It's funny how many Christians seem to worship and idolize the founding fathers as demi-gods whose every word is dogma. I seem to recall a commandment against that sort of thing. Well, most don't follow the other nine, either.
"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
All 'contacts' written down are merely tools of deception to allow or force one human to believe it is indebted and/or enslaved to another. Be careful what you sign! Want to be free? Sign nothing! Agree to no contract! Follow no rules but your own! Scary, ehy?
It really isn't up for debate. The founding fathers believed in a god, but not the god of the bible. They believed in a powerful creator who really had no further intervention or cares about us. Most of them openly opposed the Bible.
The constitution deals with what is real. Not what was written by ignorant men in the bronze age. It is terrifying whenever any leader takes this stuff seriously on many levels.
Christianity had no part in the Constitution, and I am grateful.
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774 by James Madison
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -John Adams
"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven."?
US liberty is granted first by our Creator at birth & only recognized & upheld by the US Constitution as a birth-right as such. Why, because if mere men or documents alone granted you liberty only a mere man or document can take it away! This distinction of American Liberty is why All men are created equal, evolution surly does not teach this but Christianity does. The basic notion of American liberty & freedom for All is endowed by our Creator & historically a non-secular view. See D. of Indep!
@WILLTHEWGMAN Those rights were given to us by the Founding Fathers who were Deists, Rosicrucian, and Freemason trying to escape the rule of the church. They had much more in common with me and my fellow wiccans and pagans than any of you Bible believers. The rights we are guaranteed include our right to worship the divine in whatever form we wish, or to not worship at all; and still all stand as equals
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This was & is our forefathers' claim, they gave us our rights by defining from wince our birth-rights of liberty & the US Constitution are derived. Rights in which no man or men are able to take away because we are "endowed by our Creator" with such rights.
@WILLTHEWGMAN And? That Creator could be God, Gaia, Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the natural process of evolution. It's that we're all human beings that gives us our Rights, whatever our origins may be
Religious people are just like all the rewrites of the bible (and every bible is a rewrite from a grapevine story)....... They twist everything around so it meets their agenda and omit everything else.
Article 2 gives us the Sunday acceptance Clause.proves the Christianity started the Constitution, because no other religion has the Sabbath on a Sunday. This was confirmed by, Courts through out America and held as a standard by the Supreme Court. The reason for the separation of powers was because at the Convention, George Washington and Alexander Hamilton confirmed it was read out loud from the Bible Jeremiah 17 verse 9 and 10.
@LambLion777 Article 2 gives us the executive branch. It doesn't explicitly say anything about a sabbath,rather, it said : If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
@Senoska Sunday clause is recognized by the Supreme Court many times in the system. Sorry, the Court Justices are not ignorant. They are smarter than you and more qualified to understand the Constitution
interpretation. Well honored by the Presidents and their parties. There is no jump it is in your face. Just like the dates of our Lord.
Government can not interfere in your religious stuff, and your religious beliefs are not allowed to be used as a basis for what the government does. Its simple, but people still try to butt fuck their religion into the government's ass!
I am a proud christian, but i understand why there should be expression of religion, and non-religion. and I also understand why government and religion should not be put together. Thank you for putting common sense on this web page.
@Shadowfan1233 . you are a mislead christian, we refer to the founding documents of this nation their are 3 , the word "Congress"shall make ... it refers to the fedral gov we are the united "states" states can and do make laws about religion. you must do more research my christian friend .. try David Barton... you are being used , by powers that have an agenda to destroy this country"in God we trust" that is our nations motto!read your bible by the way thomas Jefferson was a real christian
no atheist or secular group attempting to ban Christianity from American society?? wrong! atheist/secularist are the reason why prayer in public schools has been banned. just one example of many!
@ruddip Public school is not American Society. Public school is a state run learning facility. No one is trying to ban private religious schools from practicing their religion. The separation of church and state is not a banishment of religion from society it is the ultimate protection that religion of choice can even exist.
American Christianity, as it exists today, only does because The United States Constitution gave them the right to. The Church of England and the Crown sure didn't.
@ruddipSarcasm is fine but yes, it used to be allowed in school and then through court actions which then interpreted the constitution, it was then banned. They also banned slavery after the fact. No one is stopping you from praying at home, or in the car or after school. No one is stopping you from taking a moment and praying in school on your own. (Would be illegal) What they banned was the school officially setting aside time in the classroom for prayer so that it's not government sanctioned
@ruddip If it was a public school and there was specific time set aside for it, then yes it was government sanctioned. Which is why the time set aside for it was removed. No one ever said that a religious person could not take a moment to them self and do it on their own. All they did was remove the states involvement in the practice.
Forcing a moment of prayer upon the other students in the same class room is as immoral as saying you may not engage in it. It is not equal freedom.
@ztztzyzy Abraham Lincoln God had nothing do with america before 1854. The Declaration of independence was a speech not a constitutional law or agreement. You are forgiven all republitards try to make it so.
@carnypimp you mean, demotard? like you, perhaps? i am NOT republican, i hated bush and agree that gore should have sat in office. of all the states that could have a recount done, it just had to be florida where good ol' boy jeb (jeb?) was governor. "separation of church and state" is also NOT found in the constitution. if you study history, puritans (christians) landed here on the mayflower, i think God did have something to do with america BEFORE 1854, wouldn't you say?
@ztztzyzy Here we go it says Amendment 1 congress shall make no law respecting the "establishment of religion' that is pretty damn clear and you can't comprehind. No God only had to do with those who believed in him not the United States. i don't hate christians just hate those who believe everyone in the country has to be one to be american. A opinion is one thing but to make it it law is very unamerican.
A few theists would point to the quote "everyone was created equal" as proof that the founding fathers wanted church and state together. The problem is that The Constitution was written BEFORE Darwin's Origin of species so there really wasn't any other choice. Another thing is that Religions separate people by saying that they (one religion) is better than the rest and will go to heaven while the others (different religions) will go to hell.
The States were scared that some one would impose THEIR religion upon them. The founders were wise enough to know that though "You" are clearly in possession of the Truth, 'Other' people could try to force you to follow their way
Before bringing religion into government consider what happens when the religion in is the wrong one. Will Baptists be made to go to Catholic Mass? Must Catholics renounce the Pope to be loyal Americans?
True Faith Serves God not Government! Politicians toxicify Faith.
158 on the clock, They dont wish to eliminate religion from society, The people chose to pay for the 10 commandments at an alabama courthouse, (NCAAP) forced it to court, had it removed. Crosses on PRIVATE PROPERTY Overlooking Freeway -yep you guessed it, forced to be removed.-Atheist (non-custodial parent) vs school district lost in SF area for Pledge (but they attempted to remove it) Student led prayer-(lost based on free access law) but they attempted to remove it
When it comes to anyones own personal beliefs, does it really matter what any religious scripture, document, or historical figure regardless of time period says? I believe in reincarnation and guess what... You don't have to believe in it if you don't. You can't even force yourselves to believe something if you don't believe it. How is it possible for anyone else to force you?
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were created equal, and endowed by the creator with unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Who do you think the creator is?? DUH!
Someone who has no respect for others or life itself to think we just fell here and this perfect wrold was created by accident with an ecosystem that depends on itself to survive and a human body with a brain like owrs which can reason and understand like no other animal on the planet, it will require a very narrow headed individual to beleive anything other that this, we are all created equal in the yes of God and since you dont beleive in God i think you shall not be treated as equals!!!!!
@Jxtreeme1 so your saying if we dont believe what you believe we should not be equals? Thats the same mentality slave owners had when they decided that if someone doesn't have the same skin color as them they are lesser beings. your a fucking moron. Its the ones who think they are better than others due to religion, race,etc that are actually the inferior ones
@scarhead1698 No morron I am saying we all are equally by that I mean the same way not that you are same as others, animals do not know that and most will kill eachother for unknown reason, and most humans do enslave animals. We are not an accident of nature or an evovled spicie we are not!!!!
@BayAreaAtheist i wonder if you can tell me were we all come from th fact that you have not been fortunate in this world does not mean there is no God for what you do here you will pay here and the perfect compas of nautre can be made by any man right mmmmm, well if you think you evoluted from a mokey then you shal be caged, lol
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
it seems to me the the first few amendments were the most important to them thats why they bunched them all together and puting the second amendment by itself to stand vigilant guard over the first Amendmendment ,, you think????
The 1st Amendment makes it very clear: The freedom to worship as one pleases can not be abrogated. But, giving preference to any one denomination is prohibited. Some people place government as their religion, others find this repulsive.
and in conclusion I would add that churches have become vast empires of wealth and property ownership and as soon as those churches see members of there church who may be gay or believe in equal marriage for all going to other churches more willing to see what is just and right and begin seeing there bank accounts empty they will suddenly see the light and begin to marry same sex couples. don't believe me? look around, its already happening. you have no more right to be than me. just my thoughts
Good video and I respect your opinions. however, I think it is clear what the founding fathers intended in the "separation of church and state" and that is to prevent any so called majority of citizens in this case christian believers from imposing there beliefs onto the remainder of citizens who do not believe all aspects of the religious faith. protecting the minority from the majority and creating equality is what its all about.
Great video! People of any faith should be thankful that religion is separate from government lest one organization rises up to condemn and control the others.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the Congress from making laws "respecting any establishment of religion" and from "prohibiting the free exercise of religion".
"among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them" AND "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
Our Founding Fathers where Deists who believed in a Solitary God from which comes the philosophy that man is more than animal. We as humans must attain our god given potential by refusing all depravity.
The founding father's sole argument for morality was the supreme being who is God. I think today morality still seems like one of the greatest arguments for the existance of God, Kant used God as a logical axiom in ethical objective morality.
Amendment a "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF..." excluding atheism is prohibiting the free exercise thereof. It's like free speech. You have freedom of speech which give you the right to say what you like ALONG with the right to not say anything at all.
Message to all those who call themselves atheists... you aren't. Atheist means not theist. The views of "atheists" are not so simple as to say you just aren't a theist.
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were created equal, and endowed by the CREATOR with unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Furthermore, Atheists were ecluded from the social contract theory by John Locke, Locke said we shouldn't tolerate Atheists. There is also nothing in the Constitution about toleration towards ATheists, freedom to exercise religion. Atheism=/= Religion.
@ogirv101 The Declaration if Independence has no baring on law, nor does John Locke. And I agree, Atheism isn't a religion but rather a lack there of. Being able to have free religion obviously implys a lack of religion as well.
Freedom of religion doesn't include atheism, now you're interpreting law into your own way, the intent of the forefathers was to end an establishing of church and state like in England and Italy, and the protection of smaller religious groups like meddonites, Muslims, and Jews. In no way does it give rights to Atheists.
@Senoska No baring . . . hardly. Though it is not law, it does have bea. But original intent is a valid interpretation of Const. And to that the Court looks towards all sorts of historical documents, declaration of Independence included.
@ogirv101 You say Creator in terms of a personal god? This word is used i think because the founding fathers were deists who believe we were created but God does not mettle in personal lives.
No, not a personal god. If it were a personal god, then it wouldn't be constitutional. And only two of our founding fathers were Deists... out of the 52 who framed the constitution. Frankling and Jefferson were the only ones. The rest were Christians.
@ogirv101 Which creator should that be? Muhammad? YHWY? Mbombo? Notice Jesus isn't mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. The separation of church and state protects your religion and protects the rest of us from your religion.
@ogirv101 The quotes you are speaking of are all speeches read from people not laws what the fuck is wrong with you! The Decluration of independence is not a constitution it is a victory speech! Amendment 1 protects non belivers and believers but I know you got more BS to throw out there. I'm sorry that you have such a religion where you think that everyone should worshop it cause it is not so.
Senoska, no I'm Sorry. The First Amendment means exactly what it says not more and not less. What you want is for Congress and the Courts to VIOLATE the First Amendment by creating laws that PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. That is what you are about, you are no defender the First Amendment. You are in fact a domestic enemy of the U.S. Constitution and should be handled as such.
The founding fathers used to hold church services in the Capital building every sunday morning and sunday eveing for decades... We are a Christian Nation , Under God... In God We Trust... If you are a good christian you will be a good citizen...
If people were good Christians we wouldn't have slavery, The Crusades, discrimination against race or sexuality, the Holocaust and many wars under the name of God.
Just because you are Christian and follow God does NOT make you a good person.. and vice-versa for atheists.
thanks! i am tired of hearing so much 'false witness' professed by folks... who want to post the ten commandments on public property... it is sad and ironic.... we don't need their god inflicted on us....
It is simple folks. Separation of church and state to preserve both the church and the state.
What it all reduces to in the end are fanatical religious groups wanting control over the government. Essentially a theocracy. Period. Paragraph. This whole issue is pointless.
Hey religious people, good luck when the government tells you what to worship and where. ENJOY!
BTW, no one cares what you worship so stop pretending to be a minority or oppressed.
Great comment biped19. Those who are against separation of church would be the first ones to argue for it if they were under a theocracy of a religion different from their own. And, sadly, most people that are against it don't seem to get that the principle is "separation" and is not anti-religion.
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
There is a difference between separation of church and state and anti- or pro-religiosity. Man people confuse the two.
[Some assert that our Judeo-Christian origins stem from the Pilgrims/Puritans. They didn't found this country, but if they're seen as part of our heritage, it must be noted that, although they were deists, they were separatists. They felt that religion and civil authority should not be intertwined. That's why they came. Too bad they were guilty of the same thing on this shore.]
The Pilgrims were not Deists. They were thorough Calvinists. The name separatist was applied to them because they separated themselves from the Church of England because it wasn't Calvinist enough for them.They immigrated to America to found there own Christian Republic, employing the Bible as their legal code. They by no means beleived religion and government should be separate, they just didn't like the religion of the Church of England. Google "Mayflower Compact"
Just because you want God out, doesn't mean is not in the constitution, for your information The US Constitution Is Based In The Word Of God, namely, The Bible!
Hmmm. The Enlightenment, a shift from religious dogma and monarchical oppression to individual rights, liberty, and reason had nothing to do with it? Doc's like the VA Const., Art. of Conf., English Bill of Rights, Magna Carta, etc. were not drawn from? Locke, Montesquieu, other philosophers incl ancient Greeks had no influence? A 3-branched govt. w/cks & bal's is Biblical? Ge, knowledge based on documented history and understanding based on rational thought must be wrong.
I would like to point out that Jefferson was not involved in the writing of the Constitution, but it should be noted that when the Constitution was ratified, 5 states has state religions, and that while Jefferson was President, he attended Church at the Capitol. The real problem lies when all refrences to God are being forced out of society, with thE Pledge, ten commandments, etc.
And yet you have the First Amendment... "or prohibiting the free expression thereof..." Jefferson's Wall of Separation is a wall AGAINST Congress ONLY... for folk to "establish" a religious order they'd have to be in Congress first, and once there they are automatically prohibited from making pro OR CON religious laws. So the laws about religion are ALL un-Constitutional.
While you are right, other documents such as the declaration of independence recognize a "creator" and/or "God". I think it's fair to say that our nation was founded under the belief in a "creator" of some sort, otherwise it would be just silly to claim anything otherwise. However, that isn't to say that it was founded as a christian nation anything else for that matter.
It's NOT fair to say that the U.S. was founded "under" the belief in a creator. Why? Because the Constitution is the law of the land and God was left out of that document, intentionally.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - Declaration of Independence
This was the beginning, and quite frankly, the declaration of our country's very existence. Sure, you can believe what you want...that is freedom, but in the beginning, the rights you enjoy were believed to have been given by a "creator" or a "god".
Are you serious? HAHAHA!!! The constitution is the law of the land, the declaration of independence was the initial founding document, declaring this nation's very existence. I think that the constitution does not mention God or Creator for the very reason we have the 1st amendment, freedom to believe what you want. It has absolutely no place in law of any sort. Quite irrelevant to the discussion though. The founding fathers statement you made is for another discussion...very long one too.
You said earlier: "the rights you enjoy were believed to have been given by a "creator" or a "god".
Believed by whom and why should anyone care? Again, many Founders didn't believe such nonsense.
And though it's true that some Founders believed in a creator, THEY LEFT IT OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION. If the Founders had intended for the country to be "founded" on a religion, they would have mentioned it in the Constitution.
Your 2nd and 3rd sentences show your bias. It is quite humorous I might add.
I never said that the country was founded on any religion. Also, the constitution is irrelevant in this instance, as it is referring to government limitations and not the actual founding of this country.
You're pretty good at showing your bias, paying no attention to what I say, and taking what I say out of context or completely putting words in my mouth. The debate of religion should be taken to another discussion
Funny, in the quote you referenced, I do not see "sky god" anywhere. I'm sort of missing how you're even attempting to debate this. It isn't really debatable, nor do I see why you are so insistent about attempting to "prove whoever wrong" about this. As long as you have the freedom to believe what you want, what does it really matter what the origins of the country was? I understand that you're an atheist, but shit...give it up already. Read the declaration of Independence.
It isn't debatable? You must think that's convenient.
The fact that the Declaration references a "creator" doesn't mean that the U.S. was founded "under" an imaginary being. The fact that the writer of the document was a deist doesn't mean that he intended to make that assumption for everyone. That would have been totally against the philosophy of Jefferson. The Declaration isn't the law...the Constitution is and of course that's why they left god nonsense out of it.
Wow. Well, it's been fun and all but I'm not going to argue with someone with such a tremendous bias who is apparently stuck in denial and willing to remain ignorant. Words repeatedly used like "imaginary" and "nonsense" prove you're too biased to have an intelligent debate about this subject. While I will admit, your stance and determination are both very comical. Yes...there is no infinite being. The universe came from nothing. (sarcasm)
Also, your 3rd statement asks if I am asserting anything about the way the country "is", which is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The discussion (refer to my first comments) was about the country in the beginning stages.
As far as my personal belief (since you're so insistent on knowing what I think/believe), I think it's silly to believe that there is not some form of infinite being who created everything in the universe.
The sentiment is that there should be basic rights, but peoples have historically asserted that a god supports their positions (though it doesn't make it so). Additionally, the term creator was not unilaterally perceived. To some, it was nature. , as not all deists, then and now, perceive God as the Abrahamic God.
Really? You think that NonWordly's comment that the Constitution is based on the Bible doesn't matter? Well, on one hand, I see your point. It is an irrelevant issue in that it was not based on the Bible. The Constitution being misperceived, though, is indeed a noteworthy issue to many.
Doesn't this make you a fundamental dogmatic anti-religion...ist.... I obviously made this video to promote freedom for all sides, and attitudes like your own hinder that cause be it on the religious or atheist side. Perhaps that comment is one that you should have kept to yourself.
I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other."
Jefferson believed himself to be a Christian. Anyone who says he was a deist is calling him a liar.
That quote, of course, is taken out of context. I could say the same thing about Buddha, yet I'm not a Buddhist in any religious sense. Jefferson admired some of Jesus's teachings but he didn't think he was a god.
If you say that you can be a "Christian" without believing in the divinity of Christ, then I'd say that you're an admirer of a warped philosophy, not a religion. No one is perfect.
a christian is sombody who believes Jesus is God the trinity is not debatable when it comes to christianity! im saying sombody cannot be a christian who denys the divinity of Jesus1 and the bible says so also! please read it some more...stop spreading ignorance! fine if you are not a christian...but do not speak of things you know little about.
Thomas Jefferson once called himself a "Christian" and he didn't believe in the divinity of Christ. Clearly, not everyone believes the same as YOU would demand.
"but do not speak of things you know little about." I'll wager that I know the bible better than you.
"look up the fudemental beliefs of christianity, and you will see i was only stating a fact!" LOL, where should I look it up? There are thousands of Christian denominations.
"The Devil also knows every word in the bible...doesnt he?" Sigh...the devil is MAKE BELIEVE.
yup the devils greatest deception...he wants you to think he is not real!
look up 100 of them then! you will see the trinity is key! i may not agree with you....but i would fight to the death with you to speak your mind! have a great weekend!
Why do you think you are intelligent, educated, and rational?
I was making no threat...why did you take it as a threat is the real question! It was a comment. When you meet him..tell him he isn't real, suggestion was all it is! you tell him whatever you want ok bud!
"Why do you think you are intelligent, educated, and rational?" Compared to you? Well, for starters, I don't believe that virgins give birth, dead people can be resurrected or that Jews can fly. You are in no position to question my intelligence, education or rationality.
Yes, that is a threat. You were saying basically this: "You better believe in MY god, because if you don't you'll be very sorry" Again, lame threats don't impress rational people.
didnt say you would be sorry...in fact i think A PERSON LIKE YOU WOULD BE QUITE CONFORTABLE IN HELL...YOU FOR SURE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE AROUND ALL OF US PIECE OF SHIT CHRISTIANS IN HEAVEN! NO THREAT DUDE...ITS JUST COMMAN SENCE....I BELIEVE IN GOD YUP JUST LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE HUMANS WALKEN ON THE EARTH...SO LUMP IT JEREMY
Actually, I'm glad that heaven isn't real...a celestial North Korea. A place where you must eternally worship the Slavemaster and you can be convicted of "thought crimes." No thanks. I'd rather rot.
No, your silly, utopian, eternal paradise fantasies are not common sense.
"BELIEVE IN GOD YUP JUST LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE HUMANS WALKEN ON THE EARTH" The majority of people don't believe in YOUR god. There are thousands of "gods." They're all make believe, of course.
Jeremyguru: Thomas Jefferson;"My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself."
Don't start quote-mining Jefferson. He was not a Christian and said so numerous times. He denied the divinity of Jesus, miracles and all other supernatural hocus pocus in the bible.
Three times Jefferson signed extensions of another measure described as "An Act? regulating the grants of land appropriated for Military services and for the Society of the United Brethren for propagating the Gospel among the Heathen."
jeremyguru: Jefferson created the image of the wall in order to reassure the Baptists that government would never interfere with their religious life, but he never suggested that religion would have no role in government. In 1803, in fact, Jefferson recommended to Congress the approval of a treaty that provided government funds to support a Catholic priest in ministering to the Kaskaskia Indians.
Which god? Show me a state constitution that mentions Yahweh, Jesus or Christianity.
The First Amendment is very clear that there will be no state sponsored religion. The Constitution also states that there will be no religious test for public office. Clearly, the Founders did not set up a theocracy.
The founding document is the Constitution. It's the law of land. It sets up the goverment. Again, there's no mention of Yahweh, Jesus or Christianity in that document.
For that matter, there's no mention of Yahweh, Jesus or Christianity in the Declaration. Jefferson, among many Founders, was a deist.
"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States [10th Amendment]."
Jefferson viewed the "wall" as limiting the federal government from "intermeddling" in church government, as explained in his letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808
The Founders were deeply influenced by a biblical view of man and government. With a sober understanding of the fallenness of man, they devised a system of limited authority and checks and balances.
The members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
A study by the American Political Science Review on the political documents of the founding era (1760-1805), [reported] that 94 percent of the periods documents were based on the Bible, with 34 percent of the contents being direct citations from the Bible. The Scripture was the bedrock and blueprint of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, academic arenas and heritage until the last quarter of a century.
If the ACLU is trying to "ban God" why do they also respresent religious people, including Christians? They often organize lawsuits in favor of Christians when their rights are being violated.
The Declaration of Independence has NOTHING to do with the organization of our government. The CONSTITUTION is the law of the land. Why is there no mention of Jesus, Yahweh or Christianity in the Constitution?
Jefferson was a deist. When he wrote about the "creator" he wasn't talking about the Christian god. How does that make you feel?
YES! Thank you so, so much for clearing this up! Finally I can practice my religion freely without fear of persecution. All hail the great Spaghetti Monster floating high in his mighty cloud!!
It's sad Christians are still claiming the U.S was founded upon Christianity and is a Christian nation.
They never seem to be able to answer that, if we were founded on Christianity and intended to be a Christian nation, why is "God", "Jesus", "Christianity", etc.. not mentioned once in the constitution. Considering the constitution is foundation of all law and government in the United States, seems like the founding fathers would mention one of those things...
Okay, so expand on this a little because I'm not sure I get the gripe. The problem is government establishment of religion, yes? I mean, thanks but no thanks on the Holy Roman Chruch.
However, the foundational documents are Dec. of Independance, Constitution and Bill of Rights (Amendments). The DOI does say Nature's God and Creator; Constitution says the people ordain..; BOR is written with commandment flair (shall not, shall not).
I prefer natural rights/golden rule/10 command. ????
It's funny how many Christians seem to worship and idolize the founding fathers as demi-gods whose every word is dogma. I seem to recall a commandment against that sort of thing. Well, most don't follow the other nine, either.
"There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross."
Kerberoz01 4 months ago
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 7 months ago
All 'contacts' written down are merely tools of deception to allow or force one human to believe it is indebted and/or enslaved to another. Be careful what you sign! Want to be free? Sign nothing! Agree to no contract! Follow no rules but your own! Scary, ehy?
Itsmeeman1 9 months ago
It really isn't up for debate. The founding fathers believed in a god, but not the god of the bible. They believed in a powerful creator who really had no further intervention or cares about us. Most of them openly opposed the Bible.
The constitution deals with what is real. Not what was written by ignorant men in the bronze age. It is terrifying whenever any leader takes this stuff seriously on many levels.
Christianity had no part in the Constitution, and I am grateful.
NemX162 1 year ago
@NemX162 Acually a few of the founding fathers were very open atheists. not agnostics.
biohazard93808 1 year ago
@biohazard93808
LOL BS.
Name one.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774 by James Madison
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -John Adams
I can go on and on
biohazard93808 11 months ago
@biohazard93808
Is that the same Madison who wrote:
"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven."?
ivlfounder 11 months ago
US liberty is granted first by our Creator at birth & only recognized & upheld by the US Constitution as a birth-right as such. Why, because if mere men or documents alone granted you liberty only a mere man or document can take it away! This distinction of American Liberty is why All men are created equal, evolution surly does not teach this but Christianity does. The basic notion of American liberty & freedom for All is endowed by our Creator & historically a non-secular view. See D. of Indep!
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Those rights were given to us by the Founding Fathers who were Deists, Rosicrucian, and Freemason trying to escape the rule of the church. They had much more in common with me and my fellow wiccans and pagans than any of you Bible believers. The rights we are guaranteed include our right to worship the divine in whatever form we wish, or to not worship at all; and still all stand as equals
sammyhain13 1 year ago
@sammyhain13
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This was & is our forefathers' claim, they gave us our rights by defining from wince our birth-rights of liberty & the US Constitution are derived. Rights in which no man or men are able to take away because we are "endowed by our Creator" with such rights.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN And? That Creator could be God, Gaia, Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the natural process of evolution. It's that we're all human beings that gives us our Rights, whatever our origins may be
sammyhain13 1 year ago
Religious people are just like all the rewrites of the bible (and every bible is a rewrite from a grapevine story)....... They twist everything around so it meets their agenda and omit everything else.
stlchucko 1 year ago
Nice. But..... DEATH NOTE MUSIC IN THE BACK ROUND!!!!! .....What's the song called? Please tell!!!!
TruthIsNeverACliche 1 year ago
Article 2 gives us the Sunday acceptance Clause.proves the Christianity started the Constitution, because no other religion has the Sabbath on a Sunday. This was confirmed by, Courts through out America and held as a standard by the Supreme Court. The reason for the separation of powers was because at the Convention, George Washington and Alexander Hamilton confirmed it was read out loud from the Bible Jeremiah 17 verse 9 and 10.
LambLion777 1 year ago
@LambLion777 Article 2 gives us the executive branch. It doesn't explicitly say anything about a sabbath,rather, it said : If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
You're jumping to conclusions.
Senoska 1 year ago 9
@Senoska Sunday clause is recognized by the Supreme Court many times in the system. Sorry, the Court Justices are not ignorant. They are smarter than you and more qualified to understand the Constitution
interpretation. Well honored by the Presidents and their parties. There is no jump it is in your face. Just like the dates of our Lord.
LambLion777 1 year ago
Government can not interfere in your religious stuff, and your religious beliefs are not allowed to be used as a basis for what the government does. Its simple, but people still try to butt fuck their religion into the government's ass!
JACEH123 1 year ago 2
@JACEH123 Because of FOX NEWS and if Obama really wanted to be an ass he could ban fox news because they fund the GOP!
carnypimp 1 year ago
THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT!
I am a proud christian, but i understand why there should be expression of religion, and non-religion. and I also understand why government and religion should not be put together. Thank you for putting common sense on this web page.
Shadowfan1233 1 year ago
@Shadowfan1233 . you are a mislead christian, we refer to the founding documents of this nation their are 3 , the word "Congress"shall make ... it refers to the fedral gov we are the united "states" states can and do make laws about religion. you must do more research my christian friend .. try David Barton... you are being used , by powers that have an agenda to destroy this country"in God we trust" that is our nations motto!read your bible by the way thomas Jefferson was a real christian
1234aragon 1 year ago
i HEARD that tune in the background o ya DEATH NOTE!
animefreak873 1 year ago 2
no atheist or secular group attempting to ban Christianity from American society?? wrong! atheist/secularist are the reason why prayer in public schools has been banned. just one example of many!
ruddip 1 year ago
@ruddip Public school is not American Society. Public school is a state run learning facility. No one is trying to ban private religious schools from practicing their religion. The separation of church and state is not a banishment of religion from society it is the ultimate protection that religion of choice can even exist.
American Christianity, as it exists today, only does because The United States Constitution gave them the right to. The Church of England and the Crown sure didn't.
thechurchofdave 1 year ago
@thechurchofdave so the separation of church and state is what keeps prayer from being allowed in public schools?? have i been deceived then?
prayer was allowed in public schools long ago before it was finally banned....or was i wrong?? (sarcasm)
secularists and atheists are the reason why prayer has been banned.
ruddip 1 year ago
@ruddipSarcasm is fine but yes, it used to be allowed in school and then through court actions which then interpreted the constitution, it was then banned. They also banned slavery after the fact. No one is stopping you from praying at home, or in the car or after school. No one is stopping you from taking a moment and praying in school on your own. (Would be illegal) What they banned was the school officially setting aside time in the classroom for prayer so that it's not government sanctioned
thechurchofdave 1 year ago
@thechurchofdave It was never allowed just people finally got feed up with it and used the constitution as it was sense the beggining.
carnypimp 1 year ago
@thechurchofdave was prayer in school gov't sanctioned?
ruddip 1 year ago
@ruddip If it was a public school and there was specific time set aside for it, then yes it was government sanctioned. Which is why the time set aside for it was removed. No one ever said that a religious person could not take a moment to them self and do it on their own. All they did was remove the states involvement in the practice.
Forcing a moment of prayer upon the other students in the same class room is as immoral as saying you may not engage in it. It is not equal freedom.
thechurchofdave 1 year ago 2
@ruddip Prayer in school was put in by people who ignored the constitution like Lincolin!
carnypimp 1 year ago
@carnypimp lincolin?? mind telling us who That was?? ducluration (sic)?? what's that?? please define these BEFORE commentin, wil ya?
ztztzyzy 7 months ago
@ztztzyzy Abraham Lincoln God had nothing do with america before 1854. The Declaration of independence was a speech not a constitutional law or agreement. You are forgiven all republitards try to make it so.
carnypimp 7 months ago
@carnypimp you mean, demotard? like you, perhaps? i am NOT republican, i hated bush and agree that gore should have sat in office. of all the states that could have a recount done, it just had to be florida where good ol' boy jeb (jeb?) was governor. "separation of church and state" is also NOT found in the constitution. if you study history, puritans (christians) landed here on the mayflower, i think God did have something to do with america BEFORE 1854, wouldn't you say?
ztztzyzy 7 months ago
@ztztzyzy Here we go it says Amendment 1 congress shall make no law respecting the "establishment of religion' that is pretty damn clear and you can't comprehind. No God only had to do with those who believed in him not the United States. i don't hate christians just hate those who believe everyone in the country has to be one to be american. A opinion is one thing but to make it it law is very unamerican.
carnypimp 7 months ago
@thechurchofdave thx for the insight. i probably could've googled that. but i see what you're saying.
ruddip 1 year ago
A few theists would point to the quote "everyone was created equal" as proof that the founding fathers wanted church and state together. The problem is that The Constitution was written BEFORE Darwin's Origin of species so there really wasn't any other choice. Another thing is that Religions separate people by saying that they (one religion) is better than the rest and will go to heaven while the others (different religions) will go to hell.
alienisuntverus 1 year ago
the aclu is trying to ban all traces of Christianity
msqtube 1 year ago
The States were scared that some one would impose THEIR religion upon them. The founders were wise enough to know that though "You" are clearly in possession of the Truth, 'Other' people could try to force you to follow their way
Before bringing religion into government consider what happens when the religion in is the wrong one. Will Baptists be made to go to Catholic Mass? Must Catholics renounce the Pope to be loyal Americans?
True Faith Serves God not Government! Politicians toxicify Faith.
auraofgloom 1 year ago
158 on the clock, They dont wish to eliminate religion from society, The people chose to pay for the 10 commandments at an alabama courthouse, (NCAAP) forced it to court, had it removed. Crosses on PRIVATE PROPERTY Overlooking Freeway -yep you guessed it, forced to be removed.-Atheist (non-custodial parent) vs school district lost in SF area for Pledge (but they attempted to remove it) Student led prayer-(lost based on free access law) but they attempted to remove it
juplai 1 year ago
When it comes to anyones own personal beliefs, does it really matter what any religious scripture, document, or historical figure regardless of time period says? I believe in reincarnation and guess what... You don't have to believe in it if you don't. You can't even force yourselves to believe something if you don't believe it. How is it possible for anyone else to force you?
RCon25 1 year ago
sounds like death note music in the background.
knightxtx 1 year ago
nice vid
in order to have freedom of religion we must have freedom FROM religion.
KickYouInTheThroat 1 year ago
The only thing our leaders should apply from the Bible to Goverment is, Morale Fiber.
g13ishop 1 year ago
The thing is that atheists, do not wish to destroy Christianity.
However, it seems that Christianity wishes to destroy not just atheism, but anything else.
BurzumiyaMusic 1 year ago
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were created equal, and endowed by the creator with unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Who do you think the creator is?? DUH!
rosuabsc 1 year ago
Someone who has no respect for others or life itself to think we just fell here and this perfect wrold was created by accident with an ecosystem that depends on itself to survive and a human body with a brain like owrs which can reason and understand like no other animal on the planet, it will require a very narrow headed individual to beleive anything other that this, we are all created equal in the yes of God and since you dont beleive in God i think you shall not be treated as equals!!!!!
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
@Jxtreeme1 so your saying if we dont believe what you believe we should not be equals? Thats the same mentality slave owners had when they decided that if someone doesn't have the same skin color as them they are lesser beings. your a fucking moron. Its the ones who think they are better than others due to religion, race,etc that are actually the inferior ones
scarhead1698 1 year ago
@scarhead1698 No morron I am saying we all are equally by that I mean the same way not that you are same as others, animals do not know that and most will kill eachother for unknown reason, and most humans do enslave animals. We are not an accident of nature or an evovled spicie we are not!!!!
Jxtreeme1 9 months ago
@BayAreaAtheist i wonder if you can tell me were we all come from th fact that you have not been fortunate in this world does not mean there is no God for what you do here you will pay here and the perfect compas of nautre can be made by any man right mmmmm, well if you think you evoluted from a mokey then you shal be caged, lol
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
belipo 2 years ago
it seems to me the the first few amendments were the most important to them thats why they bunched them all together and puting the second amendment by itself to stand vigilant guard over the first Amendmendment ,, you think????
jhunted7667 2 years ago
Religion + Government = Abuse of Power
amorphousguy 2 years ago 20
@amorphousguy ya the country is doing so well with the formal of seculor ideals + goverment= tryanny
fredhaslitt1960 2 years ago
Um... our Constitution is a Secular Document... As are our laws.
keiryuujin 2 years ago
The 1st Amendment makes it very clear: The freedom to worship as one pleases can not be abrogated. But, giving preference to any one denomination is prohibited. Some people place government as their religion, others find this repulsive.
terrafirma91 2 years ago
Christianity of the Bible demands such a separation.
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago 12
and in conclusion I would add that churches have become vast empires of wealth and property ownership and as soon as those churches see members of there church who may be gay or believe in equal marriage for all going to other churches more willing to see what is just and right and begin seeing there bank accounts empty they will suddenly see the light and begin to marry same sex couples. don't believe me? look around, its already happening. you have no more right to be than me. just my thoughts
dannyp1975 2 years ago
Good video and I respect your opinions. however, I think it is clear what the founding fathers intended in the "separation of church and state" and that is to prevent any so called majority of citizens in this case christian believers from imposing there beliefs onto the remainder of citizens who do not believe all aspects of the religious faith. protecting the minority from the majority and creating equality is what its all about.
dannyp1975 2 years ago
Great video! People of any faith should be thankful that religion is separate from government lest one organization rises up to condemn and control the others.
AtomicBobBomb 2 years ago
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the Congress from making laws "respecting any establishment of religion" and from "prohibiting the free exercise of religion".
Senoska is a Lier !!!
RealHistory101 2 years ago
"among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them" AND "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
Our Founding Fathers where Deists who believed in a Solitary God from which comes the philosophy that man is more than animal. We as humans must attain our god given potential by refusing all depravity.
RealHistory101 2 years ago
The founding father's sole argument for morality was the supreme being who is God. I think today morality still seems like one of the greatest arguments for the existance of God, Kant used God as a logical axiom in ethical objective morality.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Sorry, i meant amendment 1 not a
227Morgan 2 years ago
Amendment a "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF..." excluding atheism is prohibiting the free exercise thereof. It's like free speech. You have freedom of speech which give you the right to say what you like ALONG with the right to not say anything at all.
Message to all those who call themselves atheists... you aren't. Atheist means not theist. The views of "atheists" are not so simple as to say you just aren't a theist.
227Morgan 2 years ago
Didn't the declaration of Independence say:
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were created equal, and endowed by the CREATOR with unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Furthermore, Atheists were ecluded from the social contract theory by John Locke, Locke said we shouldn't tolerate Atheists. There is also nothing in the Constitution about toleration towards ATheists, freedom to exercise religion. Atheism=/= Religion.
ogirv101 2 years ago
@ogirv101 The Declaration if Independence has no baring on law, nor does John Locke. And I agree, Atheism isn't a religion but rather a lack there of. Being able to have free religion obviously implys a lack of religion as well.
Senoska 2 years ago 7
@Senoska:
Freedom of religion doesn't include atheism, now you're interpreting law into your own way, the intent of the forefathers was to end an establishing of church and state like in England and Italy, and the protection of smaller religious groups like meddonites, Muslims, and Jews. In no way does it give rights to Atheists.
ogirv101 2 years ago
@Senoska No baring . . . hardly. Though it is not law, it does have bea. But original intent is a valid interpretation of Const. And to that the Court looks towards all sorts of historical documents, declaration of Independence included.
cdog4100 11 months ago
OH MY. You could easily be the stupidest person on the internet.
FREEDOM TO =/= YOU MUST DO THIS.
Get it
Let me make it easier for you.
You have the freedom to speech, but you dont have to.
PMID85 2 years ago
@ogirv101 You say Creator in terms of a personal god? This word is used i think because the founding fathers were deists who believe we were created but God does not mettle in personal lives.
DasCracker 1 year ago
@DasCracker:
No, not a personal god. If it were a personal god, then it wouldn't be constitutional. And only two of our founding fathers were Deists... out of the 52 who framed the constitution. Frankling and Jefferson were the only ones. The rest were Christians.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 Which creator should that be? Muhammad? YHWY? Mbombo? Notice Jesus isn't mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. The separation of church and state protects your religion and protects the rest of us from your religion.
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago 3
@ogirv101 Locke was not a founding father dipshit!
carnypimp 1 year ago
@ogirv101 The quotes you are speaking of are all speeches read from people not laws what the fuck is wrong with you! The Decluration of independence is not a constitution it is a victory speech! Amendment 1 protects non belivers and believers but I know you got more BS to throw out there. I'm sorry that you have such a religion where you think that everyone should worshop it cause it is not so.
carnypimp 1 year ago
@ogirv101
Notice how the first paragraph mentions the god of nature, hardly the christian god.
JonathanTheAlchemist 11 months ago
Senoska, no I'm Sorry. The First Amendment means exactly what it says not more and not less. What you want is for Congress and the Courts to VIOLATE the First Amendment by creating laws that PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. That is what you are about, you are no defender the First Amendment. You are in fact a domestic enemy of the U.S. Constitution and should be handled as such.
imikewillrockyou 2 years ago
The founding fathers used to hold church services in the Capital building every sunday morning and sunday eveing for decades... We are a Christian Nation , Under God... In God We Trust... If you are a good christian you will be a good citizen...
bigwhitebear1 2 years ago
If people were good Christians we wouldn't have slavery, The Crusades, discrimination against race or sexuality, the Holocaust and many wars under the name of God.
Just because you are Christian and follow God does NOT make you a good person.. and vice-versa for atheists.
GigaOutrage 2 years ago
thanks! i am tired of hearing so much 'false witness' professed by folks... who want to post the ten commandments on public property... it is sad and ironic.... we don't need their god inflicted on us....
markofthebeasts 2 years ago
The Separation of Church and State works in everyone's benefit, regardless of religious/spiritual heritage or lack they're of.
The Christian Right fails to see this.
ginkiba3 2 years ago
While yes it does, it should not be the law. In my opinion each federal building should have the option of separation or integration.
Separation-what many state, there should be absolutely no reference to religion (except in a historical sense, like a school) in or on the building
or
Integration-They can accept religious references (Like ten commandment statue), but cannot deny any other belief's rights to do the same.
Separation is easier, but integration shouldn't be illegal.
TombaFanatic 2 years ago
the background music is L's theme from the anime Death Note.
cartmanSPP 2 years ago
It is simple folks. Separation of church and state to preserve both the church and the state.
What it all reduces to in the end are fanatical religious groups wanting control over the government. Essentially a theocracy. Period. Paragraph. This whole issue is pointless.
Hey religious people, good luck when the government tells you what to worship and where. ENJOY!
BTW, no one cares what you worship so stop pretending to be a minority or oppressed.
biped19 2 years ago 2
Great comment biped19. Those who are against separation of church would be the first ones to argue for it if they were under a theocracy of a religion different from their own. And, sadly, most people that are against it don't seem to get that the principle is "separation" and is not anti-religion.
baystategal 2 years ago 2
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
jfsfrnd 2 years ago
There is a difference between separation of church and state and anti- or pro-religiosity. Man people confuse the two.
[Some assert that our Judeo-Christian origins stem from the Pilgrims/Puritans. They didn't found this country, but if they're seen as part of our heritage, it must be noted that, although they were deists, they were separatists. They felt that religion and civil authority should not be intertwined. That's why they came. Too bad they were guilty of the same thing on this shore.]
baystategal 2 years ago
The Pilgrims were not Deists. They were thorough Calvinists. The name separatist was applied to them because they separated themselves from the Church of England because it wasn't Calvinist enough for them.They immigrated to America to found there own Christian Republic, employing the Bible as their legal code. They by no means beleived religion and government should be separate, they just didn't like the religion of the Church of England. Google "Mayflower Compact"
Toneytc 2 years ago
Fortunately the Pilgrims did not found The United States. Secular Deists did.
Syrinx69 2 years ago
Just because you want God out, doesn't mean is not in the constitution, for your information The US Constitution Is Based In The Word Of God, namely, The Bible!
NonWorldly 2 years ago
No, it is not.
baystategal 2 years ago
Sure it is! Just because you lack knowledge & understanding doesn't mean it isn't! Again, yes it is!
NonWorldly 2 years ago
Hmmm. The Enlightenment, a shift from religious dogma and monarchical oppression to individual rights, liberty, and reason had nothing to do with it? Doc's like the VA Const., Art. of Conf., English Bill of Rights, Magna Carta, etc. were not drawn from? Locke, Montesquieu, other philosophers incl ancient Greeks had no influence? A 3-branched govt. w/cks & bal's is Biblical? Ge, knowledge based on documented history and understanding based on rational thought must be wrong.
baystategal 2 years ago
I would like to point out that Jefferson was not involved in the writing of the Constitution, but it should be noted that when the Constitution was ratified, 5 states has state religions, and that while Jefferson was President, he attended Church at the Capitol. The real problem lies when all refrences to God are being forced out of society, with thE Pledge, ten commandments, etc.
bmf1706 2 years ago
Anyone else notice the background music is one of the Deathnote themes?
kirafuuten 2 years ago
your... plain and simply an idiot
555D3M0N666 2 years ago
Thank you for the excellent video.
lc237 2 years ago 3
good vid! lol, the L theme.
KwantumPsyentisd 2 years ago
pary to a rock for all i care. do no harm.
mountain19 2 years ago
EPIC FAIL
LordBLB 2 years ago
I call Poe on Nate
Aaberg123 2 years ago
And yet you have the First Amendment... "or prohibiting the free expression thereof..." Jefferson's Wall of Separation is a wall AGAINST Congress ONLY... for folk to "establish" a religious order they'd have to be in Congress first, and once there they are automatically prohibited from making pro OR CON religious laws. So the laws about religion are ALL un-Constitutional.
mallardhead 2 years ago
While you are right, other documents such as the declaration of independence recognize a "creator" and/or "God". I think it's fair to say that our nation was founded under the belief in a "creator" of some sort, otherwise it would be just silly to claim anything otherwise. However, that isn't to say that it was founded as a christian nation anything else for that matter.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
It's NOT fair to say that the U.S. was founded "under" the belief in a creator. Why? Because the Constitution is the law of the land and God was left out of that document, intentionally.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - Declaration of Independence
This was the beginning, and quite frankly, the declaration of our country's very existence. Sure, you can believe what you want...that is freedom, but in the beginning, the rights you enjoy were believed to have been given by a "creator" or a "god".
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
The Declaration is a historical document. The CONSTITUTION is the law of the land.
Yahweh, Jesus and Christian are absent from the Constitution. Why do you think that is?
And no, not all the Founders believed that our rights were given by a creator.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Are you serious? HAHAHA!!! The constitution is the law of the land, the declaration of independence was the initial founding document, declaring this nation's very existence. I think that the constitution does not mention God or Creator for the very reason we have the 1st amendment, freedom to believe what you want. It has absolutely no place in law of any sort. Quite irrelevant to the discussion though. The founding fathers statement you made is for another discussion...very long one too.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
You said earlier: "the rights you enjoy were believed to have been given by a "creator" or a "god".
Believed by whom and why should anyone care? Again, many Founders didn't believe such nonsense.
And though it's true that some Founders believed in a creator, THEY LEFT IT OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION. If the Founders had intended for the country to be "founded" on a religion, they would have mentioned it in the Constitution.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Your 2nd and 3rd sentences show your bias. It is quite humorous I might add.
I never said that the country was founded on any religion. Also, the constitution is irrelevant in this instance, as it is referring to government limitations and not the actual founding of this country.
You're pretty good at showing your bias, paying no attention to what I say, and taking what I say out of context or completely putting words in my mouth. The debate of religion should be taken to another discussion
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
You said this: "I think it's fair to say that our nation was founded under the belief in a "creator" of some sort"
This implies that the U.S. is somehow tied to a sky god. If this wasn't your intention then by all means explain.
Oh, so you're not claiming that our country has a state religion? That's good I suppose. But are you asserting that our country is Deistic?
What is the point of your insistance that the U.S. was "founded under" nonsense?
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Funny, in the quote you referenced, I do not see "sky god" anywhere. I'm sort of missing how you're even attempting to debate this. It isn't really debatable, nor do I see why you are so insistent about attempting to "prove whoever wrong" about this. As long as you have the freedom to believe what you want, what does it really matter what the origins of the country was? I understand that you're an atheist, but shit...give it up already. Read the declaration of Independence.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
It isn't debatable? You must think that's convenient.
The fact that the Declaration references a "creator" doesn't mean that the U.S. was founded "under" an imaginary being. The fact that the writer of the document was a deist doesn't mean that he intended to make that assumption for everyone. That would have been totally against the philosophy of Jefferson. The Declaration isn't the law...the Constitution is and of course that's why they left god nonsense out of it.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Wow. Well, it's been fun and all but I'm not going to argue with someone with such a tremendous bias who is apparently stuck in denial and willing to remain ignorant. Words repeatedly used like "imaginary" and "nonsense" prove you're too biased to have an intelligent debate about this subject. While I will admit, your stance and determination are both very comical. Yes...there is no infinite being. The universe came from nothing. (sarcasm)
Anyway...think what you want and stay in denial.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
Also, your 3rd statement asks if I am asserting anything about the way the country "is", which is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The discussion (refer to my first comments) was about the country in the beginning stages.
As far as my personal belief (since you're so insistent on knowing what I think/believe), I think it's silly to believe that there is not some form of infinite being who created everything in the universe.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
The sentiment is that there should be basic rights, but peoples have historically asserted that a god supports their positions (though it doesn't make it so). Additionally, the term creator was not unilaterally perceived. To some, it was nature. , as not all deists, then and now, perceive God as the Abrahamic God.
baystategal 2 years ago
Does it really even matter? Nope...not at all.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
Really? You think that NonWordly's comment that the Constitution is based on the Bible doesn't matter? Well, on one hand, I see your point. It is an irrelevant issue in that it was not based on the Bible. The Constitution being misperceived, though, is indeed a noteworthy issue to many.
baystategal 2 years ago
Personally I don't care what anyone thinks as long as they respect it.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
Then why bother to record snippy comments?
baystategal 2 years ago
Snippy? I wasn't being snippy IMO. I was honestly just correcting "atheistjeremy".
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
My apologies, then. It appears that replies to comments are not in order. I thought you were commenting on mine. Sorry.
baystategal 2 years ago
You want to live in a theocracy? Move to Iran. You'll love it there.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Why do you think you are intelligent, educated and rational is the real ?
Grebryspell 2 years ago
Religion holds us back from economic growth. It should never be used in ruling a country.
JamesMag1234 2 years ago
RESEARCH NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
hogsonquads 2 years ago
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Mokenofrs 2 years ago
Doesn't this make you a fundamental dogmatic anti-religion...ist.... I obviously made this video to promote freedom for all sides, and attitudes like your own hinder that cause be it on the religious or atheist side. Perhaps that comment is one that you should have kept to yourself.
Senoska 2 years ago
thats true
but i'm that kind of person who would go to extreme meausres
what my view on religion is that its destroying humanity
but that comes from personal experiences with fundies
kind of a xenophobia of some sort
Mokenofrs 2 years ago
You should move to a theocratic country, like Iran. You'd love it there.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
If I had it my way...
We would all be equal regardless of religion. people thought rationally and critically rather than what might please their god.
I wonder who's idea is more likely to succeed
Senoska 2 years ago
jeremyguru: the ONLY time the aclu will defend a Christian is when it helps the aclu.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Really? Why are many Christians members of the ACLU? You don't have to be an atheist to understand the First Amendment.
Atheistjeremy 3 years ago
Jeremyguru: where in the Constitution do you find the words "sep. of church and state"?
blessedvic 3 years ago
I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other."
Jefferson believed himself to be a Christian. Anyone who says he was a deist is calling him a liar.
blessedvic 3 years ago
That quote, of course, is taken out of context. I could say the same thing about Buddha, yet I'm not a Buddhist in any religious sense. Jefferson admired some of Jesus's teachings but he didn't think he was a god.
If you say that you can be a "Christian" without believing in the divinity of Christ, then I'd say that you're an admirer of a warped philosophy, not a religion. No one is perfect.
Atheistjeremy 3 years ago
a christian is sombody who believes Jesus is God the trinity is not debatable when it comes to christianity! im saying sombody cannot be a christian who denys the divinity of Jesus1 and the bible says so also! please read it some more...stop spreading ignorance! fine if you are not a christian...but do not speak of things you know little about.
Grebryspell 2 years ago
Thomas Jefferson once called himself a "Christian" and he didn't believe in the divinity of Christ. Clearly, not everyone believes the same as YOU would demand.
"but do not speak of things you know little about." I'll wager that I know the bible better than you.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
I do not demand anything! i dont wager on the Bible either ! I read it!
look up the fudemental beliefs of christianity, and you will see i was only stating a fact!
The Devil also knows every word in the bible...doesnt he?
Grebryspell 2 years ago
"look up the fudemental beliefs of christianity, and you will see i was only stating a fact!" LOL, where should I look it up? There are thousands of Christian denominations.
"The Devil also knows every word in the bible...doesnt he?" Sigh...the devil is MAKE BELIEVE.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
yup the devils greatest deception...he wants you to think he is not real!
look up 100 of them then! you will see the trinity is key! i may not agree with you....but i would fight to the death with you to speak your mind! have a great weekend!
Grebryspell 2 years ago
"yup the devils greatest deception...he wants you to think he is not real!"
Umm no, the devil isn't real. If you're an adult it's time to give up imaginary friends.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
well when you meet him at the end of your life...you can tell him that he isnt real..im sure he will be very interested lol
Grebryspell 2 years ago
"well when you meet him at the end of your life...you can tell him that he isnt real..im sure he will be very interested lol"
Why do you think that your lame threats intimidate intelligent, educated, rational people?
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Why do you think you are intelligent, educated, and rational?
I was making no threat...why did you take it as a threat is the real question! It was a comment. When you meet him..tell him he isn't real, suggestion was all it is! you tell him whatever you want ok bud!
Grebryspell 2 years ago
"Why do you think you are intelligent, educated, and rational?" Compared to you? Well, for starters, I don't believe that virgins give birth, dead people can be resurrected or that Jews can fly. You are in no position to question my intelligence, education or rationality.
Yes, that is a threat. You were saying basically this: "You better believe in MY god, because if you don't you'll be very sorry" Again, lame threats don't impress rational people.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
didnt say you would be sorry...in fact i think A PERSON LIKE YOU WOULD BE QUITE CONFORTABLE IN HELL...YOU FOR SURE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE AROUND ALL OF US PIECE OF SHIT CHRISTIANS IN HEAVEN! NO THREAT DUDE...ITS JUST COMMAN SENCE....I BELIEVE IN GOD YUP JUST LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE HUMANS WALKEN ON THE EARTH...SO LUMP IT JEREMY
Grebryspell 2 years ago
Actually, I'm glad that heaven isn't real...a celestial North Korea. A place where you must eternally worship the Slavemaster and you can be convicted of "thought crimes." No thanks. I'd rather rot.
No, your silly, utopian, eternal paradise fantasies are not common sense.
"BELIEVE IN GOD YUP JUST LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE HUMANS WALKEN ON THE EARTH" The majority of people don't believe in YOUR god. There are thousands of "gods." They're all make believe, of course.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Jeremyguru: Thomas Jefferson;"My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Don't start quote-mining Jefferson. He was not a Christian and said so numerous times. He denied the divinity of Jesus, miracles and all other supernatural hocus pocus in the bible.
Atheistjeremy 3 years ago
i agree
bradreed 3 years ago
Three times Jefferson signed extensions of another measure described as "An Act? regulating the grants of land appropriated for Military services and for the Society of the United Brethren for propagating the Gospel among the Heathen."
blessedvic 3 years ago
jeremyguru: Jefferson created the image of the wall in order to reassure the Baptists that government would never interfere with their religious life, but he never suggested that religion would have no role in government. In 1803, in fact, Jefferson recommended to Congress the approval of a treaty that provided government funds to support a Catholic priest in ministering to the Kaskaskia Indians.
blessedvic 3 years ago
"but he never suggested that religion would have no role in government." For that, go read the First Amendment.
Atheistjeremy 3 years ago
jeremyguru: there is no mention of Jesus in the Constitution because it was left up to the states.Every state constitution mentions God.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Which god? Show me a state constitution that mentions Yahweh, Jesus or Christianity.
The First Amendment is very clear that there will be no state sponsored religion. The Constitution also states that there will be no religious test for public office. Clearly, the Founders did not set up a theocracy.
Atheistjeremy 3 years ago
jeremyguru: The Declaration of Independence is a founding document of America. What does the Dansbury letter have to do with the government?
blessedvic 3 years ago
The founding document is the Constitution. It's the law of land. It sets up the goverment. Again, there's no mention of Yahweh, Jesus or Christianity in that document.
For that matter, there's no mention of Yahweh, Jesus or Christianity in the Declaration. Jefferson, among many Founders, was a deist.
Atheistjeremy 3 years ago
"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States [10th Amendment]."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Jefferson viewed the "wall" as limiting the federal government from "intermeddling" in church government, as explained in his letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808
blessedvic 3 years ago
The Founders understood that fear of God, moral leadership, and a righteous citizenry were necessary for their great experiment to succeed.
Therefore, they structured a political climate that was encouraging to Christianity and accommodating to religion, rather than hostile to it.
Protestant Christianity was the prevailing religious view for the first 150 years of our history.
blessedvic 3 years ago
The Founders were deeply influenced by a biblical view of man and government. With a sober understanding of the fallenness of man, they devised a system of limited authority and checks and balances.
blessedvic 3 years ago
The members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
blessedvic 3 years ago
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The 55 Founding Fathers.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
blessedvic 3 years ago
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A study by the American Political Science Review on the political documents of the founding era (1760-1805), [reported] that 94 percent of the periods documents were based on the Bible, with 34 percent of the contents being direct citations from the Bible. The Scripture was the bedrock and blueprint of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, academic arenas and heritage until the last quarter of a century.
blessedvic 3 years ago
The aclu has been trying to ban God ever since the 1930's.
blessedvic 3 years ago
If the ACLU is trying to "ban God" why do they also respresent religious people, including Christians? They often organize lawsuits in favor of Christians when their rights are being violated.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
nowhere in the Constitution does it say abortion is a right. That didn't stop liberal judges from making it up.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Jefferson: "all men are endowed by their CREATOR". If you can imply "sep. of church and state" Jefferson implied God in the Dec. of Independence.
blessedvic 3 years ago
The Declaration of Independence has NOTHING to do with the organization of our government. The CONSTITUTION is the law of the land. Why is there no mention of Jesus, Yahweh or Christianity in the Constitution?
Jefferson was a deist. When he wrote about the "creator" he wasn't talking about the Christian god. How does that make you feel?
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
YES! Thank you so, so much for clearing this up! Finally I can practice my religion freely without fear of persecution. All hail the great Spaghetti Monster floating high in his mighty cloud!!
seanotube85 3 years ago
Good video.
It's sad Christians are still claiming the U.S was founded upon Christianity and is a Christian nation.
They never seem to be able to answer that, if we were founded on Christianity and intended to be a Christian nation, why is "God", "Jesus", "Christianity", etc.. not mentioned once in the constitution. Considering the constitution is foundation of all law and government in the United States, seems like the founding fathers would mention one of those things...
Faustuss1 3 years ago
Okay, so expand on this a little because I'm not sure I get the gripe. The problem is government establishment of religion, yes? I mean, thanks but no thanks on the Holy Roman Chruch.
However, the foundational documents are Dec. of Independance, Constitution and Bill of Rights (Amendments). The DOI does say Nature's God and Creator; Constitution says the people ordain..; BOR is written with commandment flair (shall not, shall not).
I prefer natural rights/golden rule/10 command. ????
BeanGene 3 years ago
The point is, that the United States was clearly not founded as a Christian nation, as many Christians claim.
Faustuss1 3 years ago