I'm confused. What's the goal here? Are they trying to get stronger or develop their cardio? As you all should know, you don't train for both at the same time. Seems like another trend to me.
It's a good training for body and soul, it's fun and it's helping you developing better stamina and muscle endurance. That is the ultimate goal, for some people "it's the only way to burn fat" they say. And ofcourse you develop strength as you develop stamina. It's one of those natural exercises for the body.
I don't doubt that you enjoy it but everything you said "smacks" of a trend. Vague expressions like "training for body and soul" and "it's the only way to burn fat" are indicative of a trend. there's nothing you can't do with dumbells or other equipment that's shown here with the kettlebells. That swing that everyone is doing is pure cardio and not a strength builder.
Well I'm not in the mood to argue but it is a strength builder ! for the first week you can do it couple of times and the next you can double that, that is saying you've gained more strength to do so. You don't have to push heavy weights to gain muscle strength! It's not that I'm selling it or saying it's the only way to burn fat,
for some people it is the only way in their class because they go for more natural motions than the typical weight training machinery.(those only train big muscles). And when you mention vague expressions, I'm only saying it because they have a good atmosphere there, trust me I know from experience. So basically it's not the trend matter your referring to. I'm not saying that they these typical sentences, my friends are going there and they say it's different from the normal gym training.
That's using the term "strength" very liberally. Swinging kettlebells or dumbells is not really going to make you strong but will make you more powerful in using wholebody force.
Sure, you will not break the squat world record by training only with kettlebells. But what's the point? How many other sports can brag about enabling their athletes to lift a 150 lbs db overhead, running a marathon or bending nails without any specific training? Developping strength endurance, will develop strength, not as much as a program strictly geared toward limit strength, with low sets, heavy weights, and lot of rest between sets, but it will work too...
It needs a lot of dedicated and specific training to reach a triple bodyweight deadlift and to enter a powerlifting meet, but double bodyweight deadlifters are not rare at all among kettlebell lifters. And they get those results from training only with bells never weighing more than 30 to 40 % of their bodyweight, with high reps sets!... In most gyms across the world, you have more chances to find 16 inches biceps than double bw deadlifters.
Last but not least, I understand the point you were making, about not mixing strength and endurance training to get maximal results in both : Pavel Tsatsouline says the same thing. But nothing prevents a kettlebell lifter to break his training into endurance and strength days, and I think they are more and more numerous to do so. Kb come in heavier sizes nowadays : do you know much people able to do a snatch from a platform or a front squat with a pair TRENDY 106 lbs kettlebells? :-)
Once you do it enough you can snatch a heavy kettlebell. But speed training can only take you so far. Any tool can be used for slow and fast training. The kettlebell is being marketed as a magic pill, and kettlebells get a lot of attention because they're still pretty new here.
No, sir, they don't... In fact they don't need to deadlift for what they have to do. Separating "speed" and "strength" training is a misconception. Strength is the ability to exert force and force = mass X acceleration. For the same force output, if you decrease the weight, the speed will be increased. As Rob Lawrence put it, you can go as fast as you can (with relatively light weights) as long as it doesn't compromise tension, and still generate an awesome strength output... and build strength.
Train with dumbells for high reps quick lifts, and you will soon miss your rotator cuff, and then you won't build much neither in the way of endurance, nor of strength. Maybe thick handled dumbell training could increase one's finger strength to the point of being able to do bending feats... But the kettlebell is still more complete. Finally, what is obvious from your writings is that you have never trained with kettlebells, otherwise you would know about what your are talking.
I've had kettlebells since 2001. There good tools if used right but the marketing gimics that you see everywhere now give people the wrong ideas about them.
Man, wake up!... We live in a market economy, you can see marketing gimics everywhere, anytime. As you say, and that's gonna be my bottom line, kettlebells are good tools, but not the best ones. But as for any human endeavour, the best is the ennemy of the good...
I use Kettlebells and i think it's great!
Getting stronger and stronger!
I basicly love kettlebells!
Viddiz 3 years ago
icelandic girls rock!
sidiqmk 3 years ago
I'm confused. What's the goal here? Are they trying to get stronger or develop their cardio? As you all should know, you don't train for both at the same time. Seems like another trend to me.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
It's a good training for body and soul, it's fun and it's helping you developing better stamina and muscle endurance. That is the ultimate goal, for some people "it's the only way to burn fat" they say. And ofcourse you develop strength as you develop stamina. It's one of those natural exercises for the body.
juukyuu 3 years ago
I don't doubt that you enjoy it but everything you said "smacks" of a trend. Vague expressions like "training for body and soul" and "it's the only way to burn fat" are indicative of a trend. there's nothing you can't do with dumbells or other equipment that's shown here with the kettlebells. That swing that everyone is doing is pure cardio and not a strength builder.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
Well I'm not in the mood to argue but it is a strength builder ! for the first week you can do it couple of times and the next you can double that, that is saying you've gained more strength to do so. You don't have to push heavy weights to gain muscle strength! It's not that I'm selling it or saying it's the only way to burn fat,
juukyuu 3 years ago
for some people it is the only way in their class because they go for more natural motions than the typical weight training machinery.(those only train big muscles). And when you mention vague expressions, I'm only saying it because they have a good atmosphere there, trust me I know from experience. So basically it's not the trend matter your referring to. I'm not saying that they these typical sentences, my friends are going there and they say it's different from the normal gym training.
juukyuu 3 years ago
It's still a trend unfortunately.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
That's using the term "strength" very liberally. Swinging kettlebells or dumbells is not really going to make you strong but will make you more powerful in using wholebody force.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
Sure, you will not break the squat world record by training only with kettlebells. But what's the point? How many other sports can brag about enabling their athletes to lift a 150 lbs db overhead, running a marathon or bending nails without any specific training? Developping strength endurance, will develop strength, not as much as a program strictly geared toward limit strength, with low sets, heavy weights, and lot of rest between sets, but it will work too...
3Rules4Europe 3 years ago
It needs a lot of dedicated and specific training to reach a triple bodyweight deadlift and to enter a powerlifting meet, but double bodyweight deadlifters are not rare at all among kettlebell lifters. And they get those results from training only with bells never weighing more than 30 to 40 % of their bodyweight, with high reps sets!... In most gyms across the world, you have more chances to find 16 inches biceps than double bw deadlifters.
3Rules4Europe 3 years ago
Last but not least, I understand the point you were making, about not mixing strength and endurance training to get maximal results in both : Pavel Tsatsouline says the same thing. But nothing prevents a kettlebell lifter to break his training into endurance and strength days, and I think they are more and more numerous to do so. Kb come in heavier sizes nowadays : do you know much people able to do a snatch from a platform or a front squat with a pair TRENDY 106 lbs kettlebells? :-)
3Rules4Europe 3 years ago
Once you do it enough you can snatch a heavy kettlebell. But speed training can only take you so far. Any tool can be used for slow and fast training. The kettlebell is being marketed as a magic pill, and kettlebells get a lot of attention because they're still pretty new here.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
No, sir, they don't... In fact they don't need to deadlift for what they have to do. Separating "speed" and "strength" training is a misconception. Strength is the ability to exert force and force = mass X acceleration. For the same force output, if you decrease the weight, the speed will be increased. As Rob Lawrence put it, you can go as fast as you can (with relatively light weights) as long as it doesn't compromise tension, and still generate an awesome strength output... and build strength.
3Rules4Europe 3 years ago
They probably use kettlebells as a supplement along with deadlifting.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
Then by that logic, training with dumbells should also give you ability to lift a 150lbs overhead, running marathons, and bending nails.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
Train with dumbells for high reps quick lifts, and you will soon miss your rotator cuff, and then you won't build much neither in the way of endurance, nor of strength. Maybe thick handled dumbell training could increase one's finger strength to the point of being able to do bending feats... But the kettlebell is still more complete. Finally, what is obvious from your writings is that you have never trained with kettlebells, otherwise you would know about what your are talking.
3Rules4Europe 3 years ago
I've had kettlebells since 2001. There good tools if used right but the marketing gimics that you see everywhere now give people the wrong ideas about them.
MagUalghairg1916 3 years ago
Man, wake up!... We live in a market economy, you can see marketing gimics everywhere, anytime. As you say, and that's gonna be my bottom line, kettlebells are good tools, but not the best ones. But as for any human endeavour, the best is the ennemy of the good...
3Rules4Europe 3 years ago
Awesome awesome awesome video, thanks Jon
hywelteague 4 years ago