. For Keywords: Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi, .. so study 100% first and then we will talk. But regardless the Quran is enough and they are not vague prophecies .. the verses are very straightforward.
I can tell you didn't understand what I wrote, because in response you gave me two people who did not publish anything about the zygote or embryonic fertilization.
@imperator332 lol i said to study Islamic science during medeival times.. and i assisted with listing two scholars who wrote two of the very first medical encyclopedias .. and like i said why would anything need to be recorded when it is already evident and recorded in the Quran itself? Maybe i dont understand what you wrote... you said why are they not recorded... why re-record it?
Because there is no evidence of this "discovery" being used or known. It's the video's own contention, and falls victim, as already stated, to a textbook example of affirming the consequent.
You say it's in the Koran, but that's a post-hoc contention. You'd have to show evidence it was known at the time.
Find me the passage in any medieval islamic scholar that talks about Chorionic villi, and you will have proven your point.
As a counter-example, the Greeks and Romans knew the Earth was round. This can be demonstrated by the fairly accurate measurement of the earth's circumference by Eratosthenes, as well as Maxentius' imperial scepter which has a globe on it.
There is no demonstration of this supposed knowledge embedded in the Koran at the time, therefore the contention that it does so is a post-hoc false attribution.
Likewise, the bias of Islamic scholars wishing to show the "truth" of the Koran are displaying a confirmation bias.
There is evidence of absence of this knowledge in the 7th century, and the sentiment that Mohammed "must have known" is classic post-hoc attribution error. While other explanations exist, and while there is no confirmed evidence of this medical knowledge being put into practice, I have no reason to accept the premise that this claim is true.
@lineswine lol... how do you know he doesnt? Just because it sounds crazy doesnt necessarily mean it cannot be true. 1400 years ago if you were to tell the people that in a couple hundred years they'd be cars and huge skyscrapers and computers and little devices that would allow you to communicate with people from across the world they'd think you were crazy.
and ppl still dont belevie in islam were not trying to make a war here islam is about peace so dont think other wize ok, these ppl you see that are trying to make a war there not muslims, i'm not forsing any body were just convinsing you that islam is right......
Copy and pasted this "Quran Miracle Debunked 1 of 50 : Biology / Embryology" in youtube search engine and watch the video. Make sure to watch all three parts
@hempartist420 man try to read that book .. the most wise thing is to read different things and judje for which is the best .. dont just say its bullshit ..
@CGJUGO80 its so patheitc how you try to make everything in the quran fit to our kniowldge we have thanks to science, not thanks to the quran. If all that knowldge really where in thwe quran, how come you didnt put it to use ? How come you didnt come forward and explained everything ? No, you waited till science found all the answers, and then reinterpreted your quran so it fits the scientific worldview.
@MrRichardQED ok .. ur right that some people just waited and that is wrong .. but the point here is that when science started and thing becoming unvieled, we found out that they match with the quran which made us believe more and more.. thats all ..
@Albiiz1 they only match,because you want them to match.The quran is written in a style that allows for many diferent interpretations, so it doesnt really matter what sicence finds out next, you WILL find way to make it fit EXCEPT:
Quran doesnt allow for evolution,and there we have allready a huge mistake in the quran.Practically the whole scientific community backs up evolution (between 97-99% depending on which fields of science you ask),evolution is a fact,and the quran denies it,so q-looses
@MrRichardQED u said it by urself quran is written in a way that allows for many different interpretations. if u read the book carefully and understand every single word of it u will find out that it doesnt have a singe mistake. not only in genes. but in nature and everything in this universe. anyway goodluck with ur thoughts and one more question what is wrong if quran matches with these ? we didnt say sience is wrong and the quran is right .. we just said that they match.
@Albiiz1 It has one major mistake, it doesnt recognize evolution. Evolution is a fact as sure as gravity, so there we have allready a reallly huge mistake.
What is wrong about them matching ? That you interprete the quran in a way that it matches, and then call that proof that the quran is right. Thats just ridiculous, especially some of the examples.
@MrRichardQED ok that doesn make the whole thing wrong.it recognises the basic things for a perfect life.it doesn recognise hw 2 bread tomatoes.that doesn make it wrong bro m not jst tryin to b argumentative m jus sayin that if u read the quran u wil recognise that many things are really hapenin.it never told us to do wrong things which harm ourselves or the humanity or the world.. a verse says: god swears upon time than man is in a loss, only those who deal with fair and who deal with patience
@Albiiz1 well the problem is that many muslims believe the quran is perfect and cannot be wrong, then they interprete the quran in a way they like and threaten everyone who is not with them.
@MrRichardQED u just got it wrong.. trust me the quran tells nothing but good .. its very clear .. maybe us humans need more time to understand it better and better .. and trust me it is nothing to threaten other. some muslims are extremious and like to think that they are the best specially the wahabis' i agree.. its like a super car with a dumb driver get it ? u dont blame the car but u should blame the driver..
@Albiiz1 If that book really where from god, he would have forseen those problems and would have written it in a way that is easy understood and doesnt lead to so many misinterpretations/misunderstandings. If you want to compare it to cars, its a car that is faulty constructed, so its hard to handle safely and thus leads to many accidents.
@MrRichardQED come on brother it is from god.. it IS easy and simple but u just need a clean brain to understand it .. it is just made to fit the cultures since 1400 years. say a person who knows nothing about biology takes a biology book and start reading it.
and exactly about the car example, its hard to handle safely when u are driving fast or in awrong way.just like some people misuse the quran. i blame many muslims specially the extremists.r u a christian bro?
@Albiiz1 Nope, i am a neo pagan, a norse neo pagan to be exact.
If it where so easy to understand, why do so many people get it wrong ? Now by getting it wrong i mean that there are so many different interpretations, so many of them must be wrong, or perhaps all of them. How can a omnipotent and allknowing god let that happen ?
We dont need a holy book, we got a conscience to guide us. Plus we recognize that a allknowing and omnipotent god is a logical fallacy, it doesnt make sense.
@MrRichardQED so many people get it wrong because they dont wanna get it right. ill continue the example of a car. a stupid driver comes to drive a brand new 2010 bmw as the best car in the world then he crashes. he comes back and say ohh i didnt understand wat the fuck the computer was saying? so whos stupid. the car manufacturer or the driver?
anyway if u say allknowing god is nonsense, i see no point of continuing this argument.
@Albiiz1 Lets say god is all powerfull and all knowing. Then you are just a puppet, that do exactly as god says, without any free will. If that is the case, why would god send anyone to hell ? After all they do just what god wanted. On the other hand if you have free will, god is not all powerfull, for he cant controll your will. Either way you end up with a paradoxon.
@Albiiz1 If i say things like thats nonsense, i have a logical reason to do so, and can argue why. I dont do that just to annoy you (which would really be a reason to end the discussion).
@MrRichardQED i know that ur not just doin so to annoy me.i believe that there is a biological power or energy in each human and this power has to go somewhere.and yes we do as god says because god has only said what is good for us.. the free will u are talkin about are the sins.these sins lead to a miserable life or atleast can cause problems and diseases like aids etc
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staranjela 1 month ago
@forgottenmemories63 Your stating an opinion not fact! Truth hurts dont it?
NikoBellic009 1 month ago
one of the phelosopher siad THAT what is truth that is always beauty, but what is beauty that can not be always BE truth. so it won't matter if some people get mad due to thier EGos. I must add that : truth some times hurtS too. so if it BOTHERS you guys. Please don't watch it. Go and Ejoy your own belieVES.
masood930 1 month ago
very funny dear Forgottenmemorie 63. by your coments YOu have already defined your self. I think for people who reject truth due to their personal EGos. We have to say Peace too.
masood930 1 month ago
I am proud to be muslim and for my other brothers who denys these fact, I wish for them that their mind start functioning in the realization of the Facts.
I regrete for these emotionally or logically Blinded and deaf people.
masood930 1 month ago
@masood930 No one is Blinded or deaf, On the contrary it is Muslims that have created all these Fake miracles all of a sudden in the past 20 years just to prove Islam is right.
Islam is so pathetic they now want the help of "Science" to spread their Religion because they know Islam is dying..
forgottenmemories63 1 month ago
@forgottenmemories63 You really don't know anything :). Quran never changed since prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. you know why? because for example: if you go and try to add 1 letter to Quran all the Muslims will destroy what u made, as well as my grand grand fathers would do and so on.. Plus we are not Christians or Jews we are Muslims we memorise the whole Holy Quran (600 pages), and when we pray if the reader miss a letter the people behind corrects it. so how anybody add a think to it?
xnarxx 4 weeks ago
@xnarxx I am referring not the the original verses of the Quran but these recent mins-interpretations of several Muslims in the past 20 years that relate Quranic verses with Science, Like in the video above. It is simply ridiculous.
I have seen how Muslims try really hard to try to mis-interpret any Quran verse in a Scientific way. So, What i meant was Quran needs Science. These have Scientific errors and mistakes, Your Quran may speak of God but not Science, Quran contradicts Modern Science.
forgottenmemories63 4 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 Quran is not about science. Quran is for all people, and it contains how human born, how we came from first place. Science is a gift from Allah, and Allah knows everything. The Quran doesn't show a chemical formula or math, the Quran was talking how we came from the first place till we found out it's true. God said that there will be people no matter how you convince them they will reject you (Muhammad).... you dont need to be one of them at least read Quran and then decide.
xnarxx 4 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 This is a translation part of Quran: And We have put before them a barrier and behind them a barrier and covered them, so they do not see.@And it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.@Indeed, it is We who bring the dead to life and record what they have put forth and what they left behind, and all things We have enumerated in a clear register.
xnarxx 4 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 Now i can't show all the quran, if you want to look it up, write in Google Quran and choose the first link, i would recommend u to read Qaf chapter and then read what ever you want. When i saw Quran in English i was surprised that its different, i mean if you know Arabic you will feel the power of these words. i cant even describe it, because we used to be challenging eathother by the language not until gods words came up in a away, it is unbeatable. Read Marry chapter aswel
xnarxx 4 weeks ago
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Can anyone name me even 1 invention/tech that has come from a country that practices sharia law in the last 200 years?... funny none have been able to do that or give me references to... seems to me sharia law is keeping people stuck in the middle ages... and that tells me that muslims want to spread ignorance
gxbmb 2 months ago
Lol that isn’t scientific its false! Or do you believe that your sperm is dirt/ terra? No? Well... the quran tell exactly that....and what a wonder, the old Greeks believed that too.... one of Mohammed’s followers was Greek...so what ;-)
Islam isn’t scientific and like every other religion, only a fray tale
Cegesh 3 months ago
You seek the truth, but when the truth have come to you, will you accept it? or simply ignore it, and believe it just a coinsidental guess?
DannyAbdillah 4 months ago
@DannyAbdillah I would accept the truth if it wasn't manipulated into mis-interpreting words to make it match Modern day Science. If you read the Arabic version of Quran, Each and every word mentioned in these Fake videos is false, All words have different meanings and you can see the makers of these videos just mis-interpret words to match them to Modern Scientific Discoveries.
Just because some stupid Scientist states Quran doesn't mean I should blindly follow him, I do my research..
forgottenmemories63 4 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 I'm sorry, I don't trust a contemptible liar like you. you want to fool other? you just fooling your self. stupid.
DannyAbdillah 4 months ago
@DannyAbdillah So do you actually realize the consequence of this ?
I am saying that many of the things that Quran is saying is what early people before Muhammad believed.
So, Even then lets consider, Allah the Almighty somehow knew all this and mentioned in Quran because Allah has all knowledge of Past, Present and Future, Alright ?
Now, If we read these things, They are actually WRONG !!!
All Planets don't go around Earth, A Baby in Womb isn't born like how Quran tells us.
So Quran = Wrong
forgottenmemories63 4 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 I am ready for any consequences from God for believing Qur'an. Nothing can hold God's will that comes to me. I surrender my life to God only. Allah, Robbul'alamin.
DannyAbdillah 4 months ago
@DannyAbdillah And I found out none of these so called Miracle Verses in Quran are true, All are either Mis-interpreted or one word from those verses are changed from actual arabic meaning to mean something else to fool un-educated people to think Quran supports science while in reality, Quran contradicts every Scientific Fact known to man.
Where should I begin ? Creation of Life ? Evolution ? Space ? Quran is wrong in everything, Quran was just a book written by some un-educated person..
forgottenmemories63 4 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 "none of these so called Miracle Verses in Quran are true" - Such as?
"changed from actual arabic meaning to mean something else to fool" - there is independent online dictionary, why don't try to translate your self rather than spreading lies.
"Quran contradicts every Scientific Fact known to man" - which one?
"Quran was just a book written by some un-educated person" - yes, Muhammad is un-educated person, read the book writen by un-educated dessert man 1400 years ago.
DannyAbdillah 4 months ago
@DannyAbdillah Miracles that are untrue according to Science : Muhammad 's trip to Heaven, Muhammad's Splitting of the Moon, Allah's throne being above Kaaba,
Contradictions in Quran : More than 100+, To name a few : Mention of Flat Earth in Quran, Mountains acting as Pegs that hold the Land, Animals that speak, Quran's description of Expanding Sky (Some mistake sky as Big Bang), Contradictions in Creation Myth, Meteorites bringing Iron to Earth, Scientific Proof of Jinns etc..
forgottenmemories63 4 months ago
@DannyAbdillah Quran has information copied from other sources :
Example 1 : The Story of Adam and Noah copied from Bible, 600 years ago.
Example 2 : The Formation of Womb was mentioned almost 1000 Years before Islam by Greek Philosophers, It is actually wrong, Blood and Bones don't form in different times but together.
Exampe 3 : Quran says Earth is Flat and Sun, Moon, Planets each orbit in their own paths in space, This was the wrong belief that Earth was the center by Greeks, 1000 yrs ago.
forgottenmemories63 4 months ago
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Bullshit
Islam has nothing to do with Science.
forgottenmemories63 5 months ago
Crap!
Mesdriver 6 months ago
why do folks arguing here, the prophets hasn't been send accept to worn and whom ever take that warning to serious he did him self a favorite and whom ever turns away he is the one that ends up a hell fire. We don't need to hate each other and remember no souls take another souls fault. just to my advice. god bless to those who rightly guided .... is only Allah that guides ..
TheRuwain 7 months ago
BLA BLA BLA.....ACCURACIES? THE QURAN TALKS ABOUT A PLACE QHERE THE SUN SETS AS IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT, 18:83-90. THE QURAN SAYS THAT "STARS ARE MISSILES TO SHOOT THE DEVIL", 67:5. THE QURAN TALKS ABOUT THE 7 HEAVENS, 41:12, 2:29, AL OLD, FALSE BELIEF PROVED WRONG FOR CENTURIES. THE STAGES OF THE EMBRYO IN THE QURAN ARE WRONG. THEY WERE COPIED FROM GALEN, A GREEK DOCTOR CENTURIES BEFORE THE QURAN. THE EMBRYO DOEN'T START WITH A CLOT OF BLOOD AND BONES DON'T COME BEFORE FLESH AS THE QURAN SAYS
DictaduraNo123 7 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Kindly, regarding the setting of the sun, the Qur'an never stated the Earth was flat and in fact has many reference directly stating it is egg shaped, as well the Qur'an never stated the embryo begins as a lump of blood, but rather just states a clot and from the clot into a lump of flesh and from the clot of flesh bones, in this order. As well it's important to note in the Arabic, the word flesh means more than skin, it includes our muscle, organs, skin and everything else.
yhamdon 5 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Kindly, regarding the setting of the sun, the Qur'an never stated the Earth was flat and in fact has many reference directly stating it is egg shaped, as well the Qur'an never stated the embryo begins as a lump of blood, but rather just states a clot and from the clot into a lump of flesh and from the clot of flesh bones, in this order. As well it's important to note in the Arabic, the word flesh means more than skin, it includes our muscle, organs, skin and everything else.
yhamdon 5 months ago
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@DictaduraNo123 Kindly, regarding the setting of the sun, the Qur'an never stated the Earth was flat and in fact has many reference directly stating it is egg shaped, as well the Qur'an never stated the embryo begins as a lump of blood, but rather just states a clot and from the clot into a lump of flesh and from the clot of flesh bones, in this order. As well it's important to note in the Arabic, the word flesh means more than skin, it includes our muscle, organs, skin and everything else.
yhamdon 5 months ago
The Quran has been changed much since it was discovered under the bed of the family of Mohammed, 350 years later. BUT, being a scientist, I discovered science is always CORRECT, TODAY, tomorrow, new investigations prove it WRONG> So, never rely on science, (scientific theory put together only 200 years ago, rely on the Christian bible.
Eldonstromberg1 8 months ago
@Eldonstromberg1 Quran has never been changed but the bible has been changed n still is being changed sciences supports Quran n Quran supports sciences! Get your facts right or continue with you ignorant arrogant lies!!!!!
moeazysgc 8 months ago
@moeazysgc The quran itself may be unchanged but the tzranslations and the interpretations change all the time, so who is the ignorant liar here ? Get YOUR facts straight, before you tell others to get theirs straight.
MrRichardQED 8 months ago
@MrRichardQED Who cares about the translation n the interpretation is not different unless misinterpreted( their are those who interpreted how they want to interpreted)! Quran is meant to be read,understood in Arabic just like the Bible is meant too be read n understood in Hebrew but when translated into other languages changes n is misinterpreted also!!!
moeazysgc 8 months ago
@moeazysgc Obviously you should inform yourself more about your own religion. The interpretations are very important, cause thats what people live by, thats what people believe. They changed a lot in the last 50 years alone,You see if a language is not your natural language you ALLWAYS have to translate, even if you speak arabic.You must realize that a word can have severall meanings, so which is the correct meaning for a certain word?That can chjange maforly what the texts say,and does so here
MrRichardQED 8 months ago
@MrRichardQED Quran has never changed in the Last 1400 years, period! But when translated has many different translation due to the differences in Languages but the Quran is in Arabic n can not be changed, so when translated is not good!!!!
moeazysgc 8 months ago
@moeazysgc Are you a little slow or something ? The text iotself didnt change, BUT ITS MEANING CHANGES ALL THE TIME. The meaning is what is important
MrRichardQED 8 months ago
@MrRichardQED Meaning never has changed but the interpretation when translated into other languages, imbecile! When a Verse says "God is One" in Arabic it might be interpreted differently in another language but the meaning is the same "God is One"!!! You must a dumb ass!!!!
moeazysgc 8 months ago
@moeazysgc The meaning of the Quran changes when Muslims accept new meanings for words in the Quran. The Islamic science is notably based on this. For example changing the meaning of the word "alaqah" from "blood clot/leech" to "leech-like structure" (new meaning introduced by Dr. Keith Moore) so that the Quranic description would better fit modern embryology. Making up new meanings for words is not a miracle. In this context it's just lying, it's a hoax.
SidHenderson 8 months ago
@moeazysgc
Why don't you open some books before you open your mouth?
Of course the Koran was changed. Uthman himself compiled a version and you can see the differences if you compare the Tashkent Koran with today's version.
And what science is in the Koran?
That Allah is responsible for thunder and lightning? That you can hit a corpse with a piece of steak and it will get up and reveal the killer? That there is a barrier between salt and sweet water?
Please check more and believe less.
StopSpamming1 8 months ago
If you were really comparing the Quran with the modern science, you will see that the Quran IS the modern sciece. modern science proven a lot of things which had actually mentioned in the Quran. who could have mention that 1400 years ago?
muhammad is not the writer of the quran. how can he write when he didnt know how to read. well IF he was the one who wrote the Quran, its surprising how he could get everything correct after 1400 years ago.
TheWhittybo 8 months ago
@RpgMakerVXTutor hahaha. "None of which hold any Scientific Value whatsoever."? hahaha you dont know what you are saying dude.
TheWhittybo 8 months ago
God Is Great !!!
Galasura1 9 months ago
@Galasura1 there were many animals that weren't mentioned in the Qur'an! doesn't mean that we don't believe they exist! they didn't seem to have significance! they're animals :|
thekillerose 8 months ago
If the quran is really the words of whoever created this world or universe, why is it that there's no mention of DINOSAURS in a 'copied book called koran?
Outgrowingfear 9 months ago
srsly -.- why is there such great faith in nothing.. thats right NOTHING. We WILL all die 0_o no matter in WHAT you believe. And we will all know moments of anger, despair, neglect but also happiness and theres no reason for it its just called LIFE and its NO reason to believe in something u call ''God'' because u can waste your time and thoughts on plenty other things. -i kept it friendly
n8i8c8o8 9 months ago
Please stop hijacking everything.
TommyMarxable 9 months ago
@RpgMakerVXTutor you have mistaken arrogance for intelligence sir. alot of the scientific discoveries of the 20th century were found in the quran 1400 hundred years ago. and you say your scientifically literate,ha! i thought really intelligent people were humble not egotistical. and a true intellectual sees the wisdom in anything. they dont say bias remarks. they usually say" hmmm thats interesting". you have knowledge without out morality and ethics, which means you have no knowledge.
imreadyyo26 10 months ago
I did not know harry potter movie or book until i saw the movie or read the book. I suggest you do the same HARRYPURWO. Study the Quran and than make your choice for yourself if it is the word of god or not. If you are a scientist like these scientist on the video than your comment might hold any value. I am a scientific literate person as well and I agree with this video 100% but I do not have hate inside my heart like you do.
bosniangorilla 10 months ago
Destruction of Universities of Ancient India by Muslims-
Nalanda University - Library burnt for 6 days and Nights
Vickramasila 800 A.C
Odantapuri- Second oldest of India's universities after Taxila
Somapura University
Jagaddala University
Vallabhi University
Sanskrit College of Visaladeva
In return, Madarsaas to generate more terrorists.
anu123km 10 months ago
That's 26 bulls of a shitty kinds:-)
anizolkipli 10 months ago
who is the qari
can someone please someone tell me he has a beautiful voice
ali921812 10 months ago
Science flies you to the moon.
Islam flies you into buildings.
mamadboze 11 months ago
Omg The Quran recorded these Facts 1400 year ago... That's amazing !
The Quran also says the Devil sleeps in your Nose during the Night, Allah's Throne is right above Mecca, Shooting Stars are Demons that Allah uses to shoot down the Devils and that Allah holds the Sky dome which would otherwise fall onto the Earth LOL
So I guess they must all be true, No ?
Haha Stupid pile of Medieval Shit.
forgottenmemories63 11 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 wow so much anger inside such a small comment made up of less than 73 words
hey this is a good chance to psychologically analyze you
so whats wrong how do u feel right now talking to a Muslim
ali921812 10 months ago
I call bullshit XD
jacobpaprotskiy 11 months ago
You know if you have to lie for your religion, that a huge indicator that its not worth following.
slicingwater 11 months ago
There is absolutely no proof of the claim, that the Quran is the word of God. The Quran, at the time it was written by men, was an improvement over the Bible and the Torah. It borrowed ideas from both, refined them and presented them as the word of God. The fact remains, Muhammad (who was nothing more than a general) and his men formulated the Quran as a way to unite all the various tribes on the Arabian Peninsula.
Titan16180339887 11 months ago
@Titan16180339887 The tribes of Arabia fought against The Prophet (pbuh), the science and mathematics in the Quran are proof that it is the word of God.
12389h 11 months ago
ali921812 10 months ago
Since the time the Quran was written 1400 years ago, human beings have made great discoveries. Today, we know how immense the Universe really is, we understand the General theory of relativity, quantum physics, evolution and etc. Funny, “God” didn’t mention all this in the Quran. The problem with Islam and all other religions is that they are stuck in time, while our knowledge and understanding of the world has changed; religion cannot due to its fundamental nature.
Titan16180339887 11 months ago
The concept of roundness is also present in other words derived from "dahv." For example, the word "dahv" also refers to children dropping a ball into a hole in the ground, games involving throwing stones into holes and games played with walnuts.Words derived from that root are also used for an ostrich making a nest, cleaning stones from where it is about to lie down, the place where it lays its eggs and the egg itself.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
"After that He smoothed out the earth." (Qur'an, 79:30) In the above verse, the word "daha" is used in the original Arabic. It, translated as "smoothed out," comes from the word "dahv," meaning "to spread." Although the word "dahv" also means to cover or to set out, the meaning of the verb is more than just a prosaic setting out, since it describes setting out in a circle.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
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@kawishosa93 Its definitly sperm, it talks about a liquid. But lets say what you say is true, then you must ask yourself if the quran contains wisdom at all, or if its just our interpretations that contain the wisdom. Also if it is ok to interprete it differently, its us that make the rules, since we interprete it in a way we want
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
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@kawishosa93 Its definitly sperm, it talks about a liquid. But lets say what you say is true, then you must ask yourself if the quran contains wisdom at all, or if its just our interpretations that contain the wisdom. Also if it is ok to interprete it differently, its us that make the rules, since we interprete it in a way we want
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
So you had a head start on science.
Wow you must be the most technologically advanced society the planet has ever seen.
Removing my tongue from my cheek... what good has it done you?
The jews had god himself as their master and look what it did for them. Persecution and slavery was their reward.
stramster1 1 year ago
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SidHenderson 1 year ago 16
@SidHenderson if it was made thousands of years ago, wouldn't the scientists state that Embryology was made before the quran?
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz You can read Aristotle's "On the generation of animals" and find it out yourself.
SidHenderson 1 year ago
@SidHenderson I know all the quran memorized but i never came upon words stating that the earth is flat. You sound like Aristotle is god or something.....those are Aristortles opinions. Man is all about opinions and views the world how it seems to him, but God.....created everything and knows what he created and not. How can Jesus be gods son if god does not have a wife. Jesus was never killed, Allah brought him to the heavens. Jesus is a prophet...he's not god or the son of god
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz You sound quite confused, not making much sense. I haven't said anything about the Quran telling what shape the earth is. Aristotle was just a man, but a very intelligent one who made some great achievements. Some of them have been proven right, some wrong.
And that's what science does, it doesn't accept things blindly like religion, it questions and demands evidence. Opinions mean nothing in science. I hope you get to the medical school, your views just might change a little.
SidHenderson 1 year ago
@SidHenderson and you went to medical school my friend? Im going into medical school next year and trying to earn my phd..but i will keep your word.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz And why are you preaching me that Jesus isn't God's son? I never said he was or anything like that. What is your point? Just stop preaching for a second and try to think for yourself.
SidHenderson 1 year ago
@SidHenderson are you a religious person? do you believe in christianity or any other religiong? Im just curiuos. I preach because I want people to understand that Islam is the right religion. Read any other religious books of other religions and you Wallahi you wont find any other book that makes sense but the Quran. I preach because its good for the soul and it increase one's faith. Im not trying to pick a fight or anything Iam a peaceful guy. watch watch?v=QnMVsMytum0&feature=related explain?
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Ok peace man. No, I'm not a religious person, I'm an agnostic atheist. Being agnostic means I don't know if God (or gods) exists or not and that's probably why I keep reading and watching videos about religions. But I haven't found a good reason to believe that any religion is true.
SidHenderson 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz This video I commented because the claim about embryology and Quran is not a good reason to believe that Islam is true. And I dont think "the miracle baby in Russia" is a good reason either, watch this watch?v=dvL8DxJcBCo
And no, I didn't go to medical school, but I have a scientific training on another field (political science) so I know something about how science works.
SidHenderson 1 year ago
@SidHenderson ok but hes not a doctor or anything its his point of view. doctors from that country did a study on him and said there is nothing wrong with the boy. but how can the verses from the quran word-for-word be on a child, how come nothing occured like this about other religions? this is a sign from ALLAH! In the Quran Allah says : ''For those of you who ask for signs have we not shown you already''
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Only a local doctor has examined the baby and the locals have political reasons to claim it's real. The parents have not allowed the baby to be examined by anybody else but the locals in Dagestan. Dermatographic urticaria is not so rare medical condition, it's very naive to believe on this evidence that this is a miracle.
All religions have all kinds of "miracles", just google "stigmata" for example.
SidHenderson 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz First of all please answer to me if you mean me ^^
I would say sura 88:20-91:6 sound very much like a flat earth, but again oyu can interprete many things on those texts. There are also other mistakes like 86:5-7, semen ISNT produced somewhere between loins and rips ^^ Also we arent produced directly from that luiquid but from fretilized female eggs
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED either im wrong or your wrong but can you be more specific by that surah? surah 86 is AL-GHASIYA. its talks about the day of resurection.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz But you do know which sura i mean dont you ?? The quran clearly says that semen is produced between loins and rips, and thats definitly wrong. Now how can the quran be from god when it contains mistakes ?
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED yes i do, but there is still fact of how embrology occurs. people probably mis-interpet the quran. That is why one learns from an older person. You guys have priests dont you? and we have sheikhs. Scholars will answer this but i will do a little research. BUT there is also errors in the bible as well. I have some questions if you are a christian.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Sorry i am not a christian, i am an asatru. We dont have a holy book ^^ We also dont have priests as such, or better anybody can be a priest. You pass on the knowledge you have and receive knowledge from others in my religion, its quite democratic so to speak ^^
Well the facts mentioned in the quran where all known way before the quran was written, so its actually not astonishing that they are in it.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED ok but howver islam is the oldest religion. even the jews stated that. why do you think jews are turning to islam. maybe there are facts before the quran but at least there is science in the quran and some of it are true to this day. There isnt any religion that has true science into its holy book. maybe the bible but it does not make sense. it said something about earth that is untrue. even our prophet Muhammad was mentioned in the bible
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz wow, islam is one of the YOUNGEST religions, nearly every world religion is older. You should inform yourself a bit about your own religion my friend. My religion for example is many thousand years older then yours. There are also many other religions that have true science in their holy books so what are you talking about ? One could also say the quran doesnt make sense, i mean talking ants etc, and it has mistakes in it as i allready showed
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED rabbis even stated that its the oldest religion. would you live a life of faith only or faith and PROOF
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz HELLO ? The quran was written in the 7th century AD, so nearly 700 years after jesus. So its younger then christianity. Judaism is older then both. Buddhism is also older then christianity.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED to you maybe but we had more than one messenger and those messengers came before jesus. jesus is the prophet of god (ALLAH) he was never the son or nor he was god. Our first prophet is ADAM you may heard of him before have you. he was god's first human creation and he created him from clay. Im not an expert or anything but I've seen alot of videos where other preists and monks challenging Islam and they loose. Islam is the truth my friend. One day i hope you will give into Islam.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@AKakaMoVeM3nTzz Well you do have a strange interpretation of islam, to me islam began with the quran, before it wasntr islam, it was christianity or judaism. Now for if islam is the truth, i allready showed you that there are mistakes in the quran. So how it be the truth from god if there are mistakes in it ? As the moslems love to point out the quran itself was never changed, so it is still the original as it was dictated by muhammed to his scribes
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED watch?v=ByIh7TcrZRA im done arguing. we shall see in the end my friend.
AKakaMoVeM3nTzz 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED lol it has already been proven that ants can talk in SCIENCE dear lord u just keep digging a whole for yourself
google that shiz as my friend would say
ali921812 10 months ago
@ali921812 Ants can talk in a way a human could understand ? Dream on ^^
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
read it and weep
Advances in audio technology have enabled scientists to discover that ants routinely talk to each other in their nests.
Most ants have a natural washboard and plectrum built into their abdomens that they can rub together to communicate using sound.
Research several decades ago had shown that ants were able to make alarm calls using sounds, but only now has it been shown that their vocabulary may be much bigger and that they can “talk” to each other.
ali921812 10 months ago
@ali921812 The only thing to weap here aboujt is your utter stupidity!I mean quick quote here:
"Advances in audio technology have enabled scientists "
Are you trying to tell me that he had a complete audio equipment with him ? Or where you too stupid to understand my question?
Ants cant talk in a way A HUMAN COULD UNDERSTAND!
I know they communicate with each other via audio,but without a lot of high tech equipment you cant even hear it!
You loose,but thank you playing, better luck next time!
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@MrRichardQED
ok dude i quoted a science article if you have anything against it you can go to the dude and make a fool out of yourself
my point is it was believed that ants could not talk/did not have an ADVANCED form of communication and scientists thought the quran was wrong by saying ants could talk because they couldnt yet they could and science is late once again read the quoted article again dummy
PS: stop running from one lost battle into another
ali921812 10 months ago
@ali921812 Are you trying to be dumb or is it just a natural talent ?
This whole discussion is about a sura in the quran that discribes ants talking to humans, not with each other(well, ok that as well, but not important) TO HUMANS. Now carefully read the article, what does a human need to even hear the ants ? SPECIAL AUDIO EQUIPMENT ! So that sura was absurd, is absurd and will stay absurd. No ant can talk in a way a human could understand, period. You finally get it ? Boy you are slow !
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@MrRichardQED ok lets have a descent conversation here so that everyone is understood
Scientists believed, whether to humans or to each other, ANTS could NOT talk.
do you agree?
if yes then you also agree that they were wrong and the quran miraculously revealed it hundreds of years before scientists could even ponder its veracity
if not than read the article again and come back when you have finished, now listen carefully, Understaanndiing the article
ali921812 10 months ago
@ali921812 First of all stop implying overandoveri wouldnt understand the science involved here,period!!!!!!!.I am used to reading scientific papers on fields like evolutionarybiology,biochemics,genetics,astrophysics,particle physics and related fields(high energy physics for example)etc.etcBy that i dont mean popular science articlesbut real scientific papers up to postdoc level.They sometimes contain whole pages of higher order mathematics.If I can follow that i shouldnt have problems here ^^
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 ok lets have a descent conversation here so that everyone is understood
If you are really interested in a decent conversation why do you constantly imply that i couldnt possibly have a different opinion on this, i would just not understand whats going on ? Thats no argument thats a cheap attack. I admit that i attacked back though freely, so lets start from scrfatch ok ? I will regard you last comment as your first and my next as my first, so we can forget the past !
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 Let me start with a question, which article exactly are we talking about here ? You talk as if there would exactly one article on this. I have read i thinki 5 or so. I will send you a list with 200 to choose from Though not all of them are on talking ants, but more then enough to keep you buisy reading for days without pause ^^
Scientists believed,
Definite NO ! scientists dont deal with beliefs, they deal with facts. The articles said that there was knowledge of a few audio->
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 signals only. the problem was that in the old studies the equipment simply wasnt sophisticated enough to detect more. As they did a new study now with some of the best audio equipment currently known to man they discoverd much more, a real audio communication. This is indeed an important discovery since it might help to get a better understanding how so many individuals can act like one big superorganism. The level of teamwork is fascinating
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 ANTS could NOT talk. do you agree?
Absolutely not ! They didnt know they could, on that we should agree and i will tell you why. How did you find out about these talking ants ? Becasue scientists found out about it. Why should they make this quite expensive and timeconsuming inquiry if they would have been convinced tofind nothing as you claim? Logic and reason dictates that they even suspected ants could talk BEFORE the inquiry, they must have had hopes to find something important
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 I would say this should be more then enough to completely disproove you claim about what scientists "believed" and that they where wrong, wouldnt you agree ? You can maximally claim they had no prior knowledge of this. But you can hardly blame someone for simply not knowing something, right ?
Lets get to your next claim, the claim about knowledge in the quran. Correct me if iam wrong but basically it says there that ants talked to each other panicking that the get crushed under->
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 the feet of solomons soldiers and solomon heared that and smiled and later he talks to those ants and they to him.
Now lets compare those 2 claims about ant communication. What is mentioned here in the articles are sounds that only the very latest and sophisticated audio equipment can detect
The quran claims solomon heared those ants through the earth, so quite loud, and in a way humans can hear and understand
there is only a single similarity, that its audio, thats it. to claim based
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@ali921812 on this the quran would have predicted this discovery makes no sense. Allmost everything about this discovery is different, they ONLY have in common that both are about sound.
Lets say i wouldnt haveany knowledge that/how ants communicate and try an educated guess
1. They must communicate somehow to be so organised but how ?
through visual comm, through odour, through audiio, through touch
visual is underground not possible, to dark, its out
tjhrough touch also impossible, since they
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
@MrRichardQED oh i see where i went wrong, by saying scientists i was being too general
i should have said secular/anti theistic scientists believed that ants could not communicate because like you said science did not have the technology to prove that they did and so you mocked the belief
and about the talking to humans bit its really not hard to believe knowing that moses split the sea and jesus could heal the sick yes another prophet (Solomon) could speak to animals/jinn
ali921812 10 months ago
@ali921812 "knowing"that moses split the sea and jesus could heal
You dont know that,you belief that,BIG difference.The supernatural can allways explain everything,and therefore never explain anything . If you want to claim scientific knowledge in the quran you have to play by the rules of science, so everything supernatural is by definition out. As you could see without the supernatural your claim is utterly debunked.
You lost, but thank you for playing, better luck next time
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
ali921812 10 months ago
@ali921812 are bound to touch each other cconstantly in those tight passages underground
only odour and audio possible,and audio makes more sense,since its hard to get rid of the old odour underground for changing signal
So by simple reasoning a man in the 6th century couild find out that must have somne kind of audiocommunication I could do even one better then the qurn and find out that the sounds are too high for humans to hear which is correct (to low can be excluded through the size of ants
MrRichardQED 10 months ago
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lineswine 1 year ago
believe it or not you cant use science to prov if there is god. It calls faith. @48212Art has faith. that person probably believes "big bang even though there is no evidence in what so ever. have anybody seen it? maybe it happened, maybe it did'nt. but i call something science only when it can be proven. is'nt that science? or has science become theory.
skyiswide 1 year ago
@skyiswide According to your rules of evidence, gravity doesn't exist, as it has never been seen, nor does the wind or magnetic fields - those haven't been seen either.
As for the Big Bang, there IS evidence, as radio telescopes can "see" the remnants & effects of it, from very distant galaxies. Think "extrapolation".
You fail at science.
lineswine 1 year ago
This does not prove divine revelation. Whoever wrote the Quran probably knew where babies come from and the people in those days probably learned anatomy from disecting animals and humans just as the Europeans did.
MightyCarnac 1 year ago
@MightyCarnac soo your telling me that people had calculater in 1400 yrs ago?? to work out the sepration between the two seas?? hmm sometimes you need to thing a bit deeper!! because they was no such a thing as sicence back then. is time to actually take life serous and admit that islam is sent by ALLAH(GOD) is the light of guidance.
nasreen51 1 year ago
@nasreen51 Yes, they did have a calculator (please note the spelling) - it was called an abacus & was in use by the Chinese several thousands of years ago - long before your sick death cult was ever dreamed up by your peadophile "perfect man".
Believe what you like - you're free to do so, but please stop your zealots murdering people to try join a sex party in your "heaven".
I can see why they prize "72 virgins" so highly - if Mo the Paedo was alive, they wouldn't be any past the age of 9!
lineswine 1 year ago
@lineswine firstly thanks for the spelling i really appreciate (NOT) this is not like am writing a letter to the president or something, therefore don't tell me how to write or not. however you stupid, uneducated piece of crap don't speak with no knowledge because your spitting dirt out when you speak with words that don't even make sense. and is funny how you make your own narrative bullshit about Islam. i suggest you to do more reading and searching coz your mind doesn't listen to your hear.
nasreen51 1 year ago
@MightyCarnac The book has also been translated a lot and it can be interprited a lot ways. Just ask an Islamic person why some Islamic people are terrorists its because they manipulate what is written.
mainvideos2009 1 year ago
@MightyCarnac no one wrote the quran. the quran was sent by Allah to Mohhamed(SAW).
MonkeyPsycho 11 months ago
@MonkeyPsycho The Mormons say much the same about their Book of Mormon. Maybe they're right. Or maybe Mohammad was as big a fraud as Joseph Smith. Which scenario is more probable?
MightyCarnac 11 months ago
Can you say Confirmation Bias?
CMO999 1 year ago
654 Sura XXII, Quran : “Have you not seen that Allah has subjected to you all that is in the earth, and the vessels that run upon the sea by his behest? And that He holds back the heaven lest it should fall on the earth, save by His leave? Truly, Allah is to mankind propitious and merciful.
Allah holds Heavens or it will fall on Earth LOL This only means one thing, Allah indeed thought Earth was Center of the Universe and everything would fall on it...
Allahu Akbar,
Science in Quran LOL
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
This is nothing more than religious expediency.
Islam's desperate attempt to make sense of its scripture to fit the scientific discoveries that later came to be known. If Islam gets away with this, then anything goes once we abandon logic and sound arguments.
How difficult is it for Abrahamic religion to admit that their basis of belief is nothing but a fantasy fiction?
Religion is no basis for any scientific belief.
fastballonly 1 year ago
Is that Pedo Mo's sperm?
ac44na45va46 1 year ago
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Let it be known that The Qur'an is the Preserved and Last Book / Scripture / Revelation / Testament of God Almighty. It is the truth in all matters. I sincerely invite everyone to fully read The Qur'an with an open heart (without bias or agenda) and see. May God Guide you. Ameen. God Willing! Peace.
LoveAllahMost 1 year ago
Hmmm, why didn't they convert to islam?
pheeson 1 year ago
burning forever for not obeying during our short lives?
Yikes! That doesn't seem very reasonable, does it?
imperator332 1 year ago
The Koran also says Allah made man out of water. Surprise surprise, the body is mostly water.
I think knowledge of germs would have been more important than zygotes though. I mean, it's nice, but if Momo knew what germs were he probably could have saved several millions of people.
Then again.....the ancient Greeks, several hundred years earlier, invented the first computer. So the fact that Mo got sex right doesn't impress me much.
imperator332 1 year ago
@imperator332 What we think is not important... what Allah says is important.
But then again 'Man is ever hasty!' ... Allah Says.
But if we accept & Follow Allah's Orders and his Final Messengers Ways, we'll be successful in this life and the life hereafter which is forever.
najeebmama 1 year ago
@najeebmama
There's a life after this one which is forever?
Kinda makes this one rather insignificant....
imperator332 1 year ago
@imperator332 insignificant in the sense of time. But if we look @ the big picture this present life itself is the only chance we have either to make ourselves (Attaining Allah's pleasure by obeying him and earning eternal paradise... or ... to break ourselves (By not bringing faith on to him, even though clear signs are present but due to our ignorance and pride we will burn forever in hellfire for our stupidity of not looking beyond ourselves. May Allah help and Guide us ALL. Ameen. .
najeebmama 1 year ago
@imperator332 he also got the creation of the universe right (the big bang), he got the Khunnas right and the Tariq (the black hole that sucks in stars) he got the biological embryo development right, he got the barrier between the ocean and the sea right (salt water and pure water) .... soo.. yeah not impressive at all for an illeterate. Its so easy a caveman can do it!!
48212Art 1 year ago
@48212Art
*illiterate
Yes, the Golden Age of Islam was nice. It's also over.
That said, Biblical, Koran, and every prophesy succumbs to "affirming the consequent".
A post-hoc fitting of now known information to previously indecipherable or vague "holy" prophesies.
Did any Islamic scholars publish these findings in medical journals? Did any of this great stuff the Koran supposedly teaches ever get recorded in the science of the day?
Ask yourself these questions.
imperator332 1 year ago
@imperator332 Sure they did Search for Islamic Science during medeival times and you will have the answer to your question. For Keywords: Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi, .. so study 100% first and then we will talk. But regardless the Quran is enough and they are not vague prophecies .. the verses are very straightforward.
48212Art 1 year ago
@48212Art
I can tell you didn't understand what I wrote, because in response you gave me two people who did not publish anything about the zygote or embryonic fertilization.
Perhaps it's you who should study 100%....
imperator332 1 year ago
@imperator332 lol i said to study Islamic science during medeival times.. and i assisted with listing two scholars who wrote two of the very first medical encyclopedias .. and like i said why would anything need to be recorded when it is already evident and recorded in the Quran itself? Maybe i dont understand what you wrote... you said why are they not recorded... why re-record it?
48212Art 1 year ago
@48212Art
Because there is no evidence of this "discovery" being used or known. It's the video's own contention, and falls victim, as already stated, to a textbook example of affirming the consequent.
You say it's in the Koran, but that's a post-hoc contention. You'd have to show evidence it was known at the time.
Find me the passage in any medieval islamic scholar that talks about Chorionic villi, and you will have proven your point.
Otherwise: logical fallacy.
imperator332 1 year ago
@48212Art
As a counter-example, the Greeks and Romans knew the Earth was round. This can be demonstrated by the fairly accurate measurement of the earth's circumference by Eratosthenes, as well as Maxentius' imperial scepter which has a globe on it.
There is no demonstration of this supposed knowledge embedded in the Koran at the time, therefore the contention that it does so is a post-hoc false attribution.
imperator332 1 year ago
@48212Art
Likewise, the bias of Islamic scholars wishing to show the "truth" of the Koran are displaying a confirmation bias.
There is evidence of absence of this knowledge in the 7th century, and the sentiment that Mohammed "must have known" is classic post-hoc attribution error. While other explanations exist, and while there is no confirmed evidence of this medical knowledge being put into practice, I have no reason to accept the premise that this claim is true.
imperator332 1 year ago
@48212Art Straightforward...so what is "straightforward" in the hadith that states "satan lives in your nose at night"?
lineswine 1 year ago
@lineswine lol... how do you know he doesnt? Just because it sounds crazy doesnt necessarily mean it cannot be true. 1400 years ago if you were to tell the people that in a couple hundred years they'd be cars and huge skyscrapers and computers and little devices that would allow you to communicate with people from across the world they'd think you were crazy.
48212Art 1 year ago
and ppl still dont belevie in islam were not trying to make a war here islam is about peace so dont think other wize ok, these ppl you see that are trying to make a war there not muslims, i'm not forsing any body were just convinsing you that islam is right......
2010gamereview 1 year ago
Copy and pasted this "Quran Miracle Debunked 1 of 50 : Biology / Embryology" in youtube search engine and watch the video. Make sure to watch all three parts
maroom1 1 year ago
@hempartist420 man try to read that book .. the most wise thing is to read different things and judje for which is the best .. dont just say its bullshit ..
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@hempartist420 Soon you will just how much bullshit my friend,,,
CGJUGO80 1 year ago
@CGJUGO80 its so patheitc how you try to make everything in the quran fit to our kniowldge we have thanks to science, not thanks to the quran. If all that knowldge really where in thwe quran, how come you didnt put it to use ? How come you didnt come forward and explained everything ? No, you waited till science found all the answers, and then reinterpreted your quran so it fits the scientific worldview.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago 11
@MrRichardQED well said
ssjmike92 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED ok .. ur right that some people just waited and that is wrong .. but the point here is that when science started and thing becoming unvieled, we found out that they match with the quran which made us believe more and more.. thats all ..
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 they only match,because you want them to match.The quran is written in a style that allows for many diferent interpretations, so it doesnt really matter what sicence finds out next, you WILL find way to make it fit EXCEPT:
Quran doesnt allow for evolution,and there we have allready a huge mistake in the quran.Practically the whole scientific community backs up evolution (between 97-99% depending on which fields of science you ask),evolution is a fact,and the quran denies it,so q-looses
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED u said it by urself quran is written in a way that allows for many different interpretations. if u read the book carefully and understand every single word of it u will find out that it doesnt have a singe mistake. not only in genes. but in nature and everything in this universe. anyway goodluck with ur thoughts and one more question what is wrong if quran matches with these ? we didnt say sience is wrong and the quran is right .. we just said that they match.
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 It has one major mistake, it doesnt recognize evolution. Evolution is a fact as sure as gravity, so there we have allready a reallly huge mistake.
What is wrong about them matching ? That you interprete the quran in a way that it matches, and then call that proof that the quran is right. Thats just ridiculous, especially some of the examples.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED ok that doesn make the whole thing wrong.it recognises the basic things for a perfect life.it doesn recognise hw 2 bread tomatoes.that doesn make it wrong bro m not jst tryin to b argumentative m jus sayin that if u read the quran u wil recognise that many things are really hapenin.it never told us to do wrong things which harm ourselves or the humanity or the world.. a verse says: god swears upon time than man is in a loss, only those who deal with fair and who deal with patience
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 well the problem is that many muslims believe the quran is perfect and cannot be wrong, then they interprete the quran in a way they like and threaten everyone who is not with them.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED u just got it wrong.. trust me the quran tells nothing but good .. its very clear .. maybe us humans need more time to understand it better and better .. and trust me it is nothing to threaten other. some muslims are extremious and like to think that they are the best specially the wahabis' i agree.. its like a super car with a dumb driver get it ? u dont blame the car but u should blame the driver..
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 If that book really where from god, he would have forseen those problems and would have written it in a way that is easy understood and doesnt lead to so many misinterpretations/misunderstandings. If you want to compare it to cars, its a car that is faulty constructed, so its hard to handle safely and thus leads to many accidents.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED come on brother it is from god.. it IS easy and simple but u just need a clean brain to understand it .. it is just made to fit the cultures since 1400 years. say a person who knows nothing about biology takes a biology book and start reading it.
and exactly about the car example, its hard to handle safely when u are driving fast or in awrong way.just like some people misuse the quran. i blame many muslims specially the extremists.r u a christian bro?
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 Nope, i am a neo pagan, a norse neo pagan to be exact.
If it where so easy to understand, why do so many people get it wrong ? Now by getting it wrong i mean that there are so many different interpretations, so many of them must be wrong, or perhaps all of them. How can a omnipotent and allknowing god let that happen ?
We dont need a holy book, we got a conscience to guide us. Plus we recognize that a allknowing and omnipotent god is a logical fallacy, it doesnt make sense.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED so many people get it wrong because they dont wanna get it right. ill continue the example of a car. a stupid driver comes to drive a brand new 2010 bmw as the best car in the world then he crashes. he comes back and say ohh i didnt understand wat the fuck the computer was saying? so whos stupid. the car manufacturer or the driver?
anyway if u say allknowing god is nonsense, i see no point of continuing this argument.
Albiiz1 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 Lets say god is all powerfull and all knowing. Then you are just a puppet, that do exactly as god says, without any free will. If that is the case, why would god send anyone to hell ? After all they do just what god wanted. On the other hand if you have free will, god is not all powerfull, for he cant controll your will. Either way you end up with a paradoxon.
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@Albiiz1 If i say things like thats nonsense, i have a logical reason to do so, and can argue why. I dont do that just to annoy you (which would really be a reason to end the discussion).
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
@MrRichardQED i know that ur not just doin so to annoy me.i believe that there is a biological power or energy in each human and this power has to go somewhere.and yes we do as god says because god has only said what is good for us.. the free will u are talkin about are the sins.these sins lead to a miserable life or atleast can cause problems and diseases like aids etc
Albiiz1 1 year ago