Turbine Robinson R66 Helicopter Starting

[baileyjean1000]

It looks like Barbie and Ken's yellow Malibu car is there to pick them up!

[huppypuppy]

N466R was the test R66!

[nick15515]

Were you at the safety course when you saw this, becuase it looks like thats where i was standing when i saw it spinnin up.

[michaelmiller85]

@nick15515 Yep. I took this May of 2008.

[rrhone]

Franz, you're a smartass. Why would anyone want to ask you about anything? Think about it. Must be nice knowing everything there is to know about everything. Rodger R.

[greg8698]

rrhone, thanks for your comments. Your right right, Franz is just being an asshole. Although, I pointed out that in order for Robinson to develop a helicopter with a lower mast they would have to redesign the ship from the ground up. His problem is he wants to question my knowledge and when I supply the answer he has no comment to make which makes him a fool!

[UNSMOOTHMOMENT]

Saw the R66 a few weeks ago still making test runs. Apparently the performance is great and hopefully we'll see it type certified in the following months into the new year.

[franzjosefnz]

For all the big mouth know it alls (who probably have never flown a robbie let alone done a principles of flight paper etc), read this article on robbie safety/crashes etc then feel free to write your apologies for your ignorance and uneducated comments below. untill then, enjoy your little computer simulations.

[frydog25]

Can't wait to fly it. Pistons are fun and all but i want more power!

[TheBatSave]

Do not fly with helicopters like this one is not safe

[bucknaked466f]

SUCH A BEAST

[therealdeal989]

turbins are what you wear on your head, I assume you mean turbine (terbine)

[michaelmiller85]

The Hughes 369 is the same is the MD500, just to let you know.

[greg8698]

Thanks but I did already know that. The only reason I mentioned the 369 was because that was Hughes designation for the aircraft until MD bought out Hughes and changed it to the MD500.

[jtorch1116]

I dont get it that helicopter has two blads and so does the Bell UH-1 and its load why isnt that helicopter load like the huey?

[greg8698]

Because the Huey produces more "blade slap" than the Robinson does.

[jtorch1116]

So your saying the Huey has a stronger engine? I think it does

[greg8698]

Not necessarily. It depends which Huey model you are talking about. The original Huey, model UH-1A had a Lycoming T53-L-1 turboshaft engine that produced 770 SHP (shaft horse power) but was seriously underpowered. Over the years there were numerous changes to the Huey as upgraded engines were used until it was finally converted to a twin engine aircraft. The newest model, UH-1Y is a twin engined 4 main rotor blade aircraft. Google Huey and you can see all the variants.

[greg8698]

I'm not sure what engine is being used in the Robinson R-66 but most aircraft of this type such as the MD500D use a Rolls-Royce 250-C20B which generates 420 SHP. But, the SHP really doesn't have anything to do with "Blade Slap" Google Blade Slap and read the various articles and you will get a better understanding as to what causes it and the loud whopping sound you hear.

[greg8698]

After checking, the R-66 is powered by a Rolls Royce RR300 Turboshaft engine that produces 300 SHP for takeoff, 240 hp max continuous, and 220 hp in cruise flight. This compares to 420 hp takeoff power in a modern JetRanger. That is no where near what the original Huey engine produced. But, the Huey is a much larger and heavier aircraft. Still, Blade Slap has nothing to do with how much HP the engine produces.

[casinosquare1]

Hey jj, are you sure about those stats , or have you totalled ALL the other types together. Then it sounds right.

[jjohnson5946]

Well these stats are straight from the FAA...so I myself didn't total anything up. I'm sure the FAAs definition of "similar training helicopters" include light piston engine helicopters such as the 300 etc. used for training and do not include turbine aircraft or commercial operation statistics. I'm just another aviator, and accident statistics is not my specialty so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[casinosquare1]

There is no way on this earth that those stats can be attributed to, (not that I'm disagreeing with you personally) 300's, Enstroms, 47's.....safe as houses...R-whatever's...tricky­. I'm gonna check with the FAA. Where did you see these figures please?

[casinosquare1]

Ok, getting the figures is a challenge....I've checked three

unbiased and responsible sources at random and at best the R22, over the last 15 years, the accident rate is double anything comparable and at worse triple. Yes I'm satisfied my initial assumption of totalling the rest was correct. a) I smell a rat, ( With Robinson, nothing new there then) and b) Anyone with any flight knowledge at all can see they are a far less 'forgiving' craft, so obviously more potential for accidents

[casinosquare1]

66? Huh, has it still got the stupid cyclic...I hope so, ha!

[obese1konobe]

Waste of a good engine.

Still got that teetering head, thats what needs replacing, not the power plant!!

[greg8698]

Really, I wish Robinson would design a helicopter without that tall mast they use. It makes their helicopter look damn ugly especially when one compares it to a Hughes 369 or the Schweitzer 333 or the MD500. And you can't tell me they can't do it.

[obese1konobe]

Like many things if it looks right it is. The R22 and R44 have huge masts to mitigate (not prevent) in flight slicing and dicing of the tail boom (not good!!) Euphermistically called mast "bumping".

The "safety course" is to try and warn pilots about this flaw in the design. You don't EVER want to pull negative g in either of these machines, (turbulence will do this for you,). Thats why these types FAIL the wife and kids test. I'm never happy flying these types. a compromise, cost/safety

[franzjosefnz]

with your superior engineering knowledge and passion for robbies I suggest you apply for a job with frank and present your ideas, if they are not accepted then I suppose thats why you are wasting space on youtube and franks the man with his own choppers etc.

[greg8698]

What's wrong with me making a comment and then providing additional information to someone who has a question? Absolutely nothing. You have wasted more space than anyone with your cocky attitude which doesn't score many points with most people. If you don't like my comments no one is forcing you to read them, as far as I know. Your simply making an ass out of yourself but, my guess is that you already know that. Hell, I bet your dog won't even play with you.

[franzjosefnz]

you say "you cant tell me they cant do it" so since you know this please tell us how they could do it? for those of us that are interested, no need for the dog jokes in your next answer, just back up your statement with your obvious knowledge, also its a bit rich comparing a lightweight robbie with a turbine 5oo design or a 3 bladed design, in my humble opinion a 300 is slightly more ugly than a 22/44. differant engine/flight characteristics/design require differant looks.simple

[greg8698]

In answer to your question, first Robinson would have to redesign both the main fuselage and the tail boom. The reason for the current tall mast is because the fuselage is so short that to just lower the mast would result in a tail boom strike by the main rotor blades. So, my comment about a slightly lower mast would require them to design a totally new aircraft.

[rrhone]

Greg, nothing wrong at all. Keep commenting and asking. That's why we are here.

[helobelow]

For the record or any one just wants to talk shit....Robbies in my opinion are one of the most unsafe helicopters out there....I said it I mean it and i dont really care if you dont like it Ive flown quite a few.

[yumyumsashimi]

Goes to show how ignorant people are blaming the helicopter for crashing. HelloooOO theirs a man flying it.. The same people would put blame on a car crashing and not the driver. Clueless ignorant fools.

[helobelow]

Do you know what the "S" insfar stands for....SPECIAL. Why would you need such Special regs I wonder? Because it has safety issues that where killing people and it is recommended by the NTSB to improve the safety record. Inexperienced piulots fly many aircraft and they dont get stamped with an SFAR....you get your facts straight youngen'....especially if your flyin robbies.

[emforty2]

Worlds #1 Selling piston helicopters by number

The Turbine version will make its competitors cry just watch

[lahainalun]

Well boys I've flown most all of them. From UH1 in Viet Nam, Bell Jet Rangers, Hughes and all the Robinson's. There's NOTHING wrong with the Robinson, nothing. For a relative low cost, easy to operate helo it's ugly, but for the personal market, some police ops and traffic, it's a great machine. You need ot fly every machine within it's capacity. Well, maybe except the UH1, you can beat the crap out of that helo and it'll keep flyin.

[uploadJ]

Good to know; TNX for your input.

[nealshireman]

@lahainalun yeah my city's police(el monte, CA) has 3 R-44s

[michaelmiller85]

I can only speak for myself and the safety record for the R22 and R44, but I love these aircraft. Granted they do not look the best but as long as you are properly trained and don't exceed the limitations of the aircraft, it is a very safe and reliable platform.

The safety course isn't required in order to fly either the R22 or R44. Mostly it is an insurance thing. The company I work for doesn't require it but I took it anyway. It was an awesome course to take!

[helobelow]

Robinson...the only helicopter that requires an SFAR to fly it, Duh? I wonder why you need to pass a safety course to fly it, maybe it,s because its unsafe...ya think? LOL. Yeh I was young and dumb when I flew one.

[jjohnson5946]

The SFAR was put in place simply because they were crashing robinsons....not because they were unsafe but because they quickly became a primary training aircraft with inexperienced "pilots" at the controlls, they needed to regulate somehow. Robinson helicopters them self have an excellent safety record.

[jjohnson5946]

Second..maybe you should get your facts straight before you post like you know what your talking about...you do not NEED to pass the safety course to fly a robinson (bell has a safety course, does that make them "unsafe") safety courses are educational, (witch you cannot fail) and most insurance companys require these courses no matter what you fly, robinson, bell whatever it is.

[jjohnson5946]

The last two post were meant for helobelow...fly safe

[helobelow]

How about you learn to fly before you comment. Johnson.

[jjohnson5946]

Fact: SFAR-73 was designed in part because certain aerodynamic and design features of the aircraft cause specific flight characteristics that require particular pilot awareness and responsiveness. The small size and relatively low operating costs of this helicopter made it popular as a training or small utility aircraft. Thus, a significant number of the pilots operating R22 helicopters were relatively inexperienced.

I have flown the 44 for years and I have never fallen out of the sky.

[jjohnson5946]

The accident rate for the Robinson R-22 and R-44 per 100,000 hours of flight is 10.48. While the accident rate is slightly lower than the accident rate of

11.66 per 100,000 hours of flight for similar training helicopters.

[helobelow]

SFAR hrs are needed in addition to your rating hrs to complete your certificate in a Robbie my friend....that sounds like precautionary safety to me bub! What is th FAR for? SAFETY! The whole code is written to IMPROVE SAFETY fella!

[TEXWAKE]

I wish the other choppers were not running so i could hear it alittle better

[GNaranjoN]

Robinsons have a very good aerodinamic I have flown an R44 Raven II and its beautifull

[helobelow]

Oh no not another Robby to fall apart in the sky...lol. Do you have to wear Nomex when operating this one too?

[shaneo0306]

shut the fuck up dip shit.

[franzjosefnz]

mechanically the most sound choppers ever built, end of story.

[helobelow]

Now thats funny. The story actually ends at the scene of the crash site...lol.

[rrhone]

exactly

[NZPilot]

Good shape...like a sperm with a funny hat.

All Robinson products have pretty bad looks. Not the nicest airframes I have seen.

[TEXTUDO]

no it has good shape! go ahed frank...

[NZPilot]

Still a butt ugly helicopter. Ole Frank needs to work on improving the looks on his aircraft.

[douro20]

Allison 250 powered isn't it?

[JoMo91]

it has the latest RR300, a newer version of the allison/RR250 series!

[rodrigoagricola]

!!! MARAVILHOSO !!!

[n2dauphin]

Holy crap..the rumors are true..cool catch

[helicopterR22]

sweet jezus i cant wait