Actually, Alexander's marriage in this movie to Roxanna was probably my favorite part of the entire film. lol. However, if it can be avoided, never give in to "the dramatic Irony of life," it just might beat you down.
They should have chosen someone else for the part of Roxane.. Bactrian people were not from negro blood(no offence) They were asians obviously. Nowdays Afghanistan. Even a latina would have suited better. oh well happens alot in hollywood. I enjoyed the movie and the dance..
They should have chosen someone else for the part of Roxane.. Bactrian people were not from negro blood(no offence) They were asians obviously. Nowdays Afghanistan. Even a latina would have suited better. oh well happens alot in hollywood. I enjoyed the movie and the dance
Ok, 1st of all Rosario Dawson is Latina. Repeat her 1st name slowly with your eyes closed and it will come to you. 2nd of all if you want to talk about mis-castings why don't we talk about white men playing Indians in old westerns or white folk playing Egyptian. I forgot to mention Vaudville when white painted their faces to do black performance.
@atremisshock this video does not represent Iranian or pre-Iranian culture since historically this was in Balkh, which is in present day Afghanistan. Sure Afghans were Persians... But they are not Iranian.
This movie really hurt my feelings... They made Alexander the Great become Alexander the Gay...... None the less...Why do I have a feelig that if Colinf Farrel is really the bad boy he had a hard time sitting through this part?:P
Great movie, it was all based upon a pure suspicion about Alexander being gay.... forget that he conquered all the know world by the time he was 24, forget that he was a military tactical genius, forget the impact he had on the ancient world .. lets cut out his accomplishments and make a movie about him being or not in a gay relationship with Hephaestion.
I think she very much looks the part as Bookeeper57 said, and played it beautifully and she is of Puerto Rican, Afro-Cuban, Irish and Native American ancestry. So it's not like she's an full blooded African. And African Americans that are born here in America are all mixed with something unless they came straight from Africa. And when it comes to acting and portraying a character or real life person it doesn't matter what race you are as long as it comes a long as truthful.;-)
@bramaburrr i don't think it has a spesific style that we can even name, probably some exotic dancer made up this choreography. all you can do is trying to imitate it.
You are all contemplating what Roxana should have looked like as an afghan from the region of Soghdia but what about Alexander, hephtaestion and his lot from Macedonia, I wonder if they would have been so blond and blue eyed? In the end it is a hollywood movie - using genuine ethnic actor probably would not have made it the blockbuster is was............
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Ignorant American Jewllywood...did they even know what the Name Roxanne means before casting a brown Latino Actress to play her??(no disrespect)
Roxana means someone with a luminous and glowing face. How could you be "luminous" if you have brown skin?? (nothing wrong with having brown skin btw)
Greeks had mentioned them as of dark hair (usually black) but being less sun-tanned than Greeks because they were very rich and did not need to work out in the sun like most Greeks.
Note that Greeks in their myths retained a loose link to Iranians as a cousin nation - not that Iranians derived from Greeks or the opposite of course but that Iranian people are relatives of the Mediterranean people (whose representative nation are Greeks).
Are you kidding me...Ancient India was Huge back then. I'm of Indian Decent and I'm very light and even some Pakistani's are blacker then tar.Pakistan Persia And India have alot of common ancestry. Old Persian and Sanskrit and Mesopotamian have very similar languages and Gods.And i do not mean to denote any other person every one is beauty.
@TWI08 wtf iranians have got that desis dream of a common heritage with them......perhaps you havn't ever met a real desi.......i won't associate myself w those tribe like ppl even in my most horrible nightmare....
'ancient india' included parts of afganistan and the whole of modern pakistan . and ancient india denoted the land of the river indus . not beyond river indus .
to clear things up for u , alexander approached as far as the banks of Hyphasis River, which is now nown as beas and lies in modern indian territory .
Pakistan has always been different to India..Pakistan has more Persian, Arabs, Turks, Greek ancestry then India whom mostly have local dark skinned ppl and dravidians and few Aryans..Pakistanis also have different mentallity, thats why it was easy to split as Pakistan always had her Back turnes towards India in a lot of sense. Am a an Irish trainee Historian.
but i cant recall any large scale riots , general dissatisfaction or suchlike incidents within 'pakistan'(excluding the agitation for its creation in 1947) which can undoubtedly establish your opinion as a fact .
btw , there is difference between 'ancient india' and modern republic of india , when it comes to determining territories , the latter being considerably smaller (due to emergence of afganishatan as a seperate nation and recent partition of british india to give birth to the new state of pakistan) .
I buy your argument but that did not include Bactria, but it included Gandhara. But historians also call ancient India, the lands east of the Indus river, where Indic (Indo-Aryans) live.
true , ancient india did not include bactria . but it included modern day afganishtan which was then known as gandhara . the name gandhara can be seen in many contemporary indian texts like the famous mahabharata as one of the states of bharatavarsha(india) . infact the queen of hastinapura(present city of delhi) was called gandhari( with reference to her place of origin in gandhar) .
Bactria is in Afghanistan! Gandhara makes a SMALL part of modern Afghanistan, the Eastern part with it's borders near Pakistan. Most of Afghanistan was Bactria, Aria, Transoxiana which were culturally Iranian satrapies. The people living in Gandhara today are Pashtuns who are Iranic people but culturally closer to South Asians.
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Angelina Jolie definitely does NOT have a Greek accent in this movie. She sounds like Count Chocula.
The character she plays, Olympias, was an Epirote princess...Greek, just like the Macedonians. None of them have anything in common with the Irish. They are not Celts.
when hollywood makes a "historical" film they do what they want how they want to, cuz' it ain't about what really happened or how, but it is about what they can make you believe.
the costumes for the indians here in this movie make me laugh . except for the dhoti nothing else is accurate or historical . at alexander's time indian civilization was at its prime . and here they make us look like some half educated tribal folks with weird tatoos , desert dancing and primitive jewellery !!
alexander advanced as far as what is now called as pakistan . before 1947 there was no separate existence of pakistan . the entire landmass comprising of pakistan, india, bangladesh was called india or bharatavarsha(by indian themselves) . and back in alexander's time even afganisthan was a part of india and its culture . it was regarded as an indian province and was called gandhar(remember gandhar art?) . the culture was typically vedic aryan type .
Let's clear something up. The lands of India (and Indic people) were always known to be EAST of the Indus River. Afghanistan is clearly WEST of the Indus River and is part of GREATER IRAN. Bactria was a Persian satrapy, not Indian...nor was it's culture. It's culture was Near Eastern but Central Asian for the most part but of course there were South Asian (Indian) and East Asian (Chinese) influences in Bactria via the Tocharians and Gandharians. Please do not confuse.
Roxanne and her people aren't Indians or in India...they are in Bactria..which today would make it somewhere in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, or even Turkmenistan.
the landmass that alexander invaded , and what is now know as bactria , afganishtan and pakistan was then known as taxila , gandhaar etc and formed a part of indian vedic(hindu) civilization and remained so for almost 2500 years till recent times , when afagnishtan got seperated during the last 800 years and pakistan got its new identity in 1947 after breaking away from erstwhile british india .
@halleygoswami Yes, completely agree with you. It was part of the Indian Vedic civilisaton. Afghanistan N.India and what is now Pakistan was deeply steeped in the Indian Vedic era.
the costumes , decor , music and dances also do not match with authentic historical records of those era in those times . the culture of those lands in that era was aryan culture or vedic culture .
hmm she def does not look afghani...they did a very poor and inaccurate choice of picking this girl..wayy to dark and def does NOT posess any of the aryan traits
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Totally agree Sara. Another failure of the movie. Could have been great but for the actings. Colin Farrell did his bit didn't get the support and plots.
They choose this dark girls as to put a dark person in the movie in a majority of all white cast. That's pathetic. Noway do Afghans/Aryans look like that or looked like that during those years. Aryans are more lighter, prettier/handsome & better dancers lmao lol. True say though. But like i said they wnted 2 get a black character, pathetic.
Also how did they know they use to dance like that those years? or how did they know Afghan Girls use to dance like that & have a Music like that those days?. Totally inaccurate in my opinion. I bet Pakistanis and Afghans had they made a film set on those days would have done a better job and be more realistic and accurate & set up dances as if they were going on those days. These lot didnt do any research but made it up. They shud av compared the dances of now (Pak & Afg) & copied it.
hmm she dosnt look afghan at all i think she looks good but i dont think she was good for this part, an actual afghan or irani or even a northern aryan descent indian wouldve been great but oo well still a great movie
I think Rosario was totally miscast and wrong for the part. Then again maybe they were looking for someone who had no problem being comfortable naked and doing sex scenes who the hell knows.
Its the banjaran dance you can see its in some parts of Rajasthan India, mostly the are gypsies. you can see trails for it all over. well ,it was all India at the time so. anyone who wants hate can hate . its up to you , I am fine with that. makes world a difficult place for everyone , nothing better not even close
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Oh My God she is uglyyyyy. She is too dark and fat, looks like a man. Coundt they get a better actress who is slim tall fair and pretty. Am sure the real Roxane was light slim tall & beautiful as she was from Afghanistan and NOT Africa. Lmao lol. True say though!.
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Also Afghanistan was never part of India, neither was Pakistan. Pakistan always had its back turned towards India, i,e culture, looks, mentallity, thinking etc. Also the fact Pakkistans are closely related to Persians, Afghans, Arabs, Greeks, Mecedonians, Turkish etc then Indians are. Indians are mostly dark skinned local people. This is true. It was only part of India because the Muslims were also in India but Pakistan's side has always been different to India, so has Afghanistan. She is ugly.
well it standard american accent is supposed to represent greek language in movies, then an other accent is required to represent the macedonian language, which is greek but with a different accent. Thus, irish was chosen, because it sounds different to american and is also linked with the celtic heritage.
Angelina Jolie has a Greek accent in the movie, not an Irish one, and she is not supposed to be a Macedonian, but rather a "barbarian". So that means ur theory is that Greeks sound like Americans, Macedonians sound like Irish, and miscellaneous barbarians in Europe sound like Greeks......?
well they needed a third accent to distance angelina jolie from both greeks and macedonians. So what to take? French? Indian? Chinese? German? Instead, they rather took a crude version of English, like spoken by people in Eastern Europe.
Alexander the Great was a Macedonian at a time where Macedonia had political control over Greece. And homosexuality and bisexuality were not the taboos that they seem to be now. Having a homosexual partner and being married to a woman (for political reasons or to raise children) weren't necessarily conflicting interests. The word "Mentor" is derived from the Greek language. Mentors were older men who took younger men under their tutelage and often engaged in homosexuality.
what you wrote to me about Macedonia and Alexander and homosexuality is very interesting, can you state your claim ? i mean where in history it is written that a) ancient Macedonians were not ancient Greeks, b) homos ? where it is written ? c) mentor ? give me a book,
@sahajad Yes you are right, for the ancient greeks it was part of their culture and it still is a part of the culture of the modern greeks as of today, most of them still like it up their buttocks, but lets be clear and not mix ancient greeks with ANCIENT MACEDONIANS...
@toddgainesHAtred of hokosexuality and anything not "normal" is on the rise. I think we're entering another Dark Ages; the only difference from the last one is that it is controlled and manipulated by the insatiably greedy few. The world swings back and forth in never-ending cycles between darkness and light dominance; my hope for humanity is that we might live to see the final overthrow of this enslavement once and for all.
she doesnt look and completely black though, thats the thing. Egyptian maybe, Persian that is a bit of a stretch. Whateva, shes hot and the music is too and its RED, I love red!!! I like this one better than Bagoas' dance.
Only an American would cast an African American as an Afghan princess. Apparently the message is if you are not European you may simply be categorized as "colored". The pompous idiocy of Europeans and of Oliver Stone.
correct me if I am wrong but i am pretty damn sure she was not the princess as a matter of fact there was another actress who played the princess who wasn't African American. and that women who is dancing is not African American she is afro-cuban, irish, and native american decent.
afro cuban, irish and native american does not amount to central asian. whatever she is she obviously is not appropriate to play a central asian character princess or not. she wouldn't be cast as a european which according to you she is to some extent so what sense does it make to cast her as a centrala asian? the point being it's nonesensical no offense to her personally. she's great just wrong for the part.
you Afghan pride fools cry when Indians are cast as Afghans when most Afghans look indistinguishable from most Indians. Just admit you want a blonde haired, blue eyed Scarlett Johansen to play an Afghan so you can be satisfied in your racial stereotype which doesn't exist. Rosario Dawson is far more qualified to play an Afghan than some white girl and you know it.
why would scarlet johanson be qualified to play an Afghan? she doesn't look Afghan. indians are dravidians and Afghans are iranic. Any Afgjhan who looks Indian has clearly mixed with Indians. I'm sorry Afghans are not europeans negros or dravidians. is that so complicated to understand? and don't impose your colonial era complex on others, personally i despise the red pinched faces and stony blue eyes of europeans.
Seriously, they are not any more european than they are black or indian. if you want to make movies based on historical events they should be depicted appropriately in both appearance and sequence of events otherwise change all the names of places and people and call it fiction.
I served in Afghanistan and they didnt look like any Indians Ive seen. Id walk through the streets and see kids with the bluest eyes. The Aryan blood still flows in the mountains of Afghanistan.
i'm wondering why ethnicity is really that important of a consideration when casting a role like this.. the character is suppose to be exotic from what i gather and rosario dawson seems to fit that bill.. anyways.. arguing for authenticity in ethnicity or whatever it is you are doing seems a bit narrow or racist even given what the world is like today.. she wouldn't be cast as a european? what the fuck does that even mean? the understanding of what a european even is has drastically changed.
this is hunza which is in Pakistan northen and we still have this type of dance there in kahlash
mehsatic 1 month ago
can ayone tell me what is this song
jvarunjvk 6 months ago in playlist Musica
a love the twrill dance at 0:40 it's just so entrancing, very beautifuly done.
Francis3164 8 months ago
@mecario Actually Rosario Dawson is Afro-Cuban that means she's Black an d Latina
mzmiami2010 9 months ago
How come is it so hard to find the theme song to this movie??
MacxDex 10 months ago
I wonder if these girls do parties.
jstnhnh 11 months ago
There have always been dancers, and there always will be.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
Actually, Alexander's marriage in this movie to Roxanna was probably my favorite part of the entire film. lol. However, if it can be avoided, never give in to "the dramatic Irony of life," it just might beat you down.
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They should have chosen someone else for the part of Roxane.. Bactrian people were not from negro blood(no offence) They were asians obviously. Nowdays Afghanistan. Even a latina would have suited better. oh well happens alot in hollywood. I enjoyed the movie and the dance..
Justme8772 1 year ago
They should have chosen someone else for the part of Roxane.. Bactrian people were not from negro blood(no offence) They were asians obviously. Nowdays Afghanistan. Even a latina would have suited better. oh well happens alot in hollywood. I enjoyed the movie and the dance
Justme8772 1 year ago 2
@Justme8772 You need to keep those racist comments to yourself ..she' had that part now keep hiding that ugly mug behind your moniter that is all !
creolesilk 10 months ago
@Justme8772
Ok, 1st of all Rosario Dawson is Latina. Repeat her 1st name slowly with your eyes closed and it will come to you. 2nd of all if you want to talk about mis-castings why don't we talk about white men playing Indians in old westerns or white folk playing Egyptian. I forgot to mention Vaudville when white painted their faces to do black performance.
mecario 10 months ago
@atremisshock this video does not represent Iranian or pre-Iranian culture since historically this was in Balkh, which is in present day Afghanistan. Sure Afghans were Persians... But they are not Iranian.
PersianAfghani 1 year ago 2
@PersianAfghani I was under the impression that Roxanna must have been a rural //Parthian// landholder's daughter.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
I love this scene and thank you very much for the upload.
Parts of the movie are visually striking, but it was horribly miscast, they had Irish lilts, even Val Kilmer who's American.
In my opinion it's a terrible, terrible adaptation of one of the greatest stories of all time.
By the man meat of Apollo, I'll never watch another Oliver Stone film again.
artemisshock 1 year ago
INDIANS ALWAYS GOOD AT DANCING
rodtorre7 1 year ago
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MACEDONIA IS GREEK / HELLENIC
ALEXANDER THE GREAT IS GREEK / HELLENE
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
great dagger dance!!!
martinabutterfly 1 year ago
Oooh, love this scene. Perfect. "Those who love too much, lose everything. Those who love with irony - laaast!"
headsprunggg 1 year ago
This movie really hurt my feelings... They made Alexander the Great become Alexander the Gay...... None the less...Why do I have a feelig that if Colinf Farrel is really the bad boy he had a hard time sitting through this part?:P
Sunikkke 1 year ago
2 MsCaramelBrown
U said she's native american. So she's indian then?
Konttorirotta 1 year ago
Great movie, it was all based upon a pure suspicion about Alexander being gay.... forget that he conquered all the know world by the time he was 24, forget that he was a military tactical genius, forget the impact he had on the ancient world .. lets cut out his accomplishments and make a movie about him being or not in a gay relationship with Hephaestion.
MoneyR8 1 year ago
Makes me wanna work out Greek style :P
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
I think she very much looks the part as Bookeeper57 said, and played it beautifully and she is of Puerto Rican, Afro-Cuban, Irish and Native American ancestry. So it's not like she's an full blooded African. And African Americans that are born here in America are all mixed with something unless they came straight from Africa. And when it comes to acting and portraying a character or real life person it doesn't matter what race you are as long as it comes a long as truthful.;-)
MsCaramelBrown 1 year ago
the point is only a dumbass american would cast an afro american as a central asian princess
TWI08 1 year ago
i love this song, what is his name please???
judith107 1 year ago
does anyone know where or how to learn this dance?
bramaburrr 1 year ago
@bramaburrr i don't think it has a spesific style that we can even name, probably some exotic dancer made up this choreography. all you can do is trying to imitate it.
indiaturkey 1 year ago
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royanaser 1 year ago
@indiaturkey its persian classical dance
royanaser 1 year ago
@bramaburrr its a bit near to some persian dance styles
MariaAya 1 year ago
@bramaburrr My thoughts EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
Calucifer13 1 year ago
@bramaburrr This is tribal bellydance, and there are a few variations of it.
Roxane came from Bactria, a region that overlapped eastern Iran and countries
bordering it.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bramaburrr Maybe it's indian dance also.....
TheMrZecarioca 1 year ago
@bramaburrr You can still learn it in Iran and upper Pakistani regions.
alibabanumber1 1 year ago
@bramaburrr that's traditional persian dance you can even search it up on youtube
DemonGirlinHell 6 months ago
@bramaburrr hi buddy it is flok dance of today Hunza which is in Pakistan. but this dance is also fine in other Northern part of Pakistan.
mehsatic 1 month ago
You are all contemplating what Roxana should have looked like as an afghan from the region of Soghdia but what about Alexander, hephtaestion and his lot from Macedonia, I wonder if they would have been so blond and blue eyed? In the end it is a hollywood movie - using genuine ethnic actor probably would not have made it the blockbuster is was............
mitralara 1 year ago 2
@mitralara the 1/3 of the greek population is blond and blue eyed and alexander was blond as meny others achilles for example
zonars26 1 year ago
PeRfeeCt
TheSusanita98 1 year ago
what is the name of this song?
Mideastbeau56 1 year ago
ytut
seabird007vampire 1 year ago
what is the name of this song?
mitikamanu92 1 year ago
alexander was lucking in marrying roxanne she is so hot
strwar7 1 year ago 3
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Ignorant American Jewllywood...did they even know what the Name Roxanne means before casting a brown Latino Actress to play her??(no disrespect)
Roxana means someone with a luminous and glowing face. How could you be "luminous" if you have brown skin?? (nothing wrong with having brown skin btw)
DariusDaGreat86 2 years ago
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Couldnt they get a better looking girl lol.
Kellystarrr 2 years ago
Rosario has the right appearance for Roxana. She was 16 when she met Alexander. She was not Indian, but Bactrian. She came from land on the
eastern border of present day Iran. This
is not Indian classical dance. It is middle eastern tribal belly dance.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago 18
They cud have chose a lighther better looking slimmer Girl. Rosario doesnt relect Afghans or ancient Bactrians.
Kellystarrr 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57
No, this is central Asian folk dancing. Not Middle Eastern belly dancing. These women have their body covered fully. Belly dancers are not like that.
Persia had this type of dancing but now under Islam Iranians seem to be acting the Goat !
sahajad 1 year ago
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"Persia had this type of dancing but now under Islam Iranians seem to be acting the Goat !
Iran had a great culture of their own before Islam, it's true.
artemisshock 1 year ago
so ancient Iranians apparently looked like Puerto Ricans...I was expecting her to break into J-Lo song when I watched this the first time
DariusDaGreat86 2 years ago 2
Darius, ancient Iranians looked impressive.
Greeks had mentioned them as of dark hair (usually black) but being less sun-tanned than Greeks because they were very rich and did not need to work out in the sun like most Greeks.
Note that Greeks in their myths retained a loose link to Iranians as a cousin nation - not that Iranians derived from Greeks or the opposite of course but that Iranian people are relatives of the Mediterranean people (whose representative nation are Greeks).
papagamias 2 years ago 6
rosario gots monster big titts, love it
MrClydes 2 years ago
Are you kidding me...Ancient India was Huge back then. I'm of Indian Decent and I'm very light and even some Pakistani's are blacker then tar.Pakistan Persia And India have alot of common ancestry. Old Persian and Sanskrit and Mesopotamian have very similar languages and Gods.And i do not mean to denote any other person every one is beauty.
LotusSitar 2 years ago
that is false, pakis and indians are desis they have no common heritage with iranians or iranian people, except for in the day dreams of desis
TWI08 1 year ago
I really didn't care for your input. lol
LotusSitar 1 year ago
@TWI08 wtf iranians have got that desis dream of a common heritage with them......perhaps you havn't ever met a real desi.......i won't associate myself w those tribe like ppl even in my most horrible nightmare....
savzsings 1 year ago
@LotusSitar
the indian hindus that converted to islam are black as tar
RoseBlossomGarden 1 year ago
@RoseBlossomGarden Yeah?Well i really don't care about skin color. Heh
LotusSitar 1 year ago
@LotusSitar
same here
RoseBlossomGarden 1 year ago
@LotusSitar Yes, totally agree. They have deep spiritual links.
sabreena1khalick 2 months ago
This dance is probably not even Bactrian considering the culture is long lost, and there are no records of it.
grecobactrian 2 years ago
'ancient india' included parts of afganistan and the whole of modern pakistan . and ancient india denoted the land of the river indus . not beyond river indus .
to clear things up for u , alexander approached as far as the banks of Hyphasis River, which is now nown as beas and lies in modern indian territory .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
Pakistan has always been different to India..Pakistan has more Persian, Arabs, Turks, Greek ancestry then India whom mostly have local dark skinned ppl and dravidians and few Aryans..Pakistanis also have different mentallity, thats why it was easy to split as Pakistan always had her Back turnes towards India in a lot of sense. Am a an Irish trainee Historian.
Kellystarrr 2 years ago
u r free to have ur own opinions .
but i cant recall any large scale riots , general dissatisfaction or suchlike incidents within 'pakistan'(excluding the agitation for its creation in 1947) which can undoubtedly establish your opinion as a fact .
regards.
halleygoswami 2 years ago
the fact that you are european explains your total lack of knowledge and general idiocy
TWI08 1 year ago
@TWI08
can you try and comment with intellect in the future, you cluttered the video with alot of angry opinions.
RoseBlossomGarden 1 year ago
btw , there is difference between 'ancient india' and modern republic of india , when it comes to determining territories , the latter being considerably smaller (due to emergence of afganishatan as a seperate nation and recent partition of british india to give birth to the new state of pakistan) .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
im not trying to say that the land where alexander personally set foot lies in present day india .
im just saying that the culture of those lands were vedic , and historians accept them as what was 'ancient india' .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
I buy your argument but that did not include Bactria, but it included Gandhara. But historians also call ancient India, the lands east of the Indus river, where Indic (Indo-Aryans) live.
grecobactrian 2 years ago
true , ancient india did not include bactria . but it included modern day afganishtan which was then known as gandhara . the name gandhara can be seen in many contemporary indian texts like the famous mahabharata as one of the states of bharatavarsha(india) . infact the queen of hastinapura(present city of delhi) was called gandhari( with reference to her place of origin in gandhar) .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
Bactria is in Afghanistan! Gandhara makes a SMALL part of modern Afghanistan, the Eastern part with it's borders near Pakistan. Most of Afghanistan was Bactria, Aria, Transoxiana which were culturally Iranian satrapies. The people living in Gandhara today are Pashtuns who are Iranic people but culturally closer to South Asians.
grecobactrian 2 years ago
I think they should take a Middle-eastener Actress for playing Roxanne...
This girl is pretty , but she doesn't look Middle-Eastener..neither Afghani or Bactharian.
Elany13 2 years ago
Can any one give the name of this instrumental music, please ? .
It sounds Indian and not Persian, anyway !
sahajad 2 years ago
"Roxane's Dance" from the Alexander soundtrack by Vangelis.
InnateNobility 2 years ago 3
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thiasotis1 2 years ago
Trop belle,cette scène de danse !!!!
j'adore !!!!!
Lolynette93130 2 years ago
Angelina Jolie definitely does NOT have a Greek accent in this movie. She sounds like Count Chocula.
The character she plays, Olympias, was an Epirote princess...Greek, just like the Macedonians. None of them have anything in common with the Irish. They are not Celts.
maghag222 2 years ago
when hollywood makes a "historical" film they do what they want how they want to, cuz' it ain't about what really happened or how, but it is about what they can make you believe.
Portis1Luv 2 years ago
the costumes for the indians here in this movie make me laugh . except for the dhoti nothing else is accurate or historical . at alexander's time indian civilization was at its prime . and here they make us look like some half educated tribal folks with weird tatoos , desert dancing and primitive jewellery !!
the whole thing is so typically non-indian .
halleygoswami 2 years ago 4
these isnt india.. this is bactria or balkh.. present day afghanistan
toddgaines 2 years ago
alexander advanced as far as what is now called as pakistan . before 1947 there was no separate existence of pakistan . the entire landmass comprising of pakistan, india, bangladesh was called india or bharatavarsha(by indian themselves) . and back in alexander's time even afganisthan was a part of india and its culture . it was regarded as an indian province and was called gandhar(remember gandhar art?) . the culture was typically vedic aryan type .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
Let's clear something up. The lands of India (and Indic people) were always known to be EAST of the Indus River. Afghanistan is clearly WEST of the Indus River and is part of GREATER IRAN. Bactria was a Persian satrapy, not Indian...nor was it's culture. It's culture was Near Eastern but Central Asian for the most part but of course there were South Asian (Indian) and East Asian (Chinese) influences in Bactria via the Tocharians and Gandharians. Please do not confuse.
grecobactrian 2 years ago
Roxanne and her people aren't Indians or in India...they are in Bactria..which today would make it somewhere in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, or even Turkmenistan.
jaydamien 2 years ago 4
the landmass that alexander invaded , and what is now know as bactria , afganishtan and pakistan was then known as taxila , gandhaar etc and formed a part of indian vedic(hindu) civilization and remained so for almost 2500 years till recent times , when afagnishtan got seperated during the last 800 years and pakistan got its new identity in 1947 after breaking away from erstwhile british india .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
@halleygoswami Yes, completely agree with you. It was part of the Indian Vedic civilisaton. Afghanistan N.India and what is now Pakistan was deeply steeped in the Indian Vedic era.
sabreena1khalick 2 months ago
the costumes , decor , music and dances also do not match with authentic historical records of those era in those times . the culture of those lands in that era was aryan culture or vedic culture .
halleygoswami 2 years ago
Vedic culture was in India, not Greater Iran!
grecobactrian 2 years ago
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In the love scene with her and Alaxender her breasts looked really good....i was surprised i did not know she had such nice tits
ryanlester1980 2 years ago
A simple mujra dance would have done so much better here. And even that isn't historically accurate either.
xNymphetamynexGurlx 2 years ago
hmm she def does not look afghani...they did a very poor and inaccurate choice of picking this girl..wayy to dark and def does NOT posess any of the aryan traits
SaraKabob 2 years ago 5
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Totally agree Sara. Another failure of the movie. Could have been great but for the actings. Colin Farrell did his bit didn't get the support and plots.
They choose this dark girls as to put a dark person in the movie in a majority of all white cast. That's pathetic. Noway do Afghans/Aryans look like that or looked like that during those years. Aryans are more lighter, prettier/handsome & better dancers lmao lol. True say though. But like i said they wnted 2 get a black character, pathetic.
easynowww 2 years ago
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That dance sucks.
Takerslady 2 years ago
Also how did they know they use to dance like that those years? or how did they know Afghan Girls use to dance like that & have a Music like that those days?. Totally inaccurate in my opinion. I bet Pakistanis and Afghans had they made a film set on those days would have done a better job and be more realistic and accurate & set up dances as if they were going on those days. These lot didnt do any research but made it up. They shud av compared the dances of now (Pak & Afg) & copied it.
easynowww 2 years ago
hmm she dosnt look afghan at all i think she looks good but i dont think she was good for this part, an actual afghan or irani or even a northern aryan descent indian wouldve been great but oo well still a great movie
zooboo27 3 years ago
very nice dance
hasterion 3 years ago
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I think Rosario was totally miscast and wrong for the part. Then again maybe they were looking for someone who had no problem being comfortable naked and doing sex scenes who the hell knows.
ceriselux 3 years ago
Its the banjaran dance you can see its in some parts of Rajasthan India, mostly the are gypsies. you can see trails for it all over. well ,it was all India at the time so. anyone who wants hate can hate . its up to you , I am fine with that. makes world a difficult place for everyone , nothing better not even close
roshraw 3 years ago
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Oh My God she is uglyyyyy. She is too dark and fat, looks like a man. Coundt they get a better actress who is slim tall fair and pretty. Am sure the real Roxane was light slim tall & beautiful as she was from Afghanistan and NOT Africa. Lmao lol. True say though!.
easynowww 3 years ago
Are you blind? She is gorgeous!!! I agree it's not realistic because she does not look Persian at all, but that's a different matter.
majortom51970 3 years ago 5
she isn't supposed to be "persin". she is supposed to be Afghan and she doesn't look like that either.
TWI08 3 years ago 3
I totally agree with you.
She doesn't posses the traits that would make you believe she's Persian.
JemUltra 3 years ago
where in history it is written that Alexander the Great was not Greek and that he was a gay?
socratis904 3 years ago
macedonian not greek similar but with major differences and theres no real evidence for the gay thing
duncan01234 3 years ago
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Also Afghanistan was never part of India, neither was Pakistan. Pakistan always had its back turned towards India, i,e culture, looks, mentallity, thinking etc. Also the fact Pakkistans are closely related to Persians, Afghans, Arabs, Greeks, Mecedonians, Turkish etc then Indians are. Indians are mostly dark skinned local people. This is true. It was only part of India because the Muslims were also in India but Pakistan's side has always been different to India, so has Afghanistan. She is ugly.
easynowww 3 years ago
you reply to th roght comment? i dont remeber saying anything about pakistan(which was part of india)
duncan01234 3 years ago
you are seriously full of shit. pakis have no common heritage to iranians afghans macedonias etc, they are a desi people just like indians
TWI08 1 year ago 2
macedonians were as greek as athenians or spartans...please find me 1 (ONE!) inscription from ancient macedonia in a non-greek language..
majortom51970 3 years ago
macedonians have many things in common with the celtic people. That's why Oliver stone has a lot of actors with irish accents in the cast.
Griesmayer 2 years ago
except irish accents
Joehand87 2 years ago
well it standard american accent is supposed to represent greek language in movies, then an other accent is required to represent the macedonian language, which is greek but with a different accent. Thus, irish was chosen, because it sounds different to american and is also linked with the celtic heritage.
Griesmayer 2 years ago
Angelina Jolie has a Greek accent in the movie, not an Irish one, and she is not supposed to be a Macedonian, but rather a "barbarian". So that means ur theory is that Greeks sound like Americans, Macedonians sound like Irish, and miscellaneous barbarians in Europe sound like Greeks......?
Joehand87 2 years ago
well they needed a third accent to distance angelina jolie from both greeks and macedonians. So what to take? French? Indian? Chinese? German? Instead, they rather took a crude version of English, like spoken by people in Eastern Europe.
Griesmayer 2 years ago
Alexander the Great was a Macedonian at a time where Macedonia had political control over Greece. And homosexuality and bisexuality were not the taboos that they seem to be now. Having a homosexual partner and being married to a woman (for political reasons or to raise children) weren't necessarily conflicting interests. The word "Mentor" is derived from the Greek language. Mentors were older men who took younger men under their tutelage and often engaged in homosexuality.
toddgaines 2 years ago
what you wrote to me about Macedonia and Alexander and homosexuality is very interesting, can you state your claim ? i mean where in history it is written that a) ancient Macedonians were not ancient Greeks, b) homos ? where it is written ? c) mentor ? give me a book,
socratis904 2 years ago
Yes, it is after the coming of Christianity only that Homosexuality became taboo.
For the ancient Greeks it is part of their culture .
sahajad 2 years ago 30
@sahajad Yes you are right, for the ancient greeks it was part of their culture and it still is a part of the culture of the modern greeks as of today, most of them still like it up their buttocks, but lets be clear and not mix ancient greeks with ANCIENT MACEDONIANS...
AleksJean21 1 year ago
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I do not think that the modern greeks are like that. They are been influenced by Orthodox Christianity so Homosexuality should be taboo over there.
But in Ancient Macedonia too this practise was there. Remember Alexander's father , Phillip of Macedon had also a boy lover called Pausanias !
sahajad 1 year ago
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@sahajad so was having sex with little boys
NinjaPuffer2 4 months ago
@toddgainesHAtred of hokosexuality and anything not "normal" is on the rise. I think we're entering another Dark Ages; the only difference from the last one is that it is controlled and manipulated by the insatiably greedy few. The world swings back and forth in never-ending cycles between darkness and light dominance; my hope for humanity is that we might live to see the final overthrow of this enslavement once and for all.
billyguns2 2 years ago
she doesnt look and completely black though, thats the thing. Egyptian maybe, Persian that is a bit of a stretch. Whateva, shes hot and the music is too and its RED, I love red!!! I like this one better than Bagoas' dance.
phoenixheffa 3 years ago
I still remember my astonishment first time I saw this scene
vusalgustav 3 years ago 3
Only an American would cast an African American as an Afghan princess. Apparently the message is if you are not European you may simply be categorized as "colored". The pompous idiocy of Europeans and of Oliver Stone.
TWI08 3 years ago
correct me if I am wrong but i am pretty damn sure she was not the princess as a matter of fact there was another actress who played the princess who wasn't African American. and that women who is dancing is not African American she is afro-cuban, irish, and native american decent.
Mizvictor07 3 years ago
afro cuban, irish and native american does not amount to central asian. whatever she is she obviously is not appropriate to play a central asian character princess or not. she wouldn't be cast as a european which according to you she is to some extent so what sense does it make to cast her as a centrala asian? the point being it's nonesensical no offense to her personally. she's great just wrong for the part.
TWI08 3 years ago
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you Afghan pride fools cry when Indians are cast as Afghans when most Afghans look indistinguishable from most Indians. Just admit you want a blonde haired, blue eyed Scarlett Johansen to play an Afghan so you can be satisfied in your racial stereotype which doesn't exist. Rosario Dawson is far more qualified to play an Afghan than some white girl and you know it.
Ghaffar1947 3 years ago
why would scarlet johanson be qualified to play an Afghan? she doesn't look Afghan. indians are dravidians and Afghans are iranic. Any Afgjhan who looks Indian has clearly mixed with Indians. I'm sorry Afghans are not europeans negros or dravidians. is that so complicated to understand? and don't impose your colonial era complex on others, personally i despise the red pinched faces and stony blue eyes of europeans.
russianRshit 3 years ago
If you have some anger about something take it to the appropriate place and not a discussion based on factual data.
russianRshit 3 years ago 5
Seriously, they are not any more european than they are black or indian. if you want to make movies based on historical events they should be depicted appropriately in both appearance and sequence of events otherwise change all the names of places and people and call it fiction.
TWI08 3 years ago 2
I served in Afghanistan and they didnt look like any Indians Ive seen. Id walk through the streets and see kids with the bluest eyes. The Aryan blood still flows in the mountains of Afghanistan.
CornerOf29th 3 years ago 4
aryan blood....make me laught
hasterion 3 years ago
buzz off desi, keep your self hating complex out of it, these are matters of fact
TWI08 1 year ago
i'm wondering why ethnicity is really that important of a consideration when casting a role like this.. the character is suppose to be exotic from what i gather and rosario dawson seems to fit that bill.. anyways.. arguing for authenticity in ethnicity or whatever it is you are doing seems a bit narrow or racist even given what the world is like today.. she wouldn't be cast as a european? what the fuck does that even mean? the understanding of what a european even is has drastically changed.
toddgaines 2 years ago
esa chica tiene las facciones de su cara muy toscas.. sin embargo.. es muy atractiva...
me parece buena actriz
BrendaCerati 3 years ago
i love her dance...amazing...:)
GuardianWarrior677 3 years ago 4