HARDtalk: Helen Clark 1

[hidepuller2008]

Look at the corporate criminal N.Z has just elected for a second term John keys. This woman had legitimate love for country and its people.

[schmoonzx]

I actually liked this lady.

[LemmingHerda]

Bullshit, chances of NZ getting a referendum on becoming a republic is bugger all either when this traitorous harpy was PM or now that shonkey jon is PM.

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Both are ardently traitorous globalist scum and globalist scum don't like the idea of countries reasserting their soverignty, ... their U.N. and banking masters in the NWO would not give them a pat on the head for that.

[howee100]

We still need a queen in NZ because it is filled with fairies and our beloved Helen likes fairies......

[colinpostnz]

it is a commie mole it makes me sick .wait till it starts at the UN the worlds fucked

[colinpostnz]

she is a nihilist

[LightYearsFromHere]

Listen to her acting so diplomatic. Helen hasnt the honesty to say to the interviewer, or the Queen, that she expects republic soon so that she can be annointed President and imagine herself as Queen Helen of New Zealand.

A person who believes in nothing: not faith, history, tradition, loyalty, nothing but personal ambition and gratification of one's own ego is incapable of being honest.

I bet it kills Helen to be around the Queen with folks saying 'your majesty' to Elizabeth and not to her.

[steveoreiot]

your fucking retarded. helen is easy to hate. shes a women, shes a social liberal, shes a women. everyone loves to hate her. why dont people start critizing her politics and not her herself.

[churrs]

Lolz @ your stupidity, you sad little person.

So the point you're so painfully trying to get at is that she's power tripping, right? Well, she fucking deserves to. How many things she ahs done have you done in your puny lifetime? You would've rather had Don Brash (where the f is he now anyway?) aye. You sad, sad little person. Stop the jealousy, bro

[incitatus167]

This clip reminds me of why I have such respect for Helen Clark. She handled these questions extremely diplomatically, politely, and firmly.

[zebul0n7]

Helen no one wants you, please don't join the UN just go away and dig a hole for yourself and stay there

[steinijg]

Man that woman is gutless! Has no gut's to say anything that might be remotely controversial!

[eckyboyo]

She may not be controversial but her country is economically viable!

[1enzeder]

1. It's not 'her' country.

2. Where on earth did you come up with the idea that NZ is economically viable ? NZ is second only to Iceland in terms of national debt, and Iceland has just collapsed economically and are bankrupt.

[eckyboyo]

1. It is my country, it is your country, it is Helen Clark's country.

2. Where did you come up with the idea that New Zealand is not economically viable? Where have the wheels fallen off?

[1HoneHeke1]

Woo hoo shes not our prime minister any more!!!

[eckyboyo]

Time will tell Hone

[amanda1bone36]

Yes i do find it sickening, and i find it sickening that you dont support a bill that makes a stand against violence towards children. You may be a well rounded individual who knows the difference between beating your two year old to death with a plank of wood and a smack but clearly there are those out there who don't, the bill is simply there to make sure they don't have a defence in a court for what they do. Calling that anti family is just buying into the political propganda around the issue

[1enzeder]

By the time the perpetrator is in court the child is already beaten half to death. Cold comfort. You appear to have an interest in sociology so should realize that the problem is a social one not a legislative one. If the family is weakened, society is weakened.

[amanda1bone36]

If the legislation is so ineffectual then why bother changing it? Except to make a point that NZers really really want to hit their children. It makes me ashamed. I'm sure there are more important things one could be doing, e.g media messages against family violence, as we all know how much the media influences society.

[kaner11]

Helen is a Fascist

[wokupg]

maoris were here first for ur info georgewtwat

[verypleasemeetyou]

Helen Clark defends abortion by calling it "pro-choice". Allegedly "choice" to her is so important it can be used to justify abortion without any explicit facts about abortion being needed! Yet here are the issues she is anti-choice on: -school choice -spending choice -smacking choice -food choice -smoking choice -hospital choice -private property rights Conclusion: She's not really pro-choice. "Choice", for a leftwing feminist, is just a convenient lie used to try to justify abortion.

[1enzeder]

Yep, but actually I don't think she cares one way or the other. Only how she looks, personally in front of the United Nations horde. Why else would she impose on us this long list of PC crap legislation, unwanted by every last NZer? She is  (and has been) prepared to sell out the entire Country to ensure she's sitting pretty when this Country finally wakes up to her and gives her the axe.

[amanda1bone36]

PC crap legislation unwanted by every last NZer? Dude, reality check, I'm glad we can't hit our children, I'm glad that the right to equality is extended to homosexuals, I'm glad prosititution is legalized, because its around anyway so it may as well be safe. How dare you put your close minded right wing views as the views of the nation. Helen Clark is the best pm we have had in years and labour has helped turn NZ into one of the most enlightened countries in the world. please move to texas.

[1enzeder]

"I'm glad WE can't hit OUR children" - truly spoken like someone who actually has no children. MY kids are not 'our' kids, and busybodies and the "mummy knows best" state can stay the hell out of my family.NOBODY knows or loves my kids like I do, I correct them because I love them and want them to grow into happy, self-controlled adults. They live free of fear and fully aware how much they are loved.Every last piece of legislation you refer to is anti-family as is Clark.

[1enzeder]

Here's a reality check for you, since the introduction of anti-smacking the actual statistics for brutality (leading to hospitalization) toward children by the non-family (casual) partners of the mothers has been exponentially increasing. Have you noticed that those who use the term 'enlightened' to describe a group of people are normally themselves?

[amanda1bone36]

Also, you should really broaden your education if you run around using the term "anti family" in everyday life. You can spell for a start, and take great pains with your grammar so I'm guessing you're a thinking person. Which is why I'm dissapointed with your backward views. I would recommend reading some sociology texts to have a look at how much of a myth the "family" is. If you are a fundemental christian please say so now so I can stop bothering with all these replies.

[1enzeder]

My, you do give a lot of advice and make a lot of recommendations. I would recommend dropping the sociology papers and actually having a family To see how much of a myth the "family" isn't. I gather from your "fundemental christian" comment you are one to marginalise and dismiss the views of any group whose paradigm does not align with your own. Is that what you mean by enlightened?

[amanda1bone36]

It's not the fundementalists VIEWS I dismiss and marginalize it's the thought processes behind them.e.g because brian tamaki told me so. Anybody who had really thought about the issue from the p.o.v of somebody with a brain although I would disagree with them I would still see their opinion as legitimate and worthy of discussion. So if ur experience and analysis has led you to ur conclusions I see a point in discussing things with u, but if your source is a misinterpretaion of the bible then no.

[1enzeder]

So now you are speaking as a theologian. If you are going speak about misinterpretation of the bible You shouldn't generalize if you are going to bring it up at all. If you can speak of a particular doctrine and reference the scripture on which it is founded It would determine whether you are speaking from fact or opinion.

[amanda1bone36]

don't you find it slightly ridiculous that you say that "two experienced parents who know what they are talking about would NEVER talk about raising their children without hitting them" (which is blatantly untrue) and then ten minutes later have a go at me for generalizing and touting my opinion as fact? Which is how we started talking about this in the first place, because you were generalizing and putting your personal political views across as the veiws of every New Zealander!

[thatcher88]

Well what right do you, the state or any other entity have the right to determine what a woman does with her own body (an embyo or undeveloped baby is still attaced to her body).

[1enzeder]

Did you know more than one in five unborn babies in this country are slaughtered? dont you find that just slightly sickening?

[amanda1bone36]

yes, you're right, I don't have any children, but my parents never hit me when I was growing up, and I've turned out completely fine. I have conflict resolution skills far above anybody who learnt at a young age that their parents were to lazy and uncreative to come up with any way of modifying behaviour other than hitting them. Seriously, watch all the nanny shows, those parents are not being taught to hit their kids, is anybody calling that anti-family?

[1enzeder]

Well good luck with that. call me in 10 years and let me know how the fantasy lines up with the reality. I'm not sure if it's wise, having no personal experience, to be accusing actual parents of laziness. Apart from being a tad smug, it's tempting fate.

[amanda1bone36]

It's not a fantasy, at the moment, against me, you can bolster your arguement by pointing out that I have no children of my own but I would like to see how well this goes, and how you justify slapping kids around = strong family values to somebody who has had children and managed to think of things, and take the time to create alternative management systems. Instilling fear in children to control behaviour does not help them in later life. In fact statistics show (this was from the national radi

[amanda1bone36]

o just this afternoon) that punishing children with violence in the home = more violent children. A safe society that recognizes everybodies right to safety and respect (even a prostitutes) and encourages commitment, even if you happen to be gay, would seem to me to be the perfect place to raise a "family". If you find these things anti your religion then be frank and don't disguise it as anti family.

[1enzeder]

theoretical. this argument never takes place between two experienced parents who know what they are talking about.

[amanda1bone36]

You could also say that if YOU are going to talk about politics and society then YOU shouldn't generalize. I could spend my time researching the extensive critiques of "fundemental christians" and their misinterpretation of the bible and then quote all the bits and pieces for you but the fact is its been said many times and it would be a waste of my time. Just like this is wasting both of our time, so goodnight and know that your vote will be immediatedly neutralized by mine! :)

[1enzeder]

Amanda, do you think this is about whether there is a right or wrong way to vote? we're screwed either way. We have events in our not to distant future that will make you damn glad you don't have kids. As enlightened as you are, you seem blissfully unaware that concerning yourself with the matrimonial property rights of gays and such, is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The future of our Nation has nothing whatever to do with installing the right government.

[thatcher88]

Abortion only removes an undeveloped potential life that has not developed into what can scientifically be defined as a baby. You choose to term potential life as 'unborn babies' when they are not yet actual independent babies, 'slaughtered' when they cannot survive without their mothers sustenance, and hence, aren't actually independent living beings, and the idea that it would be 'sicking'- there are reasons why women have abortions... do you think they do it because they are selfish?

[1enzeder]

"there are reasons why women have abortions" - yes, apparently 18,000 reasons a year. Can you name anything other than an unborn child that has a beating heart and is considered dead? Are you suggesting that Human beings who aren't "independent" and need a Mothers sustenance should be left to die?

[thatcher88]

What right do you have to determine what someone else does with their own body to which the potential life at that stage, is effectively, another part. Perhaps you should re-evaluate or back up your response with some scientific conclusions on the subject, not your moralistic and scientifically ignorant opinions which are construed by you as equally valid in an argument which requires scientifically valid conclusions.

[1enzeder]

God help us. There are people around that need a scientist to help them recognize a baby.

[thatcher88]

A scientist uses a rational criteria based on observation and fact- you demand the use of morals- which you feel you can impose on others- in situations which require an educated, rational approach, not scientifically unfounded morals which are entirely subjective.

[1enzeder]

If you have lost a child through abortion, I am sorry for your pain and don't judge you.

[thatcher88]

I haven't lost a child.

[1enzeder]

I am glad to hear it. If you had, you will have had the message that your sense of grief is foolish and your emotional suffering ignored. The truth is your loss is just as real as that of a parent who has held the child in their arms.

[hftf1]

every woman should be able to get an abortion for whatever reason they want and feel happy about it afterwards. fuck the people who try to make women feel bad about it

[1enzeder]

No one that murders their baby is going to "feel happy about it afterwards", and they certainly won't need anybody else's help to feel bad about it.

[hftf1]

except they're not murdering a baby

[1enzeder]

Go and have an abortion. I'm not stopping you. Just don't kid yourself that you wont carry it with you for the rest of your life. You don't need to concern yourself what others think. What you will think of yourself will be enough.

[hftf1]

lol advocating womens rights i must be a woman

dont try to make it out to be a terrible thing women should feel bad about and maybe they won't, if you're not being disingenuous when you say you don't care if someone has an abortion

[1enzeder]

You're not a woman? Then what the hell are you doing, commenting how a woman should or shouldn't feel after abortion? It's disingenuous to feign concern when the real motive is self-interest, where abortion removes the inconvenience of having to take care of one's own responsibilities.

[hftf1]

i said how they should be able to feel

"one's own responsibilities. "

i didn't know women could procreate by themselves???

[hftf1]

also i hope you're a woman because if not lol

[eckyboyo]

Sounds like you did something in your past that you regret and now want to FORCE your regrets on everyone else?

[1enzeder]

Thats an assumption, and not a particularly good one. I'm not thrilled about 15,000 babies a year being hacked to pieces in NZ, but I don't see how that is forcing regrets on others.

[eckyboyo]

Another nutty conspiracy theorist who had an abortion early in life and has been blaming everyone but herself since! Bet you support all those fully formed people in Iraq being blown to bits.

[1enzeder]

Firstly its He, not She, therefore unlikely have had an abortion at any age. Second (sorry to point out that every assumption you have made has been wrong so far) But No, US troops should not be in Iraq or anywhere else. the reason they went there is because Saddam was making noises about moving away from trading oil in US dollars, the last reason for the US currency to exist. What conspiracy theory? But if its conspiracies you want, try these. The US military will soon also step up. . .

[eckyboyo]

I was talking about myself so I guess you make wrong assumptions too! Thanks for the sympathy... but I guess all men who assume the mantle for women think they know the female mind better than the little woman.

[1enzeder]

You've lost me. Are you a man or woman? Have you had an abortion? If so, do you feel I have judged you? My view of abortion is this . The baby is destroyed, The Mother is scarred for life, and many couples, like some dear friends of mine, who cannot have children of their own, live year in, year out trying to live with a sense of grief and emptiness. Whats good about it?

[1enzeder]

its presence in Afghanistan, and move into Pakistan. The wall street controlled government will shortly pull the plug on the US dollar and move to a regional north American currency. Not theories, published in Bloomburg, AP, worldnetdaily.

Where have the wheels fallen off? Conspiracy? This is hardly a secret. google NZ national debt and brace yourself for a shock.

[verypleasemeetyou]

@thatcher88 Your argument ignores the issue of when the life of a human being begins. Says it all, really... Incidentally, a newborn baby could be said to be an "undeveloped infant" - does that mean it's a non-human being?

Btw, half of all unborn children are female, yet the vast majority of abortions are of females. Feminism has remotely caught up with reality. It was always a self-absorbed bitch-fest against whatever they hate in life even their own nature as the female life-giver.

[plenty2see]

how many times does this journo need to be told their is no republican movement NZ SHEESHHHH

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

I'll type this slow-ly so you can understand it.

Very rarely are either economics or politics subjects that could ever be described as 'basic'; I would hesitate to believe that one who cannot even communicate effectively in their native language would have any worthwhile opinion on either field.

[BradV8]

ur a fk wit. U think basic economics is hard? lol u clearly have never done much work at school or uni. The fact u dnt understand tells me ur not even worth talking 2. Dumb ass commy. U cant even see what Helen has done over the last 9 years ur so thick it sad and I feel sorry for u.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

Wow, mister! You should take that double PhD in Economics and Basic Spelling and Grammar and really go do some good in the world! I bet if you strain really hard you could solve the world economic crisis and clear your bowels at the same time! You are my freakin' idol!

[BradV8]

First off.. this is a youtube blog - so we use blog or txt like lingo. 2nd.. ur more interested in dissing peoples spelling than the fkn issues. 3rd.. my spelling dosnt effect my earning power! I am in the top .2 earning % of NZ and im only in my 20s! But hey you go feel like a winner in your Toyota buddy. .. Oi!! Quick!!! ul be late for your union meeting! Go drive more business from NZ! You low achiever you.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

Mwhahaha, it's good to know that the economic right is in safe hands as always.

In direct response:

1. Is that a keyboard in front of you or are you phoning this in? You are single-handedly corrupting the English language and for that you deserve more than a light mocking. Seriously, you sound like a fourteen year old.

2.I don't recall an issue. I disagreed with your stance on American economic leadership and you attacked me personally... I'm just rolling with it, comrade.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

3.Earning power validates nothing except earning power.

[BradV8]

Either way ur not worth talking 2. Peace Comrade! I supose ur like us all to have barcodes so u can control us all.. commy with Tall poppie issues

[BradV8]

I bet if you strain really hard you may be able to wake up and notice pure fact and communist like work Labour are putting on NZ. Control.. is the name of the game - high tax - huge amount of bureaucracy, designer control law and dumbing down of NZ (trying 2 make us all gvt dependant) not to mention all of our tallent going to the U.K and Aussie.. i.e the brain drain.. which I quote from Cullen - "good riddance" Great way to look at our Doctors isnt it. Great way for NZ 2 grow..u need help.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

"Communist like" is slight hyperbole don't you think? You may as well call National the Nazi Party. They're not, obviously - Labour are center-left and National center-right.

While I definitely do not agree with all policies provided by the left or center-left, I do agree that in a first-world country with a high expectation of public service and a relatively small tax base that a measurable business tax is a necessity.

[BradV8]

Thanks for that. Calling the National Party the Nazi party is fkn rich from a Left winger - Commy like urslf. Yip.. tell you what.. il go feel really dumb. I can understand you left wingers. I really cant! Its scary people are as thick as u! Ur only points are regarding spelling on a youtube blog or Nazis or Americans.. when the issue is OUR Labour gvt. They are more socialists if u wanna be more technical.

[BradV8]

earning power validates nothing? Why cos all the really smart people are the people who are on 30K?? U gota be a real morron to start a business and become an international trader. ha.. real dumb ass! I supose ur average friends with average hopes are fit for running the show.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

What the hell? Can you even read? You just missed the point by 1.852 kilometers... That's a nautical mile, you gibbon.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

I suggest next time you formulate a reply you READ the text you are replying to.

quote "Communist like" is slight hyperbole don't you think? You may as well call National the Nazi Party. They're not, obviously - Labour are center-left and National center-right." /quote

[BradV8]

your still a retard - anyone who votes Labour is on another planet.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

It's actually "YOU'RE", it's a contraction of "you are".

Well, I wasn't going to vote, but now I'm definitely voting for Labour on the grounds that YOUR VOTE IS CANCELED OUT! :)

[zionic144nz]

So who is BradV8 voting for? Im voting the Maori Party, again

[BradV8]

why would u vote for a racist race based party? lol

[BradV8]

Also isnt she nice making our young Doctors and huge business ship off over seas - why? Cos shes so anti business and it seem anti tallent. The brain drain costs NZ 700people a WEEK! This dosnt bother you? I REALLY feel for you. Do as you want. Just dont come crying to me when u cant afford the house anymore and gta sell - thats on Mr Cullen and Clark head and if u cant even see facts that are in front of you cos ur 2 busy dissing my spelling.. well god help us all.

[zionic144nz]

Cos I owe them that for residing in their country

[BradV8]

so its ok for them to be racist? Also they wer not the first here anyways. Also this is New Zealand a great Nation of many cultures not one culture is better or worse than the next and you cannot justify reverse racism.

[georgewtwat]

rock on Brad, its total reverse racism! Thier own vote in parliment, thier own rugby team, thier own dept in Govt. Now tell me thats not racist -

[BradV8]

The Maori Party is nothing but a reverse racism. I notice you are a man on God. You do realise God made us ALL equal...Dont you? Or do you think Maori are above all others!?!? Also for the record I feel you should know half my family are Maori and my gf of three years is also a Maori and our entire family has the same view as I have just noted. To move forward as a people and a nation we must be equals and live and work together - racial separatism is the op to what we need - thats Hitler stuff.

[zionic144nz]

Not racial seperation. Cultural seperation.

[georgewtwat]

so if we started the NZ European Descendants rugby team that wouldnt be racist?

[zionic144nz]

I dont give a crap about rugby or rugby teams anyway.

[georgewtwat]

neither do i! Its the principle - \do you care about govt depts or education?? Because thats racist too with special traetment for one element of nz society.

[zionic144nz]

Look, whats wrong with cultural (not racial) seperation anyway?

[georgewtwat]

if you think its thier cournty you can fuck off too. its "our" as in european and maori i never asked to be born there. If i had a choice id have chosen somewhere where there was no bullshit over whose counrty it is.

[BradV8]

Its not ther country its our country. We are all here together as one. U sepratist.

[georgewtwat]

its about time my culture (irish) ws recognised in NZ - dont tell me to fuck foo back to ireland, because I dont tell the maoris to fuck off back to hawaki. We want our own votes in an election, our own seatis in parliment. Speacial treeatment for school fees. Sound fair?

[allice444]

Its amazing how Helen clark bangs on about the views of the poeple but often states she's not in favour of referendoms. She's obviuosly on ESP. On Marees;. God did make some mankind more equal than other, I'm glad about the fact that I have a little more equal intelligence than your average Maree. On Separatism, I'm all for it. Lets seperarate the less evolved and give them some special treatment ie: stick em back on Chatham Island, then employ some Thai prison guards to look after them.

[georgewtwat]

Do you want to get married?> hahaha - jokes. Tell you what nice to meet some like minded people. How the fuck do Labour get elected? Im sure 3 million Kiwis think like us. Helen Clark is the wormiest piece of shit ive even laid eyes on. I cant wait to vote them out.

[hftf1]

you do realise how retarded that argument is right? telling maori to fuck off back to hawaiki is like telling the irish to fuck off back to the european mainland or wherever they came from before they went to ireland. also as an irishman i would've thought you'd have a lot more sympathy considering northern ireland, the troubles etc

also, no one actually says "fuck off back to ireland/england/germany/somewh­ere in europe/anywhere" except white supremacists who hate asians and pacific islanders

[georgewtwat]

thats what i said! The maoris say fuck off back to where you are from - so i  dont say it back! Or did you not read whati wrote? I still want all my special treatment though - its about time both races were raeted as one in NZ.

[growupmagazine]

Which Maoris are saying this exactly? I know a lot of Maori, have met plenty more, and not one has ever said "Fuck off back to Europe" or anything even remotely similar.

You've stated above that you live on a different world, one in which "Act is central and National are centre left". I suggest you refrain from making paranoid and fatuous comments about this world - the real one - since you clearly have no experience of it

[georgewtwat]

dont think you do - if you havent seen this you have been living under a rock.

[georgewtwat]

labour are so left they are off the planet! In my world Act is central and National are centre left. Thats Eutopia.

[kalisto333]

What a powerful speaker Helen Clarke is. The interviewer was the only one stutterring. Helen never flinches. She has an answer for everything and they're answers that don't leave you lingering. I really do not think John Keys could have handled it. Or Jim Bolger, Jenny Shipley or Don Brash.

[coaljur]

I agree. Shipley was a lying Prime Minster with Satchi&Satchi, Don Brash teacher of bigamy, B English thinks boxing with his mouth is creative, and John Keys. I'd prefer a hard-core rap DVD any day.

[BradV8]

Correct. Labour and Clark have tryd to tell NZ that its ok to fail. Aim low. PC BS! One of the main reason America is so powerful is because they LOVE to win! They do not accept 2nd and work hard. Helen and her low achieving friends are why we are slipping backward in the ratings on the international stage..OECD for a kicker.. then her petheticly WEAK stance on crime .. just look at the crime stats and reoffending only up 72% since Labour.. yeah! Not 7%! 72%!!! Thats NOT a typo.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

Hmm, I'm not sure that the USA is the right country to be putting on a pedestal considering that they are dragging the world economy in a downward spiral.

But at least they're winners in Iraq, right?

[BradV8]

Typical lefty arnt u.. out of contxt..Yes lets dis America because of one war. Totally disregard ther companys, industry, sports and education levels because of one war. U really are a fk wit. Which explains why ur a left wing commy I supose. Ur eyes are closed its funny ur so thick..yet sad at the same time.

[IIIIIbarcodeIIIII]

Dude. You can't spell. Your name is BradV8. YOU LOSE.

[BradV8]

My spelling jesus! Are u kidding me. U dont understand politics and basic economics are ur having a go at me cos my BLOG spelling isnt tops. Fkin hell no wonder ur a Labour backer... fk do u even have eyes cant u see how dodgy they are ... Vector is another Gem u can think over fk wit.

[passmeadrink]

how she comes across. Contradictory. Steals money of others. Pledge Card! You feel utterly miserable with this person. Does not listen (to NZ) because she does not care (about NZ).

[LGD3]

We learn nothing new from the interview, and aunty Helen handled herself as well as she always does. But, I hope this interview reminds New Zealand journalists just how far they have to raise their standards.