Musica Antiqua - Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott

[GARS1632]

VIVAT GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS

[FRAGIORGIO1]

Besides the discussions, let us listen to this marvelous hymn which is sung not only by Lutherans but also by Catholics, for truly, God is our Mighty Fortress!

[jeshualivesforever]

@FRAGIORGIO1

If Catholic or Protestant or even an Atheist, God bless you!

[Filipe0costas]

Wonderful !

[jeshualivesforever]

Thank you Martin Luther, that you told the Truth! And you are so right, the roman Pope is really an Antichrist, 100% Non-Biblical, Non-Christian!

(Matthew 23:9 Jesus said: "And dont give anyone on earth the title 'father', for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.")

God bless you Martin Luther!

[affeno]

@jeshualivesforever "Nice" to get the words and give them the meaning you want. By the way, is this the description of a leader or of the beast itself? Behold, you might not agree but a little respect and tolerance with others' creed sometime won't do much harm. I'm a catholic, would never say the same of Luther himself.

[jeshualivesforever]

Jesus Christ himself called his disciples friends and not subordinates:

'Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. ' John 15:13-15

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever Yes, His 12 were His friends, but He set them as the bases of a New Israel with authority from Him and the Spirit to teach All He had commanded them to All nations. Obviously, they needed to extend their powers received to other elders and eventually deacons/ministers/servants. Paul sent Titus to straighten things out and to create "presbyters" or elders, who were leaders/governors of the Jewish synagogs and of Christian churches in the New Testament.

[jeshualivesforever]

@affeno

I dont want to harm you, but i want to tell the truth.

Papism is against the message of Jesus Christ:

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

'and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.' Matthew 23:8

[evola1944]

@jeshualivesforever extra Unam Sanctam Catholicam et Apostolicam Eccelsiam nulla salus, you sucker

[jeshualivesforever]

@evola1944

Aha you are Polski. At first, it is written Ecclesiam and not Eccelsiam and second:

Solus Christus - 'Now the Church is not wood and stone, but the company of believing people; one must hold to them, and see how they believe, live and teach; they surely have Christ in their midst. For outside of the Christian church there is no truth, no Christ, no salvation.', Martin Luther.

[evola1944]

@jeshualivesforever I'm sorry. It was stupid.

[jeshualivesforever]

@evola1944

No problem. God bless you!

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever And the Church is One, as Jesus prayed for asking the Father to make them one as He and the Father were One so that the world might believe that He had sent Him. There are 1,200,000,000 members now in the unity. The Church has greatly reformed from the sad and corrupt days of the 1500s. With the Agreement on Justification between Catholics and Lutherans another great step has been made. God willilng, we shall soon be reunited to show the world !

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@evola1944 Let us not call one another names who are under the same name of Christ.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever Jesus gave some the power of binding and loosing on earth and forgiving sins. Paul sent Titus (Titus 1:5-7) to all the cities of Crete and to correct what is wrong and make "presbyters" or elders, who were governors of the Jewish synagogs and the Christian churches. In Acts of Apostles, the council of Jerusalem acts with the authority of the apostles and presbyters/elders and speaks with the power of the Spirit.(Acts 15:22-28).

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever l But He made Shimon bar Yona the Rock of Unity on earth and the 12 He made the bases of the New Israel of God, and they passed on their powers to others to attend to their world-wide mission, and created presbyters/elders and deacons. In the early days, the presbyters were sometimes called episkopoi or bishops. As the Church became larger and more numerous the believers, the bishops headed the presbyters and deacons, and less than 100 years after Jesus.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever You are wrong, because Jesus did not say "spiritual" father. He said call no man father, so don't call your father, "father", right?

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever The word "papa" was not mentioned, by the word, so don't make up what is not there. Jesus is emphasizing the marvelous nature of God's Paternity, as in His prayer. Unfortunately, there are some Christians who want to call God "Jehovah", as if they were ancient Jews. Jesus revealed God as Father!

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@affeno Catholics and Lutherans have much in common, and the recent Agreement on Justification between the two groups is a historic attempt towards reunion. Luther would have rejoiced to have seen how different things are now. No more civil authorities mixed into Church (except a few places), no more worldly popes, the clergy better prepared and instructed in the Bible, the liturgical renewal, the much less superstition than in his day, Mass and singing in the people's language.

[DrKorn5]

@jeshualivesforever I believe you are in the wrong century...friggen biggoted prod.

[lotus49a]

@jeshualivesforever

You sir, are an idiot.

Martin Luther didn't say any of those things. Why don't you stop this sectarian nonsense and read a good book about the Reformation.

[jeshualivesforever]

@lotus49a

The Reformator Luther wrote in Schmalkalden Articles:

'That the Pope is not, according to divine law or according to the Word of God the head of all Christendom for this belongs to One only, whose name is Jesus Christ.

It is a human figment which is not commanded, and is unnecessary and useless; for the holy Christian Church can exist very well without such a head, and it would certainly have remained better if such a head had not been raised up by the devil.'

[jeshualivesforever]

'This teaching shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. '

and in 'o.t.b.c.o.t.c', he wrote: 'I now know of a certainty that the papacy is the kingdom of Babylon and the power of Nimrod the mighty hunter.'

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever This is certainly not Holy Scripture. Peter wrote from "Babylon", which was the name Christians used for pagan Rome, but Rome became Christian and the place where Peter and Paul preached and gave their lives. Irenaeus of Lyons (190 AD) said that the true doctrine can be found in the bishops successors of the apostles, especially in Rome, "founded by the glorious apostles Peter and Paul, with which church all others must agree".(Adversus. Haereses).

[jeshualivesforever]

@FRAGIORGIO1

Thats from Luther.

[lotus49a]

@jeshualivesforever

Furthermore, I might add:

καγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς.

[jeshualivesforever]

@lotus49a

you must read the context of this verse:

Matthew 16:16 'And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.'

18 'And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.' and in 23 'Jesus turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.'

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever Jesus changed Shimon's name to Rock (Kepha in Aramaic, which was translated into the masculine form in Greek, Petros, since Petra is feminine). The changing of a name is very important in the Bible. Notice John 21: 15-17 Jesus gets Peter to confess him 3 times to overcome his 3 denials, then says, "Feed my lambs, feed my sheep"..St. Irenaeus says of the Roman church "founded by the glorious apostles Peter and Paul and with which all others must agree".

[P1B1U1H1]

@FRAGIORGIO1 You think folks might learn, eventually, that 90% of the issues of the Reformation are now completely irrelevant? No Simony around these days, to the best of my knowledge. You heard of any lately? Also, the predestination stuff is a bit overblown. All you have to do is look at St. Vincent Ferrer's sermons to find out that.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever "Satan" means "adversary" and in this case Jesus shows Peter that he is opposing the plan of God with his worldly concept of a glorious Messiah.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever Actually, Jesus changed the name of Shimon bar Yona to Kepha, which means Rock in Aramaic, Jesus' language. It was translated into Greek as Petros, which is the masculine form of Petra (feminine for Rock). Jesus changed his name and said "Upon this Rock I shall build My Church and I shall give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth'" in heaven also.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever Therefore, the Eternal Rock in Heaven made Simon the Rock on earth to lead his Church (Matt 16"16) and He confirmed it after His resurrection saying "feed My lambs, feed My sheep" (John 21:15-17). The early Church was under the apostles and elders and was united as Jesus had prayed the Father for, as is seen in Acts of Apostles, one and only One Church that was universal (katholike in Greek). The sects are Satan's plan to divide believers.

[jeshualivesforever]

@FRAGIORGIO1

'The early Church was under the apostles and elders and was united...'

And so, why the great Schisma in 1054? Luther said that it was because the Bishop of Rome turned into Pope and wanted to rule all others. But the scriprures tell us in Luke 22:25 "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over the people; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves ‘Benefactors.’ But you are not to be like that." and in Matth 23:8 Jesus said, "all ye are brethren."

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever No, there were several issues. Some were political. The Greeks were angry at the establishment of a Holy Roman Empire of the German People by Otto the Great and previously by the pope's crowning of Charlemagne, because they thought that there should be only one emperor and that a Greek. Also some cultural differences, such as the West under Rome using unfermented bread, which the Greeks accused as being Judaizing. -Theological, such as -- - - -

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever Theological problems, such as the West adding the words "Filioque"= and the Son, to the procession of the Spirit in the Nicene Creed, as well as the addition of "God from God", which is certainly superfluous, since it is shortly followed by "True God of True God". The Greeks say that the Spirit proceeds from the Father "through the Son", but that is their theology that is Not in inserted in the Creed. Kairoulios was also jealous of Rome's preeminence.

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever There is also the question of Cardinal Humberto overstepping his role and excommunicating Patriarch Kairoulios, so the latter replied by excommunicating the pope. Nevertheless, it should be noted that the schism was not so permanent, since just a few decades later, the Byzantine emperor asked Pope Urban II for help in combatting the Muslim Turks, and the pope replied by exhorting western Christian kings, nobles, knights, and commoners to the 1st crusade

[FRAGIORGIO1]

@jeshualivesforever The Fourth Crusade at the beginning of the 13th century saw the western knights waiting in Constantinople while rival Byzantine pretenders to the throne fought amongst themselves. The rough westerners were not well received for the long time they waited there, and finally the Westerners took over Constantinople and the Eastern Empire, unfortunately, creating more animosity from the Greeks. Reunion was attempted at Lyons in 1274 and Florence 1443.

[Romy108]

This is the anthem of the Northwest American Republic

[womanwonder10]

@Romy108 Are you serious? Where is that located? Who does it share boundaries with? I think that is cool, if true!!

[maisseau]

Hello! Who is composer??

[ravilapieri]

@maisseau Martin Luther

[latercerapalabra]

Preciosooooooo

[archetheutis]

so weit ich weis hat

luther dieses lied auf der veste coburg

verfasst.