You can like both Hole and BIT. Quit acting like cunts and just listen to the music.
TBH I prefer BIT and think Kat is way hotter on every scale I care to measure. Hole had some good music and Courtney used to be hot before getting plastic surgery on her face.
Anything more than a boob job is disgusting. Even then most boob jobs are in poor taste.
from 0:45 to 1.07 they took it from the end of Joy Division´s "Day of the Lords" showing respect for the one of the best ever RIP Ian. I love BIT and this track is huge definitely my fav of them. Compare Kat to Courtney is a massive musical heresy... to say the least! Love Babes
it's stupid to compare Kat and Courtney, but I understand why people would do that. The difference between them is that Kat happens to be a REAL MUSICIAN who could give a flying fuck if she's famous or not as long as she makes awesome music, while Courtney is a money-hungry bitch who just wants to be glamourous without any effort.
it's stupid to compare Kat and Courtney, but I understand why people would do that. The difference between them is that Kat happens to be a REAL MUSICIAN who could give a flying fuck if she's famous or not as long as she makes awesome music, while Courtney is a money-hungry bitch who just wants to be glamourous without any efforts. Why do you think she married Kurt in the first place? To steal all his music and profits. :)
@andrea111292 BULLSHIT! The documentary 1991: The Year Punk Broke shows Love back stage basically sucking up to Bill Corgan (trying to ride the gravy train) and ended up leaching on to Cobain eventually thereafter. They weren't dating then or anything and that doc was Nirvana opening for Sonic Youth AFTER the one the only album dropped. Soon after the documentary Smells Like Teen Spirit broke out big and that was that. So yeah ....popularity. She's a whore.
@QuarrelingAge They met at a concert of Nirvana when they weren't famous yet...history says she fell in love with him and sent him a uhm.."Heart Shaped Box" with "Doll Parts" inside but he didn't respond. Then, both actually interested in each other, they were introduced to one another again by some friends. I have watched many docs, one of which was the last 48 Hours of Kurt Cobain and she seemed to be the best thing that happened to his life
@msnewsenior Part 3..turned the message into a negative, the music started out angry, but not at each other. I'm not asking/telling you to choose a side, because there isn't a side. You like 'em both, and I get that. I'm only reporting the "truth." I didn't say you were uneducated as a schoolgirl, I said you were ignorant about the Kat&clove mess. I don't know where you are in the world? but the moon started waxing here in Minneapolis.
You're right, Hole is on a different level. Hole is on a much lower level and that would be on the level of pure phony shit. You're also correct about not comparing the two. Courtney is a true "copy-Kat", she's Kat's distant echo. Also just to end this, you said "there's no point comparing them" and then you go on and end your rant with a "comparison." Kinda funny.
@arockj Oh will you shut up! Why the hell can't you respect that two women went out and accomplished something??!!! This is why their aren't more girl bands out there women are so catty and ppl constantly pit them against each other!! You can tear Court down all you want but the truth of the matter is thatHole has two platinum albums! Even Kat and Court have moved on and become friends again theyve written material together
@msnewsenior Yeah well, you can try to tear me down all you want, but here's the Truth "You don't know what the fuck you're talking about Lonnie." Where do you get your info? clove hasn't played with Kat since 1985, that's 25 yrs. I despise you for putting words in my mouth. "Plotting" is work of the lost. Lonnie, is "true" Art measured by sales? I rarely reveal this, but your unfortunate education pissed me off, "Kat is my girlfriend and I put great effort into the truth."
@arockj I said written! not performed! Oh you calling me Lonnie is supposed to scare me?? Guess what it's a fake name! Kat and Court have never said anything damaging about one another and as fas as my education goes, I'm entering a master's program next yr .Let's pitt that against you! If Hole sucked no one would've bought the albums! Really im supposed to believe you know Kat?? There's always some nut on youtube claiming to know someone famous!! Both bands are great! Thats all im saying !
@msnewsenior You have a phony name....that's perfect for you. They haven't wrote or performed anything together since 1985. You told me to "shut up." If I told you to "shut up," would you? I don't think it's hard for you to believe that I'm Kat's boyfriend, I think it's hard for you to believe that Kat's boyfriend would take the time for you. I hope they teach you how to investigate when you're going for your master's degree.
@arockj Your being ridiculous,it's not phony it's an alias! I haven't personallly gone after you so please, let's stick to the topic at hand. I've always been fascinated by this period of music and I wish it never quieted down I love both Courtney ans Kat and their music and I will never say anything crass about either of them. It's lame you keep having to wave your relationship with Kat around. I will learn much wit my degree and tell anyone i know about BIT. peace to you and good luck!
@msnewsenior But you did insult me, and you did put words in my mouth, and you don't have the facts straight, and you did say Lonnie is a fake name, and "yes" I did throw Kat around, so maybe you could understand that I do know what I'm talking about. I am very proud of Kat, wouldn't you be? So again, Kat is my girlfriend and I am also her Manager, and I have my doctorate in Kat Bjelland. Now you're going to try and tell me that this is "all about the music man, and that's all that matters.
@arockj Do you really have to trash Court? Even Kat doesnt do that, she doesnt seem to be into being catty at all. The only reason I even brought up my education is because you had to call me uneducated. I personally think Kat earned her music doctorate without ever stepping foot in a college class. It's too bad the music isn't all that matters, if it did we wouldnt be having this discussion.
@msnewsenior (Part 1 of 2) Here's a true story for you. The last time visiting courtney in Hollywood(about 2 yrs. ago) The first 2 days went semi-smooth, but, on the 3rd day, out of nowhere, courtney walks in the room pointing her finger at Kat and screaming repeatedly "I know you think you invented me Kat." Then courtney ran out of the room and literally hides from Kat until Kat's flight home the next day. Also during that visit, courtney told Kat she was "ugly." A woman...cont. on part 2
@msnewsenior (part 2of2) in her 40's calling another woman/friend "ugly" that's fucking shallow..and this is hurling out of someone's mouth that has had over 2 million dollars in face work done. It's my job to protect the integrity of Kat's work. The virus of courtney's lies, has caused damage-like "me+you" But, on a big picture..I believe that, that movement of girl rock bands from the early 90's had things to say, and courtney's degenerate, jealous behavior of everyone..cont. read Part 3
@arockj Just let them be seperate beings....you yourself said they were never in a band....whats your beef with Courtney...SECOND THOUGHTS DONT WANT TO KNOW...BET YOUR A NO 1 NIVARNA FAN WHO THINKS COURTNEY KILLED KURT...THE 90'S ARE OVER JUST ENJOY THE MUSIC.
@KunJieBentRoy Don't condescend me you little faggot charlatan. Seperating the two "is" what my comments are about. If you look at my channel you'll learn that I do know what the hell I'm talking about.
@arockj Whats sexuality got to do with it ?you can obviously fall out with your own shadow. Exactly the sort of person who makes enemies and not friends, the sort of person nobody needs. Talking to you has been anything but a pleasure...what bad light you shine on yourself. No wonder Kats got no new music if she's around energy like you. So quick to agression and petty insult show a lack of respect for humanity. I just dont see it myself. I smell a rat, friends my ass, get a sense of humour!
@KunJieBentRoy Hypocrite. Did you forget you tried to insult me...and now you've found a way to avoid our topic of debate and turned me into a "gay-hater." In the States, saying "faggot" is like the mafia saying "forget about it." It means lots of things. In this case I was saying you're a degenerate. Seems I hit a nerve.
@arockj WRONG FAGGOT MEANS JUST THAT FAGGOT OR A TASTY MEATY TREAT.....STAND BY YOUR INSULTS NO MATTER HOW BIGGOTED THEY MAKE YOU LOOK...."Like the mafias saying forget about it" well this is how the English say agree to disagree.....FUCK OFF LOL.....I am joking Ad's I know how seriously you take yourself.....KISSES XXX
@arockj Well ive certainly got your number :) And now this amazing track spinning around my brain....One thing we can agree on is great taste in music...I saw Kat/Babes in Toyland play in Brighton, must be a decade ago, that night was one the most legendary nights of my life and that gig is kinda the soundtrack...the sort of night you could never plan and always want to do again but you know you never will. I dont like putting out bad thoughts so if I did use this thought to erase it...sorry
@msnewsenior Part 3..turned the message into a negative, the music started out angry, but not at each other. I'm not asking/telling you to choose a side, because there isn't a side. You like 'em both, and I get that. I'm only reporting the "truth." I didn't say you were uneducated as a schoolgirl, I said you were ingnorant about the Kat&clove mess. I don't know where you are in the world? but the moon started waxing her in Minneapolis.
@arockj I never said Court was a saint, and I am sure there's many things she's donr that I dont know about. They don't call it Behind the Music for nothing
@msnewsenior 'ya know, through this whole debate with u, I've proven u wrong(that's not an opinion, it's a fact, you can read it all below), and your only way of acknowledging it was not to mention it, but instead you'd reply with something else you've invented and not relevant. I even tried to reach out and be your friend?
@arockj I appreciate you trying to become friendly with me, and thank you for sharing your true accounts with me as its interesting to see all sides of a story
I agree Hole is on a totally different level. Hole is a revolving door of Svengali producers and outside musicians and songwriters, led by a frontwoman who can't sing or play guitar.
BIT are a living breathing band, with badass musicians... Kat actually plays the fuck out of the guitar, bends it to her will. Courtney just drapes it over her shoulder while she has one leg propped on a monitor.
Hole seems to exist now to pay Linda Perry's child support payments. KAT writes her own songs!
@smithsonguitar Seriously??? I love both Hole and BIT but for completely different reasons. How well can you play guitar?? Appreciate the fact that in a world as grim as the music biz two women were able to make a name for themselves! P.S. bands that are fronted by women who are talentless dont get grammy nods!
@msnewsenior Look, Kat is an awesome guitar player that writes her own music, melodies, lyrics and riffs, EXCLUSIVELY. That's something CL can never say. She doesn't sing well, she doesn't play guitar well, and she doesn't write her own music. Courtney needs a 4 piece group to bang out the songs she couldn't even write herself. She's also addicted to drugs and plastic surgery, and has a history of violence towards those around her, including her daughter and kurt too for that matter.
@msnewsenior Courtney is comes up painfully short on talent, looks, brains and charisma when compared to Kat. Let's talk about all the songwriters that have sued Kat to get paid for the songs they wrote her... Oh Yeah!!! She writes her own songs.
Some feminist icon you have there... songs supplied by BillieKorgan and Co., INC.
@smithsonguitar Umm are you blind or did u not get my last comment?? Those are your opinions, not mine. I have nothing but great things to say about Kat, quit trying to force your beliefs on me. BTW its spelled Billy Corgan, not sure if you meant to do that but just for your knowledge
@msnewsenior I know how to spell his name. My point is, if you like Kat so much, why are you ALWAYS trolling here? Go praise CL somewhere else! And these are facts, not opinons: CL is a drug addict, a surgery addict, and a violent person. And a song thief... that's coming from the guy who wrote her songs, so what would he know??
@smithsonguitar Look! I can post where ever i want i have the right ok! It's rock and roll everybody at some point tried drugs, including BC who admitted to doing drugs wit Court. I dont know who the hell you are but I am not always on here, and you harassing me when I clearly have tried to end this disscussion on a good note is annoying! I happen to like both Hole and BIT, you dont and thats fine!
@msnewsenior Everybody has tried drugs, and many, many, MANY people have tried Courtney Love.
Just give it up and go away. If you like Kat so much, why are you here? Why lament that Kat "isn't playing" when CL's record was an EPIC flop, a total and utter failure, an abortion right out of the gate. Is that what you're saying Kat should aspire to? Getting four 21 year olds and calling it a BIT reunion?
@smithsonguitar I'm not going any damn where and some ass like you is not gonna bully me off a place thats free domain! I never said anything bad about Kat I love her, just as i love Court. And for someone spouting about feminism calling Court a skank is a hypocritical double standard, male rockers who have slept around arent even noticed! Now please lets agree to disagree!
@msnewsenior I'll agree that you're an idiot. I'm not a feminist, I'm talking about idiots like you who hold up CL as a "survivor" and a "strong woman" no matter how poorly she treats others, including her own daughter. You are an apologist for a child abuser, bar none. And yeah, it's your right to go right on defending that... go for it!
@husky801 Really im sure the fact that he had a raging drug problem, and constantly wrote about guns and death and said he wasnt gonna live to see 30 had nothing to do wit the fact he TOOK his own life! Grow up your just pissed she got to breath Kurt's airspace while you were drowning in loserdom!! IDIOT!!!!
@msnewsenior Chill out you dumb bitch, if you can take a dick you can take a joke! ...Or did you just make a hasty comment before you read far enough ahead to figure that out? I see you're just trolling on everyone though, so your opinions don't really mean shit to me anyways, just another half brain dead punk trying to make yourself feel smart while you hide behind the anonymity of cyber-space. LMAO!!
@husky801 Excuse Me? Look I dont know who you are but judging from your comment perhaps your parole officer is looking for you. I was having a discussion on this post and had ended it days ago and here you come trying to start some mess! You're and idiot and a sexist pig , you go against everything the foxcore movement strands for and don't bother responding, you've been blocked from doing so! DICKNAIL!
@msnewsenior NO..you responded 1 week ago to something he wrote months ago...all you have to do is scroll down to see that. You're only fooling yourself LoL
@msnewsenior LoL looks like you're the one trying to start the mess, he left that comment about three months ago for a friend of ours and you jump in and make assumptions & insult him. You're right about one thing and one thing only...YOU DON"T KNOW HIM! You call my husband a sexist, an idiot etc. and then have the guts(stupidity) to try and say HE started this when YOU were the one that jumped down HIS throat !! Well FUUUUUU-Q LoL dumb cunt
@DanglinSausage If you mean that Hole's best album is "Celebrity Skin" from 1998, which was their most successful album, then BC is the co-writer on some songs, on the best songs actually. On their "Live Through This" from 1994, Curt Cobain did some stuff musically, but he didn't do much writing, I think...
uuuhm... strange comparison in my eyes.. this is a expression by music form while Hole is trying to make songs. BIT hits you straight in the face. No compromises, no nonsense.
purpler6, you are wrong. Courtney Love is just a Babes In Toyland/ Kat Bjelland wannabee. Courtney Love sucks, and so does Hole. Babes In Toyland is wonderful.
@CompleatBeatles Whoa whoa whoa. I am a HUGE Courtney Love fan.....and a Huge Babes in Toyland Fan. Doesn't anyone know that Courtney and Kat were in the same band for a short while. {Sugar Babylon, and I think it was also Sugar Babydoll}
@CompleatBeatles Babes in Toyland are not wonderful! They're great but wonderful is too strong in my opinion and Hole is much better have you listened to Pretty On The Inside and Garbadge Man...?Should check it out...
Well I guess I cant make you like it, but dont say Courtney is a Kat wannabe cuz' the whole friendship of Kat and Courtney is not explicit and my beliefs are that Kat treat Courtney like trash and Courtney loves revenge like me...
Hi! Yes, I have definitely listened to Hole's material. "Celebrity Skin" is absolute garbage, in my opinion. "Live Through This" is even worse. "Pretty On The Inside" has a few decent tracks on it, but it's nothing spectacular. On the other hand, Babes In Toyland IS truly wonderful (in my opinion). Each and every BIT album is consistently strong, and contains a plethora of spectacular tracks. Kat's post-BIT project Katastrophy Wife is also fantastic. Personally, I dislike Courtney Love and Hole.
@TheDianaJC Hell yeah Hole is fucking powerful, but Babes are not Hole, and Babes kick MAJOR FUCKING ASS. Why must everyone always compare the two? Ugh I thought all Babes in Toyland fans would leave awesome comments. Apparently YOU are the goddamn Courtney and Kat wanna be, you fucking preschool dyke whore. Can't wait to hear back from you.
I can't help wondering what Sylvia Plath would have been like if she'd fronted a band instead of writing poetry - pretty bloody scary, I'd imagine. Hopefully she'd have collaborated with these
Reading 1991 was my first festival experience, too and I've been there every year ever since. There have hardly been any all-girl bands performing there at all since this lot, Hole, L7 and the riot grrrl groups. Bring back chick rock!
Yeah fucking totally! The 90's was the main era for the grrrls, all my favourite bands are grunge/riot grrrl bands from around that time, so inspirational... it needs to come back!
from there best fucking godahm album "to mother" up yours to anyone who thinks diffrently but this is some of the oldest work the baes have out-AMZING STILL-PLEASE GET BAK TOGTEEHRErrrrrr!!!!!!!GRRRRRRR
heyyyy this is a different version of the video that's on the Best of BiT DVD. there are more close-ups of kat and everything. this is better editing! what's up with that?
Not enough decent Babes in Toyland? I guess you look at it from the wrong angle: Babes in Toyland were never about decency. They were about kicking ass. And so they did!
Fuck yeah. I got the Peel Sessions for like 6 bucks. Love Kat> Long Live the B's in T Land
riotwhaatgirl3 1 week ago
this performance is so badass i actually prefer it to the cd recording
polosandpearls 3 weeks ago
I like her voice here better than on the CD, same thing with Ripe.
twopure 1 month ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Babes in Toyland
rad
deftones311100 1 month ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Babes in Toyland
Wow, thanks for this...I have fond memories of slam-dancing to this tune at the 7th Street Entry back in the day...possibly my favorite Babes song.
BoBo0807 1 month ago
Ya'll are some god damn girls.
You can like both Hole and BIT. Quit acting like cunts and just listen to the music.
TBH I prefer BIT and think Kat is way hotter on every scale I care to measure. Hole had some good music and Courtney used to be hot before getting plastic surgery on her face.
Anything more than a boob job is disgusting. Even then most boob jobs are in poor taste.
Hategrin 1 month ago
@Hategrin What does their being hot have to do with the quality of their bands?
annalizardfell 1 month ago
Best live band I've ever seen
shedontanks 2 months ago
Always loved this song.
weewees1 2 months ago
remind me of hole courtney love same
TheAneurysm14 2 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Babes in Toyland
from 0:45 to 1.07 they took it from the end of Joy Division´s "Day of the Lords" showing respect for the one of the best ever RIP Ian. I love BIT and this track is huge definitely my fav of them. Compare Kat to Courtney is a massive musical heresy... to say the least! Love Babes
ChrisDaGambler 3 months ago 2
her little voice crack at 0:39 is so beautiful idk why
polosandpearls 3 months ago
it's stupid to compare Kat and Courtney, but I understand why people would do that. The difference between them is that Kat happens to be a REAL MUSICIAN who could give a flying fuck if she's famous or not as long as she makes awesome music, while Courtney is a money-hungry bitch who just wants to be glamourous without any effort.
daimondstrike 4 months ago
it's stupid to compare Kat and Courtney, but I understand why people would do that. The difference between them is that Kat happens to be a REAL MUSICIAN who could give a flying fuck if she's famous or not as long as she makes awesome music, while Courtney is a money-hungry bitch who just wants to be glamourous without any efforts. Why do you think she married Kurt in the first place? To steal all his music and profits. :)
daimondstrike 4 months ago
@daimondstrike Oh good God the same old story again and again, when Kurt and Love started dating he was broke and he was definitely not successful
andrea111292 4 months ago
@andrea111292 BULLSHIT! The documentary 1991: The Year Punk Broke shows Love back stage basically sucking up to Bill Corgan (trying to ride the gravy train) and ended up leaching on to Cobain eventually thereafter. They weren't dating then or anything and that doc was Nirvana opening for Sonic Youth AFTER the one the only album dropped. Soon after the documentary Smells Like Teen Spirit broke out big and that was that. So yeah ....popularity. She's a whore.
QuarrelingAge 4 months ago
@QuarrelingAge They met at a concert of Nirvana when they weren't famous yet...history says she fell in love with him and sent him a uhm.."Heart Shaped Box" with "Doll Parts" inside but he didn't respond. Then, both actually interested in each other, they were introduced to one another again by some friends. I have watched many docs, one of which was the last 48 Hours of Kurt Cobain and she seemed to be the best thing that happened to his life
andrea111292 4 months ago
cool as fuck
coloneldecker 5 months ago
I don't care if i sound good or bad because of this band. I just wanna play music!
9livescatt 5 months ago
@9livescatt that is great
jaaa331 5 months ago
lori barbero is badass
littleme313 5 months ago
@SlashIsAmazin - is it kinderdoll or kinderwhore? I've always heard kinderwhore.
MissAnorexorcist 6 months ago
@MissAnorexorcist [kinderwhore it is]
littleme313 5 months ago
there should be a special on them from same local TV + interviews
DutchPunkOTR 6 months ago in playlist Unrated Mix 551 081109
If anyone compares them to HOLE needs to get punched in the face.
First of all Kat made BIT before Courtney could gather Hole together.
And Second... well Kat is just a MUCH more badass bitch :)
krak253 7 months ago
Such a fucking badass voice.
twopure 7 months ago 3
She just doesn't give a fuck. I FUCKING LOVE IT!
whatsupmstasty1 7 months ago
Nice video transfer. I'm shocked this was shot in 91.
garion333 8 months ago 3
I think this is my favorite Babes song.
ReturnToAus 9 months ago
after reading that multi page argument (few pages back) i forgot what i was gonna say....oh yeah...... i like this video. this band is awesome :)
sonicscreamingblue 9 months ago
I love that red dress <3 Kat Bjelland
SuperSpanishChicken 9 months ago
They are the best *__*
vickieickyicky 10 months ago
This gets me on a higher state of mind!
TheDianaJC 10 months ago 3
@TheDianaJC i understand, they have the same effect of my mind... absolutely great..
DamnedBanshee86 9 months ago
Great video!
puacino2 11 months ago
Babes In Toyland is a CRAZY band!!!!!!!and this song is GREAT!WE LOVE BABES IN TOYLAND!!!!!!!
TheAmoebicDysentery 1 year ago 9
Her voice sends shivers down my spine in this video, i love it.
Fagzzzzzzz 1 year ago 2
I was cameraman on Kat's side, and i remember we had an interview as well that day.
Michelle, ma belle. Never saw eyes like that before, and after!
Oh shit, in love again...
I still love this song, so much power in a 3 minute song is pretty rare!
buffelone 1 year ago
Ah...pure genius..........now THIS is feminism in the right context - women expressing themselves without giving a flying frick!!
shelleyslater 1 year ago 2
Fights, fights, everywhere I look on Youtube, for every music video.
MordaciousFilms 1 year ago
@MordaciousFilms I know. It's almost as amusing as the music. It's 90's rock though. Gets every one pissed. XD
sugarveins 1 year ago
@MordaciousFilms Yeah, because apparently you can't have an opinion without 'being wrong'
AngelVomit26 1 year ago
best line-up of the best band ever!! i will be a die hard babes fan until the day i die..Michelle, Kat and Lori!!!
onebeat80 1 year ago
Kat's music never ceases to amaze me.
BiancaWT 1 year ago
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@msnewsenior Part 3..turned the message into a negative, the music started out angry, but not at each other. I'm not asking/telling you to choose a side, because there isn't a side. You like 'em both, and I get that. I'm only reporting the "truth." I didn't say you were uneducated as a schoolgirl, I said you were ignorant about the Kat&clove mess. I don't know where you are in the world? but the moon started waxing here in Minneapolis.
Adrian
arockj 1 year ago
fucking audience should have applauded instantly
BiancaWT 1 year ago
wow i i dont mind this most chick bands suck
Gruntsplatter 1 year ago
At certain points in this video she looks just like my cousin! Crazy!
courtneylove4 1 year ago
@Courtneysfan LoL...I know it's not true, just a little dark humor thats all. ☮
husky801 1 year ago
@nkhechog123
You're right, Hole is on a different level. Hole is on a much lower level and that would be on the level of pure phony shit. You're also correct about not comparing the two. Courtney is a true "copy-Kat", she's Kat's distant echo. Also just to end this, you said "there's no point comparing them" and then you go on and end your rant with a "comparison." Kinda funny.
arockj 1 year ago 4
@arockj Oh will you shut up! Why the hell can't you respect that two women went out and accomplished something??!!! This is why their aren't more girl bands out there women are so catty and ppl constantly pit them against each other!! You can tear Court down all you want but the truth of the matter is thatHole has two platinum albums! Even Kat and Court have moved on and become friends again theyve written material together
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior Yeah well, you can try to tear me down all you want, but here's the Truth "You don't know what the fuck you're talking about Lonnie." Where do you get your info? clove hasn't played with Kat since 1985, that's 25 yrs. I despise you for putting words in my mouth. "Plotting" is work of the lost. Lonnie, is "true" Art measured by sales? I rarely reveal this, but your unfortunate education pissed me off, "Kat is my girlfriend and I put great effort into the truth."
arockj 1 year ago
@arockj I said written! not performed! Oh you calling me Lonnie is supposed to scare me?? Guess what it's a fake name! Kat and Court have never said anything damaging about one another and as fas as my education goes, I'm entering a master's program next yr .Let's pitt that against you! If Hole sucked no one would've bought the albums! Really im supposed to believe you know Kat?? There's always some nut on youtube claiming to know someone famous!! Both bands are great! Thats all im saying !
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior You have a phony name....that's perfect for you. They haven't wrote or performed anything together since 1985. You told me to "shut up." If I told you to "shut up," would you? I don't think it's hard for you to believe that I'm Kat's boyfriend, I think it's hard for you to believe that Kat's boyfriend would take the time for you. I hope they teach you how to investigate when you're going for your master's degree.
Adrian
arockj 1 year ago
@arockj Your being ridiculous,it's not phony it's an alias! I haven't personallly gone after you so please, let's stick to the topic at hand. I've always been fascinated by this period of music and I wish it never quieted down I love both Courtney ans Kat and their music and I will never say anything crass about either of them. It's lame you keep having to wave your relationship with Kat around. I will learn much wit my degree and tell anyone i know about BIT. peace to you and good luck!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior But you did insult me, and you did put words in my mouth, and you don't have the facts straight, and you did say Lonnie is a fake name, and "yes" I did throw Kat around, so maybe you could understand that I do know what I'm talking about. I am very proud of Kat, wouldn't you be? So again, Kat is my girlfriend and I am also her Manager, and I have my doctorate in Kat Bjelland. Now you're going to try and tell me that this is "all about the music man, and that's all that matters.
arockj 1 year ago
@arockj Do you really have to trash Court? Even Kat doesnt do that, she doesnt seem to be into being catty at all. The only reason I even brought up my education is because you had to call me uneducated. I personally think Kat earned her music doctorate without ever stepping foot in a college class. It's too bad the music isn't all that matters, if it did we wouldnt be having this discussion.
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior (Part 1 of 2) Here's a true story for you. The last time visiting courtney in Hollywood(about 2 yrs. ago) The first 2 days went semi-smooth, but, on the 3rd day, out of nowhere, courtney walks in the room pointing her finger at Kat and screaming repeatedly "I know you think you invented me Kat." Then courtney ran out of the room and literally hides from Kat until Kat's flight home the next day. Also during that visit, courtney told Kat she was "ugly." A woman...cont. on part 2
arockj 1 year ago 5
@msnewsenior (part 2of2) in her 40's calling another woman/friend "ugly" that's fucking shallow..and this is hurling out of someone's mouth that has had over 2 million dollars in face work done. It's my job to protect the integrity of Kat's work. The virus of courtney's lies, has caused damage-like "me+you" But, on a big picture..I believe that, that movement of girl rock bands from the early 90's had things to say, and courtney's degenerate, jealous behavior of everyone..cont. read Part 3
arockj 1 year ago 9
@arockj Just let them be seperate beings....you yourself said they were never in a band....whats your beef with Courtney...SECOND THOUGHTS DONT WANT TO KNOW...BET YOUR A NO 1 NIVARNA FAN WHO THINKS COURTNEY KILLED KURT...THE 90'S ARE OVER JUST ENJOY THE MUSIC.
KunJieBentRoy 3 months ago
@KunJieBentRoy Don't condescend me you little faggot charlatan. Seperating the two "is" what my comments are about. If you look at my channel you'll learn that I do know what the hell I'm talking about.
Adrian
arockj 3 months ago 3
@arockj Whats sexuality got to do with it ?you can obviously fall out with your own shadow. Exactly the sort of person who makes enemies and not friends, the sort of person nobody needs. Talking to you has been anything but a pleasure...what bad light you shine on yourself. No wonder Kats got no new music if she's around energy like you. So quick to agression and petty insult show a lack of respect for humanity. I just dont see it myself. I smell a rat, friends my ass, get a sense of humour!
KunJieBentRoy 3 months ago
@KunJieBentRoy Hypocrite. Did you forget you tried to insult me...and now you've found a way to avoid our topic of debate and turned me into a "gay-hater." In the States, saying "faggot" is like the mafia saying "forget about it." It means lots of things. In this case I was saying you're a degenerate. Seems I hit a nerve.
arockj 3 months ago 2
@arockj WRONG FAGGOT MEANS JUST THAT FAGGOT OR A TASTY MEATY TREAT.....STAND BY YOUR INSULTS NO MATTER HOW BIGGOTED THEY MAKE YOU LOOK...."Like the mafias saying forget about it" well this is how the English say agree to disagree.....FUCK OFF LOL.....I am joking Ad's I know how seriously you take yourself.....KISSES XXX
KunJieBentRoy 3 months ago
@KunJieBentRoy Oh! for fuck sake...call me.
arockj 3 months ago
@arockj Well ive certainly got your number :) And now this amazing track spinning around my brain....One thing we can agree on is great taste in music...I saw Kat/Babes in Toyland play in Brighton, must be a decade ago, that night was one the most legendary nights of my life and that gig is kinda the soundtrack...the sort of night you could never plan and always want to do again but you know you never will. I dont like putting out bad thoughts so if I did use this thought to erase it...sorry
KunJieBentRoy 3 months ago
@msnewsenior Part 3..turned the message into a negative, the music started out angry, but not at each other. I'm not asking/telling you to choose a side, because there isn't a side. You like 'em both, and I get that. I'm only reporting the "truth." I didn't say you were uneducated as a schoolgirl, I said you were ingnorant about the Kat&clove mess. I don't know where you are in the world? but the moon started waxing her in Minneapolis.
Adrian
arockj 1 year ago 4
@arockj I never said Court was a saint, and I am sure there's many things she's donr that I dont know about. They don't call it Behind the Music for nothing
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior 'ya know, through this whole debate with u, I've proven u wrong(that's not an opinion, it's a fact, you can read it all below), and your only way of acknowledging it was not to mention it, but instead you'd reply with something else you've invented and not relevant. I even tried to reach out and be your friend?
Adrian
arockj 1 year ago 2
@arockj I appreciate you trying to become friendly with me, and thank you for sharing your true accounts with me as its interesting to see all sides of a story
msnewsenior 1 year ago
I agree Hole is on a totally different level. Hole is a revolving door of Svengali producers and outside musicians and songwriters, led by a frontwoman who can't sing or play guitar.
BIT are a living breathing band, with badass musicians... Kat actually plays the fuck out of the guitar, bends it to her will. Courtney just drapes it over her shoulder while she has one leg propped on a monitor.
Hole seems to exist now to pay Linda Perry's child support payments. KAT writes her own songs!
smithsonguitar 1 year ago 4
@smithsonguitar Seriously??? I love both Hole and BIT but for completely different reasons. How well can you play guitar?? Appreciate the fact that in a world as grim as the music biz two women were able to make a name for themselves! P.S. bands that are fronted by women who are talentless dont get grammy nods!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior Look, Kat is an awesome guitar player that writes her own music, melodies, lyrics and riffs, EXCLUSIVELY. That's something CL can never say. She doesn't sing well, she doesn't play guitar well, and she doesn't write her own music. Courtney needs a 4 piece group to bang out the songs she couldn't even write herself. She's also addicted to drugs and plastic surgery, and has a history of violence towards those around her, including her daughter and kurt too for that matter.
smithsonguitar 1 year ago 2
@smithsonguitar No you look, everyone is entittled to their own opinon and i have mine and you have yours OK!!!!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior Courtney is comes up painfully short on talent, looks, brains and charisma when compared to Kat. Let's talk about all the songwriters that have sued Kat to get paid for the songs they wrote her... Oh Yeah!!! She writes her own songs.
Some feminist icon you have there... songs supplied by BillieKorgan and Co., INC.
smithsonguitar 1 year ago
@smithsonguitar Umm are you blind or did u not get my last comment?? Those are your opinions, not mine. I have nothing but great things to say about Kat, quit trying to force your beliefs on me. BTW its spelled Billy Corgan, not sure if you meant to do that but just for your knowledge
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior I know how to spell his name. My point is, if you like Kat so much, why are you ALWAYS trolling here? Go praise CL somewhere else! And these are facts, not opinons: CL is a drug addict, a surgery addict, and a violent person. And a song thief... that's coming from the guy who wrote her songs, so what would he know??
smithsonguitar 1 year ago
@smithsonguitar Look! I can post where ever i want i have the right ok! It's rock and roll everybody at some point tried drugs, including BC who admitted to doing drugs wit Court. I dont know who the hell you are but I am not always on here, and you harassing me when I clearly have tried to end this disscussion on a good note is annoying! I happen to like both Hole and BIT, you dont and thats fine!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior Everybody has tried drugs, and many, many, MANY people have tried Courtney Love.
Just give it up and go away. If you like Kat so much, why are you here? Why lament that Kat "isn't playing" when CL's record was an EPIC flop, a total and utter failure, an abortion right out of the gate. Is that what you're saying Kat should aspire to? Getting four 21 year olds and calling it a BIT reunion?
smithsonguitar 1 year ago
@smithsonguitar I'm not going any damn where and some ass like you is not gonna bully me off a place thats free domain! I never said anything bad about Kat I love her, just as i love Court. And for someone spouting about feminism calling Court a skank is a hypocritical double standard, male rockers who have slept around arent even noticed! Now please lets agree to disagree!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior I'll agree that you're an idiot. I'm not a feminist, I'm talking about idiots like you who hold up CL as a "survivor" and a "strong woman" no matter how poorly she treats others, including her own daughter. You are an apologist for a child abuser, bar none. And yeah, it's your right to go right on defending that... go for it!
smithsonguitar 1 year ago
I love this...sucks that she drove Kurt to suicide 'n all, but...oh fuckin' well...LoL
husky801 1 year ago
@husky801 Really im sure the fact that he had a raging drug problem, and constantly wrote about guns and death and said he wasnt gonna live to see 30 had nothing to do wit the fact he TOOK his own life! Grow up your just pissed she got to breath Kurt's airspace while you were drowning in loserdom!! IDIOT!!!!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior Chill out you dumb bitch, if you can take a dick you can take a joke! ...Or did you just make a hasty comment before you read far enough ahead to figure that out? I see you're just trolling on everyone though, so your opinions don't really mean shit to me anyways, just another half brain dead punk trying to make yourself feel smart while you hide behind the anonymity of cyber-space. LMAO!!
husky801 1 year ago
@husky801 Excuse Me? Look I dont know who you are but judging from your comment perhaps your parole officer is looking for you. I was having a discussion on this post and had ended it days ago and here you come trying to start some mess! You're and idiot and a sexist pig , you go against everything the foxcore movement strands for and don't bother responding, you've been blocked from doing so! DICKNAIL!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
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TheWilAnne1 1 year ago
@TheWilAnne1 He responded to something I wrote months ago, and he sent you his bitch to clean it up, leave me alone and p.s. youre blocked too!
msnewsenior 1 year ago
@msnewsenior NO..you responded 1 week ago to something he wrote months ago...all you have to do is scroll down to see that. You're only fooling yourself LoL
TheWilAnne1 1 year ago
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@msnewsenior LoL looks like you're the one trying to start the mess, he left that comment about three months ago for a friend of ours and you jump in and make assumptions & insult him. You're right about one thing and one thing only...YOU DON"T KNOW HIM! You call my husband a sexist, an idiot etc. and then have the guts(stupidity) to try and say HE started this when YOU were the one that jumped down HIS throat !! Well FUUUUUU-Q LoL dumb cunt
TheWilAnne1 1 year ago
Need chicks that play guitar more these days... Babes is better than most shit out today
TheLeathershadow 1 year ago 4
life changing
tigerpantss 1 year ago 3
Babes in Toyland is a band,HOLE was a joke.Hole had 1 good album
DanglinSausage 1 year ago
@DanglinSausage And that one good album was mostly written by Billy Corgan.
stakleni00 1 year ago
@stakleni00 Really???I thought it was Kurt cobain helping her but thanx for the input,much appreciated
DanglinSausage 1 year ago
@DanglinSausage If you mean that Hole's best album is "Celebrity Skin" from 1998, which was their most successful album, then BC is the co-writer on some songs, on the best songs actually. On their "Live Through This" from 1994, Curt Cobain did some stuff musically, but he didn't do much writing, I think...
stakleni00 1 year ago
@stakleni00 I guess I dont remember the name of the album.........Good to know
DanglinSausage 1 year ago
girl power.
THEMAGICALJELLYBEAN 1 year ago
THEGIRLS KICK ASS
darthmiike 1 year ago
I love her fucking voice...not to mention she is beautiful. Too bad they're not together anymore. :-{
AngelVomit26 1 year ago
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fuck good fuck love kat
wallacesantos100 2 years ago
kat looks kinda like a supremely pissed off reese witherspoon....
punkbabydoll77 2 years ago
Michelle is a better bass player than Maureen, by far.
CompleatBeatles 2 years ago 4
i couldn't agree more!!
onebeat80 2 years ago
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case of follow in your footsteps to continue this style cas
williamkill1 2 years ago
I know the sugar plum fairy
Her name is mary
She's halfway inside my arm
Half way does great harm
it is poetry
fsolfo 2 years ago 42
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and courtney's got better lyrics and is a better singer which is saying alot
purpler6 2 years ago
uuuhm... strange comparison in my eyes.. this is a expression by music form while Hole is trying to make songs. BIT hits you straight in the face. No compromises, no nonsense.
mormel76 2 years ago 10
purpler6, you are wrong. Courtney Love is just a Babes In Toyland/ Kat Bjelland wannabee. Courtney Love sucks, and so does Hole. Babes In Toyland is wonderful.
Isaiah
CompleatBeatles 2 years ago 4
@CompleatBeatles Whoa whoa whoa. I am a HUGE Courtney Love fan.....and a Huge Babes in Toyland Fan. Doesn't anyone know that Courtney and Kat were in the same band for a short while. {Sugar Babylon, and I think it was also Sugar Babydoll}
AngelVomit26 1 year ago
@CompleatBeatles Babes in Toyland are not wonderful! They're great but wonderful is too strong in my opinion and Hole is much better have you listened to Pretty On The Inside and Garbadge Man...?Should check it out...
Well I guess I cant make you like it, but dont say Courtney is a Kat wannabe cuz' the whole friendship of Kat and Courtney is not explicit and my beliefs are that Kat treat Courtney like trash and Courtney loves revenge like me...
Bye, stay fine =)
TheDianaJC 1 year ago
Hi! Yes, I have definitely listened to Hole's material. "Celebrity Skin" is absolute garbage, in my opinion. "Live Through This" is even worse. "Pretty On The Inside" has a few decent tracks on it, but it's nothing spectacular. On the other hand, Babes In Toyland IS truly wonderful (in my opinion). Each and every BIT album is consistently strong, and contains a plethora of spectacular tracks. Kat's post-BIT project Katastrophy Wife is also fantastic. Personally, I dislike Courtney Love and Hole.
CompleatBeatles 1 year ago
@CompleatBeatles Ok, well thank you for answering , bye :)
TheDianaJC 1 year ago
@TheDianaJC Hell yeah Hole is fucking powerful, but Babes are not Hole, and Babes kick MAJOR FUCKING ASS. Why must everyone always compare the two? Ugh I thought all Babes in Toyland fans would leave awesome comments. Apparently YOU are the goddamn Courtney and Kat wanna be, you fucking preschool dyke whore. Can't wait to hear back from you.
BitternessBarbie94 1 year ago
@BitternessBarbie94 Well Ok, Here is my answer...
TheDianaJC 1 year ago
Bjelland is even better on Vomit heart
MrGerryodonothing 2 years ago
I can't help wondering what Sylvia Plath would have been like if she'd fronted a band instead of writing poetry - pretty bloody scary, I'd imagine. Hopefully she'd have collaborated with these
Kohsomusto 2 years ago 5
Reading 1991 was my first festival experience, too and I've been there every year ever since. There have hardly been any all-girl bands performing there at all since this lot, Hole, L7 and the riot grrrl groups. Bring back chick rock!
SophieCalifornia 2 years ago 9
Yeah fucking totally! The 90's was the main era for the grrrls, all my favourite bands are grunge/riot grrrl bands from around that time, so inspirational... it needs to come back!
xXxRav3rRawrBabyxXx 2 years ago 6
lol why do I keep listening? I think I'm involuntarily becoming a fan.
cait72590 2 years ago 7
my first ever "real" festival experience, Reading 91, I'll never be the same.......
cristhornton 2 years ago 4
from there best fucking godahm album "to mother" up yours to anyone who thinks diffrently but this is some of the oldest work the baes have out-AMZING STILL-PLEASE GET BAK TOGTEEHRErrrrrr!!!!!!!GRRRRRRR
riothate 2 years ago 5
My 1 1\2 year old daughter is sitting next to me dancing...
AngelVomit26 2 years ago 6
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disgraceful parrent your not fit to raise kids
barakHobama 2 years ago
Barakhobama...I'm a disgraceful parent (who's kids obviously will spell better than you) because my child is dancing? What is wrong with you?
AngelVomit26 2 years ago 6
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hes right you are - people like you should be sterilised.
meatymouldia 2 years ago
haha awesome
musicsavedmivida 2 years ago 2
seditious.one of the best songs ever.
don25710 2 years ago 3
god i love this band!
they are true examples that girls can rock as hard, or even harder than men.
arlykamikaze 2 years ago 4
kat,,
the one and only
katinlove 2 years ago 15
the best;)
brak0weny 2 years ago 5
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magalialarid 2 years ago
kat bjelland is quite possibly the baddest bitch on the planet. ya gotta wonder where courtney got her inspiration, huh?
robotaholic 2 years ago 11
I think they inspired each other in Pagan Babies in 1985
CannibalFleshFest 2 years ago
speciali
giulio004 2 years ago
when the raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain cooooooooooooooomes
i like how it sounded a little rusty
she's amazing
EMILYITOLDYOU 2 years ago 5
omg kat is the best<3
SarahHall87 2 years ago 5
heyyyy this is a different version of the video that's on the Best of BiT DVD. there are more close-ups of kat and everything. this is better editing! what's up with that?
punktravesty 3 years ago
i have the best of dvd too and this is better editing! and better sound!
onebeat80 3 years ago
ugh i am so jealous! i didn't know there were 2 versions of the best of dvd! what country is this? is it an ultra-special rare import?
punktravesty 3 years ago
both these are amazing.
alainek 3 years ago 2
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does it hurt while singing???? :)
like some tunes by Babes in Toyland :) they´re not babes any longer :(
lovanalad 3 years ago
That has to be the weakest comment I've ever read.
arockj 3 years ago 20
Hey, ik denk trouwens dat L7 ook wel goed is voor een hit of 1000. En what about the good old commercial Peppers?
buffelone 3 years ago
Hja, L7 is ook best briljant,
maar agh, Kat kan echt geniaal overweg met de lyrics, dat mis ik soms wel bij L7..
PonyGalore 3 years ago
ah love these vids, got anymore from this show? Or at least of this incredible quality?
Not enough decent Babes in Toyland on here!
ruddegore 3 years ago 5
Not enough decent Babes in Toyland? I guess you look at it from the wrong angle: Babes in Toyland were never about decency. They were about kicking ass. And so they did!
TeehpodT 2 years ago 6
KICK ASS!!!
arockj 3 years ago 6