God Jesus came to save everyone, but people don't accept him so that's there fault for not repenting and believing. Would you save someone when they've done wrong and went against what you said and they don't believe in you and change there ways?
I love this analogy... the only part that doesn't make sense to me is that fact that God chooses to save some of his children but not others. Why doesn't God save everyone?
@bwconklin Yes - and at some time in the distant past there was no life in the universe -- just elements and chemical compounds. Somehow, these chemicals combined and came to life
@42mada God's will is for everyone to be saved but people choose not to recieve salvation. Your question is where the doctrine of election falls apart.
@TheCumberlands34 If anyone believes that Jesus is God incarnate and their only saviour who died on the cross and rose again, they are saved. All Christians agree. Election is an "in-house" debate. But election does not fall apart. Election assures that all people are saved by grace alone. Election also shows us that God is ready and willing to be holy and righteous and judge us. Hence why salvation is so sweet. Here is a lie that people buy: "God is glorified more by saving than judging."
I'm very disturbed by his example. No child under the age of 4 or 5 should be expected to have the physical and mental maturity to not run off, regardless of traffic, if their curiosity or boredom or whatever draws them to. It's the parent's job to hold the child's hand at all times in dangerous settings.Also, People have to understand what love really is, before they can comprehend why free choice is the foundation of it. He doesn't address this clearly.
I'm very disturbed by his example. No child under the age of 4 or 5 should be expected to have the physical and mental maturity to not run off, regardless of traffic, if their curiosity or boredom or whatever draws them to. It's the parent's job to hold the child's hand at all times in dangerous settings.Also, People have to understand what love really is, before they can comprehend why free choice is the foundation of it. He doesn't address this clearly.
I like what he has to say, but he doesn't really answer the original question. If God is sovereign then how can we "choose to rebel against God?". If God has predestined that someone will be rebellious, then the person is unable to "choose" anything. They are a marionette and God is pulling the strings. Can anyone explain this concept further to me?
@fdgdsch Paul discusses this issue in Romans 9. He assumes his readers will come up with the same arguement in verse 19 and then gives some perspective in the rest of the chapter. The point seems to be that God gives mercy to some and justice to others. People are born rebellious. Their will is the puppet of their evil, selfish heart. Only God's mercy can change the heart. Once the heart changes, the will follows.
@fdgdsch Paul discusses this issue in Romans 9. He assumes his readers will come up with the same arguement in verse 19 and then gives some perspective in the rest of the chapter. The point seems to be that God gives mercy to some and justice to others and that mercy isn't mercy without the real potential of justice. People are born rebellious. Their will is the puppet of their evil, selfish heart. Only God's Spirit can change the heart. Once the heart changes, the will follows.
@fdgdsch Paul discusses this issue in Romans 9. He assumes his readers will come up with the same arguement in verse 19 and then gives some perspective in the rest of the chapter. The point seems to be that God gives mercy to some and justice to others and that mercy isn't mercy without the real potential of justice. People are born rebellious. Their will is the puppet of their evil, selfish heart. Only God's Spirit can change the heart. Once the heart changes, the will follows.
@Birdieupon Adults who stubbornly arrogantly resist Jesus, deciding that we're all ex-monkeys on a dirt ball who may as well hump ourselves to oblivion, stealing, shooting, looting, raping, murdering, hoarding gold, helping nobody,OR less extremely,they insist THEY KNOW EVERYTHING & believe God is an ''imaginary tyrant" cos an NWO evolution indoctrinator who only receives air-time from the Zionist Satanist media EXPRESSLY to burn faith without book-burning--
Driscoll has this the wrong way round. He wrongly claims the only person who gets what he DOESNT want is the Christian. This is nonsense. The Christian is someone who loves God & is very grateful he has been saved. The Christian is someone who, having seen the utter helplessness of his situation, and seeing the love of God for him, repents of his sin, is converted, and his sins are thus forgiven, he receives exactly what he wants, as he indeed humbly asked to be forgiven. This is a Christian.
Not to cause discord among brothers, but I do have one disagreement concerning election.
If election is true and in love God does override free will to snatch us from death, then God is a made a liar because the Bible says that God desires that no one perish. If election were the case then he would override everyone's will and all would be saved. One could then legetimately question God's justice for not saving everyone by force.We know that this is not the case.
God is getting the glory either way if people go to hell or not.
God did not want mankind to rebel, but they did, he does not desire any should perish, but they have rebelled against him and Justice DEMANDS that God punishes sin.
God makes it clear in the word, he chose those who would be saved since the foundation of the world. You don't like it? You may have an issue with the sovereignty of God.
Listen - why would God give a flying fuck whether we are good or bad. Surely if he did he would have just made us good. I cannot believe in 2010 there are still people believing this nonsense. Be good because u want to help people not because u are scared of some imaginary higher power or because u believe u might go to heaven. Think please
He did make us good; He made this world perfect, but we are the ones that ruined it. We sinned against God. We help people because it's the right thing to do; it does not take works to get to Heaven, that's false doctrine. Jesus Christ died on the Cross for us -- for our sins, we're saved by grace, not by works. We must call on the name of the Lord to be saved (and believe).
How can one fear God and Love him at the same time? This I feel is very creepy - Many women who have been beaten by their husbands also say but a relationship of this nature can only be disfunctional dont u agree?
When the Bible teaches to "fear" God, it's not in a matter of, say, a child trembling in fear because of a monster under the bed or in the closet. It refers to more of a healthy respect or reverence of God, and appreciation for what he does, can do, and will do.
@HolyOnna That is simply not true - I can remember being quite disturbed as a child at the thought that my Grandfather might have gone to hell or that I might one day for eternity!!! So it is exactly a matter of a child trembling in fear because of a monster. Why would I love someone who threatens this upon me and my children. It is not in any way natural and normal to live life in such a fearful and guilt ridden fashion
Yes, election is true but God does not override free will.
the bible never speaks of the non-christian will as anything but enslaved to sin....unable to please nor even understand God....nor desire to do so...
So...they don't have a "free will" in that sense, that they can choose God....
BUT....
God does change their heart, and so what they once hated....they now choose freely according to their desire....
PS: what's this verse you reference where God desires no one perish?
Sorry , new user , but sir you really should seek help for your mental condition.....I am sorry for you . Somehow you think you are doing me a favor? and I am burdening you, that is so Bullshi& I wouldnt know where to start taking this apart. These are actual text msg's from the public ? again rubbish , your the vile one.
if people have NO choice and sin is unavoidable then God would be wasting His time judging them, and God would not care , if as according to Calvinism sinning is unavoidable then Jesus would not have needed to come! and at Judgment God would let everyone in His kingdom since sinning is unavoidable and also obedience.
under the deception of Calvinist reformed doctrine Gods kingdom would crumble in anarchy...
we will ALL be judged...first at our particular judgement when we die... then at the Great White Throne judgement at the end of time after our Lord has returned in glory
are you ready to meet your Lord in judgement? are you REALLY?
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? (Romans 9:18-21)
thanks for this cool video! my names Victoria, kinda feelin bored if any1 wants to join me on cam or wana chat i will be signed on at __ FriendlyFlirts(.COM) __ my user ID there is Victoria_wdubjfpple chat soon xx its FR33 to j0in! mwah
what i am merely doing is what Luther and Calvin did to the catholic church. i am not pointing out contradictions in the bible, the bible doesnt have contradictions. God breathed scripture cannot have contradiction. i am pointing out a hole in marks theology here. and thats ok because anytime he wants to do the same to me, ill receive it gladly. we are suppose to work out our faith with fear and trembling. so cry peace all you want to but for me i will cry for holiness and worship
theres no doubt in my mind that be carry Adams guilt from birth. i just point out contradictions when i see them, and it just so happens that Calvinism contradicts the bible. sorry
if in fact you believe in the doctrine of total depravity, you believe that man is from birth, sinful, and that man CANNOT choose anything other than sin.
we do not CHOOSE to run from God
we cannot CHOOSE at all
which is not biblical, see you bend Calvinism until its not Calvinism, and you bend the bible to fit that form of Calvinism, which is wrong. Acts 17 says that God is sovereign so that men may CHOOSE him, sorry bud, your wrong
Hey, man, can we calm down and stop shouting at people over the computer? Shoving your doctrine at someone is not going to help them to see your point of view, it's going to hinder them.
You make a good point brother, but let me give you a few things to consider and wrestle through.
1. Paul makes it very clear that man is totally depraved: What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." - Romans 3:9-12
2. As for Acts 17, yes it does describe God's sovereignty both in creation and in His self sufficiency, and rightfully so. Although the text doesn't actually use the word 'choose', it is a reasonable word to use given what is said in verse 27. The question isn't, "does man choose God"? The answer to that is clearly, yes. The question is, "when does man choose God"? And the answer to that question is that man has the ability to choose God only after we have been regenerated by God.
Regeneration occurs, and then Salvation which is a choice, a response of faith to the Grace demonstrated to us by God. Just as when you strike a match there is fire, and immediately there is heat, God stikes a match in the heart of man moving him from spiritually dead to spiritually alive. Then, and only then can man respond to to His grace. Just like a dead man cannot cry out from the grave for life, a spiritually dead man cannot cry out for spiritual life.
Faith is a separate entity (gift) and comes through christ "It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him..." Acts 3:16. "in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you"Romans 12:3. "to another faith by the same Spirit" 1 cor. 12:9 (niv)
Our will is part of a our soul, and a soul must be saved by God. You believe in Christ with the gift of faith that God gave you simultaneously at your new birth. You believe with faith as apposed to choice.
Faith is not given without Christ himself. The response of faith to the Grace demonstrated to us by God is because we are then spiritually alive and able to respond and cry Abba Father." For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians. 2:8 faith is not a function of our will.
Faith is in the new man not in the flesh. It is a function of the new man. All the other false religions have faithful followers stuck in their wickedness and they seemingly have faith. But never is it the same faith that comes as a gift through the Holy Spirit to trust Christ. So their faith must be a soulish deception. hence free will must be so too. God is not an ice cream flavor that we hum and haw and then decide upon like some believe. Our faith is heavenly it comes from God himself.
@Ecothearcy Not everyone who says they are a christian is in fact a christian Some will stand before jesus on the last day will say lord lord sound formilure lukewarm christians hot nor cold hitler thought he was a christian he was very cold
Solid response... Mark gets nice and fiesty at the end of the 10pm service. I like how he calls out the armchair philosophers in the crowd to stop playing games with God. My brother got some passion in him.
God Jesus came to save everyone, but people don't accept him so that's there fault for not repenting and believing. Would you save someone when they've done wrong and went against what you said and they don't believe in you and change there ways?
iMeGAMaN227 2 months ago
beautiful.
tubbman7 6 months ago
I love this analogy... the only part that doesn't make sense to me is that fact that God chooses to save some of his children but not others. Why doesn't God save everyone?
42mada 11 months ago
@42mada
It depends on your perspective of saved. Heaven is by far a nicer place to be than earth. :)
Jerkwad152 11 months ago
@Jerkwad152
How do you know? What if we just sit around kissing the ass of the sky dictator for the rest of eternity?
bwconklin 8 months ago
@bwconklin
Tell you what. We'll all just wait and see what happens.
Jerkwad152 8 months ago
@Jerkwad152
I'm going to wait around for an imaginary place. I'm going to live the only life I will ever have to the best of my ability..
bwconklin 8 months ago
@bwconklin Yes - and at some time in the distant past there was no life in the universe -- just elements and chemical compounds. Somehow, these chemicals combined and came to life
Thechristiancullen 3 months ago
@42mada God's will is for everyone to be saved but people choose not to recieve salvation. Your question is where the doctrine of election falls apart.
TheCumberlands34 11 months ago
@TheCumberlands34 If anyone believes that Jesus is God incarnate and their only saviour who died on the cross and rose again, they are saved. All Christians agree. Election is an "in-house" debate. But election does not fall apart. Election assures that all people are saved by grace alone. Election also shows us that God is ready and willing to be holy and righteous and judge us. Hence why salvation is so sweet. Here is a lie that people buy: "God is glorified more by saving than judging."
RuManCow 5 months ago
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@42mada “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”-Romans 9:15
MasterOranda 10 months ago
I'm very disturbed by his example. No child under the age of 4 or 5 should be expected to have the physical and mental maturity to not run off, regardless of traffic, if their curiosity or boredom or whatever draws them to. It's the parent's job to hold the child's hand at all times in dangerous settings.Also, People have to understand what love really is, before they can comprehend why free choice is the foundation of it. He doesn't address this clearly.
mauiflis 1 year ago
I'm very disturbed by his example. No child under the age of 4 or 5 should be expected to have the physical and mental maturity to not run off, regardless of traffic, if their curiosity or boredom or whatever draws them to. It's the parent's job to hold the child's hand at all times in dangerous settings.Also, People have to understand what love really is, before they can comprehend why free choice is the foundation of it. He doesn't address this clearly.
mauiflis 1 year ago
This is brilliant. Keep up the preaching the gospel.
Thechristiancullen 1 year ago
I like what he has to say, but he doesn't really answer the original question. If God is sovereign then how can we "choose to rebel against God?". If God has predestined that someone will be rebellious, then the person is unable to "choose" anything. They are a marionette and God is pulling the strings. Can anyone explain this concept further to me?
fdgdsch 1 year ago
@fdgdsch Paul discusses this issue in Romans 9. He assumes his readers will come up with the same arguement in verse 19 and then gives some perspective in the rest of the chapter. The point seems to be that God gives mercy to some and justice to others. People are born rebellious. Their will is the puppet of their evil, selfish heart. Only God's mercy can change the heart. Once the heart changes, the will follows.
telecom2002 1 year ago
@fdgdsch Paul discusses this issue in Romans 9. He assumes his readers will come up with the same arguement in verse 19 and then gives some perspective in the rest of the chapter. The point seems to be that God gives mercy to some and justice to others and that mercy isn't mercy without the real potential of justice. People are born rebellious. Their will is the puppet of their evil, selfish heart. Only God's Spirit can change the heart. Once the heart changes, the will follows.
telecom2002 1 year ago
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@fdgdsch Paul discusses this issue in Romans 9. He assumes his readers will come up with the same arguement in verse 19 and then gives some perspective in the rest of the chapter. The point seems to be that God gives mercy to some and justice to others and that mercy isn't mercy without the real potential of justice. People are born rebellious. Their will is the puppet of their evil, selfish heart. Only God's Spirit can change the heart. Once the heart changes, the will follows.
telecom2002 1 year ago
What does Driscoll mean when he speaks of "The Elect"?
His story sounds as if God could choose to save everybody (violate their free will) but he only chooses to save *some* people...!?
This would be like Mark choosing to pull one of his kids out of the way but leaving another one to just get mowed down!
How on Earth does that work? What kind of father figure is this?
Something sounds seriously wrong in this theology...
...anybody else think this? Anyone help me if I've missed something?
Birdieupon 1 year ago
@Birdieupon Adults who stubbornly arrogantly resist Jesus, deciding that we're all ex-monkeys on a dirt ball who may as well hump ourselves to oblivion, stealing, shooting, looting, raping, murdering, hoarding gold, helping nobody,OR less extremely,they insist THEY KNOW EVERYTHING & believe God is an ''imaginary tyrant" cos an NWO evolution indoctrinator who only receives air-time from the Zionist Satanist media EXPRESSLY to burn faith without book-burning--
WILL find out the hard way about God
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Birdieupon 1 year ago
Driscoll has this the wrong way round. He wrongly claims the only person who gets what he DOESNT want is the Christian. This is nonsense. The Christian is someone who loves God & is very grateful he has been saved. The Christian is someone who, having seen the utter helplessness of his situation, and seeing the love of God for him, repents of his sin, is converted, and his sins are thus forgiven, he receives exactly what he wants, as he indeed humbly asked to be forgiven. This is a Christian.
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
Amen. Save me from myself.
lalastransmission 1 year ago
Not to cause discord among brothers, but I do have one disagreement concerning election.
If election is true and in love God does override free will to snatch us from death, then God is a made a liar because the Bible says that God desires that no one perish. If election were the case then he would override everyone's will and all would be saved. One could then legetimately question God's justice for not saving everyone by force.We know that this is not the case.
Lifescythe 2 years ago
I agree.
Terri3210 2 years ago
God is getting the glory either way if people go to hell or not.
God did not want mankind to rebel, but they did, he does not desire any should perish, but they have rebelled against him and Justice DEMANDS that God punishes sin.
God makes it clear in the word, he chose those who would be saved since the foundation of the world. You don't like it? You may have an issue with the sovereignty of God.
simone56 2 years ago
Listen - why would God give a flying fuck whether we are good or bad. Surely if he did he would have just made us good. I cannot believe in 2010 there are still people believing this nonsense. Be good because u want to help people not because u are scared of some imaginary higher power or because u believe u might go to heaven. Think please
jimmajamma2006 2 years ago
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HowdyNrealLife 2 years ago
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@jimmajamma2006
He did make us good; He made this world perfect, but we are the ones that ruined it. We sinned against God. We help people because it's the right thing to do; it does not take works to get to Heaven, that's false doctrine. Jesus Christ died on the Cross for us -- for our sins, we're saved by grace, not by works. We must call on the name of the Lord to be saved (and believe).
HowdyNrealLife 2 years ago
Something to consider;
the flip-side is that if you hold that position, one could then legitimately question God's sovereignty and omnipotence.
Do you suppose that God's will and God's desire are the same?
Does not God have an exhorted/revealed will, and a secret will?
[Acts 2, Acts 4]
Just something to consider.
grace & peace brother! :-)
kyleotto44 2 years ago
How can one fear God and Love him at the same time? This I feel is very creepy - Many women who have been beaten by their husbands also say but a relationship of this nature can only be disfunctional dont u agree?
jimmajamma2006 2 years ago
When the Bible teaches to "fear" God, it's not in a matter of, say, a child trembling in fear because of a monster under the bed or in the closet. It refers to more of a healthy respect or reverence of God, and appreciation for what he does, can do, and will do.
HolyOnna 2 years ago
@HolyOnna That is simply not true - I can remember being quite disturbed as a child at the thought that my Grandfather might have gone to hell or that I might one day for eternity!!! So it is exactly a matter of a child trembling in fear because of a monster. Why would I love someone who threatens this upon me and my children. It is not in any way natural and normal to live life in such a fearful and guilt ridden fashion
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jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@HolyOnna More people need to see your comment sir :)
KBoe4 1 year ago
@Lifescythe,
Yes, election is true but God does not override free will.
the bible never speaks of the non-christian will as anything but enslaved to sin....unable to please nor even understand God....nor desire to do so...
So...they don't have a "free will" in that sense, that they can choose God....
BUT....
God does change their heart, and so what they once hated....they now choose freely according to their desire....
PS: what's this verse you reference where God desires no one perish?
rpavich 2 years ago
@lifescythe,
PS #2...
Romans answers your Q:
"Why does he still find fault if HE made me like this?
Paul's answer?
"Oh clay pot...you have no right to question the potter who made you..."
Sorry but that's the answer....
rpavich 2 years ago
If therye is a god please dont let Ice2House write a book on me.... thank you lord
alphadog7473 2 years ago
Sorry , new user , but sir you really should seek help for your mental condition.....I am sorry for you . Somehow you think you are doing me a favor? and I am burdening you, that is so Bullshi& I wouldnt know where to start taking this apart. These are actual text msg's from the public ? again rubbish , your the vile one.
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thats why calvinism is so dangerous
if people have NO choice and sin is unavoidable then God would be wasting His time judging them, and God would not care , if as according to Calvinism sinning is unavoidable then Jesus would not have needed to come! and at Judgment God would let everyone in His kingdom since sinning is unavoidable and also obedience.
under the deception of Calvinist reformed doctrine Gods kingdom would crumble in anarchy...
openairpreacher 2 years ago
hank hanegraaf was the person that made the quote about "rape". I couldn't believe that he would say something so short-sighted.
LLroomtempJ 3 years ago 3
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lol... what the fuck is this?
UnluckyGambler 3 years ago
As C.H.Spurgeon says:"It is the will of man that damns, it is will of God that saves."
daafith 3 years ago 2
we will ALL be judged...first at our particular judgement when we die... then at the Great White Throne judgement at the end of time after our Lord has returned in glory
are you ready to meet your Lord in judgement? are you REALLY?
faithful827 3 years ago
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? (Romans 9:18-21)
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OddjobKebab 3 years ago
what i am merely doing is what Luther and Calvin did to the catholic church. i am not pointing out contradictions in the bible, the bible doesnt have contradictions. God breathed scripture cannot have contradiction. i am pointing out a hole in marks theology here. and thats ok because anytime he wants to do the same to me, ill receive it gladly. we are suppose to work out our faith with fear and trembling. so cry peace all you want to but for me i will cry for holiness and worship
10musicman1012 3 years ago
You point out views that contradict your philosophy, not contradictions in the bible.
SalvationEternity777 3 years ago
If you don't believe men are sinful, that's fine. The truth has been shown to you, however.
SalvationEternity777 3 years ago
theres no doubt in my mind that be carry Adams guilt from birth. i just point out contradictions when i see them, and it just so happens that Calvinism contradicts the bible. sorry
10musicman1012 3 years ago
mark you contradict yourself in the beginning.
if in fact you believe in the doctrine of total depravity, you believe that man is from birth, sinful, and that man CANNOT choose anything other than sin.
we do not CHOOSE to run from God
we cannot CHOOSE at all
which is not biblical, see you bend Calvinism until its not Calvinism, and you bend the bible to fit that form of Calvinism, which is wrong. Acts 17 says that God is sovereign so that men may CHOOSE him, sorry bud, your wrong
10musicman1012 3 years ago
hes not a Calvinist, he says right at the beginning of the sermon he believes Augustine, which is very similar.
christianmike 3 years ago
are you serious. he named his kid Calvin Martin after John Calvin and Martin Luther. he did a whole sermon on TULIP. im sorry but you are mistaken
10musicman1012 3 years ago
Calvin and Luther Rock! but he clearly says in the begining of the sermon... augustine...
christianmike 3 years ago
Hey, man, can we calm down and stop shouting at people over the computer? Shoving your doctrine at someone is not going to help them to see your point of view, it's going to hinder them.
cattieloves 3 years ago
You make a good point brother, but let me give you a few things to consider and wrestle through.
1. Paul makes it very clear that man is totally depraved: What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." - Romans 3:9-12
kwilson2307 3 years ago
2. As for Acts 17, yes it does describe God's sovereignty both in creation and in His self sufficiency, and rightfully so. Although the text doesn't actually use the word 'choose', it is a reasonable word to use given what is said in verse 27. The question isn't, "does man choose God"? The answer to that is clearly, yes. The question is, "when does man choose God"? And the answer to that question is that man has the ability to choose God only after we have been regenerated by God.
kwilson2307 3 years ago
Regeneration occurs, and then Salvation which is a choice, a response of faith to the Grace demonstrated to us by God. Just as when you strike a match there is fire, and immediately there is heat, God stikes a match in the heart of man moving him from spiritually dead to spiritually alive. Then, and only then can man respond to to His grace. Just like a dead man cannot cry out from the grave for life, a spiritually dead man cannot cry out for spiritual life.
kwilson2307 3 years ago
Faith is a separate entity (gift) and comes through christ "It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him..." Acts 3:16. "in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you"Romans 12:3. "to another faith by the same Spirit" 1 cor. 12:9 (niv)
Our will is part of a our soul, and a soul must be saved by God. You believe in Christ with the gift of faith that God gave you simultaneously at your new birth. You believe with faith as apposed to choice.
Ice2House 2 years ago
Faith is not given without Christ himself. The response of faith to the Grace demonstrated to us by God is because we are then spiritually alive and able to respond and cry Abba Father." For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians. 2:8 faith is not a function of our will.
Ice2House 2 years ago
Faith is in the new man not in the flesh. It is a function of the new man. All the other false religions have faithful followers stuck in their wickedness and they seemingly have faith. But never is it the same faith that comes as a gift through the Holy Spirit to trust Christ. So their faith must be a soulish deception. hence free will must be so too. God is not an ice cream flavor that we hum and haw and then decide upon like some believe. Our faith is heavenly it comes from God himself.
Ice2House 2 years ago
100% biblical.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Love it Love it Love it. Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me, I once was lost but now I'm found was blind but now I see.
southernyankee07 4 years ago 2
that illustration with the girl and the truck is amazing, its so odd how so many people still uses the free will doctrine
SalvationEternity777 4 years ago
Is George Bush a Christian? Is Yed Haggerd a Christian, Jimmy Swaggert, Billy Graham r they Christians, and saved?
Ecothearcy 4 years ago
@Ecothearcy Not everyone who says they are a christian is in fact a christian Some will stand before jesus on the last day will say lord lord sound formilure lukewarm christians hot nor cold hitler thought he was a christian he was very cold
MsYellow2222 1 year ago
Solid response... Mark gets nice and fiesty at the end of the 10pm service. I like how he calls out the armchair philosophers in the crowd to stop playing games with God. My brother got some passion in him.
johntwfhm 4 years ago 2
Interesting. I like Driscoll a lot. I need to watch it again and chew on the things he says.
ChrisBrewster 4 years ago 2
Backbackbackback... GONE! Driscoll knocks one rrrright outta the park. Grand slam home run!
MatthiasProspero 4 years ago 10
These are not truths about Jesus. He is God, not just a messenger.
ChrisBrewster 4 years ago 2
WHAT????
graceuntold 4 years ago
Man I never looked at it that way, Grade A stuff! But I did always know God had a better plan for me when MY plans didn't come to fruition.
BloodXHawk 4 years ago 2
Bangin!! Mark killed it!
choz3 4 years ago 2