WWII: The Unnecessary War (2 of 4) Pat Buchanan

[Hitlerislove88]

again no mention of jewish banking influence in Britain and America going to war with germany and germany's los of WWI. Pat Buchanan sounds like another cowering conservative who wants to name the jew without naming the jew and cover his own ass. The west and white civilisation only suffers with such cowardice

[ArnoldTohtFan]

@Hitlerislove88

WELL SAID!

[littlteapot]

How was Hitler, who had already broken the Munich agreement about Czechoslovakia "going out of his way to appease the British"?

[IloveUSA1941]

Buchanan made good points of Hitler and why germany got into war...but some of his opinions are old shity school..for example in his book he said "there could have been no 6 million jews died in the holocaust.."WTF? now everybody knows that so called '6 million' jewish fairy tales of holocaust is totally false.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

They are the biggest haters of Poles and Poland that the world has ever seen,surpassing Germans and Russians combined by ten times.Before the partitions 80% of world Jewry lived in Poland and they called it Paradisum Judeorum.They were our guests from the XIIth century till 1945 (in great numbers).Jews were all against Polish independence and when they saw that that was inevitable,they wanted it to be as small as possible.They controlled Lloyd George.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well here's what I don't understand. They were guests. Did they consider themselves polish as well or atleast subjects of the King of Poland?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

You mean the Jews or other minorities?Jews certainly didn't consider themselves neither Polish nor friends of ours nor even neutral beings.Can you guess who they perceived themselves to be to us?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Everything that we lost we lost because of the Jews.I'm not kidding.Roman Dmowski,our chief negotiator writes that He had a dinner with Ameriuca's top Jews and they wanted Poles to stop boycotting Jewish trade (that's what they feared very much).Dmowski said:'OK.I'll call Poles to stop boycotting Jewish trade but first you tell Jews to be loyal Polish citizens.'The answer that He received was:that is impossible,Mr Dmowski.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well can you give me the source of your information, so I can read for myself?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

Wait a minute.I don't thinke it is in English but I'll have ago.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Keep in touch. Later this week, I'll be able to find some good in-depth books on the history of Poland.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Just be sure to throw off any books written by communists and Jews not only in the years 1944-89 but to this day they write multiple books.The best way is to fing either a book written by a Polish (in blood and soul) writer or a foreigner who likes Poland or it least is neutral because there are scores of well knowan authors who either are paid by the Jewish ADL,hostile governments or do it because they hate Poland and do it for free.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well if you can recommend some authors, that would be great!

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Jews massively collaborated with the invading bolshevik Russians in the Polish-Russian war of 1919-21.On August 1920,when the reds where just at the gates of Warsaw,Jews started to erase Polish language from use in Poland,especially north-east of Warsaw called Podlahia,replacing it with Jidysz and Russian.All the commies that formed then at captured territories were Polish Jews,either with their real surnames or already changed to Polish.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

They rebelled everywhere,especially in big cities where they always liked to live (Vinus,Lwów,Pińsk),snitched on us.In their Jewish media all Jewry acted vehemently against Polish independence.Afterwards they shouted:nothing for Poland!It must be as small as possible.Without a connection to the sea,without Gdańsk,oil fields near Lwów and Borysław etc., M A S S T R E A S O N!And theyhad the nerve to live in Poland after that!

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Ha!Now you'll see why Poland is the most lied about country in the world.Belarus is the contemporary name derived from White Ruthenia (area only around Mińsk),not White Russia.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

There is also Red Ruthenia (area around our lost city of lwów near the border,south of White Ruthania) and Black Ruthenia ('Black' because it was pagan for very long,it lies between White Ruthenia and the Polish Podlahia,at the border).Grab yourself a good map,but not German,Jewish nor Russian becausee they fit what

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

That's shallow doctrineering which led to such unsafe borders that we had after versailles.Surrounded from the west,south-west,north-west ,north-east (East Prussia).

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Look I finished reading what you've been saying, but you seem to be everywhere. It seems to me that you're more interested in say, territory, than people who actually want to be part of it.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

If some people don't want to live in a certain country then they should move to another one.Why should some one create his country inside my historical lands?Belarus and Ukraine never existeted before 1991.As foe me,I am interested in the well being of my nation.Of course we're just theoricising because it's no use crying over spilt milk but I'm trying to convince you just for changing your view on nations,history and politics.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well that's fine. I love a good discussion/debate. However the term Belarus is related to ''White Russia'' a term which goes back to the 16th century., does it not?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra their governments want to be presented.(They have conflicys of interests,especially Russia,which occupied them from us).People often confuse Russia with Ruthenia,not without always PanSlavist Russia' help.Ruthenia is the area east of Poland,Romania,Moldova,Finland and the Baltic states all the way to the Urals without the Caucasus and Crimea.Russia uses the name White Russia because it sees itself as the legal ruler of all Ruthenia.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

In the XIth century all of contemporary Belarus belonged to Poland,in the XVIIth and most of the XVIIIth centuries too so Russia could name the Netherlands too but I don't see how the Netjerlands would be White Russia.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Really,don't behave like a comivoyager but a statesman.After the Great War every one agreed that there must be something done to make it the last one,right?So deciding for the whole of Europe in such a short time required the brightest brains of the time that encompassed ALL factors:history,geography,indu­stry,farming,demographics,tran­sportation lines,safety of all countries

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra (safe borders-not the cretinous East Prussian enclave which tempted the Germans to connect their territory by cutting us away from the sea) which would form justice.I almost thought that you were getting to think like a statesman but no...I just finished reading a book called 'Polish politics and the rebuilding of the state' by Roman Dmowski,greatest Polish Nationalist,patriot and thinker.In it 130 additional pages

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra of appendixes from before and during the negotiations in Versailles.Fascinating to see what was their wisdom.For them mattered ONLY majorities of population.They were hard-headed and didn't know anything about this part of Europe.Wilson and the Frenchman Clemencau agreed (and Italy too;Japan was neutral)that Gdańsk,Masuria and all of Upper Silesia must be ours but then the jewish agent Lloyd George of Britain came and screwed everything with his lies which

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra he had received from the jews which they had received from the Germans.As for the eastern border there was no better:every itty bitty inch of land that we claimed had unbelievable resistance from the Allies.And yes:voting on changing borders is sick.It's childish,statesmen don't do that.That way of voting on borders was constructed only once:at the Versailles Conference.Because we would lose the most.We didn't polonise our minorities by force;they polonise themselves.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Had we been doing that,we would not have that problem.Being good doesn't pay off.I know why I am a Nationalist.I'm telling you:you are saying what people hostile to us were saying because they didn't want a big,strong,independent Poland.You're using the language of our enemies:jews and Germans.Again:if you want to make your mind on such a difficult topic then talk to me in ten years of studying Polish history because otherwise you'll still be walking between minefields

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra which our enemies placed.Poland is the country most lied about in the whole wide world.There exists a Black Legend of Poland.How do you expect Poles do give up thousands of square kilometres of eastern lands which had been part of Poland for hundreds of years?And what about our heritage there?Our cultural,spiritual,material influence?The places where our families were born and lived for centuries?Just because some shallow doctrineers,some worthless comivoyagers say

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra to Poland:leave now and forget that you were ever there????!Countries have different national territories:1.small nations have,as their national territories,only those lands where they are in the majority and 2.large nations have national territories comprised of a.territories with their own majority and b.territories of their predominating civilisational influence.Poland,because of its advanced Latin civilisation,belongs to the second group of large nations

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra and cannot be treated the same as small nations,say Holland or Norway.Everything that you probably heard of the weakness of Polish culture is pure rubbish made by jews,Germans Russians,masons and other powerfull enemies of ours.It was poland that Christianised Lithuania without force,the citizens of the Monastic State of the Teutonic Knights begged us to annex the Teutonic Knights' State and rid them of their German oppressors (1454-Thirteen Years' War),

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Look, I have not heard anything about any percieved weakness of the Polish culture. I do not know where you go on with that. And also you make one more mistake. You think 'nation' and 'state' are the same things, and they are not.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

i'm a Nationalist so you don't have to tell me that nation and state/country are not the same.Nation=people and state=country=political organisation created by a nation to fullfil its national (of the people) interests.I know of the double meaning of the word nation in English.But if you read what I wrote and haven't given any thoughts about it,then may I ask now what you think and/or what have you understood of it,what needs further explanation?

[suryavajra]

Well I want to start off with one thing. Why do you talk about the Jews?? I don't understand why you have come to believe that Lloyd George was a ''Jewish Agent''?? Why don't we start there?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Because Roman Dmowski who wrote that book 'Polish politics and the rebuilding of the state' wrote about it there and He was Poland's chief negotiator at Versailles.His National Polish Committee was the only Allied recognised group of Poles representing Poland abroad.First,Balfour was Britain's Prime Minister and he was very favourable towards us but at the end of the war there came that ignorant,bad-willed,jew-owned David lloyd George,a pole-eater,just as the Jews themselves.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

I don't understand you. What do the Jews have to do with all of this?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

To look us in the eyes!And constantly shout antisemitism.We didn't like them because we don't like TREASONISTS,ESPECIALLY INSOLENT ONES!Shameless.In 1918,after a visit in the cinema on a communist movie,the Jews shouted on the streets of Kielce:down with Poland!Down with Poland!Long live Lenin!They got beaten because they deserved it.Just when we're regaining our independence they shout 'down with Poland!'Can you believe it?At least they were taught a great lesson.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Look at yourselves all you defenders of always poor,little,defenceless Germany that never had any plans to conquer Europe:always blabbing about how Germany was punished in Versailles,even if it was the other way round and repeating yourselves of the 'injustice' that was done to it,how this and that should have 'returne' to Germany ('return'?return of the provinces that the German thief stole to that German thief is justice to you?)

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

and at the same time I am trying to make my point about how Poland (the real victim of its neighbours and of unfauvourable conditions of the Versailles,that had legitimate,legal,moral,just,hi­storical tights for what it had been taken away from her) should have been returned all its stolen lands and I encounter a wall of ill will mixed with ignorance.Hipocrisy.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

I certainly bear you no ill will. I am thoroughly enjoying our debate and wish only the best for your country.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

The Xth century was mentioned by me only to show that Gemans were just guests of Poland,of our ancient Polish provinces,where our nation lived long before Germans were invited by our rulers and not the other way roung.Before the war,borders before 1772 would do with a big shift on behalf of Poland for compensation for such a long time of occupation,destroying our country,

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

you sill haven't answered one of my original questions. do you want Belarus??

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Now or do you mean 1918?Now they should return what they grabbed in 1939 and so must Ukraine and lithuania.But if you mean the years 1918-1921,then our demands were much bigger.Compare Poland before 1772 (730 000 km2) with what we received back after the Great War (388 000 km2).Why is it only we who are supposed to lose territory to others,hm?Is it because we had suffered for such a long time and others dhad not so was better that we would have suffered longer?

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

No, not at all. i'd much rather see you all prosperous and strong and to have provided a common front against communism. It means give and take.

But you know, Russia also took part in this partitioning. Yet you say nothing about them??

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Those who defend Germany (like that witch doctor buchannan and the other guy who is using our tragedy to fight his enemies(jews) using our tragedy for his purposes (defending Germany=fighting us),NEVER MENTION THE PARTITIOONS AS IF GERMANY GOT GDAŃSK ETC. CLEANLY,AS IF THEY HAD HAD ANY LEGAL RIGHTS TO IT AND PRETEND THAT THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE XVIII TH CENTURY .

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Buchanan is a committed anti-communist. And we probably should of listened to him and disbanded NATO once the Cold War was over...

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

He's anticommunist but he's not objective because he selectively takes facts that suit him and rejects those that don't and makes a story out of only a part of truth.A half truth is also a lie.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

He is what I call a Continentalist (Europe).He would like to see two major powers dominating Europe:Russia and Germany,maybe with France but nothing in the middle.Those two countries have a history of trouble-making and if you want peace and prosperity in Europe,the last thing that you should do is support them.In order to create a lasting peace in Europe there need to be a bloc of strong,allied,Central-European countries against both Russia and Germany.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

''A bloc of stong, allied Central European countries'' Now that would of been an interesting possibility.

Though let me ask you. What is your opinion of Poland in the EU?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

I want out.The Eu is satan's work.It gives only money to addict member countries to it and therefore controlls them but look what it takes:almost everything.It's like Bolshevik Russia:on September 17th 1939,when the reds put a knife into our shoulders,after news reaching to the still unoccupied parts of the country,people started to think which is worse:the Germans will,they thought,take our freedoms,but the Soviets will take our soul.Just like the EU is doing.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

I bought his book abou the American right that destroyed America but it lies on the shelf because when I accidentally encountared this film of the 'unnecessary war',I started to hate him.I have 5 other books to read so maybe I'll give it to the library or something.Down with him.There are a lot of splendid anticommunists;he's not the only one.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

germanisation,suppressing our economic development,taxes from Poles taken to Berlin to use against us,to create a safe border for reborn poland after 1918,meaning especially annexing that scary enclave of east prussia and for justice.Germans ought to have been forced to RETURN ALL OF THE PRUSSIAN PARTITION

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra OF POLAND AND GIVE BIG AREAS OF OTHER LANDS AS COMPENSATION (all of east Prussia,all of Upper Silesia),POLISH SAFETY AND JUSTICE.Surely you are for the return of stolen property to its rightfull owner,aren't you?Well...the Germans stole Eastern pomerania with Gdańsk,Warmia,Great poland and Kuyavia (between Great Poland and eastern pomerania).And before you give me that stupid bit about the majority of this and that,think:Gdańskers didn't want to be in prussia/Germany

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well we never knew because they didn't have plebescite in 1919! lol!

Look land and terrtories have been stolen throughout time. Poles are not unique in this regard. the question in 1919 should of been, how to draw a polish state in such a way that it reflects the will of the majority who would live in the said state? Look buddy, I prefer to live in the world as it is, not as to how I wish it to be according to something that happened 300-500 years ago.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Polish case was unique so you can't apply the same rules for a unique case and all the rest.What you are proposing is a thunderous blow against Poland which had for so long suffered under the tyrannies of Germany,Russia and Austria.Why make another one?A shrinkage from 730000 to 388oookm2 is justice to you?We had not suppressed the cultures and national identities of nations living in our country so they persisted there.Would you want forced polonisation?The German-Russian way?

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

You mean proposing that people actually choose would constitute a ''blow''?? Really??

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

,crushed the Teutonic plague,the Knights of livonia gladly accepted Polish rule because otherwise they would've been ruled by Swedes or Ivan the Terrible who we crushed,Ruthenians and all other minorities quickly polonised themselves,in the XVIIth century Polish was the language spoken at the Russian Tzar's court...That's why Poland was (now it isn't because jews have ruined it since 1939) a big nation,not small and thus,ought to have been treated as a big nation.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra when they were being taken from the rest of poland in 1793 but the Germans had 150 years of time to intoxicate them with their original love and loyalty to Poland with hate and German cheauvinism.But still,it was rightfully ours,just like a stolen car that was repainted by the one that had stolen that car,when found,ist still the property of its rightfull owner and just because the thief thought that he was so clever to repaint it as his doesn't change anything.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Gdańsk was before the partitions our window to Europe.Versailles was very favourable to germany because not only that they didn't give any lands of their own as compensation but they didn't even return all what they had occupied.Masuria and all of Upper Silesia were inhabitted by Poles an it was injustice that we didn't get them.Double standards because of the jews who fought for the german cause.

[WiredDragoon]

Man, you're really delusional if you think modern German sources have any inclination to make things German that aren't. But go ahead, by all means. It wouldn't be a topic about WW2 if there wasn't a Pole in it screeching from the top of his lungs and making an ass of himself.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@WiredDragoon

Whenever I see statements like today I must act because there are just too many powerfull enemies of Poles working against us.If their lies and slanders are not met with a strong counteraction,they will prevail.Or even,they already prevail so now is the time to give the real history lessons to Western cretins.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Excuse me, Poland has no enemies today. they are part and parcel of the EU. The same EU which counts Germany as it's founding member. Congratulations! lol!

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

The Germans also had their representation in Polish and Czechoslovakian parliaments.But they wanted more,just like Hitler instructed them:ask for a little something at first for the local Germans and when you receive it by the host nation of that country,ask for autonomy;if at first you don't get it,start sabotaging the state,making provocations and asking the German military for help in blackmailing that stae.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Excuse me dude, then how come the Czech army opened fire in the early 1920s on unarmed German protesters?? This was well before Hitler's time.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Because the Germans wanted to carve out large parts of czechoslovakia.That's treason.If one doesn't like the country that one lives in,let one leave it and head for his own (in this context Germany).

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

When the local Germans receive even that (Munich 1938:Hitler demanded that the Czechoslovakian President Benesz come to Berlin for last minute talks and agree top all of the German demands;if not,Prague and other Czech cities will be nothing but rubble.)

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Oh and by the very same logic, do you want Lithuania and Belarus, back??

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Of course after they occupied ancient czech provinces,on March 15th they took all of Bohemia and Moravia and created a Slovakian puppet state. The Germans were (and many still are) intoxicated by their thousand year old history:by the evil Ottos,Barbarossa,the genocidal Teutonic Knights (they killed all Prussians),sadistic,cheauvinis­tic Frederics of the XVII-XVIIIth centuries,Bismarck,Stresseman of the Weimar Republic,Hitler...

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

There was no alliance between Poland and Germany.The Germans had no historical nor legal rights to any part of Czechoslovakia even if the Sudetes region was mainly populated by Germans.But that have always been core Czech provinces;just like in Poland's case which I just proved,Bohemia and Moravia looked exactly like then in its begginings in the Xth century.I'm sick and tired of hearing Germans:but the majority German population,but the majority German population.'.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

The 10th century?? Do you realize that none of the countries in the world today, I mean NONE are based on borders going back to the 10th century?? Really dude.....you're wigging out.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

So what,I say?It means that you,Germans,were only guests in hospitable countries such as Poland and Czechoslovakia.What would you say if the Germans of Wisconsin,Iowa and/or Minnesota wanted to join the German state (country)?Oh!I can already see how Americans would accept it!And that majority of population made on kneels bit.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Read carefuly. I'm NOT German.

Yeah put it up for a vote. They'd laugh you out of town becuase they have their freedom and dignity in the US.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

So maybe the Americans should somehow return to life American Indians and start one big plebiscite:do they want America to be Indian (like it was before whites came) or do they want to stay in white European America?What time should be the basis?Before the partitions of course!

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well the fact of the matter is that all of these states that were part of the Spanish Empires, French Empires, and part of Native American tribal lands have their representation in the US government. So that's a flawed analogy.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

They fought that the world had to do whatever they say because...well...just because.They had developed a superstrong superiority philosophy for their conquests,much,much,much before Hitler.Hitler only multiplied their cheauvinism,expansionistic and brutal attitude towards other nations.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

That was the biggest crime of the XVIIIth century!And Prussian Germans were the instigators of all that;they were the ones that were doing the worse destruction of Polish material status,culture,hec!they even wanted to change us into Germans by suppressing our national conscioussness!;they had their Culture War (KulturKampf) and germanisation against us;they wanted to change our ancient provinces into artifficial German ones;they created the Colonisational Commission

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra and Hakata for the direct purpose of destroing by fire and terror any sign of their real natureLPolishness and that included not only Gdańsk but all occupied lands plus Silesia where we still were in the majority even if since Prussia conquered Silesia,the Prussian Germans carried out a brutal campaign of suppressing Polishness (we were the majority,even in Wrocław!! in the XVIIIth century!)Or better!:we should start in the Xth century:the birth of Poland.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Grab a map and you will see Polish (Western Slavic,Eastern Lechitic) tribes from the Odra and Nysa Łużycka rivers to the Bug in the east and from Szczecin and Gdańsk to the Sudetes and the Carpathian mountains.Except for Masuria and Warmia (which were part of the balto-slavic tribe of Prussian's realm).That proves utterly and thoroughly that those lands that Poland now has have always been our ancient provinces;both nationally and historically 

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

I knew it!That's a liar's method!Changing subjects when they have nothing to counter the arguments of your opponents.Czechoslovakia had had an aggreement with poland in 1919 that that part of Silesia should be part of poland but in 1920,when we were in trouble at the gates of Warsaw,defending ourselves and Europe from the Russians (bolsheviks),they treatcherously took it from us.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Okay, so you decided to take it back, conveniently, I might add, at the same time that Hitler took back the Sudetenland?? Look dude, I think this whole territorial dispute leading to war is foolish. Why? Because y'all should of been allies in fighting the Bolsheviks, that's why. And ironically when the Soviets marched in, half of Germany, and all of Poland and Czechoslovakia among others lost their independence and became puppet states to a communist (cont)

[suryavajra]

@suryavajra

totalitarian state to the East.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

By I do not expect cretins like you to ever admit its existence.What would you do if,say,London had had a majority German population under German occupation and when Germans got what they deserved,they declined to give it back along with the mouth of the Thames to Britain?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

The same!Demand its return!People like you are intoxicated by Germanness which blinds you and you're not objective;the Germans were falsifying Polish history for 150 years and I see the results to this day.For instance,at Versailles,even the brightest sociologists of Britain rubbed their eyes as if they saw Superman,when they were provided with Prussian maps of Eastern Pomerania which proved Polish majority.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Not at all. Just the fact that my granddad, who was NOT a European was dragged into the War because the British gave a blanket war guarantee to Poland and hence had to come into what was a EUROPEAN conflict.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

But since 1772 till 1918,the Germans were successfull in instilling that lie in all of Western Europe.Beside:that map also showed Polish majority in southern East Prussia (Masuria) and all of Upper Silesia and we had at first been promissed it because that was in accordance with th Allies' definition of nationality:language.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

How?Because that one-thir was not German but under German occupation:they had occupied Kuyavia,Warmia,Great Poland and Eastern Pomerania since the partitions of Poland in 1772,93 and 95 so they only occupied them).They had belonged to Poland before the partitions and were dominated everywhere by Poles.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Why don't you ask the Germans what right do they have to demand 'the return' of the prussian partition if they had never been German/Prussian in the first place?Alsace-Lorraine too,,chleswik of Denmark and Eupen-Malmedy of Belgium.Don't believe those German liars who would like you to believe that history starts always from the time when Germany looked like in the years 1871-1918.The only ones who had the right to demand the RETURN of Gdańsk and

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well I've been doing a little bit of reading, and the city whether you call it Gdanskor whether you call it Danzig had in 1923, a majority German population. I can understand why you'd want what was Western Prussia, as it was majority polish, but Danzig itself was majority German, who had never voted to be a part of Poland.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Those areas were ingabbitted by Polish speakers-Poles.But the Germans were helped by fucking jews and lloyd George who were all woreking for Germany.They insisted on plebiscites very favourable to Germany and we lost them.Especially in Masuria were Poleish national revival started only since about 1900.Anyways:don't tell me about injustice because I can flood you and your Germans with them.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Fuck your majority population bit!It was artificially created only in 1919 in order to make the most favourable definition for the Germans because they were all over Europe.Those areas have always been ancient Polish lands:both nationally and historically and if you don't accept it it's your problem,not mine.You wouldn't be admitted for historical studies at universities because they demand onjectivity.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

I mean with all due respect, the whole history thing cannot be backed up either. Go back even further and you will find that the area belong to someone else! So at what year do you stop and say, this is the era we based our modern borders in??

Look, at a certain point, you've gotta go to the most obvious answer, and ask the people who actually live in the area, which government they want to live under.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

Yes,you've been doing a little reading.And AGAIN ONLY IN GERMAN AND PROGERMAN SOURCES which I told you is your flaw!Look:I have honour and it's beneath it talking with you because you're a liar;plain and simple.You Westerners have been hearing only the German version for such a long time that you're basically their hostages.West Prussia was an artifficial name for polish Gdańsk Pomerania fool.Or maybe you'd like to be hearing, say,ostengland all the time instead of East Anglia?

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Why don't you chillax, and cease and desist with you blanket statements and your wild eyed accusations, hmmm??

I happen to be an American. And fyi, the whole historical thing is flawed. How far back do you go with it?? Instead the borders should of been settled through plebiscite.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

and that it is the Germans that were and still are holding originally Slavic lands in their paws (part between the Odra and Nysa Łużycka and Łaba rivers:)That alone disproves once and for all every German claim.We,the Poles are just in the place where our ancestors created our country over a thousand years ago;where our ancestors 100% dominated untill XVIIIth-XIXth centuries and remained in large parts of theose territories even untill Versailles and are now!

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

and if you had power to redraw the borders, how would you do it?

[WiredDragoon]

Danzig was culturally German since the early 1300s and remained that way through centuries of autonomy granted either under Polish rule or as a member or the Hansa and other organizations. Since the early 1500s the majority of the inhabitants were German speakers. Your "ancient Polish city's" history starts being predominantly Polish in 1945...

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@WiredDragoon

Was Polish,is and will be.Fuck your lies.Fuck your manipulations.Fuck your foul annoying made up 'reasons' for grabbing our city.I have had enough of you.I already explained thoroughly the history of Gdańsk below earlier and I don't have enough nerve capacity to repeat myself or I'll start cursing against Germans.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@WiredDragoon

Why do those fucks the Germans always talks about some one speaking German?It didn't matter back then.No Polish King ever granted German immigrants the privilege to take part of our country fore their own if they ever reach majority status;it's just a made up bunch of wishfull thinking,lies,manipulations,gr­eed,cheauvinism and ill will;it appeared only in 1919 at Versailles.That's it.Don't talk to me because I won't respond any more to morons and/or plain liers.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@WiredDragoon

Its entiure prosperity depended upon Poland and it handled our entire exports,that's why it was our biggest city in the XVIIth century and on of the three ROYAL CITIES OF POLAND.You were just poor immigrants who depended entirely on Polish hospitability and whims.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@WiredDragoon

Gdańsk was a direct part of Poland you fool.It was incorporated in the Xth century and reincorporated in 1466 you fool.Don't make your wishfull thinking.And take your itty bitty hansa and wipe your ass with it because the so called hansa was a foreign organisation and Gdańsk was a Polish city.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

That piece of shit!If I ever see him,I'll tear him apart.And the name of THAT ANCIENT POLISH CITY IS GDAŃSK you manipulating scum!For him history starts at Versailles in 1919;for himhistory does not exist before 1919.It was a very favourable treaty for Germany because the Allies were just about to march into Germany but then,unfortunaltey,armistice and Germany was intact.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Take it easy PolskiNarodowiec. He has his views, you have yours. But Im curious. How is it a favorable treaty when one-third of Germany is carved out and given to neighboring countries and which insists for Germans to foot the bill for an Anglo-French occupation over the Ruhr??

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

other Polish areas under German occupation was Poland because we were the victims of German/Prussian theft in the partitions.The nerve of the Germans!The German thieves hhad stolen our provinces and when they were ordered to give them back they shouted:'thieve!catch the Polish thief!injustice to Germany!'.What insolence!LListen to Poles have to say about history of Gdańsk and Pomerania because when you listen only to the Germans,you're bound to be the victim of their insolent lies.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well let me ask you, what was the deal between Poland and Czechoslovakia?? And how do you in your stance, justify the joining in of the partitioning of Czechoslovakia when Hitler carved out the Sudentendland?? The Polish leadership did not have a problem with partitioning at that moment, did they?

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

@suryavajra

So we had legitimate papers from them in 1919 and they were good for1938.Poland took Cieszyn independently from Germany if you didn't know tha;there was no alliance or meeting with the German nazi regimeAre you implying that we had an agreement with Germany?Slander!Prove it.Show me papers of Polish government talking with the German regime.

[suryavajra]

@PolskiNarodowiecND

Well they did want the Poles in the anti-comintern alliance didn't they?? I mean dude, chill.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

How is that a catastrophy for Germany?I'd say otherwise!It was Germany that didn't return all of Polish territory that it had taken in 1772,1793 and 1795,not the other way round!Germany had occupied large parts of western Poland since those three partitions in the eighteenth century and if they want to learn why WWII started and who had to return who's territory,they should have discussed what happened before WWI,meaning:how did Germany aquire its eastern and western lands.

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

Plus there were Polish majorities in southern East prussia and all of Upper Silesia after Versailles so it was a dob;e lie on the part of Germany and that piece of shit-Buchanan.Gdańsk has always been a core Polish city and Germany only occupied it since the second partition of poland in 1793 so don't lie fucking Buchanan.In the words of an American ambassador (don't remember his name now) after WWi:which was more important:2 million Germans in East Prussia

[PolskiNarodowiecND]

to have a connection with Germany or the right of 25 million Poles (1921) to have ACCESS TO THE SEA?Without it,we,the poles,would have been left on Germany's whims and threats.It was Germany that had polish lands after Versailles,not the otheer way round.We claimed all of upper Silesia and all of East Prussia plus certain border regions in the west which Germany still had of the 1st and 2nd Prussian partitions of poland .What a lying hater of poland and lier that Buchanan is!

[deceiver123m]

very interesting stuff... i dont think buchanan is in the wrong for looking into all sides of this world war of european empires. Countries worldwide suffered because of these wars of intrigue with backstabbers everywhere. Even south america suffered indirectly, it spread into africa, and the chinese/russian/japanese/usa eastern front was of course a whole other issue jumbled into the war.

[sennis12]

Second he never intended to allow Poland as a independent state. In fact he wanted Poland and the Soviet Union to be annexed to German Reich, as living space for the German people to colonize.

[sennis12]

Buchanan is right on some issues. But he is ignoring the fact of how race influenced Hitler's policies. Western and Northern Europeans (Germanic and Celtic peoples) were considered by him as Aryan and the reason he wanted Eastern Europe, was because he saw the Slavs as racially inferior.

[utubehayter]

isn't it brilliant? Danzig of 1930s and Israel of 21st century have a whole lot in common. Do we ever learn anything from history?

[WelfareRobot]

Perhaps you didn't know this, but Israel is yet to start World War III, and so your analogy isn't a particularly good one.

[utubehayter]

Who said a WW3 is not already underway? Besides, ww1 and ww2 were not exactly two seperate wars - but just one war with a 20 year recess. Unfortunately the ww3 started only a couple of years later and is referred to as the cold war - and no it is not over yet.

[deceiver123m]

@WelfareRobot ww3 is a war of propaganda... its a war for your support of the new world order. its a war of starvation worldwide. its a war to annex and ration fresh water all over the world. its a war you are fighting right now.

[fntime]

How so, utubehayter?

[utubehayter]

Georgia vs Russia, Iran vs USA, Iraq, N Korea v S Korea are all creations of ww2. Until these conflicts disappear the war continues. Just because there is no reason to believe that the cold war is over - given that Mr. Putin is no accepting of the missile shield - and Mr. Bush wants it there - what are they arguing over if the conflict is over? Obviously neither thinks it is over!