"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
You can research for yourself and get the facts; however, Christ alread said that the man of sin will "think to change times and laws", and he has done so "think" to change it. (Dan 7:25)
We are not sure which day this person has in mind. The Seventh-day is the Sabbath; however, the devil has people claiming the first day as their sabbath day which is not based on scripture. This is why we have to be so careful when listening to people and be like the Bereans and PRAYERFULLY STUDY FOR OURSELVES.
On the website "Jesus-Is-Savior" it claims that Christians who keep the Sabbath of the Bible are Satan worshipers LOL. Let's expose David J. Stewart (Owner/Author of website) about his multiple felonies for having sex with under age girls and child abuse... also some more interesting things found HERE
I love this idea, I'v been strongly convicted about breaking away from the Tech on the sabbath. what they are promoting, i think, is a good thing. Expecially doing it on the Day that God calles HIS SABBATH, saturday, the seventh-day.
i thought it was a good message, i'm glad CNN put it up. people live more for technology these days than spending time with their parents and loved ones. by all means, take a break like he suggests. hehe, easier said than done ;)
God isnt concernd about an exact day lol sda is a cult clearly read colosians 2:16. sda is adding to jesus' finished work on the cross this is why not many if ne are truly born again there putting there faith in the sabbath and diet rather than jesus. read ephesains 2:8-9 for by grace are we saved through faith and not of works lest any man shoul boast. stop puting peoples aka ellen g whites teachings above jesus' sda is clearly a cult. repent turn from sin and put your trust in christ alone
@mamainmancj The thing is you are only saying this because you are confused. Sda is not saying we are not saved by faith. Just because we worship on saturday doesnt mean we just become a group of cults. We are not saying that you have to worship on saturday. You can be saved by faith. We just want to worship on saturday. THATS IT!
@TheCallunxz I wish I never had to work on Saturday because it really is the 7th day. But I take a Sabbath once a week. Nothing gets in the way of that. Everyone needs a time to rest in God and refresh the body and spirit otherwise we will burn out.
@mamainmancj You are clearly speaking with no knowledge of what we are taught.... What God meant, was that we cannot "not kill" and be saved. He didn't make the Ten Commandments for Jesus, he made them for us. Why would he create a law, with his own finger....Then send his son to come and do it. Jesus did not sin. Please pray and ask God to guide your reading... Too many people are misinformed on this subject, accusing SDA of being legalistic. This is not the case at all
@mamainmancj You are clearly speaking with no knowledge of what we are taught.... What God meant, was that we cannot "not kill" and be saved. He didn't make the Ten Commandments for Jesus, he made them for us. Why would he create a law, with his own finger....Then send his son to come and do it. Jesus did not sin. Please pray and ask God to guide your reading... Too many people are misinformed on this subject, accusing SDA of being legalistic. This is not the case at all
@mamainmancj You are clearly speaking with no knowledge of what we are taught.... What God meant, was that we cannot "not kill" and be saved. He didn't make the Ten Commandments for Jesus, he made them for us. Why would he create a law, with his own finger....Then send his son to come and do it. Jesus did not sin. Please pray and ask God to guide your reading... Too many people are misinformed on this subject, accusing SDA of being legalistic. This is not the case at all
This guy doesn't realize he's working for the vatican, the nwo, the coming global religion based on satanism. The majority love to party. It will likely come to a vote and the majority who have not a love for the truth will choose sunday. The sun worship day. baal day (little b) You watch. They love to allow people to build their own cages. In the end they will say...you chose and because it's a majority they will enforce it. That's democracy for you.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The ten commandments of course.
I guess you haven't done a search on it. The same phrase is used in Luke 24:44....
Luk 24:44 ¶ And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God...
...persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.
You can see that the word Law, in the phrase "the law and the prophets" is expounded on and you see exactly what it is referring to, "the law of Moses and the prophets". Did you know that the hebrew scriptures were split into three sections
"The law" - also called the Torah, or the law of Moses, first five books of our bible
"The prophets" - also called Nevi'im, which includes the following books: Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
And the last but not least section..
"The Writings" - also called Ketuvim, which includes Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Nehemiah, and Chronicles.
you can see evidence in this in Luke 24:44 when Jesus quoted the...
law of Moses, and the prophets, but kept the Psalms separate from the first two because the Psalms is not part of the first two sections but rather is part of the "writings". Luke 24:44 is basically a repeat of what he told them in Matthew 5 about how he came not to destroy the law of Moses or the prophets, but to fulfill, and that not one jot or tittle could pass from the law of Moses till all be fulfilled.
There are also other passages which use this phrase, and you can tell that the law....
law of Moses, and the prophets, but kept the Psalms separate from the first two because the Psalms is not part of the first two sections but rather is part of the "writings". Luke 24:44 is basically a repeat of what he told them in Matthew 5 about how he came not to destroy the law of Moses or the prophets, but to fulfill, and that not one jot or tittle could pass from the law of Moses till all be fulfilled.
There are also other passages which use this phrase, and you can tell that the law....
law of Moses, and the prophets, but kept the Psalms separate from the first two because the Psalms is not part of the first two sections but rather is part of the "writings". Luke 24:44 is basically a repeat of what he told them in Matthew 5 about how he came not to destroy the law of Moses or the prophets, but to fulfill, and that not one jot or tittle could pass from the law of Moses till all be fulfilled.
There are also other passages which use this phrase, and you can tell that the law....
Thus if some peoples understanding of this verse is true, that the law still stands because not all is fulfilled yet because heaven and earth are still standing then the entire law of Moses is still bound to you, and you must obey all it's precepts, all its commands, every single one.
Thus if some peoples understanding of this verse is true, that the law still stands because not all is fulfilled yet because heaven and earth are still standing then the entire law of Moses is still bound to you, and you must obey all it's precepts, all its commands, every single one.
@Myhopeisinhim the commandments are a guide for the unsaved. If they are done away with how are the unsaved to know they are sinning? For the saved, we are saved by faith through grace and transformed over time. The unsaved must have a standard.
@Myhopeisinhim@Myhopeisinhim the commandments are a guide for the unsaved. If they are done away with how are the unsaved to know they are sinning? For the saved, we are saved by faith through grace and transformed over time. The unsaved must have a standard.
I'll happily talk about that shortly, but I want to stick with this passage currently instead of moving on to another topic. Do you see how matthew 5 does mean the law of Moses though, and not simply the ten commandments?
Please re-read my message, the fact Jesus says it again in Luke 24:44 and specifically refers to it as the law of Moses, show's it is the law of Moses he came to fulfill and not destroy. The phrase "law and the prophets" is the first two sections of the hebrew bible. The law being the Torah, the law of Moses...the prophets being the second section.
It specifically calls it the law of Moses when he repeats himself in Luke 24:44.
Please re-read my message, the fact Jesus says it again in Luke 24:44 and specifically refers to it as the law of Moses, show's it is the law of Moses he came to fulfill and not destroy. The phrase "law and the prophets" is the first two sections of the hebrew bible. The law being the Torah, the law of Moses...the prophets being the second section of the hebrew bible starting at Joshua.
Jesus specifically calls it the law of Moses when he repeats himself in Luke 24:44.
The phrase "the law and the prophets" carries the same meaning throughout the scriptures, it doesn't mean one thing in one passage and another thing in another.
@Myhopeisinhim The law of moses is the ten commandments. Are you telling me that the disciples of Jesus and Jesus himself did not keep the sabbath? I'm not speaking of the rabbinic law that made sabbath keeping impossible. I'm speaking of the keeping of the sabbath together as a day of worship. The breaking of bread together on the sabbath among believers at that time.
The law of Moses is the entire Torah. The first five books of our bible. I believe that the sabbath was a shadow of the rest we'd receive in Christ. That it was a shadow but Christ is the reality of that shadow. That coming to him we find rest.
@Myhopeisinhim The jews have knowledge of the torah and not the new covenant. We have knowledge of the new covenant and not the torah. Ephesians 2. We will break down the dividing wall and one day soon worship together in spirit and in truth (without the politics and religion) We will together celebrate the feast days of our lord that have yet to be fulfilled. He fulfilled in his life and death all of the spring feasts, he is soon to fulfill all of the fall feasts.
@artsychic2000 Exodus 20:1 does start off with saying "AND GOD SPAKE ALL THESE WORDS,SAYING..." It does not say Moses spoke those words that we label as the ten commandments, but rather God did. "Man shall not live by bread alone BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD" Those words came out of the mouth of God, so those are words that man must live by.
just a heads up Jesus said the two greatest commandments summed up the whole law, not just the ten commandments. The entire book of the law of the Lord.
See, even CNN agrees with the meaning of the Sabbath's word !
Saturn is a pagan God. This name was appointed to a day by the Catholic church, and the Sunday too (witch mean day of the Sun, is adoration of the pagan God and Egyptian God RA). The Sabbath is the correct name for the 7th day "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God" (Exod. 20:10)
@Myhopeisinhim Concerning the law proclaimed from Sinai, Nehemiah says, “Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments.” Nehemiah 9:13. And Paul, “the apostle to the Gentiles,” declares, “The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” Romans 7:12. This can be no other than the Decalogue; for it is the law that says, “Thou shalt not covet.” Verse 7. – {PP 365.2} While
I personally believe that its the separation of the law of God from what some call the ceremonial laws that causes the problem. The law of Moses IS the law of God in its entirety. That is the old system, which includes the ten commandments.
At the conclusion of the book of the law, this statement was made:
Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which Jehovah hath commanded Moses to make with the sons of Israel in the land of Moab, apart from the covenant which He made with them in Horeb (This was Sinai).
@Myhopeisinhim The law of Moses is made up of 3 laws: 10 commandments, judgments, ceremonies. Only the 10 commandments are the Law of God. Why? Because that's the only Law that is the definition of sin. The judgments were on what God's judicial officers in His government were supposed to do in response to an injustice or abominable acts. The ceremonies were shadows pointing to the reality of how God brings salvation.
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd} Furthermore, the 10 commandments is the only one which is part of the Old Covenant that Paul references to as being replaced. Therefore, the 10C is the only one that is being mentioned whenever Paul mentions the Old Cov.
And since only the 10C define sin (abominable acts fall under covet btw), it's the only Law of God that can condemn us as sinners. There's a reason why God both spoke and wrote it instead of all the other laws.
@iMattCi The ten commandments are not the only commandments that define sin, otherwise BESTIALITY, HOMOSEXUALITY, FORNICATION, INCEST, SORCERY, WITCHCRAFT, NECROMANCY, CHANNELING & TRAFFICKING WITH DEMONS would not be sin!
What it means to be under the New Covenant, is to FULFILL the Law by keeping it in Spirit, which means if you have the Holy Spirit you will not practice ANYTHING sinful & since you won't be sinning, you won't need a written law, because God's law will be written in your heart!
@ciaranofseir Bestiality, homosexuality, fornication = covet that which God did not sanction at Creation. Incest= dishonor of parents. Magic, necromancy, spiritualism=treating other agencies as more powerful and higher than God, meaning having other gods before Him.
The 10C cover every single sin that can be thought of, that's why it's the definition of sin. Jesus explained in the Sermon on the Mount that the Law is more than just the words, it's the principle behind it.
@iMattCi89, What if I marry my sister, without the law of Moses, how have I sinned? Fornication is not necessarily coveting, what if I have sex for someone I don't even like, to help her get pregnant, because she wants a baby? If I don't even like her, and I am doing it with the motive of getting her pregnant, out of charity.. how would that be coveting? It is not adultery, because neither of us are married, but it is still sin, and the sin of fornication is clearly defined; in the law of Moses!
@ciaranofseir Sin does not cover just the breaking of the Law, it's also deviation from how God created it to be; deviations are the result of sin being present at all.
1) If you marry your sister, you dishonor your parents. Levitical rule on this is an application just as much as how Jesus said that if you look at a woman with lust at all, you commit adultery. It's not strictly in the letter, but the application, the spirit of the Law, forbids it.
2) If you don't even like some1 and offer to be a surrogate, then you're cheapening the value of the sacred union God instituted at Eden and take His Name as Creator in vain. Doing it out of charity does not make it right. Sex and reproduction isn't something to be trifled with lightly; it's a symbol of God's creative power, the ability to create an individual.
@iMatt The point is, if there is no law, there is no transgression
"because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression." Rm4:15
The law given to Israel has not passed away, but a true believer in Christ is not under law, IF he truly walks in the Spirit, but the evidence he's walking in the Spiirt is he will fulfill the RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW, which means walking in love, which means not breaking the commandments! Fornication is not always coveting!
@ciaranofseir That's a misunderstanding of the Greek word used. It's translation does not convey its implication. There's hupotasso (obedience/subject) and there's hupo (under/beneath). Hupo is derogatory, implying a forced relationship where one is inferior. Hupotasso is willing compliance. If you don't separate these 2, you'd be confused by Paul's statements in Romans 7:22, 25 and 8:7 and you'd be taking him out of vocabulary context.
Dont forget the Sabbath In Ezekiel it mentions a lot also in Deut. Verily i gave them my Sabbaths that it should be a SIGN between me and them that they may know I AM THE LORD (YHWH) that does Sanctify them!
@iMattCi89, Oh one other thing, Necromancy is trying to contact spirits of the dead! Many times, people who practice it are grieving for dead loved ones, & just want to get in touch and talk to them once again!
King Saul partook in it by getting a witch to appear to summon the spirit of the Prophet Samuel. These things are ABOMINATION unto God, and are defined clearly as sin in the LAW OF MOSES!
@ciaranofseir Once again, just because the intentions are good, does not make the action good. Uzzah thought he should prevent the Ark from toppling, but God's instructions were clear: No manhandling except for the priests. So God killed him for the disrespect. Uzzah cheapened the value of the Ark as something that could not protect itself from toppling.
As for King Saul, it wasn't Samuel who was summoned. The Bible does not say that we are conscious after death, which is why witches were slain
@iMat Saul was not actually talking to Samuel, but to a demon, but the point is, his intent was not to worship another god, or hold some other deity higher than God, his intent was to try to contact Samuel to get council from the true God, but he did this by DISOBEYING God's law that forbids consulting a witch & partaking in the occult! The ten commandments to not specifically forbid consulting a witch or those with familiars, but the law of MOSES DOES! Saul transgressed the law of Moses & DIED!
@ciaranofseir No, it wasn't because he broke the law of Moses, it's because he listened to the demon. God did not say he was going to be killed, the demon did. God cut Saul off from communication. The penalty wasn't death anyway, according to the law of Moses. The penalty was excommunication from Israel.
@iMatt The penalty for trafficking with demons, or having familiars, was DEATH!
‘A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.’” Leviticus 20:27-31
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Exodus 22:18
The point is.. it is possible to use an Ouija board to try to contact dead loved ones, not to hold other gods higher than the true God, but the law of Moses; SPECIFICALLY forbids this!
@ciaranofseir It says those who practice those were to be put to death. It doesn't say anything about those who consult them.
And it is not possible to contact the dead loved ones. Jesus said that death is a sleep, and Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10 says that once someone dies, there's no consciousness, no knowledge, no emotions. That's why God forbade it; if you believe it was possible, then the devil and his angels can easily impersonate someone to fool you.
@iMat I am aware the dead are asleep in their graves & cannot be contacted, but that isn't the point. Some (or most) people do not understand that the dead are asleep in their graves & consult with spiritists with the sincere INTENT to contact a dead loved one, or like in Saul's case, to contact Samuel, not to worship another god. If Saul knew Samuel was asleep in his grave it makes no sense at all that he would have tried to summon him, & the law of Moses FORBIDS attempting to contact the dead!
@ciaranofseir Thing is, Saul very likely did not know that the dead are asleep. The reason for this is that God did not explain the reasoning behind every law. "Why circumcision instead of some other sign of faith?" "Why'd he give say those specific animals weren't to be eaten?" "Why can't anyone but the High Priest enter the Holiest?" The earliest statements on the state of the dead were after the time of Saul; notably David and Solomon,who were close with God (David) and blessed by His Spirit.
@iMat Yes that is what I said. Saul didn't know, nor do many (or most) people today, The law of Moses is still valid today. It's the law of Moses that gives instruction in areas like this.
I am not sure I understand what you're trying to say. First you seemed to be saying only the ten commandments are valid, but then you seemed to be saying we should keep the whole law of Moses. Neither extreme is correct.
Gentile believes should walk in the Spirit fulfilling the 10 commandments & the MORAL law!
@ciaranofseir which is why we are to test all things INCLUDING Saul of Tarsus!!! there are many things about Saul *Paul* which counterdict Yahshua and Yahshua Warned us about this one of the things he said was i come in my Fathers name and you do not receive me but ANOTHER comes in his own name him you will receive... example I Paul an appostle of .... He has A LOT OF personal Pronouns throughout his letter's and Yahshua also said If you love me Keep my Commandment's
@w Paul never said Gentiles didn't have to keep the Sabbaths & as far as the RITUALS of the law, it WAS NOT only Paul who said Gentiles didn't have to keep ALL the Ceremonial law, but the OTHER Apostles; & it also seemed good to the HOLY SPIRIT (God)! If you're going to say Gentiles MUST be circumcised & keep the WHOLE law to be saved, you're going AGAINST the decision of the OTHER Apostles, including Peter, & also the HOLY SPIRIT! You also CONDEMN YOURSELF, as YOU are not keeping the whole law!
You think fulfilling the Law means we don't need to keep its written form. Well, no. What was fulfilled of the Law was its righteous demand: that we die for our sins. This does not mean the written Law was done away with.
And how is the law God writes in our heart is any different from the 10C? If you say it's the law of love, that's wrong, because when Jesus said "love the Lord/others", it's the same summary of the 10C given in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
@iMat Yes the righteous demand of the law was satisfied, because Jesus died in our stead, But I do not believe this is all of what it means, for the law to be fulfilled! I believe what Jesus meant by the law being fulfilled, is that He kept it perfectly, by walking perfectly in the Spirit of God & that those who are begotten of the Holy Spirit, will FULFILL the righteous requirement of the law, by walking in LOVE in Spirit! If you have the Spiirt of God & walk in the Spirit, you FULFILL the law!
@ciaranofseir Indeed you will! However, it makes a contradiction when you do break the Law if you walk in the Spirit. If you do deliberately break the Law and you claim to be led by the Spirit, then that implies that the Spirit led you to deliberately sin.
That's why we emphasize the Sabbath, because it's the one that many Christians think no longer needs to be kept. But if you truly were led by the Spirit, you'd be consistent with the Law, b/c the Law is spirit.
@iMat I do honor the Sabbath & the righteous requirements of the law, but I do not have to keep all the ceremonies & rituals the law prescribes, & the reason is, the Apostles had a meeting led by the Holy Spirit & decided that Gentile believers do not have to keep the whole law of Moses, but only part of it (the righteous requirements)!
The ceremonies & rituals were not part of the righteous requirements (Walking in love= To love & serve God with all your heart & love your neighbor as yourself).
@ciaranofseir Ok, so you're not against keeping the 10 commandments, but you consider it part of the law of Moses and that we only need to keep this part. Did I sum it up right?
@iMat You did not sum it up right. The righteous requirements of the law are parts of the law having to do with MORALITY, how we TREAT OTHERS, honoring days God has sanctified, & refraining from eating what is unclean. Being unclean till evening If you accidentally touch a menstruating woman Lev15:19 is part of the ceremonial law, & I do not think a believer is under those parts of the law.
Read Acts 15:28-29 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit; not to burden Gentile believers with the whole law!
@ciaranofseir this vs was brought to me and i have nothing to refute except we cant base our whole doctrine on one scripture theyre are many more before and after mentioning about keeping Gods commandments
sacrifice was to lead to Christ however Jesus said If you love me Keep my commandments, in revelation Patience to the saints who KEep the commandments of God and hav e Jesus as testimony
also and the dragon was at wrought with the remnant of the seed who keep the commandments of God
@w The confusion I believe is mistaking the ceremonial law, for the MORAL law! If you're going to say we have to keep the ENTIRE law, you're condemning yourself, because you're not keeping it!
I believe we still have to keep the Sabbath/Sabbaths, refrain from unclean meat, & fulfill the 10 commandments in SPIRIT, by keeping them even MORE strictly than just keeping them in letter! Paul was talking about circumcision not being required if you keep the righteous requirements of the law!
@My the ceremonial law was rituals like circumcision, that did not have anything to do with actually LIVING RIGHTEOUSLY!
PAUL MAKES A DISTINCTION! READ!
"The one who is not circumcised physically & YET OBEYS THE LAW will condemn you who, even though you have the written code & circumcision, are a LAWBREAKER." Rm2:27
"Circumcision is nothing & uncircumcision is nothing, but KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD is what matters."1Cr7:19
Gentiles didn't need to keep the rituals, but JEWISH believers DID!
@M There's ONE LAW, summed up in LOVING God with ALL YOUR HEART & LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF!
"For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness, “You shall not covet,”and if there is any other commandment, are all SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW." Rm13:9
@ciaranofseir You are leaving something out. Jesus said that THE TEN COMMANDMENTS are summed up by loving the Lord with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself. Its just a summary, it doesnt mean the commandments arent in effect.
@lexscripta1, You are preaching to the choir. I believe the Sabbath & 10 commandments are in EFFECT! I also believe what Paul said about Gentile believers not having to be under all the rituals like circumcision!
"Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?" Romans 2:26
@ciaranofseir Jesus also said think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophet ,not one jot not one tittle will by no means pass away from the law TILL heaven and earth pass away and all prophecy is fulfilled
@woofmomma The law has not passed away .. but a believer is not under the rituals of the law. If one believes and fulfills the righteous requirements of the law... he is COUNTED as having done the rituals, even if he hasn't!
Don't think I am one of the heretics who say Jesus abolished his law & grace is a license to sin! We still need to honor the Sabbaths & refrain from unclean food, but if we believe & obey the righteous requirements of the law.. we will be COUNTED as having done the rituals!
@iMat If you've been reading my other posts, you should know I'm not one of those who say, we can just walk in love & live in sin. That is self contradictory! If you walk perfectly in true Godly love, YOU WON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT SIN, let alone live in it!
What I'm saying is what Paul said, that LOVE does no harm to a neighbor so fulfills the law! As long as you have the Holy Spirit & walk in the Spirit, you won't even THINK about stealing, LYING, ADULTERY, MURDERING etc, so love fulfills the law!
@ciaranofseir Exactly right! However, you can't just say "love", because love needs to be defined. In the New Testament, love has 3 words: eros, filia, agape. God gave the 10 commandments as definitions for love. "Love God and your neighbor" are summaries of the 10 commandments. If you love God, you'd keep all 10. If you love your neighbor, you'd keep the last 6.
So what's stopping you from keeping the whole Law if you are indeed led by the Spirit?
@iMat Yes Love fulfills the law! If you love you won't even meditate on breaking the commandments or ANY of the righteous requirements of the law, let alone actually physically break them! Keeping the law in letter by not committing adultery, means not to physically have sexual intercourse with your neighbors wife! Keeping the law in SPIRIT, means you do not even mediate or THINK in a lustful way about your neighbors wife. you don't even HARBOR THE THOUGHT! If you Love, you will fulfill the law!
@ciaranofseir Simply put, don't say we don't need the written Law, and don't confuse the 10 commandments with the judgments and ceremonies. Only the 10 commandments were written by God, the judgments and ceremonies were spoken only.
The law of love is the 10C; if you love, you won't be willing to break the 10C. They're not in contradiction. However, you can't say "I just love and that's all" either because you're a fallible human being like me. We don't know what true love is, which is why God listed the law of love out in the 10C, to educate us on what true love really is.
@Myhopeisinhim As an aside, if you want to prove your point, you'll need to find a reference to the judgments and ceremonies in the New Testament in which Jesus or the disciples mention as defining sin.
I have to mention though, this instance where Jesus said to keep the commandments, sell all riches to give to the poor and follow Him [Matt 19:17-21]. And Jesus specified which ones: the 10 commandments.
@Myhope I was wondering if you can explain, If all the law of Moses has passed away, Why did Paul still observe the law of Moses?
"they have been told about you (Paul) that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs."
Paul went to the Temple..
"Thus all will know that THERE IS NOTHING IN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT YOU, but that you yourself also LIVE IN OBSERVANCE OF THE LAW. " Acts21:21
@ ciaranofseir There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to his sacrifice and his priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the hebrews until type met antitype in the death of C
@ciaranofseir yes I agree with you that Jesus fulfilled the law and he kept all the commandments. All I'm saying is that Jesus's reason for being sent to earth is more than that.
Scholars of worth agree, Greek word 4 justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous glory of the gospel Go to sleep w insurance of internal life. Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him Rom4:8
Our Lord died as our representative,In my place He stood, sealed me w His blood. Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful. More then forgiveness it's acquittal, God says, I will count u as u never sinned. Imputation of the merits of Christ
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith! Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over you all your days. Long as you keep your eye on Him you can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. I am accepted in the beloved by the grace of God
Its reckoned , it happened outside of us, our salvation is in heaven, thats why we can't loose it, as long as I keep my eye on Christ
I to the law die to the law, until u die to the law & live to Christ as a method of salvation u lost When focus is on law we have a tendency to break it. When focus is on Christ we tend to keep it naturally Otherwise 1's claiming saved by works our righteousness, if this is the case then 1 has fallen from grace OT believer & not a NT follower. Sin isn't a act, its a attitude. Old vs New - ratified by Christ, if not,,this would be adultery to claim Christ but follow the old cov
Some think sins are 4given when they come in, then roll up there sleeves to get right w God. They understand not Law of God requires perfect thoughts,desires,motives, word all ur days,1 slip ur a goner. Can u truly claim ur sinless YN
Distinguish Root & Fruit. Root 4 the Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is obedience, obedience is not perfect because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness - trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
@Myhopeisinhim I believe in having bible reference in all I say because it is written in Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. It makes a difference know we are not saying it but the word of God says it.
@ciaranofseir I pray that you ask God for wisdom and understanding to understand the scriptures. When Jesus said that he did not com to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Throughout the book of Matthew and Luke you can see what he meant by that. "For it is written, the son of man will be delivered to the hands of men". I'm paraphrasing, also Jesus abolished the ceremonial law being that we don have to burn offerings to God because we have the ultimate offering which is Jesus Christ. The obser
@zilogd I already have wisdom & understanding, because I HAVE been BORN of the Spirit of God & God dwells in me! You are the one who needs understanding!
Jesus fulfilling the law meant He kept it perfect, because He walked in PERFECT LOVE & if we are born of His Spirit, He will dwell in us & we will ALSO walk in His LOVE & LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW!
Gentiles if they're born of the Spirit don't have to be circumcised, or keep the ceremonial ordinances, but the Gentile Church was keeping the Sabbaths!
@Myhopeisinhim Didnt Jesus also come to to destroy the ceremonial law. So why then follow it. Can you tell me the bible scriptures of the feasts of God.
@zilogd Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it & if Paul was really teaching that the sabbath was ABOLISHED & Christians should observe some other day, then why did the Pharisees NEVER ONCE ACCUSE HIM OF THIS? Do you really think that the Pharisees who wanted to KILL Jesus for healing on the Sabbath .. would just overlook Paul teaching that the Sabbath was completely abolished & never once even mention it?
Paul KEPT the Feasts of God himself, as did the Gentile Churches!
@Myhop The Pharisees hated Paul for preaching Christ! The elders told him the Jews "have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs." The elders had him go to the Temple after the days of purification so "that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are NOTHING, but that you yourself also WALK ORDERLY & KEEP THE LAW."
It's not so much that Jesus destroyed the law, but fulfilled it. The best way I've learned to describe this is by taking the modern concept of a contract. The contract is binding to both parties until the term of that contract is fulfilled.
The terms and conditions of the covenant were left unfulfilled until Jesus came and fulfilled them himself in our place, drawing the contract to a close and allowing us to enter into a new covenant with God and receive eternal life.
We couldn't enter into a new covenant with God, a new contract with God, until the terms of the old were completed. We couldn't benefit until it was, and Jesus came to fulfill that contract. That is why the law was only to last until the seed should come because he would fulfill it in a way no other man had ever been able to.
@Myhop The good news is, the Bible itself explains what it means for the law to be fulfilled!
"For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, THAT THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW might be FULFILLED IN US who DO NOT walk according to the flesh but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT."Rm8:3
The law is fulfilled in those born of the Spirit, because they won't live in sin!
@Myhopeisinhim read 1Cor. 7:18 Factions also were beginning to rise through the influence of Judaizing teachers, who urged that the converts to Christianity should observe the ceremonial law in the matter of circumcision. They still maintained that the original Israel were the exalted and privileged children of Abraham, and were entitled to all the promises made to him. They sincerely thought that in taking this medium ground between Jew and Christian, they would succeed in removing the odium
@Myhopeisinhim the sabbath is a commandment if God. Exodus 20:8 tells us Gods wants us to obey and rest the day he rested and honor. I don't see anything in the bible that Jesus says other wise. He obeyed it himself that's why he did not rise on Saturday but Sunday. If anyone reads the bible and understand it they would be Seventh-Day Adventists
This whole controversy about Ellen G. Isaiah 8:20 says " to the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Your just reliving what happened to Jesus, majority hated him and said he blasphemed against God. But it's written in Luke 6:22 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
@lovejoypeacecomfort no one in the bible ever worshipped on Sunday. The reason it changed was during the dark ages people were banned from reading the bible, only the high priest and bishops were allowed. Why is that, so that they can fuse christianity with pagan worship. The people who originally worshiped to their sun god from early in the mourning. There is a book called the national Sunday law I suggest you read it.
@Myhopeisinhim God made us good. But now? Keep in mind my other comments on the difference between koinos and akathartos. Paul was commenting on koinos food, not akathartos. Akathartos are the unclean animals, referring to an intrinsic uncleanness. {This does not mean God did not made them good. He did not make them for consumption in the first place.} Koinos refers to cleanable uncleanliness (like if you eat food offered to idols prior, you undergo cleansing ritual).
@Myhopeisinhim He can make clean that which is koinos. As for that which is akathartos, He can't because it's how He made them. This might be a bit difficult to understand: Just because He made them intrinsically unclean, it does not mean He did not create them good at Creation. It's just that He did not intend them to be eaten.
God did not declare the akathartos animals to be clean. If you look into the science of those unclean meat, you'd understand the wisdom in it. It's in the url I sent u
God presented the animals as clean and unclean to show a separation of the people, not because they were officially unclean in and of themselves. Paul clarifies this and the old testament shows this. This is why God used this vision to give to Peter because he would then understand that there was no more separation.
There was no other reason than this given in the bible for unclean/clean animals, to say more would be to add to the scriptures.
@Myhopeisinhim That would be true only if they weren't unclean b4 God told it to them. There are 2 ways to look at Lev 20:25-26.
[1] God declared those non-kosher just to make them distinct from other nations.
[2] They were already non-kosher and God told it to them because they were to be holy representatives.
[1] would mean that what you say is true, that there isn't anything intrinsically unclean about them. However, the law of unkosher came b4 all this (Gen 7:2).
@Myhopeisinhim [2] makes more sense when taking Gen 7:2 into account.
But I know you're going to quote Paul. However, as I mentioned, Paul was referring to the ceremonially unclean food (koinos). Koinos could be cleansed by a ritual. If you don't make a distinction, you'd come into conflict with Paul's other statements.
2 Cor 6:14-18 speaks of the same principle you think Peter's vision removed. However, Paul says akathartos instead, meaning something intrinsic.
@Myhopeisinhim Eph 5:5 reflects the same thought as 2 Cor 6:14-18. What Paul said in Romans is exactly what is described in 1 Cor 8. Food consecrated to idols were thought to be unclean and could not be eaten.
@Myhopeisinhim At the end of the vision, God says "Don't call those I've made clean koinos". This distinction is made in 1 Cor 7:14 and Eph 5:5. What God is referring to are the ones who are able to forsake their sins (koinos- able to be brought back by God by His cleansing blood) and those who can't (akathartos- those who stubbornly hold on to sin till death do them part as in John 3:19-20).
He said in the vision not to consider Cornelius etc, irredeemable (akathartos), as many of the Jews believed. But rather, to those who have a changeable heart like Cornelius, they are considered redeemable (koinos) and when they have given their hearts to Christ, they become clean (katharos). And those who do should not still be considered koinos.
i was reading the book Wuthering Heights, and came across the word 'Saturnine' as descriptive of someone who had gloomy and dark qualities. Even back in the 1800's they knew something about Saturn being evil.
Don't be fooled by SDA they claimed that Constantine change the day of rest to Sunday but that is false. Constantine instituted the Lunar Calendar which is midnight is new day. Hebrew laws is to keep the Sabbath under the Solar Calendar. A new day is every Sun down at 6pm. Therefore there are 11 days short on the total of yearly days, The Roman made up a leap years and we have five Fridays in one month, five Saturdays in month, five Sundays in one month on so on because they have to squeeze
Interesting to know that the Seventh-day is the sabbay they why don't all you christians do that one? so quick to push homosexual crap down peoples throught with the bible and you don't even do what it says? rediculious, seems that the group you hate so much is write, so F you all fakers, and get a life
@axis4peace3 one more thing I agree 100% that u can judge them by there fruits. Look at Ellen G. White's life. She never took any flattery or praise, she just reflected it back to God. She uses the bible as a reference to everything see says. All of these people now can't do what she did. Her entire being went to God. When people accused her of Blasphemy and other things what did she do, nothing at all why is that, she said I am going about my fathers business. Never did she once address them w
Heb 9 and Gal 3 talks about the same thing which is the ceremonial law, that has been abolished because of Jesus who is the ultimate sacrifice. Yes, Jesus rose on the first day and I thank God for that but why do u think he did. It is because of the example that he wants us to live by which is to honor the sabbath day and keep it holy. That's why he did not rise up on Saturday, I mean this Jesus some one who has the power of life no who is life. He could rise up any day or anytime he wanted.
@axis4peace3 yes there are few verses in the bible that talks about the first day which is Sunday but non of them say to honor it. The enemy has been here longer than we have so he knows what to put in our ears. I suggest reading the national Sunday law, that book further opened my eyes, as i hope it does to u too.
I suggest you would be better of reading what the NT says since your case from the scriptures are all in the OT and the Gospels which was still old Covenant (Heb 9) until Jesus rose from the dead or Gal 3 that talks about the LAW (ie Mosaic including Sabbath) being weak and misreable principles.
Also Matt 7 talks about you will know them by their fruits - IE MS White who was a plagerist, a liar (as to what she saw), invented doctrines and had authority over men which is condemned
@axis4peace3 Jesus specificlly asserted that He did not come to destroy the law,but to fulfill (or keep) it. John 14:15, Jesus said,"If you love Me,keep My commandments ." 1 John 2:3 "Now by this we know that we know Him,if we keep His commandments." "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."(Romans 3:31) And there is so much more!
@Myhopeisinhim This made me face-palm. Ok, to clear the confusion, "Law and the Prophets" refer to the Law and the prophecies. The Law sheds light on righteousness, so is a safeguard against those who claim are sinless and yet knowingly break the Law (sin), in which case they cannot claim to be from God. "Prophets" refer to the prophecies, which prove the divinity of Christ and sheds light on our future. Whoever speaks contrary to them, claiming to have light from God, they aren't God's prophets
Did you know that "the law" refers to the first section of the hebrew bible called the "law of Moses", and the "Prophets" refers to the second section of the hebrew bible, starting with the book of Joshua...and comprised of the following books:
Seventh-day Sabbath is not mentioned.
GreenGuardians 1 week ago
@axis4peace3
I see no connection between the content of this video and the title!
thenetrider7 1 month ago
"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
estridge777 2 months ago
You can research for yourself and get the facts; however, Christ alread said that the man of sin will "think to change times and laws", and he has done so "think" to change it. (Dan 7:25)
estridge777 2 months ago
We are not sure which day this person has in mind. The Seventh-day is the Sabbath; however, the devil has people claiming the first day as their sabbath day which is not based on scripture. This is why we have to be so careful when listening to people and be like the Bereans and PRAYERFULLY STUDY FOR OURSELVES.
estridge777 2 months ago
Where in this video is the Seventh-day Sabbath mentioned?
DigitalPraise7 3 months ago 2
On the website "Jesus-Is-Savior" it claims that Christians who keep the Sabbath of the Bible are Satan worshipers LOL. Let's expose David J. Stewart (Owner/Author of website) about his multiple felonies for having sex with under age girls and child abuse... also some more interesting things found HERE
h**p://bibleversiondiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/58455/David-J-Stewart-webmaster--Jesus--Savior-Com--convicted-sex#.TsV_esPNmN7
thetruejohnnytsunami 3 months ago
@thetruejohnnytsunami
The message is the issue in this case; even if you factor the messager totally his sources are the ISSUE.
Refute that
axis4peace3 3 months ago
@axis4peace3
Guaranteed brotha
thetruejohnnytsunami 3 months ago
@thetruejohnnytsunami
OK go for it
axis4peace3 3 months ago
I love this idea, I'v been strongly convicted about breaking away from the Tech on the sabbath. what they are promoting, i think, is a good thing. Expecially doing it on the Day that God calles HIS SABBATH, saturday, the seventh-day.
Rev12eleven 5 months ago
All things in moderation. That includes technology. I deliberately don't use texting.
TazHall 5 months ago
i thought it was a good message, i'm glad CNN put it up. people live more for technology these days than spending time with their parents and loved ones. by all means, take a break like he suggests. hehe, easier said than done ;)
jasetriplett 5 months ago
God isnt concernd about an exact day lol sda is a cult clearly read colosians 2:16. sda is adding to jesus' finished work on the cross this is why not many if ne are truly born again there putting there faith in the sabbath and diet rather than jesus. read ephesains 2:8-9 for by grace are we saved through faith and not of works lest any man shoul boast. stop puting peoples aka ellen g whites teachings above jesus' sda is clearly a cult. repent turn from sin and put your trust in christ alone
mamainmancj 6 months ago
@mamainmancj The thing is you are only saying this because you are confused. Sda is not saying we are not saved by faith. Just because we worship on saturday doesnt mean we just become a group of cults. We are not saying that you have to worship on saturday. You can be saved by faith. We just want to worship on saturday. THATS IT!
TheCallunxz 6 months ago
@TheCallunxz I wish I never had to work on Saturday because it really is the 7th day. But I take a Sabbath once a week. Nothing gets in the way of that. Everyone needs a time to rest in God and refresh the body and spirit otherwise we will burn out.
TazHall 5 months ago
@mamainmancj You are clearly speaking with no knowledge of what we are taught.... What God meant, was that we cannot "not kill" and be saved. He didn't make the Ten Commandments for Jesus, he made them for us. Why would he create a law, with his own finger....Then send his son to come and do it. Jesus did not sin. Please pray and ask God to guide your reading... Too many people are misinformed on this subject, accusing SDA of being legalistic. This is not the case at all
estherpasi 5 months ago
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@mamainmancj You are clearly speaking with no knowledge of what we are taught.... What God meant, was that we cannot "not kill" and be saved. He didn't make the Ten Commandments for Jesus, he made them for us. Why would he create a law, with his own finger....Then send his son to come and do it. Jesus did not sin. Please pray and ask God to guide your reading... Too many people are misinformed on this subject, accusing SDA of being legalistic. This is not the case at all
estherpasi 5 months ago
@mamainmancj You are clearly speaking with no knowledge of what we are taught.... What God meant, was that we cannot "not kill" and be saved. He didn't make the Ten Commandments for Jesus, he made them for us. Why would he create a law, with his own finger....Then send his son to come and do it. Jesus did not sin. Please pray and ask God to guide your reading... Too many people are misinformed on this subject, accusing SDA of being legalistic. This is not the case at all
estherpasi 5 months ago
Even the whoring mother of harlots, (catholic church) and her harlots, (protestants) admit that the true sabbath is saturday.
artsychic2000 6 months ago 8
This guy doesn't realize he's working for the vatican, the nwo, the coming global religion based on satanism. The majority love to party. It will likely come to a vote and the majority who have not a love for the truth will choose sunday. The sun worship day. baal day (little b) You watch. They love to allow people to build their own cages. In the end they will say...you chose and because it's a majority they will enforce it. That's democracy for you.
artsychic2000 6 months ago
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
artsychic2000 6 months ago
@artsychic2000
Matthew uses the phrase "the law and the prophets". May I ask what your thoughts are on what it means, and what the term "law" there is speaking of?
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Matthew 5:18
King James Version (KJV)
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The ten commandments of course.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@artsychic2000
I guess you haven't done a search on it. The same phrase is used in Luke 24:44....
Luk 24:44 ¶ And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God...
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
...persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.
You can see that the word Law, in the phrase "the law and the prophets" is expounded on and you see exactly what it is referring to, "the law of Moses and the prophets". Did you know that the hebrew scriptures were split into three sections
"The law" - also called the Torah, or the law of Moses, first five books of our bible
more...
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
"The prophets" - also called Nevi'im, which includes the following books: Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
And the last but not least section..
"The Writings" - also called Ketuvim, which includes Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Nehemiah, and Chronicles.
you can see evidence in this in Luke 24:44 when Jesus quoted the...
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
law of Moses, and the prophets, but kept the Psalms separate from the first two because the Psalms is not part of the first two sections but rather is part of the "writings". Luke 24:44 is basically a repeat of what he told them in Matthew 5 about how he came not to destroy the law of Moses or the prophets, but to fulfill, and that not one jot or tittle could pass from the law of Moses till all be fulfilled.
There are also other passages which use this phrase, and you can tell that the law....
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
law of Moses, and the prophets, but kept the Psalms separate from the first two because the Psalms is not part of the first two sections but rather is part of the "writings". Luke 24:44 is basically a repeat of what he told them in Matthew 5 about how he came not to destroy the law of Moses or the prophets, but to fulfill, and that not one jot or tittle could pass from the law of Moses till all be fulfilled.
There are also other passages which use this phrase, and you can tell that the law....
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
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law of Moses, and the prophets, but kept the Psalms separate from the first two because the Psalms is not part of the first two sections but rather is part of the "writings". Luke 24:44 is basically a repeat of what he told them in Matthew 5 about how he came not to destroy the law of Moses or the prophets, but to fulfill, and that not one jot or tittle could pass from the law of Moses till all be fulfilled.
There are also other passages which use this phrase, and you can tell that the law....
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
being spoken of is not simply the ten commandments, but the Torah, the law of Moses.
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
Thus if some peoples understanding of this verse is true, that the law still stands because not all is fulfilled yet because heaven and earth are still standing then the entire law of Moses is still bound to you, and you must obey all it's precepts, all its commands, every single one.
Do you?
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
Thus if some peoples understanding of this verse is true, that the law still stands because not all is fulfilled yet because heaven and earth are still standing then the entire law of Moses is still bound to you, and you must obey all it's precepts, all its commands, every single one.
Do you?
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim the commandments are a guide for the unsaved. If they are done away with how are the unsaved to know they are sinning? For the saved, we are saved by faith through grace and transformed over time. The unsaved must have a standard.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim @Myhopeisinhim the commandments are a guide for the unsaved. If they are done away with how are the unsaved to know they are sinning? For the saved, we are saved by faith through grace and transformed over time. The unsaved must have a standard.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@artsychic2000
I'll happily talk about that shortly, but I want to stick with this passage currently instead of moving on to another topic. Do you see how matthew 5 does mean the law of Moses though, and not simply the ten commandments?
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
One step at a time:)
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim how so?
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@artsychic2000
Please re-read my message, the fact Jesus says it again in Luke 24:44 and specifically refers to it as the law of Moses, show's it is the law of Moses he came to fulfill and not destroy. The phrase "law and the prophets" is the first two sections of the hebrew bible. The law being the Torah, the law of Moses...the prophets being the second section.
It specifically calls it the law of Moses when he repeats himself in Luke 24:44.
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
@artsychic2000
Please re-read my message, the fact Jesus says it again in Luke 24:44 and specifically refers to it as the law of Moses, show's it is the law of Moses he came to fulfill and not destroy. The phrase "law and the prophets" is the first two sections of the hebrew bible. The law being the Torah, the law of Moses...the prophets being the second section of the hebrew bible starting at Joshua.
Jesus specifically calls it the law of Moses when he repeats himself in Luke 24:44.
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
The phrase "the law and the prophets" carries the same meaning throughout the scriptures, it doesn't mean one thing in one passage and another thing in another.
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The law of moses is the ten commandments. Are you telling me that the disciples of Jesus and Jesus himself did not keep the sabbath? I'm not speaking of the rabbinic law that made sabbath keeping impossible. I'm speaking of the keeping of the sabbath together as a day of worship. The breaking of bread together on the sabbath among believers at that time.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@artsychic2000
The law of Moses is the entire Torah. The first five books of our bible. I believe that the sabbath was a shadow of the rest we'd receive in Christ. That it was a shadow but Christ is the reality of that shadow. That coming to him we find rest.
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The jews have knowledge of the torah and not the new covenant. We have knowledge of the new covenant and not the torah. Ephesians 2. We will break down the dividing wall and one day soon worship together in spirit and in truth (without the politics and religion) We will together celebrate the feast days of our lord that have yet to be fulfilled. He fulfilled in his life and death all of the spring feasts, he is soon to fulfill all of the fall feasts.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@artsychic2000 Exodus 20:1 does start off with saying "AND GOD SPAKE ALL THESE WORDS,SAYING..." It does not say Moses spoke those words that we label as the ten commandments, but rather God did. "Man shall not live by bread alone BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD" Those words came out of the mouth of God, so those are words that man must live by.
Rev12eleven 5 months ago
@Rev12eleven
What are your thoughts on circumcision?
Myhopeisinhim 5 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim what does the Bible say?
Rev12eleven 5 months ago
when Jesus says, enter into my rest he is speaking of the coming millenium.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
Revelation 14
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
artsychic2000 6 months ago
@lexscripta1
just a heads up Jesus said the two greatest commandments summed up the whole law, not just the ten commandments. The entire book of the law of the Lord.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
See, even CNN agrees with the meaning of the Sabbath's word !
Saturn is a pagan God. This name was appointed to a day by the Catholic church, and the Sunday too (witch mean day of the Sun, is adoration of the pagan God and Egyptian God RA). The Sabbath is the correct name for the 7th day "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God" (Exod. 20:10)
Jesusisourhope 7 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Concerning the law proclaimed from Sinai, Nehemiah says, “Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments.” Nehemiah 9:13. And Paul, “the apostle to the Gentiles,” declares, “The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” Romans 7:12. This can be no other than the Decalogue; for it is the law that says, “Thou shalt not covet.” Verse 7. – {PP 365.2} While
zilogd 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I'm glad we had this chat and I pray that we both gain more insight on Gods truth
zilogd 9 months ago
@zilogd
I personally believe that its the separation of the law of God from what some call the ceremonial laws that causes the problem. The law of Moses IS the law of God in its entirety. That is the old system, which includes the ten commandments.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim No, it isn't. There were 2 made in Moses' day. Here are the texts:
Deuteronomy 4:13-14
Exodus 34:28
Deuteronomy 5:22
At the conclusion of the book of the law, this statement was made:
Deuteronomy 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which Jehovah hath commanded Moses to make with the sons of Israel in the land of Moab, apart from the covenant which He made with them in Horeb (This was Sinai).
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMattCi89
You are aware that the law of Moses is the law of God right?
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The law of Moses is made up of 3 laws: 10 commandments, judgments, ceremonies. Only the 10 commandments are the Law of God. Why? Because that's the only Law that is the definition of sin. The judgments were on what God's judicial officers in His government were supposed to do in response to an injustice or abominable acts. The ceremonies were shadows pointing to the reality of how God brings salvation.
{cont'd...}
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim {cont'd} Furthermore, the 10 commandments is the only one which is part of the Old Covenant that Paul references to as being replaced. Therefore, the 10C is the only one that is being mentioned whenever Paul mentions the Old Cov.
And since only the 10C define sin (abominable acts fall under covet btw), it's the only Law of God that can condemn us as sinners. There's a reason why God both spoke and wrote it instead of all the other laws.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMattCi The ten commandments are not the only commandments that define sin, otherwise BESTIALITY, HOMOSEXUALITY, FORNICATION, INCEST, SORCERY, WITCHCRAFT, NECROMANCY, CHANNELING & TRAFFICKING WITH DEMONS would not be sin!
What it means to be under the New Covenant, is to FULFILL the Law by keeping it in Spirit, which means if you have the Holy Spirit you will not practice ANYTHING sinful & since you won't be sinning, you won't need a written law, because God's law will be written in your heart!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Bestiality, homosexuality, fornication = covet that which God did not sanction at Creation. Incest= dishonor of parents. Magic, necromancy, spiritualism=treating other agencies as more powerful and higher than God, meaning having other gods before Him.
The 10C cover every single sin that can be thought of, that's why it's the definition of sin. Jesus explained in the Sermon on the Mount that the Law is more than just the words, it's the principle behind it.
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iMattCi89 9 months ago
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ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@iMattCi89, What if I marry my sister, without the law of Moses, how have I sinned? Fornication is not necessarily coveting, what if I have sex for someone I don't even like, to help her get pregnant, because she wants a baby? If I don't even like her, and I am doing it with the motive of getting her pregnant, out of charity.. how would that be coveting? It is not adultery, because neither of us are married, but it is still sin, and the sin of fornication is clearly defined; in the law of Moses!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Sin does not cover just the breaking of the Law, it's also deviation from how God created it to be; deviations are the result of sin being present at all.
1) If you marry your sister, you dishonor your parents. Levitical rule on this is an application just as much as how Jesus said that if you look at a woman with lust at all, you commit adultery. It's not strictly in the letter, but the application, the spirit of the Law, forbids it.
{cont'd...}
iMattCi89 9 months ago
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2) If you don't even like some1 and offer to be a surrogate, then you're cheapening the value of the sacred union God instituted at Eden and take His Name as Creator in vain. Doing it out of charity does not make it right. Sex and reproduction isn't something to be trifled with lightly; it's a symbol of God's creative power, the ability to create an individual.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMatt The point is, if there is no law, there is no transgression
"because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression." Rm4:15
The law given to Israel has not passed away, but a true believer in Christ is not under law, IF he truly walks in the Spirit, but the evidence he's walking in the Spiirt is he will fulfill the RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW, which means walking in love, which means not breaking the commandments! Fornication is not always coveting!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir That's a misunderstanding of the Greek word used. It's translation does not convey its implication. There's hupotasso (obedience/subject) and there's hupo (under/beneath). Hupo is derogatory, implying a forced relationship where one is inferior. Hupotasso is willing compliance. If you don't separate these 2, you'd be confused by Paul's statements in Romans 7:22, 25 and 8:7 and you'd be taking him out of vocabulary context.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
Dont forget the Sabbath In Ezekiel it mentions a lot also in Deut. Verily i gave them my Sabbaths that it should be a SIGN between me and them that they may know I AM THE LORD (YHWH) that does Sanctify them!
woofmomma 6 months ago
@iMattCi89, Oh one other thing, Necromancy is trying to contact spirits of the dead! Many times, people who practice it are grieving for dead loved ones, & just want to get in touch and talk to them once again!
King Saul partook in it by getting a witch to appear to summon the spirit of the Prophet Samuel. These things are ABOMINATION unto God, and are defined clearly as sin in the LAW OF MOSES!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Once again, just because the intentions are good, does not make the action good. Uzzah thought he should prevent the Ark from toppling, but God's instructions were clear: No manhandling except for the priests. So God killed him for the disrespect. Uzzah cheapened the value of the Ark as something that could not protect itself from toppling.
As for King Saul, it wasn't Samuel who was summoned. The Bible does not say that we are conscious after death, which is why witches were slain
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMat Saul was not actually talking to Samuel, but to a demon, but the point is, his intent was not to worship another god, or hold some other deity higher than God, his intent was to try to contact Samuel to get council from the true God, but he did this by DISOBEYING God's law that forbids consulting a witch & partaking in the occult! The ten commandments to not specifically forbid consulting a witch or those with familiars, but the law of MOSES DOES! Saul transgressed the law of Moses & DIED!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir No, it wasn't because he broke the law of Moses, it's because he listened to the demon. God did not say he was going to be killed, the demon did. God cut Saul off from communication. The penalty wasn't death anyway, according to the law of Moses. The penalty was excommunication from Israel.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMatt The penalty for trafficking with demons, or having familiars, was DEATH!
‘A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.’” Leviticus 20:27-31
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Exodus 22:18
The point is.. it is possible to use an Ouija board to try to contact dead loved ones, not to hold other gods higher than the true God, but the law of Moses; SPECIFICALLY forbids this!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir It says those who practice those were to be put to death. It doesn't say anything about those who consult them.
And it is not possible to contact the dead loved ones. Jesus said that death is a sleep, and Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10 says that once someone dies, there's no consciousness, no knowledge, no emotions. That's why God forbade it; if you believe it was possible, then the devil and his angels can easily impersonate someone to fool you.
(Acts 2:34) says David hasn't gone up yet.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMat I am aware the dead are asleep in their graves & cannot be contacted, but that isn't the point. Some (or most) people do not understand that the dead are asleep in their graves & consult with spiritists with the sincere INTENT to contact a dead loved one, or like in Saul's case, to contact Samuel, not to worship another god. If Saul knew Samuel was asleep in his grave it makes no sense at all that he would have tried to summon him, & the law of Moses FORBIDS attempting to contact the dead!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Thing is, Saul very likely did not know that the dead are asleep. The reason for this is that God did not explain the reasoning behind every law. "Why circumcision instead of some other sign of faith?" "Why'd he give say those specific animals weren't to be eaten?" "Why can't anyone but the High Priest enter the Holiest?" The earliest statements on the state of the dead were after the time of Saul; notably David and Solomon,who were close with God (David) and blessed by His Spirit.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
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ciaranofseir 9 months ago
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@iMat Yes that is what I said. Saul didn't know, nor do many (or most) people today, The law of Moses is still valid today. It's the law of Moses that gives instruction in areas like this.
I am not sure I understand what you're trying to say. First you seemed to be saying only the ten commandments are valid, but then you seemed to be saying we should keep the whole law of Moses. Neither extreme is correct.
Gentile believes should walk in the Spirit fulfilling the 10 commandments & the MORAL law!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir which is why we are to test all things INCLUDING Saul of Tarsus!!! there are many things about Saul *Paul* which counterdict Yahshua and Yahshua Warned us about this one of the things he said was i come in my Fathers name and you do not receive me but ANOTHER comes in his own name him you will receive... example I Paul an appostle of .... He has A LOT OF personal Pronouns throughout his letter's and Yahshua also said If you love me Keep my Commandment's
woofmomma 6 months ago
@w Paul never said Gentiles didn't have to keep the Sabbaths & as far as the RITUALS of the law, it WAS NOT only Paul who said Gentiles didn't have to keep ALL the Ceremonial law, but the OTHER Apostles; & it also seemed good to the HOLY SPIRIT (God)! If you're going to say Gentiles MUST be circumcised & keep the WHOLE law to be saved, you're going AGAINST the decision of the OTHER Apostles, including Peter, & also the HOLY SPIRIT! You also CONDEMN YOURSELF, as YOU are not keeping the whole law!
ciaranofseir 6 months ago
@ciaranofseir As for fulfilling the Law:
You think fulfilling the Law means we don't need to keep its written form. Well, no. What was fulfilled of the Law was its righteous demand: that we die for our sins. This does not mean the written Law was done away with.
And how is the law God writes in our heart is any different from the 10C? If you say it's the law of love, that's wrong, because when Jesus said "love the Lord/others", it's the same summary of the 10C given in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
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ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@iMat Yes the righteous demand of the law was satisfied, because Jesus died in our stead, But I do not believe this is all of what it means, for the law to be fulfilled! I believe what Jesus meant by the law being fulfilled, is that He kept it perfectly, by walking perfectly in the Spirit of God & that those who are begotten of the Holy Spirit, will FULFILL the righteous requirement of the law, by walking in LOVE in Spirit! If you have the Spiirt of God & walk in the Spirit, you FULFILL the law!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Indeed you will! However, it makes a contradiction when you do break the Law if you walk in the Spirit. If you do deliberately break the Law and you claim to be led by the Spirit, then that implies that the Spirit led you to deliberately sin.
That's why we emphasize the Sabbath, because it's the one that many Christians think no longer needs to be kept. But if you truly were led by the Spirit, you'd be consistent with the Law, b/c the Law is spirit.
(Romans 7:14 ; 8:7)
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMat I do honor the Sabbath & the righteous requirements of the law, but I do not have to keep all the ceremonies & rituals the law prescribes, & the reason is, the Apostles had a meeting led by the Holy Spirit & decided that Gentile believers do not have to keep the whole law of Moses, but only part of it (the righteous requirements)!
The ceremonies & rituals were not part of the righteous requirements (Walking in love= To love & serve God with all your heart & love your neighbor as yourself).
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Ok, so you're not against keeping the 10 commandments, but you consider it part of the law of Moses and that we only need to keep this part. Did I sum it up right?
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMat You did not sum it up right. The righteous requirements of the law are parts of the law having to do with MORALITY, how we TREAT OTHERS, honoring days God has sanctified, & refraining from eating what is unclean. Being unclean till evening If you accidentally touch a menstruating woman Lev15:19 is part of the ceremonial law, & I do not think a believer is under those parts of the law.
Read Acts 15:28-29 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit; not to burden Gentile believers with the whole law!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir this vs was brought to me and i have nothing to refute except we cant base our whole doctrine on one scripture theyre are many more before and after mentioning about keeping Gods commandments
sacrifice was to lead to Christ however Jesus said If you love me Keep my commandments, in revelation Patience to the saints who KEep the commandments of God and hav e Jesus as testimony
also and the dragon was at wrought with the remnant of the seed who keep the commandments of God
woofmomma 7 months ago
@w The confusion I believe is mistaking the ceremonial law, for the MORAL law! If you're going to say we have to keep the ENTIRE law, you're condemning yourself, because you're not keeping it!
I believe we still have to keep the Sabbath/Sabbaths, refrain from unclean meat, & fulfill the 10 commandments in SPIRIT, by keeping them even MORE strictly than just keeping them in letter! Paul was talking about circumcision not being required if you keep the righteous requirements of the law!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
Can you share with me how you distinguish the moral law from the ceremonial law, and are there any exceptions to the rules in how it is separated?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@My the ceremonial law was rituals like circumcision, that did not have anything to do with actually LIVING RIGHTEOUSLY!
PAUL MAKES A DISTINCTION! READ!
"The one who is not circumcised physically & YET OBEYS THE LAW will condemn you who, even though you have the written code & circumcision, are a LAWBREAKER." Rm2:27
"Circumcision is nothing & uncircumcision is nothing, but KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD is what matters."1Cr7:19
Gentiles didn't need to keep the rituals, but JEWISH believers DID!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@ciaranofseir
How many moral laws are there?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@M There's ONE LAW, summed up in LOVING God with ALL YOUR HEART & LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF!
"For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness, “You shall not covet,”and if there is any other commandment, are all SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW." Rm13:9
A believer FULFILLS the law!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@ciaranofseir You are leaving something out. Jesus said that THE TEN COMMANDMENTS are summed up by loving the Lord with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself. Its just a summary, it doesnt mean the commandments arent in effect.
lexscripta1 7 months ago
@lexscripta1, You are preaching to the choir. I believe the Sabbath & 10 commandments are in EFFECT! I also believe what Paul said about Gentile believers not having to be under all the rituals like circumcision!
"Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?" Romans 2:26
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@ciaranofseir Amen Brother/Sister!
lexscripta1 6 months ago
@ciaranofseir Jesus also said think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophet ,not one jot not one tittle will by no means pass away from the law TILL heaven and earth pass away and all prophecy is fulfilled
woofmomma 7 months ago
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ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@woofmomma The law has not passed away .. but a believer is not under the rituals of the law. If one believes and fulfills the righteous requirements of the law... he is COUNTED as having done the rituals, even if he hasn't!
Don't think I am one of the heretics who say Jesus abolished his law & grace is a license to sin! We still need to honor the Sabbaths & refrain from unclean food, but if we believe & obey the righteous requirements of the law.. we will be COUNTED as having done the rituals!
ciaranofseir 7 months ago
@iMat If you've been reading my other posts, you should know I'm not one of those who say, we can just walk in love & live in sin. That is self contradictory! If you walk perfectly in true Godly love, YOU WON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT SIN, let alone live in it!
What I'm saying is what Paul said, that LOVE does no harm to a neighbor so fulfills the law! As long as you have the Holy Spirit & walk in the Spirit, you won't even THINK about stealing, LYING, ADULTERY, MURDERING etc, so love fulfills the law!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Exactly right! However, you can't just say "love", because love needs to be defined. In the New Testament, love has 3 words: eros, filia, agape. God gave the 10 commandments as definitions for love. "Love God and your neighbor" are summaries of the 10 commandments. If you love God, you'd keep all 10. If you love your neighbor, you'd keep the last 6.
So what's stopping you from keeping the whole Law if you are indeed led by the Spirit?
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMat Yes Love fulfills the law! If you love you won't even meditate on breaking the commandments or ANY of the righteous requirements of the law, let alone actually physically break them! Keeping the law in letter by not committing adultery, means not to physically have sexual intercourse with your neighbors wife! Keeping the law in SPIRIT, means you do not even mediate or THINK in a lustful way about your neighbors wife. you don't even HARBOR THE THOUGHT! If you Love, you will fulfill the law!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Simply put, don't say we don't need the written Law, and don't confuse the 10 commandments with the judgments and ceremonies. Only the 10 commandments were written by God, the judgments and ceremonies were spoken only.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir
The law of love is the 10C; if you love, you won't be willing to break the 10C. They're not in contradiction. However, you can't say "I just love and that's all" either because you're a fallible human being like me. We don't know what true love is, which is why God listed the law of love out in the 10C, to educate us on what true love really is.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
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ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim As an aside, if you want to prove your point, you'll need to find a reference to the judgments and ceremonies in the New Testament in which Jesus or the disciples mention as defining sin.
I have to mention though, this instance where Jesus said to keep the commandments, sell all riches to give to the poor and follow Him [Matt 19:17-21]. And Jesus specified which ones: the 10 commandments.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhope I was wondering if you can explain, If all the law of Moses has passed away, Why did Paul still observe the law of Moses?
"they have been told about you (Paul) that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs."
Paul went to the Temple..
"Thus all will know that THERE IS NOTHING IN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT YOU, but that you yourself also LIVE IN OBSERVANCE OF THE LAW. " Acts21:21
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ ciaranofseir There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to his sacrifice and his priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the hebrews until type met antitype in the death of C
zilogd 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir yes I agree with you that Jesus fulfilled the law and he kept all the commandments. All I'm saying is that Jesus's reason for being sent to earth is more than that.
zilogd 9 months ago
Scholars of worth agree, Greek word 4 justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous glory of the gospel Go to sleep w insurance of internal life. Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him Rom4:8
Our Lord died as our representative,In my place He stood, sealed me w His blood. Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful. More then forgiveness it's acquittal, God says, I will count u as u never sinned. Imputation of the merits of Christ
game11221 9 months ago
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski! We are saved by grace by faith! Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over you all your days. Long as you keep your eye on Him you can not be lost. He died for me, He represented for me. I am accepted in the beloved by the grace of God
Its reckoned , it happened outside of us, our salvation is in heaven, thats why we can't loose it, as long as I keep my eye on Christ
game11221 9 months ago
I to the law die to the law, until u die to the law & live to Christ as a method of salvation u lost When focus is on law we have a tendency to break it. When focus is on Christ we tend to keep it naturally Otherwise 1's claiming saved by works our righteousness, if this is the case then 1 has fallen from grace OT believer & not a NT follower. Sin isn't a act, its a attitude. Old vs New - ratified by Christ, if not,,this would be adultery to claim Christ but follow the old cov
game11221 9 months ago
Some think sins are 4given when they come in, then roll up there sleeves to get right w God. They understand not Law of God requires perfect thoughts,desires,motives, word all ur days,1 slip ur a goner. Can u truly claim ur sinless YN
Distinguish Root & Fruit. Root 4 the Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is obedience, obedience is not perfect because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness - trespasses, many things we offend, not willing we all stumble
game11221 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I believe in having bible reference in all I say because it is written in Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. It makes a difference know we are not saying it but the word of God says it.
zilogd 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir Also Jesus came to be a living example on how we should live our lives. He kept the commandments and he fulfilled them also.
zilogd 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim the scriptures never said that either law was unfulfilled.
zilogd 9 months ago
@zilogd
The law of God was fulfilled in Jesus:) I'm in agreement with you.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir I pray that you ask God for wisdom and understanding to understand the scriptures. When Jesus said that he did not com to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Throughout the book of Matthew and Luke you can see what he meant by that. "For it is written, the son of man will be delivered to the hands of men". I'm paraphrasing, also Jesus abolished the ceremonial law being that we don have to burn offerings to God because we have the ultimate offering which is Jesus Christ. The obser
zilogd 9 months ago
@zilogd I already have wisdom & understanding, because I HAVE been BORN of the Spirit of God & God dwells in me! You are the one who needs understanding!
Jesus fulfilling the law meant He kept it perfect, because He walked in PERFECT LOVE & if we are born of His Spirit, He will dwell in us & we will ALSO walk in His LOVE & LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW!
Gentiles if they're born of the Spirit don't have to be circumcised, or keep the ceremonial ordinances, but the Gentile Church was keeping the Sabbaths!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Didnt Jesus also come to to destroy the ceremonial law. So why then follow it. Can you tell me the bible scriptures of the feasts of God.
zilogd 9 months ago
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ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@zilogd Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it & if Paul was really teaching that the sabbath was ABOLISHED & Christians should observe some other day, then why did the Pharisees NEVER ONCE ACCUSE HIM OF THIS? Do you really think that the Pharisees who wanted to KILL Jesus for healing on the Sabbath .. would just overlook Paul teaching that the Sabbath was completely abolished & never once even mention it?
Paul KEPT the Feasts of God himself, as did the Gentile Churches!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@ciaranofseir
The pharisees took a great disliking to Paul because they felt he was dishonoring the law, telling people they didn't have to keep it.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
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ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@Myhop The Pharisees hated Paul for preaching Christ! The elders told him the Jews "have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs." The elders had him go to the Temple after the days of purification so "that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are NOTHING, but that you yourself also WALK ORDERLY & KEEP THE LAW."
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@zilogd
It's not so much that Jesus destroyed the law, but fulfilled it. The best way I've learned to describe this is by taking the modern concept of a contract. The contract is binding to both parties until the term of that contract is fulfilled.
The terms and conditions of the covenant were left unfulfilled until Jesus came and fulfilled them himself in our place, drawing the contract to a close and allowing us to enter into a new covenant with God and receive eternal life.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
We couldn't enter into a new covenant with God, a new contract with God, until the terms of the old were completed. We couldn't benefit until it was, and Jesus came to fulfill that contract. That is why the law was only to last until the seed should come because he would fulfill it in a way no other man had ever been able to.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@Myhop The good news is, the Bible itself explains what it means for the law to be fulfilled!
"For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, THAT THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW might be FULFILLED IN US who DO NOT walk according to the flesh but ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT."Rm8:3
The law is fulfilled in those born of the Spirit, because they won't live in sin!
ciaranofseir 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim So what are the terms and conditions of the New Covenant?
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim read 1Cor. 7:18 Factions also were beginning to rise through the influence of Judaizing teachers, who urged that the converts to Christianity should observe the ceremonial law in the matter of circumcision. They still maintained that the original Israel were the exalted and privileged children of Abraham, and were entitled to all the promises made to him. They sincerely thought that in taking this medium ground between Jew and Christian, they would succeed in removing the odium
zilogd 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim the sabbath is a commandment if God. Exodus 20:8 tells us Gods wants us to obey and rest the day he rested and honor. I don't see anything in the bible that Jesus says other wise. He obeyed it himself that's why he did not rise on Saturday but Sunday. If anyone reads the bible and understand it they would be Seventh-Day Adventists
zilogd 9 months ago
@zilogd
Jesus was also circumcised, and kept all the feast days of God. Do you?
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
campbell brown was a horrible host
zrocks2001 9 months ago
This whole controversy about Ellen G. Isaiah 8:20 says " to the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Your just reliving what happened to Jesus, majority hated him and said he blasphemed against God. But it's written in Luke 6:22 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
zilogd 9 months ago
@lovejoypeacecomfort no one in the bible ever worshipped on Sunday. The reason it changed was during the dark ages people were banned from reading the bible, only the high priest and bishops were allowed. Why is that, so that they can fuse christianity with pagan worship. The people who originally worshiped to their sun god from early in the mourning. There is a book called the national Sunday law I suggest you read it.
zilogd 9 months ago
@imattci89
do you then agree that they were good when they were made?
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim God made us good. But now? Keep in mind my other comments on the difference between koinos and akathartos. Paul was commenting on koinos food, not akathartos. Akathartos are the unclean animals, referring to an intrinsic uncleanness. {This does not mean God did not made them good. He did not make them for consumption in the first place.} Koinos refers to cleanable uncleanliness (like if you eat food offered to idols prior, you undergo cleansing ritual).
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMattCi89
Can God make clean that which was once unclean?
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim He can make clean that which is koinos. As for that which is akathartos, He can't because it's how He made them. This might be a bit difficult to understand: Just because He made them intrinsically unclean, it does not mean He did not create them good at Creation. It's just that He did not intend them to be eaten.
God did not declare the akathartos animals to be clean. If you look into the science of those unclean meat, you'd understand the wisdom in it. It's in the url I sent u
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMattCi89
God presented the animals as clean and unclean to show a separation of the people, not because they were officially unclean in and of themselves. Paul clarifies this and the old testament shows this. This is why God used this vision to give to Peter because he would then understand that there was no more separation.
There was no other reason than this given in the bible for unclean/clean animals, to say more would be to add to the scriptures.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim That would be true only if they weren't unclean b4 God told it to them. There are 2 ways to look at Lev 20:25-26.
[1] God declared those non-kosher just to make them distinct from other nations.
[2] They were already non-kosher and God told it to them because they were to be holy representatives.
[1] would mean that what you say is true, that there isn't anything intrinsically unclean about them. However, the law of unkosher came b4 all this (Gen 7:2).
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iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim [2] makes more sense when taking Gen 7:2 into account.
But I know you're going to quote Paul. However, as I mentioned, Paul was referring to the ceremonially unclean food (koinos). Koinos could be cleansed by a ritual. If you don't make a distinction, you'd come into conflict with Paul's other statements.
2 Cor 6:14-18 speaks of the same principle you think Peter's vision removed. However, Paul says akathartos instead, meaning something intrinsic.
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iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Eph 5:5 reflects the same thought as 2 Cor 6:14-18. What Paul said in Romans is exactly what is described in 1 Cor 8. Food consecrated to idols were thought to be unclean and could not be eaten.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim At the end of the vision, God says "Don't call those I've made clean koinos". This distinction is made in 1 Cor 7:14 and Eph 5:5. What God is referring to are the ones who are able to forsake their sins (koinos- able to be brought back by God by His cleansing blood) and those who can't (akathartos- those who stubbornly hold on to sin till death do them part as in John 3:19-20).
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iMattCi89 9 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
He said in the vision not to consider Cornelius etc, irredeemable (akathartos), as many of the Jews believed. But rather, to those who have a changeable heart like Cornelius, they are considered redeemable (koinos) and when they have given their hearts to Christ, they become clean (katharos). And those who do should not still be considered koinos.
iMattCi89 9 months ago
i was reading the book Wuthering Heights, and came across the word 'Saturnine' as descriptive of someone who had gloomy and dark qualities. Even back in the 1800's they knew something about Saturn being evil.
LoveJoyPeaceComfort 9 months ago
Don't be fooled by SDA they claimed that Constantine change the day of rest to Sunday but that is false. Constantine instituted the Lunar Calendar which is midnight is new day. Hebrew laws is to keep the Sabbath under the Solar Calendar. A new day is every Sun down at 6pm. Therefore there are 11 days short on the total of yearly days, The Roman made up a leap years and we have five Fridays in one month, five Saturdays in month, five Sundays in one month on so on because they have to squeeze
ResurrectingYourSpir 9 months ago
Interesting to know that the Seventh-day is the sabbay they why don't all you christians do that one? so quick to push homosexual crap down peoples throught with the bible and you don't even do what it says? rediculious, seems that the group you hate so much is write, so F you all fakers, and get a life
fishpasteking 10 months ago
wow what a fast of breath to write all that stuff! sounds like you really hate Adventists and accuse them of things you probably know nothing about
fishpasteking 10 months ago
@axis4peace3 one more thing I agree 100% that u can judge them by there fruits. Look at Ellen G. White's life. She never took any flattery or praise, she just reflected it back to God. She uses the bible as a reference to everything see says. All of these people now can't do what she did. Her entire being went to God. When people accused her of Blasphemy and other things what did she do, nothing at all why is that, she said I am going about my fathers business. Never did she once address them w
zilogd 10 months ago
Heb 9 and Gal 3 talks about the same thing which is the ceremonial law, that has been abolished because of Jesus who is the ultimate sacrifice. Yes, Jesus rose on the first day and I thank God for that but why do u think he did. It is because of the example that he wants us to live by which is to honor the sabbath day and keep it holy. That's why he did not rise up on Saturday, I mean this Jesus some one who has the power of life no who is life. He could rise up any day or anytime he wanted.
zilogd 10 months ago
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zilogd 10 months ago
@axis4peace3 yes there are few verses in the bible that talks about the first day which is Sunday but non of them say to honor it. The enemy has been here longer than we have so he knows what to put in our ears. I suggest reading the national Sunday law, that book further opened my eyes, as i hope it does to u too.
zilogd 10 months ago
@zilogd
I suggest you would be better of reading what the NT says since your case from the scriptures are all in the OT and the Gospels which was still old Covenant (Heb 9) until Jesus rose from the dead or Gal 3 that talks about the LAW (ie Mosaic including Sabbath) being weak and misreable principles.
Also Matt 7 talks about you will know them by their fruits - IE MS White who was a plagerist, a liar (as to what she saw), invented doctrines and had authority over men which is condemned
axis4peace3 10 months ago
@axis4peace3 Jesus specificlly asserted that He did not come to destroy the law,but to fulfill (or keep) it. John 14:15, Jesus said,"If you love Me,keep My commandments ." 1 John 2:3 "Now by this we know that we know Him,if we keep His commandments." "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."(Romans 3:31) And there is so much more!
JeffSal999 10 months ago
@JeffSal999
What law do you believe Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5? and what do you believe the term "prophets" refers to?
Myhopeisinhim 10 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim This made me face-palm. Ok, to clear the confusion, "Law and the Prophets" refer to the Law and the prophecies. The Law sheds light on righteousness, so is a safeguard against those who claim are sinless and yet knowingly break the Law (sin), in which case they cannot claim to be from God. "Prophets" refer to the prophecies, which prove the divinity of Christ and sheds light on our future. Whoever speaks contrary to them, claiming to have light from God, they aren't God's prophets
iMattCi89 9 months ago
@iMattCi89
Did you know that "the law" refers to the first section of the hebrew bible called the "law of Moses", and the "Prophets" refers to the second section of the hebrew bible, starting with the book of Joshua...and comprised of the following books:
Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
There is a third section of the hebrew bible, but I'll leave it at that for now.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
Most aren't aware of this, and think it has an entirely different meaning.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago