They then 'masked' the area around the boy's face to remove the elevated contrast. Because video uses something called interlacing, it looks blotchy and makes the motion look awkward.
They could have "de-interlaced" each frame, masked the face, then re-interlaced it back to video, but there was time pressure to get the job finished.
I've had a long email exchange with the guy to did the actual remastering of the Gable film. He told me the boys face in the mirror is not a composite. It is actually there, and you can see it in other versions of the same video on YouTube.
The reason it looks the way it does here is that they changed the overall scene contrast to improve the view of the terrain outside the truck. When they did that, the mirror reflection darkened so the boy's face was not visible. - see comment part 2
You have to remember, this is a digitally remastered version. The rendering of the video created lines in the "teeth" scene near the end, it could of have possibly created that black silhouette you are pointing out. This is just my guess, I know next to nothing about film, but I am very curious about this subject, since I am currently living in Michigan.
Based on your analysis and analysis regarding the teeth at the end, it does seem highly probable that the video was tampered with. Still leaves a lot of questions unanswered though.
I don't feel like its CG, as, if it was, then its so well done that I wouldn't expect they would make such a blunder on this boys face, or the clumsy editing mistake on the chase.
Plus they could have made a much better 'teeth shot' with CG.
No-one claimed this was a real dogman. The only claims have been that its an untampered piece of film that was found at a garage sale.
I do not believe that to be true. Which I find a shame. I'd love to think it was real.
Still, the most magical part is the execution of that beast, and I really don't know exactly how that has been done. however, once 'compositing' is thrown into the equation, then pretty much anything is up for grabs.
A lot of compositing programs have a 'morph' tool, the effects of which you've probably seen if you've watched any movie with CG in it. I could imagine something like that being used on the beast, but I can't say for sure. It seems like it would be a pain to make it blend in; a professional (or several) could probably do it, but it seems like quite a bit of effort. A lot of it probably is edited from different times/sources though, as you said.
good work but this does not prove it fake if any thing it adds to it's validity and give's me the impression some one didn't want the original seen,with that i leave you with three word's.....the...zapruder... film?
Ironically, it is the shot which, I feel most assertively gives the game away. There is no question of it being fake.
As for the reflection, the only way it could be filmed in camera is if you had someone with a 2nd camera at an angle so what you are looking at is someone to the side and not the actual person filming.
It is possible to do, but the angle of the mirror doesn't make that appear likely. Therefore I believe its a composite too.
Compositing onto Film. (Optical compositing) is a very tricky process involving expensive specialised Kit that has only been developed for 35 mm film. This shot has quite clearly been composited. However it also shows an 8mm camera.
I think the purpose of this shot in the movie, as with most of the shots. is to tell the viewer something. This one's purpose is to say 'This is really shot on 8mm Film' (implying everything seen in the film must be real as seen through the lens)
Not as if you need any more proof. Its pretty conclusive, but even if the boy's head wasn't wobbling about and intersecting the camera (which actually looks even worse when slowed down)
The reflection is totally wrong. From that angle, you'd expect to see the road receding into the distance not trees travelling sideways (with a tree that looks suspiciously similar (but not conclusively, like the one passing on this side)
drvr, who did the actual remastering of this film and which company is he affiliated with?
sonotablonde 2 years ago
Part 2:
They then 'masked' the area around the boy's face to remove the elevated contrast. Because video uses something called interlacing, it looks blotchy and makes the motion look awkward.
They could have "de-interlaced" each frame, masked the face, then re-interlaced it back to video, but there was time pressure to get the job finished.
drvrlsswgn 2 years ago
I've had a long email exchange with the guy to did the actual remastering of the Gable film. He told me the boys face in the mirror is not a composite. It is actually there, and you can see it in other versions of the same video on YouTube.
The reason it looks the way it does here is that they changed the overall scene contrast to improve the view of the terrain outside the truck. When they did that, the mirror reflection darkened so the boy's face was not visible. - see comment part 2
drvrlsswgn 2 years ago
You have to remember, this is a digitally remastered version. The rendering of the video created lines in the "teeth" scene near the end, it could of have possibly created that black silhouette you are pointing out. This is just my guess, I know next to nothing about film, but I am very curious about this subject, since I am currently living in Michigan.
NFettig 2 years ago
You are on to something. Nice work.
Based on your analysis and analysis regarding the teeth at the end, it does seem highly probable that the video was tampered with. Still leaves a lot of questions unanswered though.
lnspirer 2 years ago
thanks very much
GurillABLE 2 years ago
Absolutely great work.
FinalScoreProducts 2 years ago
I don't feel like its CG, as, if it was, then its so well done that I wouldn't expect they would make such a blunder on this boys face, or the clumsy editing mistake on the chase.
Plus they could have made a much better 'teeth shot' with CG.
GurillABLE 2 years ago
No-one claimed this was a real dogman. The only claims have been that its an untampered piece of film that was found at a garage sale.
I do not believe that to be true. Which I find a shame. I'd love to think it was real.
Still, the most magical part is the execution of that beast, and I really don't know exactly how that has been done. however, once 'compositing' is thrown into the equation, then pretty much anything is up for grabs.
GurillABLE 2 years ago
A lot of compositing programs have a 'morph' tool, the effects of which you've probably seen if you've watched any movie with CG in it. I could imagine something like that being used on the beast, but I can't say for sure. It seems like it would be a pain to make it blend in; a professional (or several) could probably do it, but it seems like quite a bit of effort. A lot of it probably is edited from different times/sources though, as you said.
linuxpyro 2 years ago
It depends on how you define fake. It shows that its been tampered with but It was described as being untampered, so on that level it IS fake.
And It certainly wasn't tampered with in the 70's on 8mm film, so on that level too its fake.
One has to use ones judgement. My best guess is that they bought some genuine home movie and added some scenes to it and treated it to look similar.
Note. the scratches and film decay look totally different on the snowmobile shots.
GurillABLE 2 years ago
good work but this does not prove it fake if any thing it adds to it's validity and give's me the impression some one didn't want the original seen,with that i leave you with three word's.....the...zapruder... film?
mkcsk8maniac 2 years ago
Ironically, it is the shot which, I feel most assertively gives the game away. There is no question of it being fake.
As for the reflection, the only way it could be filmed in camera is if you had someone with a 2nd camera at an angle so what you are looking at is someone to the side and not the actual person filming.
It is possible to do, but the angle of the mirror doesn't make that appear likely. Therefore I believe its a composite too.
GurillABLE 2 years ago
Compositing onto Film. (Optical compositing) is a very tricky process involving expensive specialised Kit that has only been developed for 35 mm film. This shot has quite clearly been composited. However it also shows an 8mm camera.
I think the purpose of this shot in the movie, as with most of the shots. is to tell the viewer something. This one's purpose is to say 'This is really shot on 8mm Film' (implying everything seen in the film must be real as seen through the lens)
GurillABLE 2 years ago
As a side note, this wing mirror is different to the one featured on the exterior of the Truck (Ford 250 or 100) that appears in both Gable films.
Unlike those, this one does not have a support pole coming from the base.
I suppose this was filmed in a vehicle that wasn't at least 30 years old at the time of filming
GurillABLE 2 years ago
Not as if you need any more proof. Its pretty conclusive, but even if the boy's head wasn't wobbling about and intersecting the camera (which actually looks even worse when slowed down)
The reflection is totally wrong. From that angle, you'd expect to see the road receding into the distance not trees travelling sideways (with a tree that looks suspiciously similar (but not conclusively, like the one passing on this side)
GurillABLE 2 years ago