"...December 25 was not chosen to continue something pagans do. Instead it was chosen to make a theological statement concerning the supremacy of the worship of Christ over the futility, sin, and vacuousness, of worshipping the created." (from A Christian Defense of the Christmas Celebration by Kerry Kinchan)
The same people who defend the pagan tree idolatry associated with the winter solstice, are also defending the celebration of demonic presence as halloween. As said, one act for the devil leads to another ... These same people will defend child sacrifice, if not already doing so. Decorating houses with satanic symbols for 'decoration' has the same effect as consulting a psychic medium for fun, or wearing an occult sign around the neck for fashion.
@voyagersystem Respectfully. You are painting with a broad brush. Not all Christians who celebrate Christmas also celebrate halloween, and to jump to the conclusion that those who do will also defend child sacrifice is a ridiculous assumption.
@fairwhether1, God paints us all with the same brush. If I open myself up to demons by participating in a pagan ritual, then so does every other Christian. There is not one rule for myself and one rule for others. Sin begets sin. Study up on your spiritual warfare.
@voyagersystem The same brush that you paint with? Are you God? Are you without sin? Are you one that "celebrates Christmas everyday" even if you don't think we're commanded to celebrate Christ's birth in scripture? Does only the sin of "participating in a pagan ritual" open one up to "defending child sacrifice", or are other sins capable of the same?
@fairwhether1, I said, 'God paints us all with the same brush.' In otherwords, sin is sin to God. My advise is to pray to God to open your eyes and to read The Holy Bible. Your questions will be answered if you have ears to hear and eyes to see. God bless.
@voyagersystem That has been my prayer since I was a young child and continues to be. I also read my Bible daily. (Until my child was born, Bible reading/study was the majority of my day; if you're a parent you'll understand how fewer hours we seem to have, lol.) God has been faithful, leading me out of the destructive cult of Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as away from the *guilt* of rejoicing over and celebrating the birth of His only begotten Son, even on Christmas day.
@fairwhether1, ... God will also lead you out of pagan idolatry. If you celebrate pagan festivals using pagan idols and you feel no guilt, then that is from the god of this world.
@voyagersystem The birth of Jesus Christ is not pagan, nor is celebrating His birth celebrating a pagan festival. There are many theories about the origin of the Christmas tree & it seems that even people on these boards can't agree which is correct. The god of this world wants a world without Christ, and it would seem he is using the cults & unfortunately others to spread his message that Christmas is somehow evil to prevent us from celebrating the joy of God's love for us in sending His Son.
@fairwhether1, So where in The Holy Bible does it tell us to ... dedicate the day of the pagan solstice plus an old pagan roman festival, by gorging ourselves stupid and decorating and dancing around pyramid shaped trees ... to the birth of Jesus Christ?
@voyagersystem Are you aware of the Jewish festival of purim? It was neither commanded nor condemned by God in scripture. What better day to commemorate the light of the world entering humanity than the darkest day of the year? The light of Christ even pierces the darkest of days! We should dedicate *every* day to God, & not shy away from some because pagans also chose that day. As for your caricature of a Christian Christmas celebration, you once again paint with a broad brush.
@fairwhether1, you never answered my question. That is because 'Christmas' isn't in The Holy Bible and nor does Jesus tell us to celebrate something called 'Christmas' with all the pagan idiolatry associated with it. ... Do as thou wilt. The catholic and anglican church certainly do. But do not say that it is supported by God or his Word.
@voyagersystem I did; ignore if you will. Christ's birth was celebrated in scripture & like Purim, it is neither commanded by God nor condemned for us to celebrate it today. Again, there are many theories on the origin of the Christmas tree, not all originating in paganism. God created evergreens; if they're in the "shape of a pyramid" it is for His glory. If you wish to condemn Christians for celebrating Christ that's your choice, but don't do it with your broad brush and incorrect caricatures.
@fairwhether1, ... you are free to continue to make up whatever you like and do whatever you want. But what you are doing is not of God. It is from Satan.
@voyagersystem If you belive that sharing the gospel and celebrating the birth of Christ--even on Dec. 25th--is from satan...you likewise are free to do that. I will pray for you.
@fairwhether1, I rebuke un-Biblical Dec 25th catholic/ anglican pagan idiolatry in the name of Jesus Christ and I bind all unclean religious spirits associated with this date.
@voyagersystem Sharing the gospel and celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ are not unbiblical, nor are they satanic. Why are you afraid of a date? It is a day that God created, one that we are to rejoice in and be glad!
@voyagersystem My original comment was in response to your assumption that Christians who celebrate Christmas also celebrate halloween & will thus defend child sacrifices to which you replied "sin begets sin" etc. You assume much, including that celebrating Christ's birth is celebrating a pagan festival (a sin), with which I highly disagree. You also didn't answer my question, are you without sin? If not, please consider Christ's words in Mt.7:1-2. May God bless you as you truly seek after Him.
@fairwhether1, You sound like you need deliverance from a religious demon. They are great at helping you to make things up about The Bible. There are people that can help.
@voyagersystem Respectfully, from your original assumptions I will take this as a compliment (Mt.5:11). I stand by my original assessment of your statement above and urge you to consider what *you* sound like when you assert that those who celebrate Christmas will also defend child sacrifice.
@fairwhether1, I rebuke you in adding your own religious celebrations to The Holy Bible and I take authority over all unclean religious spirits, spirits of pagan festivals such as Christmas and Halloween and all pagan idolatry associated therein, spirits of solstice, tree worship, yule logs and child sacrifice and I bind them in the name of Jesus Christ.
@voyagersystem I'm sorry if I've upset or offended you, that hasn't been my intent. But I do stand by my comments. Are you aware that some Christians would also claim that what you are doing here with 'rebuking' & 'binding' spirits is also an unbiblical practice based on Biblical misinterpretation? Please be careful in judging the hearts and intentions of your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. That is His job, not yours.
@fairwhether1, II Tim. 4:2 "...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine." ... Eph. 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
@voyagersystem Yes, and as I previously pointed out, there are those who would say that that practice is unbiblical and based on a misinterpretation of the scriptures you've cited. JW's are famous for prooftexting; context is always key. But this is a topic for another video and another time. I exort you again to be careful in judging the hearts & intentions of your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ...
@fairwhether1, "Context" is straight from the devil. Satan and his human puppets love "context" because it allows them to twist God's Word to suit their oiwn agenda. God expects us to judge. It's all through The Bible. Your words are from satan. See what I mean, one sin leads to another. Let satan into your life through made up religious festivals and pagan idolatry and now you are blinded to God's Word. You are neither my sister nor my brother, but I pray that you REPENT and turn to Jesus.
@voyagersystem No, context-along with illumination from the Holy Spirit-is what allows one to see when others have twisted the words of scripture to suit their own agendas. "of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."-Lk.6:45b Your heart has spoken much here; I continue to hold you in prayer...
@fairwhether1, There is no such thing as a pagan Christian. You either serve Jesus or you serve satan. Therefore I rebuke your mis-use of God's Holy Word and your pagan idolatry in the name of Jesus Christ. I rebuke all religious spirits working through you. I rebuke all false prayers of 'illumination' send my way, in the name of Jesus. God bless.
@voyagersystem Dear Heavenly Father, I pray for this soul. I pray that you would break the spirit of bondage and fear to which s/he is bound so that s/he may find true freedom and peace in Christ Jesus our Lord. I pray that s/he would be filled with the overwhelming joy of celebrating with Your people the great & awesome thing You have done for us in sending Your son to save us from our sins! I pray that the spirit of deception moving in the world will never be able to silence your people; that
@voyagersystem Your gospel will go forth and awaken those slumbering at every possible opportunity, and I praise You that at Christmastime, You have given us such a great opportunity to share Your love & truth with a lost & dying world. Please help us to use our time wisely & boldly speak the truth in love, in season & out. I pray that this dear soul will realize the importance of Your word & see how many have taken things, twisting them *out* of context to their own destruction. I pray that
@voyagersystem they would not do the same, nor would I. Father, if my own thinking is wrong, remove it from me and replace it with Your truth. I praise You, Lord, that every day is a day that You have made, and that every bit of nature is of Your own hand. I thank You for the reminder to rejoice always and ask that You will help me to do so. I love You, Lord, and it is both a terrifying thought and overwhelming comfort that You know the intent of my heart. You alone are our Judge; our Savior.
@voyagersystem I pray dear Father, God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob, that Your Holy Spirit will move upon us and lead us into Your truth. In Jesus' beautiful name I pray, amen.
@voyagersystem Jesus Christ is Lord; He is my Lord and Savior. God knows those who are His, and He hears the prayers of His people. No judgment from man or "rebuke" can stop that ;)
@fairwhether1, Lord, I rebuke all false prayers directed towards me from professing christians who add Your Holy Name to pagan festivals. I rebuke all religious 'seasonal' demons of pagan idolatry and occult practices that are currently working through many professing christians in public forums. I pray that Your Holy Spirit come upon them, to release them from this bondage of satan. I ask all this in Jesus' mighty name! Amen.
@fairwhether1 You are right. The god of this world is the one who is behind this anti-Christmas campaign. These people are being used by Satan & don't know it.
Beautiful tree !! thank u for the video !! I do not worship my x-mas tree is a tree !! I am a cristian it doesn't mean I have to lock my house and never open the door again .
It is not true that the Christmas tree originated in the 15th century. The decorated evergreen tree was Venus, the queen of heaven, the goddess of fertility 4000 years ago. When the Bible talks about the grove and the high places, it is a reference to the placing of idols under the evergreen in the worship of the patron gods and Baal. Do a careful study on Baal and the grove in the OT. So far, your research is superficial at best. The key here is associating Baal rituals with Christ.
Amen youre right on, That scripture in Jeremiah is taken out of context, I love to take advantage of the oppourtunity to share the gospel this time of Year..Merry Christmas bro!
If that's the case then why run alternative activities at your Church on halloween? Couldn't Christians participate in halloween and not have any pagan intent, just innocent fun dressing up etc.?
@RPM11111 What exactly would they be celebrating, then? Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. What would halloween be celebrating? Many people do just what you've suggested, though. It would be interesting to understand why :)
@fairwhether1 to the vast majority of people "Halloween" is a completely secular day for kids to wear fun costumes, get candy and people to run around in "haunted" houses (that nobody really thinks are haunted), watch scary movies or tell scary stories and have fun. just as there are people who do wicked things on halloween which are an extreme minority, there are people who do wicked things on Christmas too (vandalism, drunken violence, theft, etc)
@fairwhether1, but then those people who do wicked things on those days do not tarnish the holiday itself, anymore than a pastor sleeping with his mistress or extorting money from his congregation on a Sunday turns that day evil for the majority who treat it as a day of prayer and rest in the Lord.
"Halloween" itself is not anything but a secular fun day for kids and their parents and their friends in the neighborhood. All Saints Day and All Souls' Day are real Christian holidays (and I'll wait for certain protestants to complain that they're "Catholic" and therefore wrong, 3, 2, 1...) but Halloween is just the day before All Saint's Day. it's no more a Christian holiday than "Fast Tuesday" or "Black Friday"
@fairwhether1 Halloween is just a secular celebration of candy and costumes, but All Saints day is celebrating the triumph of the faithful ones in heaven (which we all strive to be with, by God's grace)., all Souls' Day is praying for the dead (here I'm sure our protestant brothers and sisters will have mixed feelings), our departed loved ones. think of the hope of the resurrection, if that helps and you don't believe in purgatory.
@RPM11111 I agree, they could. but why not do both? the churches who do those activities are not doing anything wrong. however if they are doing those things BECAUSE They think trick or treating is pagan and evil and is going to send Satan after their kids, then there's something wrong with their thinking.
@RPM11111 Halloween isn't a Christian holiday. nobody needs to celebrate it. but if you say it's evil and shame on any Christian who participates, again, that's the problem. it's like saying Christians enjoying Football is evil, because some people get drunk at games or skip church service to watch it or take it too seriously or curse at the players or because people get injured sometimes, and team sports were once played by pagans and some mascots are based on pagan imagery.
@RPM111111, what's positive about Halloween? I can think of some things, creativity (costumes, parties, etc), community building, generosity (giving), helping kids gain confidence (facing their irrational fears down). those are positive things.
@RPM11111 anything could be an idol. the question is, IS a Christmas tree an "idol" for anyone? apart from the potential for ANYTHING (including an image that exists only in someone's mind) to be an idol, no it's not. a person could make a Bible into an idol. but the biblical verse clearly describes something that is carved, enlaid with gold and silver, carried and treated like an idol of a god (otherwise why ask if it can speak or walk as the image would suggest?)
@RPM11111 so Jeremiah cannot be speaking of or inferring "Christmas trees," or holly wreathes or yule logs or santa clause or mistle toe, or egg nog or whatever else.
@RPM11111 the Bible could be an idol, so by that logic, why not say Jeremiah is warning us against the Bible? a Christmas tree COULD potentially be used as an idol, but that's not what the verses in Jeremiah are talking about, and to argue they are, and use them to condemn other people, that's what we're saying is a misuse of Scripture.
Love this channel. But not 'the tree thing'. Have lined up all the images I had stored with pagan symbols from my old life next to the paper shredder, including 'trees with ribbons and lights' to be made into recycled paper. Beautiful yes, but a slap in the face of my Creator.
While the "Christmas Tree" is of Pagan origin so are gift exchanges, Santa Claus, deer, yule logs, holly, mistletoe, green&red, the boar's head, caroling, wassailing, the mid-December date If a Christian doesn't feel comfortable with these customs then don't practice them but I don't see how any of them are harmful or specifically condemned in the Bible. As Pagan, I don't mind if Christians borrow our customs and celebrate the birth of the son on the day of the birth of the Sun. Good vid Shaz!
Okay, here's my last comment on t'subject: attention equals worship. If you can call singing a simply stupid song worship, then the acts of selecting a tree, transporting a tree, erecting a tree and decorating it with lights and baubles and gimmickry (jim-crackery?) - certainly there is more effort expended in the one than the other. Erecting an Xmas tree is more than simply singing a song, no? I then stamp and accept your patent worship of Pagan gods. Thank you!.
@MsGingergingercat that's nonsense logic. how much effort does it take to go grocery shopping for your family? certainly more than it does going to church. and then preparing the food, eating it, cleaning up after, etc. that takes a lot of time and attention even if you use modern conveniences. that takes more effort than prayer, surely. so since pagans fed their families and offered that food to idols and such long before Christians, is this "pagan worship" at dinner?
@MsGingergingercat by having a Christmas tree in one's home on Christmas, which "pagan gods" are you worshiping? "time and attention" do not equal worship. that would mean you couldn't watch tv, play sports, read a book, or do anything that might take any effort more or equal to anything you do in church worshiping God. but Christians who honor Christmas do so in honor of Christ, so it's immaterial how much time it takes.
@MsGingergingercat if the apostle Paul approved of Christians participating in activities that IN HIS OWN TIME were directly related to pagan worship of idols (eating meat sacrificed to them), how much more would it be silly for Christians to get upset over something that may have had a vague association with some pagan religion a long, forgotten age ago. I think it's breathtakingly simple logic that defeats this legalist paranoia, and it is legalist paranoia, I'm afraid.
@MsGingergingercat if it personally offends your conscience, don't do it, as others have said. but you need to realize that you're quite mistaken. the intention does matter, and nobody who celebrates Christmas today is intending to worship pagan idols in the process. even neo-pagans had to invent their own holidays to do this "around" this time of year. You might as well argue that Hannukah is "pagan" and therefore a danger to souls.
"Does anybody make (pagan) associations today?" asks Shaz. Welll.... (I would answer).... yes, of course there are people who 'make those associations'.... but we're polite enough not to point them out. I mean, come on Shaz - do you expressly point out to all and sundry that the wearing of the 'white dress' of the bride is to mean she is a virgin? Are you to test her.... umm... whiteness? Your Xmas tree is Pagan, thru and thru. No doubt, no doubt. Test it. I invite you!!!
@MsGingergingercat the fact is that they're not making pagan associations. the point Shaz made is that if these "anti-christmas" folks applied the same logic to the rest of their lives, they'd realize how hypocritical it is. second, he makes the point that nobody cares about those pagan gods anyway, so in no way are they being honored or worshiped by carrying on customs that may or may not once have had an association with them.
It is rather heartening to see a dedicated Xtian like Shaz erect a truly Pagan Xmas tree in his home. The fact that such a dedicated Xtian should mount and decorate a True Pagan Symbol in the middle of his household is really a symbol of interfaith understanding, no?
@MsGingergingercat it's Xian, if you're going to use it. "Xtian" doesn't make any sense since the "X" is just a stand-in for "Christ." Christtian? silly
@MsGingergingercat if you were right, then Shaz would be chopping down a tree in the forest, carving it into the shape of an idol, dressing it up in fine purple clothes and layering it with gold and silver, then carrying it around to be worshiped. I don't see him doing that, in fact I don't see anyone doing that on Christmas. So you're being quite unreasonable in calling a Christmas tree "pagan."
Xmas is Pagan. 'Nuff said. No matter what Shaz says: the Xmas tree is Yggdrasil, christ was NOT born in December (read yer damn smholy book, eh?) and no Xtian can deny that the whole of the damned holiday was historically stolen, lock stock and barrel from Pagan culture(s), eh?
@MsGingergingercat sorry but "Xmas" is also Christian, in fact the term was first used by Christians to refer to the celebration of his birth (many modern folks don't know this and so think they're being "edgy" or controversial and "taking the Christ out of Christmas" by saying Xmas. Christians can uphold history, to the frustration of conspiracy theorists, I'm happy to say.
Jesus himself celebrated Hanukkah (The feast of the Dedication) John 10:22. This was when the Jews re-dedicated the Temple again after the defeat of the Seleucid Empire talked about in the apocrypha. (1 Mac 4:56-59). This was a non-biblical holiday by most protestant standards.
If he didn't celebrate this holiday, why was he in the Temple ON THIS DAY?
Would those who oppose Christmas be caught at a Christmas party?
@pretoshohmoofc "Hanukkah..." Yes! Also, purim which we see originating in the book of Esther. Note Esther 9:27,28. This celebration is neither commanded nor condemned by God in scripture, yet how much more important is the fact that God kept His promise and Jesus was born!
@fairwhether1 Yes! The Heavens rejoiced!! merits of angels singing! The heavens lined up in the sky to pave the way for the Kings of the East. Shepherds coming to worship the One True shepherd. If this isn't God celebrating the birth of his only begotten Son through his creation, I don't know what is?
It is only because of the media perpetualy spouting multiculture and it is offensive to muslims/jews/hindis whatever! just look at the Whitehouse...xmas tree= evil...yet a massive jewish menora..celibrating a military victory over christians??WTF
Peace and good will on earth...that is the real meaning of Christmas.
Yet a campaign against having anything christian in our schools again wtf?
I was a Roman Catholic. Christmas is essentially a RCC creation. I am a Jehovah's Witness so I do not celebrate RC holidays. Mentioning the wedding ring as of pagan origins is quite wrong and I find it disturbing that someone as educated as yourself would continue to promote it as such. The OT is full of examples where the Jew's gave jewelry (including rings) as gifts to the wedding party and partners. Jeremiah is obviously talking about idols that are carved, not just cut down and worshiped.
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH plenty of things the Jews did in the Old Testament was done by pagans before them... .sacrifices, altars, temples, prayers, priests, kings. you can make that argument to say we can't do anything, because some pagan did it before you, and yes, with the "blessings" of his "gods"
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH correction, you don't celebrate ANY holidays. There's nothing wrong with celebrating a holiday to honor Christ. in fact, there's nothing wrong with any holiday, biblicaly speaking, if done with thanksgiving to the one true God. and no offense, but why would you reject something because one organization endorsed it, but accept it because another did? at least the RCC goes back to the early church, not some date setters. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh
@XSC3 You should make a careful study of Daniel 12 before declaring "the early church" as something special. It is special only in that it was the boiling pot in which paganism and truth were brewed together to become Christendom. The true knowledge would not be made know until "the end times." And as the Magesterium would say, that knowledge is progressive as is all pursuit of truth.
so why do you have a tree shazoolo .?? just out of intrest what was your motive for putting a tree in your house then decorating it ? and why only in dec? many thanks
"Correct" is like "yes I do believe they bring in demons"?
If so, as Shazaloo pointed out... are you invitiving demons into fellowship with your spirit when you mention the names of the week because of their pagan association/origin? Is that also a super-succesful scheme of Satan to demonize mankind?
@JamesJon1187, To take what you are saying that to it's opposite extreme, ... well, if I cannot be 100% free of satan's world, then I may as well celebrate all the pagan festivals ... My question is; how does adorning a pagan symbol in one's home glorify Jesus Christ? The attachment to 'the tree' is an emotional one from our childhoods, alongside years of clever marketing of 'the symbol', so that it becomes a much loved tradition. Sentimentality leads to worldliness which leads to the demonic.
Well, to classify the CHristian alternative of a pagan festival as pagan because of the original date and possibly(?) a few diddly characteristics of it is were the same is hardly gorging out in pagan festivals. But about the question of which ones... I reckon you'll need to be spirit led about that, let's say there was a pagan festival for spring and everyone helped plant each other's fields then had a feast (like a festive, dinner, not a gluttenous gorging) -cont
together afterward in goodwill. I think there would be nothing wrong with Christians celebrating that.... you gotta look at the contents.
About the CHristmas tree, if you've ever read any articles about it, people attatch all sorts of god glorifying messages into it (that's how I grew up)... the evergreen is like the everlasting life given by JEsus, the candles remind us that the light of the world has come to us in this time of year.. the star.. is the star...etc.
@JamesJon1187, Have you read The Bible? You cannot serve God and satan at the same time. The reason why? Where do I begin?! lol. Paganism is demon worship pure and simple and if you adopt their rituals you worship the enemy of God. Just because the freemasons do some charirable work, doesn't make their demon worship right. They will end up in Hell. You don't need candles when you have the light of God in your heart.
@voyagersystem He didn't adopt their (the pagans) rituals, he "adopted the rituals" of his parents. He was taught, as many have been, that these things are positive symbols to help illustrate and share our faith with others. Do you ever eat candy canes? Better not eat them anymore! Pretzels, either-they're not necessarily associated with a holiday, but just to be on the safe side ;)
@fairwhether1, pray for yourself that your eyes are opened, having gone from jehovah witness to catholic paganism, bringing your religious demons with you. It just goes to show that even professing Christians, if they are not born again, and indwelt by The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ, can just as easily come under the direct influence of satan.
@voyagersystem “Paganism is demon worship pure and simple and if you adopt their rituals you worship the enemy of God. Just because the freemasons do some charirable work, doesn't make their demon worship right.” -No, but just because Freemasons do some charitable works, doesn't make charitable work evil, you know.
@JamesJon1187, right, and just because satan poses as an angel of light, and just because demons can heal people through reiki, which they do ... doesn't make it evil ... because when satan is emitting light it must be good right, because light is good ..., and the healing must be good right, because the person is healed, right ... Wrong.
The problem with Paganism is its worship of demons and Satan..the same applies to anything associated with it.When done in worship and glory to demons & Satan they are evil,but in & of themselves they are not.
For example, Is dancing now eternally condemned by God because pagans have included it in their ceremonies. Will you then condemn David for dancing to the Lord (2 Samuel 6:14) or the Psalmist for encouraging Israel to dance to the glory of God (Psalms 149:3)?
@JamesJon1187, Christians who particpate in pagan rituals, festivals and idolatry and dedicate them to Jesus Christ are being decieved by the devil. Jesus doesn't need it.
Is lighting a candle in a church service now demonic because the pagans have done likewise to "gods" for eons? What about God and the candle-stands in Leviticus? Or God allowing his people to build Him a temple... or using an altar for sacrifice for that matter? The pagans were the ones with the temples and altars first, you know. God allowed -actually commanded- Israel to, in a sense, copy them..but it wasn't a problem, because of the intent/purpose of it all.
Really, was God conjuring demons into his house by including the same things pagans used in their demon/idol worship (candles, altars, priests), thus--condemning himself & His people to damnation?
The heart and intent is what God judges by.
Same goes,as Shazaloo pointed out, 4 weddings and (as another pointed out) pringles. Aren't they from old Celtic knots? Unto the pure all things are pure (Titus 1:15). Be careful for condemning the guiltless (Mat 12:1-7)
@JamesJon1187. Jesus did not build 'his house' using (candles, altars, priests). God's kingdom is not of this world. Jesus was not pagan. He cast out demons. He did not worship them. He came to save humanity, not to participate in pagan rituals that were created in the mind of satan. ... Why not just erect and adorn a golden calf instead?
@voyagersystem yet the Kingdom of God has come near, it is not merely in heaven, unseen. God's people are here, the Church militant on earth. So, temples, candles, altars, books, prayers, visible signs of that kingdom are here, not just in good deeds or secret embraces. did the Jews keep pagan rituals commanded by God? surely not. so neither then do the Christians. Jesus did not condemn ritual, only those accompanied by hypocrisy, like the prophets before him.
@voyagersystem do you worship in a church building? the early Christians did. do you worship in a home? so did the early Christians. but you know who else worshiped in buildings and in homes? pagans. pagans had household shrines and household gods, they prayed in their homes, and outdoors. so there's no way to escape "doing something like the pagans did." the different is whom we are glorifying, the One God (Trinity), not fake idols.
@voyagersystem You understand that the golden calf wasn't evil itself, but the Israellite's ridiculous worship of it was what defiled it, right?..... I mean, God had angels carved out for the ark of the covenant. Were they idols becuase they were "images"/statues -- no they were decorations. Would Moses have been right to have smashed them as idols? -Not unless the camp of Israel was worshipping them.
Neway, this probably ain't going to go anywhere so bye and MErry Christmas!
@voyagersystem we've established that Jeremiah 10 can't be used to condemn Christmas trees. we've established that Christians don't worship trees (in case that was in doubt). what else have you got? please don't come back and tell us that "the cross is a pagan symbol"
@JamesJon1187 ... look at The Word of God. The Contents and the knowledge that goes to make up our world views are from the ruler of this world and his legions.
"Sentimentality leads to worldliness which leads to the demonic."
Some is unhealthy for sure, some isn't...and enjoying the warm feeling you got as a child from looking at the beauty of the tree lit up with the CHristmas lights, shining in the dark room. To seriously condemn something as innocent as that as trailing into the demonic... I reckon JEsus would've classed someone like that with the Pharisees..."You strain out gnats and swallowing camels!"
to condemn mammon-worship (when it's truly the case) at Christmas is understandably just, but innocent enjoyement of beautiful Christmas trees(when they aren't the star of the season, over Jesus) is good and Godly... Remember the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as are like little children (Mat 18:3) keep the faith genuine, child-like, and simple and not overzealously micro-regulated or you might end up shutting the door to in some people's faces (Mat 23:13).
@JamesJon1187, God's people perish for a lack of knowledge. Children are innocent. You are an adult who needs to put away childhish things. I do not condem or repremans. I love all people. I
@JamesJon1187, The devil can twist the word of God in order to decieve. If you feel condemed it is not my myself, but by The Holy Spirit. When I was born again I died to my old life and so the practice of pagan rituals disturbs me. There is much beauty in the birth of Christ without resorting to pagan symbolism/ devil worship. God's people perish through a lack of knowledge. I care enough about people to tell the truth.
I just read your profile and could see why you'd want to say stay far away from anything possibly pagan as possible. Sorry if I sould overbearing in a personal way. I believe if it would be going against your conscience and faith to do it, you shouldn't, but I do believe to condemn Christmas trees across the board is wrong too & I know Jesus wouldn't repremand anyone for having them in their house, should he pop visit a home for Christmas.
@JamesJon1187, Jesus is not tolerant. He is gracious and forgiving. Tolerance is from The Devil himself and is part of the new age end times deception. At no time did Jesus ever involve himself in pagan rituals. He came with a sword. He came to tell the truth.
Owning figurines is not wrong. They aren't evil. But some of the things people can do with them ARE, like worshipping them, paying more attention to them than to God (both idolatry) & more. Displaying a tree (sweater, sale, party, etc.) to celebrate the fact Christ was born on any day u want isn't bad. But other things people can do with that thing CAN be bad like worshipping it or paying more attention to it than God (idolatry) threatening kids w/burning it, pressuring a poor man to buy 1...
@EmBeesWeb the thing is, WHO is worshiping figurines, WHO is "paying more attention to them than God"? "threatening kids with burning it"?? pressuring a "poor man to buy it"?
I have to say I love Christmas time. It is a great way to share the history of our savior with children and adults alike. It has always been a very favorite time of year for me, for many reasons. Ultimately the Lord knows our hearts. By the way I really liked your comic relief in the beginning, made me laugh. You have a very gentle and kind way of explaining the scriptures clearly. Thank you.
a lot of things are now just traditions. But I thought that early Christians put their holidays over the pagan holidays and had a slight blend to make an easier transition for pagans into Christianity? I heard that somewhere before, but i'm not sure of the accuracy.
I cannot even have a painting of a mermaid on my wall without a demon turning up and commenting. I sang 'dark waltz' one day and a demon promptly emailed me with the subject line "On Hold Between The Two." Meaning himself and Jesus. I never sang that song again. These things seem harmless, but that's the devil talking, they are NOT harmless. I used to love Christmas trees and you have erected a beautiful one, but The Holy Spirit is weeping
Decorating trees gives demons associated with the old pagan practices and idolatry the 'legal rights' to enter into your sphere of existence. Once they do, then one pagan influence will/ can lead to another, all depending of course, what that particular demon specialises in, and where they know your weaknesses to be. Close the door on pagan rituals and leave no room for the devil in your life. They only need a crack to get through. Dangerous times ahead. Don't follow the pretty lights.
If you don't have faith for Christmas... great. DOn't celebrate it, but do you really think the Devil is so almightily powerful that Christmas trees bring in demons?
Even if you really want to keep the demonized view of Christmas, remember what Paul said about meat sacrificed to idols?... if someone don't have the faith for it, don't push it on them, but "we know and idol is nothing" and if the person has faith to eat the meat, it is not wrong.
@JamesJon1187, correct. I do not put my faith in demons or their pagan rituals. My only faith is in Jesus Christ. The devil does have a degree of power given to him by God. Afterall, he is currently the ruler of this world. But he is more cunning, than powerful, which is why, if you do not do your homework on pagan rituals and their origins, demons and spiritual warfare, you will be decieved. The devil is smarter than you are.
@JamesJon1187, thanks and same to you. The birth of Jesus leaves me agape, to reflect on and to feel joy for His entire life, from birth to death to life again. But this year I will be leaving elves, satan claus, snow men, green men, yule logs, sacrifices, adorning trees and tree spirits back where they belong, .. in the mind of the evil one.
@JamesJon1187, the exorcism of pagan practices from my life is not about exchanging complexity for simplicity. It is a natural process of sanctification that occurs after being born again that brings me into a closer relationship with my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I celebrate the birth, dead and rebirth of Jesus every day of my life. God Bless.
@JamesJon1187, "or through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." 1 Corinthians 8:4-13 The 'weak' are the ones who will be led to this practise by sinning Christians. Christians are not to lead others to satan.
@JamesJon1187 that's a good point, if pagan idols have "real power" then surely nothing would be worse than eating meat sacrificed to an idol, yet Paul permits it, and calls those who avoid that kind of stuff for fear it could hurt them "weak." (the only justification he gave for avoiding such things was to protect those fragile souls who think that stuff was actually dangerous)
@XSC3, "or through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." Your comments are a misrepresentation, a twisting of God's word. Repent.
@voyagersystem, you should be yelling at the people twisting Jeremiah, not me. Of course you should not seek to ruin your weaker brother's faith. But is it good to let your brother remain weak in faith and ignorant forever? You should enlighten him and then he won't have this stumbling block anymore, will he? It's a small minority who are scared and offended by these Christian holidays. you're asking every Christian to give up their freedom, instead of educating those few?
@voyagersystem in Paul's time you had two camps in the Church, the Jews and the Gentiles. The Jews were mostly still keeping kosher and were circumcised. the Gentiles were fresh out of idolatry. I think our cultures have been out of pagan idolatry for so long, it's not the same situation that we would be threatened to fall back into it at the drop of a hat. it's a greater temptation for people to become atheists or religiously indifferent (and lukewarm), than to become idolaters.
@JamesJon1187 then the question becomes, can a mature Christian do ANYTHING for fear that it might "appear" bad and scandalize some person with weak faith? the solution to that is to educate our brothers and sisters weak in faith about these things to show them that they too have freedom in Christ. but always in love. I apologize for my earlier comments coming off as uncharitable
@XSC3 If you're talking about being uncharitable to me, I got no feeling of the sort from you-if you're talking about "Christmas was always Christian, not pagan..etc",if you're right about facts(& you are when you're talking about it the sense that "Christmas" is the CHristian version of the pagan holiday), you're right... don't feel like you're mean because you corrected me. Only arrogant fools can't stand that (to be correctly corrected -Pro 9:8).
Wow, Shaz, I cannot think of a time I have disagreed with you more. You are usually right on the mark, but this time you are WAY off, brother, way off.
I love your videos my brother...your wisdom is God breathed and inspiring! The love and wisdom of God is with you man. Thank you for sharing what God reveals in your critical thinking. I tend to stand by your videos before I even watch them...of course i weigh them and I show no partiality nor respect of persons, but I find that the Spirit of the Lord is with you and you hear His voice. Stay sharp my brother....you are kindling a great flame in Messiah. Godly wisdom is contagious.
Had someone tell me that Jesus would be offended because we celebrate his BIRTHDAY on day that likely isn't his birthday. Asked him if he thought Jesus would be more offended by me choosing to celebrate his BIRTH with the rest of the world or me choosing NOT to celebrate his BIRTH with the rest of the world because of some silly human conceived technicality? That conversation ended right there.
People too often do what they want to do instead of what's right or what G-d would want them to do. Do whatever you want, everyone will answer to G-d.
It is natural for a Christian to celebrate Christmas so I am not surprised you are for it. Read 2 King chapter 17 it was associated with mixed worship. I would totally disagree with everything you said and would like to post my video as a video response.
Likewise, it seems Shazolo thinks just because JWs don't like it it is okay to celebrate because just about everything else with JWs is wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Christians should care about truth and stick by it. And the truth is Christmas is pagan nor does it say in the Bible it is Jesus' B-day.
@vizion24 Christmas is by definition, the celebration of the birth of Christ. so in that sense it is in no way "pagan." that would be a contradiction in terms. It would be like calling the New Testament: "The Christian Quran" or something. if you celebrated Christmas on January 6, or March 21st, it's still Christmas, the celebration of the birth of Christ, it's not "secretly" a pagan holiday honoring pagan idols.
@XSC3 But the birth of Christ is not said to be born on Dec. 25 but believed to be in the Fall. Moreover the celebration of Christmas is simply not Biblical.
What the world defines Christmas as is unimportant. What's important is fact and truth. If one believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25 and that Christmas is biblical then he believes in a lie.
Am I saying that Christians are bad for celebrating Christmas? Of course not. I'm just saying standing on biblical truth is what's important.
@vizion24 I've often wondered. What if He was conceived by the Holy Spirit on Dec 25th.? That would explain why He'd be born 9 months later on Yom Kippur in the Fall which makes a lot of sense. A fetus in the womb is a human from the very moment of conception.
@DeliverTheWord1 nah they be zygotes son THEN they become a fetus (after the tragic genocide of millions of innocents......god rest their souls for another quickie reincarnation)
@vizion24 The celebration of Christmas *is* Biblical. Christ's birth was celebrated in the Bible by men AND angels. Today, it isn't just a day, but a season. Beginning w/advent, we celebrate & look forward to commemorating when Christ was born on earth, as well as His 2nd coming. Christmas day commemorates His first. Epiphany, which isn't until Jan.6th, commemorates when the wise men finally arrived.
@fairwhether1 Are you serious? The celebration of Christmas is not biblical. Where in the bible does it say to celebrate Jesus b-day? Where in the bible does it give the dates to celebrate what you mentioned? What does the mistletoe, christmas tree, an omniscent santa clause, elves etc. have to do with Jesus? The fact is it is a man-made (or devil made) day. Otherwise please show me a valid reference for your claim. TY.
@vizion24 Do you "celebrate Jesus' b.day everyday, not just one day a year" Like many JW's claim they can/do? If so, why would you deny the ablitly to do so on those dates? Dates allow the body of Christ to come together and collectively offer worship for those things no matter where we are in the world. (Think of it as you would the WT & Awake magazine articles all being read on the same Sundays.) Do you deny that Christ's birth was celebrated in scripture?
@fairwhether1 Please type "Christmas was illegal in America..Care For Some Truth?" on the search on Youtube and watch the video with the title. Allow Caryl Matrisciana teach you the truth about Christmas.
@vizion24 For a balanced view, readers can also google A Christian Defense of the Christmas Celebration: A Special Time to Celebrate the Fullness of the Time (which is a sermon by Pastor Kerry Kinchen).
@XSC3 The day that it is celebrated is. And if you look into the history and reasoning behind it and where it comes from as determined by well known HISTORIANS then you will see. Google it. Don't argue, Google it.
@vizion24 If there is a day which you are not willing to celebrate the birth of Messiah nor capitalize on the stage that invites the mentioning of Christ, you are probably not clinging to wisdom or worst, you are fully religious and not of the Kingdom. All 7 days of the week which you call by their pagan names are still relevant days that God has created. The hamburger that you buy may be made by an athiest yet you eat it and return to the store for more. Be wise and save souls, not pride.
@jamlimited3 Not celebrating a pagan day founded by the Catholic Church, perhaps the biggest religious cults in the world, makes me religious? Really?
Listen, I'm not telling anyone to not to celebrate Christmas or people who do are bad. People do what they want. But for the sake of being factual, there is no biblical basis for Christmas. There is no scripture that says He was born on Dec. 25. Evidence says He was born in the Fall. Moreover the elements of Christmas are pagan.
@vizion24 No day is pagan and what pagans do on any day has nothing to do with what you are not willing to do for the Lord or for the good of the Kingdom. Show me a Catholic who uses source material to teach Jesus was born on December 25th and Ill show you somebody irrelevant to Christmas. Word of mouth often misconstrues truth right? You cant take info from one false religion(JW) whole heartedly to debunk another(Catholic). December 25 is a fine day to sabotage and remember Jesus.
I'd say no they shouldn't
FirebrandNIRE 1 month ago
"...December 25 was not chosen to continue something pagans do. Instead it was chosen to make a theological statement concerning the supremacy of the worship of Christ over the futility, sin, and vacuousness, of worshipping the created." (from A Christian Defense of the Christmas Celebration by Kerry Kinchan)
fairwhether1 1 month ago
The same people who defend the pagan tree idolatry associated with the winter solstice, are also defending the celebration of demonic presence as halloween. As said, one act for the devil leads to another ... These same people will defend child sacrifice, if not already doing so. Decorating houses with satanic symbols for 'decoration' has the same effect as consulting a psychic medium for fun, or wearing an occult sign around the neck for fashion.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem Respectfully. You are painting with a broad brush. Not all Christians who celebrate Christmas also celebrate halloween, and to jump to the conclusion that those who do will also defend child sacrifice is a ridiculous assumption.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, God paints us all with the same brush. If I open myself up to demons by participating in a pagan ritual, then so does every other Christian. There is not one rule for myself and one rule for others. Sin begets sin. Study up on your spiritual warfare.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem The same brush that you paint with? Are you God? Are you without sin? Are you one that "celebrates Christmas everyday" even if you don't think we're commanded to celebrate Christ's birth in scripture? Does only the sin of "participating in a pagan ritual" open one up to "defending child sacrifice", or are other sins capable of the same?
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, I said, 'God paints us all with the same brush.' In otherwords, sin is sin to God. My advise is to pray to God to open your eyes and to read The Holy Bible. Your questions will be answered if you have ears to hear and eyes to see. God bless.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem That has been my prayer since I was a young child and continues to be. I also read my Bible daily. (Until my child was born, Bible reading/study was the majority of my day; if you're a parent you'll understand how fewer hours we seem to have, lol.) God has been faithful, leading me out of the destructive cult of Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as away from the *guilt* of rejoicing over and celebrating the birth of His only begotten Son, even on Christmas day.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, ... God will also lead you out of pagan idolatry. If you celebrate pagan festivals using pagan idols and you feel no guilt, then that is from the god of this world.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem The birth of Jesus Christ is not pagan, nor is celebrating His birth celebrating a pagan festival. There are many theories about the origin of the Christmas tree & it seems that even people on these boards can't agree which is correct. The god of this world wants a world without Christ, and it would seem he is using the cults & unfortunately others to spread his message that Christmas is somehow evil to prevent us from celebrating the joy of God's love for us in sending His Son.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, So where in The Holy Bible does it tell us to ... dedicate the day of the pagan solstice plus an old pagan roman festival, by gorging ourselves stupid and decorating and dancing around pyramid shaped trees ... to the birth of Jesus Christ?
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Are you aware of the Jewish festival of purim? It was neither commanded nor condemned by God in scripture. What better day to commemorate the light of the world entering humanity than the darkest day of the year? The light of Christ even pierces the darkest of days! We should dedicate *every* day to God, & not shy away from some because pagans also chose that day. As for your caricature of a Christian Christmas celebration, you once again paint with a broad brush.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, you never answered my question. That is because 'Christmas' isn't in The Holy Bible and nor does Jesus tell us to celebrate something called 'Christmas' with all the pagan idiolatry associated with it. ... Do as thou wilt. The catholic and anglican church certainly do. But do not say that it is supported by God or his Word.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem I did; ignore if you will. Christ's birth was celebrated in scripture & like Purim, it is neither commanded by God nor condemned for us to celebrate it today. Again, there are many theories on the origin of the Christmas tree, not all originating in paganism. God created evergreens; if they're in the "shape of a pyramid" it is for His glory. If you wish to condemn Christians for celebrating Christ that's your choice, but don't do it with your broad brush and incorrect caricatures.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, ... you are free to continue to make up whatever you like and do whatever you want. But what you are doing is not of God. It is from Satan.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem If you belive that sharing the gospel and celebrating the birth of Christ--even on Dec. 25th--is from satan...you likewise are free to do that. I will pray for you.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, I rebuke un-Biblical Dec 25th catholic/ anglican pagan idiolatry in the name of Jesus Christ and I bind all unclean religious spirits associated with this date.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Sharing the gospel and celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ are not unbiblical, nor are they satanic. Why are you afraid of a date? It is a day that God created, one that we are to rejoice in and be glad!
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@voyagersystem My original comment was in response to your assumption that Christians who celebrate Christmas also celebrate halloween & will thus defend child sacrifices to which you replied "sin begets sin" etc. You assume much, including that celebrating Christ's birth is celebrating a pagan festival (a sin), with which I highly disagree. You also didn't answer my question, are you without sin? If not, please consider Christ's words in Mt.7:1-2. May God bless you as you truly seek after Him.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, You sound like you need deliverance from a religious demon. They are great at helping you to make things up about The Bible. There are people that can help.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Respectfully, from your original assumptions I will take this as a compliment (Mt.5:11). I stand by my original assessment of your statement above and urge you to consider what *you* sound like when you assert that those who celebrate Christmas will also defend child sacrifice.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, I rebuke you in adding your own religious celebrations to The Holy Bible and I take authority over all unclean religious spirits, spirits of pagan festivals such as Christmas and Halloween and all pagan idolatry associated therein, spirits of solstice, tree worship, yule logs and child sacrifice and I bind them in the name of Jesus Christ.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem I'm sorry if I've upset or offended you, that hasn't been my intent. But I do stand by my comments. Are you aware that some Christians would also claim that what you are doing here with 'rebuking' & 'binding' spirits is also an unbiblical practice based on Biblical misinterpretation? Please be careful in judging the hearts and intentions of your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. That is His job, not yours.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, II Tim. 4:2 "...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine." ... Eph. 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Yes, and as I previously pointed out, there are those who would say that that practice is unbiblical and based on a misinterpretation of the scriptures you've cited. JW's are famous for prooftexting; context is always key. But this is a topic for another video and another time. I exort you again to be careful in judging the hearts & intentions of your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ...
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, "Context" is straight from the devil. Satan and his human puppets love "context" because it allows them to twist God's Word to suit their oiwn agenda. God expects us to judge. It's all through The Bible. Your words are from satan. See what I mean, one sin leads to another. Let satan into your life through made up religious festivals and pagan idolatry and now you are blinded to God's Word. You are neither my sister nor my brother, but I pray that you REPENT and turn to Jesus.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem No, context-along with illumination from the Holy Spirit-is what allows one to see when others have twisted the words of scripture to suit their own agendas. "of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."-Lk.6:45b Your heart has spoken much here; I continue to hold you in prayer...
fairwhether1 1 month ago
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@fairwhether1, There is no such thing as a pagan Christian. You either serve Jesus or you serve satan. Therefore I rebuke your mis-use of God's Holy Word and your pagan idolatry in the name of Jesus Christ. I rebuke all religious spirits working through you. I rebuke all false prayers of 'illumination' send my way, in the name of Jesus. God bless.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Dear Heavenly Father, I pray for this soul. I pray that you would break the spirit of bondage and fear to which s/he is bound so that s/he may find true freedom and peace in Christ Jesus our Lord. I pray that s/he would be filled with the overwhelming joy of celebrating with Your people the great & awesome thing You have done for us in sending Your son to save us from our sins! I pray that the spirit of deception moving in the world will never be able to silence your people; that
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Your gospel will go forth and awaken those slumbering at every possible opportunity, and I praise You that at Christmastime, You have given us such a great opportunity to share Your love & truth with a lost & dying world. Please help us to use our time wisely & boldly speak the truth in love, in season & out. I pray that this dear soul will realize the importance of Your word & see how many have taken things, twisting them *out* of context to their own destruction. I pray that
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@voyagersystem they would not do the same, nor would I. Father, if my own thinking is wrong, remove it from me and replace it with Your truth. I praise You, Lord, that every day is a day that You have made, and that every bit of nature is of Your own hand. I thank You for the reminder to rejoice always and ask that You will help me to do so. I love You, Lord, and it is both a terrifying thought and overwhelming comfort that You know the intent of my heart. You alone are our Judge; our Savior.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@voyagersystem I pray dear Father, God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob, that Your Holy Spirit will move upon us and lead us into Your truth. In Jesus' beautiful name I pray, amen.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Jesus Christ is Lord; He is my Lord and Savior. God knows those who are His, and He hears the prayers of His people. No judgment from man or "rebuke" can stop that ;)
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, Lord, I rebuke all false prayers directed towards me from professing christians who add Your Holy Name to pagan festivals. I rebuke all religious 'seasonal' demons of pagan idolatry and occult practices that are currently working through many professing christians in public forums. I pray that Your Holy Spirit come upon them, to release them from this bondage of satan. I ask all this in Jesus' mighty name! Amen.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@fairwhether1 You are right. The god of this world is the one who is behind this anti-Christmas campaign. These people are being used by Satan & don't know it.
SRamdhani1 1 month ago 2
Beautiful tree !! thank u for the video !! I do not worship my x-mas tree is a tree !! I am a cristian it doesn't mean I have to lock my house and never open the door again .
katelling1 2 months ago
Some good vids on YouTube: "WAKE UP CHURCH!!!" "Labyrinth of truth Part 19 Christ mass"
voyagersystem 2 months ago
It is not true that the Christmas tree originated in the 15th century. The decorated evergreen tree was Venus, the queen of heaven, the goddess of fertility 4000 years ago. When the Bible talks about the grove and the high places, it is a reference to the placing of idols under the evergreen in the worship of the patron gods and Baal. Do a careful study on Baal and the grove in the OT. So far, your research is superficial at best. The key here is associating Baal rituals with Christ.
VeryImagesozo 2 months ago
Amen youre right on, That scripture in Jeremiah is taken out of context, I love to take advantage of the oppourtunity to share the gospel this time of Year..Merry Christmas bro!
robert11660 2 months ago
Just a few questions brother, in His love -
You said: "It's all about the intent"
If that's the case then why run alternative activities at your Church on halloween? Couldn't Christians participate in halloween and not have any pagan intent, just innocent fun dressing up etc.?
RPM11111 2 months ago
@RPM11111 What exactly would they be celebrating, then? Christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ. What would halloween be celebrating? Many people do just what you've suggested, though. It would be interesting to understand why :)
fairwhether1 2 months ago
@fairwhether1 to the vast majority of people "Halloween" is a completely secular day for kids to wear fun costumes, get candy and people to run around in "haunted" houses (that nobody really thinks are haunted), watch scary movies or tell scary stories and have fun. just as there are people who do wicked things on halloween which are an extreme minority, there are people who do wicked things on Christmas too (vandalism, drunken violence, theft, etc)
XSC3 2 months ago
@fairwhether1, but then those people who do wicked things on those days do not tarnish the holiday itself, anymore than a pastor sleeping with his mistress or extorting money from his congregation on a Sunday turns that day evil for the majority who treat it as a day of prayer and rest in the Lord.
XSC3 2 months ago
"Halloween" itself is not anything but a secular fun day for kids and their parents and their friends in the neighborhood. All Saints Day and All Souls' Day are real Christian holidays (and I'll wait for certain protestants to complain that they're "Catholic" and therefore wrong, 3, 2, 1...) but Halloween is just the day before All Saint's Day. it's no more a Christian holiday than "Fast Tuesday" or "Black Friday"
XSC3 2 months ago
correction: I meant to say "Fat Tuesday" (Mardi Gras)
XSC3 2 months ago
@fairwhether1 Halloween is just a secular celebration of candy and costumes, but All Saints day is celebrating the triumph of the faithful ones in heaven (which we all strive to be with, by God's grace)., all Souls' Day is praying for the dead (here I'm sure our protestant brothers and sisters will have mixed feelings), our departed loved ones. think of the hope of the resurrection, if that helps and you don't believe in purgatory.
XSC3 2 months ago
@RPM11111 I agree, they could. but why not do both? the churches who do those activities are not doing anything wrong. however if they are doing those things BECAUSE They think trick or treating is pagan and evil and is going to send Satan after their kids, then there's something wrong with their thinking.
XSC3 2 months ago
@RPM11111 Halloween isn't a Christian holiday. nobody needs to celebrate it. but if you say it's evil and shame on any Christian who participates, again, that's the problem. it's like saying Christians enjoying Football is evil, because some people get drunk at games or skip church service to watch it or take it too seriously or curse at the players or because people get injured sometimes, and team sports were once played by pagans and some mascots are based on pagan imagery.
XSC3 2 months ago
@RPM111111, what's positive about Halloween? I can think of some things, creativity (costumes, parties, etc), community building, generosity (giving), helping kids gain confidence (facing their irrational fears down). those are positive things.
XSC3 2 months ago
Could a tree be an idol in any way without being carved?
RPM11111 2 months ago
@RPM11111 anything could be an idol. the question is, IS a Christmas tree an "idol" for anyone? apart from the potential for ANYTHING (including an image that exists only in someone's mind) to be an idol, no it's not. a person could make a Bible into an idol. but the biblical verse clearly describes something that is carved, enlaid with gold and silver, carried and treated like an idol of a god (otherwise why ask if it can speak or walk as the image would suggest?)
XSC3 2 months ago
@RPM11111 so Jeremiah cannot be speaking of or inferring "Christmas trees," or holly wreathes or yule logs or santa clause or mistle toe, or egg nog or whatever else.
XSC3 2 months ago
@RPM11111 the Bible could be an idol, so by that logic, why not say Jeremiah is warning us against the Bible? a Christmas tree COULD potentially be used as an idol, but that's not what the verses in Jeremiah are talking about, and to argue they are, and use them to condemn other people, that's what we're saying is a misuse of Scripture.
XSC3 2 months ago
@XSC3 Hmmm.
RPM11111 2 months ago
Love this channel. But not 'the tree thing'. Have lined up all the images I had stored with pagan symbols from my old life next to the paper shredder, including 'trees with ribbons and lights' to be made into recycled paper. Beautiful yes, but a slap in the face of my Creator.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
While the "Christmas Tree" is of Pagan origin so are gift exchanges, Santa Claus, deer, yule logs, holly, mistletoe, green&red, the boar's head, caroling, wassailing, the mid-December date If a Christian doesn't feel comfortable with these customs then don't practice them but I don't see how any of them are harmful or specifically condemned in the Bible. As Pagan, I don't mind if Christians borrow our customs and celebrate the birth of the son on the day of the birth of the Sun. Good vid Shaz!
DancingRabbit52 2 months ago
Okay, here's my last comment on t'subject: attention equals worship. If you can call singing a simply stupid song worship, then the acts of selecting a tree, transporting a tree, erecting a tree and decorating it with lights and baubles and gimmickry (jim-crackery?) - certainly there is more effort expended in the one than the other. Erecting an Xmas tree is more than simply singing a song, no? I then stamp and accept your patent worship of Pagan gods. Thank you!.
MsGingergingercat 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat that's nonsense logic. how much effort does it take to go grocery shopping for your family? certainly more than it does going to church. and then preparing the food, eating it, cleaning up after, etc. that takes a lot of time and attention even if you use modern conveniences. that takes more effort than prayer, surely. so since pagans fed their families and offered that food to idols and such long before Christians, is this "pagan worship" at dinner?
XSC3 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat by having a Christmas tree in one's home on Christmas, which "pagan gods" are you worshiping? "time and attention" do not equal worship. that would mean you couldn't watch tv, play sports, read a book, or do anything that might take any effort more or equal to anything you do in church worshiping God. but Christians who honor Christmas do so in honor of Christ, so it's immaterial how much time it takes.
XSC3 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat if the apostle Paul approved of Christians participating in activities that IN HIS OWN TIME were directly related to pagan worship of idols (eating meat sacrificed to them), how much more would it be silly for Christians to get upset over something that may have had a vague association with some pagan religion a long, forgotten age ago. I think it's breathtakingly simple logic that defeats this legalist paranoia, and it is legalist paranoia, I'm afraid.
XSC3 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat if it personally offends your conscience, don't do it, as others have said. but you need to realize that you're quite mistaken. the intention does matter, and nobody who celebrates Christmas today is intending to worship pagan idols in the process. even neo-pagans had to invent their own holidays to do this "around" this time of year. You might as well argue that Hannukah is "pagan" and therefore a danger to souls.
XSC3 2 months ago
"Does anybody make (pagan) associations today?" asks Shaz. Welll.... (I would answer).... yes, of course there are people who 'make those associations'.... but we're polite enough not to point them out. I mean, come on Shaz - do you expressly point out to all and sundry that the wearing of the 'white dress' of the bride is to mean she is a virgin? Are you to test her.... umm... whiteness? Your Xmas tree is Pagan, thru and thru. No doubt, no doubt. Test it. I invite you!!!
MsGingergingercat 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat the fact is that they're not making pagan associations. the point Shaz made is that if these "anti-christmas" folks applied the same logic to the rest of their lives, they'd realize how hypocritical it is. second, he makes the point that nobody cares about those pagan gods anyway, so in no way are they being honored or worshiped by carrying on customs that may or may not once have had an association with them.
XSC3 2 months ago
It is rather heartening to see a dedicated Xtian like Shaz erect a truly Pagan Xmas tree in his home. The fact that such a dedicated Xtian should mount and decorate a True Pagan Symbol in the middle of his household is really a symbol of interfaith understanding, no?
MsGingergingercat 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat it's Xian, if you're going to use it. "Xtian" doesn't make any sense since the "X" is just a stand-in for "Christ." Christtian? silly
XSC3 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat if you were right, then Shaz would be chopping down a tree in the forest, carving it into the shape of an idol, dressing it up in fine purple clothes and layering it with gold and silver, then carrying it around to be worshiped. I don't see him doing that, in fact I don't see anyone doing that on Christmas. So you're being quite unreasonable in calling a Christmas tree "pagan."
XSC3 2 months ago 4
Xmas is Pagan. 'Nuff said. No matter what Shaz says: the Xmas tree is Yggdrasil, christ was NOT born in December (read yer damn smholy book, eh?) and no Xtian can deny that the whole of the damned holiday was historically stolen, lock stock and barrel from Pagan culture(s), eh?
MsGingergingercat 2 months ago
@MsGingergingercat sorry but "Xmas" is also Christian, in fact the term was first used by Christians to refer to the celebration of his birth (many modern folks don't know this and so think they're being "edgy" or controversial and "taking the Christ out of Christmas" by saying Xmas. Christians can uphold history, to the frustration of conspiracy theorists, I'm happy to say.
XSC3 2 months ago
Many biblical scholars believe that Isaiah 60:1-7 may be be talking about the maji and the Shepherds coming to the Messiah.
pretoshohmoofc 2 months ago
Jesus himself celebrated Hanukkah (The feast of the Dedication) John 10:22. This was when the Jews re-dedicated the Temple again after the defeat of the Seleucid Empire talked about in the apocrypha. (1 Mac 4:56-59). This was a non-biblical holiday by most protestant standards.
If he didn't celebrate this holiday, why was he in the Temple ON THIS DAY?
Would those who oppose Christmas be caught at a Christmas party?
pretoshohmoofc 2 months ago 5
@pretoshohmoofc excellent point.
XSC3 2 months ago
@pretoshohmoofc "Hanukkah..." Yes! Also, purim which we see originating in the book of Esther. Note Esther 9:27,28. This celebration is neither commanded nor condemned by God in scripture, yet how much more important is the fact that God kept His promise and Jesus was born!
fairwhether1 2 months ago
@fairwhether1 Yes! The Heavens rejoiced!! merits of angels singing! The heavens lined up in the sky to pave the way for the Kings of the East. Shepherds coming to worship the One True shepherd. If this isn't God celebrating the birth of his only begotten Son through his creation, I don't know what is?
pretoshohmoofc 2 months ago
Thank you, brother!
shoeman3434 2 months ago
It is only because of the media perpetualy spouting multiculture and it is offensive to muslims/jews/hindis whatever! just look at the Whitehouse...xmas tree= evil...yet a massive jewish menora..celibrating a military victory over christians??WTF
Peace and good will on earth...that is the real meaning of Christmas.
Yet a campaign against having anything christian in our schools again wtf?
bollox679 2 months ago
@bollox679 Personally, I think the fact that there's such a war on Christmas to remove it from society is very telling.
fairwhether1 2 months ago
I was a Roman Catholic. Christmas is essentially a RCC creation. I am a Jehovah's Witness so I do not celebrate RC holidays. Mentioning the wedding ring as of pagan origins is quite wrong and I find it disturbing that someone as educated as yourself would continue to promote it as such. The OT is full of examples where the Jew's gave jewelry (including rings) as gifts to the wedding party and partners. Jeremiah is obviously talking about idols that are carved, not just cut down and worshiped.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 2 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH plenty of things the Jews did in the Old Testament was done by pagans before them... .sacrifices, altars, temples, prayers, priests, kings. you can make that argument to say we can't do anything, because some pagan did it before you, and yes, with the "blessings" of his "gods"
XSC3 2 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH correction, you don't celebrate ANY holidays. There's nothing wrong with celebrating a holiday to honor Christ. in fact, there's nothing wrong with any holiday, biblicaly speaking, if done with thanksgiving to the one true God. and no offense, but why would you reject something because one organization endorsed it, but accept it because another did? at least the RCC goes back to the early church, not some date setters. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh
XSC3 2 months ago
@INQUESTOFTHETRUTH did I go to far? I'm sorry.
XSC3 2 months ago
@XSC3 You should make a careful study of Daniel 12 before declaring "the early church" as something special. It is special only in that it was the boiling pot in which paganism and truth were brewed together to become Christendom. The true knowledge would not be made know until "the end times." And as the Magesterium would say, that knowledge is progressive as is all pursuit of truth.
INQUESTOFTHETRUTH 2 months ago
so why do you have a tree shazoolo .?? just out of intrest what was your motive for putting a tree in your house then decorating it ? and why only in dec? many thanks
bibleanswerman1000 2 months ago 2
@voyagersystem
"Correct" is like "yes I do believe they bring in demons"?
If so, as Shazaloo pointed out... are you invitiving demons into fellowship with your spirit when you mention the names of the week because of their pagan association/origin? Is that also a super-succesful scheme of Satan to demonize mankind?
What about when you mention planets?
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, To take what you are saying that to it's opposite extreme, ... well, if I cannot be 100% free of satan's world, then I may as well celebrate all the pagan festivals ... My question is; how does adorning a pagan symbol in one's home glorify Jesus Christ? The attachment to 'the tree' is an emotional one from our childhoods, alongside years of clever marketing of 'the symbol', so that it becomes a much loved tradition. Sentimentality leads to worldliness which leads to the demonic.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
Well, to classify the CHristian alternative of a pagan festival as pagan because of the original date and possibly(?) a few diddly characteristics of it is were the same is hardly gorging out in pagan festivals. But about the question of which ones... I reckon you'll need to be spirit led about that, let's say there was a pagan festival for spring and everyone helped plant each other's fields then had a feast (like a festive, dinner, not a gluttenous gorging) -cont
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, a few diddly characteristics ... they are not 'diddly' to God. Repnt.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
together afterward in goodwill. I think there would be nothing wrong with Christians celebrating that.... you gotta look at the contents.
About the CHristmas tree, if you've ever read any articles about it, people attatch all sorts of god glorifying messages into it (that's how I grew up)... the evergreen is like the everlasting life given by JEsus, the candles remind us that the light of the world has come to us in this time of year.. the star.. is the star...etc.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, Have you read The Bible? You cannot serve God and satan at the same time. The reason why? Where do I begin?! lol. Paganism is demon worship pure and simple and if you adopt their rituals you worship the enemy of God. Just because the freemasons do some charirable work, doesn't make their demon worship right. They will end up in Hell. You don't need candles when you have the light of God in your heart.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem He didn't adopt their (the pagans) rituals, he "adopted the rituals" of his parents. He was taught, as many have been, that these things are positive symbols to help illustrate and share our faith with others. Do you ever eat candy canes? Better not eat them anymore! Pretzels, either-they're not necessarily associated with a holiday, but just to be on the safe side ;)
fairwhether1 2 months ago
@fairwhether1, Get behind me, satan.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem I am praying for you, voyagersystem.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@fairwhether1, pray for yourself that your eyes are opened, having gone from jehovah witness to catholic paganism, bringing your religious demons with you. It just goes to show that even professing Christians, if they are not born again, and indwelt by The Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ, can just as easily come under the direct influence of satan.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem Even while you continue to sit in judgement, I will continue to keep you in my prayers.
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@voyagersystem “Paganism is demon worship pure and simple and if you adopt their rituals you worship the enemy of God. Just because the freemasons do some charirable work, doesn't make their demon worship right.” -No, but just because Freemasons do some charitable works, doesn't make charitable work evil, you know.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago 3
@JamesJon1187 your arguments make a lot of sense. will anyone listen?
XSC3 2 months ago
@XSC3 let's hope so.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, right, and just because satan poses as an angel of light, and just because demons can heal people through reiki, which they do ... doesn't make it evil ... because when satan is emitting light it must be good right, because light is good ..., and the healing must be good right, because the person is healed, right ... Wrong.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem
The problem with Paganism is its worship of demons and Satan..the same applies to anything associated with it.When done in worship and glory to demons & Satan they are evil,but in & of themselves they are not.
For example, Is dancing now eternally condemned by God because pagans have included it in their ceremonies. Will you then condemn David for dancing to the Lord (2 Samuel 6:14) or the Psalmist for encouraging Israel to dance to the glory of God (Psalms 149:3)?
JamesJon1187 2 months ago 3
@JamesJon1187, Christians who particpate in pagan rituals, festivals and idolatry and dedicate them to Jesus Christ are being decieved by the devil. Jesus doesn't need it.
voyagersystem 1 month ago
@voyagersystem
Is lighting a candle in a church service now demonic because the pagans have done likewise to "gods" for eons? What about God and the candle-stands in Leviticus? Or God allowing his people to build Him a temple... or using an altar for sacrifice for that matter? The pagans were the ones with the temples and altars first, you know. God allowed -actually commanded- Israel to, in a sense, copy them..but it wasn't a problem, because of the intent/purpose of it all.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago 2
@voyagersystem
Really, was God conjuring demons into his house by including the same things pagans used in their demon/idol worship (candles, altars, priests), thus--condemning himself & His people to damnation?
The heart and intent is what God judges by.
Same goes,as Shazaloo pointed out, 4 weddings and (as another pointed out) pringles. Aren't they from old Celtic knots? Unto the pure all things are pure (Titus 1:15). Be careful for condemning the guiltless (Mat 12:1-7)
JamesJon1187 2 months ago 2
@JamesJon1187. Jesus did not build 'his house' using (candles, altars, priests). God's kingdom is not of this world. Jesus was not pagan. He cast out demons. He did not worship them. He came to save humanity, not to participate in pagan rituals that were created in the mind of satan. ... Why not just erect and adorn a golden calf instead?
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem yet the Kingdom of God has come near, it is not merely in heaven, unseen. God's people are here, the Church militant on earth. So, temples, candles, altars, books, prayers, visible signs of that kingdom are here, not just in good deeds or secret embraces. did the Jews keep pagan rituals commanded by God? surely not. so neither then do the Christians. Jesus did not condemn ritual, only those accompanied by hypocrisy, like the prophets before him.
XSC3 2 months ago
@voyagersystem do you worship in a church building? the early Christians did. do you worship in a home? so did the early Christians. but you know who else worshiped in buildings and in homes? pagans. pagans had household shrines and household gods, they prayed in their homes, and outdoors. so there's no way to escape "doing something like the pagans did." the different is whom we are glorifying, the One God (Trinity), not fake idols.
XSC3 2 months ago
@voyagersystem You understand that the golden calf wasn't evil itself, but the Israellite's ridiculous worship of it was what defiled it, right?..... I mean, God had angels carved out for the ark of the covenant. Were they idols becuase they were "images"/statues -- no they were decorations. Would Moses have been right to have smashed them as idols? -Not unless the camp of Israel was worshipping them.
Neway, this probably ain't going to go anywhere so bye and MErry Christmas!
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
BTW, Wikipedia says there is no known connection between the Christmas trees and paganism. WHy are you so sure it is otherwise?
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, why rely on satanpedia? Just google 'pagan origins Christmas tree' for a start.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem yeah google that and then sort the wheat from the chaff. Ellen White isn't the most reliable source in the world, I'm afraid.
XSC3 2 months ago
@voyagersystem we've established that Jeremiah 10 can't be used to condemn Christmas trees. we've established that Christians don't worship trees (in case that was in doubt). what else have you got? please don't come back and tell us that "the cross is a pagan symbol"
XSC3 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187 ... look at The Word of God. The Contents and the knowledge that goes to make up our world views are from the ruler of this world and his legions.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
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@voyagersystem
"Sentimentality leads to worldliness which leads to the demonic."
Some is unhealthy for sure, some isn't...and enjoying the warm feeling you got as a child from looking at the beauty of the tree lit up with the CHristmas lights, shining in the dark room. To seriously condemn something as innocent as that as trailing into the demonic... I reckon JEsus would've classed someone like that with the Pharisees..."You strain out gnats and swallowing camels!"
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
to condemn mammon-worship (when it's truly the case) at Christmas is understandably just, but innocent enjoyement of beautiful Christmas trees(when they aren't the star of the season, over Jesus) is good and Godly... Remember the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as are like little children (Mat 18:3) keep the faith genuine, child-like, and simple and not overzealously micro-regulated or you might end up shutting the door to in some people's faces (Mat 23:13).
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, God's people perish for a lack of knowledge. Children are innocent. You are an adult who needs to put away childhish things. I do not condem or repremans. I love all people. I
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, The devil can twist the word of God in order to decieve. If you feel condemed it is not my myself, but by The Holy Spirit. When I was born again I died to my old life and so the practice of pagan rituals disturbs me. There is much beauty in the birth of Christ without resorting to pagan symbolism/ devil worship. God's people perish through a lack of knowledge. I care enough about people to tell the truth.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
I just read your profile and could see why you'd want to say stay far away from anything possibly pagan as possible. Sorry if I sould overbearing in a personal way. I believe if it would be going against your conscience and faith to do it, you shouldn't, but I do believe to condemn Christmas trees across the board is wrong too & I know Jesus wouldn't repremand anyone for having them in their house, should he pop visit a home for Christmas.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, Jesus is not tolerant. He is gracious and forgiving. Tolerance is from The Devil himself and is part of the new age end times deception. At no time did Jesus ever involve himself in pagan rituals. He came with a sword. He came to tell the truth.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187 Great questions...wish he or she would've answered them instead of side-stepping...
fairwhether1 2 months ago
Owning figurines is not wrong. They aren't evil. But some of the things people can do with them ARE, like worshipping them, paying more attention to them than to God (both idolatry) & more. Displaying a tree (sweater, sale, party, etc.) to celebrate the fact Christ was born on any day u want isn't bad. But other things people can do with that thing CAN be bad like worshipping it or paying more attention to it than God (idolatry) threatening kids w/burning it, pressuring a poor man to buy 1...
EmBeesWeb 2 months ago
@EmBeesWeb the thing is, WHO is worshiping figurines, WHO is "paying more attention to them than God"? "threatening kids with burning it"?? pressuring a "poor man to buy it"?
XSC3 2 months ago
I have to say I love Christmas time. It is a great way to share the history of our savior with children and adults alike. It has always been a very favorite time of year for me, for many reasons. Ultimately the Lord knows our hearts. By the way I really liked your comic relief in the beginning, made me laugh. You have a very gentle and kind way of explaining the scriptures clearly. Thank you.
TheYellowsun76 2 months ago
a lot of things are now just traditions. But I thought that early Christians put their holidays over the pagan holidays and had a slight blend to make an easier transition for pagans into Christianity? I heard that somewhere before, but i'm not sure of the accuracy.
tasteslikeginger 2 months ago
I cannot even have a painting of a mermaid on my wall without a demon turning up and commenting. I sang 'dark waltz' one day and a demon promptly emailed me with the subject line "On Hold Between The Two." Meaning himself and Jesus. I never sang that song again. These things seem harmless, but that's the devil talking, they are NOT harmless. I used to love Christmas trees and you have erected a beautiful one, but The Holy Spirit is weeping
voyagersystem 2 months ago
Decorating trees gives demons associated with the old pagan practices and idolatry the 'legal rights' to enter into your sphere of existence. Once they do, then one pagan influence will/ can lead to another, all depending of course, what that particular demon specialises in, and where they know your weaknesses to be. Close the door on pagan rituals and leave no room for the devil in your life. They only need a crack to get through. Dangerous times ahead. Don't follow the pretty lights.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
If you don't have faith for Christmas... great. DOn't celebrate it, but do you really think the Devil is so almightily powerful that Christmas trees bring in demons?
Even if you really want to keep the demonized view of Christmas, remember what Paul said about meat sacrificed to idols?... if someone don't have the faith for it, don't push it on them, but "we know and idol is nothing" and if the person has faith to eat the meat, it is not wrong.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, correct. I do not put my faith in demons or their pagan rituals. My only faith is in Jesus Christ. The devil does have a degree of power given to him by God. Afterall, he is currently the ruler of this world. But he is more cunning, than powerful, which is why, if you do not do your homework on pagan rituals and their origins, demons and spiritual warfare, you will be decieved. The devil is smarter than you are.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
If not, Merry Christmas! HOpe you have a good one.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, thanks and same to you. The birth of Jesus leaves me agape, to reflect on and to feel joy for His entire life, from birth to death to life again. But this year I will be leaving elves, satan claus, snow men, green men, yule logs, sacrifices, adorning trees and tree spirits back where they belong, .. in the mind of the evil one.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem
For sure. Taking Jesus out of it leaves the whole thing empty and meaningless. Hope you have a good one in its simplity.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, the exorcism of pagan practices from my life is not about exchanging complexity for simplicity. It is a natural process of sanctification that occurs after being born again that brings me into a closer relationship with my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I celebrate the birth, dead and rebirth of Jesus every day of my life. God Bless.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187, "or through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." 1 Corinthians 8:4-13 The 'weak' are the ones who will be led to this practise by sinning Christians. Christians are not to lead others to satan.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187 that's a good point, if pagan idols have "real power" then surely nothing would be worse than eating meat sacrificed to an idol, yet Paul permits it, and calls those who avoid that kind of stuff for fear it could hurt them "weak." (the only justification he gave for avoiding such things was to protect those fragile souls who think that stuff was actually dangerous)
XSC3 2 months ago
@XSC3, "or through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." Your comments are a misrepresentation, a twisting of God's word. Repent.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
@voyagersystem, you should be yelling at the people twisting Jeremiah, not me. Of course you should not seek to ruin your weaker brother's faith. But is it good to let your brother remain weak in faith and ignorant forever? You should enlighten him and then he won't have this stumbling block anymore, will he? It's a small minority who are scared and offended by these Christian holidays. you're asking every Christian to give up their freedom, instead of educating those few?
XSC3 2 months ago
@voyagersystem in Paul's time you had two camps in the Church, the Jews and the Gentiles. The Jews were mostly still keeping kosher and were circumcised. the Gentiles were fresh out of idolatry. I think our cultures have been out of pagan idolatry for so long, it's not the same situation that we would be threatened to fall back into it at the drop of a hat. it's a greater temptation for people to become atheists or religiously indifferent (and lukewarm), than to become idolaters.
XSC3 2 months ago
@JamesJon1187 then the question becomes, can a mature Christian do ANYTHING for fear that it might "appear" bad and scandalize some person with weak faith? the solution to that is to educate our brothers and sisters weak in faith about these things to show them that they too have freedom in Christ. but always in love. I apologize for my earlier comments coming off as uncharitable
XSC3 2 months ago
@XSC3 If you're talking about being uncharitable to me, I got no feeling of the sort from you-if you're talking about "Christmas was always Christian, not pagan..etc",if you're right about facts(& you are when you're talking about it the sense that "Christmas" is the CHristian version of the pagan holiday), you're right... don't feel like you're mean because you corrected me. Only arrogant fools can't stand that (to be correctly corrected -Pro 9:8).
ANway, Merry Christmas! Have a good one.
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
Wow, Shaz, I cannot think of a time I have disagreed with you more. You are usually right on the mark, but this time you are WAY off, brother, way off.
martiebaby 2 months ago
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voyagersystem 2 months ago
I love your videos my brother...your wisdom is God breathed and inspiring! The love and wisdom of God is with you man. Thank you for sharing what God reveals in your critical thinking. I tend to stand by your videos before I even watch them...of course i weigh them and I show no partiality nor respect of persons, but I find that the Spirit of the Lord is with you and you hear His voice. Stay sharp my brother....you are kindling a great flame in Messiah. Godly wisdom is contagious.
jamlimited3 2 months ago
Had someone tell me that Jesus would be offended because we celebrate his BIRTHDAY on day that likely isn't his birthday. Asked him if he thought Jesus would be more offended by me choosing to celebrate his BIRTH with the rest of the world or me choosing NOT to celebrate his BIRTH with the rest of the world because of some silly human conceived technicality? That conversation ended right there.
NForceDrama 2 months ago
People too often do what they want to do instead of what's right or what G-d would want them to do. Do whatever you want, everyone will answer to G-d.
SkaRocksYea 2 months ago
@SkaRocksYea or Goddess.....
numbertwocollective 2 months ago
Great Video. I totally agree
ahmalala 2 months ago
It is natural for a Christian to celebrate Christmas so I am not surprised you are for it. Read 2 King chapter 17 it was associated with mixed worship. I would totally disagree with everything you said and would like to post my video as a video response.
paulgem123 2 months ago
Likewise, it seems Shazolo thinks just because JWs don't like it it is okay to celebrate because just about everything else with JWs is wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Christians should care about truth and stick by it. And the truth is Christmas is pagan nor does it say in the Bible it is Jesus' B-day.
vizion24 2 months ago
@vizion24 Check the link that I mentioned at the end of the video where i give a fuller treatment of Christmas in general and the date 25th December.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@vizion24 Christmas is by definition, the celebration of the birth of Christ. so in that sense it is in no way "pagan." that would be a contradiction in terms. It would be like calling the New Testament: "The Christian Quran" or something. if you celebrated Christmas on January 6, or March 21st, it's still Christmas, the celebration of the birth of Christ, it's not "secretly" a pagan holiday honoring pagan idols.
XSC3 2 months ago
@XSC3 But the birth of Christ is not said to be born on Dec. 25 but believed to be in the Fall. Moreover the celebration of Christmas is simply not Biblical.
What the world defines Christmas as is unimportant. What's important is fact and truth. If one believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25 and that Christmas is biblical then he believes in a lie.
Am I saying that Christians are bad for celebrating Christmas? Of course not. I'm just saying standing on biblical truth is what's important.
vizion24 2 months ago
@vizion24 I've often wondered. What if He was conceived by the Holy Spirit on Dec 25th.? That would explain why He'd be born 9 months later on Yom Kippur in the Fall which makes a lot of sense. A fetus in the womb is a human from the very moment of conception.
DeliverTheWord1 2 months ago
@DeliverTheWord1 nah they be zygotes son THEN they become a fetus (after the tragic genocide of millions of innocents......god rest their souls for another quickie reincarnation)
numbertwocollective 2 months ago
@vizion24 The celebration of Christmas *is* Biblical. Christ's birth was celebrated in the Bible by men AND angels. Today, it isn't just a day, but a season. Beginning w/advent, we celebrate & look forward to commemorating when Christ was born on earth, as well as His 2nd coming. Christmas day commemorates His first. Epiphany, which isn't until Jan.6th, commemorates when the wise men finally arrived.
fairwhether1 2 months ago
@fairwhether1 Are you serious? The celebration of Christmas is not biblical. Where in the bible does it say to celebrate Jesus b-day? Where in the bible does it give the dates to celebrate what you mentioned? What does the mistletoe, christmas tree, an omniscent santa clause, elves etc. have to do with Jesus? The fact is it is a man-made (or devil made) day. Otherwise please show me a valid reference for your claim. TY.
vizion24 2 months ago
@vizion24 Do you "celebrate Jesus' b.day everyday, not just one day a year" Like many JW's claim they can/do? If so, why would you deny the ablitly to do so on those dates? Dates allow the body of Christ to come together and collectively offer worship for those things no matter where we are in the world. (Think of it as you would the WT & Awake magazine articles all being read on the same Sundays.) Do you deny that Christ's birth was celebrated in scripture?
fairwhether1 2 months ago
@fairwhether1 Please type "Christmas was illegal in America..Care For Some Truth?" on the search on Youtube and watch the video with the title. Allow Caryl Matrisciana teach you the truth about Christmas.
vizion24 2 months ago
@vizion24 For a balanced view, readers can also google A Christian Defense of the Christmas Celebration: A Special Time to Celebrate the Fullness of the Time (which is a sermon by Pastor Kerry Kinchen).
fairwhether1 1 month ago
@XSC3 The day that it is celebrated is. And if you look into the history and reasoning behind it and where it comes from as determined by well known HISTORIANS then you will see. Google it. Don't argue, Google it.
MrAaronch 2 months ago
@vizion24 If there is a day which you are not willing to celebrate the birth of Messiah nor capitalize on the stage that invites the mentioning of Christ, you are probably not clinging to wisdom or worst, you are fully religious and not of the Kingdom. All 7 days of the week which you call by their pagan names are still relevant days that God has created. The hamburger that you buy may be made by an athiest yet you eat it and return to the store for more. Be wise and save souls, not pride.
jamlimited3 2 months ago 2
@jamlimited3 Not celebrating a pagan day founded by the Catholic Church, perhaps the biggest religious cults in the world, makes me religious? Really?
Listen, I'm not telling anyone to not to celebrate Christmas or people who do are bad. People do what they want. But for the sake of being factual, there is no biblical basis for Christmas. There is no scripture that says He was born on Dec. 25. Evidence says He was born in the Fall. Moreover the elements of Christmas are pagan.
vizion24 2 months ago
@vizion24 No day is pagan and what pagans do on any day has nothing to do with what you are not willing to do for the Lord or for the good of the Kingdom. Show me a Catholic who uses source material to teach Jesus was born on December 25th and Ill show you somebody irrelevant to Christmas. Word of mouth often misconstrues truth right? You cant take info from one false religion(JW) whole heartedly to debunk another(Catholic). December 25 is a fine day to sabotage and remember Jesus.
jamlimited3 2 months ago