I got a Hellraiser Special C-8 for X-Mas. I have been working so much all I have done is take it out of the box and put it in the SGR-1C case. That amp sounds good. I still got my two Ibanez TBH-100 solid state heads, (discontinued). I'm hope full my guitar sounds that brutal. Thinking of getting an Engl Invader 150. Any, keep it brutal \m/(-_-)
maybe next you should invest in a better head? you hav a gorgeous collection of guitars but your usinga line 6? have you ever concidered getting an engl?
@wertaw So what if I am running a Line 6 head? I have preferred the tone I get out of this thing to most live rigs I have heard. A lot of people judge line 6 based on their Spider and POD stuff. The HD147 and Vetta II were class act pro rigs.
I have never been crazy about tube amps. They always feel sluggish in their playing response to me. However, I do love the tone of Engls. I don't do anything to justify dropping $2-$4K just on a head though. If I did anything, I would get an Axe FX.
@ICJ3X Usually. Sometimes its a little off, but not by much. The shorter saddle helps, but I may go with a .080 for the F# and see if the extra tension over the .074 helps.
@DarkKnight369 thanks, i played the mapel walnut one in a guitar center for 3 and 1/2 hours straight. decided im buy the hellraiser special or the damien 8
this compared to a c-8 damien elite...how is the neck diffrence? and i see it has schecter tuners how good are they...to anyone who can answer, cuz i know the elite is thin enough for my small hands to shred on
@xlxfinaldeathwishxlx The Schecter locking tuners are pretty good. I hate the black nickel finish though as I have a problem with corrosion. I wish they would go back to either black or chrome.
Not sure on the Damien vs the Hellraiser neck. Unless someone owns both, I doubt you will get an answer. It would be rare for a shop to carry 1 model 8 string, let alone 2.
@xlxfinaldeathwishxlx The Damien Elite 8-string has a bolt on neck, so it's much harder to reach to lower frets. But the Hellraiser has a neck thru design that makes the lower frets much easier to hit. I think the Hellraiser is worth the buy if you're a lead player.
@dremora1324 Most people have a problem with the highest frets on the C-Shape designed 8 strings. The thickness and opening room just makes it hard to reach.
is the neck too thick for average sized hands? I heard schecter necks were kinda chunky. If so I'm going with an ibanez but i like the scheters a lot better.
@clanbigger4 I don't know...I have large hands. The Schecter 8 string necks feel flatter than the 7's. I find them comfortable, but its all personal preference. You can always buy from somewhere with a return policy.
@Tysnatch You need to get your facts straight. The Black Cherry limited run was the first production release of an 8 string by Schecter. It was a limited run of 100 that was released at about the beginning of 2009. It sold quickly so Schecter decided to do a limited run of 100 black C-8's. After that sold, Schecter did a limited run of 100 white models. After all 3 limited runs depleted, Schecter put this guitar in all 3 colors into production.
@MrAugustMordum If you bought it brand new, its not part of the limited run. The limited run models all were released in 2009. Anything now is a normal production model.
which do you like more, the loomis with stock emg 707, the schecter blackjack, the shecter hellraiser c-8 or should i get a blackjack c-8 i dont know whether to buy a 7 or 8 string guitar plz plz help me darkknight369
@laiholapso I would say so. I definitely didn't pay that much though. I got this for $920 with the case included when this was part of the limited 100 run.
If you are just going to buy a guitar to play power chords, why spend so much?
The 808's sound better to me than the 707's. The bridge really needs a brighter pickup in a dark guitar like this. The ATX models would sound better.
8 string awsome nine string meh. i find seven string guitars perfect, and after playing a 8 sting i look at my six strigs and go wow its mssing strings.
i turn around this guitar but i wanna know if she stay tuned?... because she don't have a head lock like the ibanez, i'm asking because the price is pretty cheap....
tanks for response dude and its a good review! tanks!
@prog2djent They discontinued it...so its only a matter of time before all the stores world wide sell out.
Engl amps are amazing though. If I had the money, I would buy a Savage 120, Invader 150, or Special Edition. I would also consider an Engl power amp with an Axe-Fx.
@alecxg Yeah...But I am thinking of trying a .080 instead of the .074 for the F#/Gb string. I am thinking it will fit through the tuning post, but I don't know how it will feel when transitioning between strings.
@DarkKnight369 who know i dont think it would be that bad. on my schecter hellraiser 7 string i put 10/13/17/30/42/52/68. thats not that big of a transition to me. but the 80 on top of a 64. on most bass string the high D string is a 65 and the A string is an 85 so maybe just look at a bass so you can get the basic idea of how it might feel.
@alecxg You know....I may try a .068 for my low A string on my 7's. Right now I have similar string gauges but with a .064. I had some lying around for my 8 string and wanted to bump up the tension. I was playing last night and noticed the tension in the low A is slightly less than the rest which can trip me up in fast runs. I will see if D'addario makes a .068 and give it a try.
@DarkKnight369 yeah the .068 is great for drop A it holds the tension pretty good and feels right to the rest of the strings and has a good clearity to it. thats were i had problems i couldnt find a .068 from D'addario so i used the daddario 10-52's with an ernie ball .068 which im not a big fan of ernie ball but for the moment i guess it works till i can find some from D'addario. so if you find any if you could let me now were you got them from that would be great. thanks!
@alecxg Just checked...D'addario website has them. They also have a .066 which might sound a little better for me to try initially. I just wish they had a .076 or .078, I am sure .080 will work, but I worry about the nut and the tuning peg handling it.
@DarkKnight369 alright thanks for the info! that would probably be good and it would probably suit an A just fine. yeah thats what i worried about when i got the 0.68 cause i was going to get a .070 intially but i was skeptical about it fitting through the tuning peg. the .068 just barely made it through my tuning peg. idk how a guitar tuner would take a .080 since its getting pretty close to bass territory lol im sure it would work great for the F# and probably even could do drop E.
Have you thought about getting the ATX 8? I'm debating between the atx and hellraiser, i have a atx c-7 and love it, but i hear 808 sound tons better than the 8 string blackouts. any experience with them?
@ahub2010 No experience with the 8 string models, but I prefer the 7 string blackouts over the 707's. I can't imagine the 8 string versions would be much different. If anything they would be a better fit since it would be a true bridge and neck combo.
@sacredscam Schecter started making 8 strings as limited run models. In 2008 they released a limited run of the black cherry model. Basically, they only made 100 of them. When it sold quick they made 100 of the black and 100 of the white version as well. In 2009 8 strings became a permanent option for the hellraiser and blackjack ATX lines. You can buy this guitar today. I will say that I have never played a hellraiser that was made this well.
@prog2djent This may be a dumb question, but have you tried turning down the bass or adjusting any other settings? You can try an OD pedal in front of the amp to see if it helps. OD pedals usually help tighten up the low end, which essentially eliminates some of the bass frequencies and mud. You can also try an EQ pedal in front of the amp.
Is it one 10" speaker or one 12" speaker. That makes a difference and its unclear what you were saying. A 12" speaker is going to handle bass better.
@prog2djent Settings vary between amps though, but my guess is the speaker size. Do you crank the gain on OD pedals? I barely have any gain turned on with the OD I use.
You are mistaken about Meshuggah. The Spider Valve MK II has only been out for a year or two. The MK 1 didn't come out until like 2007 or 2008 I think. For the longest time Meshuggah used Vetta II's with no cabs going direct out. I believe Catch 33 was recorded entirely in that way. They use Axe-FX now.
The only spider I would spend money on is the valve MK II. Supposedly its like a POD with tubes. The spider tones are more lower end. I had a Spider II before the HD147 and the 147 blows it away. Line 6 makes it easy with an 8 string if you have 7's or 6's too. You can set up tones for each.
@DarkKnight369 'Spider tones are more lower end' as in cheaper sound, or more bass, i think i know the answer. I'm going to my store in a few days to try the Valve 212, hope it's good, never again will i get a 1 by 12 speaker combo, my amps have been all over the place, playing for 10 yrs, i had a tiddy 10 watt, then a marshall mg 30, then a crate solid state 120 combo, then a hughes and ketter switchblade 50, biggest dissapointment ever, i'd been skeptical about line 6 until the tube range.
i like your reviews you should get something that can handle the bass of a 7 and 8 string for recording so people can actually hear what an 8 can really do
@eefums I had a line 6 tone port UX 2. I run a Mac with the Snow Leopard OS and line 6 still hasn't come up with an up date for it to work on my Mac. I gave up and sold it. I will get something else down the line.
I dont know whether its the setup you have for recording or your amp? But you really dont get the "entire F sharp" experience. Its mostly mud and doesnt sound good. Ive got a killer sub system on my puter......
Im suspecting that you almost need a freakin bass setup to really get it........
Nice guitar....just looses alot in the translation. It actually might need the longer scale to really use the low string.
@georgwashere I record this with the built in mic and camera on my laptop. I doubt it encompasses anywhere near the entire frequency range. On top of that, I have to ease up on the volume a bit as too much will distort the audio...as a result my tone isn't shinning through like it does at a higher volume range...especially with the F#. My mid range cuts through more as I crank it up.
I think the scale length is fine on this guitar. Blackouts or bare knuckles would help clarity though.
Hey man, is the 26.5 scale lenght too short for the low F#? and does the lowest string get too muddy? and finally, do you plug it into a regular guitar amp? awesome playing, btw!
The black cherry has the quilted maple top. Not sure if its a veneer or actual wood that is thick enough to effect tone. The others are just straight up mahogany and rosewood. When I bought this, Schecter 8's were a limited run of 100 black cherry models. They released the other colors and ATX models later based on demand. If I were to buy one right now, I would get the black satin ATX. I think the ebony and blackouts would help the lower notes shine more
@MrJHate Its similar, just a tad wider to accommodate the extra string. Feels flatter than Schecter 7's though. Schecter's are not made for people with small hands though, which is why I like them so much. I am a giant and my hands are big.
@MadPHiL76 8 strings is for whatever you want it to be for. I really dig the work of bands like Scale the summit, and the lowest note on the one dudes 8 string is B. I have enjoyed the vids of the guys who use 8's for finger tapping rhythm and lead stuff as well. I get what you are saying though, and from the perspective of a metal head, I would want to hear what this beast could do on the low end of the sonic spectrum. Hence, my video.
@ChetterNugget Yeah, I have seen some of those vids. The Pro Guitar Shop guy demos all their guitars like that and extended range guitars don't seem to be his specialty.
@FRr3AkOnALEaSh I don't know. I got one to experiment. Still not fully comfortable with it...although it took me a decade to become accustomed to 7 strings.
@DarkKnight369 Ah ok. When i transferred from 6 to 7's, i felt right at home. I've been wanting to play one for years. I was using heavy .060's for the low E tuned to a low A, so i was use to heavier strings. When i go into the whelm of 8 string's, does Schecter do the job? I'm stuck between a Schecter C-8 or an Ibanez RG2228 (Or RGA8)?
@FRr3AkOnALEaSh Yeah, I had an Ibanez RG7420 for about 8 years. It never felt comfortable to me and I could play it, but it didn't feel as right as 6 string did. I then started tuning the Ibanez in drop A...felt better, but still awkward. I finally sold the Ibanez for the 7 string Schecters I have now. The larger neck and longer scale actually felt more comfortable. 7 become home and 6 was odd now.
Have you looked at Agile 8 string, like the Intrepid pro? What about ESP/LTD?
from 4:32 to 5:02 if that is just you messing around then shame on you cause that needs to be made into a song! i was just growling some good shit to that
Most definitely. I doubt you can find a better 8 string for the price. This is one of the first 100 Schecter Hellraiser 8's ever made...it was part of the limited run. This thing is built better than any of my other schecters and sounds amazing acoustically compared to other gloss guitars I have played.
i have my 6 string set up with a 7 string set (56-11)
could i set up a heavy set for a 7 string by doing the same; by making the 6th to 1st on the 7 string the same set i use on my 6 string and a 66 or 68 like an 8th string for the 7th??
Yeah, I bought this to experiment with really. It still takes a while to use the F# musically and creatively. Some have tuned it BEADGBEA, adding the high A. Others have tuned it to G which still gives you a higher string, but also something lower than B as well.
I personally like the tone of G better, but I am not sure about the extra high string. For now, I am fine with it in its native tuning.
Haven't played the Agiles, but those are nice too. They have a longer scale length which is good for tension, but if you worried about size that might make the fret spacing too awkward for you.
The F# saddle should be shortened for proper intonation. I am not sure about the B though. This is a custom hipshot bridge that Schecter requested as intonation with the F# was a problem on guitars without this.
Set up is personal preference, but it usually comes pretty straight from the factory. I always change it as I like a lot of relief in my neck and a bit higher action. Some stores and shops may fiddle with factory set up. Weather and humidity change conditions can mess it up too.
Nope, it was my only one. I've been waiting a long time to play an 8 string. Im a lefty and 8 strings are rare for us... Im sure I'll purchase a 7 string eventually, most likely the Hellraiser V-7!!
Haven't tried one. I had an RG-7420 for 8 years then I sold it. Once I got into Schecter 7's, I lost all interested in the Extended Range Ibanez Guitars.
Their necks cramp my hands. Schecter fits better. The only Ibanez 7 string that truly interested me was the Xiphos. The neck dive is sort of a deal breaker for me though. Plus baritone scale is where it is at for 7 strings.
I also hate floating trems which seems to be the bulk of the bulk of the Ibanez lineup. The sharp corners makes the paint chip if you sneeze at it too.
My hands would probably be in better shape if I played 6 hours a day....or even more than the 1-2 hours a week I play now. Using a keyboard and mouse for 8-10 hours a day doesn't help either.
Yeah. Really I think when it comes to guitars for me, the bigger, the better. Playing 6 strings just feels too weird and awkward for me anymore. I would be willing to give Ibanez another look in the future if they had something without the floating trem and with a baritone scale. If I ever see any of the 8's in a store I will for sure give it a try.
I saw that when it was announced. Its definitely an improvement over the RG2228, but I am still not all that interested. If I ever see one in the store I will definitely give it a whirl.
thank you for doing the clean notes at the end. im always anxious to hear how an 8 string does on the clean channels rather than hear the chug chugs all the time. but dont get me wrong, chugs are good as well.
There is a video of a guy who is doings all clean + effects with finger tapping on a C-8 Blackjack ATX. Its pretty sweet. I can't remember the name of the guy whose video it was though.
Is the Hellraiser's EMG's better than the BlackJack ATX's Blackouts? im trying to choose between those two guitars and i have no idea what is better...im more of a shredder and ive heard nothing but good from both pickups...
I got a Hellraiser Special C-8 for X-Mas. I have been working so much all I have done is take it out of the box and put it in the SGR-1C case. That amp sounds good. I still got my two Ibanez TBH-100 solid state heads, (discontinued). I'm hope full my guitar sounds that brutal. Thinking of getting an Engl Invader 150. Any, keep it brutal \m/(-_-)
TempestaRiggs 2 months ago
@TempestaRiggs The Invader would be pretty sweet.
DarkKnight369 1 month ago
lol Flobby Mc String Central \m/
buttsniffjackwagon1 2 months ago
maybe next you should invest in a better head? you hav a gorgeous collection of guitars but your usinga line 6? have you ever concidered getting an engl?
wertaw 4 months ago in playlist Schecter Guitars
@wertaw So what if I am running a Line 6 head? I have preferred the tone I get out of this thing to most live rigs I have heard. A lot of people judge line 6 based on their Spider and POD stuff. The HD147 and Vetta II were class act pro rigs.
I have never been crazy about tube amps. They always feel sluggish in their playing response to me. However, I do love the tone of Engls. I don't do anything to justify dropping $2-$4K just on a head though. If I did anything, I would get an Axe FX.
DarkKnight369 4 months ago
Hey dave does the low F# intonate well with the 26.5 scale?
ICJ3X 5 months ago
@ICJ3X Usually. Sometimes its a little off, but not by much. The shorter saddle helps, but I may go with a .080 for the F# and see if the extra tension over the .074 helps.
DarkKnight369 5 months ago
@DarkKnight369 thanks, i played the mapel walnut one in a guitar center for 3 and 1/2 hours straight. decided im buy the hellraiser special or the damien 8
xlxfinaldeathwishxlx 5 months ago
this compared to a c-8 damien elite...how is the neck diffrence? and i see it has schecter tuners how good are they...to anyone who can answer, cuz i know the elite is thin enough for my small hands to shred on
xlxfinaldeathwishxlx 5 months ago
@xlxfinaldeathwishxlx The Schecter locking tuners are pretty good. I hate the black nickel finish though as I have a problem with corrosion. I wish they would go back to either black or chrome.
Not sure on the Damien vs the Hellraiser neck. Unless someone owns both, I doubt you will get an answer. It would be rare for a shop to carry 1 model 8 string, let alone 2.
DarkKnight369 5 months ago
@xlxfinaldeathwishxlx The Damien Elite 8-string has a bolt on neck, so it's much harder to reach to lower frets. But the Hellraiser has a neck thru design that makes the lower frets much easier to hit. I think the Hellraiser is worth the buy if you're a lead player.
dremora1324 2 months ago
@dremora1324 Most people have a problem with the highest frets on the C-Shape designed 8 strings. The thickness and opening room just makes it hard to reach.
DarkKnight369 1 month ago
is the neck too thick for average sized hands? I heard schecter necks were kinda chunky. If so I'm going with an ibanez but i like the scheters a lot better.
clanbigger4 5 months ago
@clanbigger4 I don't know...I have large hands. The Schecter 8 string necks feel flatter than the 7's. I find them comfortable, but its all personal preference. You can always buy from somewhere with a return policy.
DarkKnight369 5 months ago
Black cherry is a common finish that anyone can get. The limited edition one is gloss black.
Tysnatch 6 months ago
@Tysnatch You need to get your facts straight. The Black Cherry limited run was the first production release of an 8 string by Schecter. It was a limited run of 100 that was released at about the beginning of 2009. It sold quickly so Schecter decided to do a limited run of 100 black C-8's. After that sold, Schecter did a limited run of 100 white models. After all 3 limited runs depleted, Schecter put this guitar in all 3 colors into production.
DarkKnight369 6 months ago
I just got 1 of these 100 crazy @ss monsters today !!! ... FCKNG AWSOME ...
(try this sh*t out ... not kinda fear factory but it will do ... "headbanginwise")
MrAugustMordum 6 months ago
@MrAugustMordum If you bought it brand new, its not part of the limited run. The limited run models all were released in 2009. Anything now is a normal production model.
DarkKnight369 6 months ago
@DarkKnight369 see where it says 'uploaded by x on feb 11 2009'?
tonystrong11 4 months ago
@tonystrong11 NO, what are you talking about?
DarkKnight369 4 months ago
bitchin tone!
metalman1a 6 months ago
@metalman1a Thanks.
DarkKnight369 6 months ago
you, good sir, have me convinced. going out to buy a tasty 8 string tomorrow!
gianteroticbear 6 months ago
do you like fear factory isn`t? :P
sercenare123 7 months ago
@sercenare123 8 string would more be Divine Heresy, but yes on both accounts. Although, they are by no means my favorite bands.
DarkKnight369 7 months ago
orgasmic tone man :)
Stem7624 7 months ago
which do you like more, the loomis with stock emg 707, the schecter blackjack, the shecter hellraiser c-8 or should i get a blackjack c-8 i dont know whether to buy a 7 or 8 string guitar plz plz help me darkknight369
TheMetalhead804 8 months ago
@TheMetalhead804 Loomis with blackouts. If you have yet to play a 7, then start there.
DarkKnight369 8 months ago
Nice...as always sick ass playing DarKnight
verber001 8 months ago
@verber001 Thanks dude.
DarkKnight369 8 months ago
Bast!!!
RockStarTru 9 months ago
Where can I find strings for this beast?? seems a 7 plus a bass G string oO
OuvidoInterativo 11 months ago
@OuvidoInterativo You have to buy the 7 th and 8th individually. I use D'addarios website or just strings dot com.
DarkKnight369 11 months ago
@DarkKnight369 one question to u. is it worth the 1500 dollars?
i can't say powerchords sound better with the 7-8 string exstra but it sure does sound good.
how are the emg 808's?
laiholapso 11 months ago
@laiholapso I would say so. I definitely didn't pay that much though. I got this for $920 with the case included when this was part of the limited 100 run.
If you are just going to buy a guitar to play power chords, why spend so much?
The 808's sound better to me than the 707's. The bridge really needs a brighter pickup in a dark guitar like this. The ATX models would sound better.
DarkKnight369 11 months ago
gots me a stringless guitar w no neck and invisible body.
incredible sustain !
BeavisNacho 1 year ago 13
how is the neck
Warriorboss14 1 year ago
@Warriorboss14 Its fine, I don't have any issue with it. I have not played other 8 strings, so I cannot compare it.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
8 string awsome nine string meh. i find seven string guitars perfect, and after playing a 8 sting i look at my six strigs and go wow its mssing strings.
Mrsfatblackchick 1 year ago
i turn around this guitar but i wanna know if she stay tuned?... because she don't have a head lock like the ibanez, i'm asking because the price is pretty cheap....
tanks for response dude and its a good review! tanks!
EMGXX84 1 year ago
@EMGXX84
It has locking tuners and it stays in tune quite well. Way less hassle than any locking nut and bridge setup as well.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
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prog2djent 1 year ago
@prog2djent HD147 is more for metal. POD has more general patches...does have some extra effects too I think.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
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prog2djent 1 year ago
@prog2djent They discontinued it...so its only a matter of time before all the stores world wide sell out.
Engl amps are amazing though. If I had the money, I would buy a Savage 120, Invader 150, or Special Edition. I would also consider an Engl power amp with an Axe-Fx.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
what gauge strings did you use on this guitar?
alecxg 1 year ago
@alecxg The gauge it comes with.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 i havent researched much on this guitar. last time i checked i saw 10/13/17/30/42/52/64/74 is that the right gauge?
alecxg 1 year ago
@alecxg Yeah...But I am thinking of trying a .080 instead of the .074 for the F#/Gb string. I am thinking it will fit through the tuning post, but I don't know how it will feel when transitioning between strings.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 who know i dont think it would be that bad. on my schecter hellraiser 7 string i put 10/13/17/30/42/52/68. thats not that big of a transition to me. but the 80 on top of a 64. on most bass string the high D string is a 65 and the A string is an 85 so maybe just look at a bass so you can get the basic idea of how it might feel.
alecxg 1 year ago
@alecxg You know....I may try a .068 for my low A string on my 7's. Right now I have similar string gauges but with a .064. I had some lying around for my 8 string and wanted to bump up the tension. I was playing last night and noticed the tension in the low A is slightly less than the rest which can trip me up in fast runs. I will see if D'addario makes a .068 and give it a try.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 yeah the .068 is great for drop A it holds the tension pretty good and feels right to the rest of the strings and has a good clearity to it. thats were i had problems i couldnt find a .068 from D'addario so i used the daddario 10-52's with an ernie ball .068 which im not a big fan of ernie ball but for the moment i guess it works till i can find some from D'addario. so if you find any if you could let me now were you got them from that would be great. thanks!
alecxg 1 year ago
@alecxg Just checked...D'addario website has them. They also have a .066 which might sound a little better for me to try initially. I just wish they had a .076 or .078, I am sure .080 will work, but I worry about the nut and the tuning peg handling it.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 alright thanks for the info! that would probably be good and it would probably suit an A just fine. yeah thats what i worried about when i got the 0.68 cause i was going to get a .070 intially but i was skeptical about it fitting through the tuning peg. the .068 just barely made it through my tuning peg. idk how a guitar tuner would take a .080 since its getting pretty close to bass territory lol im sure it would work great for the F# and probably even could do drop E.
alecxg 1 year ago
Have you thought about getting the ATX 8? I'm debating between the atx and hellraiser, i have a atx c-7 and love it, but i hear 808 sound tons better than the 8 string blackouts. any experience with them?
ahub2010 1 year ago
@ahub2010 No experience with the 8 string models, but I prefer the 7 string blackouts over the 707's. I can't imagine the 8 string versions would be much different. If anything they would be a better fit since it would be a true bridge and neck combo.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
love your setup man! whoop line 6! what one you have?? i can't think of it atm lol it's 4 am O.o
metaldemonseanknels 1 year ago
@metaldemonseanknels HD147
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
How much was it? I'm thinking about this one or the Ibanez RGA-8.
Archeron33 1 year ago
@Archeron33
I think I got it for $920 w/ case.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@Archeron33 if you get an RGA-8 change the pickups in it, i have one and the stock pups arent great
Theibanezkid 1 year ago
I just wanna see one guy use this in country that would be hilarious
yabbapcdfg 1 year ago
sounds killer witt da HD147...
bchewdown 1 year ago
@bchewdown Thanks dude!
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
now is the guitar it self a limited edition or the color? becuase i would seel BOTH of my testicals for this lol
sacredscam 1 year ago
@sacredscam Schecter started making 8 strings as limited run models. In 2008 they released a limited run of the black cherry model. Basically, they only made 100 of them. When it sold quick they made 100 of the black and 100 of the white version as well. In 2009 8 strings became a permanent option for the hellraiser and blackjack ATX lines. You can buy this guitar today. I will say that I have never played a hellraiser that was made this well.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
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prog2djent 1 year ago
@prog2djent This may be a dumb question, but have you tried turning down the bass or adjusting any other settings? You can try an OD pedal in front of the amp to see if it helps. OD pedals usually help tighten up the low end, which essentially eliminates some of the bass frequencies and mud. You can also try an EQ pedal in front of the amp.
Is it one 10" speaker or one 12" speaker. That makes a difference and its unclear what you were saying. A 12" speaker is going to handle bass better.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
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prog2djent 1 year ago
@prog2djent Settings vary between amps though, but my guess is the speaker size. Do you crank the gain on OD pedals? I barely have any gain turned on with the OD I use.
You are mistaken about Meshuggah. The Spider Valve MK II has only been out for a year or two. The MK 1 didn't come out until like 2007 or 2008 I think. For the longest time Meshuggah used Vetta II's with no cabs going direct out. I believe Catch 33 was recorded entirely in that way. They use Axe-FX now.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
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prog2djent 1 year ago
@prog2djent
The only spider I would spend money on is the valve MK II. Supposedly its like a POD with tubes. The spider tones are more lower end. I had a Spider II before the HD147 and the 147 blows it away. Line 6 makes it easy with an 8 string if you have 7's or 6's too. You can set up tones for each.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 'Spider tones are more lower end' as in cheaper sound, or more bass, i think i know the answer. I'm going to my store in a few days to try the Valve 212, hope it's good, never again will i get a 1 by 12 speaker combo, my amps have been all over the place, playing for 10 yrs, i had a tiddy 10 watt, then a marshall mg 30, then a crate solid state 120 combo, then a hughes and ketter switchblade 50, biggest dissapointment ever, i'd been skeptical about line 6 until the tube range.
prog2djent 1 year ago
@prog2djent Yeah, as in cheaper. They are bedroom amps.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
kwl thick strings then what is the lowest it can be tuned to?
James57433 1 year ago
@James57433 I think you can maybe get away with low E.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
Haha I got here by searching "100 string guitar"
NoaOno 1 year ago
i like your reviews you should get something that can handle the bass of a 7 and 8 string for recording so people can actually hear what an 8 can really do
eefums 1 year ago
@eefums I had a line 6 tone port UX 2. I run a Mac with the Snow Leopard OS and line 6 still hasn't come up with an up date for it to work on my Mac. I gave up and sold it. I will get something else down the line.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
I dont know whether its the setup you have for recording or your amp? But you really dont get the "entire F sharp" experience. Its mostly mud and doesnt sound good. Ive got a killer sub system on my puter......
Im suspecting that you almost need a freakin bass setup to really get it........
Nice guitar....just looses alot in the translation. It actually might need the longer scale to really use the low string.
Nice review.............
georgwashere 1 year ago
@georgwashere I record this with the built in mic and camera on my laptop. I doubt it encompasses anywhere near the entire frequency range. On top of that, I have to ease up on the volume a bit as too much will distort the audio...as a result my tone isn't shinning through like it does at a higher volume range...especially with the F#. My mid range cuts through more as I crank it up.
I think the scale length is fine on this guitar. Blackouts or bare knuckles would help clarity though.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
how´s the line 6 in your opinion ? :)
Theguitarskater1 1 year ago
@Theguitarskater1 awesome.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
"It could use a little more tightness to be super tight!"
spion92 1 year ago
@turok0404 i have the 6-string and yes its good for metal, but seriously, just look at it, its for shredding and most people should know that
brux559 1 year ago
@turok0404 I am sorry, but this is a really dumb question. The whole point of the hellraiser series is for hard rock/metal players.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
i got the damien elite and dropped the lowest string to E so i have 3 E strings its so fuckin brutal
thrashmetalhead1992 1 year ago
damn that thing roars. but who needs to go that low.SCHECTER FTW even the cheap models kick ass
deanrockerr1994 1 year ago
Hey man, is the 26.5 scale lenght too short for the low F#? and does the lowest string get too muddy? and finally, do you plug it into a regular guitar amp? awesome playing, btw!
mcpihvi 1 year ago
@mcpihvi Did you even watch the video?
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
Great tones. How thick the lowest string is?
truedimebagdarrell 1 year ago
@truedimebagdarrell As I mentioned n the video, he lowest is a .074.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 Thx!
truedimebagdarrell 1 year ago
wow surprised you actually responded..thanks man i'll take your advice but, where could i find/buy a black satin ATX model?
metalmaniac9498 1 year ago
@metalmaniac9498 I always try to respond to questions.
Drum City guitar land as the black satin C-8 ATX in stock. I saw it on musician's friend site a while back as well.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
so is there any diffrence between the cherry, white, or gloss black guitars? or just the colors
metalmaniac9498 1 year ago
@metalmaniac9498 @metalmaniac9498
The black cherry has the quilted maple top. Not sure if its a veneer or actual wood that is thick enough to effect tone. The others are just straight up mahogany and rosewood. When I bought this, Schecter 8's were a limited run of 100 black cherry models. They released the other colors and ATX models later based on demand. If I were to buy one right now, I would get the black satin ATX. I think the ebony and blackouts would help the lower notes shine more
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
I have a C-7 and the neck is gigantic on it, I couldn't imagine that one.
MrJHate 1 year ago
@MrJHate Its similar, just a tad wider to accommodate the extra string. Feels flatter than Schecter 7's though. Schecter's are not made for people with small hands though, which is why I like them so much. I am a giant and my hands are big.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
FINALLY someone who shows "why 8 Strings?"! 8 strings is just for drop sound and not for fucking virtuous feminine playing!
chugging rulez!!! :-)
MadPHiL76 1 year ago
@MadPHiL76 8 strings is for whatever you want it to be for. I really dig the work of bands like Scale the summit, and the lowest note on the one dudes 8 string is B. I have enjoyed the vids of the guys who use 8's for finger tapping rhythm and lead stuff as well. I get what you are saying though, and from the perspective of a metal head, I would want to hear what this beast could do on the low end of the sonic spectrum. Hence, my video.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
FINALLY i review with a guy chugged on the low strings!!
ChetterNugget 1 year ago 15
This is either really sarcastic, or a lot of the 8 string reviews out there lack low string chugging.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369
Barely any have any playing like you play. I saw a proguitarshop review and the guy was play jazz on it!
ChetterNugget 1 year ago
@ChetterNugget Yeah, I have seen some of those vids. The Pro Guitar Shop guy demos all their guitars like that and extended range guitars don't seem to be his specialty.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@ChetterNugget hahaha, yeah every review i've seen they hardly touch the F#
Ullish1989 1 year ago
@Ullish1989 F# is too hardcore for some...hahaha.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 Then why get an "8" string? There's an extra string for a reason, it's to use it =)
FRr3AkOnALEaSh 1 year ago
@FRr3AkOnALEaSh I don't know. I got one to experiment. Still not fully comfortable with it...although it took me a decade to become accustomed to 7 strings.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 Ah ok. When i transferred from 6 to 7's, i felt right at home. I've been wanting to play one for years. I was using heavy .060's for the low E tuned to a low A, so i was use to heavier strings. When i go into the whelm of 8 string's, does Schecter do the job? I'm stuck between a Schecter C-8 or an Ibanez RG2228 (Or RGA8)?
FRr3AkOnALEaSh 1 year ago
@FRr3AkOnALEaSh Yeah, I had an Ibanez RG7420 for about 8 years. It never felt comfortable to me and I could play it, but it didn't feel as right as 6 string did. I then started tuning the Ibanez in drop A...felt better, but still awkward. I finally sold the Ibanez for the 7 string Schecters I have now. The larger neck and longer scale actually felt more comfortable. 7 become home and 6 was odd now.
Have you looked at Agile 8 string, like the Intrepid pro? What about ESP/LTD?
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
sweet riffing, nice rig. do you play in a band?
dudemac 1 year ago
@dudemac Haven't in a few years.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
how much did it cost
sonobecube 1 year ago
I think I paid $900 with case.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 New? That's not bad.
romanosalvatore 1 year ago
Phat! Wish you had mic'd the amp properly though.
Andragon90 1 year ago
In the future we will have 11 string guitars... With tuning so low only certain types of animals can hear them.
FranklenWylder 1 year ago 60
@FranklenWylder funny shit
agilelow8 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder hahahaha
metaljunkie209 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder And we will use 60 inch scale lengths and 1 inch wide strings.
deathblackthrashing 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder if i ever make a guitar, that is what i will make.
drumskater337 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder Holy balls lmaooooooooo
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I approve of your guitar playing attire.
kpr94777 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder just so that its logical... you do know that animals tend to hear higher pitches beter not lower ones.
prototypep4 1 year ago
they already do have em, they sound like shit lol like F#0 @FranklenWylder
Perfecttargetstudios 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder lol id play it man and write the most complex rhythms that youve never heard lol
CarnalFearAZ 1 year ago
@FranklenWylder They already have them :P check out a band called M.A.N song "Logicide" must cost a bomb!
OC616 10 months ago
Seymour Duncan does now manufacture 8string AHB-1 (set) ..try google u'll find em on some sites for <$200
tubescreamermuff 1 year ago
Yeah I know, but when I made this video they were custom only.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
from 4:32 to 5:02 if that is just you messing around then shame on you cause that needs to be made into a song! i was just growling some good shit to that
Hateeternal2009 1 year ago
Most of what I play in these videos are just me messing around...
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
hey there nice video!!!! xD I have one simple question!Do you think it's worthy of its price???
bornwearethesame 1 year ago
Most definitely. I doubt you can find a better 8 string for the price. This is one of the first 100 Schecter Hellraiser 8's ever made...it was part of the limited run. This thing is built better than any of my other schecters and sounds amazing acoustically compared to other gloss guitars I have played.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
@DarkKnight369 thank you m8 I appreciate it!!! xD
bornwearethesame 1 year ago
i have my 6 string set up with a 7 string set (56-11)
could i set up a heavy set for a 7 string by doing the same; by making the 6th to 1st on the 7 string the same set i use on my 6 string and a 66 or 68 like an 8th string for the 7th??
DVpk47 1 year ago
one of my local shops just got one of these in and it is really nice looking but i cant think when i'd ever use the F# string
DVpk47 1 year ago
Yeah, I bought this to experiment with really. It still takes a while to use the F# musically and creatively. Some have tuned it BEADGBEA, adding the high A. Others have tuned it to G which still gives you a higher string, but also something lower than B as well.
I personally like the tone of G better, but I am not sure about the extra high string. For now, I am fine with it in its native tuning.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
I would love to buy this but afraid it's to wide. Might settle for agile
schecter707 1 year ago
Haven't played the Agiles, but those are nice too. They have a longer scale length which is good for tension, but if you worried about size that might make the fret spacing too awkward for you.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
Wats the radius of the neck
schecter707 1 year ago
Not sure about the radius. It feels like a Schecter 7 neck that is a bit wider to accommodate the 8th string.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
My lefty C-8 has the shortened saddle for the F# and the B... it came to me set up REALLY BADLY.
demonj00 1 year ago
The F# saddle should be shortened for proper intonation. I am not sure about the B though. This is a custom hipshot bridge that Schecter requested as intonation with the F# was a problem on guitars without this.
Set up is personal preference, but it usually comes pretty straight from the factory. I always change it as I like a lot of relief in my neck and a bit higher action. Some stores and shops may fiddle with factory set up. Weather and humidity change conditions can mess it up too.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
can I come over to your house?, finally someone doing a good 8 string demo broootal
sk8357 1 year ago
thanks alot darknight369
loosifur 1 year ago
what battery type does the schecter take
loosifur 1 year ago
All Active pickups take a 9v battery.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
taking a wild guess but it sounds like you are influenced by dino cazares a lot
abysslord16 1 year ago
A little bit, but I don't ever consider myself to be playing in a similar style to him.
DarkKnight369 1 year ago
Nice!! I just traded my C-7 Helraiser for the C-8. I cant wait to get it!!!
Sagit19 2 years ago
I hope you have another 7 to play with. 8's are cool, but I personally love 7's...they are my bread and butter.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
Nope, it was my only one. I've been waiting a long time to play an 8 string. Im a lefty and 8 strings are rare for us... Im sure I'll purchase a 7 string eventually, most likely the Hellraiser V-7!!
Sagit19 2 years ago
f-ing great video
Ever tried an eight string RG?
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
Thanks!
Haven't tried one. I had an RG-7420 for 8 years then I sold it. Once I got into Schecter 7's, I lost all interested in the Extended Range Ibanez Guitars.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
too bad
i still consider ibanez as the greatest brand when it comes to sevenstrings
only tried a schecter once
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
Their necks cramp my hands. Schecter fits better. The only Ibanez 7 string that truly interested me was the Xiphos. The neck dive is sort of a deal breaker for me though. Plus baritone scale is where it is at for 7 strings.
I also hate floating trems which seems to be the bulk of the bulk of the Ibanez lineup. The sharp corners makes the paint chip if you sneeze at it too.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
haha ok
Im thinking the exact opposite way XD
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
Yeah. Many find thin necks better, especially on 7's. I can't stand them. My big meat hooks need something to hold onto.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
funny
i have really huge hands
my ibanez has a pretty wide neck tho
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
my 7420 felt line the strings were too close together or something..it hurt to play for extended periods.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
ah i play like 6 hours a day
never had that problem...
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
My hands would probably be in better shape if I played 6 hours a day....or even more than the 1-2 hours a week I play now. Using a keyboard and mouse for 8-10 hours a day doesn't help either.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
hahaha
i guess so
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
Yeah. Really I think when it comes to guitars for me, the bigger, the better. Playing 6 strings just feels too weird and awkward for me anymore. I would be willing to give Ibanez another look in the future if they had something without the floating trem and with a baritone scale. If I ever see any of the 8's in a store I will for sure give it a try.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
know what? go to ibanez website and look up the RGA8
thenameiwantedwasnta 2 years ago
I saw that when it was announced. Its definitely an improvement over the RG2228, but I am still not all that interested. If I ever see one in the store I will definitely give it a whirl.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
1 to 2 hrs a WEEK! I would go insane...
Hateeternal2009 2 years ago
Only so much time out of work that I have to balance between guitar, video games, my creative side business, and maintaining a house.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
thank you for doing the clean notes at the end. im always anxious to hear how an 8 string does on the clean channels rather than hear the chug chugs all the time. but dont get me wrong, chugs are good as well.
joshthemag 2 years ago
Not a problem.
There is a video of a guy who is doings all clean + effects with finger tapping on a C-8 Blackjack ATX. Its pretty sweet. I can't remember the name of the guy whose video it was though.
DarkKnight369 2 years ago
Is the Hellraiser's EMG's better than the BlackJack ATX's Blackouts? im trying to choose between those two guitars and i have no idea what is better...im more of a shredder and ive heard nothing but good from both pickups...
MrLOLURDEAD 2 years ago