HHO Cell Comparison

[eastkyphotos]

I like the cup version better I wonder how many amps it was pulling. Good job!!!!!!!!!

[KoN312]

nice cell! But why using drain cleaner? Baking soda will do just as fine too.

[andywalkerplumber]

@KoN312 or just plain ordinary tap water.. you shouldn't want to draw a lot of amps, let voltage do the work

[pcxcity]

If you can't find any of these items..any hardware store can order it for you..does anyone realize when winter gets here it freezes up and blows out?..can you put antifreeze in the water to prevent the freezing affect?..or add windshield washer fluid to it..PLEASE HELP

[pcxcity]

If you can't find any of these items..any hardware store can order it for you..

[5306donkey]

have you ever tried to make one with two of the rods in one jar in your case in your case you will have four rods and 14cups in one jar this would make more gas in one jar right?

[halo7]

I have the cups and rods, but dont under stand if to use only Plastic bolts or Only SS bolts....can you please respond in detail what to do, or post a short vid assembling one. THANKS!

[5306donkey]

@halo7 you are going to use the plastic washers on the sides that you dont want to touch ss bolt BUT a plastic washer and if you want you can make the hole a lil big and place a rubber or plastic washer in the center of the cup hole and rod so that you are sure that it dont touch the rod

[robotpredator8]

nice

[rsaffe]

where did u get the ss rods and the cap and the rest? i would like 2 know thanks

[fireslayer26]

I got the SS rods on ebay, the SS cups at Walmart, and the PVC cap at Lowes.

[HHO4ALL]

I've tried several different designs using stainless cups, and it will overheat if you do not configure it properly.

I provided a video response above to show my design that I call "Flip Cup", because it is basically a twister cell flipped upsidedown to take advantage of chambering the gas. By containing and chambering the gas in stages, you control the gas as it builds in strength. Using an exhaust port on each cup will allow gas to travel upward into a focused stream at the top of the cell.

[GeneralKlag]

HHO is formed on the Neturals and Negative cups, O2 on the Positive cup(s) So your gas quality is diluted. Also you need to be around 30 amps to boil the water, which is good !

If you have a good cup configuration, you can scrub the steam through a bubbler And get about 1 lpm of an 8-1 ratio (8-H for every 1-O2) which is a hot HHO mix.(good gas quality) using 1-1/4 liter of distilled water and enough pure lye to drive the amps to 29-30

Try this config. +NNN- Only 5 cups at 30 amps = 1-lpm

[EletrikRide]

Don't take this the wrong way, but your design is a water boiler. Each cup sees 12VDC, and only 2VDC of it is used to make gas, the rest makes heat and boils the water. This is why the Smack draws less amps for the same bath concentration. Fo a real side by side test, adjust 2 baths so that each cell draws the same amps, then put a thermometer in the water and see which one heats up fastest.

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[GoGreenHHOhybrid]

Hi some time ago I tryed these stainless steal cups 2.5 oz. from wal-mart and tested them as a cell and fond a potential problem with them I will post a video of it so you can see. I never tested them after that, but I do like how you put them to gether nice job! I had my cups a lot closer...

[blackbeard1777]

Im having trouble finding 12 inch stainless steel all tread rods. All I can find is galvinized at home Depot and Lowes. Were did you get yours?

[fireslayer26]

I actually found mine on ebay.

[HHO4ALL]

Nice design, but have you considered turning the cell upside down, and then drilling out the center of each cup with a 1/2" drill bit (for exhaust). This would turn it into a chambered/stacked cell, and would cut down on any electrical runoff. You could also incorporate neutral cups between each positive and negative, which would drop your amperage without sacrificing output.

[MnKndsDoom]

LOL!!!! Overall shape does NOT matter... You must have the correct ratio (balance) of cell area to water area. The polarity spacing must be constant and very close to one another, less than 1mm. Nice try, but try again for efficiency.

[john29302]

naw...bad info on spacing. smack uses 1.6mm, ebn and boyce use 3mm...(1/8 inch) and "polarity" spacing is a term you made up cuz you are guessing about nonsense between you ears (ouch)

[HHOcowboy]

Guess the best way to explain the theory of electricity: Example; having a loose wire will cause higher resistance drawing more amps - this in turn produces heat. The same would go for the distance of the plates - closer together would become less work for the electrons from plate to plate - So it is a benefit if you have them closer together to help reduce additional heat buildup. Not sure what you are referring to with a metal scrubber...

[dozeydude]

Hi, do the positive and negative plates really have to be so close together even with electrolyte. Also if production is due to surface area, would using a metal scrubber be any good ?

[HHOcowboy]

As I build mine I will provide you with some photos (video) of what I have in mind. Would like to try different connection points when making these SS cups for my reactor having neutrals to help keep amps down (retard heat buildup). My tolerance (spacing) between cups would be the thickness of a tie-wrap making stackable height approximately 5 inches. I know I would like to hear from the pros what would be a good arrangement for us.

[fireslayer26]

I havent seen any designs with holes drilled in the sides. For the test I connected them +-+-+-+. But this seems to be pulling too many amps, so I'm going to try a different setup.

[JBTYpr]

for the most EFFICIENT ergo the best setup 4 neutrals in between each positive and negative.

[HHOcowboy]

fireslayer26

I am planning on testing the cup design myself and was wondering where your received your data on building them. Would also like to know how you electrically connected them and if you spaced them a little closer than what you have in the video. Another item I would like to mention is, I didn't see any additional holes in the side of the cups to allow water to flow.  Was this this ever done?

Let me know the latest update, sure would be interested in hearing from you...

Thanks!

[Boyntonstu]

The cups are too far apart.

You are wasting area.

Put them into each other with a 1mm tie space for insulation and you will see much more production.

[guitarheromodking]

my experience has been to place plates +n-n+n-

but the best ive seen is with ss cylinders -outside, neutral, neutral, and inside positive using progressively smaller cylinders like stan meyers fuel cell

[impossible2geton]

You could drill big holes in most of the cups, and leave them neutral, or at least just connect the middle (-ve) and ends (+ve).

With the smack it looks like you have 4 neutrals between each live plate. Again overvoltage but probably fixable.

[impossible2geton]

comparison wasn't quite even because you have wired the cups + - + - + - +.

Of course each plate/cup has the full 12 volts across it, and the amps are big.

But each plate really only needs about 2 volts to work, and so just connecting the top and bottom of the 7 cups would have been just as good, but draw a lot less amps.

Your smack cell also seems to have two subcells in parallel, each getting the full 12 volts, but here u have neutrals, spreading volts.

[fireslayer26]

Thanks for the info! I'll try to make a couple cups neutral. Its pulling too many amps right now.