calvinism is just a word...same thing as calling yourself presbyterian, baptist, ANY of those...I was disappointed by the fact that she does not even consider the people that hold that doctrine as brothers and sisters in Christ...sounds like another division caused right there, thought we were trying to prevent those...
I appreciate what you're doing brother. Even if we quit calling ourselves Calvinists, and say we hold the Doctrines of Grace, still - the Arminians will call us Calvinists. if we call ourselves Reformed they will call us Calvinists. We don't have a problem with the term Calvinism, they do. It is one avenue, instead of trying to use scripture, that they use to attack Reformed Christians. We do not berate them with the name Arminius or Pelagius... who were heretics.
Calvinists believe that human beings are putrid, vile, evil, disgusting, wretched, piles of vomit. Humans are this way because of the fall. We as a species are tainted from the moment of conception. We are born evil.
Calvinists believe that human beings cannot and WILL not chose Jesus. We LOVE sin. We wallow in it. We lather it up all over ourselves and drink it down like gluttonous sows.
......That He sent His son, Jesus Christ, to die on a Cross to pay for OUR sins. He saw that we cannot and will not chose Him so HE CAME TO US. He poured his wrath onto his Son because he saw how evil and vile and putrid we were.
He knew we were lost for all eternity if He didn't intervene and come get us. He reached down and pulled me out of my wretchedness. I didn't turn to Him. I didn't accept Him. I did nothing. He came for me. HE loved me FIRST.
I really feel there is a point that non-calvinists pick up and run with that seems to contridict Free Will and that would be my statement that I didn't "accept" God.
I did and I didn't. As a sinner I would have no desire to leave my sin, but as a Child called to God, I accepted and submitted. Submitted to His Grace and Love. I Love God and I not only want to give Him complete Glory for my Salvation, I'm hesitant to give the impression that I had anything to do with it.
There is nothing 'righteous' in me that would go to Him. Nothing in ME and of ME or by ME would want to choose God.
But I believe He reveals Himself to my sinful being, and calls me to know Him. Calls me by name to seek His son and seek His Word. I believe completely that he reaches continuously down to us in our Sin and beckons us to Repent. To submit to His conviction of us and Christ's salvation from deserved condemnation.
LOL! Okay you must really be a Loony Toon because that was funny.
You and Danny Girl should get together and start a false prophet's ministry.
You two like to sit on YouTube and Judge Calvinists like you have you cushy white bottoms on the Right and Left hand of God Almighty. You may point your finger in my direction and cry "FOUL, FOUL" but look at your hand buddy - you have three fingers pointing right back atcha!
And you must be a silly child of the Devil to say such a thing considering that you obviously know nothing about GRACE as taught in Scripture. Furthermore, you do not grasp the full doctrines of GRACE (which are the same as Calvinism) BECAUSE you have not the Spirit in you. Go back to bed...it is well past your hour.
You are half right: If one does not follow Jesus, they are following Satan. Sounds like you are following Satan. You are doing just what your father does; saying what is up is down, what's left is right, what's dark is light.
This is an increible video response you have made and thank you for sharing your good thoughts on the issue!!! Thanks again and for your convictions!!
Yeah, TicToc really rubs me the wrong way. I cannot stand to listen to the woman go on even when she is teaching something accurately. She grinds my nerves because I am not convinced she is a sister in Christ. Not at all. We really need not worry about 'division' in so many cases when the people we are dealing with are not brethren at all. That is what we need to figure out straight away. Are they really a brethren in Christ? Well, if they take any credit for their salvation they simply are NOT.
Lets call ourselves Unconditional Electionists....which I generally have for a few years now....thanks to the misuse of the term 'Calvinism'. Also, 'unconditional election' seems to about the only definition that cannot be twisted to include works unto regeneration :)
Here is the difference in a nut shell....Either Jesus is a pitiful beggar of souls who does not have the power to save all that He wants to save because man's will can over ride His will or He is a MIGHTY SAVIOR Who has chosen who would be His before time began and it is His chosen who He died for.
Well done Brother. Calvinism is simply a "label" for those who believe in the Doctrine of Grace and those of us in the body who hold a high view of God's sovereignty and giving God ALL of the glory for our salvation.
Good job breaking down the nonsense of decisional regeneration..
Women are forbidden to take authority and publicly instruct men in the path of righteousness. There is no argument. I left a video on my channel for people to see where LaneCh and Monica are transgressors and both of them should be ignored. We should take this video down too because by refuting Monica's teaching we are condoning women teachers and showing we do not know scripture.
Exactly, "Calvinism" is just a term of convenience to express a theology that emphasizes a high view of the sovereignty of God. It's one thing to accurately represent a viewpoint and then knock it down, but another thing to fashion a strawmen to bash, that's just ignorant, willfully dishonest, or perhaps a bit of both.
@JoshnJesus He was serious. Calvinism is partly Scriptural and so is Arminianism. Yet both err. Neither value God's Word nor God's Spirit enough and put too much confidence in the flesh.
Following men is a path to error and both polarizations err as both are the doctrines of men.
Yea - if you want to dismantle the doctrine of Predestination just read:
Ephesians 1:4-5
4According as he hath CHOSEN us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will
Can I ask you a question - have you ever read the bible before or do you just go around posting superficial comments?
I do wish Monica would address specifically the problems with Calvnism and perhaps the biggest problem is that some of God's word must be ignored or denied for Calvinism to be true. Jesus died for ALL men not just some (1 Timothy 2:4) and His atonement covers all sin. Calvinists apparently have a problem with that aspect of God's word and will cling to the wisdom of men (TULIP) rather than embrace what God truly says. Lean not on your own understanding brothers but every word of God.
P2) Is she preaching the True Gospel or a False Gospel according to rebellious interpretations, outside of the standards of the Historical Orthodox Christian Faith rediscovered by the early Reformers? Plenty of Cults out there claim the name of Christ. But God had given the Church many great teachers during the Reformation to help us avoid heretical deceptions. The churches in turn gave us historical documents such as the Westminster Catechism which sum up the faithful teachings of the bible.
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
(You dont actually believe that the reformers missed 1Tim, do you? Your not discovering anything new - your just repeating a false intereptation tof the past. Universalism was already rejected as heresy a long time ago - why not learn from it? It is because your beliefs about Christ are outside the standards of the Reformation.
But is she preaching the Sovereign Christ of the Bible? The Christ who came to accomplish his mission of seeking and saving all that the Father gave him: giveing his life and securing salvation for them alone? Or is she preaching a liberal, universalist, socialist Christ who didnt actually secure salvation for anyone and hopes that sinners will somehow come to him by mythical freewill - outside of the effectual work of the Holy Spirit? Basically a humanistic centered freewill gospel plan.
Listen to her videos. Christ paid the price for the sins of all men but that hardly means all men are saved. Many do choose the world over the Lord, the flesh over the spirit and if you scoff at men having free will I suggest you keep reading your Bible for God makes it clear we do with James 5:19-20 as an example. What Monica preaches may sound odd to many Christians because they really don't know the word of God and what He truly teaches in the Bible.
You said: Many do choose the world over the Lord, the flesh over the spirit
Answer) Theres a good reason for that. The Reformers taught TOTAL DEPRAVITY which is total inability. If man had a freewill outside of the effectual calling of the Holy Spirit - they would have been able to demonstrate a perfect obedience to the Law. Your rejecting Original SIn! Scripures say - We are DEAD before regeneration:
Eph2:1
And you hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and sins
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Before regeneration - man has no natural ability in his natural state because his "will" is in bondage to sin.
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him.."
It uses figurative language to paint the importance of helping others avoid erroneous beliefs. GRACE ALONE fulfills this verse. If you are ELECT-God will make sure your not permamanently deceived - proving the fulfillment of the verse:
You Said: Calvinism and TULIP are prime examples of what happens when men lean on their own understanding and wisdom
Answer) Please demonstrate this and I will show you verse for verse why your interpretations are outside of the Historical orthodox Christian faith of the Reformation.
At the end of the day - is she preaching the True Gospel according to the Standards of the Scriptures and historical church documents such as the Westminster Catechism - or is she just another rebellious Christian who thinks that she can interpret the bible any which way her little sinful heart desires just as Cults do! To us Reformed Christians - the answer is obvious. She needs to stop being a rebel and misusing the scriptures to justify her rebellion. Cafeteria style Christianity is sin.
Funny, Catholics use the same argument. I'll go with what God actually says in the Bible over what some men say God says. Calvinism and TULIP are prime examples of what happens when men lean on their own understanding and wisdom. Out of what should be the true gospel of Christ comes a vain philosophy distorting his good news making some think their salvation assured no mattter what they do and causing others to doubt they can be saved. It is a doctrine of Satan.
Actually - they do not. They believe that the Pope is a modern Day Apostolic successor. No Reformer ever held that position or considered themseves such a one. This is no good excuse to blatantly ignore God's gift of teachers to the church and the historical church documentation since the Reformation. Your faith is based on unsound ground - sorry to say. You are resting on your own private interpretations rather than the Church.
You Said: "What Monica preaches may sound odd to many Christians because they really don't know the word of God and what He truly teaches in the Bible. "
David Koresh would say the same. Was he right?
A gospel preached in the name of Christ outside the teachings of Grace is in rebellion, plan and simple. If you want to know what the bible faithfully teaches - you need to start reading the Westminster Catechism and stop rejecting the Reformation teachers. They knew better than Monica!
No Christian TULIP. The only thing I need do is study the word of God as He has revealed it in the Bible. Unless the Westminster Catechism is one of the books of the Bible than all I'm doing is studying some man's interpretation of what God says. The Bible interprets itself as we build precept upon precept and exposes false teachers great (Koresh) and small and flawed interpretations as well.
You Said: "The only thing I need do is study the word of God as He has revealed it in the Bible"
Scripture is of no private interpretation. God gave us teachers (Not modern Day Apostolic Popes) to help us know the truth. To reject teachers and lean on your own interpretations is wrong. Again-you are outside of the historical Orthodox Christian faith of the Reformation and subscribe to Roman Catholic beliefs of Freewill universalism. Your misinterpretating the bible.
Meaning I shouldn't rely on what God tells us in the Bible but I have to have other people tell me what God says. God does give us teachers but so does Satan. So, which teachers should I listen to? Edwards or Koresh, Washer or Osteen, Piper or Hinn? How can I know who preaches a true gospel and who teaches a false one? Obviously by comparing what a teacher says to what the Bible says. If you wish to follow the doctrines of men feel free ... just know where that will lead you.
How can I know who preaches a true gospel and who teaches a false one?
You will know them by their fruits - who casts sinners down to the lowest levels of Depravity and exalts God to the highest levels of supreme sovereignty?
What, says Satan, do you hold to these denominational creeds? Sensible men are getting more liberal, they are giving away what does not belong to them—Gods truth; they are removing the old landmarks. Acts of uniformity are to be repealed, articles and creeds are to be laid aside as useless lumber, not necessary for this very enlightened age; fall in with this, and be an Anythingarian - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
"Calling all Calvinists: A Call to Repentence" is just the First Part of a 4-part series. Many of the things you wished they would have covered are covered in the other videos in the series.
(Part 4 has not been uploaded to YouTube, yet, but Parts 2 and 3 have been)
Christ is not divided, men have mutilated the body of Christ. It's time to go back to the roots, to the Early Church. Even though Monica is a littel harsh in that video, I understand her view. Love is the call. Not division.
Dude, I wanted to put a scarf on my head and do a video asking Lutherans to repent for following Martin Luther. Or a video asking all Wesleyians to stop following John Wesley. I jest of course.
I was actually debating a Gnostic on her site who actually denies the Son's name is Jesus. Maybe this Monica person should make a "repentance: video for her viewers rather than Calvinists.
I'm glad to be able to call myself Reformed. I've had to explain "I'm not following a man!" more than a few times.
Unfortunately for Calvinists looking for a new title, "Reformed" and Calvinism aren't quite synonymous; Reformed has a few more distinctives, namely what's called the Regulative Principle of Worship and Covenant Theology.
It's my best experience that it's easy to simply say "I believe in the doctrines of grace" and, as you do, simply go to the scriptures. :)
First, let me say that I hope we study no literature more than scripture itself, for that is the only scripture inspired by God.
But goodness. I can't help but think how many debates needlessly go on today because people lack any understanding of Church history. The arguments made against the doctrines of grace were literally addressed hundreds of years ago at the Synod-- and before that in the Reformation -- and before that by Augustine -- and before that by the gospel!
I could be wrong but I think she is saying we should just be Christians, loss the denomination thing. A lot of people put way too much focus on the denomination. First and fore most I am a Christian. What church I belong to is secondary.
Not picking sides but I think that is what she is saying.
I understand where you are coming from as I am Mennonite which is also a theology but having been there it can become more about the theology than Christianity. And there is tons of fighting among as to who is right and who isn't.
Some of what she is saying is fair.
Call it what you will but if you go to a church that other Calvinists go to I would say it is a denomination too.
I think Josh's video addresses your point quite well, though. True theology is *central* to Christianity, because without it, there is no gospel. God authored ALL of scripture -- if we become more focused on our "unity" as "Christians" than knowing and believing what the Word says, what is left of Christianity? It's like saying, "you're more about breathing than being alive!"
If we seem too passionate about our theology, it is because we see in it the gospel and nothing less.
May Yah most high bring all to truth of his chosen, ELECT, servant Jesus
(Isa 42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
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I'm not an Arminian nor a Calvinist, I'm in the middle (a lot closer to the C-side). I'm what you'd call a "moderate Calvinist". There are many basic truths to Calvinism, but I believe many go too far with it.
Truthfully, if anyone's ever gonna put up an argument against ANY theological view, they best bring scripture into it or spare us the racket and keep their mouth shut. Monica's just doesn't know the difference between a Calvinist & a hyper-Calvinist. She needs to give it a rest.
I just wanted to say that Monica is doing a 4 part series on this topic...this first video was in no way an attempt to refute Calvinistic DOCTRINE at all....but that will come in her later vids :o)
I personally am neither A or C but I believe the Bible teaches elements of both.
I love the passion many Calvinists have for the Glory of God and not sugar-coating the Gospel but, there is also a tendancy among Calvinists to be very argumentative and elitist, but not all of them xxx
I don't think its "elitist" to want to stand up for the glory of God at all. If the Gospel is narrowly defined and one point can take us away from it like it did the Galatians, then we should ALL take up arms when the Gospel is changed or threatened.
Amen bro, of course we should stand up for the Truth and not tolerate things that are anti God's Word but, it must ALL be done in love and in humility.
I personally cannot comment on either Calvinistic nor Arminian teachings because I not studied any of it....
I love the teaching of Paul Washer, and he appears to be Calvinist. I also love the teachings of Monica. I consider both of them to be brother and sister in Christ.
BUT, the calvinists I have spoken to have been angry and elitist :o(
I was so flabbergasted by her arguments. I could not believe she took 30 minutes of her life only to ignorantly portray and slander nearly every calvinist. I forgive her though, still I'd honestly like to see an apology, or at least the video removed.
Same here, but I'm not holding my breath one bit. BTW, she's posted a response to her original video. However, this time, if you post a comment, it says "Comment Pending Approval."
John 6 destroys Arminianism....period. It's a chapter Arminians pretend doesn't exist. It simply confirms Ephesians 2:8-9, once again illustrating harmony and agreement between the Biblical writers regarding how God regenerates people.
It wasn't until I translated it while studying Greek in seminary that the lights finally came on. Arminians form views of God and impose them on Scripture instead of allowing Scripture to inform their understanding.
Many non Calvinists get angry and load their guns with presuppositions and false accusations. They have no true ammunition nor do they have any true backing of scripture to hold their ground. Good vid bro.
Why is it the "Calvinist view" and not the Jesus Christ view? You say its because you need a name but is Jesus not a good enough name? Can you not be identified by Christ alone? These are the points I believe she was making.
It wouold benefit no one. Indeed calvinism is orthodox, so yes, these truths originated with our Lord. But if I say Im a Christian, and you say your a Christian, I believe the biblical view a grace and you believe the unbiblical view of grace, are we not still in disagreement?
Sharing a common name like Christian(which we all are) will not solve this disagreement. So her agrument isn't a good one to begin with.
Thank you Lane. It really is sad. Arminians absolutely hate the omnipotence of God.
And thank you brother for your many videos! It's been a little over a year since the Lord has saved me. And it started with " A Shocking Youth Message by Paul Washer". I believe that may have been your video. God has certainly used you. Stay humble brother, I love you, thank you. God Bless!
This was a great response. I found it very sad that Monica Dennington attacked Christ's body in this way. I think on balance it is hard for a woman to stand up and be a teacher, as it is always easier for the devil to attack via women, as he did with Eve. They always seem to have an open back door to the wicked one's strategies, and her attack on the Church today was straight from the wicked one's strategy book.
Yes, VERY telling. Her ignorance seems willful. She'd rather believe calvinists are wrong "because they follow John Calvin" than believe the set doctrines of grace.
I've posted a bulletin on my channel warning all of my friends to stay away from TicTocMinistries. I've even gone further to say that Monica is a false teacher and does not know how to properly apply Scripture.
I know of a person who sums up the salvation doctrine pretty well. He says:
Our Christ's last 7 words were not " I hope this works" No..He came with a solid purpose, and his blood will not be wasted on someone who decides to give it a try. People who give it a try and fail where never saved in the first place. One can't be born again, and unborn themselves. Someone can't take the work of the Holy Spirit and un- do his power. We are not that strong in of ourselves.
Do Calvinists/Reformed believe non-Calvinist Christians are saved? If the elect are predestined to be saved, are they also predestined to be Calvinist?
side I can say that, that view is simply not true. Alot of Calvinist listen to what other Calvinist teach about Armenians or how they are, or what they believe, my suggestion is look it up yourself (Not aimed at you but in general) Cause all of them don't believe that way my friend.
GOD, and sincerely repent and beleive in The Gospel, not just simply say a little sinners prayer, I beleived The Gospel that way, when I heald to an Arminian View point and I do so By His Grace even now. So for the Calvanist to just say that Arminians view of The Gospel is GOD has a wonderful plan for your life, just say this prayer is absurd brother. I hear everyone whose reformed say the same exact thing about the Arminians view of The Gospel, and for me being someone that came from the other
And that's what we look foward to in the midst of our suffering, that's why Paul said theese light afflictions don't compare to The Glory that awaits us. Asaph said Christ is our portion forever, HE is ALL SATISFYING in the midst of Suffering. And I absolutely agree saying a sinners prayer WILL NOT save you, not just that at all. Christ said Repent and Beleive in The Gospel...if a sinner is really broken over there sin, and wants to be saved I would suggest hitting your face and Crying out to
Amen to all that you said. I used to be like that also. Never presented the gospel the way most do today.
I see where your going, that not all arminians present a false gospel, I believe that, but Im not talking about those arminians, Im talking about the blatantly and willingly ignorant brothers and sister that refuse to believe scripture for the sake of how they feel about it. The free-willers. Only God saves, man can do nothing. God gets the glory, man will get what God gives him.
Even when I going hard against calvanism I didn't beleive nor present The Gospel in the way the reformed say the so called Arminiest does. GOD has a great plant for your life? I beleive Jesus said that beleivers would suffer for His Name Sake, in Peter it says everyone living Godly in Christ Jesus WILL suffer persecution..The Christian life is a life of dying to yourself toiling, striving and SUFFERING for Christ..not a walk in The Park..but what's awesome is GOD grants us eternal life
Jesus loves u and has a wonderful plan for your life, just repeat this sinners prayer...That is absolutely so far from the Truth! Even when I was hardcore against reformed theology, I didn't beleive nor present The Gospel that, way and alot of Calvanist are conditioned into thinking because they listen to other calvanist in a video or read a book written by someone who is reformed telling them what the Arminians beleive or how they view The Gospel
Well, as a former Southern Baptist (the largest evangelical denomination in the US), I can say that is exactly what we did. You can even look at the effect of "America's Pastor" Rick Warren with his gospel of "God smiles when you be you." What foolishness.
All I can say as a person who used to be strogly against and fight against reformed theology, to a person that is now leaning more towards it. Is that I absolutely disgree with the way Calvanist petrey arminians, I think alot of Calviinist try to make Arminians look stupid rather then showing them there vies in Love, I see that alot of people who are reformed all beleive the same thing about how Arminiest Beleive in and share The Gospel. by saying the Arminiest view of the Gospel is
I used to be against it also. Until I read Romans 9.
It's not fun being told your wrong, continually. There may be a few rare calvinists who laugh at and look down on the arminian, and it is wrong. But regarding salvation they are wrong. It's not that we try to belittle them, it's just they refuse to adhere to correct doctrine, thus produce a gospel that saves practically noone but instead makes them false converts. This is what the calvinist is against, not the arminian.
Let's be fair; that is definitely a double-edged sword. I don't know any Calvinists who haven't been mocked as God's robots, belittled as if unaware of "free will," and labeled anti-evangelistic for not trusting in the sinner's prayer and altar calls. It is human pride, not one's view of soteriology, that creates division in the body.
Wanna know why she's not dismantling Calvinism? It's because she's not anti-Calvinist. For all we know, she might even have the same theological views as Calvin. The point of this vid is not to attack Calvinism, but to NOT CAUSE DIVISION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. And it's also about not making an idol out of the great theologians. Look at 1 Corinthians. Was not the words of Paul considered Scripture? Was no the words of Peter considered scripture? Yet it say's to not call yourself a follower of
Neither of them but to call yourself a follower of Christ! By calling yourself a Calvinist your making yourself out to be separate from all other members of the Body of Christ who do not identify themselves as Calvinist.
I didn't say it was a separate body. It's still apart of the body, but its making itself seem separate from the rest of the body by making people who don't identify themselves as Calvinist seem like they're not an important part of the body.
If your one of the rare Calvinist who don't do this, then congrats, her vid doesn't apply to you. But it still applies to a lot of other Calvinist out there.
I believe some arminians are genuine born again believers also. And I wasn't saying you particularly, I meant arminians in general (usually) preach a false gospel presentation.
The only difference between calvinists and arminians or any creature in between, is correct exegesis of scripture. We don't have to call ourselves calvinists, we can say we believe in eternal security, limited atonement, etc and still be labeled a calvinist.
It's just a name for what we believe, that's it. You see?
This sounds good on the surface, but people identify with titles. If it were not for titles, how many false churches would we have to bounce through before finding a true congregation of believers? Words have meaning and it is only fair for someone who believes the doctrines of Grace to refer to themselves as Calvinists.
Are you Calvinist??? That's a denominational Christian and no denomination is the true church. The only true church is the body of Christ who are those born again Christians that have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Denominational Christianity is not a ticket to heaven but a private relationship with Jesus.
"Are you Calvinist??? That's a denominational Christian and no denomination is the true church." PrekloOkeana
WRONG! The only church I am aware of that uses Calvinist in its denominational title is the Calvinistic Methodist church of Wales.
I'd ask you if you were an Arminian but I probably wouldn't get a straight answer or a real one. Most Arminians live in a state of denial. There is only one true church, the Holy Catholic Church which is NOT a denomination. Now go misunderstand that too!
Calvinist is not a denomination, but as Josh said in his video, is a soteriological position. As for your comment regarding denominationalism, is it now therefore a sin to attend any church except a non-denominational one? Let us not be ridiculous.
Calling Monica Dennington back to the state hospital. By Dr. Kookoo
Smokeywsr 4 months ago
i think jesus wouldve said you monica haters need to look at yourselves.just sayin
robertmck12 8 months ago
to be so young and know it all wow
robertmck12 8 months ago
well said. I am no calvinist, but I am sickened by the heavy handed legalistic arogance that informes monica dennington's attitude.
If I saw any merit in making videos i could and would dismantle TULIP on biblical grounds.
but what is the point
Strefanasha 10 months ago
You follow John Calvin's perspective of the scriptures.
Natester27 1 year ago
calvinism is just a word...same thing as calling yourself presbyterian, baptist, ANY of those...I was disappointed by the fact that she does not even consider the people that hold that doctrine as brothers and sisters in Christ...sounds like another division caused right there, thought we were trying to prevent those...
Liljohn2918 1 year ago
Thank you. I have a feeling she has no idea what Calvinism is.
52blades 1 year ago
I appreciate what you're doing brother. Even if we quit calling ourselves Calvinists, and say we hold the Doctrines of Grace, still - the Arminians will call us Calvinists. if we call ourselves Reformed they will call us Calvinists. We don't have a problem with the term Calvinism, they do. It is one avenue, instead of trying to use scripture, that they use to attack Reformed Christians. We do not berate them with the name Arminius or Pelagius... who were heretics.
bereansearch 1 year ago
she doesnt use the word trilogy actaully...
she doesnt believe in it. she thinks the holy spirit is a woman.
she says people who say trinity are wrong bc its not in the bible.. but then
goes on to coin her own phrase "holy mother" wow
gdoggydog05 1 year ago
I prefer Reformer.
or
maybe Spurgeonist
how about ----
Sovereignist ( I kinda like that one) I am a sovereignist--lol
TheGloriaaDeus 1 year ago
Nice video. I'm encouraged to see so many young people who truly love the Lord.
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
Calvinists follow Satan. If you do't follow Jesus you follow Satan.
Period.
You follow jesus or you follow Satan. No other option.
wellsbranchdude 2 years ago
@wellsbranchdude
Dude you are a. Loony. Toon.
Calvinists believe that human beings are putrid, vile, evil, disgusting, wretched, piles of vomit. Humans are this way because of the fall. We as a species are tainted from the moment of conception. We are born evil.
Calvinists believe that human beings cannot and WILL not chose Jesus. We LOVE sin. We wallow in it. We lather it up all over ourselves and drink it down like gluttonous sows.
Calvinists believe God had such mercy on us....
earthygreen 2 years ago 2
@wellsbranchdude
......That He sent His son, Jesus Christ, to die on a Cross to pay for OUR sins. He saw that we cannot and will not chose Him so HE CAME TO US. He poured his wrath onto his Son because he saw how evil and vile and putrid we were.
He knew we were lost for all eternity if He didn't intervene and come get us. He reached down and pulled me out of my wretchedness. I didn't turn to Him. I didn't accept Him. I did nothing. He came for me. HE loved me FIRST.
earthygreen 2 years ago
@earthygreen
I really feel there is a point that non-calvinists pick up and run with that seems to contridict Free Will and that would be my statement that I didn't "accept" God.
I did and I didn't. As a sinner I would have no desire to leave my sin, but as a Child called to God, I accepted and submitted. Submitted to His Grace and Love. I Love God and I not only want to give Him complete Glory for my Salvation, I'm hesitant to give the impression that I had anything to do with it.
earthygreen 2 years ago
@wellsbranchdude
There is nothing 'righteous' in me that would go to Him. Nothing in ME and of ME or by ME would want to choose God.
But I believe He reveals Himself to my sinful being, and calls me to know Him. Calls me by name to seek His son and seek His Word. I believe completely that he reaches continuously down to us in our Sin and beckons us to Repent. To submit to His conviction of us and Christ's salvation from deserved condemnation.
earthygreen 2 years ago
All you say is BLAH BLAH I follow Satan.
PLease repent or you are going to hell...
There is no other option!
wellsbranchdude 2 years ago
LOL! Okay you must really be a Loony Toon because that was funny.
You and Danny Girl should get together and start a false prophet's ministry.
You two like to sit on YouTube and Judge Calvinists like you have you cushy white bottoms on the Right and Left hand of God Almighty. You may point your finger in my direction and cry "FOUL, FOUL" but look at your hand buddy - you have three fingers pointing right back atcha!
earthygreen 2 years ago
And you must be a silly child of the Devil to say such a thing considering that you obviously know nothing about GRACE as taught in Scripture. Furthermore, you do not grasp the full doctrines of GRACE (which are the same as Calvinism) BECAUSE you have not the Spirit in you. Go back to bed...it is well past your hour.
ashirly 2 years ago
You are half right: If one does not follow Jesus, they are following Satan. Sounds like you are following Satan. You are doing just what your father does; saying what is up is down, what's left is right, what's dark is light.
ashirly 2 years ago
@wellsbranchdude says you
robertmck12 8 months ago
good job dude...Monica needs to repent
810suited 2 years ago
Monica Dennington now denies the Trinity! She is a wolf in sheep's clothing!
zionistchristian 2 years ago
This is an increible video response you have made and thank you for sharing your good thoughts on the issue!!! Thanks again and for your convictions!!
ashirly 2 years ago
Yeah, TicToc really rubs me the wrong way. I cannot stand to listen to the woman go on even when she is teaching something accurately. She grinds my nerves because I am not convinced she is a sister in Christ. Not at all. We really need not worry about 'division' in so many cases when the people we are dealing with are not brethren at all. That is what we need to figure out straight away. Are they really a brethren in Christ? Well, if they take any credit for their salvation they simply are NOT.
ashirly 2 years ago
Lets call ourselves Unconditional Electionists....which I generally have for a few years now....thanks to the misuse of the term 'Calvinism'. Also, 'unconditional election' seems to about the only definition that cannot be twisted to include works unto regeneration :)
ashirly 2 years ago
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earthygreen 2 years ago
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@ashirly
Would it be too fruity to call ourselves TULIP's?
earthygreen 2 years ago
Here is the difference in a nut shell....Either Jesus is a pitiful beggar of souls who does not have the power to save all that He wants to save because man's will can over ride His will or He is a MIGHTY SAVIOR Who has chosen who would be His before time began and it is His chosen who He died for.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Amen, brother
twalk4ever 2 years ago
Well done Brother. Calvinism is simply a "label" for those who believe in the Doctrine of Grace and those of us in the body who hold a high view of God's sovereignty and giving God ALL of the glory for our salvation.
Good job breaking down the nonsense of decisional regeneration..
RMCDisciple 2 years ago
Great response
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago
Great comments about that video.
daveme7 2 years ago
Women are forbidden to take authority and publicly instruct men in the path of righteousness. There is no argument. I left a video on my channel for people to see where LaneCh and Monica are transgressors and both of them should be ignored. We should take this video down too because by refuting Monica's teaching we are condoning women teachers and showing we do not know scripture.
Knowyourscripture 2 years ago
Exactly, "Calvinism" is just a term of convenience to express a theology that emphasizes a high view of the sovereignty of God. It's one thing to accurately represent a viewpoint and then knock it down, but another thing to fashion a strawmen to bash, that's just ignorant, willfully dishonest, or perhaps a bit of both.
EncompassedRunner 2 years ago
God bless ya bro!
I love your heart for Gods word
Soli Deo Gloria
blindswordsman21 2 years ago
Thank you brother God Bles you
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
If you want to find something that dismantles the Calvinist view, you can just read the Bible.
Concatenate 2 years ago
Are you serious or just being funny?
I hope your not serious.
Please don't mock what you really dont understand. I said in the video, calvinism is scriptural.
That being said, we'd all like to see YOU dismantle calvinism, but much rather see you come to the knowledge of the truth.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
@JoshnJesus He was serious. Calvinism is partly Scriptural and so is Arminianism. Yet both err. Neither value God's Word nor God's Spirit enough and put too much confidence in the flesh.
Following men is a path to error and both polarizations err as both are the doctrines of men.
BludBaut 1 month ago
Concatenate,
Yea - if you want to dismantle the doctrine of Predestination just read:
Ephesians 1:4-5
4According as he hath CHOSEN us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having PREDESTINATED us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will
Can I ask you a question - have you ever read the bible before or do you just go around posting superficial comments?
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
YEAHHHH Josh!!! :)
AgApE010 2 years ago
I do wish Monica would address specifically the problems with Calvnism and perhaps the biggest problem is that some of God's word must be ignored or denied for Calvinism to be true. Jesus died for ALL men not just some (1 Timothy 2:4) and His atonement covers all sin. Calvinists apparently have a problem with that aspect of God's word and will cling to the wisdom of men (TULIP) rather than embrace what God truly says. Lean not on your own understanding brothers but every word of God.
BondiHarry 2 years ago
P2) Is she preaching the True Gospel or a False Gospel according to rebellious interpretations, outside of the standards of the Historical Orthodox Christian Faith rediscovered by the early Reformers? Plenty of Cults out there claim the name of Christ. But God had given the Church many great teachers during the Reformation to help us avoid heretical deceptions. The churches in turn gave us historical documents such as the Westminster Catechism which sum up the faithful teachings of the bible.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
P4
1Tim2:4 -
ALL MEN = ALL that the Father gave to Jesus:
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
(You dont actually believe that the reformers missed 1Tim, do you? Your not discovering anything new - your just repeating a false intereptation tof the past. Universalism was already rejected as heresy a long time ago - why not learn from it? It is because your beliefs about Christ are outside the standards of the Reformation.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
"We dont follow Calvin, we follow scripture". Well said brother.
dkshotwell 2 years ago
Monica is persecuting Christ!
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
No, Monica is preaching Christ. Give me your thoughts on James 5:19-20 Christian TULIP.
BondiHarry 2 years ago
But is she preaching the Sovereign Christ of the Bible? The Christ who came to accomplish his mission of seeking and saving all that the Father gave him: giveing his life and securing salvation for them alone? Or is she preaching a liberal, universalist, socialist Christ who didnt actually secure salvation for anyone and hopes that sinners will somehow come to him by mythical freewill - outside of the effectual work of the Holy Spirit? Basically a humanistic centered freewill gospel plan.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Listen to her videos. Christ paid the price for the sins of all men but that hardly means all men are saved. Many do choose the world over the Lord, the flesh over the spirit and if you scoff at men having free will I suggest you keep reading your Bible for God makes it clear we do with James 5:19-20 as an example. What Monica preaches may sound odd to many Christians because they really don't know the word of God and what He truly teaches in the Bible.
BondiHarry 2 years ago
You said: Many do choose the world over the Lord, the flesh over the spirit
Answer) Theres a good reason for that. The Reformers taught TOTAL DEPRAVITY which is total inability. If man had a freewill outside of the effectual calling of the Holy Spirit - they would have been able to demonstrate a perfect obedience to the Law. Your rejecting Original SIn! Scripures say - We are DEAD before regeneration:
Eph2:1
And you hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and sins
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
You Said: "I suggest you keep reading your Bible for God makes it clear we do with James 5:19-20 as an example."
I suggest you learn what it means to be an ORIGINAL SINNER according to 1Cor:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Before regeneration - man has no natural ability in his natural state because his "will" is in bondage to sin.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
"Give me your thoughts on Jam5:19-20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him.."
It uses figurative language to paint the importance of helping others avoid erroneous beliefs. GRACE ALONE fulfills this verse. If you are ELECT-God will make sure your not permamanently deceived - proving the fulfillment of the verse:
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets...insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the VERY ELECT
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
You Said: Calvinism and TULIP are prime examples of what happens when men lean on their own understanding and wisdom
Answer) Please demonstrate this and I will show you verse for verse why your interpretations are outside of the Historical orthodox Christian faith of the Reformation.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
P3
At the end of the day - is she preaching the True Gospel according to the Standards of the Scriptures and historical church documents such as the Westminster Catechism - or is she just another rebellious Christian who thinks that she can interpret the bible any which way her little sinful heart desires just as Cults do! To us Reformed Christians - the answer is obvious. She needs to stop being a rebel and misusing the scriptures to justify her rebellion. Cafeteria style Christianity is sin.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Funny, Catholics use the same argument. I'll go with what God actually says in the Bible over what some men say God says. Calvinism and TULIP are prime examples of what happens when men lean on their own understanding and wisdom. Out of what should be the true gospel of Christ comes a vain philosophy distorting his good news making some think their salvation assured no mattter what they do and causing others to doubt they can be saved. It is a doctrine of Satan.
BondiHarry 2 years ago
You Said: Funny, Catholics use the same argument
Actually - they do not. They believe that the Pope is a modern Day Apostolic successor. No Reformer ever held that position or considered themseves such a one. This is no good excuse to blatantly ignore God's gift of teachers to the church and the historical church documentation since the Reformation. Your faith is based on unsound ground - sorry to say. You are resting on your own private interpretations rather than the Church.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
You Said: "What Monica preaches may sound odd to many Christians because they really don't know the word of God and what He truly teaches in the Bible. "
David Koresh would say the same. Was he right?
A gospel preached in the name of Christ outside the teachings of Grace is in rebellion, plan and simple. If you want to know what the bible faithfully teaches - you need to start reading the Westminster Catechism and stop rejecting the Reformation teachers. They knew better than Monica!
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
No Christian TULIP. The only thing I need do is study the word of God as He has revealed it in the Bible. Unless the Westminster Catechism is one of the books of the Bible than all I'm doing is studying some man's interpretation of what God says. The Bible interprets itself as we build precept upon precept and exposes false teachers great (Koresh) and small and flawed interpretations as well.
BondiHarry 2 years ago
You Said: "The only thing I need do is study the word of God as He has revealed it in the Bible"
Scripture is of no private interpretation. God gave us teachers (Not modern Day Apostolic Popes) to help us know the truth. To reject teachers and lean on your own interpretations is wrong. Again-you are outside of the historical Orthodox Christian faith of the Reformation and subscribe to Roman Catholic beliefs of Freewill universalism. Your misinterpretating the bible.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Meaning I shouldn't rely on what God tells us in the Bible but I have to have other people tell me what God says. God does give us teachers but so does Satan. So, which teachers should I listen to? Edwards or Koresh, Washer or Osteen, Piper or Hinn? How can I know who preaches a true gospel and who teaches a false one? Obviously by comparing what a teacher says to what the Bible says. If you wish to follow the doctrines of men feel free ... just know where that will lead you.
BondiHarry 2 years ago
How can I know who preaches a true gospel and who teaches a false one?
You will know them by their fruits - who casts sinners down to the lowest levels of Depravity and exalts God to the highest levels of supreme sovereignty?
Answer) Edwards, Washer and Piper.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
What, says Satan, do you hold to these denominational creeds? Sensible men are getting more liberal, they are giving away what does not belong to them—Gods truth; they are removing the old landmarks. Acts of uniformity are to be repealed, articles and creeds are to be laid aside as useless lumber, not necessary for this very enlightened age; fall in with this, and be an Anythingarian - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
Thank God for your videos, Josh!
I have been getting the hate from Christians?
Kind of makes one wonder, you know?
...And what would Monica make of Ephesians 1:4?
There are too many scriptures to cite here, but anyway I have no need to preach to the choir.
God bless you!
silmalila 2 years ago 2
Calvinists are in essense Biblicists.
We believe what the Word of God teaches.
Calvin nailed it, and that is where the term came from.
Repent? From believing the Word of God?
NEVER.
silmalila 2 years ago
"Calling all Calvinists: A Call to Repentence" is just the First Part of a 4-part series. Many of the things you wished they would have covered are covered in the other videos in the series.
(Part 4 has not been uploaded to YouTube, yet, but Parts 2 and 3 have been)
cadborasaurus 2 years ago
Excellent video bro!!!!!!
21crosscheck21 2 years ago 2
Great video, Tic Toc just broke the clock!
OmegaIsNear 2 years ago
this is a sad day in deed your tone in voice brings out your true fruits of the spirit.
Truthorfable 2 years ago
what exactly do you mean?
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
I thought I was the only one who caught and observed that. I chose to keep the thoughts to myself, but thanks for sharing the obvious.
lumbeeelady 2 years ago
Perhaps you should see my video response to this video.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Christ is not divided, men have mutilated the body of Christ. It's time to go back to the roots, to the Early Church. Even though Monica is a littel harsh in that video, I understand her view. Love is the call. Not division.
Call our selves FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST
coolestmcse 2 years ago 2
We are followers of Christ. No one is divided except be it on theology or non-essential issues.
It's just those who don't agree with the doctrines of grace who want division.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
I heard you say later in the video, that christ died for the elect only????? and that only his sheep hear his voice.
Christ said that the son's of God were like unto a treasure he found...and hid in a field, and went and purchased the ENTIRE field.
Christ died for EVERYONE and ALL sin. We have a CHOICE after having the knowledge of this to heed the shepherds call.
We have a duty to be FISHERS of men, and it is the greatest honor to stand before the king with many more souls behind you!!!
lumbeeelady 2 years ago
The main thing I took away from her video.
Was that promoting ANY kind of "domination" or "theology" even if it is scriptural brings division among his flock.
Same thing with argueing or trying to analyze away the scripture with others.
this separates and creates "niches" and segments in God's believers when we are ALL ONE through way of the cross
going back to the scripture about not teaching with HUMAN wisdom or human WORDS but with God's word! least the cross be lost of its power.
lumbeeelady 2 years ago
Dude, I wanted to put a scarf on my head and do a video asking Lutherans to repent for following Martin Luther. Or a video asking all Wesleyians to stop following John Wesley. I jest of course.
FATMIME 2 years ago
LOL!
OmegaIsNear 2 years ago
I was actually debating a Gnostic on her site who actually denies the Son's name is Jesus. Maybe this Monica person should make a "repentance: video for her viewers rather than Calvinists.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Good word :)
TruthinTension 2 years ago
great video bro
I don't call the doctrines of grace Calvinism I call it the bible truth!
Anyone who can not see that salvation is of God alone! Is blind to the scriptures
reformedwill 2 years ago
Anyway good video.
I'm glad to be able to call myself Reformed. I've had to explain "I'm not following a man!" more than a few times.
Unfortunately for Calvinists looking for a new title, "Reformed" and Calvinism aren't quite synonymous; Reformed has a few more distinctives, namely what's called the Regulative Principle of Worship and Covenant Theology.
It's my best experience that it's easy to simply say "I believe in the doctrines of grace" and, as you do, simply go to the scriptures. :)
Chrishankhah 2 years ago
First, let me say that I hope we study no literature more than scripture itself, for that is the only scripture inspired by God.
But goodness. I can't help but think how many debates needlessly go on today because people lack any understanding of Church history. The arguments made against the doctrines of grace were literally addressed hundreds of years ago at the Synod-- and before that in the Reformation -- and before that by Augustine -- and before that by the gospel!
Chrishankhah 2 years ago
I could be wrong but I think she is saying we should just be Christians, loss the denomination thing. A lot of people put way too much focus on the denomination. First and fore most I am a Christian. What church I belong to is secondary.
Not picking sides but I think that is what she is saying.
louie007007 2 years ago 3
She makes the common mistake of thinking calvinism is a denomination.
It's THEOLOGY. Has nothing to do with a denomination. Like the term trinity is a theological view, calvinism is a theological view.
You see?
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
I understand where you are coming from as I am Mennonite which is also a theology but having been there it can become more about the theology than Christianity. And there is tons of fighting among as to who is right and who isn't.
Some of what she is saying is fair.
Call it what you will but if you go to a church that other Calvinists go to I would say it is a denomination too.
louie007007 2 years ago
louie --
I think Josh's video addresses your point quite well, though. True theology is *central* to Christianity, because without it, there is no gospel. God authored ALL of scripture -- if we become more focused on our "unity" as "Christians" than knowing and believing what the Word says, what is left of Christianity? It's like saying, "you're more about breathing than being alive!"
If we seem too passionate about our theology, it is because we see in it the gospel and nothing less.
Chrishankhah 2 years ago
May Yah most high bring all to truth of his chosen, ELECT, servant Jesus
(Isa 42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
ProveYourFaith 2 years ago
Excellent video brother. You have expressed many of the same thoughts I had when I watched Monica Dennington's video. Good job.
lightspeed52 2 years ago
Good job brother. God Bless.
ReformedBerean 2 years ago
this guy is pretty smart.
quickpost12345 2 years ago 3
good vid man!! Loved it....I'm gonna hit up Ms Dennington myself with my impression of her video....pretty much along the same lines with yours
prchdaword 2 years ago
Thanks bro GBU!
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I'm not an Arminian nor a Calvinist, I'm in the middle (a lot closer to the C-side). I'm what you'd call a "moderate Calvinist". There are many basic truths to Calvinism, but I believe many go too far with it.
Truthfully, if anyone's ever gonna put up an argument against ANY theological view, they best bring scripture into it or spare us the racket and keep their mouth shut. Monica's just doesn't know the difference between a Calvinist & a hyper-Calvinist. She needs to give it a rest.
WaitingforChrist 2 years ago
Hey Josh!
I just wanted to say that Monica is doing a 4 part series on this topic...this first video was in no way an attempt to refute Calvinistic DOCTRINE at all....but that will come in her later vids :o)
I personally am neither A or C but I believe the Bible teaches elements of both.
I love the passion many Calvinists have for the Glory of God and not sugar-coating the Gospel but, there is also a tendancy among Calvinists to be very argumentative and elitist, but not all of them xxx
gangiangie 2 years ago 9
I don't think its "elitist" to want to stand up for the glory of God at all. If the Gospel is narrowly defined and one point can take us away from it like it did the Galatians, then we should ALL take up arms when the Gospel is changed or threatened.
prchdaword 2 years ago
Amen bro, of course we should stand up for the Truth and not tolerate things that are anti God's Word but, it must ALL be done in love and in humility.
I personally cannot comment on either Calvinistic nor Arminian teachings because I not studied any of it....
I love the teaching of Paul Washer, and he appears to be Calvinist. I also love the teachings of Monica. I consider both of them to be brother and sister in Christ.
BUT, the calvinists I have spoken to have been angry and elitist :o(
gangiangie 2 years ago 5
Nice work :)
tezkingkong 2 years ago
You want a name other than Calvinist? How about "Biblical Christianity"?
Anakrino 2 years ago
I don't call myself a Calvinist, but I am highly unimpressed by the video you are responding to.
YHWHisElohim 2 years ago
I was so flabbergasted by her arguments. I could not believe she took 30 minutes of her life only to ignorantly portray and slander nearly every calvinist. I forgive her though, still I'd honestly like to see an apology, or at least the video removed.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Same here, but I'm not holding my breath one bit. BTW, she's posted a response to her original video. However, this time, if you post a comment, it says "Comment Pending Approval."
She's also blocked me as well. Go figure.
APSOC38 2 years ago
Im blocked too!
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Some "loving" spirit she has...NOT!
She loves to dish it out, but she won't take any reproof back. Such is typical of a false teacher like herself.
APSOC38 2 years ago
5:33 to 5:48 is priceless. Still laughing...not that the issue is funny. Thanks for the Post, Josh.
ReformedLou 2 years ago
Haha thanks Lou. It's true though, God Bless you brother!
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
John 6 destroys Arminianism....period. It's a chapter Arminians pretend doesn't exist. It simply confirms Ephesians 2:8-9, once again illustrating harmony and agreement between the Biblical writers regarding how God regenerates people.
It wasn't until I translated it while studying Greek in seminary that the lights finally came on. Arminians form views of God and impose them on Scripture instead of allowing Scripture to inform their understanding.
Calvin just systematized Scriptural truth.
scourge39 2 years ago
This was brilliant! Awesome! A great response! Amen!
KarensFaith 2 years ago
good points brother, amen!
diligentile 2 years ago
Many non Calvinists get angry and load their guns with presuppositions and false accusations. They have no true ammunition nor do they have any true backing of scripture to hold their ground. Good vid bro.
FATMIME 2 years ago
As a semi-pelagian, I remember not liking Spurgeon just because he was a Calvinist. Thank God for the illumination of His grace. I was missing out.
Anakrino 2 years ago
Real talk, bro. Great stuff!
YoungCalvinist08 2 years ago
Why is it the "Calvinist view" and not the Jesus Christ view? You say its because you need a name but is Jesus not a good enough name? Can you not be identified by Christ alone? These are the points I believe she was making.
purplepixelations 2 years ago 2
It wouold benefit no one. Indeed calvinism is orthodox, so yes, these truths originated with our Lord. But if I say Im a Christian, and you say your a Christian, I believe the biblical view a grace and you believe the unbiblical view of grace, are we not still in disagreement?
Sharing a common name like Christian(which we all are) will not solve this disagreement. So her agrument isn't a good one to begin with.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
It's called the "Calvinist" view because of its history, not because we follow Calvin. Calvin was dead and buried when it came about, actually.
YoungCalvinist08 2 years ago
Straight up, God Bless you, Keep standing for the TRUTH! this is honestly why i just call myself Reformed, just to stop this idiocity
CripForChrist 2 years ago
This is a great response, Josh.
LaneCh 2 years ago
Thank you Lane. It really is sad. Arminians absolutely hate the omnipotence of God.
And thank you brother for your many videos! It's been a little over a year since the Lord has saved me. And it started with " A Shocking Youth Message by Paul Washer". I believe that may have been your video. God has certainly used you. Stay humble brother, I love you, thank you. God Bless!
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Hold the line brother!
scribe7580 2 years ago 3
call them "denningtonists"
yanadi 2 years ago
...or Denningtonites. Either one should work.
APSOC38 2 years ago
This was a great response. I found it very sad that Monica Dennington attacked Christ's body in this way. I think on balance it is hard for a woman to stand up and be a teacher, as it is always easier for the devil to attack via women, as he did with Eve. They always seem to have an open back door to the wicked one's strategies, and her attack on the Church today was straight from the wicked one's strategy book.
usenetposts 2 years ago
The only true Gospel can be found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Shalom
theheat151 2 years ago
I don't understand you point. I agree, what are you trying to say? Did I say something wrong?
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
great video.
AMWYESHUASAVESAMW 2 years ago
Thank you sister. This really is sad. People will go to great lengths, even the sin of slander, to justify their unbiblical doctrine of grace.
I forgive them though, I understand, it's hard. But its the Truth.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Yes, VERY telling. Her ignorance seems willful. She'd rather believe calvinists are wrong "because they follow John Calvin" than believe the set doctrines of grace.
This goes for nearly EVERY Arminian.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
I've posted a bulletin on my channel warning all of my friends to stay away from TicTocMinistries. I've even gone further to say that Monica is a false teacher and does not know how to properly apply Scripture.
APSOC38 2 years ago
Telling indeed...
scribe7580 2 years ago
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116clique 2 years ago
Nice.
DefendingTheTruth 2 years ago
I know of a person who sums up the salvation doctrine pretty well. He says:
Our Christ's last 7 words were not " I hope this works" No..He came with a solid purpose, and his blood will not be wasted on someone who decides to give it a try. People who give it a try and fail where never saved in the first place. One can't be born again, and unborn themselves. Someone can't take the work of the Holy Spirit and un- do his power. We are not that strong in of ourselves.
setfree2day 2 years ago 2
Amen!
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Do Calvinists/Reformed believe non-Calvinist Christians are saved? If the elect are predestined to be saved, are they also predestined to be Calvinist?
TFarache 2 years ago
Yes, they're saved, after all, no-one is perfect on this side of eternity, even us "Calvinists"...
YoungCalvinist08 2 years ago
Truly I feel you bro, but I'm just telling you what it looks like..being on the outside looking in.
116clique 2 years ago
side I can say that, that view is simply not true. Alot of Calvinist listen to what other Calvinist teach about Armenians or how they are, or what they believe, my suggestion is look it up yourself (Not aimed at you but in general) Cause all of them don't believe that way my friend.
116clique 2 years ago
GOD, and sincerely repent and beleive in The Gospel, not just simply say a little sinners prayer, I beleived The Gospel that way, when I heald to an Arminian View point and I do so By His Grace even now. So for the Calvanist to just say that Arminians view of The Gospel is GOD has a wonderful plan for your life, just say this prayer is absurd brother. I hear everyone whose reformed say the same exact thing about the Arminians view of The Gospel, and for me being someone that came from the other
116clique 2 years ago
And that's what we look foward to in the midst of our suffering, that's why Paul said theese light afflictions don't compare to The Glory that awaits us. Asaph said Christ is our portion forever, HE is ALL SATISFYING in the midst of Suffering. And I absolutely agree saying a sinners prayer WILL NOT save you, not just that at all. Christ said Repent and Beleive in The Gospel...if a sinner is really broken over there sin, and wants to be saved I would suggest hitting your face and Crying out to
116clique 2 years ago
Amen to all that you said. I used to be like that also. Never presented the gospel the way most do today.
I see where your going, that not all arminians present a false gospel, I believe that, but Im not talking about those arminians, Im talking about the blatantly and willingly ignorant brothers and sister that refuse to believe scripture for the sake of how they feel about it. The free-willers. Only God saves, man can do nothing. God gets the glory, man will get what God gives him.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Even when I going hard against calvanism I didn't beleive nor present The Gospel in the way the reformed say the so called Arminiest does. GOD has a great plant for your life? I beleive Jesus said that beleivers would suffer for His Name Sake, in Peter it says everyone living Godly in Christ Jesus WILL suffer persecution..The Christian life is a life of dying to yourself toiling, striving and SUFFERING for Christ..not a walk in The Park..but what's awesome is GOD grants us eternal life
116clique 2 years ago
Jesus loves u and has a wonderful plan for your life, just repeat this sinners prayer...That is absolutely so far from the Truth! Even when I was hardcore against reformed theology, I didn't beleive nor present The Gospel that, way and alot of Calvanist are conditioned into thinking because they listen to other calvanist in a video or read a book written by someone who is reformed telling them what the Arminians beleive or how they view The Gospel
116clique 2 years ago
Well, as a former Southern Baptist (the largest evangelical denomination in the US), I can say that is exactly what we did. You can even look at the effect of "America's Pastor" Rick Warren with his gospel of "God smiles when you be you." What foolishness.
Anakrino 2 years ago
All I can say as a person who used to be strogly against and fight against reformed theology, to a person that is now leaning more towards it. Is that I absolutely disgree with the way Calvanist petrey arminians, I think alot of Calviinist try to make Arminians look stupid rather then showing them there vies in Love, I see that alot of people who are reformed all beleive the same thing about how Arminiest Beleive in and share The Gospel. by saying the Arminiest view of the Gospel is
116clique 2 years ago
I used to be against it also. Until I read Romans 9.
It's not fun being told your wrong, continually. There may be a few rare calvinists who laugh at and look down on the arminian, and it is wrong. But regarding salvation they are wrong. It's not that we try to belittle them, it's just they refuse to adhere to correct doctrine, thus produce a gospel that saves practically noone but instead makes them false converts. This is what the calvinist is against, not the arminian.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Let's be fair; that is definitely a double-edged sword. I don't know any Calvinists who haven't been mocked as God's robots, belittled as if unaware of "free will," and labeled anti-evangelistic for not trusting in the sinner's prayer and altar calls. It is human pride, not one's view of soteriology, that creates division in the body.
Anakrino 2 years ago
Wanna know why she's not dismantling Calvinism? It's because she's not anti-Calvinist. For all we know, she might even have the same theological views as Calvin. The point of this vid is not to attack Calvinism, but to NOT CAUSE DIVISION IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. And it's also about not making an idol out of the great theologians. Look at 1 Corinthians. Was not the words of Paul considered Scripture? Was no the words of Peter considered scripture? Yet it say's to not call yourself a follower of
SilenThps 2 years ago 2
Neither of them but to call yourself a follower of Christ! By calling yourself a Calvinist your making yourself out to be separate from all other members of the Body of Christ who do not identify themselves as Calvinist.
SilenThps 2 years ago 3
Dude, Calvinism is an expression of biblical theology, NOT a seperate body.
Calvinists follow Christ. Its not like mormonism where they follow joseph smith. It a term used to express a theological view.
This is what arminians can do. Stop preaching their false gospel.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
I didn't say it was a separate body. It's still apart of the body, but its making itself seem separate from the rest of the body by making people who don't identify themselves as Calvinist seem like they're not an important part of the body.
If your one of the rare Calvinist who don't do this, then congrats, her vid doesn't apply to you. But it still applies to a lot of other Calvinist out there.
SilenThps 2 years ago 7
I believe some arminians are genuine born again believers also. And I wasn't saying you particularly, I meant arminians in general (usually) preach a false gospel presentation.
The only difference between calvinists and arminians or any creature in between, is correct exegesis of scripture. We don't have to call ourselves calvinists, we can say we believe in eternal security, limited atonement, etc and still be labeled a calvinist.
It's just a name for what we believe, that's it. You see?
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Well of course your not talking about me, I'm, what people would call, a Calvinist too =P.
But yes, I understand.
SilenThps 2 years ago
Haha, you could have let me know that in the beginning haha.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
This sounds good on the surface, but people identify with titles. If it were not for titles, how many false churches would we have to bounce through before finding a true congregation of believers? Words have meaning and it is only fair for someone who believes the doctrines of Grace to refer to themselves as Calvinists.
Anakrino 2 years ago
Are you Calvinist??? That's a denominational Christian and no denomination is the true church. The only true church is the body of Christ who are those born again Christians that have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Denominational Christianity is not a ticket to heaven but a private relationship with Jesus.
PrekoOkeana 2 years ago
Is not a denomination.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
"Are you Calvinist??? That's a denominational Christian and no denomination is the true church." PrekloOkeana
WRONG! The only church I am aware of that uses Calvinist in its denominational title is the Calvinistic Methodist church of Wales.
I'd ask you if you were an Arminian but I probably wouldn't get a straight answer or a real one. Most Arminians live in a state of denial. There is only one true church, the Holy Catholic Church which is NOT a denomination. Now go misunderstand that too!
Blogrich55 2 years ago
Calvinist is not a denomination, but as Josh said in his video, is a soteriological position. As for your comment regarding denominationalism, is it now therefore a sin to attend any church except a non-denominational one? Let us not be ridiculous.
Anakrino 2 years ago