Blindly clinging to empiricism? I'm not following you there, I'm against that kind of thinking, I clearly expressed this. I also already stated that scientists question themselves and do not claim to know everything. You are right about one thing, I am anti religion, all you need to do is read the original scriptures, there is no ambiguity there, it is plain to see that these are barbaric text's that corrupt peoples minds, and this is wrong. Are you an apologist for fascism?
@nitruk it's all very vague frankly, you either believe in God or you don't. It doesn't matter how sophisticated or convaluted your reasoning is, it all means one thing, and that is that you are willing to buy into a believe system for your own convenience and without a shred of evidence, you can tip toe around it as much as you like, it's pure gullability, some people are not able to differentiate between fantasy and rational thinking, it's a lot easier to embrace the former to get answers.
@simmy3000 Fair enough, but absolutism doesn't get you far. I think that trying to find some way to reconcile faith and rationality, acknowledging the good in each, is more helpful than an over-simplified stance of "I'm right, you're wrong" or vice versa.
@nitruk you don't get it, there is no absolutism there are only facts based on evidence and the continued struggle to discover truths about our existence, that is all there is, and it will continue to, we will never know everything, science exposes it's ignorance and does not claim to know everything. Faith is irrational, have you ever read the uncensored version of the quaran?? they teach this to children and it is WRONG, I am shocked that the UN does not regard this a threat to human life.
@nitruk if someone or a group of people are brainwashing children with primitive ideas and causing violence and suffering because they belong to a cult there should be no reconciliation there should only be rejection of their ideas in schools and there should be no privileges at all, people need to be educated, if they willfully refuse to be educated then they deserve to be ridiculed and their ideas rubbished into obscurity
@simmy3000 I think I just hope you're joking now. Blindly clinging to empiricism is just as bad. I was intrigued by the conversation before, but there seems to be too much anti-religion bias. I dislike brainwashing and blind faith, and any doctrine that claims to know everything. Beyond that, I agree we'll never know everything. But I don't think we can be so sure that our current system is the only, best, infallible way of working. True scientists challenge their own views too.
She waffles on about how we are profoundly ignorant animals and that we are profoudly ignorant of God, that is utterly rediculous and a contradiction in itself because God is a 'certainty' in her mind. It's madness. She's an intelectual who is making excuses for the emotional attachment she has developed after clearly going through a mid life crisis, thats what happens when you spend too much time on your own in silence with no one to turn to.
@simmy3000 I've never actually seen a more non-sensical comment in my life. I think you've completely missed the point while looking for a reason to attack her. I appreciate if you dislike her point of view, but this extremely intelligent, informed woman cannot be so casually cast aside. I'm sorry. In your comment I've only seen frustration at ideas of Karen Armstrong's that you simply don't like.
@nitruk What is her point then? please do explain. I meet many intelligent people who are religious who try to convince themselves that it's true using various excuses, I used to think religious people lacked intelligence but it is merely an emotional flaw, an attachment or a vice that cradles them, willful stupidity. Listening to her waffle on is painful because it's clear that she is very bright but not only is she trying to fool the people listening she is trying to fool herself, sad.
@simmy3000 I do understand your point, the idea of God to her seems to be a certainty, but not in a traditional sense. She says it's something we're unable to understand to dispel ideas that God is something easily defined; as in people who see it as a Him who's predictable, as if we can know how he'd vote or plead with him for a parking space. She was quite atheistic on leaving her convent, so I don't think it's only attachment. And she argues mainly for compassion and against absolutism.
Blindly clinging to empiricism? I'm not following you there, I'm against that kind of thinking, I clearly expressed this. I also already stated that scientists question themselves and do not claim to know everything. You are right about one thing, I am anti religion, all you need to do is read the original scriptures, there is no ambiguity there, it is plain to see that these are barbaric text's that corrupt peoples minds, and this is wrong. Are you an apologist for fascism?
simmy3000 10 months ago
@simmy3000 Although perhaps I sound like just as much of a waffling treehugger.
nitruk 1 year ago
@nitruk it's all very vague frankly, you either believe in God or you don't. It doesn't matter how sophisticated or convaluted your reasoning is, it all means one thing, and that is that you are willing to buy into a believe system for your own convenience and without a shred of evidence, you can tip toe around it as much as you like, it's pure gullability, some people are not able to differentiate between fantasy and rational thinking, it's a lot easier to embrace the former to get answers.
simmy3000 11 months ago
@simmy3000 Fair enough, but absolutism doesn't get you far. I think that trying to find some way to reconcile faith and rationality, acknowledging the good in each, is more helpful than an over-simplified stance of "I'm right, you're wrong" or vice versa.
nitruk 10 months ago
@nitruk you don't get it, there is no absolutism there are only facts based on evidence and the continued struggle to discover truths about our existence, that is all there is, and it will continue to, we will never know everything, science exposes it's ignorance and does not claim to know everything. Faith is irrational, have you ever read the uncensored version of the quaran?? they teach this to children and it is WRONG, I am shocked that the UN does not regard this a threat to human life.
simmy3000 10 months ago
@nitruk if someone or a group of people are brainwashing children with primitive ideas and causing violence and suffering because they belong to a cult there should be no reconciliation there should only be rejection of their ideas in schools and there should be no privileges at all, people need to be educated, if they willfully refuse to be educated then they deserve to be ridiculed and their ideas rubbished into obscurity
simmy3000 10 months ago
@simmy3000 I think I just hope you're joking now. Blindly clinging to empiricism is just as bad. I was intrigued by the conversation before, but there seems to be too much anti-religion bias. I dislike brainwashing and blind faith, and any doctrine that claims to know everything. Beyond that, I agree we'll never know everything. But I don't think we can be so sure that our current system is the only, best, infallible way of working. True scientists challenge their own views too.
nitruk 10 months ago
You either pursue wisdom because you know you don't have it, or you take the position that you are already wise and need no other points of view.
What is your position?
gjsterp 1 year ago
She waffles on about how we are profoundly ignorant animals and that we are profoudly ignorant of God, that is utterly rediculous and a contradiction in itself because God is a 'certainty' in her mind. It's madness. She's an intelectual who is making excuses for the emotional attachment she has developed after clearly going through a mid life crisis, thats what happens when you spend too much time on your own in silence with no one to turn to.
simmy3000 1 year ago
@simmy3000 I've never actually seen a more non-sensical comment in my life. I think you've completely missed the point while looking for a reason to attack her. I appreciate if you dislike her point of view, but this extremely intelligent, informed woman cannot be so casually cast aside. I'm sorry. In your comment I've only seen frustration at ideas of Karen Armstrong's that you simply don't like.
nitruk 1 year ago
@nitruk What is her point then? please do explain. I meet many intelligent people who are religious who try to convince themselves that it's true using various excuses, I used to think religious people lacked intelligence but it is merely an emotional flaw, an attachment or a vice that cradles them, willful stupidity. Listening to her waffle on is painful because it's clear that she is very bright but not only is she trying to fool the people listening she is trying to fool herself, sad.
simmy3000 1 year ago
@simmy3000 I do understand your point, the idea of God to her seems to be a certainty, but not in a traditional sense. She says it's something we're unable to understand to dispel ideas that God is something easily defined; as in people who see it as a Him who's predictable, as if we can know how he'd vote or plead with him for a parking space. She was quite atheistic on leaving her convent, so I don't think it's only attachment. And she argues mainly for compassion and against absolutism.
nitruk 1 year ago
probably the only theist I have respect for.
ReverandCiderMan 1 year ago
@ReverandCiderMan you should look up Bart Ehrman
thewakakeboarder 1 year ago
love this, thank you....
MrNelsonjesus 1 year ago
very eloquent, very true.
Doomshark3 1 year ago
Too bad about the echo
mrlastisfat 2 years ago